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Allen Jackson NOW | Allen Jackson: When Charlie Interviewed Allen | Allen Jackson Now | September 15, 2025

Hello, everybody.
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How are we doing tonight?
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We have. we have a.
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Please take a seat.
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We have a very special guests tonight,
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So i'm not going to talk for a long.
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Author of this incredible book, angel demons.
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And you.
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It's very important to understand
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There is a invisible
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Spiritual battle happening around us every single day.
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And that spiritual
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Battle manifests in many ways in politics, in the culture.
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And i've gotten to know pastor alan jackson
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Over the last couple of months, especially,
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Been very impressed by his bible teaching.
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In fact, i learned from pastor luke
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That he came to one of pastor tommy's,
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Trainings about 25 years ago,
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Pastor school
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25 years ago, and has been faithfully teaching the word.
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And he said, i learned so much from that seminar in that event.
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Just amazing
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How much dream city impacts the world
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You don't even know about until 25 years later.
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And so this is just a remarkable testament.
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And i'm going to be short here at the beginning,
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Because i also want to make sure we get to the questions,
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Because there are always questions
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That people have
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That we are not able to get to some of just get right to it.
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Join me in welcoming our guest tonight, pastor alan jackson,
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Author of angel demons.
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And you.
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Thank you.
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Guys, guys.
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Thank you.
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Thank you, thank.
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Pastor jackson, welcome to dream city church.
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It is an honor to be here, charlie.
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Thank you.
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What an amazing legacy.
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This place and what you the impact you have made
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And you are making. i love that.
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So. so, pastor. introduce yourself.
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We could tell you're kind of from the south,
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So people are already trying to decipher that.
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How south are we talking here?
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Not quite louisiana, right?
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No, i'm in nashville. so
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It's an authentic hillbilly you hear in my voice.
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So i studied at gordon conwell for a while in boston
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That my nickname was gomer.
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So yeah, i've got a little bit of an accent.
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So you run a church, i.
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Do, i serve a congregation is world
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Outreach church is actually in murfreesboro, tennessee.
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Come on.
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It's,
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I have been there for two years.
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I was seven years old when i came.
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You can do the math. okay.
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So i was a prodigy.
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No, the lord's been very good.
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We started with a tent.
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My parents had a bible study in their home for a dozen years.
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It's a bit of a my my mom, we were
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We went to church every week, and we weren't christian.
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You know, you can do that.
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Then when i was seven, the doctors told my mom she had
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Six months to live.
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And, the
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Pastor that came to visit didn't believe in heaven or hell.
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The problems in our churches today
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Are not new, folks. this has been
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We've been building this for a long, long time.
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And enroute to mayo clinic for some really dramatic surgery.
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She said a prayer that if there was a god,
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She could know the truth before she died,
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So she could leave that as a legacy for her sons.
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I have two brothers
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And after a four day work up at mayo clinic,
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A doctor came in and said, you had cancer. you have.
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We have pictures, but we can't find it.
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Go home and raise your babies.
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And a few weeks later
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She's washing dishes and she heard a voice.
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And we were methodist and methodist. don't hear voices.
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The voice said you asked to know the truth before you died.
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And she said, yes, i did.
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And you said, i'm the way, the truth and the life.
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And she knew it was somewhere in the bible.
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She went, got a bible to look into.
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She found john 14.
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And so my parents became christians,
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And it changed our whole home.
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And out of that, a bible study and decades later, a church.
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So i understand the church
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That is an extension of faith in a family.
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So there's something about this place
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I think, that feels like home to me.
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So but we're still doing that serving middle tennessee.
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And it's technology has changed.
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Now you can sit in middle tennessee and talk to the world.
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And then we meet people like this
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That have more courage than 99% of the pastors i know.
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And so we said, if there's anything we can do
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To stand with turning point and turning point, faith
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In what charlie lucas and their teams
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Are doing to add momentum to that, that we're in.
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So we're in phoenix for a day.
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Well, thank you.
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And we are honored to partner with you.
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And so
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I want to talk about this book because it is a topic that we at
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Freedom night have really not touched on.
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I think in over about
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A year, year and a half, which is the spiritual battle.
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And there's sometimes there's a lot of,
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Let's just say, conjecture when it comes
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To the spiritual war,
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Where some people think that there's
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A demon under every pillow or an angel around every corner.
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I think it's really important
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To go back to scripture for all answers, but
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Especially when it comes to these complicated topics.
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And when, you know, when i see angel and demons,
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I first think it's a novel, but it's not.
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It wasn't the author of dan brown.
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Didn't he write angel and demons, the da vinci code?
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Yes. am i right about that? yeah. yeah.
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I don't watch that movie. it's terrible. don't.
