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Allen Jackson NOW | Allen Jackson: Religious Liberty | Allen Jackson Now | December 8, 2025

Well, good evening and welcome to nashville.
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I'm alan jackson.
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President trump has a lot of advisers.
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We see them on the news all the time.
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But there's what we don't see publicly.
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Even though the president
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Has relied on him for a very long time.
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He's the successful neurosurgeon, former cabinet
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Secretary and one time presidential candidate,
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And now the chairman of the american cornerstone institute.
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I'm talking about my good friend, doctor ben carson.
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Welcome back to our show, sir.
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Always wonderful to be with you.
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Thank you.
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I'd like to begin by asking how these conversations
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With the president go,
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Because he's asked you to serve on the commission
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On religious liberty, and now he's asked
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For your advice on other issues as well.
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I guess it's hard to say no to the president,
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Even with your busy schedule.
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Well, you know,
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I've always found that,
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Philosophically,
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He and i are peas in a pod.
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Very different personalities.
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But, he's a very easy person to work
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With when you agree, on almost everything.
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But one of the things that we really agree on,
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That kind of surprised me a little bit when i asked them,
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I said, most people your age are sitting on
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The porch in a rocking chair.
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Where are you getting all this energy?
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And he said, from god.
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And that is the best answer
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Because he can get whatever he asked you to do.
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He'll give you the resources and the strength to do it.
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Well, the country first learned about you when you were 33.
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You became
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One of the youngest pediatric neurosurgeons in history.
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You successfully separated conjoined twins.
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Something of a miracle.
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And now the president has you
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On the religious liberty council to help
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Spread the word about religion and faith.
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Can you tell us a bit more about your role there,
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And what the president would like you to do?
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Yes. we've been,
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Interviewing all kinds of people,
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Getting these stories and finding out
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What's actually happening.
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It's pretty shocking.
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Some of the things that are going on in our country.
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A couple of days ago, we were speaking to
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A young person who had been in the military for 17 years,
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Had a spotless record
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And, had decided a couple of years ago
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That he was not going to take the covid vaccine.
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And then they started treating him very differently
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And basically drove him out,
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Shy of his retirement and retirement benefits.
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And we find that that's a story that's happening
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In the military frequently,
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And we have a whole session devoted to that.
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It's pretty amazing
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Some of the things
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That are going on in our schools and our universities,
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The way students are being treated and the subtle attempt,
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Many on the left
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To create our country in their image.
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And, unless these things are brought out into the open
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And the president is exposed to them,
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They will continue.
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And very frequently, you hear these horrendous stories
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And you gasp.
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And then now for the weather tomorrow.
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And that's the end of it.
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We don't want it to be the end of it.
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We want it to be the beginning.
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Because religious freedom is so critical
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To all of our other freedoms.
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And it was the thing that brought
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So many people to our shores hundreds of years ago.
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And if we lose that, then we're on the pathway
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To losing all of our freedoms.
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Amen.
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But you were once the secretary of housing
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And urban development,
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And one of the big issues right now is affordable housing.
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Did you have any programs when you were running hud
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That could be reintroduced in these days?
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Yeah.
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Well, one of the big things that we did was we got rid of
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More than 2000 regulations and several regulations.
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I'm sorry to say that,
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The biden administration brought many of them back,
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And they're in the process of being,
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Reevaluated at this point.
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But we need sustained leadership
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Moving in the right direction.
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There's still remains a plethora
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Of duplicate regulations.
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I mean, that's low hanging fruit.
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If we just got rid
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Of all the duplicative processes that go into building,
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And buying a house,
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That could save us quite a bit of money right there
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And then things
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Need to be removed that prevent us from using technology.
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Earlier this week, i was in chicago,
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And, i was a factory
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Of, lightspeed, which is a new company
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That's using ai for the creation of housing.
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They were in one of their factories watching the robot
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Put up a wall.
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The way they took the two by fours and accurately placed them
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And stapled them in place in a silent form,
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Could put drywall on everything with precision
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And many times faster than a human being could do it.
