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  • - Here's some good news,
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  • when God forgives, He forgets.
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  • The Bible says, He keepsno record of our sins.
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  • So let's talk abouthow do to erase guilt
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  • and shame by receivingHis love and forgiveness.
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  • Come on, let's talk about it.
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  • (upbeat music)
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  • - Well, today we're talkingabout receiving forgiveness.
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  • Now, I don't knowif you're like me,
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  • but have you ever been sodisappointed in yourself?
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  • That although, you know,that God has forgiven you
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  • and even the people aroundyou who may have been
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  • disappointed in you,they have forgiven you,
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  • but you've had a hardtime forgiving yourself.
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  • I have, I've experienced that.
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  • And today we're gonna talkabout, what that means
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  • and how we can overcome that.
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  • Well, let me just tell youa little bit about my story.
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  • 33 years ago, Iwas a young mom and
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  • I had a six month oldbaby and he got sick.
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  • And to make a long story short,
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  • I rushed him to the hospitaland he had spinal meningitis,
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  • just a little guy,six months old.
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  • He coded, and theyresuscitated him.
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  • He had spinal meningitis andhe began a terrible journey
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  • of trying to get better.
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  • The doctor saidhe would be blind.
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  • He'd be deaf.
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  • He'd be handicap.
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  • The doctor looked at me andsaid, "pray that he dies."
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  • Well, he didn't die.
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  • And God instead nominatedme to be the mom
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  • of a special need child.
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  • Now, I'd like to tellyou that that story
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  • was something that I volunteered
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  • and I did a good job with.
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  • No, I didn't do a good job.
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  • In fact, I was in traumaand I was freaked out
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  • and not only was I freakedout, I was angry, really angry.
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  • I was so mad at Godfor such a long time.
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  • I look back on my life now,today I'm a grandmother.
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  • I've been married 47 years.
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  • I've raised four sons of my own,
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  • but I look back onit, maybe a decade.
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  • And I can see where my rage
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  • and my anger at Godover circumstances
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  • became a spill over into my life
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  • where I was notonly angry at God.
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  • I was now taking itout on everybody else.
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  • I was taking it out on my kids,
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  • taking it out on my marriage,
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  • taking it out on my family.
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  • And here's what I've learned.
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  • I've learned that hurtpeople, hurt people.
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  • I was hurting and Iwas hurting others.
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  • Now, you know what happened?
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  • My family was generous and kind
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  • and they showed tome what Jesus was.
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  • My parents, they supportedme, they loved me.
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  • My church put theirarms around me.
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  • And they understood thata broken hearted mom
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  • who didn't expectto have to rise up
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  • and be the mom thatshe needed to be.
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  • I didn't expect that Iwas gonna have to do this
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  • and that God would give methe power and the energy.
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  • And He did do all those things.
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  • But as time went on,
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  • I realized that I neededto ask God to forgive me.
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  • And then, I neededto forgive myself
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  • - Mmh.
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  • - for letting downthe people around me.
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  • - Mmh.
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  • - Here's what I've cometo discover, is that,
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  • until I was ready to confessthat I had disappointed God
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  • and that I had disappointedthe people around me,
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  • I wasn't in a position thatI was able to move forward.
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  • Now here's the part thatI'm sharing with the world.
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  • This all happened whileI was a Christian.
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  • I was a Christian whenthe baby got sick.
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  • I was a Christian whileI was trying to cope
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  • with the chaos of becomingthe mom to these kids.
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  • I was a Christian in thechaos of the disappointment.
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  • And then, I wasstill a Christian
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  • while I couldn't receiveGod's forgiveness.
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  • You see, being a Christiandoesn't mean we're perfect.
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  • Being a Christianmeans we're in a place
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  • where we can receive God's love.
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  • And we can begin toreceive forgiveness,
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  • receiving forgiveness.
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  • Laurie, how can we makethe change in our lives
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  • where we can start toreceive forgiveness
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  • so we can move forward?
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  • - Yeah, Robyn, I thinkyou're so hard on yourself.
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  • You've been amazing.
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  • And you have walked thatroad so beautifully.
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  • You've been an exampleto me, all of my life.
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  • I can't remember whenI didn't know you.
