Nancy Grace dives deep into the day’s most shocking crimes and asks the tough questions. Hear from the families and friends of victims, revisit media coverage and go inside the court rooms. Guest experts join the panel to break down the evidence.
#Victim
#Struggle
#Actions
#Law
#Trials-HardTimes
#Justice
#Hatred
#Truth
#Injustice
#inActive
#Accountability
#Murder
#Crime
#Grief
Closed captions
Show Timecode
Crime Stories With Nancy Grace | Brian Thompson | Crime Stories With Nancy Grace | December 10, 2024
- Bombshell tonight.
- 00:00:00.055 --> 00:00:01.457
- And the so-called health boss shooting an ivy league
- 00:00:01.457 --> 00:00:06.395
- Grad turned assassin now charged with murder.
- 00:00:06.395 --> 00:00:11.066
- Good evening. i'm nancy grace.
- 00:00:11.066 --> 00:00:12.534
- This is crime stories.
- 00:00:12.534 --> 00:00:13.702
- Thank you for being with us.
- 00:00:13.702 --> 00:00:28.083
- Breaking a.
- 00:00:28.417 --> 00:00:29.485
- Person of interest identified in the united.
- 00:00:29.485 --> 00:00:32.354
- Healthcare. ceo shooting.
- 00:00:32.354 --> 00:00:34.523
- A man taken into custody in penn
- 00:00:34.523 --> 00:00:39.962
- Straight out
- 00:00:40.295 --> 00:00:41.096
- To chief of detectives, nypd joe
- 00:00:41.096 --> 00:00:44.967
- A man was taken into custody tod in altoona, pennsylvania.
- 00:00:44.967 --> 00:00:47.803
- This morning.
- 00:00:47.803 --> 00:00:48.770
- He has been identified as luigi mangione.
- 00:00:48.770 --> 00:00:52.107
- He's a male, 26 years old.
- 00:00:52.107 --> 00:00:54.243
- He was born and raised in maryla
- 00:00:54.243 --> 00:00:56.411
- We know he have taught.
- 00:00:56.411 --> 00:00:57.412
- He has ties to san francisco, ca
- 00:00:57.412 --> 00:00:59.748
- And his last known address was h hawaii.
- 00:00:59.748 --> 00:01:02.618
- He has no prior arrest history in new york.
- 00:01:02.618 --> 00:01:05.888
- This case was brought to a succe conclusion based on the coordina
- 00:01:05.888 --> 00:01:09.658
- Between numerous nypd units, including the intelligence
- 00:01:09.658 --> 00:01:13.362
- And counterterrorism bureau, our federal partners at the fbi,
- 00:01:13.362 --> 00:01:17.266
- The manhattan district attorney' and of course,
- 00:01:17.266 --> 00:01:20.602
- Members of the altoona police de and pennsylvania.
- 00:01:20.602 --> 00:01:24.139
- Repeat. for those of you just jo
- 00:01:24.139 --> 00:01:26.208
- Bombshell, an arrest has been ma in the so-called health
- 00:01:26.208 --> 00:01:30.312
- Boss murder of all people.
- 00:01:30.312 --> 00:01:33.749
- An ivy league grad
- 00:01:34.183 --> 00:01:37.653
- Turned assassin born with a silver spoon in his
- 00:01:37.653 --> 00:01:41.924
- Right now in isolation
- 00:01:41.924 --> 00:01:44.893
- And a pennsylvania sy correctional institute at hun
- 00:01:44.893 --> 00:01:50.599
- What happened?
- 00:01:50.933 --> 00:01:52.601
- How did a guy with everything
- 00:01:52.601 --> 00:01:56.605
- Turn into a cold blooded assassi
- 00:01:56.605 --> 00:02:01.376
- Joining me?
- 00:02:01.710 --> 00:02:02.978
- An all star panel straight out t monica rodriguez joining us, chi
- 00:02:02.978 --> 00:02:06.715
- Reporter with dailymail.com and the podcast, the trial of daily
- 00:02:06.715 --> 00:02:12.921
- Tell me about the arrest.
- 00:02:12.921 --> 00:02:16.225
- Right.
- 00:02:16.425 --> 00:02:17.259
- So finally, after a five day man police
- 00:02:17.259 --> 00:02:20.929
- Found the suspect, luigi mangano at a mcdonald's in pennsylvania.
- 00:02:20.929 --> 00:02:25.601
- Actually, police now say that he in the state moving back and for
- 00:02:25.601 --> 00:02:29.905
- Between pittsburgh and other places for days.
- 00:02:29.905 --> 00:02:33.842
- It appears that an employee at mcdonald's, called police
- 00:02:33.842 --> 00:02:37.879
- After someone recognized him and said he was acting suspiciou
- 00:02:37.879 --> 00:02:41.917
- Police said yesterday that when approached him, he gave the same
- 00:02:41.917 --> 00:02:47.122
- From new jersey that he had give to check in to the hospital in n
- 00:02:47.122 --> 00:02:51.660
- Now, when police asked him if he had recently been to new y
- 00:02:51.660 --> 00:02:55.097
- That's when he started shaking a very nervous.
- 00:02:55.097 --> 00:02:59.234
- And that's when he was arrested.
- 00:02:59.234 --> 00:03:00.502
- And now he's was he's been now c with the murder of brian thompso
- 00:03:00.502 --> 00:03:05.440
- Take a listen to tyler fry.
- 00:03:06.041 --> 00:03:09.845
- Now, this is a rookie police off
- 00:03:09.845 --> 00:03:12.748
- Who was formerly with the sherif department.
- 00:03:12.748 --> 00:03:15.584
- Listen, whatever we got on scene
- 00:03:15.584 --> 00:03:18.620
- We we were able to pretty much
- 00:03:18.620 --> 00:03:21.757
- Find where he was at in, in the restaurant.
- 00:03:21.757 --> 00:03:24.993
- And as soon as he pulled, he was wearing a blue medical ma
- 00:03:24.993 --> 00:03:27.529
- As soon as we pulled that down, or we asked him to pull it down.
- 00:03:27.529 --> 00:03:31.233
- We made my partner and i recognized him immediately
- 00:03:31.233 --> 00:03:34.670
- He didn't even think twice about
- 00:03:34.670 --> 00:03:35.771
- We knew that was our guy, but he
- 00:03:35.771 --> 00:03:39.741
- He was very cooperative with us.
- 00:03:40.375 --> 00:03:42.110
- Didn't really give us too many i
- 00:03:42.110 --> 00:03:44.946
- Once we found out his identity, we we took it from there.
- 00:03:44.946 --> 00:03:48.517
- Tyler frye being lauded today in making the arrest.
- 00:03:48.517 --> 00:03:52.020
- That's my friends at 11 alive.
- 00:03:52.020 --> 00:03:53.755
- Two days mac crime online.com investigative reporte
- 00:03:53.755 --> 00:03:57.359
- Who's been on the case from the very beginning.
- 00:03:57.359 --> 00:03:59.861
- Dave mac been conflicting report that a mcdonald's employee id hi
- 00:03:59.861 --> 00:04:04.800
- Or was it an elderly patron who identified mangione, luigi m
- 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:11.139
- And that patron then alerted an and the employee called 911.
- 00:04:11.139 --> 00:04:16.945
- How did it go down, mac?
- 00:04:16.945 --> 00:04:18.313
- That is exactly how it happened.
- 00:04:18.313 --> 00:04:20.115
- An elderly couple looking over noticed him.
- 00:04:20.115 --> 00:04:21.983
- He was sitting in the very back of the restaura
- 00:04:21.983 --> 00:04:23.719
- He's got his little blue mask up
- 00:04:23.719 --> 00:04:25.454
- He's sitting there eating breakf looking at his laptop,
- 00:04:25.454 --> 00:04:27.723
- But an elderly man spots him back there and goes to an employ
- 00:04:27.723 --> 00:04:31.593
- I think that's the guy.
- 00:04:31.593 --> 00:04:32.861
- So the employee calls and the police were right there.
- 00:04:32.861 --> 00:04:36.164
- Now, i've heard that he was acti suspiciously to cheryl mccallum.
- 00:04:36.164 --> 00:04:41.303
- Joining me, forensic expert and director of
- 00:04:41.303 --> 00:04:44.306
- Case research institute, star of podcast zone seven.
- 00:04:44.306 --> 00:04:48.143
- Cheryl, you have to have a reason to det
- 00:04:48.143 --> 00:04:52.881
- Okay?
- 00:04:52.881 --> 00:04:53.982
- Not arrest, but to detain is an old civil case u.s.
- 00:04:53.982 --> 00:04:59.187
- Versus terry.
- 00:04:59.187 --> 00:05:00.655
- Okay to stop someone just to ask so to say he was acting suspicio
- 00:05:00.655 --> 00:05:06.395
- The guys in the back booth at a mcdonald's on his laptop.
- 00:05:06.395 --> 00:05:10.332
- I don't know what is suspicious about that.
- 00:05:10.332 --> 00:05:12.000
- I'll tell you what i think, cher
- 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:13.335
- I think they identified him.
- 00:05:13.335 --> 00:05:15.504
- The patron identified him ago.
- 00:05:15.504 --> 00:05:17.539
- Hey, that's the guy i'm seeing o that shot down the ceo and the e
- 00:05:17.539 --> 00:05:23.612
- Call 911.
