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July 11, 2025 | 22:7

Nan Gurley joins Allen Jakcson to discuss the State of Israel.

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Allen Jackson NOW | Allen Jackson: State of Israel | Allen Jackson Now | July 11, 2025

Well.
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Good evening.
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I'm alan jackson, and welcome to nashville.
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Have you ever noticed that one of the staples of local
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News is what they called the show closer?
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After all the news, the weather and the sports,
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They'd like to leave you
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With something that's a bit more uplifting.
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The local fire department.
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Rescuing someone's pet cat that got stuck in a tree.
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Or the policeman who pulled the car.
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Accident victim from the burning car.
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The stories make you feel good,
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And we often wonder, could i do that?
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Would i do that?
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Well, we're
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All in a situation like that now, but
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It's on a much greater scale.
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In this case, israel was one short
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Step away from being the victim in the burning car.
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Iran was about to produce nuclear weapons.
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And right after israel, the ayatollah khomeini
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Had his eye on our country.
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In his world.
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Israel was the little satan in the united states,
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It was the great satan.
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But like the bloated egos
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Of some leaders from the past, he made a fundamental mistake.
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He's the satan.
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And now the leadership team
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That he hides behind has been eliminated.
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Ron dermer, israel's minister of strategic affairs, put it
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This way.
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Harmony was the octopus,
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Dermer said, who now lost all his arms, now resembles
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A t-rex famously known for having some very short arms.
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So why did i bring all that up now?
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Well, because israel is on the verge
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Of saving all of us from nuclear weapons.
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They would
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Have not just burned up israel,
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But the united states
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And anyone else who got in the way of the ayatollah.
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But instead of being globally
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Thanked for saving the planet from mass destruction,
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Thousands of people are still treating israel like the enemy.
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The anti-israel sentiment is not just an american problem.
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It's a global problem.
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And it's about time that we all stand up
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And do everything possible to shut it down.
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Well, joining us tonight
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Right here in the studio is a friend of mine.
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She lives here in nashville.
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Nan gurley. welcome.
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Thank you, al.
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And i'm thrilled to be here. well, we're glad you're here.
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If you don't know. and she's an actor.
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She's been involved in the arts in many ways.
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She's a host of her own podcast.
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I'll tell you a bit more about that.
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We're glad you're here.
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Before we comment on the state of israel,
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I want to i want to get into really some.
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It's been more of a theme.
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What you tell our viewers why you're here.
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You spent a great deal of time
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Understanding what went on with the jewish
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People during world war two.
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You had a key role in a story about the dutch resistance. yes.
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The people
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Who risked their lives to save jews from extermination.
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The play was called the hiding place,
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And that's been made into a movie of the same name.
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Maybe you just start by telling our viewers
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What you learned when you dug into
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Understanding the key player in that true life hero story.
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Well, i read the hiding place when i was in my 20s,
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And it had a big impact on me.
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I remember reading it and just being, well, i love history
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Number one, but also as a follower of christ.
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As corrie ten boom was.
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I had to make personal application
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After reading that book because she and her family
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Risked their lives to save jews during the holocaust.
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And i had to think, okay, what what i've done.
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Had i been alive, then what would i do now?
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How much risk, what i take to stay a christ
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Follower when the stakes get really high?
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So back in my 20s and i read the book,
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I had no idea that at this moment in time, in 2019,
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I would be offered the role to play corrie ten boom
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In a new stage adaptation of the of the hiding place. and,
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I remember when i got the call offering me the role
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I immediately said, of course i will.
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And, it took place in houston at 80 players.
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It was written by ash petersen.
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We call in pete petersen. and,
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I remember i got the call,
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And when my husband came home and i was going to have
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To be gone for nine weeks in houston. and,
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I don't like leaving home.
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I'm a real homebody. and,
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I told my husband, wayne, what i'd been offered,
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And he said, you were born to play this.
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You have to do it.
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And then the weight of it began to sink in.
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I thought, wow,
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What an honor to tell this story and play this woman.
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I have to do it justice.
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I have to tell it authentically.
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Plus, i anticipate meeting her one day
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And i will get her review
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Of the performance and i wanted to be true.
