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The Eric Metaxas Radio Show | Guest Jonathan Bernis | May 16, 2021
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- IS SPONSORED IN PART BY CARSHIELD, GIVING
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- CARSHIELD, GIVING THOUSANDS OF VEHICLE
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- THOUSANDS OF VEHICLE OWNERS PEACE OF MIND.
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- OWNERS PEACE OF MIND. [MUSIC]
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- [MUSIC] [SMOOCH]
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- [SMOOCH] [WHOOSH]
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- [WHOOSH] [DOOR SLAMMING]
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- [DOOR SLAMMING] [BING]
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- [BING] [REVVING, SCREECHING]
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- [REVVING, SCREECHING] [PLOP]
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- [PLOP] [WHOOSH]
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- [WHOOSH] [MUSIC]
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- [MUSIC] - MALE: HEY.
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- - MALE: HEY. [MUSIC]
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- [MUSIC] [BOINK]
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- [BOINK] [ENGINE REVVING]
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- [ENGINE REVVING] [BRAKES SQUEALING]
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- [BRAKES SQUEALING] [MUSIC]
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- [MUSIC] [CRASH]
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- [CRASH] [CHEERS]
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- - ERIC: HEY, FOLKS, I
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- - ERIC: HEY, FOLKS, I HAVE IN THE STUDIO MY
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- THE HEADLINE ON YOU IS YOU
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- THE HEADLINE ON YOU IS YOU ARE JEWISH, AND YOU
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- ARE JEWISH, AND YOU BELIEVE IN JESUS.
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- BELIEVE IN JESUS. I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THAT.
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- I'VE NEVER HEARD OF THAT. WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT?
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- WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT? - JONATHAN BERNIS: I AM
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- - JONATHAN BERNIS: I AM STILL JEWISH, CONTRARY TO
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- STILL JEWISH, CONTRARY TO WHAT MY RABBI TOLD ME AND
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- WHAT MY RABBI TOLD ME AND ALL MY FAMILY, MY AUNTS
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- YEAH, I'M A JEWISH
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- YEAH, I'M A JEWISH BELIEVER IN JESUS.
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- BELIEVER IN JESUS. I CALL MYSELF A MESSIANIC JEW,
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- I CALL MYSELF A MESSIANIC JEW, WHICH DEVELOPED IN
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- WHICH DEVELOPED IN THE '70s.
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- THE '70s. THE TERM DEVELOPED IN THE
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- THE TERM DEVELOPED IN THE '70s TO AFFIRM THAT JEWS
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- '70s TO AFFIRM THAT JEWS WHO ACCEPT THEIR MESSIAH
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- WE HAVEN'T CONVERTED TO
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- WE HAVEN'T CONVERTED TO CHRISTIANITY.
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- CHRISTIANITY. - ERIC: WELL, IT'S KIND
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- - ERIC: WELL, IT'S KIND OF FUNNY BECAUSE-- YOU
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- OF FUNNY BECAUSE-- YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, I'M BEING
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- KNOW, OF COURSE, I'M BEING SARCASTIC WHEN I SAY,
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- SARCASTIC WHEN I SAY, "WHAT IS THAT?"
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- "WHAT IS THAT?" BUT I THINK THERE ARE A
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- BUT I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE, THEY HAVE A
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- LOT OF PEOPLE, THEY HAVE A VIEW OF CHRISTIANITY,
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- VIEW OF CHRISTIANITY, LIKE, THERE'S JEWS, AND
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- LIKE, THERE'S JEWS, AND THERE'S CHRISTIANS, AND
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- THERE'S CHRISTIANS, AND YOU THINK, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
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- YOU THINK, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE
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- THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO CALL THEMSELVES
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- WHO CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS WHO ARE
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- CHRISTIANS WHO ARE ACTUALLY JUST GENTILES.
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- ACTUALLY JUST GENTILES. THEY'RE NOT JEWS.
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- THEY'RE NOT JEWS. THEY DON'T REALLY, REALLY
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- THEY DON'T REALLY, REALLY BELIEVE IN JESUS, SO YOU
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- BELIEVE IN JESUS, SO YOU DON'T BECOME A CHRISTIAN
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- DON'T BECOME A CHRISTIAN JUST BY NOT BEING JEWISH.
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- JUST BY NOT BEING JEWISH. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS
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- THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT ANYBODY CAN BELIEVE
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- THAT ANYBODY CAN BELIEVE IN JESUS, AND IF YOU
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- IN JESUS, AND IF YOU HAPPEN TO BE ETHNICALLY
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- HAPPEN TO BE ETHNICALLY JEWISH AND YOU BELIEVE IN
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- JEWISH AND YOU BELIEVE IN JESUS, WELL, THAT'S-- YOU
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- JESUS, WELL, THAT'S-- YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE
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- KNOW, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THAT WAS THE MASTER PLAN,
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- THAT WAS THE MASTER PLAN, RIGHT?
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- RIGHT? YOU HAVE THIS JEWISH RABBI
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- YOU HAVE THIS JEWISH RABBI NAMED JESUS.
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- NAMED JESUS. HE COMES FOR THE JEWS
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- HE COMES FOR THE JEWS FIRST, AND THEN HE'S
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- FIRST, AND THEN HE'S WILLING TO MOVE ON.
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- WILLING TO MOVE ON. - JONATHAN THAT'S RIGHT.
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- - JONATHAN THAT'S RIGHT. IT WAS SHOCKING TO ME TO
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- IT WAS SHOCKING TO ME TO READ THE NEW TESTAMENT
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- READ THE NEW TESTAMENT BECAUSE I WAS TAUGHT THAT
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- BECAUSE I WAS TAUGHT THAT THERE WERE JEWS AND
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- THERE WERE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS.
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- CHRISTIANS. "GENTILE" AND "CHRISTIAN"
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- "GENTILE" AND "CHRISTIAN" WAS SYNONYMOUS.
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- WAS SYNONYMOUS. WE DIDN'T DISTINGUISH
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- WE DIDN'T DISTINGUISH BETWEEN CATHOLICS AND
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- BETWEEN CATHOLICS AND PROTESTANT, BELIEVERS,
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- PROTESTANT, BELIEVERS, TRUE BELIEVERS, AND THOSE
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- TRUE BELIEVERS, AND THOSE THAT JUST SIMPLY WEREN'T
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- THAT JUST SIMPLY WEREN'T JEWISH, AND THE NEW
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- JEWISH, AND THE NEW TESTAMENT, I WAS TAUGHT,
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- TESTAMENT, I WAS TAUGHT, WAS A CHRISTIAN BOOK, HAD
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- WAS A CHRISTIAN BOOK, HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH JUDAISM
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- NOTHING TO DO WITH JUDAISM OTHER THAN BLAMING US FOR
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- OTHER THAN BLAMING US FOR KILLING THEIR GOD,
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- KILLING THEIR GOD, JESUS CHRIST.
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- JESUS CHRIST. - ERIC: RIGHT, AND, BY
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- - ERIC: RIGHT, AND, BY THE WAY, THAT'S NOT
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- THE WAY, THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED.
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- WHAT HAPPENED. I HAVE SO MANY FRIENDS WHO
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- I HAVE SO MANY FRIENDS WHO ARE ETHNICALLY JEWISH WHO
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- ARE ETHNICALLY JEWISH WHO BELIEVE IN JESUS, SO, TO
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- BELIEVE IN JESUS, SO, TO ME, IT'S NO BIG SURPRISE
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- ME, IT'S NO BIG SURPRISE WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS,
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- WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS, "I'M A JEWISH BELIEVER
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- "I'M A JEWISH BELIEVER IN JESUS,"
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- IN JESUS," "I'M A MESSIANIC JEW,"
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- "I'M A MESSIANIC JEW," "I'M A JEW FOR JESUS,"
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- "I'M A JEW FOR JESUS," WHATEVER.
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- WHATEVER. THAT, TO ME, IS NORMAL,
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- THAT, TO ME, IS NORMAL, BUT AROUND THE WORLD AND
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- BUT AROUND THE WORLD AND AROUND THE REST OF
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- AROUND THE REST OF AMERICA, MANY PEOPLE
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- AMERICA, MANY PEOPLE AREN'T EVEN AWARE OF THIS
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- AREN'T EVEN AWARE OF THIS CONCEPT THAT THERE ARE SO MANY--
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- CONCEPT THAT THERE ARE SO MANY-- - JONATHAN: I THINK YOU'RE
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- - JONATHAN: I THINK YOU'RE UNIQUE.
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- UNIQUE. YOU'RE UNIQUE.
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- YOU'RE UNIQUE. ALTHOUGH WE'RE GROWING,
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- ALTHOUGH WE'RE GROWING, THERE'S TENS, IF NOT
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- THERE'S TENS, IF NOT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF
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- HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF JEWS WHO BELIEVE IN JESUS
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- JEWS WHO BELIEVE IN JESUS NOW, JUST IN AMERICA,
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- NOW, JUST IN AMERICA, BUT WHEN-- I'VE BEEN A
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- BUT WHEN-- I'VE BEEN A BELIEVER 40 YEARS, AND 40
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- BELIEVER 40 YEARS, AND 40 YEARS AGO, IT WAS A VERY
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- YEARS AGO, IT WAS A VERY RARE THING.
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- RARE THING. I DIDN'T KNOW ANYONE ELSE,
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- I DIDN'T KNOW ANYONE ELSE, ANY OTHER JEW WHO BELIEVED
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- ANY OTHER JEW WHO BELIEVED IN JESUS.
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- IN JESUS. - ERIC: I WANT YOU TO
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- - ERIC: I WANT YOU TO TELL US YOUR STORY,
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- TELL US YOUR STORY, HOW YOU CAME TO BELIEVE
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- HOW YOU CAME TO BELIEVE IN JESUS.
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- IN JESUS. I MEAN, IT'S NOT A NORMAL
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- I MEAN, IT'S NOT A NORMAL THING FOR A NEW YORK JEW
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- THING FOR A NEW YORK JEW TO SUDDENLY START
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- TO SUDDENLY START BELIEVING IN JESUS OF
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- BELIEVING IN JESUS OF NAZARETH AS THE MESSIAH.
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- NAZARETH AS THE MESSIAH. - JONATHAN: IT'S NOT.
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- - JONATHAN: IT'S NOT. IT'S BECOMING MORE COMMON,
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- IT'S BECOMING MORE COMMON, AS I SAID.
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- AS I SAID. I WAS BROUGHT UP IN WHAT I
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- I WAS BROUGHT UP IN WHAT I CALL A TRADITIONAL
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- CALL A TRADITIONAL JEWISH HOME.
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- JEWISH HOME. ALTHOUGH WE WEREN'T
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- ALTHOUGH WE WEREN'T OBSERVANT, JEWISH IDENTITY
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- OBSERVANT, JEWISH IDENTITY WAS PARAMOUNT, SO MY
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- WAS PARAMOUNT, SO MY FATHER WAS SELF-PROCLAIMED
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- FATHER WAS SELF-PROCLAIMED AGNOSTIC.
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- AGNOSTIC. MY MOM DIDN'T TALK
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- MY MOM DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT.
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- ABOUT IT. WHAT WAS IMPORTANT TO MY
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- WHAT WAS IMPORTANT TO MY PARENTS AND MY COMMUNITY
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- PARENTS AND MY COMMUNITY WAS THAT I WAS BORN
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- WAS THAT I WAS BORN JEWISH, AND THE CONTINUITY
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- JEWISH, AND THE CONTINUITY OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE WAS
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- OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE WAS EVERYTHING, THE SURVIVAL
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- EVERYTHING, THE SURVIVAL OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE, SO I
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- OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE, SO I WAS BORN A JEW; I WAS TO
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- WAS BORN A JEW; I WAS TO DIE A JEW.