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They can build a whole house in a matter of one week.
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And, can you imagine the labor costs
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That will be saved with it?
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And, you don't have to worry about robots calling in
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Sick and all kinds of things that happen there.
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Being able to integrate that
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Into our building programs
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Requires the removal of certain regulations,
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That certainly aren't necessarily
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Haven't taken into consideration
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The advances in technology that we have in common.
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So those kinds of things, i think, could reduce the cost
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Enormously, at least 20
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To 30%, probably much more than that.
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And we have an administration now that's willing to look
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At those things.
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And, and to continue to get rid of all the regulations.
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And that will make a big difference.
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And some people say, well, you know, housing has always
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Been expensive.
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It's no more expensive now than it always has been.
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That's not necessarily true.
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I remember the first house i bought.
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I was 33 years old and it cost $126,000.
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That same house now is costing
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$571,000.
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I don't think the salaries, even though they have
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Escalated, have not kept up with the cost.
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And we need to take that into consideration and recognize
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That there's a reason that a lot of the young people
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Are easy prey for socialism.
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We need to start teaching them what that really means
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And and to look at the society that we live in.
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There's there's a lot more, rescue boats
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Coming from havana to miami than there are going
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In the other direction
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And saying anything there, any going in another direction.
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Maybe that means something
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And you don't want to throw that away?
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Absolutely.
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Do you have any idea how much affordable housing
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Has been used to house the 20 million immigrants
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That came here legally and illegally during the biden
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Years? it's been a lot.
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I can't give you a specific
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Number, but it has a tremendous impact
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Upon the cost because there's so many people
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Competing for the few houses that are available.
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And, you know, i believe in being kind
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And and being generous, but you also have to be logical.
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You know, all the people who are screaming
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And saying, we should have open borders
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And anybody can come who wants to come?
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I wonder what they would say if they go home from work today
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And they find a foreign family living in their house
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And saying, well, we didn't have any place else to go.
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And we like your house, so we just think we should be
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Able to move in here.
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No, there are ways specifically
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That things are done and that goes
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For the national scale as well as the individual scale.
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Logic and common sense is logic
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And common sense in all aspects of our lives.
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Well, doctor carson, we need to take a short break,
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But there's a lot more to discuss.
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Could you stay for another segment?
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Absolutely. delighted to.
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Well, if you want to jump in on our conversation,
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You can log on to aj now.com.
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Send me an email.
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We'll be right back.
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We'll be right back.
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We're back now with doctor ben carson.
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Now i want to talk about what you're up against right now,
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What a lot of people are up against.
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There's a lot of horsepower behind the president's
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Goal of making america healthy.
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Even the vice president has been out
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Pushing to reexamine much of what we thought
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That we knew about good health.
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Listen to how j.d. vance put it.
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If you think about how unhealthy the american population
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Has gotten over the past 20 or 30 years,
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You're not going to fix that problem
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Unless you have people at the table
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Who are asking different questions
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Than the ones that were asked 20 years ago.
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Do you have any idea
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Why there's so much resistance to change?
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Well, anything that doesn't make sense,
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That involves our society at large and government
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Usually comes down to money.
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And, you know, it's been a lot cheaper
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To produce things in some ways.
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And unfortunately, they're not necessarily
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The healthiest alternatives.
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We're in the process of revamping the food
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Pyramid, for instance, and taking out so much,
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Pastas and replacing those with whole grains
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And with fruits and vegetables and understanding,
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You know, the original diet that god proposed for
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People as opposed to the fast food diet.
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You know, one interesting thing is our bodies are made
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In such a way as to keep us from eating too much.
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Then there's a portion of the hypothalamus, the ventral meta,
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Meaning the hypothalamus bulimic nucleus,
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Which modestly monitors the amount of glucose in the blood.
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And it can tell
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When satiety has been reached and it cuts off your appetite.
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But when you're eating fast food all the time,
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It doesn't have time to kick in and you can overeat.
