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June 11, 2025 | 21:37

Judge Phil Ginn joins Allen Jackson to discuss the state of America.

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Allen Jackson NOW | Allen Jackson: State of the Nation | Allen Jackson Now | June 11, 2025

But i'm excited about today.
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Oh, i've got a guest with us
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That's going to help us get into something
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That's really dominating the headlines.
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But it ought to be dominating the headlines of our hearts.
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Because what we're watching,
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I think, is a very unsettling trend.
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We had an election last november,
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And what the people voted to happen is being, interrupted,
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If not completely hijacked by our legal system.
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And somehow that doesn't feel right to me.
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It's not new.
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This feels more like a
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This feels like another episode
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In the shaking,
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You know, said to you that i thought
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Covid was a shaking initiated by god
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And that there's been a series of tremors.
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And i think another one of those tremors
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Was the october 7th attack by hamas on israel.
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It unveiled to me
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The depth of the anti-semitism that still existed in america.
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Well, this time,
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What's happening with these district court
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Judges, predominantly in trying to impeach president trump,
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Is revealing a belligerence in the american judiciary
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That, honestly, i don't think it's new.
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I think i've overlooked it
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Because when i step back a little bit,
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I think it was here the first time
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President trump was in office.
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I remember the fisa courts signing off on
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Surveillance of the presidential candidate
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And then a sitting president, which in my thinking,
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Or pretty close to unprecedented in american history
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And none of the really i mean,
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Even when they're
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The things that were given to them were false by the fbi
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And all of that dumb stuff came to the top of the discussion
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There never seem to be any repercussions for that.
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Pretty unsettling.
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Then we watched raids on mar-a-lago,
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The former president's home.
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You know, with red lights and fbi and high drama,
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And roger stone in the late at night.
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They're coming to his home.
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It looks like there's a swat team raiding some
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Terrorist installation.
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They just happened to have cnn installed along with them.
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All of that presided over with judiciary approval.
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You know, we had 20 million illegal
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Immigrants flood into our country.
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And i didn't hear any of the district
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Judges, district court judges issuing injunctions
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Against any of the people that were presiding over that.
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There weren't doing anything to stem the flow of that.
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And yet now they're very interested
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In giving legal process to people
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Who came to this country without any formal legal process.
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So this whole thing to me, you know, i'm pretty outspoken.
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I think the church has stumbled badly
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And we are in need of some significant redirection.
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But i think in this season, one of the places
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It's being exposed,
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And i think this latest episode of shaking
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Is really ultimately for our good,
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Because until you recognize the reality of the circumstance,
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We can't get to a healthier place.
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And right now, our legal system is in trouble.
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You know, a good attorney.
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This is this is my opinion.
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And i'm a country preacher in middle tennessee,
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So you can take that for what it's worth.
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But the real goal is ultimately the truth.
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You know, if if we move that as the baseline for our lives
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As a minister, as an attorney who's a doctor,
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As a teacher, i think we plunge into some pretty dark places.
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And i think we've accepted something else is a bottom line
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That you're you should do whatever's best for your client,
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No matter how bad the lie, how gross the deception.
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And i think that is, and that's a horrible precedent
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To have established.
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So i've gotten into deep into the pool.
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I'm not an expert on this stuff,
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But i have a friend at the table who is.
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I want to welcome judge phil. good.
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Thank you, sir, for joining us today.
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Alan. it's my pleasure. always love to be with you.
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Now, you have had, you have a very interesting career.
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You have been a
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You have a distinguished career as an attorney and a judge.
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And you are currently,
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Presiding as the president of the southern
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Evangelical seminary. that's correct.
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Rock hill, south carolina.
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All right, so we'll get to the seminary.
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But i want to get into this legal stuff first and foremost.
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It feels like to me a crisis.
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And i suppose in your world it's a constitutional crisis.
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It is, but it's certainly one that's not new.
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It's been building over, a period of years.
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Island. and it really starts back with,
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A concern about is there an absolute truth?
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That's the first place that it begins to seep in.