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- DIE A JEW. I LEARNED WHAT WE CALL THE
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- I LEARNED WHAT WE CALL THE SHEMA, "HEAR, O ISRAEL,
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- SHEMA, "HEAR, O ISRAEL, THE LORD OUR GOD, THE LORD
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- THE LORD OUR GOD, THE LORD IS ONE," FROM CHILDHOOD IN
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- IS ONE," FROM CHILDHOOD IN HEBREW, AND THEN IT WAS
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- HEBREW, AND THEN IT WAS PREPARATION FOR MY
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- PREPARATION FOR MY BAR MITZVAH.
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- BAR MITZVAH. - ERIC: BUT AT SOME
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- - ERIC: BUT AT SOME POINT, YOU DECIDE TO THINK
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- POINT, YOU DECIDE TO THINK ABOUT GOD, AND YOU'RE
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- ABOUT GOD, AND YOU'RE TELLING ME YOU HAVE YOUR
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- TELLING ME YOU HAVE YOUR BAR MITZVAH, OBVIOUSLY,
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- BAR MITZVAH, OBVIOUSLY, 13, WHATEVER.
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- 13, WHATEVER. WHAT HAPPENS AT
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- WHAT HAPPENS AT THAT POINT?
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- THAT POINT? I MEAN, WHEN YOU'RE A
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- I MEAN, WHEN YOU'RE A TEENAGER, WHERE WERE YOU
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- TEENAGER, WHERE WERE YOU WITH REGARD TO FAITH AND
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- WITH REGARD TO FAITH AND THOSE ISSUES?
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- THOSE ISSUES? - JONATHAN: WELL, TWO
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- - JONATHAN: WELL, TWO THINGS: FIRST OF ALL, WHEN
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- THINGS: FIRST OF ALL, WHEN I WAS EIGHT OR NINE YEARS
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- I WAS EIGHT OR NINE YEARS OLD, I ASKED MY TEACHER IN
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- OLD, I ASKED MY TEACHER IN SYNAGOGUE, IN TEMPLE, IN
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- SYNAGOGUE, IN TEMPLE, IN RESPONSE TO HER STATEMENT
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- RESPONSE TO HER STATEMENT THAT WE WERE THE CHOSEN
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- THAT WE WERE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE, AND MY QUESTION
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- PEOPLE, AND MY QUESTION WAS "WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?
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- WAS "WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT ARE WE CHOSEN FOR?"
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- WHAT ARE WE CHOSEN FOR?" - ERIC: "WHO CHOSE US?"
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- - ERIC: "WHO CHOSE US?" - JONATHAN: "WHO CHOSE US?"
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- - JONATHAN: "WHO CHOSE US?" AND "WHAT WERE WE CHOSEN FOR?"
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- AND "WHAT WERE WE CHOSEN FOR?" AND HER RESPONSE WAS
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- AND HER RESPONSE WAS "WE WERE CHOSEN TO BE
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- "WE WERE CHOSEN TO BE PERSECUTED."
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- PERSECUTED." WHAT AN ANSWER, HUH?
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- WHAT AN ANSWER, HUH? SO I REMEMBER THINKING,
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- SO I REMEMBER THINKING, "IF THAT'S WHAT--"
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- "IF THAT'S WHAT--" - ERIC: THAT'S LIKE A
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- - ERIC: THAT'S LIKE A WOODY ALLEN MOVIE.
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- WOODY ALLEN MOVIE. - JONATHAN: -- "IF THAT'S
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- - JONATHAN: -- "IF THAT'S WHAT BEING JEWISH IS
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- WHAT BEING JEWISH IS ABOUT, I'M OUT OF THIS.
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- ABOUT, I'M OUT OF THIS. I'M OUT OF HERE."
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- I'M OUT OF HERE." - ERIC: RIGHT, "AND FOR THAT
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- - ERIC: RIGHT, "AND FOR THAT REASON, I'M OUT."
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- REASON, I'M OUT." - JONATHAN: AND I DON'T
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- - JONATHAN: AND I DON'T KNOW, ERIC, IF I WAS
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- KNOW, ERIC, IF I WAS SEARCHING FOR GOD, BUT I
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- SEARCHING FOR GOD, BUT I WAS SEARCHING FOR THE
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- WAS SEARCHING FOR THE MEANING OF LIFE.
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- MEANING OF LIFE. I WAS SEARCHING FOR--
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- I WAS SEARCHING FOR-- I HAD A SENSE OF DESTINY,
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- I HAD A SENSE OF DESTINY, AND I WAS SEARCHING TO
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- AND I WAS SEARCHING TO FIND OUT WHAT THAT DESTINY
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- FIND OUT WHAT THAT DESTINY WAS, AND THE OTHER THE
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- WAS, AND THE OTHER THE OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD
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- OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAD AS A YOUNG CHILD WHEN--
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- AS A YOUNG CHILD WHEN-- AND IT WAS BECAUSE MY
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- AND IT WAS BECAUSE MY GRANDFATHER DIED VERY
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- GRANDFATHER DIED VERY SUDDENLY, AND NOBODY WOULD
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- SUDDENLY, AND NOBODY WOULD TALK ABOUT IT.
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- TALK ABOUT IT. THIS IS VERY JEWISH ALSO.
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- THIS IS VERY JEWISH ALSO. WE DON'T TALK ABOUT DEATH.
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- WE DON'T TALK ABOUT DEATH. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS
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- WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENS AFTER YOU DIE.
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- AFTER YOU DIE. WE JUST DON'T TALK
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- WE JUST DON'T TALK ABOUT IT.
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- ABOUT IT. AND I WASN'T ALLOWED TO GO
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- AND I WASN'T ALLOWED TO GO TO THE FUNERAL, AND I
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- TO THE FUNERAL, AND I REMEMBER THINKING--
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- REMEMBER THINKING-- PROBABLY I WAS SEVEN OR
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- PROBABLY I WAS SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS OLD, THINKING,
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- EIGHT YEARS OLD, THINKING, "WHAT HAPPENS AFTER
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- "WHAT HAPPENS AFTER YOU DIE?
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- YOU DIE? THERE MUST BE SOMETHING MORE."
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- THERE MUST BE SOMETHING MORE." SO THOSE TWO QUESTIONS,
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- SO THOSE TWO QUESTIONS, "WHY AM I HERE?"
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- "WHY AM I HERE?" AND "WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN
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- AND "WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO ME AFTER I DIE?"
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- TO ME AFTER I DIE?" WERE QUESTIONS THAT I
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- WERE QUESTIONS THAT I SOUGHT TO ANSWER ALL
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- SOUGHT TO ANSWER ALL THROUGH MY TEENAGE YEARS,
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- THROUGH MY TEENAGE YEARS, AND THAT LANDED ME
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- AND THAT LANDED ME SQUARELY WITH DRUGS AND
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- SQUARELY WITH DRUGS AND THE GRATEFUL DEAD.
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- THE GRATEFUL DEAD. [LAUGHTER]
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- [LAUGHTER] - ERIC: IS THAT TRUE?
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- - ERIC: IS THAT TRUE? - JONATHAN: IT'S TRUE.
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- - JONATHAN: IT'S TRUE. - ERIC: WITH DRUGS AND
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- - ERIC: WITH DRUGS AND THE GRATEFUL DEAD?
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- THE GRATEFUL DEAD? WHAT HAPPENS WHEN--
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- WHAT HAPPENS WHEN-- THE ONE THING WE KNOW THAT
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- THE ONE THING WE KNOW THAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DIE, IN
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- HAPPENS WHEN YOU DIE, IN EVERY CASE WE KNOW, THE
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- EVERY CASE WE KNOW, THE PHONE CALLS TEND TO TAPER OFF.
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- PHONE CALLS TEND TO TAPER OFF. THAT WAS A JOKE.
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- THAT WAS A JOKE. THANK YOU.
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- THANK YOU. - JONATHAN: I'M THINKING
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- - JONATHAN: I'M THINKING ABOUT THAT ONE.
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- ABOUT THAT ONE. IT SOUNDED VERY PROFOUND BUT--
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- IT SOUNDED VERY PROFOUND BUT-- - ERIC: NO, IT WAS
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- - ERIC: NO, IT WAS MEANT TO SOUND PROFOUND.
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- MEANT TO SOUND PROFOUND. THE PHONE CALLS TEND TO
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- THE PHONE CALLS TEND TO TAPER OFF.
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- TAPER OFF. NO, I WANNA ASK YOU, BY
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- NO, I WANNA ASK YOU, BY THE WAY, YOU ARE TODAY THE
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- THE WAY, YOU ARE TODAY THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF
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- PRESIDENT AND CEO OF JEWISH VOICE MINISTRIES
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- JEWISH VOICE MINISTRIES INTERNATIONAL, AND YOU
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- - JONATHAN: WE DO.
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- - JONATHAN: WE DO. - ERIC: AND I HAVE A
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- - ERIC: AND I HAVE A PROGRAM ON TBN.
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- PROGRAM ON TBN. WE'RE BROTHERS IN THAT
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- WE'RE BROTHERS IN THAT SENSE.
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- SENSE. - JONATHAN: BROTHERS
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- - JONATHAN: BROTHERS IN TBN.
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- IN TBN. - ERIC: YEAH.
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- - ERIC: YEAH. OKAY, WE'VE GOTTA GO
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- OKAY, WE'VE GOTTA GO BACKWARDS NOW BECAUSE I
- 00:06:09.140 --> 00:06:10.408
- SO YOU GREW UP--
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- SO YOU GREW UP-- OBVIOUSLY, THE STANDARD
- 00:06:13.911 --> 00:06:14.345
- OBVIOUSLY, THE STANDARD PATH-- RIGHT?
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- PATH-- RIGHT? -- OF THE AGNOSTIC JEW OR
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- -- OF THE AGNOSTIC JEW OR THE AGNOSTIC GENTILE.
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- THE AGNOSTIC GENTILE. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE STUMBLING
- 00:06:18.116 --> 00:06:19.350
- YOU KNOW, YOU'RE STUMBLING AROUND, AND YOU'RE NOT
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- AROUND, AND YOU'RE NOT GETTING MANY ANSWERS, AND
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- GETTING MANY ANSWERS, AND IT SOUNDS, TO ME, LIKE
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- IT SOUNDS, TO ME, LIKE THAT'S WHERE YOU WERE
- 00:06:23.888 --> 00:06:25.923
- THAT'S WHERE YOU WERE THROUGH MOST OF YOUR TEENS.
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- THROUGH MOST OF YOUR TEENS. - JONATHAN: WELL, I HAD
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- - JONATHAN: WELL, I HAD A DRIVING GOAL TO BE A
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- A DRIVING GOAL TO BE A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSMAN AND
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- SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSMAN AND MAKE A LOT OF MONEY.
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- MAKE A LOT OF MONEY. THIS WAS WHAT WAS
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- THIS WAS WHAT WAS INGRAINED IN ME, GROWING
- 00:06:33.931 --> 00:06:34.432
- INGRAINED IN ME, GROWING UP IN--
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- - JONATHAN: LIKE, MY
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- - JONATHAN: LIKE, MY GRANDFATHER WAS VERY
- 00:06:37.802 --> 00:06:38.603
- GRANDFATHER WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL IN BUSINESS.
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- SUCCESSFUL IN BUSINESS. BUT THOSE TWO QUESTIONS
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- BUT THOSE TWO QUESTIONS WERE REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME.
- 00:06:39.871 --> 00:06:41.239
- WERE REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME. AND DRUGS, GETTING INTO
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- AND DRUGS, GETTING INTO DRUGS WAS NOT JUST
- 00:06:42.607 --> 00:06:43.741
- DRUGS WAS NOT JUST RECREATIONAL FOR ME.
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- I GREW UP IN THAT ERA.