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  • And I love you for how
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  • you have raised everysingle one of your boys.
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  • And I think,- That's so nice.
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  • when you startlooking, I love you.
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  • When you start lookingat the cross of Christ,
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  • that He loved us somuch to forgive us,
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  • that He hated sin sobadly that He died for it.
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  • I think it's justasking the Lord
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  • to start healingyou on the inside.
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  • Because again, you said,hurt people, hurt people,
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  • and I think we can becomeso embittered on the inside.
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  • Well, if you let thatcreep in, in one area,
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  • it's gonna start leakingthrough to every area.
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  • And pretty soon you're gonnafind without time flies,
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  • you're just a bitter old person.
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  • And we have tocome to grips with
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  • what Jesus did forus on the cross.
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  • He took away all the excuses.
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  • He took away all the shame.
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  • He says, "He was woundedfor our transgressions
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  • "and He was bruisedfor our iniquity."
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  • You know, that meansthat everything
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  • that we have done frombeginning of our life,
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  • to the end of our life,He saw across time
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  • and He died for us.
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  • And so I think it's, Sheila.
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  • I think it's lookingback at the cross
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  • and knowing how Jesushated sin so much
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  • and shame and guilt thathe actually shed His blood
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  • for us with that.
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  • How do you see that?
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  • - Yeah. that's beautiful, Laurie
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  • and Robyn thanks sharing that.
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  • I mean, it's hard toshare a story like that.
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  • God shows up and redeems thebroken places of our lives.
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  • And I believe witheverything in me
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  • that it's a beautiful thing
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  • that God will dowith our brokenness
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  • when we give Him all the pieces
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  • and that's wherethe light gets in,
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  • that's when He shines His light.
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  • But one of the thingsI get asked more often
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  • than almost anything elsewhen I'm out speaking
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  • or even just on myFacebook page is,
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  • somebody saying likeI had an abortion
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  • and I can't forgive myself.
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  • I did this or I had an affairand I can't forgive myself.
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  • I had a young ladywrote to me last night
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  • and she said, "I had anaffair and I'm now pregnant.
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  • "And I still haven'ttold my husband,
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  • "how can I forgive myself?"
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  • And it's interestingin the last year,
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  • for whatever reason,the Holy Spirit has had
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  • the subject offorgiveness on my heart.
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  • And so studying, likefrom Genesis to the maps,
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  • there is nothing,there's not one verse
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  • that supports the fact
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  • that we're supposedto forgive ourselves.
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  • There's two kinds offorgiveness is vertical
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  • where God forgivesand horizontal, wherewe forgive others.
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  • But to me, it's aboutreceiving forgiveness.
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  • If we walk around thinking,I have to forgive myself,
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  • we're gonna struggle.
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  • And even if you thinkabout King David,
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  • when he slept with a womanwho was another man's
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  • one of his best friend's wives
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  • and then arranged for that man
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  • to be put in thefrontline of a battle,
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  • so as he lost his life,
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  • When he is confrontedwith that sin
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  • from Nathan, the prophet,
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  • and we have likePsalm 34 and Psalm 51,
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  • And Psalms 51,David says something
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  • that initially threw me.
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  • He said, "Against you, andyou only have I sinned."
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  • And part of me was like, well,
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  • hang on there a minute, David,you wounded a lot of people,
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  • but I think what he was saying,
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  • is that the greatestoffense is against God
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  • because God createdBathsheba, God created Uriah.
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  • David had sinned against them.
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  • And so for anybodywho is struggling toforgive themselves,
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  • to me, it's not you withyour face in your Bible,
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  • trying to forgive yourself,
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  • it's you with yourarms open receiving
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  • the forgiveness of God.
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  • Now in that verse, "Heremembers our sin no more."
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  • And then another passagesays, "He removes as far as
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  • "the East is from the West."
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  • It's gone.
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  • So when we keepbringing it up again,
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  • it's already under theblood of Jesus Christ.
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  • - Amen.
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  • And no matter what we'vedone, we categorize sin.
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  • We tend to think, well,
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  • I'm not as big a sinner asher because she did that.
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  • And all I did was make myhusband's life miserable
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  • for 12 years.
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  • (laughing)
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  • But to God, sin is sin.
