At a time of political transition in Washington, veteran reporter Doug McKelway sits down with Allen Jackson for a conversation about the passing of President Jimmy Carter and the state of the media. They discuss Carter's legacy, his micromanagement during his presidency, and his impactful post-presidential work. They also delve into the changing media landscape, the suppression of free speech, and the hope for a future where truth and diverse perspectives are valued.
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Allen Jackson NOW | Doug McKelway: Insights on Jimmy Carter's Legacy | Allen Jackson Now | January 3, 2025
- Well, good evening, and welcome to nashville.
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- I'm alan jackson, and tonight
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- We have more of a conversation ready for you than an interview,
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- Because the veteran reporter
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- And anchor doug mcelwee has come to town from florida.
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- Doug, welcome back to tennessee.
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- Good to. see you.
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- You know, we're just a few days away
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- From the inauguration,
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- And we're going to have
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- A change of power once again in washington, dc.
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- I can't help but reflect upon a similar transition
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- Some years ago when president
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- Jimmy carter was leaving after a one term presidency.
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- At that time, the economy was in a bit of disarray.
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- Inflation was at record levels, and we had hostages in iran.
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- Well, the economy's still in a bit of disarray.
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- Inflation is higher than we want it to be.
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- And there are hostages once again in the middle east.
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- This time it is hamas.
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- But it's still iran behind that.
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- You know, as carter was leaving, the hostages were released.
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- They didn't want reagan to get to the white house.
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- And those hostages still be in place.
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- Our prayer,
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- And i hope you'll join me in this,
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- Is that those hostages that have been held for longer
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- Than the ones that were held in tehran
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- Will be released before mr.
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- Trump gets to the white house.
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- If we can do that, we'll all be ready to celebrate
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- On election day or on inauguration day.
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- No matter who you voted for, for the candidate.
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- Well, doug,
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- Let's begin with the passing
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- Of president carter at 100 years of age.
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- When he went into hospice several years ago.
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- You recorded an interview
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- With a reporter who knew him better than
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- Anyone outside of his family.
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- Abc's white house correspondent, sam donaldson.
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- And like most people,
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- You and sam thought that the president
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- Had only a few more weeks to live.
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- He survived cancer once and then lived
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- Several more years before passing.
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- Let's listen to what sam donaldson told you.
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- About what he remembers about jimmy carter.
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- I think you'll be remembered for good things
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- You did as president, and for some mistakes
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- As well as bad luck.
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- But you'll also be remembered for being a person,
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- President or not.
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- But because he'd been president, he had the spotlight
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- Who did
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- So much good for so many people, not just in the united states,
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- But around the world.
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- Jimmy carter, in his post-presidency,
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- Has not been equaled since, i think, and may never be,
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- As a president who then uses his time
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- After leaving office, not just to play golf
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- And not do a few humanitarian things, but to work very hard
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- For world peace, for destroying disease elsewhere.
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- As he has done in africa and other places,
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- For building houses, for habitat humanity with a,
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- You know, a hammer and nails with his wife helping out.
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- That's jimmy carter.
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- Well done.
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- Tell us what you observed about mr. carter.
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- Well, i remember it so well because,
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- It coincided his presidency coincided
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- With my first job in television news in washington.
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- I'd been hunting around for jobs
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- And knocked on a door at the group
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- Westinghouse bureau, and i asked the.
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- I'm looking for an entry level job.
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- And she said, we have none. and i said, oh, i'm sorry.
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- I turned around and a reporter walked in,
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- And with a tripod on her shoulder.
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- And she said, did i hear you say you're looking for a job?
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- I said, yes.
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- Well, she said, if you want to schlep this stuff
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- Around for us, you're hired.
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- That was my first job in television news,
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- And i got to go to the white house on many occasions.
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- During it was the last year of the carter presidency.
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- To the briefing room, where i see people like sam
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- Donaldson sitting in the front row.
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- And i thought initially when sam would fire these questions off
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- One after the other, that this guy's a jerk.
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- He's so impolite.
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- Over the years, i came to realize,
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- No, he's just doing his job.
