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June 12, 2025 | 22:2

Judge Phil Ginn joins Allen Jackson to discuss the state of America.

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Allen Jackson NOW | Allen Jackson: State of the Nation (Part 2) | Allen Jackson Now | June 12, 2025

I want to welcome judge phil.
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Good. and thank you, sir, for joining us today.
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Alan, it's my pleasure. always love to be with you.
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The foundational document for our nation is being widely
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Interpreted, no longer as a document that has meaning.
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It's simply a set of suggestions to be interpreted
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Against the contemporary feelings of our legal culture.
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And that's how we got roe v wade.
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The supreme court found something.
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That was it on paper. they massaged. it.
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They found a right.
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And then the current supreme court
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Said that was incorrect, which is not really new.
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There's been that tension in our legal system
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From the beginning of our nation.
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So and there's been this tension regarding
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Scripture
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As far back as we have a history of the church.
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What we're facing
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Isn't something unique to the 21st century.
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It is very much buried in human character.
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But if i hear you correctly, you're advocating
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For a return to the constitution as a as true north.
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That's correct. as a compass point.
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We understand
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Our law based on the permissions that are in the constitution.
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Well, in the church world, i can say go for it.
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Leave your church that doesn't believe
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The bible's authoritative and go find a church that does.
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In our nation, i can't say leave the united states
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And go find somebody that believes our constitution.
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So we have to initiate change.
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Absolutely.
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And that starts at our local level in our communities
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With who we elected into offices to be judges.
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Is that.
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Oh, absolutely.
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And and it's not only your judges,
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It's your senators, your congressmen, your school
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Board members, all the way down to the to the lowest level.
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But let me say to you also, alan, that
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The culture will not be any better
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Than the faith that's exhibited in our churches.
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Absolutely.
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And and until we get
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Our churches straightened out, for the most part,
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To some extent, you know, what are we looking at?
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I think barna tells us
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51% of our pastors have a biblical worldview.
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No, i don't think it's that high, but i'll take it.
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If that's the real number, i'll be celebrated.
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And 6%, 6% of of our folks in an evangelical church
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On any given sunday morning,
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6% have a biblical worldview, according to barna.
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And you go back to it.
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And i know this is something that you guys,
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Are really keen on here at world outreach.
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Listen, 6% of the churches have
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A, a an effective discipleship program.
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So as folks come to the faith, they don't learn the faith.
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They don't learn about the faith.
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They don't understand that that that coming to the lord
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And some, call on your life is just the beginning.
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It's not the end.
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It's not just a fire insurance policy.
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It's got to have something underneath it.
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I want to stay here for just a minute,
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Because your legal expertise is really helpful.
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And i'm.
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I don't wanna let you go.
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I was in jerusalem
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One time in the hotel lobby, and this jewish family came up
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And started pinging me with questions
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Because they never they didn't know a christian.
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And before long, another jewish family came up and started
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Asking questions in the first jewish
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Family turned and said, you go find your own.
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We found this one.
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So today i found a judge.
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So i'm.
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Well that's. fine.
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And i'm not standing
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Before you with your robes on so i'm a little more relaxed.
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If i had to give an evaluation for how the church,
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How they undermine the authority
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Of scripture in the church, a very critical component of
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That was the introduction of critical theory
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Into biblical studies, into seminaries, in formal academia.
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It's now
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And now, decades later, they have almost totally eroded
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That biblical foundation in leadership of the church.
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And i suspect there's something similar.
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I know that's called critical
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Legal theory, but it's critical theory
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Introducing into the practice of law.
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It's the same thing.
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Can you tell the people listening a little bit
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What that means in practical terms?
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Well, it goes back to what you even mentioned earlier.
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And it's whatever it takes.
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That's the mentality now,
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That's permeating the, the legal system.
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In other words,
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You make a determination on how you want it to come out
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And you proceed to figure out how to make that reality.
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So you're saying judges do that or attorneys do that?
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Everybody's doing that.
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I you know, it all started with particularly in criminal court.
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Everybody's a victim, you know,
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Even we call it victimology.
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We we've coined a word,
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Whether it's a real word or not, but it's the study of how i.
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How i can become a victim.