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This is the much better angels and demons than you.
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Amen.
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And so let's get back to foundational scripture.
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What does the bible, the word of god, say about angels?
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What does it say about demons?
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Are they real?
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Is it is it biblical to say that there is an angelic
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And a demonic realm?
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I think it's not only biblical.
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I think it's essential, you know, and i agree completely.
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We want to come from
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The the what scripture tells us plainly and clearly.
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And i would submit
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You, is the thesis
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That spiritual forces impacted your life today.
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And if you're not aware of that and you're
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Not intentionally engaged with that equation
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And that formula, then you're just being buffeted by whatever.
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And i don't think that's the best way to navigate life.
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I prefer to be more intentional then i like this.
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I want to start with the angels, because i think
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That's more important
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Too often in the church world, or the part
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I've been a part of, we want to focus on demons.
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But jesus life and ministry was impossible.
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Apart from the angelic help and support.
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I mean, it started with zechariah
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And elizabeth,
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With gabriel and the announcement
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To zechariah that there's going to be a child,
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And then mary and joseph without the angel engagement,
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There was no birth narrative to emerge,
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Jesus after his baptism.
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And he's tempted in the wilderness.
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The angels come and ministered to him in gethsemane.
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The angels ministered to him.
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Satan said to jesus that the temptation, you know,
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The angels will keep you from from harming yourself.
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Satan was aware of the angels
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Involvement in jesus life in ministry,
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And you follow it into the book of acts.
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And there is no book of acts with the angelic intervention.
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They're a part of that narrative.
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You know,
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I come from a world where acts chapter two is a big deal,
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And i don't want to diminish that,
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But i also don't want to diminish
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The angelic intervention in that.
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And we've been pretty much pacifist about that.
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You know, if you have a
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Passive attitude towards god, you'll miss the kingdom of god.
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If you say, if god wants me to go to heaven,
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He'll get me there. you'll go to hell with that attitude.
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You have to personally choose to believe and accept
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Jesus into your heart. you have to join a church.
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No church has got a headlock on the whole truth.
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Well, i believe the same is true with spiritual engagement.
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You have to make a decision and begin
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To use your words and your mind the tools god's given you.
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I've developed the habit,
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Particularly since working on this project
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Of everyday beginning, by asking god
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To release the angels for the help for the
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The tasks and assignments i have for the day.
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And it's changing what's happening in my life.
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So i don't think it's a frightening book.
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I think it's a liberating book.
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So in hebrew and in greek, an angel means a messenger.
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And so sometimes people would think of an angel
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As a, a being with wings that will fly around.
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What does scripture tell us about the essence of an angel?
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Is an angel more than just a messenger?
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Because we can
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Go into the book of ezekiel, and we can see that
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The angels have a lot more dimension than just
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Communicating with human beings,
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Separate fact from fiction and scripture from folklore.
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What does scripture say about what an angel actually is?
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Well, there's a lot.
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Angels are warriors in the book of daniel.
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If gonna go to the hebrew old testament.
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You know, there's these pictures of angels bringing messages
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To daniel, telling him he's highly esteemed by god.
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Now, daniel is a eunuch
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Serving his whole life as a slave in a foreign court
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That does not feel like a position of great favor.
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We have to recalibrate.
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You see, we tend to think god blesses us
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If everything's going our way and our lottery ticket won.
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Sometimes you can be living in the midst of the favor of god
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And then paying a steep price for being a truth teller.
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And then paying a steep price for being a truth teller.
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Now, daniel
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Prospered in many ways, but he was falsely accused.
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But the angels are an integral part of that.
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And daniel was so trustworthy that god gives him a revelation
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Of the end of the age, far beyond daniel's life.
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If i could give you an invitation,
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Be such a trustworthy component of what
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God is doing in the earth during your life,
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That he will use you to provide information
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For the generations who follow you.
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It's a different attitude,
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But you get to the book of revelation
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And the angels are central players.
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They're they're essential
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In the judgment of god at the conclusion of this age.
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And they're referred to in many ways. there's mighty angels.
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So there's a difference in the strength of angels.
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You wouldn't designate one as mighty
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If they all had the same strength.
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So there's this.
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I believe there's as much differentiation
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Amongst the angels as there are amongst human beings.
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They're created beings, and god seems as if to be anything.
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He's creative.
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So i think there's a great deal
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Of diversity amongst the angels,
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And there are angels that are
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Very engaged in the judgment upon the earth.
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When jesus
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Told the parable of the wheat and the tares, remember that
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He said that
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At the end of the age the the, the oil field was the world,
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And the angels would be the harvesters.
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So it's just it's
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Really against the scripture
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To imagine that we're going to lead our lives without angelic
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Intervention and engagement.