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- He's got to do that.
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- And i wish more
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- Reporters would have done it during the biden presidency.
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- But, jimmy carter,
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- In some respects during his president was a tragic figure.
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- He did try to micromanage things in the strangest way.
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- And i think while he tried to be every man as president
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- Of the united states,
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- There's a quality to being president,
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- Which, should prevent one from indulging that too much.
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- Every man is nice to a certain extent,
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- But there's a certain
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- Magisterial ness about a presidency
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- That the president should uphold.
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- And i think
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- Jimmy carter would have salvaged a better presidency
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- Had he understood that at an earlier stage.
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- Of course, there were many, many other factors as you said.
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- The iranian hostage situation was just a disaster,
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- An ongoing disaster that plagued his presidency.
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- But what i most remember about his presidency
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- Was the gasoline shortage.
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- And the gasoline crisis was a lot of people are too young
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- To remember today, but to get gas,
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- You had to show up at the gas station
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- On either odd or even days, depending on your
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- What your license plate was.
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- You could go on even days if you had an even numbered
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- License plate
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- And you sat in the line for hours
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- Upon hours on end, waiting for half a tank of gas.
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- It was disastrous.
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- It was the undoing of his presidency.
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- I remember
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- I also, just prior to having gotten that first tv news job,
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- I had been working at,
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- As a consultant to the department of energy
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- During the, the,
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- Carter administration on how to conserve energy
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- And the federal government
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- And jimmy carter's admonition
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- To americans was to wear a sweater.
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- Americans didn't take kindly to that.
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- You know, because to keep your heating
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- Bills down, wear sweater.
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- No, we want to turn our heat up.
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- We're americans, you know,
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- We don't have to put up with that kind of stuff.
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- It was one one series of events after another
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- Which led to his undoing.
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- And and, i was also there in washington
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- For the inauguration of president reagan.
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- And i recall,
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- Not just because of the release of the hostages on that day,
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- But there was a wave of new optimism
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- Which which came across the country.
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- And i sensed it very powerfully.
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- I saw ronald and nancy reagan in an open limousine,
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- Waving to everybody as they went down pennsylvania avenue.
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- I felt very, very strongly
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- This is a new day in the united states of america.
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- And i sensed some of that same kind of optimism right now
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- As we're in this transitory stag
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- What i can
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- Most definitively say about jimmy carter was,
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- That he did so much in his post-presidency
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- That,
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- Just truly in a league of his own
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- In terms of doing good for the community.
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- I think perhaps he was best destined to fulfill that role
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- More than he was as a president of the united states.
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- I agree.
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- I'm told that sam donaldson had a lot of good stories.
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- Let's listen to one more one
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- That i don't think anyone has heard before.
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- It's about how carter is a micromanager.
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- Also wanted to be a sort
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- Of a regular guy. you've alluded to it,
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- But donaldson is going to highlight that.
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- Well, early on he tried to check off who got to
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- Play tennis on the tennis court.
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- Well, the president of the united
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- States has other matters to do.
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- He tried to pump the presidency for the first 2 or 3 weeks.
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- I was amazed when he would go out to dinner with friends.
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- Just a private dinner.
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- He'd have the motorcade stopped for red lights.
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- Well, you're the president of the united states.
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- He didn't have the flags in the car.
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- And finally, his aide said, mr.
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- President, you know you're not the guy next door.
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- We like the guy next door,
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- But we want the president of the united states
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- To be someone better than that.
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- And so you got to act that way.
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- And so his deep pumping hurt him at first.
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- But i think in the long run, it didn't matter.
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- You know, i remember when reagan came to the white house,
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- He restored a different kind of dignity to the white house.
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- You know, there was a leader there,
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- And i think the whole world felt that.
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- I think there's at least a hope that we might see
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- That transition again,
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- Where there's been some confusion
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- In leadership in washington and maybe it'll change.
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- And one thing
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- That sam didn't mention there was that i think
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- I think he would agree with this, that,
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- President carter got bogged down in, the hurt that comes
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- With being president when people criticize you
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- Because he wanted to be understood by every man.