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I murder six people, but yet i'm a victim.
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I'm the one that's, really been put up on here.
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And that's critical theory.
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It's it's the equity.
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It's you're you're automatically,
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Somehow superior.
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You've had superior abilities, given, bestowed upon
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You opportunities
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Bestowed upon you simply because you're a color that.
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Well, this this young man in new york
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That allegedly shot the insurance.
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Exactly how much allegedly about.
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There's a whole video, but he's.
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You shot this insurance executive,
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And i mean, there's this whole host of people trying to justify
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Because their insurance got canceled.
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Absolutely.
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Therefore, it's okay to go assassinate
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Some insurance worker.
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I mean, that is teetering on anarchy.
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Absolutely.
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We add our moral approval to that.
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None of us are safe
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Because just somebody that deems your behavior as a threat,
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Then they're justified in doing whatever they want to.
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Well, if we as christians say certain things are sinful,
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Then those folks who want to participate in those things,
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That's free game.
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I mean, where did this come after us?
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And, you know, that's that's the sad part
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About all of this, i think, alan, is that we have
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Degenerated to the point where you're exactly right.
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Anarchy.
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Anarchy is beginning to seep into the system.
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And when that does, autocracy follows
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Because people will ultimately be safe.
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They want to be safe, and they will elect somebody.
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They will put somebody in power, like a hitler
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Who will make promises of safety and security and peace
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And bring with it, kind of sounds like the antichrist
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A little bit.
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More than a little bit,
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Because it's the that's what the spirit is.
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And that's.
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Absolutely, you know, the historical names are far
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Less significant than recognizing the spirits
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That are in. wars lately.
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And the spirit of antichrist will do anything to diminish
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The influence of the scripture
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And the uniqueness of jesus, while at the same time
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Putting people under a very destructive expression
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Of authoritarianism. absolutely.
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I mean, we can look across history
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And see expressions of that.
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Well, very simply, i tell folks,
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The god i know, the god i worship is a god of order.
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Our world is orderly.
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The one that he gave to us is orderly.
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We certainly destroyed it to a certain extent,
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But satan's not.
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Satan is the father of lies.
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He's the father of discontent.
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He's the father of, of disorder.
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And as that has come into the courts,
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You cannot trust the court
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System any longer to have a just result.
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And when the court system itself, when the law becomes
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Lawless, we are on the precipice
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Of destruction.
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Of destruction.
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And the objective is that justice is blind.
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We know there are some episodes where that's not been the case,
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But that has always been the goal.
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But what i hear you describing
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Is they've kind of set that goal aside.
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Well, at best, judges are determining how
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They want the case to come out and finding ways to get there
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Instead of listening to, to all of the evidence
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Going through with the,
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With the entire process and then making a ruling
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Based on the facts and the evidence, and the law
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And the law is is just not held in
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As high reverence as at one time was.
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But i think the evidence and there's a lot of evidence, but,
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You know, trying to help people
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Listening to this, the deterioration of culture
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And the legal culture is like the deterioration of health.
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You get to a tipping point, you get too many of your organs
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Not functioning, and you don't overcome that.
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This graph and we get to a point in our,
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Our legal system in, in our, our culture
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Where if too many of the systems are dysfunctional,
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We don't overcome that.
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We'll lose freedom and liberties irreversibly.
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Well,
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It applies obviously, to all branches of government, alan.
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But i would say to you that the most important,
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The last bastion of protection for us is our legal system.
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Right.
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And if because the legal system is the one
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That's supposed to protect us from the overages
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Or whatever it may be as they come out of congress
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Or the administration.
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So if you if like a child, if the child loses
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The protection of the mother,
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The mother is the last one that protects the child, and
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So that child is at disadvantage if the mother is gone.
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And that's the way it is with the law.
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The law is intended to be
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That bastion of protection for the entire system
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Of government that we enjoy here in america.
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And as that system deteriorates, as it is destroyed,
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Then if there is a crisis which occurs of any kind, then
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We're in we're in deep trouble.
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And and it actually back in,
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Was it 20 when we had the,
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Mostly, peaceful,
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Riots all across the nation?
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We were on the precipice at that point in time.
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And you look at and what and the law failed us.