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Because if your truth is your truth, and my truth is my truth,
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And there's no truth unless it's god's truth.
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And so i say, we've in our culture, we've a race.
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The guideline, used to be
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That our laws were we're not a theocracy in america.
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Never were intended to be. we're not a christian nation.
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The evidence is clear that we're not if we ever were one.
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We're certainly not now.
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Well, let me let me i want to put a definition in.
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Okay.
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We've never been an exclusively
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Christian nation where it was a litmus test.
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To be a citizen, you had to be a christian.
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That's correct.
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But we are a nation with an overwhelming christian heritage.
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Well, i think fair enough.
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Christianity has certainly been the conscience of the country.
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Okay, i can live with that.
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And and by that i mean it.
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Our our whole
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System of government is based on the morality of christianity.
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And if we've got god's opinion,
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God's ruling his as his mandate for us,
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Then you and i can
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Push our opinions up against that guideline
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And try to determine whether we're right or wrong.
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But if we embrace that guideline,
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Then there's no way that i can find out
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If i'm right or if you're wrong, or vice versa.
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Because we don't have that standard
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And our constitution, obviously, and our founding documents
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Were based on that morality that god gives to us.
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Now, what's occurred is that, over the years,
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As this has has become more and more vague in our
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In our culture, our court system was really originated
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As well to be reactionary and not not actionable.
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And by that i mean, when somebody did something,
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It was referred to the court system to determine
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How that matched back up with our constitution.
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When you start this namby pamby reading of the constitution
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To where it says, oh,
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It can be anything that we want it to be based on the culture
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That's interpreting the constitution at the moment.
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In other words, it's a living, breathing document.
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And i bet you've heard that comment.
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And we've done that with the bible, by the way, to,
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We want to interpret the bible according to the way
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We want it to be rather than the way that it is.
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And this wokeness,
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The left are really taking radical left,
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Certainly taking the bible, taking the constitution and just
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Making it, gobbledygook of whatever
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They want it to be at the moment.
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I don't know whether, one of these things
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That brought it to, focus to me is the, one of the
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Anti-semitic demonstrations the pro hamas in, in
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The unfurled a banner that said by any means necessary.
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So that means if we're if we have an agenda,
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Whoever, whoever that may be, even christianity,
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We ought not to pursue that, that by any means necessary.
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That's wrong.
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That's not what christ taught us. green.
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And my dad used to say, you don't bludgeon people
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In the kingdom of heaven.
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And you certainly, you certainly are at a,
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A real problem and a problem area if you try to do that.
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They won't stay for long.
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That's that's the problem with, with islam, to a great extent.
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They force people into the belief system
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And it's not real.
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But nonetheless, what you're also seeing
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Here is a more, specific thing.
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Yeah.
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It's what's called a universal injunction,
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Alan.
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Okay.
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And legal term, a legal term.
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It's a relatively new one
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Because as a sitting trial judge and i was at the
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Highest trial level in north carolina,
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I'm not been a federal judge, but there's
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Not a lot of difference between federal law.
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Certainly civil. right.
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Our civil law in, and state civil law, for the most part,
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With the exception of,
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Of, louisiana, which is not in our english system,
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But what you find out there is
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I have the ability to enjoin
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Those who are in my courtroom
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In that lawsuit from certain activities.
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Okay. okay.
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So if, if someone is,
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I don't know,
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Stealing property in some way, i can say you got to stop that.
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You can't do it.
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But what this universal injunction is
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That we've seen just now is that one
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Federal district court judge is enjoining the entire nation.
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Which there's a real question as to whether or not
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They have the ability to do that,
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Because they are they're going beyond that.
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The only other way to do that
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Is through what we call a class action lawsuit. right.
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Where were you enjoying
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An entire class together
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And are bringing the entire class together.
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And then you can deal with that class,
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But that that's a very difficult thing to do.
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And and not that has not been done with these cases.
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And it goes back
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To almost like the, the, the i believe it was in dc.
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The judge who, enjoined all of the,
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Immigration, issues and, and the supreme court
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Finally did not rule on that,
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But they just said you don't have jurisdiction.