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- I think
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- I think the slings and arrows which come at every president
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- Hurt him more and bogged him down more.
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- He felt resentful that he wasn't well liked.
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- That's not the case with donald trump.
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- He has taken the slings and arrows in ways that no
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- President of the united states has ever done
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- Unfairly in many respects.
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- So his ability to to shrug off this stuff, to be a fighter,
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- To fight, fight, fight, is,
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- I think, as strong as any characteristic
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- In any president we've seen in american history.
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- And i think that that component will serve him
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- Well as the inevitable slings and arrows come his way.
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- I don't think they're done.
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- Let's take a short break right now and we come back.
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- Doug will share his insights on the new media versus
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- The time when he reported facts and truth.
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- We'll be back in a moment.
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- We'll be back in a moment.
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- One. we're
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- Back now with a veteran reporter and anchor, doug mcelroy.
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- Doug, we've talked a bit about the changes
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- In the media that's taking place.
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- I was at a conference recently, and there were tens
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- Of thousands of people there, and they had a whole media row.
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- Noticeably absent to me was what i consider to be
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- The legacy media.
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- And media row was occupied by all these new alternative
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- Forms of media,
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- Many of them who live in places other than broadcast news.
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- You have a long history and legacy.
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- Even your father in the media, in the news.
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- Do you think this change is going to continue
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- Or we see a resurrection of that more legacy source?
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- I think, no resurrection for legacy media is
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- Is in the offing.
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- I, it's it's slowly eroding, slowly dying.
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- And the best evidence i have of that is, my 21 year old son,
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- My youngest son, and everybody his age that i know.
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- It's all on the cell phone.
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- They don't watch television anymore.
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- They don't watch it anymore.
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- And there's this sort of contrary component
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- Of news, consumption, which is interesting to me
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- Because on the legacy media, you see shorter
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- And shorter soundbites, you see shorter stories
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- Because people don't have the attention span anymore.
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- There's too much information out there.
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- But conversely, you see what's really erupting.
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- What's really growing are the long form.
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- The podcasts like joe rogan who's got,
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- What, 30 million listeners for a three hour interview.
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- His interviews last three hours,
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- And young people are tapping into that sort of stuff.
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- So there's there's a bit of a contrarian component to news
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- Consumerism nowadays,
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- Which i don't really understand,
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- And i don't know where it's going,
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- But because
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- Young people get their news from their cell phone,
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- They don't get it from the big screen tv.
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- I think i think the legacy media is dying a slow.
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- It's very slow, and there will be times
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- When it's resurrected a little bit,
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- But the trend line is downward, downward, downward.
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- Yeah.
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- You given me new hope.
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- Maybe the younger people will want longer sermons from me.
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- Oh, there you got anyway below three hours.
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- Some portion of the media has
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- Been publicly admitting that they should have paid
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- More attention to biden's health the past four years.
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- Do you think
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- They truly didn't know and were afraid
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- To report anything bad on biden?
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- Maybe they were going to help trump if they did that,
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- Why would they be silent?
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- It's so hard to decipher.
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- The most logical explanation i can offer is
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- That people want to please the boss.
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- They want the pay raise.
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- They want the more they want the.
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- They want more exposure. they want the better job.
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- They want the main anchor job.
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- When it comes to the tv folks.
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- How do you get that?
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- Well, you do what the boss says in the boss says no.
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- Let's let's avoid that subject matter on on president biden.
- 00:11:53.428 --> 00:11:56.532
- No. well, we'll shorten the soundbite or
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- Or clip it together so he we leave out the m's and
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- The ums and i's and and the long stutters or whatever.
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- So i think people just want to get on board so they do better.
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- They get the bigger paycheck, the better job.
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- The the bigger question, though is who are the people
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- That are running these outfits and what are their interests?
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- They're certainly not making profits like they used to.
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- So they're funded by millionaires and billionaires
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- Or a consortium of wealthy people.
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- And their motivations, i don't know.
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- I haven't delved that much into it.
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- But the bottom line is
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- They are losing viewers or readers, as i've said.
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- And that has to be remedied if they want to stay
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- In business over the long term.