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And that's why we see so much obesity,
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In our youngsters, in our population in general.
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Slow down,
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Enjoy the flavors and enjoy the taste and,
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Let your hypothalamus kick in and tell you
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When this stuff eating.
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Just simple things like that.
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We're disseminating that kind of knowledge, but
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But more importantly, for our children,
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Making much stronger
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Recommendations and also,
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To children who are getting aid
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With their breakfast and lunch in school,
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Providing the kinds of nutritious foods
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That they will learn about they might not know about
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Because they don't see them in their own household.
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And that begins to make a difference.
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There are things called blue zones.
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You may have heard of them.
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There's seven of them in the world where people tend
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To live to be 100 years old or more.
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And a lot of it has to do with the diet.
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And we have the knowledge of that now.
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So we just need to be brave enough to use it.
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And what's been really encouraging to me is
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Seeing the way that all the appropriate
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Agencies of the government are coming together.
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You know, the food and drug administration,
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The department of agriculture, hhs and several others
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Getting together on a weekly basis.
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In fact, there's a meeting this afternoon when i finish here,
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To talk about all these issues
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And the work on these programs together.
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And there's been amazingly little resistance.
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And, you know, seeing some of the major
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Food corporations like kellogg,
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A couple months ago come to the table and say,
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You know, we're ready to change the way this is done.
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The way these food dyes and artificial flavors
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And all these things are put into the food.
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And let's talk more about what we've learned about
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Nutrition and health and put it into practice.
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And wal-mart has come to the table willing to make changes.
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This is going to help our society.
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I'm very, anxious to see what we're going
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To be like in ten years from now.
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If we continue this, make america healthy kick.
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Well, another big issue is health care.
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Obamacare is clearly failed.
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The cost of doubled. that tripled.
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And now the democrats want to spend more of the money.
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We don't have
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To continue subsidies that began during the covid years.
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What else is floating the idea of bypassing
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The insurance companies and providing direct
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Help to consumers.
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Do you think that's a solution?
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It's a wonderful idea.
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You know, what do you need for good health care?
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The patient and the doctor.
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Along comes the middleman to facilitate the relationship
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And ends up
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Controlling everything, sucking all the money out.
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And, you know, taking the decision
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Out of the hands of the people who are affected.
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This is a real problem.
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We already have a head start on that issue because
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Of the introduction of health savings accounts,
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In which you have the ability to spend the money
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In your health care account as you see fit.
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Well guess what?
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When it's up to you and there's a limited amount of money,
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You're going to want to know the cost of everything.
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So transparency becomes a big issue.
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And your doctor is not going to order
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Five cat scans just to see what's going on.
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Nor are you going to learn more from cat scans.
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You know, none of that money is being spent.
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And then they making a few modifications in the program,
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Like allowing families to transfer money
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Within their health savings account to each other.
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Like if you needed $500 more for a procedure,
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Your wife could give it to you out of hers. and,
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Guess what?
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It makes every family their own insurance company.
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And now you become very concerned about uncle joe,
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Who smokes three packs of cigarets a day.
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Everybody started having a cigaret talking to him about it.
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That's what we really need to get back to.
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And then when someone dies,
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They can transfer
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Their health savings account to another family member.
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They can pass it on as opposed to going back into a pool.
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Those kinds
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Of things will make an enormous difference in the future.
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Right now, the future of obamacare and government
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Sponsored health care is unsustainable.
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It's just a disaster waiting to happen.
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This way, you have accumulation over the course of time
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As opposed to asking for more and more money.
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And for the people who are indigent,
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You know, the government supplies
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Their health savings account
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That the government pays for it now anyway.
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And we're paying $13,100 per
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Capita per year, at least in this country.
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Give people a health savings account.
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They finally own something, that they learn what it is
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Like to own something and to manage something.
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These are things that transfer
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To other areas of their lives as well.
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So yeah, there's a lot that we can do.
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We just have to start thinking out of the box.