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So that says that we entertain angels
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And we don't recognize them.
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So i don't think they have wings and feathers
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Or smell like cookies.
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If you remember the john travolta movie.
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Not that i watched it,
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But i have friends who did, and they told me about that.
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But i think it's really a it's not the only step, but
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It's a step in to the reality of spiritual things.
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I don't believe you can understand
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What's happening in america today
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If you try to understand
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It only in terms of politics or ideologies.
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There's a spiritual conflict for our nation,
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And it's what makes the church so essential.
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It's what makes a night like this so essential.
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If we think because trump got elected and j.d.
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Vance is the vice president, we can go
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Sit back in our recliners and quote our favorite verses.
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We will forfeit the opportunity that god gave us last november.
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So you said something very operative.
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So there's a temptation then to pray to angels.
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Can you reconcile how we are supposed to deal with angels?
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They are not god.
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They are created beings.
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So they're below our creator.
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But are they above human beings?
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Are they former human beings?
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What does the scripture say about that?
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Especially as we must
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Under all conditions defend monotheism?
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We are not a polytheistic faith.
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We do not believe the angels are divine,
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So help us make sense of that.
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Yeah, it's a very interesting point.
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Human beings or in scripture
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Are set apart from any other aspect of god's creation.
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Were the image bearers.
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We get to that in genesis chapter one
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Through those opening chapters of genesis,
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Give you the big rock ideas for the whole rest of the bible.
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By the time you get to genesis 11, you've been introduced
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To the big ideas of scripture,
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And human beings are set apart from all the rest of creation.
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We're not just the highest rung of the evolutionary ladder.
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In fact, we're told to exercise dominion
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And authority over all creation.
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And in those opening chapters is the fall when we
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Rebel against god and reject all that he's given to us.
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And god announces
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In those early chapters his plan for redemption.
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Well, the angels rebelled.
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A portion of the angels rebelled against god.
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Satan is a fallen angel,
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And there is no redemptive plan for the angels.
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So when we talk about god being a god
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Of infinite grace and mercy, which is a common fallacy,
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I believe in so much of the messaging today,
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There is an end to the mercy and grace of god.
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God's grace and mercy is intended to bring us
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To repentance, not to bring us to greater license.
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And the evidence of that is the angels.
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When the angels rebelled,
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There's no plan for their restoration.
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When human beings rebelled and fell, god put in place
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The incarnation.
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My son will become one of you.
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He didn't become an angel.
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Hebrews talks about this in more detail
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Than probably we want to hear.
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But so, you know, the angels have a different role.
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I don't believe we direct the angels or command the angels,
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But they are busy with god's assignment
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To help us, support us, strengthen us.
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They fed elijah after his victory over jezebel
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And ahab
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In the fire on mount carmel, and he fled to the desert.
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There are these multiple places
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Where the angels have assignments,
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You know, and there's a there's an almost unlimited number.
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We have one scene in, in the book of revelation
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Where there's 100 million angels in one scene.
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Well, if u.s.
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Population is 300 million people is roughly
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Imagine one scene where you could see
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A third of the population of the u.s.
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Obviously, you can't put them in one room.
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It's a drone fly over.
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It's and it's a group that disappears into the horizon.
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So, i mean, there's a significant force of messengers,
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Warriors, agents about the business
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Of god, active in the earth today.
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And i don't believe
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We can live our lives just completely unaware of that.
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So can angels take human form?
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Yeah.
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The scripture seems to suggest that certainly.
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You know, i mean, in many respects,
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We have pre incarnate appearances of christ,
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You know, and the real honest answer
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And i'm really comfortable with this.
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If this bothers you, i'll apologize on the front end.
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There's a lot i don't know.
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I know that's a shock to you because you all thought
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There was nothing i didn't know. but now.
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But there's an i'm at peace with that.
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And i've been reading my bible for a long time.
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I came to pastor school 30 years ago,
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And i'm still very much a learner,
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And i don't think there's any question
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That angels can appear in human form.
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It's why we have to have
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We need an awareness of spiritual things
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That is dramatically different than what
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We've been coached to up to this point.
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We've been coached to up to this point.
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So now to the second component, which is demons.
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And you mentioned this.
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They are fallen angels as described in, i
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Believe, the book of ezekiel, where they rebelled against god.
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And this is predating the creation.
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Is that right?
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It's inferred, if i'm not mistaken.
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So demons are one third of all the angels rebelled.
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Is that right?
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And so if we are to again, i don't want to ever read
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Something.
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It's not in the text, but essentially what is being
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Described was a pretty insane civil war in heaven, a mutiny
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That then god basically dealt with an instability
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Like insubordination of the highest celestial order.