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So we've got courts that are assuming jurisdiction
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Where they don't have jurisdiction,
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And then they are broadening that jurisdiction
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When they don't have the right to do that. i.
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When they don't have the right to do that. i.
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But when they issue
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Some of these
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Universal injunctions,
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They're not hearing a case from both sides.
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They're not listening to an argument.
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The somebody makes a and they the court shop,
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They look for a judge that they think
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Will be favorably disposed.
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If i'm not saying this right, you stop me. you're right.
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They find a judge
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That they think is favorably disposed to their opinion,
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And then they come and ask that judge
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For a ruling that will stop whatever it is
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They want, stopped, or start whatever they want started.
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But it's not like a trial
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Where there's a hearing and both sides make their case.
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So it's really a it's a circum it's it's circumventing what
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I would consider justice to be.
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And it's a judge implementing law.
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Well, any time a judge enters an injunction against,
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Any activity, whatever it may be, right?
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You actually
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Have to hold a hearing where some evidence is presented
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And you have to to make the determination
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At that point in time, as a judge,
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Before you enjoin whatever activity that is,
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That there will be irreparable damage done
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That will be done immediately
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Before
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You can actually have a full hearing on it
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In north carolina.
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And i'm sure it's that way
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In the federal system, ten days is the max.
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You have to hold a hearing within ten days on these things.
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So those are the things that are that, that are happening.
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But again, in
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In reality, they should be enjoining only
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Those people who are in their court system before them
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At that point in time, in that particular lawsuit.
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But when you broaden it to cover every district
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In the united states.
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Yeah, it's really rampant,
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Misuse of the judiciary,
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To gain that which you would not be able to gain
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Otherwise.
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They're in effect, they're legislating
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Out of the judiciary.
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What about reading?
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Most recently, in the last few days,
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There have been these judges that have been harboring
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Felons or
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People who are here illegally in their courtroom.
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So making them out to back.
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I mean. literally.
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Sneaking them out the back door, and then they're offended
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When law enforcement challenges them on that.
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They're even saying that, you know, the the fbi,
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The whoever law enforcement is is inappropriate.
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It when they're arresting these judges, is it inappropriate?
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Probably in their courtroom, it may be, but they've got
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To come out of their courtroom at some point in time.
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Right.
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It is it goes right back to we're going to create the law
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As we want the law to be created,
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And we're going to use whatever means necessary to ensure
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That our version of that law was followed.
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It's the same. it's called.
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Well, yeah, we have a representative democracy,
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As i indicated, based on the morality of a faith,
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And in more particularly the
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Judeo-christian, particularly the christian faith in america,
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If you remove that morality, you go to a cultural background
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Of, a cultural form of government,
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Which is very similar to what happened in nazi germany.
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And what you have is the culture determines
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Who is right and who's wrong in any given situation.
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Now, the problem
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We've got here in america, too,
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On top of that, allen, is that we're so split.
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There's no common ground anymore
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Between right and left, because they are two
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Diametrically opposed to one another.
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There is there there's really no way to compromise.
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And i've said this before with islamic,
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And i don't mean to offend anybody, but it's the truth.
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It's very hard to negotiate
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With somebody whose sole purpose in life
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Is to eradicate you from the face of the earth
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And and the left.
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That's that's what they want.
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They it's it's okay to assassinate president trump.
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It's okay to assassinate,
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Mr. vance.
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It's okay to assassinate anybody that doesn't
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Agree with you on these things.
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So what's the solution for these rogue judges?
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Well, supreme court.
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Yeah, but.
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And it's sad that that, we are now allowed
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Nine people to determine our morals in the country.
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Which is where we are.
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And the same problem is happening
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With the supreme court.
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Alan, because you've got
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You got x number that were appointed by mr.
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Biden or mr.
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Obama and x number that have been appointed
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By republican judges.
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And you can't trust the republican judges,
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Quote unquote, to do what they're supposed to do
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Because they they've shifting back and forth.
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Because they they've shifting back and forth.