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- I GREW UP IN THAT ERA. - ERIC: YOU WANTED TO
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- - ERIC: YOU WANTED TO UNLOCK THE DOORS OF PERCEPTION.
- 00:06:48.346 --> 00:06:48.880
- UNLOCK THE DOORS OF PERCEPTION. - JONATHAN: I DID.
- 00:06:48.880 --> 00:06:49.680
- - JONATHAN: I DID. I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT ELSE
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- I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT ELSE THERE WAS.
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- THERE WAS. I HEARD ABOUT THE GOSPEL
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- I HEARD ABOUT THE GOSPEL IN HIGH SCHOOL THROUGH A
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- IN HIGH SCHOOL THROUGH A GROUP CALLED YOUNG LIFE.
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- GROUP CALLED YOUNG LIFE. - ERIC: AS YOU WERE A
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- - ERIC: AS YOU WERE A TEENAGER, YOU WERE LOOKING
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- TEENAGER, YOU WERE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING BEYOND YOUR LIFE.
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- FOR SOMETHING BEYOND YOUR LIFE. YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YOU
- 00:07:00.792 --> 00:07:01.893
- YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR, AND I
- 00:07:01.893 --> 00:07:02.693
- WERE LOOKING FOR, AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE
- 00:07:02.693 --> 00:07:03.261
- THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE LIKE THAT.
- 00:07:03.261 --> 00:07:03.961
- LIKE THAT. THEY'RE NOT LOOKING FOR GOD.
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- THEY'RE NOT LOOKING FOR GOD. THEY'RE LOOKING FOR
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- THEY'RE LOOKING FOR WHATEVER IT IS OUT THERE
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- WHATEVER IT IS OUT THERE THAT MIGHT GIVE THEM THE
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- THAT MIGHT GIVE THEM THE MEANING OF LIFE.
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- MEANING OF LIFE. - JONATHAN: EXACTLY.
- 00:07:10.201 --> 00:07:10.935
- - JONATHAN: EXACTLY. I HEARD ABOUT JESUS,
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- I HEARD ABOUT JESUS, REALLY, FOR THE FIRST TIME
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- REALLY, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HIGH SCHOOL.
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- IN HIGH SCHOOL. I WENT TO A GROUP CALLED
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- I WENT TO A GROUP CALLED YOUNG LIFE, AND THEIR
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- YOUNG LIFE, AND THEIR PRESENTATION OF THEIR GOD,
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- PRESENTATION OF THEIR GOD, JESUS CHRIST, WHO I
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- JESUS CHRIST, WHO I THOUGHT WAS THE SON OF
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- THOUGHT WAS THE SON OF MR. AND MRS. CHRIST, I HAD
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- MR. AND MRS. CHRIST, I HAD NO CONNECTION TO JESUS AS
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- NO CONNECTION TO JESUS AS A JEW.
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- A JEW. I THOUGHT HE GREW UP IN
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- I THOUGHT HE GREW UP IN ROME IN THE VATICAN,
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- ROME IN THE VATICAN, AND HEARING ABOUT THIS GOD WHO
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- AND HEARING ABOUT THIS GOD WHO WALKED ON WATER, HEALED
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- WALKED ON WATER, HEALED THE SICK, RAISED THE DEAD,
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- THE SICK, RAISED THE DEAD, IN CONTRAST TO THE GOD OF
- 00:07:39.297 --> 00:07:43.434
- IN CONTRAST TO THE GOD OF ISRAEL, WHO SPOKE TO MOSES,
- 00:07:43.434 --> 00:07:44.001
- ISRAEL, WHO SPOKE TO MOSES, WHO SPOKE TO ABRAHAM,
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- WHO SPOKE TO ABRAHAM, BUT NOW WAS THIS DISTANT,
- 00:07:44.936 --> 00:07:48.172
- BUT NOW WAS THIS DISTANT, DISINTERESTED FORCE--
- 00:07:48.172 --> 00:07:50.041
- DISINTERESTED FORCE-- WE DON'T EVEN WRITE THE NAME
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- WE DON'T EVEN WRITE THE NAME OF GOD.
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- OF GOD. IF YOU EVER SEEN A JEWISH--
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- IF YOU EVER SEEN A JEWISH-- - ERIC: OH YEAH.
- 00:07:53.911 --> 00:07:55.046
- - ERIC: OH YEAH. - JONATHAN: "G," DASH, "D."
- 00:07:55.046 --> 00:07:55.947
- - JONATHAN: "G," DASH, "D." HE'S HOLY, HE'S RIGHTEOUS,
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- HE'S HOLY, HE'S RIGHTEOUS, BUT HE'S UNREACHABLE,
- 00:07:56.747 --> 00:07:57.415
- BUT HE'S UNREACHABLE, HE'S UNOBTAINABLE,
- 00:07:57.415 --> 00:07:58.983
- HE'S UNOBTAINABLE, AND I REMEMBER ASKING,
- 00:07:58.983 --> 00:08:00.384
- AND I REMEMBER ASKING, "WHAT ABOUT OUR GOD?
- 00:08:00.384 --> 00:08:01.052
- "WHAT ABOUT OUR GOD? WHY DOESN'T HE SPEAK TO
- 00:08:01.052 --> 00:08:01.719
- WHY DOESN'T HE SPEAK TO PEOPLE TODAY?
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- PEOPLE TODAY? THIS JESUS IS PERSONAL.
- 00:08:04.522 --> 00:08:05.456
- THIS JESUS IS PERSONAL. HE'S CLOSE."
- 00:08:05.456 --> 00:08:07.058
- HE'S CLOSE." AND I WAS JEALOUS.
- 00:08:07.058 --> 00:08:08.693
- AND I WAS JEALOUS. BUT WHEN I WAS APPROACHED
- 00:08:08.693 --> 00:08:10.261
- BUT WHEN I WAS APPROACHED DIRECTLY ABOUT ACCEPTING
- 00:08:10.261 --> 00:08:12.096
- DIRECTLY ABOUT ACCEPTING JESUS, MY IMMEDIATE
- 00:08:12.096 --> 00:08:13.731
- JESUS, MY IMMEDIATE RESPONSE, OF COURSE, WAS
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- RESPONSE, OF COURSE, WAS "I'M JEWISH."
- 00:08:14.866 --> 00:08:16.033
- "I'M JEWISH." AND I ALWAYS RECEIVED
- 00:08:16.033 --> 00:08:17.635
- AND I ALWAYS RECEIVED AN APOLOGY.
- 00:08:17.635 --> 00:08:18.336
- AN APOLOGY. PEOPLE ALWAYS APOLOGIZED--
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- PEOPLE ALWAYS APOLOGIZED-- CHRISTIANS, BORN-AGAIN
- 00:08:19.871 --> 00:08:21.539
- CHRISTIANS, BORN-AGAIN CHRISTIANS, AND THEY WERE
- 00:08:21.539 --> 00:08:22.940
- CHRISTIANS, AND THEY WERE REAFFIRMING MY ERRONEOUS
- 00:08:22.940 --> 00:08:24.609
- REAFFIRMING MY ERRONEOUS IDEA THAT JESUS WASN'T AN
- 00:08:24.609 --> 00:08:25.243
- IDEA THAT JESUS WASN'T AN OPTION FOR ME.
- 00:08:25.243 --> 00:08:25.810
- OPTION FOR ME. THAT'S KIND OF SAD.
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- THAT'S KIND OF SAD. - ERIC: THEY AFFIRMED
- 00:08:26.577 --> 00:08:27.011
- - ERIC: THEY AFFIRMED THAT, RIGHT.
- 00:08:27.011 --> 00:08:28.579
- THAT, RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I FIND FUNNY
- 00:08:28.579 --> 00:08:29.981
- THAT'S WHAT I FIND FUNNY IS THAT YOU GET A LOT OF
- 00:08:29.981 --> 00:08:30.748
- IS THAT YOU GET A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ACT LIKE,
- 00:08:30.748 --> 00:08:31.616
- PEOPLE THAT ACT LIKE, "OH, YOU'RE JEWISH."
- 00:08:31.616 --> 00:08:32.783
- "OH, YOU'RE JEWISH." IT'S LIKE YOU'VE BEEN
- 00:08:32.783 --> 00:08:33.317
- IT'S LIKE YOU'VE BEEN INOCULATED.
- 00:08:33.317 --> 00:08:34.652
- INOCULATED. YOU KNOW, "WE DON'T NEED
- 00:08:34.652 --> 00:08:35.953
- YOU KNOW, "WE DON'T NEED TO DEAL WITH YOU,"
- 00:08:35.953 --> 00:08:36.787
- TO DEAL WITH YOU," YOU KNOW?
- 00:08:36.787 --> 00:08:38.055
- YOU KNOW? - JONATHAN: THAT'S RIGHT,
- 00:08:38.055 --> 00:08:38.956
- - JONATHAN: THAT'S RIGHT, BUT IT'S BASED ON GOODWILL
- 00:08:38.956 --> 00:08:40.091
- BUT IT'S BASED ON GOODWILL AFTER THE HOLOCAUST, BUT
- 00:08:40.091 --> 00:08:42.059
- AFTER THE HOLOCAUST, BUT IT'S SAD BECAUSE HE IS THE
- 00:08:42.059 --> 00:08:44.295
- IT'S SAD BECAUSE HE IS THE WAY OF LIFE.
- 00:08:44.295 --> 00:08:45.496
- WAY OF LIFE. THE GREATEST WAY TO BLESS
- 00:08:45.496 --> 00:08:46.297
- THE GREATEST WAY TO BLESS A JEWISH PERSON IS WITH
- 00:08:46.297 --> 00:08:47.532
- A JEWISH PERSON IS WITH THE GOOD NEWS OF THEIR
- 00:08:47.532 --> 00:08:47.965
- THE GOOD NEWS OF THEIR MESSIAH.
- 00:08:47.965 --> 00:08:49.600
- MESSIAH. - ERIC: WELL, AND, AGAIN,
- 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:50.167
- - ERIC: WELL, AND, AGAIN, WE GO BACK TO THE--
- 00:08:50.167 --> 00:08:51.702
- WE GO BACK TO THE-- YOU KNOW, IN SCRIPTURE, IT
- 00:08:51.702 --> 00:08:52.403
- YOU KNOW, IN SCRIPTURE, IT SAYS, "FOR THE JEW FIRST."
- 00:08:52.403 --> 00:08:54.539
- SAYS, "FOR THE JEW FIRST." JESUS-- I MEAN, I ALWAYS
- 00:08:54.539 --> 00:08:55.540
- JESUS-- I MEAN, I ALWAYS JOKE AROUND WHEN I'M DOING
- 00:08:55.540 --> 00:08:56.140
- JOKE AROUND WHEN I'M DOING PUBLIC SPEAKING.
- 00:08:56.140 --> 00:08:57.241
- PUBLIC SPEAKING. I SAY, YOU KNOW, "JESUS
- 00:08:57.241 --> 00:08:59.277
- I SAY, YOU KNOW, "JESUS WAS-- I THINK HE WAS,
- 00:08:59.277 --> 00:09:00.545
- WAS-- I THINK HE WAS, YOU KNOW, PART JEWISH, RIGHT?
- 00:09:00.545 --> 00:09:02.179
- YOU KNOW, PART JEWISH, RIGHT? AND, OF COURSE, WE KNOW
- 00:09:02.179 --> 00:09:03.147
- AND, OF COURSE, WE KNOW HIS MOTHER WAS ITALIAN."
- 00:09:03.147 --> 00:09:05.216
- HIS MOTHER WAS ITALIAN." BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER
- 00:09:05.216 --> 00:09:07.084
- BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS JESUS WAS A JEW.
- 00:09:07.084 --> 00:09:07.718
- IS JESUS WAS A JEW. HE WAS A RABBI.
