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Allen Jackson: Public Health & Vaccines | Allen Jackson Now

July 21, 2025 | 22:32

Allen Jackson: Public Health & Vaccines | Allen Jackson Now
Ben Carson joins Allen Jackson to talk about public health, vaccines, women's issues and more.
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Allen Jackson NOW | Allen Jackson: Public Health & Vaccines | Allen Jackson Now | July 21, 2025
  • My guest today.
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  • It's just an amazing interview with doctor ben carson.
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  • He's retired now, but he's a pediatric neurosurgeon.
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  • Extraordinary training, extraordinary medical career.
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  • And when he retired from that, has had the courage
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  • To step into public service, which is
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  • Been a remarkable demonstration i think you're going to enjoy.
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  • We talked about everything from public health
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  • To vaccine things to the women's issues, the roles of women,
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  • Doctor carson's insight and courage,
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  • And is willing to take a place in the public square.
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  • He's currently serving as the vice chair
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  • To the religious liberty
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  • Commission appointed by president trump.
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  • I believe he will inspire you, encourage you,
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  • And remind us that courage is required of every generation
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  • That we cannot afford just to live off
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  • The courage of those who preceded us.
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  • We're going to have to decide that there is right and wrong
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  • And that we will stand up for what's right,
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  • And that that's not about our biological sex or our age.
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  • That's about our determination to do the right thing.
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  • I think you'll enjoy doctor carson
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  • Cuts through a lot of the clutter
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  • And helps us, i think, arrive at a place
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  • That gives us a clear pathway and forward.
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  • Enjoy the conversation.
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  • It's very good to have you back in tennessee.
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  • Well, it's always good to be here with you.
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  • I appreciate your ministry.
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  • Well, it is an honor to to have you back in our church.
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  • You know, for a retired person, you're hard to keep up with.
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  • Well, i'm not really retired, and i've tried to retire
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  • A couple of times.
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  • And it's become clear to me
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  • That retirement is reserved for heaven.
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  • I think you're right.
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  • I think if we're willing, god continues
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  • To give us assignments. absolutely.
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  • So you're not practicing medicine these days?
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  • No, i left, left operating room, 12 years ago now.
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  • 13 years ago now.
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  • And i do miss it.
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  • I miss the sanctity of the operating room.
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  • Because it was when you went in there,
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  • You only had to worry about one person.
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  • And we turn to classical music on and relax.
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  • And it was a wonderful time until you came back out on.
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  • Well, you are the founder
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  • Of the american cornerstone institute.
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  • Can you tell us a little bit about that?
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  • Yeah.
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  • Well, when i retired from,
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  • The first trump administration,
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  • I intended to retire.
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  • I failed the first time and ended up in government.
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  • I said, this time i'm going to get it right. but,
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  • You know, seeing the direction of the country, i realized that
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  • I could have no fun playing golf and cruising around the world,
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  • Watching my country go down the tubes.
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  • Myself
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  • And some other very talented people from had got together
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  • And created the american cornerstone
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  • Institute, which focuses
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  • On the cornerstone principles that made us a great country.
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  • It wasn't a coincidence
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  • That we rose from nowhere to the pinnacle of the world.
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  • It was faith
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  • Which taught us
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  • So much about god's love and how we relate to each other.
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  • To love your neighbor, not to cancer your neighbor.
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  • They have a different god side.
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  • It was liberty,
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  • Real freedom to lead the life that you want to lead.
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  • The stones you didn't interfere with other people,
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  • Community, the sense of being able to work
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  • Together and understanding the concept of the common good.
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  • A phrase that was used by many of founders very frequently.
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  • And life respect for life from the womb to the tomb.
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  • And then, of course, we had a pediatric component
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  • Called little patriots.
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  • But we teach the children those basic principles
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  • And we teach them our history as a country
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  • The good, the bad and the ugly.
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  • But if you're
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  • Honest,
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  • There's a heck of a lot more good than there is bad.
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  • And we also have executive branch for america program,
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  • In which we teach people the fundamentals of government,
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  • Particularly the executive branch and how it works,
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  • Including live interviews from
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  • People like newt gingrich.
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  • Circle could be sanders
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  • Conducts all the interviews.
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  • We have my american story, in which we interview people
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  • Who've come from socialists and communists environments,
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  • And they tell us about what we need to be looking out for
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  • And the dangers that they're seeing already in our society.