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If you
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Interpret the constitution strictly as you ought to,
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As you ought to do, i'm a constitutionalist, and mr.
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Trump is a constitutionalist.
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I think from that standpoint,
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And certainly, mr.
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Alito and mr.
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Thomas, the justices, they're they're constitutionalists,
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They they look at it from a from a strictly,
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Interpretive standpoint.
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What does the constitution say?
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Whatever it says, that's what we're going to do.
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But then you begin to manipulate it, and it's the old thing.
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And same thing satan did to eve.
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Did god really say that?
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And in turn, they're they're looking into constitutions.
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So what did the constitution really say that.
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Okay. so i hear a couple things.
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You you're, you're making a parallel,
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Excuse me between the attitude towards scripture that we hold
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And principally we hold in the churches,
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And perhaps even more honestly, is held by
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People in
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Ministry where the word of god cease to be authoritative.
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That's right. and it has become,
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Something to be interpreted against the culture
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In which we live.
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That's correct.
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So moral and immoral is no longer a biblical idea.
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It's correct. it's a cultural idiom.
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Marriage is no longer determined by scripture.
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It's a cultural idea, which is if it's i don't know,
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It might be a bit of a stretch to say
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It's the predominant opinion
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In the contemporary evangelical world, but it's pretty close.
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It's getting there. okay.
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And i've said this before and i'll just say it plainly.
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The constitution is to our government
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What the bible ought to be to our faith, right.
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And the reverence with which we look at that and the reverence
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And the strictness with which we interpret it
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And and the just, the,
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The quality we give to it
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Is going to define what kind of people we are
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Based on our government and constitution, and also
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What kind of faith we have based on how we look at the bible.
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What kind of faith we have based on how we look at the bible.
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First, we've got to go to establish
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What we're seeing because it's a confusing time.
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It's somebody sitting in one of those churches
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Where the bible is no longer considered authoritative.
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I have a suggestion. leave. get out.
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I mean,
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And i say that with some significant sadness,
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But i wouldn't sit there and try to reform that
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I would go find a place, because it may be circumstances
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Emerge where you need people of faith around you,
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And that's not it if they don't believe in scripture.
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But the parallel you've given us now is that the constitution,
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The foundational document for our nation, is being widely
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Interpreted no longer as a document that has meaning.
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It's simply a set of suggestions to be interpreted against the
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The contemporary feelings of our legal culture.
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And that's how we got roe v wade.
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The supreme court found something.
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That was it on paper.
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They massaged it. they found a right.
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And in the current supreme
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Court said that was incorrect, which is not really new.
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There's been that tension in our legal system
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From the beginning of our nation.
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So and there's been this tension regarding scripture
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As far back as we have a history of the church.
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So what we're facing
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Isn't something unique to the 21st century.
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It is very much buried in human character.
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But if i hear you correctly, you're advocating
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For a return to the constitution as a as true north.
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That's correct.
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As a compass point that we understand
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Our law based on the permissions that are in the constitution.
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Well, in the church world, i can say go for it.
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Leave your church that doesn't believe
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The bible's authoritative
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And go find a church that does in our nation.
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I can't say leave the united states
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And go find somebody that believes our constitution.
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So we have to initiate change.
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Absolutely.
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And that starts at our local level in our communities
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With who we elected into offices to be judges.
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Is that.
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Oh, absolutely.
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And and it's not only your judges,
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It's your senators, your congressmen, your school
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Board members, all the way down to the to the lowest level.
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But let me say to you also, alan, that
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The culture will not be any better
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Than the faith that's exhibited in our churches.
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Absolutely.
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And and until we get
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Our churches straightened out, for the most part,
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To some extent, you know, what are we looking at?
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I think barna tells us
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51% of our pastors have a biblical worldview.
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No, i don't think it's that high.
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But i'll take it.
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If that's the real number, i'll be celebrated.
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And 6%, 6% of of our folks in in an evangelical church
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On any given sunday morning, 6% have a biblical worldview.
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Allen Jackson: State of the Nation | Allen Jackson Now

June 11, 2025 | 21:37

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