- 00:05:23.612 --> 00:05:24.880
- I don't know what suspicious abo but a police officer has the rig
- 00:05:24.880 --> 00:05:29.885
- Based on intuition to ask you fo
- 00:05:29.885 --> 00:05:33.789
- That is okay.
- 00:05:33.789 --> 00:05:35.857
- They were called there because t
- 00:05:35.857 --> 00:05:38.994
- Not one, thought, hey, that looks like the guy.
- 00:05:38.994 --> 00:05:42.330
- And if he's eating breakfast, he
- 00:05:42.330 --> 00:05:43.799
- Having to move that mask a little bit to take a bite.
- 00:05:43.799 --> 00:05:46.802
- Once they approach him, law enfo says, hey, we were called here.
- 00:05:46.802 --> 00:05:51.506
- Let me just go ahead and see you
- 00:05:51.506 --> 00:05:53.675
- The day that he gives them is the same fake new jersey i.d.
- 00:05:53.675 --> 00:05:58.246
- That he gave to the hospital.
- 00:05:58.246 --> 00:06:00.015
- With that point, they're like, this is the guy.
- 00:06:00.015 --> 00:06:02.451
- We also recognize him from the p that nypd put out.
- 00:06:02.451 --> 00:06:07.522
- And i just want to say, that is absolutely fantastic.
- 00:06:07.522 --> 00:06:11.927
- Police work.
- 00:06:11.927 --> 00:06:12.627
- Did they put his face out so fas
- 00:06:12.627 --> 00:06:15.730
- That somebody in pennsylvania is going to recognize him?
- 00:06:15.730 --> 00:06:20.101
- Joining me right now, high profi defense attorney jason oceans
- 00:06:20.101 --> 00:06:24.105
- Who practices in this jurisdicti jason oceans.
- 00:06:24.105 --> 00:06:27.342
- Don't you just hate it as a defense attorney when the c
- 00:06:27.342 --> 00:06:30.912
- By the book, there's really nothing for you to compla
- 00:06:30.912 --> 00:06:34.349
- And can't you just see it?
- 00:06:34.349 --> 00:06:36.952
- After my dad retired from the railroad, group of his
- 00:06:36.952 --> 00:06:41.156
- He would occasionally go very ra but they would get together at m
- 00:06:41.156 --> 00:06:46.461
- Okay.
- 00:06:46.461 --> 00:06:47.562
- They are not paying $5 for a cup of coffee at starbucks
- 00:06:47.562 --> 00:06:50.699
- And they would be there every da
- 00:06:50.699 --> 00:06:52.467
- Many of them, military vets like my father.
- 00:06:52.467 --> 00:06:56.771
- And can't you to see people that that mcdonald's every day.
- 00:06:56.771 --> 00:07:00.742
- And they're sitting there going, my stars.
- 00:07:00.742 --> 00:07:03.545
- That's him.
- 00:07:03.545 --> 00:07:04.880
- And the police did not screw it
- 00:07:04.880 --> 00:07:07.582
- This rookie, formerly a sheriff, however, comes in.
- 00:07:07.582 --> 00:07:12.020
- He's got a suspicion. and he doe
- 00:07:12.020 --> 00:07:15.690
- Yeah.
- 00:07:15.924 --> 00:07:16.658
- Good. terry, stop.
- 00:07:16.658 --> 00:07:18.026
- I think you, you highlighted tha well. and.
- 00:07:18.026 --> 00:07:19.895
- No, as a defense attorney, liste
- 00:07:19.895 --> 00:07:21.062
- You're presented the the evidence and the facts as th
- 00:07:21.062 --> 00:07:24.199
- You know, we don't make that up.
- 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:26.001
- We might highlight things or focus on different aspects
- 00:07:26.001 --> 00:07:28.770
- To, ensure, you know, justice, if you will.
- 00:07:28.770 --> 00:07:32.607
- But it was a great stop.
- 00:07:32.607 --> 00:07:34.543
- And, and you quite properly note that he was experienced as a she
- 00:07:34.543 --> 00:07:38.613
- She might have been a rookie
- 00:07:38.613 --> 00:07:39.681
- To the altoona pd, but certainly his instincts kick
- 00:07:39.681 --> 00:07:43.018
- Move the mask, secure the scene, make sure that he was
- 00:07:43.018 --> 00:07:46.021
- And his partner and, you know, k
- 00:07:46.021 --> 00:07:49.991
- To nypd and getting the informat out of the picture.
- 00:07:49.991 --> 00:07:52.561
- As it's been noted, that was widespread national new
- 00:07:52.561 --> 00:07:55.664
- And, really just good old police detective w
- 00:07:55.664 --> 00:07:59.334
- Hey, tom smith joining me, forme nypd detective,
- 00:08:00.268 --> 00:08:02.804
- 30 years in the city, now star of the gold shield show
- 00:08:02.804 --> 00:08:07.375
- It's podcast. tom smith.
- 00:08:07.375 --> 00:08:08.610
- Thank you for being with me, tom
- 00:08:08.610 --> 00:08:10.712
- You know how wrong of this could have gone.
- 00:08:10.712 --> 00:08:13.548
- How sideways. it could have all
- 00:08:13.548 --> 00:08:15.717
- You know, he had,
- 00:08:15.717 --> 00:08:17.986
- The ghost gun with him and one of the gun charges again
- 00:08:17.986 --> 00:08:21.323
- He's got multiple gun charges is got a suppressor, aka a silencer
- 00:08:21.323 --> 00:08:25.727
- But also, he had a loaded illega
- 00:08:25.727 --> 00:08:29.531
- There wasn't just, some ammo in his backpack.
- 00:08:29.531 --> 00:08:33.201
- That gun was loaded.
- 00:08:33.201 --> 00:08:34.436
- You know how wrong this takedown could have gone.
- 00:08:34.436 --> 00:08:37.872
- It could have gone terribly wron
- 00:08:38.506 --> 00:08:40.241
- The good thing was they got him kind of by surprise
- 00:08:40.241 --> 00:08:43.345
- They got him in a confined area, and the deputies who showed up
- 00:08:43.345 --> 00:08:46.982
- Did a masterful job at doing thi
- 00:08:46.982 --> 00:08:49.150
- They got on top of them quite be he could do anything
- 00:08:49.150 --> 00:08:52.087
- Or think about anything.
- 00:08:52.087 --> 00:08:53.521
- And like i said, being in that c helped them a lot.
- 00:08:53.521 --> 00:08:56.691
- And they took advantage of that.
- 00:08:56.691 --> 00:08:58.493
- You mean him sitting in a back booth in the corner?
- 00:08:59.494 --> 00:09:01.830
- Yeah. there was nowhere for him
- 00:09:01.830 --> 00:09:04.432
- Absolutely.
- 00:09:04.432 --> 00:09:05.467
- And you're praying about.
- 00:09:05.467 --> 00:09:07.202
- Yes, man.
- 00:09:07.202 --> 00:09:07.902
- You know, that's what he told sm
- 00:09:07.902 --> 00:09:09.971
- This is when i asked you what could have gone wrong.
- 00:09:09.971 --> 00:09:14.843
- I was a rookie a.d.a., assistant district attorney in inner city
- 00:09:14.843 --> 00:09:19.781
- And had befriended a cop, a rookie cop, that had testified
- 00:09:19.781 --> 00:09:24.085
- And a lot of what i was putting to the grand jury.
- 00:09:24.085 --> 00:09:27.555
- Randy cipriani.
- 00:09:27.922 --> 00:09:28.890
- And he made a routine traffic st
- 00:09:28.890 --> 00:09:31.493
- Routine traffic stop. that was i
- 00:09:31.493 --> 00:09:34.663
- The guy rolled down the driver, the window,
- 00:09:34.663 --> 00:09:37.732
- Took a gun and shot him in the h
- 00:09:37.732 --> 00:09:39.801
- Just like that for nothing.
- 00:09:39.801 --> 00:09:41.970
- So you never know
- 00:09:41.970 --> 00:09:44.439
- When is going to be your last day on the police force, tom.
- 00:09:44.439 --> 00:09:48.877
- Oh, yeah.
- 00:09:49.177 --> 00:09:49.644
- And we learn.
- 00:09:49.644 --> 00:09:50.345
- I lived with that for 30 years,
- 00:09:50.345 --> 00:09:51.546
- And that's what i mean by by the great actions of this
- 00:09:51.546 --> 00:09:55.216
- He didn't let him get an upper h
- 00:09:55.216 --> 00:09:57.719
- He took control of the situation and had him covered, giving him
- 00:09:57.719 --> 00:10:02.424
- To get out of that area or to, y any overt act towards the office
- 00:10:02.424 --> 00:10:07.962
- Take a look at what we're showing right now.
- 00:10:07.962 --> 00:10:09.798
- This is off of luigi manganese on social media.
- 00:10:09.798 --> 00:10:14.736
- Look at his back.
- 00:10:14.736 --> 00:10:17.072
- It looks like screws drilled into his back.
- 00:10:17.072 --> 00:10:20.175
- According to a friend of his,
- 00:10:20.175 --> 00:10:23.044
- His vertebra were about a quarte
- 00:10:23.044 --> 00:10:25.814
- To a half inch dis aligned.