- 00:09:07.718 --> 00:09:10.187
- HE WAS A RABBI. HE BELIEVED IN THE TORAH,
- 00:09:10.187 --> 00:09:11.589
- HE BELIEVED IN THE TORAH, IN THE GOD OF THE TORAH.
- 00:09:11.589 --> 00:09:13.291
- IN THE GOD OF THE TORAH. HE WAS NOT, YOU KNOW, SOME
- 00:09:13.291 --> 00:09:14.825
- HE WAS NOT, YOU KNOW, SOME STRANGER WHO CAME TO
- 00:09:14.825 --> 00:09:15.893
- STRANGER WHO CAME TO INVENT A NEW RELIGION.
- 00:09:15.893 --> 00:09:16.727
- INVENT A NEW RELIGION. - JONATHAN: EXACTLY.
- 00:09:16.727 --> 00:09:17.595
- - JONATHAN: EXACTLY. I LOVE TALKING TO YOU
- 00:09:17.595 --> 00:09:18.629
- I LOVE TALKING TO YOU 'CAUSE YOU REALLY GET IT,
- 00:09:18.629 --> 00:09:20.197
- 'CAUSE YOU REALLY GET IT, AND SO MANY CHRISTIAN
- 00:09:20.197 --> 00:09:21.132
- AND SO MANY CHRISTIAN LEADERS DON'T, AND THEY
- 00:09:21.132 --> 00:09:22.533
- LEADERS DON'T, AND THEY HAVE THIS IDEA THAT
- 00:09:22.533 --> 00:09:23.601
- HAVE THIS IDEA THAT JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY
- 00:09:23.601 --> 00:09:25.937
- JUDAISM AND CHRISTIANITY ARE DISTINCT FAITHS, AND
- 00:09:25.937 --> 00:09:27.672
- ARE DISTINCT FAITHS, AND I'VE BEEN TOLD MANY TIMES,
- 00:09:27.672 --> 00:09:29.073
- I'VE BEEN TOLD MANY TIMES, "NOW THAT YOU BELIEVE IN
- 00:09:29.073 --> 00:09:30.374
- "NOW THAT YOU BELIEVE IN JESUS, YOU'RE NO LONGER
- 00:09:30.374 --> 00:09:31.509
- JESUS, YOU'RE NO LONGER JEWISH," AND ANY TRADITION,
- 00:09:31.509 --> 00:09:33.644
- JEWISH," AND ANY TRADITION, ANY PRACTICE OF MY
- 00:09:33.644 --> 00:09:35.012
- ANY PRACTICE OF MY HERITAGE IS SOMEHOW
- 00:09:35.012 --> 00:09:36.480
- HERITAGE IS SOMEHOW PASSED AWAY, AS THE LAW
- 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:37.548
- PASSED AWAY, AS THE LAW IS TABOO.
- 00:09:37.548 --> 00:09:39.850
- IS TABOO. - ERIC: IF YOU'RE A HUMAN
- 00:09:39.850 --> 00:09:41.619
- - ERIC: IF YOU'RE A HUMAN BEING, HE CAME TO ME MAKE
- 00:09:41.619 --> 00:09:42.987
- BEING, HE CAME TO ME MAKE YOU FULLY HUMAN, AND IF
- 00:09:42.987 --> 00:09:44.956
- YOU FULLY HUMAN, AND IF YOU'RE JEWISH, IT'S ALMOST
- 00:09:44.956 --> 00:09:47.758
- YOU'RE JEWISH, IT'S ALMOST LIKE YOU'RE MORE READY
- 00:09:47.758 --> 00:09:48.659
- LIKE YOU'RE MORE READY THAN ANYBODY BECAUSE YOU
- 00:09:48.659 --> 00:09:50.695
- THAN ANYBODY BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALREADY DOWNLOADED,
- 00:09:50.695 --> 00:09:52.330
- HAVE ALREADY DOWNLOADED, YOU KNOW, THE SOFTWARE TO
- 00:09:52.330 --> 00:09:54.865
- YOU KNOW, THE SOFTWARE TO APPRECIATE IT IN A WAY
- 00:09:54.865 --> 00:09:55.766
- APPRECIATE IT IN A WAY THAT A LOT OF GENTILES
- 00:09:55.766 --> 00:09:56.367
- THAT A LOT OF GENTILES NEVER WILL.
- 00:09:56.367 --> 00:09:57.101
- NEVER WILL. - JONATHAN: BIBLICALLY,
- 00:09:57.101 --> 00:09:57.602
- - JONATHAN: BIBLICALLY, THAT'S CORRECT.
- 00:09:57.602 --> 00:09:58.836
- THAT'S CORRECT. SADLY, WE HAVE A
- 00:09:58.836 --> 00:10:00.304
- SADLY, WE HAVE A 2.000-YEAR HISTORY THAT WE
- 00:10:00.304 --> 00:10:02.173
- 2.000-YEAR HISTORY THAT WE HAVE TO OVERCOME
- 00:10:02.173 --> 00:10:03.908
- HAVE TO OVERCOME ANTI-SEMITISM,
- 00:10:03.908 --> 00:10:05.109
- ANTI-SEMITISM, PERSECUTION, EVEN
- 00:10:05.109 --> 00:10:07.912
- PERSECUTION, EVEN ATROCITIES IN THE NAME OF
- 00:10:07.912 --> 00:10:09.246
- ATROCITIES IN THE NAME OF CHRIST AND CHRISTIANITY.
- 00:10:09.246 --> 00:10:11.282
- CHRIST AND CHRISTIANITY. THAT'S THE REASON THAT JEWISH
- 00:10:11.282 --> 00:10:14.051
- THAT'S THE REASON THAT JEWISH PEOPLE ARE SO RESISTANT.
- 00:10:14.051 --> 00:10:16.153
- PEOPLE ARE SO RESISTANT. WE HAVE THE HOLOCAUST IN OUR--
- 00:10:16.153 --> 00:10:18.122
- WE HAVE THE HOLOCAUST IN OUR-- JUST IN THE LAST GENERATION,
- 00:10:18.122 --> 00:10:21.425
- JUST IN THE LAST GENERATION, WHERE GERMANS AND
- 00:10:21.425 --> 00:10:23.928
- WHERE GERMANS AND SYMPATHIZERS KILLED
- 00:10:23.928 --> 00:10:25.029
- SYMPATHIZERS KILLED JEWISH PEOPLE SIMPLY
- 00:10:25.029 --> 00:10:26.197
- JEWISH PEOPLE SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY WERE JEWISH,
- 00:10:26.197 --> 00:10:27.398
- BECAUSE THEY WERE JEWISH, AND SAID, "WE KILL YOU
- 00:10:27.398 --> 00:10:28.199
- AND SAID, "WE KILL YOU BECAUSE YOU KILLED OUR
- 00:10:28.199 --> 00:10:29.233
- BECAUSE YOU KILLED OUR GOD, JESUS CHRIST."
- 00:10:29.233 --> 00:10:29.767
- GOD, JESUS CHRIST." - ERIC: RIGHT.
- 00:10:29.767 --> 00:10:30.368
- - ERIC: RIGHT. NOW, LET'S BE CLEAR.
- 00:10:30.368 --> 00:10:31.302
- NOW, LET'S BE CLEAR. THE REASON-- ONE OF THE
- 00:10:31.302 --> 00:10:32.103
- THE REASON-- ONE OF THE REASONS I WROTE MY BOOK ON
- 00:10:32.103 --> 00:10:33.104
- REASONS I WROTE MY BOOK ON DIETRICH BONHOEFFER WAS TO
- 00:10:33.104 --> 00:10:36.140
- DIETRICH BONHOEFFER WAS TO MAKE CLEAR THAT THE NAZIS--
- 00:10:36.140 --> 00:10:37.608
- MAKE CLEAR THAT THE NAZIS-- AND THIS IS SO IMPORTANT
- 00:10:37.608 --> 00:10:38.542
- AND THIS IS SO IMPORTANT TO GET THIS RIGHT.
- 00:10:38.542 --> 00:10:41.078
- TO GET THIS RIGHT. THE NAZIS HATED JESUS AND
- 00:10:41.078 --> 00:10:42.213
- THE NAZIS HATED JESUS AND CHRISTIANS.
- 00:10:42.213 --> 00:10:44.448
- CHRISTIANS. THEY PRETENDED TO GO ALONG
- 00:10:44.448 --> 00:10:45.850
- THEY PRETENDED TO GO ALONG WITH THE CHURCH OR WHATEVER.
- 00:10:45.850 --> 00:10:46.617
- WITH THE CHURCH OR WHATEVER. THEY DIDN'T WANNA COME OUT
- 00:10:46.617 --> 00:10:47.885
- THEY DIDN'T WANNA COME OUT AND SAY, "WE WORSHIP THE
- 00:10:47.885 --> 00:10:49.020
- AND SAY, "WE WORSHIP THE DEVIL," BUT WHEN YOU LOOK
- 00:10:49.020 --> 00:10:51.589
- DEVIL," BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT-- IF YOU WANTED TO
- 00:10:51.589 --> 00:10:53.557
- AT-- IF YOU WANTED TO PROGRESS IN THE NAZI
- 00:10:53.557 --> 00:10:55.426
- PROGRESS IN THE NAZI WORLD, IF YOU WANTED TO BE
- 00:10:55.426 --> 00:10:56.761
- WORLD, IF YOU WANTED TO BE PART OF THE SS, FOR
- 00:10:56.761 --> 00:10:57.828
- PART OF THE SS, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY WEREN'T EVEN
- 00:10:57.828 --> 00:10:58.663
- EXAMPLE, THEY WEREN'T EVEN ALLOWED TO GO TO CHURCH
- 00:10:58.663 --> 00:10:59.397
- ALLOWED TO GO TO CHURCH SERVICES.
- 00:10:59.397 --> 00:11:00.631
- SERVICES. IN OTHER WORDS, THE CLOSER
- 00:11:00.631 --> 00:11:02.800
- IN OTHER WORDS, THE CLOSER YOU GOT TO THE ACTUAL NAZI
- 00:11:02.800 --> 00:11:03.668
- YOU GOT TO THE ACTUAL NAZI CORE, THE MORE YOU
- 00:11:03.668 --> 00:11:08.439
- CORE, THE MORE YOU REALIZED THAT THIS IS A
- 00:11:08.439 --> 00:11:09.173
- REALIZED THAT THIS IS A DEATH CULT THAT HATES
- 00:11:09.173 --> 00:11:10.408
- DEATH CULT THAT HATES CHRISTIANS, AND HITLER AND
- 00:11:10.408 --> 00:11:13.310
- CHRISTIANS, AND HITLER AND HIS LIEUTENANTS ALL
- 00:11:13.310 --> 00:11:15.179
- HIS LIEUTENANTS ALL BELIEVED THAT CHRISTIANITY
- 00:11:15.179 --> 00:11:16.547
- BELIEVED THAT CHRISTIANITY IS A WEAK RELIGION;
- 00:11:16.547 --> 00:11:18.516
- IS A WEAK RELIGION; IT'S A JEWISH RELIGION.
- 00:11:18.516 --> 00:11:19.884
- IT'S A JEWISH RELIGION. THEY GOT THAT, BUT THE
- 00:11:19.884 --> 00:11:22.353
- THEY GOT THAT, BUT THE DEVIL LIES, AND HE PUTS
- 00:11:22.353 --> 00:11:23.721
- DEVIL LIES, AND HE PUTS THIS LIE OUT THERE, OVER
- 00:11:23.721 --> 00:11:25.089
- THIS LIE OUT THERE, OVER AND OVER AND OVER, THAT
- 00:11:25.089 --> 00:11:25.723
- AND OVER AND OVER, THAT WHAT THEY DID, THEY DID IN
- 00:11:25.723 --> 00:11:26.657
- WHAT THEY DID, THEY DID IN THE NAME OF CHRIST, OR
- 00:11:26.657 --> 00:11:27.258
- THE NAME OF CHRIST, OR WHATEVER, AND YOU THINK,
- 00:11:27.258 --> 00:11:28.859
- WHATEVER, AND YOU THINK, "THEY PERSECUTED CHRISTIANS."