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It failed us in those circumstances.
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It did.
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But but what happens in those seasons?
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The law failed us.
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But what did it expose?
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Something that had been taking place for a long period of time.
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It did.
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So i tend to think of those
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Things as a gift because it exposes a problem.
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And when we can recognize we have the problem,
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Then we can do something to remediate that.
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And i agree wholeheartedly with you, alan.
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But what i fear is that christians are afraid to,
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Even recognize the problem, much less address it.
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That's what i'm calling on christians to do.
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That's what i want pastors to do.
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I i'm frustrated with pastors who say that
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I don't want to have anything to do with cultural issues.
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I just want to preach the gospel.
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Well, the gospel is dealing with cultural issues.
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Jesus did that when he was here.
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And so i just think it's a cop out to,
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To somehow avoid,
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The difficulties that you get if you do speak out because,
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You know, paul did that and have what happened to him.
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Difficult for moses to fulfill his assignment
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If he hadn't addressed cultural issues.
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Once or twice.
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So, yeah, that's a really perverted gospel.
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God says that
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You've done some things with the white house
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Faith office, or at least in advocating for them.
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Can you tell us a little bit about that?
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Because there is a note of hope in that.
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The one thing that i would say, you can you can criticize mr.
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Trump for a lot of things,
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And he's not done everything correctly.
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Nobody does.
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I'm not i'm not trying to be,
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I call him the the second coming of jesus
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Or anything like that because he's not, he's,
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He's he's a man and he has his faults,
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But he's made it okay to name the name of christ again.
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And i think that is the major thing
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That we're seeing out of this, these faith initiatives
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That are there and there's there's 2
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Or 3 of them within his,
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Within his administration, one is more leaning
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Toward international and one more domestic.
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And, you know,
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They're beginning to speak out
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About the atrocities that are committed against,
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Our brothers and sisters who, who have to worry
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If they name the name of christ, will
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Will they or their children be killed?
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And that's certainly very important.
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I think it was, martin luther king jr.
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He said, you can't make a law
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That causes a man to love me, but you can make a law
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To keep him from hitting me. and that's pretty important.
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And so that's what we're looking for.
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And not only that,
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But there are subtle ways to attack christianity.
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That,
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I think they're dealing with and saying this is not right.
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The irs, can't just go after you.
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Fema now has to actually come and help you,
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Even though you're a christian, you know, kind of thing.
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So those are those are very helpful in that regard.
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But free speech, y'all. just be nice.
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If we gave churches free speech. absolutely.
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And, you know.
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College campuses get tax deductions.
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But, federal. funding.
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To say to you that the true church
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And i'm using the i think you mentioned it
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In, in your sermon, recently, the big city church,
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That is the one weapon
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That satan can't stand against.
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And if that big c church begins to point out
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These issues that are out there and stand firmly in the truth,
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Like the watchman on the wall, then this nation will change.
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And only until they do that will this nation change.
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I agree completely falls church that until the truth.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You're invested in something that gives me
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Some real hope on this front.
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The southern evangelical seminary.
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Tell us a little bit about that.
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You're actually helping train some leadership for the church.
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Well, we are, and,
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Tell folks and i want folks to understand that southern
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Evangelical seminary wants to be the champion of god's church
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In america, and we're intent on doing that.
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We have, for 33 years
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Defended the gospel and defended,
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The, the kingdom of god and, and fundamental christianity.
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Again, i use that word advisedly.
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We do that because we believe
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The scriptures are the scriptures.
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We have a very high view of scripture.
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Doctor geisler was,
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Helped draft the chicago statement on inerrancy
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And fought for inerrancy
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And infallibility of scripture all of his life.
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And it is a he'll that will down at this.
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And it is a he'll that will down at this.
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But we always want
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The outcome of these discussions to be about what we can do
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And what i, i think if i had to put
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A summary statement around what we've talked about,
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It's the health and the vitality of the church
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Will make our legal system healthier.
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Absolutely make our nation healthier.
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But if we want justice back in our courtrooms,
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We've got to bring god's values back into our homes.
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Absolutely.
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So that people listening, we're not powerless.
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It seems like such a small thing
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To bring jesus back to my kitchen table.