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- So there's got to be some bit of a course correction here.
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- But then again, a course correction will last
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- Only as long as, an effective trump presidency.
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- If world events or natural disasters or pandemics were,
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- Intervened during his presidency
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- And create unpredictable phenomenon
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- Which he cannot handle or does not handle well,
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- The long knives will come out for him for sure.
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- And,
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- So i, you know, the presidency and the media coverage of it
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- Oftentimes depends on events
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- Which the president cannot control.
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- It's not what his agenda is.
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- It's what the world throws at him.
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- So we'll see.
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- Yeah.
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- Well, it seems to me it's also dependent upon free speech.
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- You know, if we have if censorship
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- Were to continue to grow so that we really only have
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- A unity party perspective that's delivered to us,
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- We all suffer from that.
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- So all of us,
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- I think, should be looking for
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- The freedom to express our opinions,
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- Whether we agree with them or not.
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- Am i right in that or.
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- I think you're you're absolutely right.
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- You have to be able to, express your opinion in this country.
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- And it was really threatened, i think, in the biden
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- Administration, we saw this nexus of big tech
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- And big government working together
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- To suppress people's voices. it's unbelievable.
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- I don't think the full story has yet been told,
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- And i'm hoping it is told during the, the trump presidency.
- 00:14:15.837 --> 00:14:20.509
- We can thank elon musk.
- 00:14:21.009 --> 00:14:22.277
- I think his greatest, his greatest benefit
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- To americans and to mankind was his purchase of twitter.
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- Because he we learned just how extensive this,
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- This nexus of, of silencing
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- Voices was by big government and big tech,
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- With artificial intelligence coming down the pike.
- 00:14:41.964 --> 00:14:44.433
- And again, the elon is very much involved in this and,
- 00:14:44.433 --> 00:14:48.136
- You know, and creating an open source
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- Kind of artificial intelligence, there's hope for that.
- 00:14:51.206 --> 00:14:54.509
- But if it's in the wrong hands, we're in deep trouble.
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- The first amendment is fundamental to what
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- The united states is.
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- It's fundamental
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- To what christianity represents is truth, which is the truth.
- 00:15:03.185 --> 00:15:06.455
- We're all we're all in search of truth.
- 00:15:06.455 --> 00:15:09.458
- And you can't find it unless you hear all perspectives
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- And find the guiding road.
- 00:15:12.794 --> 00:15:15.130
- But but i think
- 00:15:15.130 --> 00:15:16.665
- I think what happened during the biden administration
- 00:15:16.665 --> 00:15:18.867
- With the suppression of free speech is, is an outrage.
- 00:15:18.867 --> 00:15:22.571
- Truly an outrage.
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- And and i think it's largely been corrected.
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- Trump is is very sensitive to criticism, as we know.
- 00:15:27.642 --> 00:15:31.513
- And whether he tries to do this from the opposite
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- Political perspective, as biden did from the left.
- 00:15:34.116 --> 00:15:37.185
- I hope trump does not do from the right,
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- But i think
- 00:15:39.354 --> 00:15:40.455
- I think he's aware of the damage it caused to the biden
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- Administration and won't embark down that path.
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- Let me ask one question real quickly.
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- You've
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- You've alluded already
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- To kind of the chaos as a way of opposing trump.
- 00:15:50.265 --> 00:15:53.068
- You got a lot of experience.
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- Do you have any predictions for the new year?
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- Predictions for that.
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- I'm going to put on about ten more pounds.
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- I think.
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- Well, i guess you can have mine too.
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- That that's the prediction.
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- Thanks for coming to visit us, doug.
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- I hope you come back in the new year.
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- Okay. thank you. really appreciate it.
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- In a moment, a word of hope as we start our new year.
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- I'll be right back.
- 00:16:17.292 --> 00:16:22.999
- I'll be right back.
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- President jimmy carter has been honored
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- Around the world
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- For the life that he led and for the person that he was.
- 00:16:28.939 --> 00:16:31.575
- You know, he reminds us of a
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- Perhaps a kinder and gentler time in our own history.