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  • And the greatest freegift that's available
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  • to every humanbeing is forgiveness
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  • from God to each one of us.
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  • And then we let it go.
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  • - That's so good, Sheila.
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  • I think I can rememberbeing one of those people
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  • who kind of judged sins based on
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  • where I thought theywere on the spectrum
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  • and just coming toa point in my life
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  • as a younger womanwhere being places...
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  • I had no business being likeHumpty Dumpty sat on the wall
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  • and of course, HumptyDumpty had a great fall.
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  • Why would an eggsit on the wall?
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  • Just there.
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  • So what I mean bythat though is,
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  • just finally being face to face
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  • with my own sin nature in a way
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  • that I couldn't explain a way,
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  • that I couldn't excuse a way.
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  • And finally, what wasable to help me receive
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  • that forgiveness thatyou're talking about Sheila,
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  • it was really Colossians 2:13
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  • when it says, "And you whowere dead in your trespasses
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  • "and the uncircumcisionof your flesh,
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  • "God made alivetogether with Him
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  • "having forgiven usall our trespasses."
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  • Past tense
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  • "By canceling the record of debt
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  • "that stood against uswith its legal demands.
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  • "This He set aside,nailing it to the cross.
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  • "He disarmed therulers and authorities
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  • "and put them to open shame bytriumphing over them in Him."
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  • And it's just that scripture,if you think about it
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  • and the image that it'spainting is that God,
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  • I mean, Jesus nailedit all to the cross
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  • with Himself and thenput the enemy to shame.
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  • So there's no need for meto walk around in shame.
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  • Because the Lord has alreadypaid for that, not to be so,
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  • and so it was just realizingthat even this, He knew,
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  • He knew when He called me,when He called me to Himself,
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  • He knew about this momentand He still called me.
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  • And that was one ofthe ways I was able
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  • to receive forgiveness,
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  • knowing that I havenot surprised the Lord,
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  • even in the depthsof my wickedness
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  • as a human and human nature.
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  • And from then justunderstanding even more deeply
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  • the gospel, like, I could havegotten this a long time ago,
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  • but how sweet it is,
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  • now to understand thegift of salvation,
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  • understanding myown record of debt
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  • that was canceled by thepower of the sacrifice
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  • and the resurrectionof Jesus Christ.
  • 00:12:44.510 --> 00:12:46.745
  • And that's been the nitty gritty
  • 00:12:46.745 --> 00:12:51.317
  • of how I've been ableto receive forgiveness.
  • 00:12:51.317 --> 00:12:53.986
  • And to really justnow see the cross,
  • 00:12:53.986 --> 00:12:56.222
  • a lot of people willhave those moments
  • 00:12:56.222 --> 00:12:58.257
  • where they tell youto write things down
  • 00:12:58.257 --> 00:13:00.559
  • and then go, literally nailedit to a cross in a room.
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  • Like even if you can'tget to physically
  • 00:13:04.563 --> 00:13:06.765
  • do something likethat, imagine that,
  • 00:13:06.765 --> 00:13:09.501
  • or make a cross outof Popsicle sticks,
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  • write something on it andlet it be representative
  • 00:13:12.338 --> 00:13:15.474
  • of what the Lord hascanceled for you.
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  • You know what I mean?
  • 00:13:19.078 --> 00:13:20.613
  • Just remembering that He didthis and He did it for real,
  • 00:13:20.613 --> 00:13:23.315
  • not in this nebulous idea of aworld, but in the real world,
  • 00:13:23.315 --> 00:13:27.620
  • He's done it for us.
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  • And we can actuallyreceive that.
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  • You like the Popsiclesticks Mama Brittney
  • 00:13:30.389 --> 00:13:32.224
  • 'Cause you know, wegot them at home.
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  • - I do.
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  • (laughing)
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  • You have to usewhatever works, okay.
  • 00:13:35.895 --> 00:13:38.864
  • If you have to putpictures of scriptures
  • 00:13:38.864 --> 00:13:40.799
  • and all kinds ofmacaroni crosses
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  • that you feel from your kids,
  • 00:13:43.736 --> 00:13:46.005
  • whatever helps keep that inthe forefront of your mind.
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  • - Yes.