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  • So there's a whole plethora of white papers and other things
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  • That will keep you entertained for a long time.
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  • American cornerstone.org.
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  • But as you were listing those principles
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  • That had brought such strength to our nation,
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  • It seems to me that we've been pretty busy for a season now.
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  • Setting them aside
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  • Like common sense things that have outcomes attached to them
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  • That have been really positive.
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  • You're very smart.
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  • How did you explain that?
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  • We would set aside something that's been so beneficial.
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  • I think there is, forces at work,
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  • Forces for good and forces for evil.
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  • And, and i'm assuming you don't mean republican and democrat.
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  • No, not not republican or democrat. but,
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  • You know, we have
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  • Completely illogical things going on,
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  • As we try to as some forces try to indoctrinate our kids
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  • And remove from them
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  • A sense of patriotism,
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  • Take little children who are suggestible
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  • And confuse them about their gender,
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  • About whether there's
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  • Really any difference between males and females,
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  • That it's okay for men to play in women's
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  • Sports and to be in their locker rooms.
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  • It's just crazy stuff like that.
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  • You couple that with
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  • The cultural war
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  • On the traditional nuclear family,
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  • Which is made fun of,
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  • And the fact that we as a society have
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  • Denigrated the whole process of marriage,
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  • People aren't getting married. they're getting married late.
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  • They're not having children.
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  • All of the fundamental building blocks of a strong society.
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  • And, we're starting
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  • To see the consequences of those things.
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  • Do you have
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  • The imagination?
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  • We can reverse it.
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  • Well,
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  • That's a very good question.
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  • Can we reverse it?
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  • Recognizing that the bible says
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  • In the latter times,
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  • This is what's going to happen.
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  • So that doesn't mean that we shouldn't fight against it,
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  • Doesn't mean that we shouldn't do everything that we can,
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  • To help people see the light
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  • And to save as many people as possible.
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  • It seems a little bit to me like we were.
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  • We were laughing a bit about aging
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  • And how there's some humility that it brings to us.
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  • And while we forfeit some
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  • Of the physical strength we have in our youth,
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  • We still have a responsibility to,
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  • Give enough attention to our health
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  • To bring to make us as productive as we can be.
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  • Absolutely. it seems like a similar discussion to me.
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  • We've got some biblical,
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  • Acknowledgment that the things will intensify
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  • As we get to the end of the age,
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  • But we can't capitulate now.
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  • All we have to do is what is right.
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  • All we have to do is what is right.
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  • Well, you said it's so simple.
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  • You said we have to do what's right.
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  • But even the notion that there is a right
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  • Is so highly contested.
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  • If you have so many people saying
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  • Your truth versus my truth versus their truth,
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  • And, you
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  • Know, when there's no solid
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  • Principle,
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  • Which is what god gave us, he gave us
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  • Solid principles.
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  • Everybody becomes their own god.
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  • They make their own rules.
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  • Unfortunately, they don't have ultimate power.
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  • And, in the long run, their rules don't matter.
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  • Hey, man, you know, you flourished
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  • In academia.
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  • You spent many years in training in those environments.
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  • And i think one of the great weaknesses we have to now is,
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  • For the most part, our higher educational systems
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  • Are without god.
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  • You got any suggestions on how we walk that back?
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  • But, you know, it's interesting when you look at,
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  • Some of our premier institutions
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  • Harvard, yale, princeton, columbia.
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  • Yeah.
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  • You know, emory,
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  • They all started out
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  • As religious schools.
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  • But the main purpose being to produce ministers,
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  • Men of the cloth.
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  • And they're the ones who've
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  • Strayed the furthest away from it.
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  • And, you know,
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  • I think courage is the key to finding it.
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  • And i've been going on a lot of college campuses lately
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  • With, turning point usa and,
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  • You know, it used to be
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  • The crowds were very small.
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  • And only a few people
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  • Were brave enough to really stick their neck out.
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  • Now, we have very large groups of people coming out,
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  • And they're wearing their mega american flags.
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  • And, they,
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  • Bullish about their patriotism
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  • And their love of god.
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  • And i think it's spectacular.
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  • You look at auburn university, those,
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  • Young people got baptized.
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  • Same thing at ohio state.