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But i think if we bring him back to our kitchen table,
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Then we'll see him show up in the local circuit court.
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We'll see him show up in the in the school system.
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We'll see him show up in our court system.
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We'll see him show up at city hall, and we'll see him,
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Show up all the way up to washington, dc.
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You know, there's a there's an old adage that says
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Some people grow with added responsibility
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In power, and others just swell
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And swelling if left
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Unchecked, can lead to an early demise.
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And so the swelling syndrome is going pretty thick in,
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In washington, dc, in some of our state capitals
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And some of our churches, unfortunately.
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So we need to be back, about the business of,
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Of really being laborers in god's kingdom.
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Well, i want to thank you.
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One of the things i have discovered
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Is it's very difficult to speak the truth into your profession.
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It's uncomfortable for me.
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And it has been i've had to learn to talk about
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The church and its its health, or lack thereof,
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For somebody who works in education to tell the truth
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Because they want to say, well, you know, i'm
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A christian and i'm a good educator.
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If you work in health care, you want to say, well, i'm
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A good physician
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Or i'm a good nurse or and, and all of those things are true.
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But the the larger reality is our systems are struggling
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Because we have so diminished our biblical worldview.
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Absolutely.
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And i'm very grateful for your courage
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To talk about the legal system and the judiciary.
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We're not condemning the infrastructure.
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We need those systems to flourish.
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Absolutely.
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But we've got to have some course correction to do that.
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Well, each one of our branches is essential.
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If one of our branches
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Fails, the other are in great danger.
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And so the strength of our judiciary, though,
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I think, is perhaps the most important,
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Because that's going to be the one who keeps checks
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And balances on on the other, to say
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It's so important for us to bring back that,
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That guideline and our culture that existed
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And it's outset because with without morality,
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Democracy doesn't work.
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And i know people say, well, we're not a democracy,
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We're republic, but a republic is a form of democracy now.
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And so i don't i don't put a lot of, stock in that, but
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We really need to change those things around us.
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If we change our children,
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We change our grandchildren.
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If we change our friends,
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Sooner or later, the same thing is going to happen in reverse.
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That's happened.
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Now that it's been torn down piece
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By piece, we've got to build it back up piece by piece.
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And i think that the current administration is giving us
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That opportunity, that the one thing
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That i'm excited about when i look
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And i look around this nation and i see anecdotal,
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I'll use the word revival on that.
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I hate to use it in in some sense, but it's revival.
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If you look at these anecdotal revivals
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Are occurring on college campuses among generation z.
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And, and that is the generation that we thought
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Was probably lost irreparably.
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And yet now
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We're finding out
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They're the most conservative generation
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That has come through in a long time.
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And out of that generation,
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The ones that are seeking the most are the young males.
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And i think they've been told
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It's okay for a young male to be a christian.
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And i think that i think that they are beginning to say
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There's something more than me out there,
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And i want to know what it is.
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And we as god's church,
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The big c church, need to be letting them know.
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Well, it is it is tremendously refreshing to me
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To hear an attorney and a judge
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Pointing to scripture as a means of bringing healing
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To our nation.
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I thank you for your voice and your efforts and your work.
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It says the.
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But far beyond that, you're
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A voice in the body of christ, and that's not accidental.
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You could be playing a lot more golf
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For fishing a lot more,
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And you've chosen
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To put your time and effort and energy
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Into making a difference for the kingdom of god.
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And if we will all pick up that attitude,
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I promise you there's more reasons for hope than despair.
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It just takes a little determination on our part.
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You know, god sent nehemiah back to jerusalem
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To rebuild the walls around that city,
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One block of stone at a time.
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And i kind of feel like we're
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In one of those rebuilding seasons.
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We get to rebuild some things
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That have brought liberty and freedom to many,
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And if they're going to bring those
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To our children and grandchildren, it's
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Because we're willing to do the work
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To rebuild some of those walls that have been torn down.
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That is a worthwhile assignment.
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Judge, again, i thank you for your efforts and your time.
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You come back to a pleasure. love it.
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I love being here with you.
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I look.
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Allen Jackson: State of the Nation (Part 2) | Allen Jackson Now

June 12, 2025 | 22:2

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