  • 00:13:48.941 --> 00:13:50.376
  • - Cause I believe it allboils down to how we trust God
  • 00:13:50.376 --> 00:13:54.780
  • or if we really fullytake God at his word,
  • 00:13:55.981 --> 00:13:58.350
  • because you can findso many scriptures
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  • all throughout the Bible
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  • where he's talkingabout being free
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  • and forgiven andredeemed and grace.
  • 00:14:04.490 --> 00:14:07.393
  • It's like he'scontinuously reminding us
  • 00:14:07.393 --> 00:14:11.096
  • that we just need towalk in our forgiveness
  • 00:14:11.096 --> 00:14:14.166
  • and walk in our freedom.
  • 00:14:14.166 --> 00:14:15.634
  • And even 1 John 1:9, it says,
  • 00:14:15.634 --> 00:14:18.938
  • "if we freely admitthat we have sinned
  • 00:14:18.938 --> 00:14:21.740
  • "and confess our sins,
  • 00:14:21.740 --> 00:14:23.275
  • "He is faithful and just trueto His own nature and promises
  • 00:14:23.275 --> 00:14:27.346
  • "and will forgive our sinsand cleanse us continually
  • 00:14:27.346 --> 00:14:31.417
  • "from all unrighteousness,our wrongdoing,
  • 00:14:31.417 --> 00:14:33.986
  • "everything not in conformitywith his will and purpose."
  • 00:14:33.986 --> 00:14:37.222
  • He has told usthat so many times
  • 00:14:37.222 --> 00:14:40.793
  • and it's like there is nothing
  • 00:14:40.793 --> 00:14:42.494
  • that could separate usfrom the love of God.
  • 00:14:42.494 --> 00:14:45.164
  • And I really believe itcomes all down to how much
  • 00:14:45.164 --> 00:14:50.169
  • we believe God and his word.
  • 00:14:51.036 --> 00:14:53.672
  • And I believe that westruggle a lot as Christians
  • 00:14:53.672 --> 00:14:58.677
  • because we see God forgiving,
  • 00:14:59.545 --> 00:15:02.982
  • Like we forgive orlike a human forgives.
  • 00:15:02.982 --> 00:15:07.987
  • And you forgive this person,
  • 00:15:08.854 --> 00:15:11.223
  • but then you rememberwhat they did.
  • 00:15:11.223 --> 00:15:13.192
  • You put all of theseboundaries in place.
  • 00:15:13.192 --> 00:15:16.362
  • You want them to keepshowing the remorse
  • 00:15:16.362 --> 00:15:19.098
  • that they had to work, whatever,you know they did to you.
  • 00:15:19.098 --> 00:15:23.135
  • And we see that ashow God forgives,
  • 00:15:23.135 --> 00:15:27.172
  • if that makes any sense.
  • 00:15:27.172 --> 00:15:29.074
  • And I believe if people cansee that God is perfect,
  • 00:15:29.074 --> 00:15:33.746
  • (laughing)
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  • that he doesn't loveand forgive, like.
  • 00:15:34.980 --> 00:15:37.583
  • we as humans need to learnhow to forgive more like God,
  • 00:15:37.583 --> 00:15:42.588
  • I think people wouldreally be able to see God
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  • at His word and just knowthat we are forgiving.
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  • We are free.
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  • He has thrown it intothe sea of forgetfulness
  • 00:15:51.196 --> 00:15:56.135
  • it's like the giant of our sin
  • 00:15:56.135 --> 00:15:59.538
  • has been drowned inthe ocean of His love.
  • 00:15:59.538 --> 00:16:03.108
  • And if we could grasp that,
  • 00:16:03.108 --> 00:16:05.944
  • we could really walk in thatreceiving that forgiveness.
  • 00:16:05.944 --> 00:16:09.915
  • When knowing thatyou were called,
  • 00:16:09.915 --> 00:16:12.618
  • you were set apart,you were chosen,
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  • your path was laid outwhen He already knew
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  • every single thingthat would do wrong
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  • to him, to others.