- 00:11:28.859 --> 00:11:29.927
- "THEY PERSECUTED CHRISTIANS." IF YOU WERE A SERIOUS CHRISTIAN
- 00:11:29.927 --> 00:11:30.828
- IF YOU WERE A SERIOUS CHRISTIAN IN NAZI GERMANY,
- 00:11:30.828 --> 00:11:31.996
- IN NAZI GERMANY, YOU'RE GONNA BE SENT TO
- 00:11:31.996 --> 00:11:33.197
- YOU'RE GONNA BE SENT TO THE DEATH CAMPS TOO.
- 00:11:33.197 --> 00:11:34.432
- THE DEATH CAMPS TOO. YOU HAD TO KEEP YOUR MOUTH
- 00:11:34.432 --> 00:11:35.299
- YOU HAD TO KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AND GO ALONG WITH THE
- 00:11:35.299 --> 00:11:36.300
- - JONATHAN: SURE, I THINK
- 00:11:37.601 --> 00:11:38.769
- - JONATHAN: SURE, I THINK THE OTHER DECEPTION
- 00:11:38.769 --> 00:11:39.370
- THE OTHER DECEPTION DIMENSION THOUGH THAT'S
- 00:11:39.370 --> 00:11:40.004
- DIMENSION THOUGH THAT'S IMPORTANT IS THAT THERE
- 00:11:40.004 --> 00:11:40.771
- IMPORTANT IS THAT THERE WAS A CLIMATE THROUGHOUT
- 00:11:40.771 --> 00:11:41.939
- WAS A CLIMATE THROUGHOUT EUROPE OF ANTI-SEMITISM.
- 00:11:41.939 --> 00:11:42.540
- EUROPE OF ANTI-SEMITISM. - ERIC: OH, DEFINITELY.
- 00:11:42.540 --> 00:11:43.541
- - ERIC: OH, DEFINITELY. - JONATHAN: AND THAT
- 00:11:43.541 --> 00:11:47.011
- SIMPLY THE APATHY, IF NOT
- 00:11:48.479 --> 00:11:51.048
- SIMPLY THE APATHY, IF NOT WORSE, REALLY--
- 00:11:51.048 --> 00:11:51.649
- WORSE, REALLY-- - ERIC: THAT'S RIGHT.
- 00:11:51.649 --> 00:11:52.383
- - ERIC: THAT'S RIGHT. - JONATHAN: -- CREATED
- 00:11:52.383 --> 00:11:53.417
- - JONATHAN: -- CREATED THE ENVIRONMENT FOR WHAT
- 00:11:53.417 --> 00:11:54.351
- THE ENVIRONMENT FOR WHAT HAPPENED SO--
- 00:11:54.351 --> 00:11:54.952
- HAPPENED SO-- - ERIC: AND, ACTUALLY,
- 00:11:54.952 --> 00:11:56.721
- - ERIC: AND, ACTUALLY, THIS GETS TO THE POINT.
- 00:11:56.721 --> 00:11:58.322
- THIS GETS TO THE POINT. HOW DO WE KNOW THE JEWS
- 00:11:58.322 --> 00:11:58.989
- HOW DO WE KNOW THE JEWS ARE CHOSEN BY GOD?
- 00:11:58.989 --> 00:12:00.925
- ARE CHOSEN BY GOD? BECAUSE THEY ARE
- 00:12:00.925 --> 00:12:01.926
- BECAUSE THEY ARE UNIVERSALLY PERSECUTED?
- 00:12:01.926 --> 00:12:03.060
- UNIVERSALLY PERSECUTED? WHY DOES EVERYONE HATE
- 00:12:03.060 --> 00:12:03.594
- WHY DOES EVERYONE HATE THE JEWS?
- 00:12:03.594 --> 00:12:04.729
- THE JEWS? WHITE SUPREMACISTS, BLACK
- 00:12:04.729 --> 00:12:06.097
- WHITE SUPREMACISTS, BLACK SUPREMACISTS, THEY HAVE
- 00:12:06.097 --> 00:12:07.565
- SUPREMACISTS, THEY HAVE SOMETHING IN COMMON: THEY
- 00:12:07.565 --> 00:12:09.400
- SOMETHING IN COMMON: THEY DON'T LIKE THE JEWS.
- 00:12:09.400 --> 00:12:10.334
- DON'T LIKE THE JEWS. THEY POINT TO THE JEWS AS
- 00:12:10.334 --> 00:12:11.502
- THEY POINT TO THE JEWS AS THE PROBLEM, THE WORLD'S
- 00:12:11.502 --> 00:12:12.403
- THE PROBLEM, THE WORLD'S PROBLEM, AND YOU THINK,
- 00:12:12.403 --> 00:12:13.237
- PROBLEM, AND YOU THINK, "ISN'T THAT INTERESTING
- 00:12:13.237 --> 00:12:14.939
- "ISN'T THAT INTERESTING THAT GOD'S PEOPLE ARE
- 00:12:14.939 --> 00:12:16.707
- THAT GOD'S PEOPLE ARE BEING PERSECUTED REALLY
- 00:12:16.707 --> 00:12:18.342
- BEING PERSECUTED REALLY FOR BEING GOD'S PEOPLE?"
- 00:12:18.342 --> 00:12:18.976
- FOR BEING GOD'S PEOPLE?" - JONATHAN: THERE'S NO
- 00:12:18.976 --> 00:12:20.077
- - JONATHAN: THERE'S NO LOGIC TO IT AT ALL UNLESS
- 00:12:20.077 --> 00:12:22.480
- LOGIC TO IT AT ALL UNLESS YOU BELIEVE IN AN ENEMY OF
- 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:23.247
- YOU BELIEVE IN AN ENEMY OF GOD, A LITERAL SATAN, WHO
- 00:12:23.247 --> 00:12:26.016
- GOD, A LITERAL SATAN, WHO IS COMMITTED TO THE
- 00:12:26.016 --> 00:12:27.318
- IS COMMITTED TO THE DESTRUCTION OF THE JEWISH
- 00:12:27.318 --> 00:12:28.185
- DESTRUCTION OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE BECAUSE HE
- 00:12:28.185 --> 00:12:28.886
- PEOPLE BECAUSE HE HATES GOD.
- 00:12:28.886 --> 00:12:29.954
- HATES GOD. - ERIC: SO LET'S GO BACK.
- 00:12:29.954 --> 00:12:31.455
- - ERIC: SO LET'S GO BACK. SO YOU HEAR ABOUT GOD.
- 00:12:31.455 --> 00:12:33.457
- SO YOU HEAR ABOUT GOD. YOU HEAR ABOUT JESUS IN
- 00:12:33.457 --> 00:12:34.358
- YOU HEAR ABOUT JESUS IN YOUNG LIFE, WHICH IS IN A
- 00:12:34.358 --> 00:12:35.326
- YOUNG LIFE, WHICH IS IN A HIGH SCHOOL MINISTRY.
- 00:12:35.326 --> 00:12:36.894
- HIGH SCHOOL MINISTRY. AT WHAT POINT DO YOU GET
- 00:12:36.894 --> 00:12:37.628
- AT WHAT POINT DO YOU GET MORE INTERESTED?
- 00:12:37.628 --> 00:12:38.863
- MORE INTERESTED? - JONATHAN: IN COLLEGE,
- 00:12:38.863 --> 00:12:41.132
- - JONATHAN: IN COLLEGE, AFTER BEING EXPOSED TO
- 00:12:41.132 --> 00:12:44.935
- AFTER BEING EXPOSED TO SPIRITUAL PHENOMENON THAT
- 00:12:44.935 --> 00:12:46.604
- SPIRITUAL PHENOMENON THAT I HAD NO EXPLANATION FOR.
- 00:12:46.604 --> 00:12:47.204
- I HAD NO EXPLANATION FOR. - ERIC: WOW, SO YOU'RE
- 00:12:47.204 --> 00:12:48.105
- - ERIC: WOW, SO YOU'RE IN COLLEGE.
- 00:12:48.105 --> 00:12:49.774
- IN COLLEGE. YOU'RE NOT A CHRISTIAN.
- 00:12:49.774 --> 00:12:50.407
- YOU'RE NOT A CHRISTIAN. YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN
- 00:12:50.407 --> 00:12:51.542
- YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN JESUS, BUT STUFF,
- 00:12:51.542 --> 00:12:53.010
- JESUS, BUT STUFF, SPIRITUAL STUFF STARTS TO
- 00:12:53.010 --> 00:12:55.012
- SPIRITUAL STUFF STARTS TO HAPPEN-- LIKE, DARK
- 00:12:55.012 --> 00:12:55.880
- HAPPEN-- LIKE, DARK SPIRITUAL STUFF?
- 00:12:55.880 --> 00:12:56.747
- SPIRITUAL STUFF? - JONATHAN: STUFF THAT
- 00:12:56.747 --> 00:12:57.948
- - JONATHAN: STUFF THAT INITIALLY NOT THAT I
- 00:12:57.948 --> 00:13:00.284
- INITIALLY NOT THAT I PERCEIVED, BUT AS TIME
- 00:13:00.284 --> 00:13:00.918
- PERCEIVED, BUT AS TIME WENT ON, IT BECAME CLEARER
- 00:13:00.918 --> 00:13:02.453
- WENT ON, IT BECAME CLEARER AND CLEARER, THIS IS A
- 00:13:02.453 --> 00:13:03.921
- AND CLEARER, THIS IS A DEMONIC REALM.
- 00:13:03.921 --> 00:13:05.156
- DEMONIC REALM. THERE ARE DEMONS.
- 00:13:05.156 --> 00:13:06.423
- THERE ARE DEMONS. IT WAS-- I BECAME CERTAIN
- 00:13:06.423 --> 00:13:07.992
- IT WAS-- I BECAME CERTAIN OF THAT.
- 00:13:07.992 --> 00:13:09.026
- OF THAT. THERE WAS NO QUESTION.
- 00:13:09.026 --> 00:13:09.960
- THERE WAS NO QUESTION. - ERIC: SO YOU'RE
- 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:10.494
- - ERIC: SO YOU'RE IN COLLEGE?
- 00:13:10.494 --> 00:13:11.195
- IN COLLEGE? NOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK
- 00:13:11.195 --> 00:13:12.296
- NOW, WHAT DO YOU THINK MADE THIS HAPPEN WHEN YOU
- 00:13:12.296 --> 00:13:12.897
- MADE THIS HAPPEN WHEN YOU WERE IN COLLEGE?
- 00:13:12.897 --> 00:13:13.531
- WERE IN COLLEGE? THAT'S PHENOMENAL.