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- My question to you today is, what kind of legacy
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- Are you going to leave behind?
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- Well, i want to encourage you to think about that in terms
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- More than a financial heritage
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- For your children or your grandchildren,
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- But to think of your life in terms of biblical perspectives.
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- One of the ways you can do
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- That is your favorite heroes from the bible.
- 00:16:52.529 --> 00:16:54.565
- You can pick your own.
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- You don't need me to define them to you.
- 00:16:55.466 --> 00:16:57.801
- I would submit to you that we need the wisdom of god's
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- People, illustrated in every generation,
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- In order to face the challenges that we have.
- 00:17:04.441 --> 00:17:07.377
- We can celebrate king david and who he was, or daniel,
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- And how he stood in the face of some rather oppressive regimes.
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- Or esther and her willingness to stand up for the jewish
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- People when anti-semitism seemed to hold all the power.
- 00:17:16.820 --> 00:17:21.058
- But the real issue is that
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- You and i have the courage to take a biblical worldview
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- And live it out in the 21st century.
- 00:17:25.929 --> 00:17:29.032
- That's my prayer for myself, and that's my prayer
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- For you, that we will learn from our heroes
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- And then have the courage to turn our faces to our culture
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- And be people of faith.
- 00:17:37.541 --> 00:17:39.076
- Psalm 71 two, verses 17 and 18 says,
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- Since my youth, god, you have taught me,
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- And to this day i declare your marvelous deeds.
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- Even when i'm old and gray, do not forsake me,
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- My god, till i declare your power to the next
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- Generation, your mighty acts to all who are to come.
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- Perhaps our legacy can be telling
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- Those generations who are coming behind us.
- 00:18:00.564 --> 00:18:02.666
- And that's not about being old.
- 00:18:02.666 --> 00:18:04.434
- Whatever age you are,
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- There are people who look to you for your influence.
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- Let's decide in this year
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- To be men and women who use our voice,
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- Our influence, as advocates for a biblical worldview.
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- I believe if we'll do that,
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- It gives us far more reasons for hope than despair.
- 00:18:17.915 --> 00:18:21.652
- Well, i'll be back with your emails just a moment.
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- Well, i'll be back with your emails just a moment.
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- Thank you for taking the time to send your thoughts with us.
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- Your emails and perspectives.
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- They make a big difference.
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- Surely be wrote with democrats threatening to boycott
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- The swearing in of trump on the 20th of january.
- 00:18:42.573 --> 00:18:45.275
- It seems to me that they are declaring to keep the nation
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- Divided, instead of
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- Being a part of helping to heal our united states.
- 00:18:49.780 --> 00:18:52.950
- Well, surely it seems to me we have seen this drama before.
- 00:18:52.950 --> 00:18:56.453
- When mr.
- 00:18:56.720 --> 00:18:57.521
- Trump was elected the first time,
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- There was a great deal of noise about not
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- Supporting his election, that it wasn't legitimate.
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- If we remember
- 00:19:03.193 --> 00:19:04.261
- What followed, that it was four years of the media
- 00:19:04.261 --> 00:19:07.464
- Stirring up what we now know to be mostly fictitious
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- Chaos, trying to oppose whatever mr.
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- Trump wanted to do by the confusion they could create.
- 00:19:13.737 --> 00:19:17.074
- I think they're not only going to do their best
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- To avoid the inauguration and the swearing in,
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- They're going to do their best to create more chaos.
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- This time, i hope we're better consumers
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- And we will choose the truth and walk through the confusion.
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- Quickly, ronald emailed, the first time i saw
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- And heard you was on kirk cameron's takeaways.
- 00:19:34.091 --> 00:19:36.660
- I knew you were somewhat i could trust with god's truth.
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- So i search my dish program guide to find you what i did.
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- I flagged alan jackson
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- Ministries and alan jackson, now with record series.
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- Well, ronald, i like the way you think
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- And i hope everybody is listening.
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- We'll make those same decisions and record the programs.
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- That way if you miss them,
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- You can still keep up with what's happening.
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- Make sure you send
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- And have a wonderful evening.
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