  • 00:16:21.660 --> 00:16:23.695
  • And I believe if we grant that,
  • 00:16:23.695 --> 00:16:26.965
  • that you were called and chosen
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  • before you evendid what you did,
  • 00:16:29.101 --> 00:16:31.837
  • that he knew you was gonna do,
  • 00:16:31.837 --> 00:16:33.172
  • but yet he still calledand he chose you.
  • 00:16:33.172 --> 00:16:36.108
  • And I just think atthis point in the world,
  • 00:16:36.108 --> 00:16:39.912
  • like the world is so much inan uproar from so many years
  • 00:16:39.912 --> 00:16:44.917
  • of unforgiveness and so manydifferent shapes and forms.
  • 00:16:47.653 --> 00:16:52.057
  • And I feel like if we couldfully learn how to walk
  • 00:16:52.057 --> 00:16:57.062
  • in the freedom of forgiveness
  • 00:16:57.930 --> 00:16:59.431
  • and how not to hold onto things
  • 00:16:59.431 --> 00:17:02.434
  • or how not to be condemnedin our own lives,
  • 00:17:02.434 --> 00:17:06.405
  • we would do better withforgiving other people,
  • 00:17:06.405 --> 00:17:09.908
  • if we fully grasp howGod has forgiven us.
  • 00:17:11.176 --> 00:17:15.180
  • And I mean whenI think about it,
  • 00:17:15.180 --> 00:17:19.184
  • I thank God, to be able towalk in freedom in knowing
  • 00:17:24.890 --> 00:17:29.895
  • that I am forgiven
  • 00:17:31.296 --> 00:17:33.031
  • and knowing that I domy part in the natural
  • 00:17:33.031 --> 00:17:35.701
  • and He always has mecovered in the spiritual,
  • 00:17:35.701 --> 00:17:39.071
  • no matter what while I'mdoing my part in the natural,
  • 00:17:39.071 --> 00:17:42.007
  • and that, in itselfwill help me.
  • 00:17:42.007 --> 00:17:45.043
  • Like when I feelbad about something,
  • 00:17:45.043 --> 00:17:47.146
  • I'm like, Oh no,that's the devil trying
  • 00:17:47.146 --> 00:17:49.414
  • to make me getinto condemnation.
  • 00:17:49.414 --> 00:17:51.950
  • These thoughts are not mine,
  • 00:17:51.950 --> 00:17:53.385
  • These thoughts are not from God.
  • 00:17:53.385 --> 00:17:55.420
  • I did not, I wasn't able to...
  • 00:17:55.420 --> 00:18:00.225
  • I didn't have a miscarriagebecause of something I did.
  • 00:18:00.225 --> 00:18:03.061
  • I think people are so caught up
  • 00:18:03.061 --> 00:18:06.765
  • on things are happeningwrong in their lives
  • 00:18:06.765 --> 00:18:09.935
  • because of somethingthat they did.
  • 00:18:09.935 --> 00:18:11.737
  • And I just want theviewers like to fully grasp
  • 00:18:11.737 --> 00:18:15.541
  • the fact that, thisis not God at all,
  • 00:18:15.541 --> 00:18:20.546
  • if you asked for forgiveness,you repented from your sin.
  • 00:18:23.849 --> 00:18:26.952
  • Now you just walk in thatbecause God is amazing.
  • 00:18:26.952 --> 00:18:29.755
  • He's not like how you feelor think in your human mind.
  • 00:18:29.755 --> 00:18:34.159
  • He is absolutely perfect.
  • 00:18:34.159 --> 00:18:36.528
  • And when He says He forgivesus and He throws it away,
  • 00:18:36.528 --> 00:18:39.965
  • that's exactly what He has done.
  • 00:18:39.965 --> 00:18:42.568
  • And we just needto walk in that.
  • 00:18:42.568 --> 00:18:45.337
  • - That's right, I agreewith you Brittney.
  • 00:18:45.337 --> 00:18:48.707
  • That's exactly right.
  • 00:18:48.707 --> 00:18:50.943
  • the Bible says in Psalms 103:12,
  • 00:18:50.943 --> 00:18:53.645
  • "as far as the Eastis from the West,
  • 00:18:53.645 --> 00:18:57.482
  • "so far does He remove ourtransgressions from us."
  • 00:18:57.482 --> 00:19:02.287
  • Like you were saying,humans we don't do that.