- 00:10:25.814 --> 00:10:29.284
- The pain was excruciating and possibly had pinched a nerve
- 00:10:29.284 --> 00:10:34.022
- Dave mac crime i want crime onli
- 00:10:34.022 --> 00:10:35.757
- Isn't it true that he confided t
- 00:10:35.757 --> 00:10:39.194
- And his co-chair on the 40th floor of a hawaii
- 00:10:39.194 --> 00:10:43.231
- Highrise that he couldn't have s because of back pain?
- 00:10:43.231 --> 00:10:47.469
- It's a constant, agonizing feeli
- 00:10:47.469 --> 00:10:50.004
- He had all the time, and talking
- 00:10:50.004 --> 00:10:52.273
- Not being able to have sex was just a way of him expressing
- 00:10:52.273 --> 00:10:56.077
- This was a chronic situation with no relief in sight.
- 00:10:56.077 --> 00:10:59.547
- It's like rusting from the insid
- 00:10:59.547 --> 00:11:01.416
- Nancy is joining me. just got mo
- 00:11:01.416 --> 00:11:04.119
- Professor, forensics, jacksonville state un
- 00:11:04.119 --> 00:11:07.088
- Death
- 00:11:07.322 --> 00:11:08.323
- Investigator, author of blood beneath my feet
- 00:11:08.323 --> 00:11:11.059
- And host of body bags with josep scott morgan.
- 00:11:11.059 --> 00:11:14.596
- Joe scott.
- 00:11:14.596 --> 00:11:15.930
- Explain the intense pain.
- 00:11:15.930 --> 00:11:19.534
- Intense pain that comes along wi ailment like that
- 00:11:19.534 --> 00:11:24.439
- And how that factors in to a you 26 years old.
- 00:11:24.439 --> 00:11:28.676
- They can't have sex.
- 00:11:28.676 --> 00:11:30.678
- Yeah, it would be horribly frust nancy, over this period of time.
- 00:11:30.678 --> 00:11:34.415
- And you can see the, the horrific appearance of this,
- 00:11:34.415 --> 00:11:38.686
- The surgery in and of itself is that he would have been laid up
- 00:11:38.686 --> 00:11:42.457
- With for a protracted period of
- 00:11:42.457 --> 00:11:44.826
- We've got four screws that are being demonstrated here
- 00:11:44.826 --> 00:11:48.096
- And this is a crucial pivot poin in your, the axis of your body.
- 00:11:48.096 --> 00:11:53.701
- So he would have been dealing wi pain.
- 00:11:53.701 --> 00:11:56.137
- Nancy, one of the things i'm wondering
- 00:11:56.137 --> 00:11:58.540
- And i talked to bethany about th air, i really wonder
- 00:11:58.540 --> 00:12:02.010
- If he was taking medication, for pain management relative to
- 00:12:02.010 --> 00:12:06.748
- Because this is not something that would have,
- 00:12:06.748 --> 00:12:11.085
- Just, you know, he would have ju from it very easily.
- 00:12:11.085 --> 00:12:14.589
- We have to understand how far post-surgical he is to try to un
- 00:12:14.589 --> 00:12:19.460
- This was he under the influence of any kind of medication?
- 00:12:19.460 --> 00:12:23.464
- And did he even have a doctor that he was fired up?
- 00:12:23.464 --> 00:12:26.701
- I know where you're going with t
- 00:12:27.335 --> 00:12:29.737
- This is like pouring gas on the for jason ocean, his defense att
- 00:12:29.737 --> 00:12:34.943
- Whether he was on pain meds or not, does not change
- 00:12:34.943 --> 00:12:39.948
- Intent to fire the weapon.
- 00:12:39.948 --> 00:12:42.984
- He is currently charged with at least three crimes
- 00:12:42.984 --> 00:12:46.287
- One murder, two in new york.
- 00:12:46.287 --> 00:12:49.724
- Why not murder one, murder one in new york?
- 00:12:49.724 --> 00:12:52.193
- Correct me if i'm wrong, jason o murder one is usually reserved f
- 00:12:52.193 --> 00:12:57.131
- A police officer or a correction that has been killed.
- 00:12:57.131 --> 00:13:01.836
- Torture is used.
- 00:13:02.237 --> 00:13:03.738
- That's when we see a murder one charged with murder one.
- 00:13:03.738 --> 00:13:07.942
- Yeah. you can get life without p
- 00:13:07.942 --> 00:13:10.478
- Murder two.
- 00:13:10.478 --> 00:13:11.579
- Jason place. i don't mind if you interrupt.
- 00:13:11.579 --> 00:13:13.715
- Murder two is when you intend to do the act
- 00:13:13.715 --> 00:13:17.085
- It's not an accident.
- 00:13:17.085 --> 00:13:18.019
- It's not drunk driving.
- 00:13:18.019 --> 00:13:19.287
- It's not voluntary manslaughter. it's not heat of p
- 00:13:19.287 --> 00:13:22.257
- You mean to pull the trigger? ma
- 00:13:22.257 --> 00:13:25.426
- But there is a.
- 00:13:25.426 --> 00:13:27.528
- Yes. the,
- 00:13:27.829 --> 00:13:29.764
- Sentence for murder two in new york is 15
- 00:13:29.764 --> 00:13:34.135
- There is no life without parole for murder two.
- 00:13:34.135 --> 00:13:37.238
- He's charged with that.
- 00:13:37.238 --> 00:13:38.506
- He's charged with forging.
- 00:13:38.506 --> 00:13:41.509
- And that's probably going to be his passpor
- 00:13:41.509 --> 00:13:44.512
- And he's charged.
- 00:13:44.512 --> 00:13:45.780
- That is called, forged document, the passport or the driver's lic
- 00:13:45.780 --> 00:13:50.518
- And he's charged. yeah, yeah, ye
- 00:13:50.518 --> 00:13:53.788
- Charged with
- 00:13:53.788 --> 00:13:56.057
- One count of criminal possession of a weap
- 00:13:56.057 --> 00:14:01.829
- Including a suppressor, a silenc
- 00:14:01.829 --> 00:14:04.499
- And i believe he's going to be c
- 00:14:04.499 --> 00:14:08.303
- With possession of live ammo and
- 00:14:08.303 --> 00:14:12.707
- Also, he had a weapon without a serial number on it.
- 00:14:12.707 --> 00:14:17.211
- We know it was a ghost gun now, and unless i'm wrong on those ch
- 00:14:17.211 --> 00:14:21.816
- Jason, do i have any of that wrong? qui
- 00:14:21.816 --> 00:14:24.485
- No. you you you.
- 00:14:24.485 --> 00:14:25.520
- Great recitation.
- 00:14:25.520 --> 00:14:26.521
- The top count, would be, murder
- 00:14:26.521 --> 00:14:29.624
- You know, murder one,
- 00:14:29.624 --> 00:14:30.892
- Referred, as you did, reference only to law enforcement officers
- 00:14:30.892 --> 00:14:34.462
- Joe scott morgan is talking abou
- 00:14:34.462 --> 00:14:36.297
- Is he on pain medication?
- 00:14:36.297 --> 00:14:38.132
- You know what? yeah.
- 00:14:38.132 --> 00:14:39.233
- Save it for the jury because he had this intense, int
- 00:14:39.233 --> 00:14:44.038
- Period of time and extended peri where he planned this,
- 00:14:44.038 --> 00:14:48.843
- And there is no way he is going because he says, oh, i took a xa
- 00:14:48.843 --> 00:14:54.148
- He may have been on pain medicat although we have not been told
- 00:14:54.148 --> 00:14:57.385
- He had it with him.
- 00:14:57.385 --> 00:14:58.653
- We know he was exploring alterna methods of healing and pain reli
- 00:14:58.653 --> 00:15:03.024
- Such as magic mushrooms, but he had the wherewithal
- 00:15:03.024 --> 00:15:08.663
- To have a gun with him and a fake passport,
- 00:15:08.663 --> 00:15:12.834
- According to the nyc police commissioner tisch.
- 00:15:12.834 --> 00:15:16.571
- Responding officers questioned the suspect, who was acting susp
- 00:15:16.571 --> 00:15:20.975
- And was carrying multiple fraudu as well as a u.s.
- 00:15:20.975 --> 00:15:25.279
- Passport.
- 00:15:25.279 --> 00:15:26.681
- Upon further investigation, offi recovered a firearm on his perso
- 00:15:26.681 --> 00:15:31.519
- As well as a suppressor, both co with the weapon used in the murd
- 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:36.758
- They also recovered clothing, including a mask
- 00:15:36.758 --> 00:15:39.660
- Consistent with those worn by our wanted in
- 00:15:39.660 --> 00:15:45.001
- Consistent with those worn by our wanted in
- 00:15:45.001 --> 00:15:45.268
- Bombshell.
- 00:15:45.568 --> 00:15:46.836
- In the last hours, an arrest goe down of the so-called assassin w
- 00:15:46.836 --> 00:15:52.409
- And the cold blooded execution
- 00:15:52.409 --> 00:15:55.645
- Of health care boss that ran
- 00:15:55.645 --> 00:15:59.416
- United health care, raking in millions of dollars a
- 00:15:59.416 --> 00:16:04.020
- While zany theories circulated on social media
- 00:16:04.020 --> 00:16:07.624
- That, thompson had actually hire someone to kill him, there were
- 00:16:07.624 --> 00:16:13.863
- That thompson's wife was somehow and had set up a hit.