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Is that a fair reading of the text,
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Or am i giving a little bit too much liberty
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Into what the scripture said?
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Well, the information we have is limited, in my opinion.
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I'm not one that likes to extrapolate
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Very far beyond the plain reading of the text,
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And i don't believe the bible
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Really gives us the ultimate origin of demons.
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My opinion, and i'll put this that this way.
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My opinion i don't think demons or the fallen angels.
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There's a there's a, there's an a variety of opinion on that.
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You could disagree with me.
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We could both go to heaven.
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I'm good with that. it's okay.
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I don't think demons behave like angels.
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You know, angels have a place of authority.
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They're a part of a structured thing.
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The demons exist is very clear.
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A prominent idea is certainly not unique to me.
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Is that the demons would represent,
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Perhaps the disembodied spirits of a pre adamic race.
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Something happened before genesis one to.
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That's opinion.
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That's not hard for sure, so i don't.
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But what is
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Very clear in scripture is that jesus believed in demons.
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Mark chapter one, first chapter.
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He's in the synagogue in capernaum,
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And there's a man there who's demonized.
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The the greek is very helpful here.
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He's not demon possessed.
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It says literally, he's demonized.
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He's influenced by a demon.
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We get caught up in these debates about words,
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And he he disrupts the synagogue service.
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Jesus tells the demon to leave the man.
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The demon says, i know who you are.
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Nobody else knows you.
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So that that unclean spirit,
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Which is a really good translation for that word
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Demon, that unclean spirit
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Has more spiritual awareness than the rabbi
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Or any of the senior leaders in that gathering of
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People of faith.
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Jesus renounces the demon, tells us to leave,
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And the man gets to stay in the synagogue.
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Current practice.
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And i mean, i've spent my life in church.
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If somebody disrupts us, we remove the person
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And leave the demons in the people
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Because we have so little comfort
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With the whole notion of an unclean spirit.
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So what we do know is demons torment they.
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They tend to inhabit living things or
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Are torment living things.
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And i don't i don't like to focus on that.
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I much prefer to focus on what the holy spirit is doing
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And the purposes of god, than to spend my time
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Focused on the unclean, the dark.
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But i think any aspect, short answer,
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Any aspect of your carnal nature that you give license to,
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You can get unclean spiritual support for
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If you choose to give yourself the luxury
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Of giving expression to your anger
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And you don't discipline yourself,
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I think you can come to a place
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Where you'll get spiritual support
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That makes it hard for you to control.
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I've sat with hundreds of people who said, you know, i have.
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I know whatever this behavior is, is destroying me,
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But i cannot stop.
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The easy way to tell between a clean
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And an unclean spirit, a holy and an unholy spirit,
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The holy spirit will
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Never dominate you, manipulate you, or control you.
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I've never heard anybody say, you know
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I can't stop being holy.
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I don't want to be holy.
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I can't stop being holy.
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It's overwhelming me.
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But i've shared with hundreds of people
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That describe some self-destructive behavior
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That they feel powerless to stop
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Until they meet the authority of jesus,
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And then they can be free.
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It's not a power encounter.
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It's a truth encounter.
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You don't have to shout and scream.
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You don't have to shout and scream.
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So i got one more
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Like, kind
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Of wonky theological question
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That i think the audience will appreciate.
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And i think it's genesis 3 or 4.
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I think it is three.
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Correct me if i'm wrong, but the scriptures say
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The angels came down and actually bred with mankind.
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Am i wrong in that reading?
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And do you touch on the nephilim in your book?
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And what are we to make of this idea
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That the angels, these celestial beings,
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Procreate with image bearers?
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I think your description
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Is the generally accepted reading of the past, you know.
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And if i'm correct me, i'm.
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No, no, i think i think that is. i mean, if you do.
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I never want to read anything that's not in the text.
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So feel free to correct me.
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For theologians, you'll have 11 opinions. so
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But i think that is
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The generally accepted and i don't disagree with that.
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To me what's intriguing with that
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Is, is the insight it gives us into the character of god.
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He created beings and he gives them freedom.
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Again, it's the difference between a holy,
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The holy spirit, and an unholy spirit.
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Even the angels.
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God gave them freedom.
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And there's this mistaken
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People who stand outside the kingdom of god
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And have not given jesus that preeminent,
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Preeminent place in their life.
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They think he's going to take something away
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From them, diminish their life.
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You'll take away pleasure or joy or happiness or something.
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And it's a perversion of the gospel.
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It's like the perversion of the truth.
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It's so prevalent in our culture right now.
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The exact opposite is true.
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The more you will yield
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To the lordship of jesus, the more freedom, the more joy,
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The more happiness, the more pleasure,
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The more liberty that will come to your life.
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