  • 00:19:03.689 --> 00:19:06.758
  • We remember, we havea hard time forgetting
  • 00:19:08.126 --> 00:19:11.830
  • when somebody doessomething against us.
  • 00:19:11.830 --> 00:19:15.033
  • And that's exactly whatyou're talking about,
  • 00:19:15.033 --> 00:19:17.803
  • is that God, He doesn't treat us
  • 00:19:17.803 --> 00:19:21.673
  • the way sometimes we thinkpeople should treat each other.
  • 00:19:21.673 --> 00:19:26.278
  • And that goes back tothis whole idea of grace,
  • 00:19:26.278 --> 00:19:31.250
  • understanding thatgrace is a gift.
  • 00:19:32.417 --> 00:19:34.653
  • And Laurie, that is a hugeconversation to figure out
  • 00:19:34.653 --> 00:19:39.658
  • that we don't earn God's love,
  • 00:19:41.159 --> 00:19:45.130
  • He loves us just the way we are.
  • 00:19:45.130 --> 00:19:49.201
  • - Yeah.
  • 00:19:49.201 --> 00:19:50.035
  • - Don't you agree?
  • 00:19:50.035 --> 00:19:51.069
  • - I love it.
  • 00:19:51.069 --> 00:19:51.903
  • - Oh, well it's justastounding to me (laughs)
  • 00:19:53.272 --> 00:19:55.407
  • but just like, welove our children,
  • 00:19:55.407 --> 00:19:58.944
  • there's nothing that so awful,
  • 00:19:58.944 --> 00:20:02.648
  • I don't think that Katelynand Cody could ever do
  • 00:20:02.648 --> 00:20:05.651
  • that would make mestop loving them.
  • 00:20:05.651 --> 00:20:08.020
  • I just can't imagine that.
  • 00:20:08.020 --> 00:20:09.788
  • So, as the Biblesays, "you being evil,
  • 00:20:09.788 --> 00:20:13.292
  • "know how to do goodthings for your children.
  • 00:20:13.292 --> 00:20:15.894
  • "How much more does yourheavenly father love those
  • 00:20:15.894 --> 00:20:19.264
  • and love you?"
  • 00:20:19.264 --> 00:20:21.099
  • I love when Peter, youknow, he denied Jesus
  • 00:20:21.099 --> 00:20:25.637
  • just straight across theboard, denied him three times.
  • 00:20:25.637 --> 00:20:29.841
  • Jesus told him he'd do it.
  • 00:20:29.841 --> 00:20:32.044
  • And then He said,
  • 00:20:32.044 --> 00:20:33.445
  • "when you hear therooster crow three times,
  • 00:20:33.445 --> 00:20:35.547
  • "you'll know thatI know (laughs)
  • 00:20:37.649 --> 00:20:40.619
  • "that you have denied me."
  • 00:20:40.619 --> 00:20:41.920
  • And I love thatwhen he meets Peter
  • 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:43.689
  • back on the seashore, Sheila,
  • 00:20:43.689 --> 00:20:48.060
  • that He says, "Peter,do you love me?"
  • 00:20:48.060 --> 00:20:50.595
  • And He said, "feed my sheep."
  • 00:20:50.595 --> 00:20:52.397
  • And He kept saying that, "feedmy sheep, feed my sheep."
  • 00:20:53.799 --> 00:20:56.401
  • And to me, that was just saying,
  • 00:20:56.401 --> 00:20:58.970
  • I don't care what you've done.
  • 00:20:58.970 --> 00:21:00.472
  • You have denied me, Peter,
  • 00:21:00.472 --> 00:21:02.474
  • but I'm telling youwhat your future is.
  • 00:21:02.474 --> 00:21:05.077
  • You have not taken myeyes off of your destiny.
  • 00:21:05.077 --> 00:21:08.747
  • You have not done something
  • 00:21:08.747 --> 00:21:10.382
  • that I am not pointing youin the right direction Boy,
  • 00:21:10.382 --> 00:21:12.884
  • you're gonna feed my sheep
  • 00:21:12.884 --> 00:21:14.653
  • and you're going to tellthat and it was Peter
  • 00:21:14.653 --> 00:21:16.588
  • who stood on theday of Pentecost
  • 00:21:16.588 --> 00:21:18.390
  • and thousands came toJesus because of it.