- 00:16:13.863 --> 00:16:19.135
- All of that is bogus.
- 00:16:19.636 --> 00:16:21.871
- All of that is b.s.
- 00:16:21.871 --> 00:16:23.840
- Instead, what we've got is a 26
- 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:27.944
- Ivy league grad, double
- 00:16:28.445 --> 00:16:30.814
- Major from university of pennsyl
- 00:16:30.814 --> 00:16:33.883
- Yeah. that's him.
- 00:16:33.883 --> 00:16:35.418
- If you look at his social media, he and his family
- 00:16:35.418 --> 00:16:38.788
- Have traveled all around the wor
- 00:16:38.788 --> 00:16:42.325
- They had the best of everything.
- 00:16:42.325 --> 00:16:45.295
- His grandparents, italian immigr they can be traced back straight
- 00:16:45.295 --> 00:16:50.166
- To sicily, work their fingers to to build a financial empire,
- 00:16:50.166 --> 00:16:55.972
- Bought country clubs, golf cours started them, home
- 00:16:55.972 --> 00:17:00.009
- Health care, living facilities for seniors.
- 00:17:00.009 --> 00:17:04.147
- All that money, all that educati all that privilege.
- 00:17:05.181 --> 00:17:08.451
- And what does he do?
- 00:17:08.451 --> 00:17:10.420
- According to police guns down
- 00:17:10.420 --> 00:17:14.190
- Unitedhealthcare ceo and boy, according to them,
- 00:17:14.190 --> 00:17:18.928
- Did he have it all planned out,
- 00:17:18.928 --> 00:17:22.198
- Including the use of a3d manufac at home ghost gun?
- 00:17:22.198 --> 00:17:29.105
- No serial number, no way to iden
- 00:17:29.105 --> 00:17:33.977
- As a matter of fact, if you do your research, you will learn th
- 00:17:33.977 --> 00:17:37.147
- Ghost guns are only traced less than 1% of the time.
- 00:17:37.147 --> 00:17:43.186
- He thought he had it all figured
- 00:17:43.186 --> 00:17:46.089
- Until until an elderly patron
- 00:17:46.089 --> 00:17:48.892
- Having coffee at mcdonald's
- 00:17:48.892 --> 00:17:52.195
- Saw him and raised the alarm.
- 00:17:52.195 --> 00:17:55.798
- What more do we now listen?
- 00:17:55.798 --> 00:17:57.901
- Also recovered was a fraudulent
- 00:17:57.901 --> 00:18:00.136
- New jersey id matching the id su
- 00:18:00.136 --> 00:18:03.907
- Used to check into his new york hostel before the shooting incid
- 00:18:03.907 --> 00:18:09.946
- Additionally, officers recovered a handwritten document
- 00:18:09.946 --> 00:18:13.983
- That speaks to both his motivati and mindset.
- 00:18:13.983 --> 00:18:18.188
- Oh my stars, another man esto.
- 00:18:18.188 --> 00:18:23.626
- Nothing can make me happier than to have an accused
- 00:18:23.626 --> 00:18:26.496
- Killer write a manifesto about their fe
- 00:18:26.496 --> 00:18:29.966
- Joining me, doctor bethany marsh
- 00:18:29.966 --> 00:18:32.302
- Renowned psychoanalyst joining u out of la, author of deal breake
- 00:18:32.302 --> 00:18:36.172
- You can see her now on peacock.
- 00:18:36.172 --> 00:18:37.440
- Doctor bethany, thank you for being with us.
- 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:39.409
- We hear,
- 00:18:39.409 --> 00:18:41.044
- Veteran trial lawyer jason
- 00:18:41.611 --> 00:18:43.546
- Ocean's jumping on something just got morgan rightly said.
- 00:18:43.546 --> 00:18:47.717
- Could this guy have been on pain
- 00:18:47.717 --> 00:18:50.186
- But did you just hear the new yo police commissioner, tish, state
- 00:18:50.186 --> 00:18:54.591
- That he had this very well thought out manifesto?
- 00:18:54.591 --> 00:18:59.362
- He had fake ids.
- 00:18:59.362 --> 00:19:01.297
- The degree of preplanning is off the chart now.
- 00:19:01.297 --> 00:19:04.701
- Why he decided to keep his belov ghost gun with him,
- 00:19:04.701 --> 00:19:08.838
- Which absolutely ties him to the murder, is beyond me.
- 00:19:08.838 --> 00:19:12.675
- I guess that ivy league grads, i
- 00:19:12.675 --> 00:19:14.744
- Graduate degree from university of pennsylvania
- 00:19:14.744 --> 00:19:16.913
- Didn't help anything when it comes to this.
- 00:19:16.913 --> 00:19:19.015
- Hey, this photo of the fake id that he apparently obtained
- 00:19:19.015 --> 00:19:22.719
- From new jersey under the name mark rosario, that's took some t
- 00:19:22.719 --> 00:19:26.456
- From our friends at cnn.
- 00:19:26.456 --> 00:19:28.992
- So, doctor bethany, could you help me shoot down wha
- 00:19:28.992 --> 00:19:33.096
- Joe, scott morgan and jason oceans have con
- 00:19:33.096 --> 00:19:36.432
- I took it, i took a xanax, and t i didn't know what i was doing.
- 00:19:36.432 --> 00:19:40.403
- Well, luigi mangione, his action are consistent with multiple pat
- 00:19:40.403 --> 00:19:45.842
- Psychopath allergies.
- 00:19:45.842 --> 00:19:47.343
- First of all, he's extraordinarily entitled
- 00:19:47.343 --> 00:19:50.246
- To think that he could solve the whole health care crisis.
- 00:19:50.246 --> 00:19:53.883
- But he's he's going to get rid of these parrot parasites.
- 00:19:53.883 --> 00:19:57.287
- He's anti-capitalist.
- 00:19:57.287 --> 00:19:58.888
- He's also theory, that's grandio
- 00:19:58.888 --> 00:20:01.791
- It's entitled to take somebody's
- 00:20:01.791 --> 00:20:04.394
- I don't believe this whole thing about the relative who was sick.
- 00:20:04.394 --> 00:20:07.463
- I think that's just a rationaliz for murder.
- 00:20:07.463 --> 00:20:10.066
- I think he's been homicidal since his youth.
- 00:20:10.066 --> 00:20:12.702
- He wears what we call the mask o
- 00:20:12.702 --> 00:20:15.405
- And know on. hold on.
- 00:20:15.405 --> 00:20:17.073
- Let me see.
- 00:20:17.073 --> 00:20:17.674
- You're doctor
- 00:20:17.674 --> 00:20:18.641
- Bethany just brought up a really good point,
- 00:20:18.641 --> 00:20:20.310
- And i don't want it to get lost in the sauce.
- 00:20:20.310 --> 00:20:22.545
- People are trying to rationalize
- 00:20:22.545 --> 00:20:24.480
- They can't believe, what's a mil
- 00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:27.183
- A boy like, luigi mangione with his ivy league deg
- 00:20:27.183 --> 00:20:32.955
- Why would he do such a thing?
- 00:20:32.955 --> 00:20:34.691
- You know, nobody gives it that much though
- 00:20:34.691 --> 00:20:37.126
- When it's street crime, you're like, hey, book him.
- 00:20:37.126 --> 00:20:40.129
- He's guilty.
- 00:20:40.129 --> 00:20:40.997
- But now we're like, why did he d
- 00:20:40.997 --> 00:20:44.400
- I think, actually, there's a cle
- 00:20:45.034 --> 00:20:47.470
- And to me, he has the type.
- 00:20:47.470 --> 00:20:49.739
- Or he would be consistent with the type of psychopathology
- 00:20:49.739 --> 00:20:52.842
- Where the person attacks the very institutions and people
- 00:20:52.842 --> 00:20:56.512
- Who are trying to help them.
- 00:20:56.512 --> 00:20:58.181
- Okay, so think of the person in a rest
- 00:20:58.181 --> 00:21:00.316
- Who screams at the waiter who's trying to do everything fo
- 00:21:00.316 --> 00:21:03.519
- They they just think they can't service.
- 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:06.255
- He's maybe like people.
- 00:21:06.255 --> 00:21:08.091
- So he's anti-capitalist,
- 00:21:08.091 --> 00:21:10.126
- But he comes from a very wealthy from whom he spent a rate.
- 00:21:10.126 --> 00:21:14.230
- How can you be anti-capitalist
- 00:21:14.230 --> 00:21:17.100
- When you were at the trough of c
- 00:21:17.100 --> 00:21:20.803
- Exactly. eat up more than anybod
- 00:21:20.803 --> 00:21:23.740
- You're a pig.
- 00:21:23.740 --> 00:21:25.308
- Yeah, well, pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered.