- 00:13:13.531 --> 00:13:14.598
- THAT'S PHENOMENAL. - JONATHAN: I THINK I WAS
- 00:13:14.598 --> 00:13:15.866
- - JONATHAN: I THINK I WAS ON A PURSUIT, A SINCERE
- 00:13:15.866 --> 00:13:17.434
- ON A PURSUIT, A SINCERE PURSUIT OF TRUTH, AND I
- 00:13:17.434 --> 00:13:20.104
- PURSUIT OF TRUTH, AND I GOT THE TRUTH FAR MORE
- 00:13:20.104 --> 00:13:21.539
- GOT THE TRUTH FAR MORE THAN I BARGAINED FOR,
- 00:13:21.539 --> 00:13:23.374
- THAN I BARGAINED FOR, AND WHAT HAPPENED THAT CHANGED
- 00:13:23.374 --> 00:13:24.241
- AND WHAT HAPPENED THAT CHANGED EVERYTHING FOR ME WAS A
- 00:13:24.241 --> 00:13:25.776
- EVERYTHING FOR ME WAS A GIRLFRIEND, A FRIEND THAT
- 00:13:25.776 --> 00:13:27.611
- GIRLFRIEND, A FRIEND THAT I HAD BEEN DOING DRUGS
- 00:13:27.611 --> 00:13:30.114
- I HAD BEEN DOING DRUGS WITH, THAT STARTED TO DROP
- 00:13:30.114 --> 00:13:33.617
- WITH, THAT STARTED TO DROP OUT OF CLASSES, AND I LOST
- 00:13:33.617 --> 00:13:35.719
- OUT OF CLASSES, AND I LOST CONTACT WITH HER, AND THEN
- 00:13:35.719 --> 00:13:36.720
- CONTACT WITH HER, AND THEN SHE REAPPEARED IN MY LIFE
- 00:13:36.720 --> 00:13:37.888
- SHE REAPPEARED IN MY LIFE ON-- WHEN I BUMPED INTO
- 00:13:37.888 --> 00:13:38.656
- ON-- WHEN I BUMPED INTO HER ON CAMPUS, AND SHE
- 00:13:38.656 --> 00:13:40.457
- HER ON CAMPUS, AND SHE LOOKED FANTASTIC.
- 00:13:40.457 --> 00:13:42.593
- LOOKED FANTASTIC. SHE WAS VIBRANT.
- 00:13:42.593 --> 00:13:43.694
- SHE WAS VIBRANT. SHE JUST HAD A LOOK OF
- 00:13:43.694 --> 00:13:47.965
- SHE JUST HAD A LOOK OF WHOLENESS AND PURITY, AND
- 00:13:47.965 --> 00:13:49.033
- WHOLENESS AND PURITY, AND THAT'S ALL-- THE ONLY WAY
- 00:13:49.033 --> 00:13:50.801
- THAT'S ALL-- THE ONLY WAY I CAN DESCRIBE IT, AND I
- 00:13:50.801 --> 00:13:51.702
- I CAN DESCRIBE IT, AND I ASKED HER WHAT HAPPENED TO
- 00:13:51.702 --> 00:13:52.837
- ASKED HER WHAT HAPPENED TO HER, AND SHE HAD HAD AN
- 00:13:52.837 --> 00:13:54.071
- HER, AND SHE HAD HAD AN EXPERIENCE WITH JESUS AND
- 00:13:54.071 --> 00:13:57.441
- EXPERIENCE WITH JESUS AND WAS RECENTLY BORN AGAIN,
- 00:13:57.441 --> 00:14:00.311
- WAS RECENTLY BORN AGAIN, AND SHE BEGAN TO CALL ME.
- 00:14:00.311 --> 00:14:02.079
- AND SHE BEGAN TO CALL ME. LITERALLY EVERY DAY SHE
- 00:14:02.079 --> 00:14:03.614
- LITERALLY EVERY DAY SHE WOULD CALL AND TELL ME
- 00:14:03.614 --> 00:14:05.249
- WOULD CALL AND TELL ME ABOUT HOW GOD HAD CHANGED
- 00:14:05.249 --> 00:14:06.784
- ABOUT HOW GOD HAD CHANGED HER LIFE AND ASKED ME THE
- 00:14:06.784 --> 00:14:08.018
- HER LIFE AND ASKED ME THE VERY QUESTIONS THAT I HAD
- 00:14:08.018 --> 00:14:09.587
- VERY QUESTIONS THAT I HAD BEEN TRYING TO ANSWER:
- 00:14:09.587 --> 00:14:10.821
- BEEN TRYING TO ANSWER: "WHY ARE YOU HERE, AND
- 00:14:10.821 --> 00:14:11.789
- "WHY ARE YOU HERE, AND WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO YOU
- 00:14:11.789 --> 00:14:12.590
- WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO YOU AFTER YOU DIE?"
- 00:14:12.590 --> 00:14:14.158
- AFTER YOU DIE?" AND THAT LED TO A BIBLE
- 00:14:14.158 --> 00:14:15.426
- AND THAT LED TO A BIBLE STUDY, TO GO INTO A BIBLE
- 00:14:15.426 --> 00:14:16.460
- STUDY, TO GO INTO A BIBLE STUDY WITH HER, A BIBLE
- 00:14:16.460 --> 00:14:17.461
- STUDY WITH HER, A BIBLE STUDY THAT I REALLY DIDN'T
- 00:14:17.461 --> 00:14:18.362
- STUDY THAT I REALLY DIDN'T WANNA GO TO, FRANKLY.
- 00:14:18.362 --> 00:14:19.563
- WANNA GO TO, FRANKLY. I REMEMBER HER CALLING,
- 00:14:19.563 --> 00:14:20.464
- I REMEMBER HER CALLING, AND THINKING, "I'M NOT
- 00:14:20.464 --> 00:14:21.332
- AND THINKING, "I'M NOT GONNA ANSWER THE PHONE,"
- 00:14:21.332 --> 00:14:22.266
- GONNA ANSWER THE PHONE," AND I WOULD ANSWER IT.
- 00:14:22.266 --> 00:14:23.500
- AND I WOULD ANSWER IT. I FOUND OUT LATER THAT SHE
- 00:14:23.500 --> 00:14:24.902
- I FOUND OUT LATER THAT SHE HAD ALL OF HER FRIENDS IN
- 00:14:24.902 --> 00:14:26.303
- HAD ALL OF HER FRIENDS IN HER NEW CHURCH AND BIBLE
- 00:14:26.303 --> 00:14:27.171
- HER NEW CHURCH AND BIBLE STUDY, PRAYING FOR ME
- 00:14:27.171 --> 00:14:28.439
- STUDY, PRAYING FOR ME BY NAME.
- 00:14:28.439 --> 00:14:29.874
- BY NAME. - ERIC: THESE STORIES ARE
- 00:14:29.874 --> 00:14:30.507
- - ERIC: THESE STORIES ARE AMAZING, AND IT'S SO GOOD
- 00:14:30.507 --> 00:14:32.843
- AMAZING, AND IT'S SO GOOD TO HEAR YOUR STORY BECAUSE
- 00:14:32.843 --> 00:14:33.444
- TO HEAR YOUR STORY BECAUSE MANY OF US HAVE STORIES
- 00:14:33.444 --> 00:14:34.912
- MANY OF US HAVE STORIES LIKE THIS, THAT PEOPLE ARE
- 00:14:34.912 --> 00:14:36.146
- LIKE THIS, THAT PEOPLE ARE PRAYING FOR YOU, AND YOU
- 00:14:36.146 --> 00:14:37.748
- PRAYING FOR YOU, AND YOU DON'T WANNA GO TO THE
- 00:14:37.748 --> 00:14:38.515
- DON'T WANNA GO TO THE BIBLE STUDY, YOU DON'T
- 00:14:38.515 --> 00:14:39.283
- BIBLE STUDY, YOU DON'T WANNA GO TO THE CHURCH.
- 00:14:39.283 --> 00:14:41.518
- WANNA GO TO THE CHURCH. IT JUST THIS WEIRD KABUKI
- 00:14:41.518 --> 00:14:42.853
- IT JUST THIS WEIRD KABUKI THEATER THING THAT SOME OF
- 00:14:42.853 --> 00:14:43.420
- THEATER THING THAT SOME OF US GO THROUGH.
- 00:14:43.420 --> 00:14:44.255
- US GO THROUGH. THEN YOU LOOK BACK, AND
- 00:14:44.255 --> 00:14:45.589
- THEN YOU LOOK BACK, AND YOU THINK, "THANK GOD I
- 00:14:45.589 --> 00:14:47.925
- YOU THINK, "THANK GOD I WENT TO THE BIBLE STUDY.
- 00:14:47.925 --> 00:14:48.993
- WENT TO THE BIBLE STUDY. WHERE WOULD I BE TODAY?"
- 00:14:48.993 --> 00:14:49.960
- WHERE WOULD I BE TODAY?" WE'RE GONNA BE RIGHT BACK,
- 00:14:49.960 --> 00:14:50.461
- WE'RE GONNA BE RIGHT BACK, TALKING TO
- 00:14:50.461 --> 00:14:51.562
- TALKING TO JONATHAN BERNIS.
- 00:14:51.562 --> 00:14:52.196
- JONATHAN BERNIS. DON'T GO AWAY.
- 00:14:52.196 --> 00:14:57.004
- DON'T GO AWAY. [MUSIC]
- 00:14:57.004 --> 00:15:01.337
- [MUSIC] [MUSIC]
- 00:15:01.337 --> 00:15:02.305
- [MUSIC] - ERIC: I'M TALKING TO
- 00:15:02.305 --> 00:15:04.274
- - ERIC: I'M TALKING TO JONATHAN BERNIS.
- 00:15:04.274 --> 00:15:05.174
- JONATHAN BERNIS. YOU WERE JUST SHARING
- 00:15:05.174 --> 00:15:07.810
- YOU WERE JUST SHARING ABOUT WHEN YOU CAME TO FAITH.
- 00:15:07.810 --> 00:15:08.945
- ABOUT WHEN YOU CAME TO FAITH. YOU'RE A SECULAR GUY,
- 00:15:08.945 --> 00:15:11.014
- YOU'RE A SECULAR GUY, RAISED AS AN AGNOSTIC JEW.
- 00:15:11.014 --> 00:15:12.315
- RAISED AS AN AGNOSTIC JEW. YOU'RE UP AT THE
- 00:15:12.315 --> 00:15:13.783
- YOU'RE UP AT THE UNIVERSITY OF BUFFALO.
- 00:15:13.783 --> 00:15:15.051
- UNIVERSITY OF BUFFALO. YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING.
- 00:15:15.051 --> 00:15:15.618
- YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. YOU'RE JUST KIND OF--
- 00:15:15.618 --> 00:15:17.320
- YOU'RE JUST KIND OF-- AND YOU START HAVING CREEPY,
- 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:18.788
- AND YOU START HAVING CREEPY, SUPERNATURAL PHENOMENA
- 00:15:18.788 --> 00:15:20.590
- SUPERNATURAL PHENOMENA HAPPEN TO YOU BEFORE THIS
- 00:15:20.590 --> 00:15:22.892
- HAPPEN TO YOU BEFORE THIS FRIEND OF YOURS, THIS
- 00:15:22.892 --> 00:15:24.260
- FRIEND OF YOURS, THIS YOUNG WOMAN ACCEPTS JESUS,
- 00:15:24.260 --> 00:15:25.561
- YOUNG WOMAN ACCEPTS JESUS, AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE, YOU
- 00:15:25.561 --> 00:15:28.331
- AND IT'S ALMOST LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T EXPLAIN
- 00:15:28.331 --> 00:15:29.299
- KNOW, WE CAN'T EXPLAIN THESE THINGS ALL THE TIME,
- 00:15:29.299 --> 00:15:30.366
- THESE THINGS ALL THE TIME, BUT SOMETIMES GOD IS
- 00:15:30.366 --> 00:15:31.434
- BUT SOMETIMES GOD IS TRYING TO GET OUR
- 00:15:31.434 --> 00:15:32.535
- TRYING TO GET OUR ATTENTION BY ALLOWING THE
- 00:15:32.535 --> 00:15:36.839
- ATTENTION BY ALLOWING THE DARK FORCES IN,
- 00:15:36.839 --> 00:15:37.473
- DARK FORCES IN, SO THAT WE START THINKING,
- 00:15:37.473 --> 00:15:38.141
- SO THAT WE START THINKING, "HEY, SOMETHING'S GOING ON.