  • 00:21:18.390 --> 00:21:20.992
  • So there's nothing,purpose is so much greater
  • 00:21:20.992 --> 00:21:25.964
  • than shame and guiltand it's our purpose.
  • 00:21:27.165 --> 00:21:29.668
  • And it seems like inthis world today, Sheila,
  • 00:21:29.668 --> 00:21:31.737
  • that we've just kind offorgotten how to forgive people.
  • 00:21:31.737 --> 00:21:35.207
  • - You know what you said
  • 00:21:35.207 --> 00:21:36.641
  • about Jesus asking Peterthree times, "do you love me?"
  • 00:21:36.641 --> 00:21:39.711
  • I think there's sucha powerful thing
  • 00:21:39.711 --> 00:21:41.380
  • because they'rethere on the beach.
  • 00:21:41.380 --> 00:21:44.182
  • They're cooking fish,there's a smell of charcoal,
  • 00:21:44.182 --> 00:21:46.785
  • the same smell of charcoal
  • 00:21:46.785 --> 00:21:48.754
  • that would have beenthere from the city dump
  • 00:21:48.754 --> 00:21:50.255
  • for the crucifixion, was thereso much about that moment.
  • 00:21:50.255 --> 00:21:53.058
  • There's full of drama for Peter,
  • 00:21:53.058 --> 00:21:55.594
  • but Christ got himto say three times.
  • 00:21:55.594 --> 00:21:57.729
  • "You know I love you."
  • 00:21:57.729 --> 00:21:59.264
  • To cancel out every time he'dsaid, "I don't even know him."
  • 00:21:59.264 --> 00:22:02.167
  • And that's what Janicewas referring to
  • 00:22:02.167 --> 00:22:03.702
  • in that passage from Colossians
  • 00:22:03.702 --> 00:22:05.003
  • that he canceled therecord of our sins.
  • 00:22:05.003 --> 00:22:07.773
  • He canceled out.
  • 00:22:07.773 --> 00:22:08.940
  • And for me, it'slike, David showed us,
  • 00:22:08.940 --> 00:22:11.009
  • what do you do when yourealize you've really blown it
  • 00:22:11.009 --> 00:22:14.613
  • and you desperatelyneed forgiveness.
  • 00:22:14.613 --> 00:22:16.314
  • Psalm 34, which is justone of my favorites
  • 00:22:16.314 --> 00:22:18.283
  • It says, "I prayed to theLord and he answered me.
  • 00:22:18.283 --> 00:22:21.586
  • "He freed me from all my fears.
  • 00:22:21.586 --> 00:22:23.555
  • "Those who look to him forhelp will be radiant with joy,
  • 00:22:23.555 --> 00:22:27.959
  • "No shadow of shamewill touch their faces,"
  • 00:22:27.959 --> 00:22:31.329
  • I think that's what we do.
  • 00:22:31.329 --> 00:22:32.564
  • It's like when we'vereally messed up,
  • 00:22:32.564 --> 00:22:34.332
  • we looked to Him for help.
  • 00:22:34.332 --> 00:22:36.701
  • And then no shadow ofshame will touch our faces
  • 00:22:36.701 --> 00:22:40.505
  • because we've been forgiven
  • 00:22:40.505 --> 00:22:42.607
  • Janice, I know that that'ssomething that's a huge,
  • 00:22:42.607 --> 00:22:45.377
  • I mean, you speak alot about forgiveness
  • 00:22:45.377 --> 00:22:49.347
  • of things are hard to forgive.
  • 00:22:49.347 --> 00:22:51.049
  • - Yes, I think it's becauseI had in my own mind
  • 00:22:52.384 --> 00:22:57.189
  • what was forgivableand what wasn't.
  • 00:22:58.323 --> 00:22:59.958
  • And I had to be forgiven outof that, if that makes sense.
  • 00:23:01.393 --> 00:23:05.864
  • And so I'm just sograteful for God
  • 00:23:07.265 --> 00:23:09.701
  • that in canceling the debt,
  • 00:23:09.701 --> 00:23:12.137
  • it was one of the waysHe renewed my mind.