- 00:21:25.308 --> 00:21:28.311
- In other words,
- 00:21:28.311 --> 00:21:29.579
- People who want more and more an it never works out well for them
- 00:21:29.579 --> 00:21:33.082
- And also, you know, he he has this, ivy league educatio
- 00:21:33.082 --> 00:21:37.186
- He's also anti medicine. anti in
- 00:21:37.186 --> 00:21:40.456
- I bet he built i bet insurance covered for that
- 00:21:40.456 --> 00:21:43.993
- Very extensive procedure that he
- 00:21:43.993 --> 00:21:47.029
- So this again is where he's atta institutions that are there to h
- 00:21:47.029 --> 00:21:51.934
- So some people's pathology is su that they always think
- 00:21:51.934 --> 00:21:55.405
- Things are being done to them rather than for them.
- 00:21:55.405 --> 00:21:59.475
- And when these people go to the they think the doctors, the nurs
- 00:21:59.475 --> 00:22:02.712
- Everybody's, you know, torturing not giving them what they need.
- 00:22:02.712 --> 00:22:06.516
- And they have a difficult time putting themselves in the doctor
- 00:22:06.516 --> 00:22:10.253
- The fact that the doctor is there to help them
- 00:22:10.253 --> 00:22:13.356
- In terms of medication, nancy, the only role i could see
- 00:22:13.356 --> 00:22:18.828
- Is that opioids and most surely he was prescribe
- 00:22:18.828 --> 00:22:22.098
- Those activate the mu receptors in the brain an
- 00:22:22.098 --> 00:22:26.836
- Those same receptors that are ac when our mothers told us as chil
- 00:22:26.836 --> 00:22:31.174
- So given that.
- 00:22:31.507 --> 00:22:32.775
- Doctor bethany white just a moment, please.
- 00:22:32.775 --> 00:22:35.144
- Look, we're showing photos of hi on the beach in hawaii.
- 00:22:35.144 --> 00:22:39.148
- Okay?
- 00:22:39.382 --> 00:22:40.416
- I don't know who can, i work eve
- 00:22:40.416 --> 00:22:44.086
- My husband works every day.
- 00:22:44.086 --> 00:22:45.955
- My twins go to school every day, and they work in the summer.
- 00:22:45.955 --> 00:22:48.925
- Who has time to take this much t
- 00:22:48.925 --> 00:22:53.729
- In hawaii and live in a luxury h
- 00:22:53.729 --> 00:22:57.300
- How does that happen?
- 00:22:57.300 --> 00:22:58.601
- Yeah, your anti-capitalist. what
- 00:22:58.601 --> 00:23:01.537
- That doesn't make sense to me.
- 00:23:01.537 --> 00:23:02.772
- 2 or 2 is about four.
- 00:23:02.772 --> 00:23:05.408
- No, it doesn't equal four.
- 00:23:05.408 --> 00:23:06.876
- And lest you think of somebody who is extremely disturbed
- 00:23:06.876 --> 00:23:10.279
- And they are resentful and envious of the people
- 00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:12.815
- Who are giving something to them think of babies.
- 00:23:12.815 --> 00:23:15.351
- The minute the mother leaves the
- 00:23:15.351 --> 00:23:16.786
- The baby screams and cries and wants the mother even more.
- 00:23:16.786 --> 00:23:20.389
- And that's appropriate for infan
- 00:23:21.023 --> 00:23:22.992
- But the baby doesn't really care or is not able to grasp.
- 00:23:22.992 --> 00:23:26.829
- But the mother might be tired or depressed or whatever.
- 00:23:26.829 --> 00:23:29.899
- Has other siblings to take care
- 00:23:29.899 --> 00:23:32.502
- And so if someone gets stuck in that developmental phase,
- 00:23:32.502 --> 00:23:36.939
- Nothing that they're given is en and they don't care about anybod
- 00:23:36.939 --> 00:23:41.010
- Around them.
- 00:23:41.010 --> 00:23:42.044
- They scream and cry for whatever they want.
- 00:23:42.044 --> 00:23:45.047
- In high school, he is the valedi of the gilman school for boys.
- 00:23:45.047 --> 00:23:48.451
- A private school in baltimore. as an ivy league.
- 00:23:48.451 --> 00:23:51.020
- Graduate of the university of pennsylvania, he is a tech wh
- 00:23:51.020 --> 00:23:54.323
- But somewhere along the way, lui
- 00:23:54.323 --> 00:23:56.025
- Mangione developed a grudge against the medical community, e
- 00:23:56.025 --> 00:23:59.395
- Due to how a sick relative is tr or maybe his own treatment.
- 00:23:59.395 --> 00:24:03.099
- An x ray photo on his x account shows four pins in a spine,
- 00:24:03.099 --> 00:24:06.402
- And he has five books involving chronic back pain on his reading
- 00:24:06.402 --> 00:24:09.539
- On his goodreads account.
- 00:24:09.539 --> 00:24:12.009
- On his goodreads account.
- 00:24:12.009 --> 00:24:13.111
- So the
- 00:24:13.311 --> 00:24:14.178
- Class of 2016 not only explored new fr
- 00:24:14.178 --> 00:24:16.781
- But also maintained gilman's most important traditions.
- 00:24:16.781 --> 00:24:21.719
- I think this combination
- 00:24:22.253 --> 00:24:23.354
- Of preservation and exploration is becoming is a
- 00:24:23.354 --> 00:24:26.958
- Gilman maintains its classic cor
- 00:24:27.592 --> 00:24:29.260
- By cultivating minds, body and spirit and students,
- 00:24:29.260 --> 00:24:32.564
- But also champions and environme and acceptance and diversity
- 00:24:32.564 --> 00:24:36.067
- While excelling in his technological endeavors.
- 00:24:36.067 --> 00:24:39.203
- Our imagination draws mere inspi
- 00:24:39.203 --> 00:24:42.540
- And our courage largely depends on your encourag
- 00:24:42.540 --> 00:24:45.076
- In the classroom, on the fields, and on the stage.
- 00:24:45.076 --> 00:24:48.646
- The the parents and faculty.
- 00:24:48.646 --> 00:24:51.282
- Thank you for all you have done
- 00:24:51.282 --> 00:24:53.618
- Today is as much of achievement as it is for us.
- 00:24:53.618 --> 00:24:57.021
- That is from the gilman school, which is a private college
- 00:24:58.156 --> 00:25:01.292
- Preparatory school for boys only
- 00:25:01.292 --> 00:25:04.495
- I think over 40 grand a year.
- 00:25:04.495 --> 00:25:07.599
- I guarantee you he wasn't busing to pay that tuition bill.
- 00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:11.736
- You know, cheryl mccollum.
- 00:25:12.303 --> 00:25:14.172
- Joining me, forensic expert and street cop.
- 00:25:14.172 --> 00:25:18.610
- Cheryl.
- 00:25:18.843 --> 00:25:19.911
- So often when we prosecute
- 00:25:19.911 --> 00:25:22.680
- And investigate crimes, we see the defendant.
- 00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:25.783
- And this is not an excuse at all
- 00:25:25.783 --> 00:25:29.554
- Comes from low income,
- 00:25:30.021 --> 00:25:32.857
- A low education or no education?
- 00:25:32.857 --> 00:25:36.227
- No job.
- 00:25:36.461 --> 00:25:37.996
- And they end up committing crime
- 00:25:37.996 --> 00:25:41.699
- That's not an excuse.
- 00:25:41.699 --> 00:25:42.867
- There is no justification for a violent crime, period.
- 00:25:42.867 --> 00:25:46.004
- But rarely do you see an ivy lea
- 00:25:46.004 --> 00:25:51.576
- With multimillionaire
- 00:25:51.576 --> 00:25:54.545
- Family members commit a crime li
- 00:25:54.545 --> 00:25:58.549
- And even more rare is when the f
- 00:25:58.549 --> 00:26:02.520
- Now true, he had a hawai'i viola
- 00:26:02.520 --> 00:26:06.691
- Of going into some part of a pub that was closed off to the publi
- 00:26:06.691 --> 00:26:10.328
- That's it.
- 00:26:10.328 --> 00:26:12.463
- You rarely see someone go from 0
- 00:26:12.463 --> 00:26:14.999
- To 120 mph, a premeditated murde
- 00:26:14.999 --> 00:26:18.903
- So you got the silver spoon and you got the 0 to 120 mph going o
- 00:26:18.903 --> 00:26:24.609
- Well, let's talk about what else
- 00:26:25.243 --> 00:26:26.678
- You got intelligent versus stree which he doesn't have any,
- 00:26:26.678 --> 00:26:30.515
- Which is the reason he was caugh
- 00:26:30.515 --> 00:26:32.316
- If you look and you think of back pain, imag
- 00:26:32.316 --> 00:26:36.587
- Severe back pain that you're hun right in the manifest.
- 00:26:36.587 --> 00:26:40.291
- So you're hunched over building a ghost gun.
- 00:26:40.291 --> 00:26:43.294
- Your hands over white, no bullet
- 00:26:43.294 --> 00:26:46.064
- You decide to take a bus, which is going to take you four
- 00:26:46.064 --> 00:26:49.901
- As long as you if you drove your and then you're going to hop on
- 00:26:49.901 --> 00:26:54.072
- A freaking bicycle.
- 00:26:54.072 --> 00:26:55.373
- It doesn't look like back pain t
- 00:26:55.373 --> 00:26:57.742
- It looked like his motive is clearly in his min
- 00:26:57.742 --> 00:27:03.648
- Only in my opinion.