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  • And, you know,
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  • I shouldn't say
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  • Anything good about our state because i went to michigan. but,
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  • The spirit got them to.
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  • The cross is sufficient even for ohio state.
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  • Right.
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  • So are you doing those q&a sessions
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  • With charlie on those campuses?
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  • I do some things with charlie on that, but most
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  • Mostly i do it on my own.
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  • That's awesome.
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  • Well, president trump has appointed you.
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  • I believe you're the vice chair
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  • Of the religious liberty commission. yes.
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  • Can you tell us a little bit about what that is all about?
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  • Well, you know, we've noticed that
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  • Religious liberty has been under assault.
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  • You probably remember the case
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  • Of the peaceful protesters in front
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  • Of an abortion clinic
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  • Who were arrested and put in jail.
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  • They weren't impeding anybody's
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  • Access or egress.
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  • They were praying
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  • And singing hymns
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  • And, talking about the love of god
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  • For everyone, including unborn babies.
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  • And then you,
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  • Aware of the situation where the fbi,
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  • Labeled catholic parents who were just interested in
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  • What was being taught in school as potential terrorist,
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  • Even individuals like myself, the southern poverty
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  • Leadership conference labeled me a terrorist.
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  • They got so much pushback that they took it down.
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  • But, you know,
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  • These are legitimate organizations in our society.
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  • And, president trump felt that it was important
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  • For us to examine all the federal agencies
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  • And all the things that are going on in our society
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  • That are antithetical to freedom of religion,
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  • Which is so critical to all of our other freedoms.
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  • You know, it's mentioned in the very first amendment
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  • To the constitution to give a sense of the importance of that.
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  • And if we can't believe what we want to believe,
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  • What was the point of america?
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  • What was the point of america?
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  • Absolutely.
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  • You know what?
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  • We're of close to nothing age.
  • 00:13:18.424 --> 00:13:22.395
  • We grew up in a similar time, and there were some,
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  • Failures in our culture from expressions of racism.
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  • I mean, those widely documented.
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  • But there's abundant evidence that is is glaring.
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  • And some of those weaknesses
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  • Were they didn't prevent opportunities.
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  • I'm concerned for the younger people today.
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  • I think they face challenges
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  • That could be even more debilitating.
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  • Well,
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  • You're always going to have problems with people,
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  • As long as there's a satan around
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  • To stimulate weak minds. but.
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  • There was a time in my life
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  • When there was a lot of racism.
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  • And i remember the first trip i made to tennessee
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  • When i was six years old.
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  • I remember seeing the whites only in color, tommy signs
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  • And, people saying
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  • What that meant and how you need to be careful before
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  • You can return to detroit.
  • 00:14:23.589 --> 00:14:26.993
  • But in detroit, there was another type
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  • Of racism, racism of low expectations,
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  • Which was really just as devastating.
  • 00:14:34.434 --> 00:14:37.103
  • But in that very same lifetime,
  • 00:14:37.103 --> 00:14:41.307
  • You have black admirals and generals and ceos of fortune
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  • 500 companies and heads of foundations
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  • And university presidents.
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  • We've had a black president united nasty.
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  • You know, when you stop and you think about
  • 00:14:52.819 --> 00:14:55.421
  • That kind of change in the society
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  • In that short period of time, it says a lot about america.
  • 00:14:58.291 --> 00:15:02.562
  • It says a lot about the resilience of america.
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  • And, the other thing that's so important
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  • Is that people don't
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  • Become victims.
  • 00:15:14.574 --> 00:15:16.075
  • The best way to become a victim is to believe
  • 00:15:16.075 --> 00:15:18.778
  • You are a victim, and to start acting like a victim,
  • 00:15:18.778 --> 00:15:22.448
  • Which was something that my mother never allowed.
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  • She never became a victim.
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  • She would not let us be victims.
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  • There was never us, such thing as a good excuse.
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  • You just did what you're supposed to do.
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  • You got it accomplished, and you didn't make excuses about it.
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  • And when you adopt that type of an attitude,
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  • There's very little that can stop you.
  • 00:15:45.071 --> 00:15:47.707
  • Well, one of our goals on this podcast is always to leave
  • 00:15:47.707 --> 00:15:50.343
  • The people listening with, response to what we can do.