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Well, some of our listeners, i'm sure, are not familiar
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With corrie in the hiding place.
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I happen to have heard her speak when i was a much
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Younger person, but she was the daughter of a dutch watchmaker.
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Yes, kasper.
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And they were christians? yes.
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But unlike most of europe,
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When the jews were being rounded
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Up, corrie and her family decided
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To make a hiding place for jews in their home.
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Yes, it was a two foot by eight foot, eight foot room
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Built behind a false wall in corrie's bedroom
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And, they lived above the
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Clock shop in holland, haarlem, holland.
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And, so corrie
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And her father and her sister betsy,
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Decided in 1942 to build this hiding place.
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They were already a part of the dutch resistance.
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The underground.
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And then they decided to build this room and begin
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Housing jews who were fleeing the country.
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Their home was actually like a bus station.
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And corrie would be on the phone all day long,
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And they had a special code.
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They would speak in on the phone and, another member of
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The resistance would call and say,
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I have some watches that need repair code for.
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I've got three people that need to stay
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In your hiding place indefinitely.
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And corrie would say, and when do you need to drop these off?
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And they set up a time
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So these people would come and stay in the ten room home
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Until the next person in the underground
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Had a place for them,
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So they would go from hiding place to hiding place
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Until the underground could get them safely out of the country.
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So she stayed on the phone all day and managed this. and
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You know,
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When you ask yourself, what would i have done at a time
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Like that?
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I like to talk about the fact that the tin booms kept
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Doing what they'd always done all their lives.
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They were hospitable people.
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They had people in their homes
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All the time in their home, all the time sharing meals.
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Now the stakes get really high, and having guests in your home
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Mean you could be arrested, killed,
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Sent to a concentration camp for doing this, they decided
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It was worth the risk to follow christ
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In this way, to risk their lives for strangers.
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And what's so crazy about it, allen, is
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They did not see themselves as victims.
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They didn't say, oh, great, my future has been hijacked
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By the nazis.
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They looked at it as an opportunity.
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They believed in the sovereignty of god.
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They believed they were called for such a time as this.
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My times are in his hand was the bible verse they held on to.
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And they said, this is my calling.
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They looked at this as an opportunity
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To share the love of christ with strangers.
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So it's one of the most inspiring stories
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I've hit in history that i have ever come to know about.
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So i was hugely honored to even
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Get to continue telling it to to my generation.
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Well, i want to dig into a little bit of what we can do
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And not just rehash history.
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Can you stay with us for another segment?
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Oh, i'd love to.
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Okay, we'll be right back in just a moment.
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Okay, we'll be right back in just a moment.
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We're back now with nan gurley,
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Actor, writer, artist, and a friend of our church.
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And you spent years being corrie ten boom on stage.
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And i'm a student of history,
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So her courage and the courage of her family captivates me.
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But, you know,
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Europe was a very different place in world war two.
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There was no homeland for the jewish people.
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So the hatred for the jewish people was expressed
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Freely, and there was no there was really no protection.
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There was no israeli army, there was no israeli government.
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I've heard that expressed from a lot of my israeli friends.
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Today is different.
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I mean, there's the nation of israel.
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They have an army, one of the most accomplished in the world.
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But the hatred of the jewish people hasn't diminished.
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You've done this
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Play hundreds of times.
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What have you learned watching audiences react
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To your portrayal of corrie
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And the attitudes towards the jewish people?
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Well, our experience in performing it was the
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Sensing, the audience leaning forward.
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There's nothing like live performance for an actor.
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It's the best. and,
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I never once in any of the performances
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Heard a phone go off.
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That's rare.
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The audiences were into it.
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Very friendly.
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I think history told.
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Well is better than fiction.
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True stories of courageous people are captivating.
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It's the kind when i have time to read for fun.
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That's what i want to read.
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I want to read stories of people who have faced
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Unbelievable odds and prevailed.
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I think of the verse, we are more than conquerors.
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I love reading books that show me someone who was more
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Than a conqueror for corrie and betsy and caspar
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Being more than a conqueror meant not only
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Loving, not only behaving
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Well with your enemies, but loving your enemies.
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And when korean betsy was sent to ravensbrück.