- 00:27:03.648 --> 00:27:07.185
- Well, true, he may have been, dr
- 00:27:07.819 --> 00:27:10.154
- To distraction by the back pain.
- 00:27:10.154 --> 00:27:13.224
- We know that.
- 00:27:13.224 --> 00:27:14.425
- But murder is not.
- 00:27:14.425 --> 00:27:17.495
- Murder is not the answer.
- 00:27:17.495 --> 00:27:19.597
- We were listening to you, luigi
- 00:27:19.597 --> 00:27:23.434
- As the valedictorian at the gilm
- 00:27:23.434 --> 00:27:26.304
- Speaking about all the values that the gilman school maintains
- 00:27:26.304 --> 00:27:31.275
- This guy came from so much privi
- 00:27:31.275 --> 00:27:34.846
- Listen.
- 00:27:34.846 --> 00:27:36.080
- The suspected killer of unitedhe ceo brian.
- 00:27:36.080 --> 00:27:38.549
- Thompson comes from a wealthy, e connected maryland family.
- 00:27:38.549 --> 00:27:42.720
- His grandfather grew.
- 00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:43.988
- Up poor as a first generation american who built a real estate
- 00:27:43.988 --> 00:27:47.225
- That includes country clubs and media investments.
- 00:27:47.225 --> 00:27:49.694
- Mangione is the cousin
- 00:27:49.694 --> 00:27:50.995
- Of republican maryland house of delegates member nino m
- 00:27:50.995 --> 00:27:54.332
- His mother, kathleen zunino mangione, owns a travel company,
- 00:27:54.332 --> 00:27:58.035
- And his sister, maria santa mangione, is a respected d
- 00:27:58.035 --> 00:28:01.539
- A medical resident at ut southwe
- 00:28:01.539 --> 00:28:03.875
- Medical center in dallas.
- 00:28:03.875 --> 00:28:05.042
- After graduating from vanderbilt medical school t
- 00:28:05.042 --> 00:28:09.010
- Right now, the information we're getting from altoona is that the
- 00:28:09.258 --> 00:28:12.060
- You know, appears to be a ghost may have been made on a 3d print
- 00:28:12.060 --> 00:28:17.065
- The capability to file a firing millimeter round, obviously,
- 00:28:17.065 --> 00:28:19.935
- That will come out during our ballistics testing.
- 00:28:19.935 --> 00:28:22.004
- Joining me, an all star panel, but now straight out to tom smit
- 00:28:22.004 --> 00:28:26.074
- Nypd detective, 30 years, now co-host of the gold shields podc
- 00:28:26.074 --> 00:28:31.413
- Tom, i want to talk about the gh
- 00:28:31.413 --> 00:28:34.716
- What's your experience with ghos and guns made from 3d printers?
- 00:28:34.716 --> 00:28:38.387
- You can make one at home.
- 00:28:38.387 --> 00:28:40.289
- You get the parts.
- 00:28:40.289 --> 00:28:42.124
- You can even get them online.
- 00:28:42.124 --> 00:28:43.625
- Hey, here are some photos from our friends at cnn.
- 00:28:43.625 --> 00:28:45.894
- What do you know, tom?
- 00:28:45.894 --> 00:28:47.596
- Yeah, they're they're extremely
- 00:28:47.596 --> 00:28:49.498
- And kind of taking over criminal
- 00:28:49.498 --> 00:28:52.134
- And the way it's done, it's real
- 00:28:52.134 --> 00:28:54.503
- You can buy a 3d printer for any from 300
- 00:28:54.503 --> 00:28:57.372
- To $3000 and literally create.
- 00:28:57.372 --> 00:29:00.542
- This is what i'm holding in fron
- 00:29:00.542 --> 00:29:02.678
- The frame of a nine millimeter.
- 00:29:02.678 --> 00:29:05.214
- You can create this.
- 00:29:05.214 --> 00:29:06.315
- It's polymer, it's plastic.
- 00:29:06.315 --> 00:29:08.450
- And this is what's created in th printers.
- 00:29:08.450 --> 00:29:12.221
- Then you go and just separately
- 00:29:12.221 --> 00:29:15.490
- All the metal parts that you need to make the gun fu
- 00:29:15.490 --> 00:29:19.228
- Those are done and bought in kits or separately.
- 00:29:19.228 --> 00:29:23.065
- And the problem with the ghost g is there's no identifying markin
- 00:29:23.065 --> 00:29:26.935
- There's no serial numbers, there's nothing.
- 00:29:26.935 --> 00:29:29.071
- They are clean.
- 00:29:29.071 --> 00:29:30.239
- And then when you go and buy the parts or the kits,
- 00:29:30.239 --> 00:29:33.308
- Those also have no identifying n on them or serial numbers.
- 00:29:33.308 --> 00:29:38.213
- So that creates a very, very dangerous weapon
- 00:29:38.213 --> 00:29:41.216
- That police cannot trace when a crime was committed.
- 00:29:41.216 --> 00:29:45.888
- Now generally
- 00:29:46.255 --> 00:29:47.389
- Speaking, firearms are manufactu by licensed companies
- 00:29:47.389 --> 00:29:50.759
- And they all have serial numbers displayed on the frame of the gu
- 00:29:50.759 --> 00:29:54.830
- That allows cops like you to tra back to the manufacturer.
- 00:29:54.830 --> 00:29:59.401
- The firearms dealer and the original purchase are no
- 00:29:59.401 --> 00:30:03.972
- With a ghost gun. tom.
- 00:30:03.972 --> 00:30:06.275
- No, they're they're absolutely untraceable.
- 00:30:06.275 --> 00:30:08.810
- There's no identifying markings on them whatsoever.
- 00:30:08.810 --> 00:30:12.247
- So even if you commit the crime with it, a discarded, it's
- 00:30:12.247 --> 00:30:15.717
- Still not going to come back to if it's recovered,
- 00:30:15.717 --> 00:30:18.453
- Much less in this instance, catching him with it.
- 00:30:18.453 --> 00:30:21.356
- There's no traceable evidence to to where it came from, who manuf
- 00:30:21.356 --> 00:30:25.961
- Or anything.
- 00:30:25.961 --> 00:30:27.229
- It's going to be strictly on his statements of having that gun on
- 00:30:27.229 --> 00:30:32.100
- You know, tom smith, i don't know about you, but,
- 00:30:32.100 --> 00:30:34.836
- Not out loud to a jury, of cours but sometimes i wonder
- 00:30:34.836 --> 00:30:38.373
- Who is going about their day and they suddenly think, hey,
- 00:30:38.373 --> 00:30:43.712
- I'm going to go online and i'm going to get the parts t
- 00:30:43.712 --> 00:30:47.449
- Build a ghost gun with a silence ak suppressor.
- 00:30:47.449 --> 00:30:52.254
- Who, has time to think about
- 00:30:52.854 --> 00:30:55.924
- Building their own gun with the 3d printer.
- 00:30:55.924 --> 00:30:59.294
- Thinks about a suppressor ak sil
- 00:30:59.294 --> 00:31:02.531
- Who does that?
- 00:31:02.531 --> 00:31:04.166
- Why not just you have to have a
- 00:31:04.166 --> 00:31:06.601
- Why don't you just go down to th and buy one?
- 00:31:06.601 --> 00:31:09.905
- I mean, i think i know the answe but let me hear you tell it.
- 00:31:09.905 --> 00:31:13.175
- Yeah, it's just it's another aspect of crim
- 00:31:13.175 --> 00:31:16.345
- And it's dangerous and it's it's a horrible heartbr
- 00:31:16.345 --> 00:31:20.015
- For what's going on in this coun with untraceable weapons.
- 00:31:20.015 --> 00:31:23.485
- It's just constant.
- 00:31:23.485 --> 00:31:24.953
- And the thing that you just said you can make this gun and put it
- 00:31:24.953 --> 00:31:30.192
- In a couple hours.
- 00:31:30.192 --> 00:31:31.560
- By the time it's dried, and you' to break it apart in a couple of
- 00:31:31.560 --> 00:31:35.831
- If you have the mechanical parts already in your possession.
- 00:31:35.831 --> 00:31:40.502
- You can get these online and put them together at home.
- 00:31:40.502 --> 00:31:44.973
- How hard is it, tom?
- 00:31:44.973 --> 00:31:46.942
- It's not hard at all.
- 00:31:47.442 --> 00:31:48.477
- I mean, look at the internet tod
- 00:31:48.477 --> 00:31:49.845
- You can build anything.
- 00:31:49.845 --> 00:31:51.513
- The it's step by step.
- 00:31:51.513 --> 00:31:53.015
- All you gotta do is watch a vide
- 00:31:53.015 --> 00:31:54.883
- And, you know, the first one was back around, i think around 2013
- 00:31:54.883 --> 00:31:59.588
- And look how they have taken ove
- 00:31:59.588 --> 00:32:01.390
- Tom smith.
- 00:32:01.390 --> 00:32:03.458
- Oh, yeah. you idiot.
- 00:32:03.458 --> 00:32:04.693
- Then now it's not even handguns.
- 00:32:04.693 --> 00:32:06.895
- It's long guns as well.
- 00:32:06.895 --> 00:32:08.263
- You can get, you know, the the receivers to this made.