- 00:15:38.141 --> 00:15:38.741
- "HEY, SOMETHING'S GOING ON. THERE'S SOMETHING BEYOND
- 00:15:38.741 --> 00:15:39.876
- - JONATHAN: I REMEMBER
- 00:15:41.311 --> 00:15:41.945
- - JONATHAN: I REMEMBER ANOTHER TIME, I WAS
- 00:15:41.945 --> 00:15:42.578
- ANOTHER TIME, I WAS STANDING ON THE SOUND
- 00:15:42.578 --> 00:15:43.546
- STANDING ON THE SOUND BOARD AT THE GRATEFUL DEAD
- 00:15:43.546 --> 00:15:45.081
- BOARD AT THE GRATEFUL DEAD CONCERT, AND A VOICE,
- 00:15:45.081 --> 00:15:46.115
- CONCERT, AND A VOICE, MAYBE IT WAS SATAN OR A
- 00:15:46.115 --> 00:15:50.119
- "I CAN'T KEEP YOU HERE."
- 00:15:52.121 --> 00:15:52.855
- "I CAN'T KEEP YOU HERE." THIS IS LITERALLY WHAT I
- 00:15:52.855 --> 00:15:54.624
- THIS IS LITERALLY WHAT I HEARD: "I CAN'T KEEP YOU
- 00:15:54.624 --> 00:15:55.725
- HEARD: "I CAN'T KEEP YOU HERE BECAUSE THE ONE WHO
- 00:15:55.725 --> 00:15:57.727
- HERE BECAUSE THE ONE WHO CALLS YOU IS HIGHER,"
- 00:15:57.727 --> 00:15:59.162
- CALLS YOU IS HIGHER," AND I HAD ALREADY BEEN EXPOSED
- 00:15:59.162 --> 00:16:01.597
- AND I HAD ALREADY BEEN EXPOSED TO THE GOSPEL-- AMAZING.
- 00:16:01.597 --> 00:16:02.665
- TO THE GOSPEL-- AMAZING. I'M JUST THINKING BACK AT
- 00:16:02.665 --> 00:16:03.232
- I'M JUST THINKING BACK AT SOME OF THESE THINGS.
- 00:16:03.232 --> 00:16:04.200
- SOME OF THESE THINGS. - ERIC: I MEAN, I THINK
- 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:05.168
- - ERIC: I MEAN, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW,
- 00:16:05.168 --> 00:16:06.302
- IT'S IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE DON'T SHRINK FROM
- 00:16:06.302 --> 00:16:08.371
- THAT WE DON'T SHRINK FROM THESE CONVERSATIONS
- 00:16:08.371 --> 00:16:08.972
- THESE CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE PEOPLE NEED TO
- 00:16:08.972 --> 00:16:09.839
- BECAUSE PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THERE'S
- 00:16:09.839 --> 00:16:10.473
- UNDERSTAND THERE'S SOMETHING BEYOND THE
- 00:16:10.473 --> 00:16:11.207
- SOMETHING BEYOND THE MATERIAL, AND IT'S NOT
- 00:16:11.207 --> 00:16:13.509
- MATERIAL, AND IT'S NOT ALL GOOD.
- 00:16:13.509 --> 00:16:14.744
- ALL GOOD. THE DEMONIC WORLD IS REAL,
- 00:16:14.744 --> 00:16:15.912
- THE DEMONIC WORLD IS REAL, AND IF YOU JUST WANT THE
- 00:16:15.912 --> 00:16:17.180
- AND IF YOU JUST WANT THE SIMPLEST REASON TO RUN
- 00:16:17.180 --> 00:16:18.381
- SIMPLEST REASON TO RUN INTO THE ARMS OF JESUS--
- 00:16:18.381 --> 00:16:19.382
- INTO THE ARMS OF JESUS-- IS TO ESCAPE THE CLUTCHES
- 00:16:19.382 --> 00:16:22.251
- IS TO ESCAPE THE CLUTCHES OF DEMONS.
- 00:16:22.251 --> 00:16:23.319
- OF DEMONS. THERE'S NOTHING MORE HORRIFYING.
- 00:16:23.319 --> 00:16:24.554
- THERE'S NOTHING MORE HORRIFYING. A LOT OF PEOPLE BAT IT AWAY
- 00:16:24.554 --> 00:16:28.091
- A LOT OF PEOPLE BAT IT AWAY AS THOUGH, BY IGNORING IT,
- 00:16:28.091 --> 00:16:30.293
- AS THOUGH, BY IGNORING IT, YOU CAN AVOID IT, BUT IT'S
- 00:16:30.293 --> 00:16:31.761
- YOU CAN AVOID IT, BUT IT'S REAL AND--
- 00:16:31.761 --> 00:16:32.462
- REAL AND-- - JONATHAN: IT'S VERY REAL.
- 00:16:32.462 --> 00:16:33.296
- - JONATHAN: IT'S VERY REAL. - ERIC: IT STRIKES ME
- 00:16:33.296 --> 00:16:33.863
- - ERIC: IT STRIKES ME THOUGH, TOO, THAT WHEN
- 00:16:33.863 --> 00:16:34.864
- THOUGH, TOO, THAT WHEN YOU'RE HANGING AROUND THE
- 00:16:34.864 --> 00:16:35.698
- YOU'RE HANGING AROUND THE GRATEFUL DEAD AND DOING
- 00:16:35.698 --> 00:16:36.833
- GRATEFUL DEAD AND DOING THOSE KINDS OF DRUGS, THAT
- 00:16:36.833 --> 00:16:38.968
- THOSE KINDS OF DRUGS, THAT ATMOSPHERE IS PRETTY RIPE
- 00:16:38.968 --> 00:16:42.405
- ATMOSPHERE IS PRETTY RIPE FOR DARK, SPIRITUAL STUFF.
- 00:16:42.405 --> 00:16:43.940
- FOR DARK, SPIRITUAL STUFF. I'VE HEARD MANY PEOPLE IN
- 00:16:43.940 --> 00:16:45.842
- I'VE HEARD MANY PEOPLE IN THAT WORLD OF DRUGS,
- 00:16:45.842 --> 00:16:46.609
- THAT WORLD OF DRUGS, WHICH, OBVIOUSLY, THE
- 00:16:46.609 --> 00:16:47.677
- WHICH, OBVIOUSLY, THE GRATEFUL DEAD IS A WHOLE
- 00:16:47.677 --> 00:16:50.947
- GRATEFUL DEAD IS A WHOLE CULTURE, THAT YOU'RE KIND
- 00:16:50.947 --> 00:16:52.148
- CULTURE, THAT YOU'RE KIND OF OPENING YOURSELF UP TO
- 00:16:52.148 --> 00:16:52.782
- OF OPENING YOURSELF UP TO SOMETHING OUT THERE, BUT
- 00:16:52.782 --> 00:16:53.449
- SOMETHING OUT THERE, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
- 00:16:53.449 --> 00:16:54.017
- YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. - JONATHAN: NOTHING'S
- 00:16:54.017 --> 00:16:54.584
- - JONATHAN: NOTHING'S CHANGED.
- 00:16:54.584 --> 00:16:55.118
- CHANGED. OUR PEOPLE WANT
- 00:16:55.118 --> 00:16:55.985
- OUR PEOPLE WANT SOMETHING SPIRITUAL.
- 00:16:55.985 --> 00:16:57.120
- SOMETHING SPIRITUAL. THEY DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOD.
- 00:16:57.120 --> 00:16:58.354
- THEY DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOD. - ERIC: ABSOLUTELY, AND
- 00:16:58.354 --> 00:16:59.188
- - ERIC: ABSOLUTELY, AND WE SHOULDN'T KNOCK IT, RIGHT?
- 00:16:59.188 --> 00:16:59.922
- WE SHOULDN'T KNOCK IT, RIGHT? WHAT WERE YOU STUDYING IN
- 00:16:59.922 --> 00:17:00.456
- WHAT WERE YOU STUDYING IN COLLEGE?
- 00:17:00.456 --> 00:17:01.591
- COLLEGE? WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR LIFE?
- 00:17:01.591 --> 00:17:02.325
- WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR LIFE? - JONATHAN: WELL, I WAS
- 00:17:02.325 --> 00:17:03.593
- - JONATHAN: WELL, I WAS STUDYING BUSINESS
- 00:17:03.593 --> 00:17:04.060
- STUDYING BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION.
- 00:17:04.060 --> 00:17:04.994
- ADMINISTRATION. I JUST FINISHED MY SECOND
- 00:17:04.994 --> 00:17:05.962
- I JUST FINISHED MY SECOND YEAR.
- 00:17:05.962 --> 00:17:06.729
- YEAR. AND I SAID EARLIER THAT I
- 00:17:06.729 --> 00:17:08.031
- AND I SAID EARLIER THAT I HAD THIS ONE GOAL OF BEING
- 00:17:08.031 --> 00:17:09.165
- HAD THIS ONE GOAL OF BEING A SUCCESSFUL,
- 00:17:09.165 --> 00:17:11.367
- A SUCCESSFUL, MULTIMILLION-- A
- 00:17:11.367 --> 00:17:12.902
- MULTIMILLION-- A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSMAN,
- 00:17:12.902 --> 00:17:14.337
- SUCCESSFUL BUSINESSMAN, MULTIMILLIONAIRE, AND NOW
- 00:17:14.337 --> 00:17:15.972
- MULTIMILLIONAIRE, AND NOW I WAS CONFRONTED WITH THE
- 00:17:15.972 --> 00:17:18.708
- I WAS CONFRONTED WITH THE CALL ON MY LIFE.
- 00:17:18.708 --> 00:17:20.977
- CALL ON MY LIFE. I KNEW SHORTLY AFTER THAT
- 00:17:20.977 --> 00:17:22.378
- I KNEW SHORTLY AFTER THAT BIBLE STUDY THAT GOD WAS REAL,
- 00:17:22.378 --> 00:17:24.847
- BIBLE STUDY THAT GOD WAS REAL, THAT HE WAS CALLING ME TO
- 00:17:24.847 --> 00:17:26.349
- THAT HE WAS CALLING ME TO SHARE WITH MY PEOPLE,
- 00:17:26.349 --> 00:17:27.950
- SHARE WITH MY PEOPLE, THE JEWISH PEOPLE,
- 00:17:27.950 --> 00:17:29.952
- THE JEWISH PEOPLE, THE TRUTH THAT I HAD
- 00:17:29.952 --> 00:17:30.953
- THE TRUTH THAT I HAD DISCOVERED THAT JESUS
- 00:17:30.953 --> 00:17:31.854
- DISCOVERED THAT JESUS WAS MY MESSIAH.
- 00:17:31.854 --> 00:17:33.890
- WAS MY MESSIAH. I WAS ABSOLUTELY STUNNED
- 00:17:33.890 --> 00:17:34.891
- I WAS ABSOLUTELY STUNNED WHEN I OPENED THE PAGES OF
- 00:17:34.891 --> 00:17:36.259
- WHEN I OPENED THE PAGES OF THE NEW TESTAMENT AND
- 00:17:36.259 --> 00:17:37.994
- THE NEW TESTAMENT AND READ, "JESUS, THE SON OF
- 00:17:37.994 --> 00:17:39.829
- READ, "JESUS, THE SON OF ABRAHAM, THE SON OF DAVID."
- 00:17:39.829 --> 00:17:42.098
- ABRAHAM, THE SON OF DAVID." THAT WAS A SHOCK TO ME.
- 00:17:42.098 --> 00:17:42.899
- THAT WAS A SHOCK TO ME. "WHAT'S ABRAHAM AND DAVID
- 00:17:42.899 --> 00:17:43.800
- "WHAT'S ABRAHAM AND DAVID DOING IN THE BOOK OF THE
- 00:17:43.800 --> 00:17:45.802
- DOING IN THE BOOK OF THE CHRISTIANS?"