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One last quick question.
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When you were last here in nashville,
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I asked you about how you fit
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All these requests into your plan to slow down.
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And i want to quote you.
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You said,
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I've tried to retire
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A couple of times, and it's become clear
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That retirement is reserved for heaven.
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So what does 2026 look like for you?
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Well, the bible doesn't say anything about retirement,
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But it does say something about wisdom.
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So, i am making much more
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Use of, virtual media
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As opposed to running every place.
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Well, doctor ben carson, it is always a treat to have you on.
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Please stay in touch and enjoy the christmas season.
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I always look forward to being there with you
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And your congregations.
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And thank you for the incredible influence you have.
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I run into people everywhere in the world who talk about you.
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So thank you so much.
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God bless you.
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I'll be back in a moment with some genuine signs of hope.
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I'll be back in a moment with some genuine signs of hope.
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I am very grateful that doctor carson is
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One of the respected voices in the president's inner circle,
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And i'm grateful for the fresh approach
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Being taken by this administration toward
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Better outcomes.
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I have hope for the future
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Because i see evidence that god is moving.
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You know, we're living in a season
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Where it seems like the purposes of god
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Are going viral and populating the headlines.
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We're seeing outcomes that can't be achieved
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Apart from god's involvement,
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Where the name of jesus is honored
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And the kingdom of god is extended,
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Where we have to say only god could have done that.
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You know, there were biblical ideas
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That had been pushed to the sidelines for decades.
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And in recent months, we've seen political leaders
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Being willing to stand up and put forward those ideas.
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Ideas like marriage between a man and a woman,
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Or parental authority over their children
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Or their biological sex is not really confusing.
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You know, churches were willing to do that in too many cases.
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Many for parents were willing to say that denominations weren't
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Willing to stand up for those ideas.
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The church has capitulated in far
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Too many places on fundamental principles of scripture,
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And god has given us leaders who haven't necessarily
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Been exactly church mice.
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If we tell the whole truth.
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You know, during charlie kirk's memorial service,
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It seemed like the entire cabinet
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Of the united states of america
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Stood up and advocated for the gospel of jesus christ.
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You couldn't have planned that or orchestrated that, or paid
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For that. it's inexplicable.
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I don't think there's any way to explain it other than god
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Is moving in the earth, and that is a reason for hope.
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I'll be right back with your emails.
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I'll be right back with your emails.
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Thank you for your emails. they're always a highlight.
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Carol in texas ask how do i join your bible reading plan?
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Well that's pretty simple.
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You just go to alan jackson.com and there's a tab there
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On the website that says grow.
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If you click on that grow tab,
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You can choose then the bible reading plan.
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It'll give you the portions for every day.
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It's a pretty good plan.
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It'll help you keep up.
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Then june from florida ask a question.
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I've heard you say that forgiveness
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Is predicated on repentance.
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Would you please explain what you mean by this?
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I've heard that christians are to forgive
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Regardless of whether the offender is repentant.
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Otherwise, our hearts will be filled
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With bitterness and unforgiveness,
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Which we know does not honor the lord.
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Hearing you say that forgiveness is predicated on repentance
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Seems contradictory to what i've been taught for many years.
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It's an important question we need to clarify.
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John.
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Our forgiveness when we forgive somebody else is a decision.
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We forgive those who have wronged us, offended
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Us, mistreated us irrespective of their choices.
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We forgive them whether they are repentant or not.
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It's a choice we make. it's not a feeling.
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Forgiveness begins in a decision.
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Our ability to be forgiven by god.
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For us to be forgiven, then we have to be willing to repent.
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And that is the place
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Where i think
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Christians often think we can just live through our sin.
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And that's not the best pathway.
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If we will stop and say to the lord,
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I'm sorry, i'll choose a new path.
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Then we receive forgiveness.
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And that's the best way to face the future.
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If we will repent.
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I promise there's more hope than reason for despair.
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I'm alan jackson, and you have a wonderful evening.
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