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Which was a concentration camp.
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Yes, they had the choice.
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I. you know, i think what would i have done?
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What?
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I've gone into the fetal position and just prayed to die
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Because of hating the suffering so much.
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Korean betsy
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Turned prison into a pulpit.
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They looked at it.
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In fact, corrie says in her books,
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I finally understood why we are here.
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We are here to share the gospel
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With people who've never heard it.
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So they not only
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Were a conqueror in that they survived a concentration camp,
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They were more than conquerors in that
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They turned it around and said, not only
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Will i not act like a victim, i'm going to love you
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Like jesus would love you and does love you.
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And i'm going to tell you about him.
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The barracks.
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One of the things i remember was the barracks
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Was so flea infested, yes, that
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The guards wouldn't come into the barracks.
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And rather than complain about it, corrie sister.
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Yeah. had to take that was positive.
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Well, corrie griped when they first went in.
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Identify a lot more with her. added.
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Oh, totally, i do too. betsy said.
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We are to give thanks in all circumstances.
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And corrie said not even god can make me grateful for a flea.
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And then as they
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They began a bible study in barracks 28
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And they began it with great trepidation and fear.
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We're going to get caught.
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Well, as they continue to have the bible study
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And moved to two services, did two a day,
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Corrie understood,
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She said, i get it, i get it.
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I understand why the fleas.
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This is why the guards won't come in here.
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This is why we're free to do it.
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And so she learned from her sister?
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Yes, indeed. to give thanks in all circumstances.
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Well, there's another lesson
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That i've never forgotten from that story.
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Corrie lost her father and her sister in that camp.
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They died in the camps or as a result of the or.
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Casper died ten days after being arrested.
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He was in his 80s,
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But betsie died two weeks before corrie was released.
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Well, one of the guards.
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It was in the camp who had been so brutal.
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Years later, after the war, corrie had survived
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By a clerical error.
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Yeah, you have air quotes around that.
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And she had made a presentation of her story.
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The guard approached her after her presentation? yes.
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Asking for forgiveness? yes.
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Now we live in a country that seems to be ruled by hate.
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We can't seem to forget things that happened 100 years ago.
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Right?
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But that that exchange about forgiveness,
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Can you relate that? because i think it's a powerful.
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Yes. yes. if i can do without crying.
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Corrie had just finished preaching on forgiveness.
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She and her theme was the way forward is through forgiveness.
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We cannot heal as a nation without forgiveness.
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And then this guard.
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And he was the first nazi guard that she ran into
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After being released.
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And he comes up to her, he was in the audience,
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And he comes up to her bowing and beaming and extending
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His hand, you know, for ten moom how lovely
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To hear you speak.
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Isn't it wonderful to know
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That we are forgiven for all our sins?
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He was a bit cavalier about it.
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Pompous? yes.
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And he extends his hand,
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And corrie says
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That she instantly recognized him and could see him
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In her mind.
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He was standing there leering at the shower room
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When they were first being processed, and the
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These women were stripped naked and walking
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Past him into the shower room with this leering
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Man, and corrie remembers betsey's
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Pain filled face walking past this man.
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And she said, nothing in me
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Wanted to forgive him or shake his hand,
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And she quickly prayed and said.
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Lord, help me forgive him.
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She still kept her hand at her side.
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She couldn't do it.
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And then she quickly prayed,
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Give me your forgiveness.
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And then she was enabled and she extends her hand.
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And she said, when she writes about it and told her it,
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She said she actually felt an electrical current
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Go through her shoulder, through her arm and into her hand.
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And she said, i felt an overwhelming love
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For this man.
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From jesus that she could never have manufactured on her own,
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She said she was overcome by love for this man.
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What a powerful us.
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And you know, forgiveness always begins is a decision.
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It's not an emotion.
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She said that no matter the temperature of your heart,
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We're called to forgive.
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I've got more questions.
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Can you stay for one more short segment?
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Oh, i can stay all day.
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We'll be right back.
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We'll be right back.
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Oh! we're back.
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We've got just a couple more minutes with nan.
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Then corey and her family refused to have a theoretical
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Faith. they lived it out under great pressure.
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And i think that's our assignment.