  • 00:15:50.343 --> 00:15:53.813
  • I think there's reasons for hope,
  • 00:15:53.813 --> 00:15:56.115
  • And i think it requires the it will require the
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  • Involvement of all of us.
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  • So if you could
  • 00:16:00.820 --> 00:16:02.955
  • Put an invitation in front of the people
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  • Listening today so they're not powerless,
  • 00:16:04.490 --> 00:16:06.793
  • They're not caught in some machine
  • 00:16:06.793 --> 00:16:08.828
  • Or some spiritual conflict, we can make a difference.
  • 00:16:08.828 --> 00:16:12.031
  • What would you suggest?
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  • I would say think about
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  • What happened at fort mchenry
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  • In 1814, during the war of 1812.
  • 00:16:19.439 --> 00:16:23.943
  • The british were about to win,
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  • And one of the last places they had to conquer
  • 00:16:27.113 --> 00:16:29.982
  • Was the port of baltimore.
  • 00:16:29.982 --> 00:16:32.952
  • And they had all of their ships there,
  • 00:16:32.952 --> 00:16:35.288
  • And they were going to level the place
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  • If they didn't take that american flag down and submit.
  • 00:16:37.323 --> 00:16:41.661
  • And, they said,
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  • We're not taking this flag down.
  • 00:16:44.363 --> 00:16:47.467
  • And all through
  • 00:16:47.834 --> 00:16:48.734
  • The night, they bombarded the place
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  • And soldiers stood by that flag.
  • 00:16:51.804 --> 00:16:53.840
  • They held up.
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  • They were not going to let some of them die.
  • 00:16:54.874 --> 00:16:58.711
  • But when dawn came,
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  • Flag was still there.
  • 00:17:01.881 --> 00:17:05.284
  • And that's our history.
  • 00:17:05.284 --> 00:17:07.120
  • That's who we are as people.
  • 00:17:07.120 --> 00:17:10.590
  • And it requires courage.
  • 00:17:11.124 --> 00:17:13.993
  • And you can't capitulate
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  • Just because that seems to be what the present trend is.
  • 00:17:16.629 --> 00:17:20.032
  • There's a right, there's a wrong.
  • 00:17:20.766 --> 00:17:22.301
  • Their values, their principles that were essential
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  • To the formation of this country.
  • 00:17:26.539 --> 00:17:29.809
  • And you have to be just as bold
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  • And proclaiming those as detractors.
  • 00:17:31.844 --> 00:17:35.548
  • Who are trying to bury those things.
  • 00:17:36.315 --> 00:17:38.985
  • And remember that you can't be
  • 00:17:38.985 --> 00:17:41.821
  • The land of the free if you're not the home of the brave.
  • 00:17:41.821 --> 00:17:45.625
  • I think that's such an important point.
  • 00:17:46.425 --> 00:17:47.994
  • We can't be less determined than the adversaries of the gospel.
  • 00:17:47.994 --> 00:17:51.097
  • Absolutely.
  • 00:17:51.430 --> 00:17:52.999
  • And they count on us being timid.
  • 00:17:52.999 --> 00:17:57.570
  • And, you know, a lot of people
  • 00:17:58.171 --> 00:17:59.739
  • Don't want to be called a nasty name.
  • 00:17:59.739 --> 00:18:03.009
  • They don't want to be canceled.
  • 00:18:03.009 --> 00:18:05.111
  • They don't want their family to have any potential problems.
  • 00:18:05.111 --> 00:18:09.682
  • So they just shut their mouths.
  • 00:18:09.682 --> 00:18:12.785
  • But what they have to recognize
  • 00:18:13.419 --> 00:18:15.054
  • Is when you open your mouth and you stand boldly,
  • 00:18:15.054 --> 00:18:19.058
  • That gives
  • 00:18:19.358 --> 00:18:20.459
  • Permission for other people to do the same thing.
  • 00:18:20.459 --> 00:18:23.563
  • And courage
  • 00:18:23.896 --> 00:18:26.332
  • Thrives on courage, and it will grow.
  • 00:18:26.332 --> 00:18:29.402
  • And just remember, in the 2020 election,
  • 00:18:30.236 --> 00:18:34.340
  • 20 million evangelicals did not vote.
  • 00:18:35.141 --> 00:18:38.711
  • We reverse that trend in 2024.
  • 00:18:39.312 --> 00:18:42.949
  • What does that mean?