- 00:32:08.263 --> 00:32:11.867
- And then by the other parts to a now an ar or anything like that.
- 00:32:11.867 --> 00:32:16.538
- It's taking on a world of its ow which is really dangerous.
- 00:32:16.538 --> 00:32:20.609
- Rahmani on rodriguez joining us.
- 00:32:21.243 --> 00:32:23.612
- Chief u.s.
- 00:32:23.612 --> 00:32:24.346
- Reporter for dailymail.com roman
- 00:32:24.346 --> 00:32:27.182
- With all the the pre-planning,
- 00:32:27.182 --> 00:32:30.118
- The meticulous,
- 00:32:30.118 --> 00:32:32.821
- Visiting the scene, going to a h under a fake name, getting a fak
- 00:32:32.821 --> 00:32:37.526
- Jersey id, getting a fake passpo wearing a mask everywhere,
- 00:32:37.526 --> 00:32:42.230
- His getaway on the bike, going t central park, changing clothes.
- 00:32:42.230 --> 00:32:46.735
- It's almost out of a james bond
- 00:32:46.735 --> 00:32:49.638
- Except he kept the ghost gun.
- 00:32:49.638 --> 00:32:53.975
- He kept the passport, he kept th
- 00:32:53.975 --> 00:32:57.045
- He kept about $10,000, which he contests cash with him.
- 00:32:57.045 --> 00:33:00.982
- And foreign currency.
- 00:33:00.982 --> 00:33:02.851
- Is it true he still had the ghost gun on hi
- 00:33:02.851 --> 00:33:06.922
- Correct.
- 00:33:07.189 --> 00:33:08.256
- That's one of the interesting th about these cases.
- 00:33:08.256 --> 00:33:10.659
- He did go through so much prepar he made several mistakes
- 00:33:10.659 --> 00:33:14.963
- That got him caught.
- 00:33:14.963 --> 00:33:16.098
- The first one, of course,
- 00:33:16.098 --> 00:33:17.365
- Being when he pulled down his ma to flirt with an employee at the
- 00:33:17.365 --> 00:33:21.770
- That's how police were able to g image, which eventually led to h
- 00:33:21.770 --> 00:33:26.575
- And as you mentioned, he had on him at the time of his
- 00:33:26.575 --> 00:33:30.679
- All these clues that then, aside from his face,
- 00:33:30.679 --> 00:33:33.515
- Of course, made it clear to poli that this was their guy.
- 00:33:33.515 --> 00:33:36.818
- I mean, he kept the same id the already had issued a picture of,
- 00:33:36.818 --> 00:33:41.456
- Because the hospital had a pictu fake id from new jersey.
- 00:33:41.456 --> 00:33:44.759
- He also had the same exact weapo as well as the silencer.
- 00:33:44.759 --> 00:33:49.331
- Nancy. so yeah, a lot of prepara
- 00:33:49.331 --> 00:33:52.767
- But there were several
- 00:33:52.767 --> 00:33:53.969
- Things that he overlooked which eventually led to his demi
- 00:33:53.969 --> 00:33:57.506
- I mean, think about it.
- 00:33:57.506 --> 00:33:58.340
- Sure, mccollum explained.
- 00:33:58.340 --> 00:33:59.741
- It's not hard to break down a gu
- 00:33:59.741 --> 00:34:02.110
- Oh, the photos of the gun are from our friends at scene.
- 00:34:02.110 --> 00:34:04.179
- And, cheryl,
- 00:34:04.179 --> 00:34:05.447
- If he could put the gun together he couldn't think to break it do
- 00:34:05.447 --> 00:34:08.850
- Various parts of it in bodies of different trash cans along his b
- 00:34:08.850 --> 00:34:13.655
- He was proud of this gun.
- 00:34:13.655 --> 00:34:15.891
- He made it.
- 00:34:15.891 --> 00:34:17.125
- He took the time to get the plan the equipment, to get all the ma
- 00:34:17.125 --> 00:34:22.797
- He was never going to throw that
- 00:34:22.797 --> 00:34:25.500
- This is something that means mor than the average person could un
- 00:34:25.500 --> 00:34:30.739
- It is also associated with the b thing is ever going to do in his
- 00:34:30.739 --> 00:34:34.943
- He's proud of that moment.
- 00:34:34.943 --> 00:34:37.345
- If you look at again what he did
- 00:34:37.345 --> 00:34:40.015
- That he took day in for the ten
- 00:34:40.015 --> 00:34:43.285
- Building the gun, taking a bus r getting the monopoly money
- 00:34:43.285 --> 00:34:47.355
- Right, the manifesto waiting on the vic
- 00:34:47.355 --> 00:34:50.926
- This was not something he planned in a day or week.
- 00:34:50.926 --> 00:34:55.230
- This is something that meant a l
- 00:34:55.864 --> 00:34:59.267
- You know, jason oceans, we are now looking toward extrad
- 00:34:59.267 --> 00:35:04.339
- Extradition?
- 00:35:04.339 --> 00:35:05.607
- I've handled 100 of them.
- 00:35:05.607 --> 00:35:07.242
- They take about ten minutes.
- 00:35:07.242 --> 00:35:09.244
- It's not about finding guilt or
- 00:35:09.244 --> 00:35:11.880
- Extradition.
- 00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:13.148
- It can be from another state, li pennsylvania, in this case to ne
- 00:35:13.148 --> 00:35:16.251
- It can be from mexico or paris t
- 00:35:16.251 --> 00:35:20.355
- If we've got an extradition trea
- 00:35:20.355 --> 00:35:21.823
- But nobody's saying, did you do
- 00:35:21.823 --> 00:35:25.126
- There's no jury trial. it's just very si
- 00:35:25.126 --> 00:35:27.896
- It's a are you luigi mangione, a
- 00:35:27.896 --> 00:35:32.033
- Are you the luigi mangione named
- 00:35:32.033 --> 00:35:35.270
- And this warrant for your arrest
- 00:35:35.270 --> 00:35:37.472
- That's all. it is,
- 00:35:37.472 --> 00:35:39.574
- Right?
- 00:35:39.574 --> 00:35:40.508
- It's just, you have some speedy trial issue
- 00:35:40.508 --> 00:35:42.911
- Issues that come into play in terms of extradition.
- 00:35:43.945 --> 00:35:46.548
- And from the time that you have, you know, a suspect in custody.
- 00:35:46.548 --> 00:35:50.285
- And so that's exactly as you sai that's in play now, simple extra
- 00:35:50.285 --> 00:35:55.023
- Nypd detectives will take him.
- 00:35:55.023 --> 00:35:57.826
- I don't know that he'll object.
- 00:35:57.826 --> 00:35:59.060
- It doesn't make any sense to, just prolongs, the process.
- 00:35:59.060 --> 00:36:02.931
- And they bring him to new york.
- 00:36:02.931 --> 00:36:05.600
- Here's a technical, legal term.
- 00:36:06.234 --> 00:36:07.736
- I don't know if they taught you at your law school, but
- 00:36:07.736 --> 00:36:11.239
- A lot of times in extradition he
- 00:36:11.239 --> 00:36:13.441
- You run into a world class a-hol
- 00:36:13.441 --> 00:36:16.778
- And they just won't agree to ext
- 00:36:16.778 --> 00:36:20.315
- Then rather languish in the, in pennsylvania.
- 00:36:20.315 --> 00:36:24.052
- See, i, in huntington, as oppose to facing the music in new york.
- 00:36:24.052 --> 00:36:29.357
- It's going to happen.
- 00:36:29.357 --> 00:36:31.326
- All you have to do is get a fing and go.
- 00:36:31.326 --> 00:36:33.895
- He's not telling us, but this is luigi mangione and he is luigi m
- 00:36:33.895 --> 00:36:38.933
- And this one, that's that's all it is, is two questio
- 00:36:38.933 --> 00:36:43.104
- But sometimes because a defendan
- 00:36:43.104 --> 00:36:45.907
- A whole technical legal term, they won't agree.
- 00:36:45.907 --> 00:36:49.511
- So you just send them back to th till you get the fingerprint.
- 00:36:49.511 --> 00:36:52.580
- And you say, enjoy your stale sa
- 00:36:52.580 --> 00:36:55.750
- Exactly.
- 00:36:56.017 --> 00:36:56.618
- And you sit in county,
- 00:36:56.618 --> 00:36:58.987
- You're not assigned a prison cel in a group setting.
- 00:36:58.987 --> 00:37:02.724
- You know, at that point, take the extradition and,
- 00:37:02.724 --> 00:37:05.827
- Do you with the notoriety and,
- 00:37:05.827 --> 00:37:07.495
- At least perhaps you'll have you instead of being in group.
- 00:37:07.495 --> 00:37:10.598
- It's about all he's got. looking forward to.
- 00:37:10.598 --> 00:37:12.734
- You are hearing jason oceans, wh handled many, many extradition h
- 00:37:12.734 --> 00:37:17.305
- But now listen to chief of detec joe kenny.
- 00:37:17.305 --> 00:37:21.976
- We're going to have to work that the manhattan district attorney'
- 00:37:21.976 --> 00:37:24.913
- In altoona, pennsylvania.