  • 00:23:12.137 --> 00:23:15.640
  • It was one of theways he's shown me
  • 00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:18.243
  • what it means to be saved.
  • 00:23:18.243 --> 00:23:21.379
  • You know what I mean?
  • 00:23:21.379 --> 00:23:22.180
  • And the miracle of that,
  • 00:23:22.180 --> 00:23:24.483
  • I mean, when it says thatwe've been reconciled to God,
  • 00:23:24.483 --> 00:23:28.453
  • the idea of that wordis a closing of a gap
  • 00:23:28.453 --> 00:23:33.291
  • that was so wide,
  • 00:23:33.291 --> 00:23:34.826
  • like exchanging money andmaking up for the currency
  • 00:23:34.826 --> 00:23:38.396
  • that was not as valuableas the other one.
  • 00:23:38.396 --> 00:23:40.732
  • And so it's just beensuch a lesson to me,
  • 00:23:40.732 --> 00:23:44.970
  • just about the gospel.
  • 00:23:44.970 --> 00:23:46.238
  • And so I just wantto pray for anybody
  • 00:23:46.238 --> 00:23:48.573
  • that's holding on to anythingthat is bringing you shame.
  • 00:23:48.573 --> 00:23:53.211
  • Can I pray for you?
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  • Lord, I thank you rightnow for your word.
  • 00:23:54.880 --> 00:23:57.749
  • I thank you that it is alive.
  • 00:23:57.749 --> 00:24:00.785
  • And so I pray right nowthat every bit of the word
  • 00:24:00.785 --> 00:24:04.155
  • that a woman has heardin this conversation,
  • 00:24:04.155 --> 00:24:07.993
  • or whoever may be listening,a child, a father, a friend,
  • 00:24:07.993 --> 00:24:12.264
  • whoever is listening God.
  • 00:24:12.264 --> 00:24:13.965
  • I pray that every wordthat has been spoken
  • 00:24:13.965 --> 00:24:16.968
  • that is actually your wordwould penetrate their hearts
  • 00:24:16.968 --> 00:24:20.105
  • more deeply thaneven ever before.
  • 00:24:20.105 --> 00:24:22.607
  • And I pray right now that youwould lead us to the places
  • 00:24:22.607 --> 00:24:26.044
  • where we're stillcarrying shame,
  • 00:24:26.044 --> 00:24:28.246
  • where we're stillcarrying derision God,
  • 00:24:28.246 --> 00:24:31.149
  • where we're still carryingthese debts on our own
  • 00:24:31.149 --> 00:24:33.818
  • that you've already canceled.
  • 00:24:33.818 --> 00:24:35.787
  • Would you show us thoseplaces and give us the courage
  • 00:24:35.787 --> 00:24:39.124
  • to just hand them to you
  • 00:24:39.124 --> 00:24:41.960
  • and in exchange, receiveforgiveness Lord God,
  • 00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:46.965
  • I thank you that as we giveyou ashes, you give us beauty.
  • 00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:51.303
  • This exchange issomething that...
  • 00:24:51.303 --> 00:24:53.238
  • like Brittney, said, yousay over and over again,
  • 00:24:53.238 --> 00:24:55.907
  • you give us so much imagery
  • 00:24:55.907 --> 00:24:57.943
  • that we literally give youworse than nothingness.
  • 00:24:57.943 --> 00:25:01.446
  • And you give us such a promise.
  • 00:25:01.446 --> 00:25:03.148
  • So right now, Lord, would youmeet everybody where they are
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  • and make this vividfor them in their minds
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  • - And in their hearts.- Hallelujah.
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  • - Let it travel fromtheir minds, their hearts
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  • - Yes.
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  • - That this timethey may believe it
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  • and hand over to you, whatthey've been holding in shame
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  • in Jesus name we pray.
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  • Nothing is too big foryou, thank you God.
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  • - [All] Amen.
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  • - Thank you Jesus.
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  • - [All] Amen.
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  • - Freedom (laughing)
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  • is always here for you.
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  • How can we confront with grace
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  • and create change witha forgiving heart?
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  • Tomorrow, we're talking abouthandling conflict, God's way.
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  • We will see then, God bless you.
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  • Love y'all.
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