  • 00:18:43.416 --> 00:18:45.451
  • That means people of faith in this country
  • 00:18:45.451 --> 00:18:49.188
  • Have the ability to control the agenda,
  • 00:18:49.188 --> 00:18:52.892
  • But they can't keep receding back into the shadows
  • 00:18:52.892 --> 00:18:55.928
  • And expecting somebody else to do.
  • 00:18:55.928 --> 00:19:04.007
  • And expecting somebody else to do.
  • 00:19:04.007 --> 00:19:08.909
  • Well, you you described,
  • 00:19:09.443 --> 00:19:12.279
  • Francis scott keys experience with baltimore
  • 00:19:12.279 --> 00:19:14.815
  • That's described in a great deal more detail in your book,
  • 00:19:14.815 --> 00:19:18.051
  • The perilous fight.
  • 00:19:18.051 --> 00:19:19.419
  • Which, of course, comes from the star spangled banner.
  • 00:19:19.419 --> 00:19:21.855
  • Absolutely.
  • 00:19:21.855 --> 00:19:23.123
  • It's a very encouraging book.
  • 00:19:23.123 --> 00:19:25.659
  • If you are a bit overwhelmed with culture and the battle
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  • And all the things, i would recommend this.
  • 00:19:28.862 --> 00:19:31.732
  • It will bring a note of hope.
  • 00:19:31.732 --> 00:19:33.000
  • I assume they can get it wherever books are sold.
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  • Think they can get it?
  • 00:19:35.836 --> 00:19:36.970
  • Or you can get it from amazon or any of those places.
  • 00:19:36.970 --> 00:19:41.074
  • Bezos needs our contribution to get a bigger god.
  • 00:19:41.074 --> 00:19:44.211
  • That's.
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  • The doctor.
  • 00:19:47.180 --> 00:19:47.881
  • Carson, you are an inspiration.
  • 00:19:47.881 --> 00:19:49.950
  • I'm very grateful for your courage
  • 00:19:49.950 --> 00:19:53.387
  • And your determined voice.
  • 00:19:53.387 --> 00:19:54.621
  • And you do it in a way
  • 00:19:54.621 --> 00:19:57.024
  • That shows us that strength can be expressed with a gentleness.
  • 00:19:57.024 --> 00:20:00.360
  • And i'm very appreciative of that office.
  • 00:20:00.360 --> 00:20:03.130
  • I'm appreciative of the fact that you have not capitulated,
  • 00:20:03.130 --> 00:20:08.135
  • To the social gospel,
  • 00:20:08.635 --> 00:20:10.771
  • And you preach from the word of god.
  • 00:20:10.771 --> 00:20:13.573
  • And that's what we need.
  • 00:20:13.573 --> 00:20:15.242
  • We need we all need that kind of strength
  • 00:20:15.242 --> 00:20:19.946
  • To go forward with this fight.
  • 00:20:19.946 --> 00:20:23.517
  • You know, i live with this idea that one day
  • 00:20:23.517 --> 00:20:25.085
  • We're going to see our friends from the pages of scripture,
  • 00:20:25.085 --> 00:20:28.622
  • And they're going to ask us what we did with our journey.
  • 00:20:28.622 --> 00:20:32.693
  • And i don't think the apostle paul would be impressed
  • 00:20:32.693 --> 00:20:35.162
  • That we were champions of tolerance and inclusivity.
  • 00:20:35.162 --> 00:20:38.999
  • So i'm trying to
  • 00:20:39.399 --> 00:20:41.234
  • Prepare for some of those appointments
  • 00:20:41.234 --> 00:20:42.636
  • That most of us are aware of the judgment.
  • 00:20:42.636 --> 00:20:45.105
  • But i think if we were fortunate
  • 00:20:45.105 --> 00:20:46.606
  • Enough to be included in the kingdom,
  • 00:20:46.606 --> 00:20:48.141
  • We're going to share our stories with that great
  • 00:20:48.141 --> 00:20:51.044
  • Cloud of witnesses that have preceded us.
  • 00:20:51.044 --> 00:20:53.146
  • No question about it. i'm looking forward to that.
  • 00:20:53.146 --> 00:20:55.449
  • Me too.
  • 00:20:55.449 --> 00:20:56.950
  • Thank you for being with us again.
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  • I hope you come see us again.
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  • Look forward to. be.
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