- 00:37:24.913 --> 00:37:26.247
- He's going to be facing gun char
- 00:37:26.247 --> 00:37:28.550
- And at some point, we'll work out through extraditi
- 00:37:28.550 --> 00:37:30.685
- To bring him back to new york to face charges here,
- 00:37:30.685 --> 00:37:32.620
- Working with the manhattan district attorney's office.
- 00:37:32.620 --> 00:37:36.015
- Working with the manhattan district attorney's office.
- 00:37:36.015 --> 00:37:36.256
- Luigi mangione has been ordered
- 00:37:36.890 --> 00:37:38.859
- Without bail and does not enter his first court appearance and h
- 00:37:38.859 --> 00:37:42.796
- Burg pennsylvania mangione is escorted to his preliminary a
- 00:37:42.796 --> 00:37:46.700
- In handcuffs with multiple polic from different departments
- 00:37:46.700 --> 00:37:50.070
- Walking with him as he is facing five charges, including one felo
- 00:37:50.070 --> 00:37:53.941
- Count of forgery and one felony of carrying a firearm without a
- 00:37:53.941 --> 00:37:57.578
- Mangione is the lone person of i in the brazen murder of united h
- 00:37:57.578 --> 00:38:01.915
- Ceo brian thompson in manhattan but he's not.
- 00:38:01.915 --> 00:38:05.953
- Charged with that crime.
- 00:38:05.953 --> 00:38:07.888
- I'm sure defense attorney jason ocean doesn't want to hear this,
- 00:38:07.888 --> 00:38:11.258
- Just got morgan joining me.
- 00:38:11.258 --> 00:38:12.459
- Professor forensics, he stated very plainly.
- 00:38:12.459 --> 00:38:15.095
- Hey, you know what i respect the
- 00:38:15.095 --> 00:38:17.898
- You guys have done so much for our country.
- 00:38:17.898 --> 00:38:20.067
- Let me just save you some time.
- 00:38:20.067 --> 00:38:21.402
- I acted alone, he's perfectly co
- 00:38:21.402 --> 00:38:24.905
- So just. scott, here's my questi
- 00:38:24.905 --> 00:38:26.940
- What do you think will be the si most important evidence in this
- 00:38:26.940 --> 00:38:31.512
- And i'm guessing it's going to be forensics.
- 00:38:31.512 --> 00:38:34.348
- Yeah, it will be, but i think, maybe in a differen
- 00:38:34.348 --> 00:38:37.484
- It's going to be electronic fore
- 00:38:37.484 --> 00:38:38.986
- So let's think about what we hav going to be tracked.
- 00:38:38.986 --> 00:38:41.889
- Moving along.
- 00:38:41.889 --> 00:38:43.157
- Now that we know who this guy is, his movements on the bus lin
- 00:38:43.157 --> 00:38:46.660
- Did he have multiple phones?
- 00:38:47.261 --> 00:38:48.762
- Did he have an actual phone that had his name attached to it
- 00:38:48.762 --> 00:38:53.233
- As a burner phone that maybe was concurrently with the burner pho
- 00:38:53.233 --> 00:38:58.338
- Also, so we, you know, we haven' a lot about brian, thompson here
- 00:38:58.338 --> 00:39:03.610
- What what did this guy do to sta
- 00:39:04.244 --> 00:39:07.214
- You know, we go back to this idea that he
- 00:39:07.214 --> 00:39:09.883
- He was in manhattan, that he kne he was at this meeting.
- 00:39:09.883 --> 00:39:13.954
- Is his history, digital history going to have a big reveal
- 00:39:13.954 --> 00:39:18.492
- About this relative to him, foll day to day?
- 00:39:18.492 --> 00:39:22.663
- Did he ever actually make any tr minneapolis to kind of inspect t
- 00:39:22.663 --> 00:39:27.468
- That's going to be a big part of this is putting all of this toge
- 00:39:27.468 --> 00:39:31.305
- I think that, yeah, the the ballistics are unique.
- 00:39:31.305 --> 00:39:34.775
- I think if you can even attach i
- 00:39:34.775 --> 00:39:37.978
- But i think one of the biggest, biggest pieces of evidence
- 00:39:37.978 --> 00:39:41.982
- Here is all of this electronic d that's going to come into play.
- 00:39:41.982 --> 00:39:45.819
- And also, don't forget this, nan
- 00:39:45.819 --> 00:39:48.255
- He has a real understanding and a real love for ai.
- 00:39:48.255 --> 00:39:52.526
- We've seen this throughout, throughout, his social media pos
- 00:39:52.526 --> 00:39:57.798
- The life that he lived, his bach and master's degree
- 00:39:57.798 --> 00:40:01.835
- In computer science, the 3d ghos
- 00:40:01.835 --> 00:40:06.073
- You know, he's familiar with tha
- 00:40:06.073 --> 00:40:07.508
- That's a big part of of new tech
- 00:40:07.508 --> 00:40:10.177
- And just being able to generate, false ids.
- 00:40:10.177 --> 00:40:14.281
- All of that along the way is goi a big, big dagger in the heart f
- 00:40:14.281 --> 00:40:19.119
- Cheryl mccollum.
- 00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:20.087
- You know what? let me just give you an example.
- 00:40:20.087 --> 00:40:21.855
- The ghost gun for pete's sake, is the single most
- 00:40:21.855 --> 00:40:25.092
- Important piece of evidence.
- 00:40:25.092 --> 00:40:27.127
- Tie it with a fingerprint.
- 00:40:27.127 --> 00:40:29.396
- The single most important piece of evidence for me
- 00:40:29.396 --> 00:40:31.932
- Is we've got him on freaking vid committing murder.
- 00:40:31.932 --> 00:40:34.801
- Everything else is going to be t
- 00:40:34.801 --> 00:40:36.537
- The gun, the clothing, fingerpri everything else is coming.
- 00:40:36.537 --> 00:40:40.774
- Dna, single, single.
- 00:40:40.774 --> 00:40:42.409
- The single most important piece.
- 00:40:42.409 --> 00:40:44.478
- Video and quickly to her.
- 00:40:44.478 --> 00:40:46.880
- Monica rodriguez dailymail.com.
- 00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:49.783
- What happens now?
- 00:40:49.783 --> 00:40:50.851
- We're just waiting on the extrad hearing. correct.
- 00:40:50.851 --> 00:40:53.453
- So he's supposed to appear in co in pennsylvania today.
- 00:40:53.453 --> 00:40:56.924
- And now the process of extraditi along.
- 00:40:56.924 --> 00:41:00.127
- Charges have already been filed in new y
- 00:41:00.127 --> 00:41:02.496
- We don't have to wait for him to be physically in new york for
- 00:41:02.496 --> 00:41:05.999
- But now that process starts, and we are yet to hear
- 00:41:05.999 --> 00:41:08.802
- What his defense is going to be.
- 00:41:08.802 --> 00:41:10.370
- Is he going to oppose extraditio as you mentioned?
- 00:41:10.370 --> 00:41:14.007
- And that that's what's going to the legal process
- 00:41:14.007 --> 00:41:16.944
- And all this evidence is going to emerge tonight.
- 00:41:16.944 --> 00:41:20.581
- We honor two american heroes,
- 00:41:20.581 --> 00:41:24.585
- Number one, the so-called elderl
- 00:41:24.585 --> 00:41:28.622
- Having his or her coffee at a mc just like every single morning,
- 00:41:28.622 --> 00:41:33.694
- Who took it upon themselves, whether they knew it
- 00:41:34.661 --> 00:41:37.497
- To risk their lives to catch an alleged killer.
- 00:41:37.497 --> 00:41:41.768
- We discussed earlier how very often arrests go sidewa
- 00:41:42.803 --> 00:41:47.274
- Much less the arrest of a violen
- 00:41:47.274 --> 00:41:50.477
- Who's carrying a loaded ghost gu
- 00:41:50.477 --> 00:41:53.880
- And also hero tyler fry,
- 00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:57.584
- A beat cop, a patrol officer in altoona pd.
- 00:41:57.584 --> 00:42:02.289
- He knew he was going to apprehen
- 00:42:02.289 --> 00:42:06.360
- The health boss assassin as he's been called.
- 00:42:06.360 --> 00:42:09.763
- Did he shrink back? no.
- 00:42:10.263 --> 00:42:12.933
- He strode in and he made the arrest by the bo
- 00:42:12.933 --> 00:42:18.071
- If it weren't for those two indi
- 00:42:18.071 --> 00:42:21.975
- Brian thompson's two boys
- 00:42:22.542 --> 00:42:25.345
- May never have answers.
- 00:42:25.345 --> 00:42:28.382
- But tonight they do.
- 00:42:28.382 --> 00:42:31.818
- Thank you to that patron at mcdo
- 00:42:32.452 --> 00:42:35.589
- And to patrol officer tyler fry.
- 00:42:35.589 --> 00:42:39.559
- Thank you to our guests.
- 00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:40.661
- Joining us tonight,
- 00:42:40.661 --> 00:42:42.496
- But especially to you for being with us tonight and ev
- 00:42:42.496 --> 00:42:46.266
- Nancy grace signing off.
- 00:42:46.266 --> 00:42:47.834
- I'll see you tomorrow night, six at 9:00 sharp eastern
- 00:42:47.834 --> 00:42:50.704
- And until then, good night.
- 00:42:50.704 --> 00:42:50.704