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One of the things i appreciate about you
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Is you're not just someone who's on stage as an actor.
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You're living out your faith. do you have a podcast? yes, sir.
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You're engaging culture with your biblical worldview.
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Tell us a little bit about it, what your topics are.
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How do we find it?
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Okay, it's called women who dare to believe.
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And my best friend bonnie keene and i do this podcast.
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Do you remember the group first call?
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I do okay.
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Bonnie is a founding singer member.
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Okay.
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And she's a worship leader here at church.
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Okay. so bonnie and i have been friends
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Since we were in our 20s.
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We share a passion for the word of god. and,
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So we decided we were going to create a podcast.
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We started this during covid and,
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We've written a bible study to go along with it.
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This podcast is all about looking at women in scripture,
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How they lived out their lives in their culture.
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What do these women have to say to us today?
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Some of them lived well in their culture.
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Some women in scripture did not.
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And so we take a deep look at each of these women
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Per podcast, one at a time.
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And we don't want people to think of the scripture as
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This dusty old book on the shelf that has no relevance today.
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So we look at these women,
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Look at their stories, and make application.
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Like, why did jesus say, remember lot's wife?
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I mean, we know the shortest book in the
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Shortest verse in the bible, this jesus wept.
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The second shortest verse is remember, remember lot's wife.
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Why did jesus say that?
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So we look at the women of
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Scripture and apply to our lives what we can learn from
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The way they live their lives, in their culture.
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Absolutely. and tell me the name of that podcast again.
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Women who dare to believe.
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We have a facebook page, we're on instagram
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And we're on spotify.
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Any streaming platform you can find, women who dare to believe.
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But we need a generation of
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Women who dare to believe than gurley.
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Thank you for coming by today.
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Thank you pastor.
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It's a blessing to know people like you are spreading
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The good word.
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Hope you come back sometime and do this again.
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I'd be delighted.
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Thank you in a moment.
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Your emails. the inbox is full.
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Your emails. the inbox is full.
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You know, there's a phrase that we hear frequently.
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If we don't learn from history, we're doomed to repeat it.
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Well, our visit with nan gurley today
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Reminds us of a season where anti-semitism
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Broke onto the global stage, and the result was horrific.
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I pray we've learned enough that we won't
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Tolerate that in our nation,
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And we won't accept it on the global stage.
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Again, if we do, i believe there will be dire consequences.
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Once again, your emails from texas
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Said if iran falls completely in the next days or hours,
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What could that mean
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For other powers like north korea and russia or even china?
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Do you think they might become actively aggressive as a result?
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Well, ainsley,
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The reason i think it's important
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For those of us who are people of faith
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To be praying
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Is diligently is those who are military
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Leaders or leading in their arena,
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Is anytime
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There's a shift in power structures, there's a vacuum.
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And what steps into that vacuum is not fully clear.
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But i think one concern is that china would imagine
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There's an opportunity to look at taiwan.
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We know they have intent in that direction.
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The prayers of the people of faith
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Will do as much to define the future.
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That's immediately
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Ahead of us as any missile or military activity.
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You're not insignificant. your prayers matter.
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Judy in
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Palmdale, california wrote, pastor,
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You talked about treating foreigners in our country.
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Well, what about an invasion?
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I couldn't find anything that spoke
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Specifically about how to react to that.
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Thank you for unknowingly answering
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So many of my questions. god bless you.
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Well, judy, i think you're referring to
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Some of those biblical mandates
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To treat the foreigners amongst us.
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Well, that's true, it's there.
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And it's typically referring to an individual who happened.
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You find in your community
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That you don't treat them with disdain.
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There's some pretty clear direction about invasions.
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God raised up judges warriors to turn back the invaders.
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They weren't welcomed and celebrated.
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They had to be repudiated and defeated.
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And i think we have to recognize hordes of people,
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Millions of people pouring into our nation illegally.
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It's not a blessing.
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And it doesn't call for compassion.
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It calls for a return to the rule of law.
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And i pray our leaders will be awakened to that reality.
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It's going to take some courage on all of our parts.
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Well, i want to thank you for spending
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A few minutes with us today.
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I'm alan jackson and i pray you have a wonderful evening.
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