- 00:17:45.802 --> 00:17:47.203
- CHRISTIANS?" I THEORIZED A "STAR TREK"
- 00:17:47.203 --> 00:17:50.139
- I THEORIZED A "STAR TREK" PARALLEL UNIVERSE OR
- 00:17:50.139 --> 00:17:50.940
- PARALLEL UNIVERSE OR SOMETHING, "THERE MUST BE
- 00:17:50.940 --> 00:17:52.375
- SOMETHING, "THERE MUST BE TWO DAVIDS AND TWO
- 00:17:52.375 --> 00:17:53.176
- TWO DAVIDS AND TWO ABRAHAMS," AND THEN
- 00:17:53.176 --> 00:17:54.811
- ABRAHAMS," AND THEN DISCOVERED THAT JESUS WAS
- 00:17:54.811 --> 00:17:56.112
- DISCOVERED THAT JESUS WAS JEWISH, AS YOU SAID
- 00:17:56.112 --> 00:17:56.846
- JEWISH, AS YOU SAID EARLIER, ALL HIS DISCIPLES
- 00:17:56.846 --> 00:17:58.281
- EARLIER, ALL HIS DISCIPLES WERE ALL JEWS.
- 00:17:58.281 --> 00:17:59.282
- WERE ALL JEWS. - ERIC: HEY, LET'S BE HONEST.
- 00:17:59.282 --> 00:18:00.383
- - ERIC: HEY, LET'S BE HONEST. THERE IS NO BOOK MORE
- 00:18:00.383 --> 00:18:02.251
- THERE IS NO BOOK MORE JEWISH THAN THE NEW TESTAMENT.
- 00:18:02.251 --> 00:18:04.587
- JEWISH THAN THE NEW TESTAMENT. IT'S WALL-TO-WALL JEWS,
- 00:18:04.587 --> 00:18:08.257
- IT'S WALL-TO-WALL JEWS, EVERYBODY, MARY, JESUS,
- 00:18:08.257 --> 00:18:09.025
- EVERYBODY, MARY, JESUS, MATTHEW, MARK-- MAYBE NOT
- 00:18:09.025 --> 00:18:09.625
- MATTHEW, MARK-- MAYBE NOT LUKE, BUT JOHN--
- 00:18:09.625 --> 00:18:13.162
- LUKE, BUT JOHN-- EVERYBODY IS JEWISH.
- 00:18:13.162 --> 00:18:14.664
- EVERYBODY IS JEWISH. - JONATHAN: IT'S SO JEWISH.
- 00:18:14.664 --> 00:18:16.365
- - JONATHAN: IT'S SO JEWISH. THAT'S WHAT I DISCOVERED,
- 00:18:16.365 --> 00:18:17.266
- THAT'S WHAT I DISCOVERED, AND THEN I WENT BACK TO MY
- 00:18:17.266 --> 00:18:18.234
- AND THEN I WENT BACK TO MY OWN SCRIPTURES, AND I
- 00:18:18.234 --> 00:18:18.868
- OWN SCRIPTURES, AND I DISCOVERED PROPHECY AFTER
- 00:18:18.868 --> 00:18:19.969
- DISCOVERED PROPHECY AFTER PROPHECY AFTER PROPHECY
- 00:18:19.969 --> 00:18:21.537
- PROPHECY AFTER PROPHECY THAT LAID OUT THIS PICTURE
- 00:18:21.537 --> 00:18:24.907
- THAT LAID OUT THIS PICTURE OF THE MESSIAH HUNDREDS OF
- 00:18:24.907 --> 00:18:26.275
- OF THE MESSIAH HUNDREDS OF YEARS BEFORE JESUS CAME,
- 00:18:26.275 --> 00:18:27.710
- YEARS BEFORE JESUS CAME, AND I SAW JESUS IN ALL
- 00:18:27.710 --> 00:18:28.544
- AND I SAW JESUS IN ALL OF THESE PROPHECIES,
- 00:18:28.544 --> 00:18:30.446
- OF THESE PROPHECIES, ISAIAH 53, PSALM 22,
- 00:18:30.446 --> 00:18:31.347
- ISAIAH 53, PSALM 22, THROUGHOUT ZECHARIAH.
- 00:18:31.347 --> 00:18:34.484
- THROUGHOUT ZECHARIAH. IT WAS JUST
- 00:18:34.484 --> 00:18:36.686
- IT WAS JUST LIFE-TRANSFORMING.
- 00:18:36.686 --> 00:18:38.554
- LIFE-TRANSFORMING. - ERIC: I WAS GONNA SAY,
- 00:18:38.554 --> 00:18:39.122
- - ERIC: I WAS GONNA SAY, WHAT'S MORE SHOCKING,
- 00:18:39.122 --> 00:18:40.323
- WHAT'S MORE SHOCKING, FINDING JEWISHNESS ALL
- 00:18:40.323 --> 00:18:41.190
- FINDING JEWISHNESS ALL THROUGH THE NEW TESTAMENT
- 00:18:41.190 --> 00:18:43.126
- THROUGH THE NEW TESTAMENT OR FINDING JESUS OF THE
- 00:18:43.126 --> 00:18:44.193
- OR FINDING JESUS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT ALL THROUGH
- 00:18:44.193 --> 00:18:45.261
- NEW TESTAMENT ALL THROUGH THE OLD TESTAMENT?
- 00:18:45.261 --> 00:18:45.962
- THE OLD TESTAMENT? - JONATHAN: THE WHOLE THING.
- 00:18:45.962 --> 00:18:46.596
- - JONATHAN: THE WHOLE THING. THE WHOLE THING.
- 00:18:46.596 --> 00:18:47.497
- THE WHOLE THING. - ERIC: OH, MY GOSH.
- 00:18:47.497 --> 00:18:48.197
- - ERIC: OH, MY GOSH. - JONATHAN: AND I KNEW THAT
- 00:18:48.197 --> 00:18:49.198
- - JONATHAN: AND I KNEW THAT I WAS CALLED INTO MINISTRY,
- 00:18:49.198 --> 00:18:50.666
- I WAS CALLED INTO MINISTRY, SO AFTER ANOTHER YEAR
- 00:18:50.666 --> 00:18:51.601
- SO AFTER ANOTHER YEAR OF BUSINESS, I LEFT
- 00:18:51.601 --> 00:18:52.969
- OF BUSINESS, I LEFT THE SCHOOL OF BUSINESS AND
- 00:18:52.969 --> 00:18:54.237
- THE SCHOOL OF BUSINESS AND PURSUED A DEGREE IN
- 00:18:54.237 --> 00:18:56.472
- PURSUED A DEGREE IN HUMANITIES, STUDIED SCRIPTURE,
- 00:18:56.472 --> 00:18:57.673
- HUMANITIES, STUDIED SCRIPTURE, AND WENT INTO
- 00:18:57.673 --> 00:18:59.542
- AND WENT INTO MINISTRY WHEN I WAS 24,
- 00:18:59.542 --> 00:19:02.211
- MINISTRY WHEN I WAS 24, PLANTED A MESSIANIC
- 00:19:02.211 --> 00:19:03.546
- PLANTED A MESSIANIC JEWISH CONGREGATION IN THE
- 00:19:03.546 --> 00:19:05.748
- JEWISH CONGREGATION IN THE CITY MY MOTHER LIVED, SO
- 00:19:05.748 --> 00:19:06.415
- CITY MY MOTHER LIVED, SO IT WASN'T A--
- 00:19:06.415 --> 00:19:06.883
- IT WASN'T A-- - ERIC: WHERE?
- 00:19:06.883 --> 00:19:07.517
- - ERIC: WHERE? - JONATHAN: IN ROCHESTER,
- 00:19:07.517 --> 00:19:07.950
- - JONATHAN: IN ROCHESTER, NEW YORK.
- 00:19:07.950 --> 00:19:08.451
- NEW YORK. - ERIC: WOW.
- 00:19:08.451 --> 00:19:09.085
- - ERIC: WOW. - JONATHAN: SO I DID THAT
- 00:19:09.085 --> 00:19:09.685
- - JONATHAN: SO I DID THAT FOR NINE YEARS AND THEN
- 00:19:09.685 --> 00:19:10.586
- FOR NINE YEARS AND THEN MOVED TO RUSSIA.
- 00:19:10.586 --> 00:19:11.521
- MOVED TO RUSSIA. - ERIC: AND YOU SAY YOU
- 00:19:11.521 --> 00:19:12.121
- - ERIC: AND YOU SAY YOU MOVED TO RUSSIA BECAUSE
- 00:19:12.121 --> 00:19:13.489
- MOVED TO RUSSIA BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO REACH
- 00:19:13.489 --> 00:19:17.693
- - JONATHAN: I WAS
- 00:19:18.794 --> 00:19:19.362
- - JONATHAN: I WAS COMPELLED TO BECAUSE I
- 00:19:19.362 --> 00:19:20.096
- COMPELLED TO BECAUSE I TRAVELED THERE JUST TO
- 00:19:20.096 --> 00:19:22.265
- TRAVELED THERE JUST TO MEET JEWISH PEOPLE.
- 00:19:22.265 --> 00:19:23.533
- MEET JEWISH PEOPLE. I HEARD ABOUT REFUSENIKS,
- 00:19:23.533 --> 00:19:24.300
- I HEARD ABOUT REFUSENIKS, AND I FOUND JEWISH PEOPLE
- 00:19:24.300 --> 00:19:27.770
- IN FIVE DAYS OR SIX DAYS
- 00:19:28.971 --> 00:19:30.806
- IN FIVE DAYS OR SIX DAYS IN MOSCOW AND SAINT
- 00:19:30.806 --> 00:19:32.108
- IN MOSCOW AND SAINT PETERSBURG, I HAD THE
- 00:19:32.108 --> 00:19:33.376
- PETERSBURG, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE MY
- 00:19:33.376 --> 00:19:35.545
- OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE MY FAITH WITH MORE JEWISH
- 00:19:35.545 --> 00:19:37.046
- FAITH WITH MORE JEWISH PEOPLE THAN IN SIX YEARS
- 00:19:37.046 --> 00:19:38.414
- PEOPLE THAN IN SIX YEARS IN MINISTRY IN UPSTATE
- 00:19:38.414 --> 00:19:39.715
- IN MINISTRY IN UPSTATE NEW YORK, AND THEY WOULD
- 00:19:39.715 --> 00:19:40.783
- NEW YORK, AND THEY WOULD INVITE THEIR WHOLE
- 00:19:40.783 --> 00:19:41.450
- INVITE THEIR WHOLE FAMILIES, AND THEY'D ALL
- 00:19:41.450 --> 00:19:43.085
- FAMILIES, AND THEY'D ALL GET SAVED.
- 00:19:43.085 --> 00:19:44.353
- GET SAVED. SO GOD CLEARLY SPOKE TO ME
- 00:19:44.353 --> 00:19:45.221
- SO GOD CLEARLY SPOKE TO ME AND SAID, "GO TO SAINT
- 00:19:45.221 --> 00:19:46.455
- AND SAID, "GO TO SAINT PETERSBURG AND REACH MY PEOPLE."
- 00:19:46.455 --> 00:19:47.857
- PETERSBURG AND REACH MY PEOPLE." SO I MOVED TO SAINT PETERSBURG,
- 00:19:47.857 --> 00:19:53.296
- SO I MOVED TO SAINT PETERSBURG, AND BY 1993, '94,
- 00:19:53.296 --> 00:19:54.564
- AND BY 1993, '94, WE WERE FILLING FOOTBALL
- 00:19:54.564 --> 00:19:55.498
- WE WERE FILLING FOOTBALL STADIUMS, DOING
- 00:19:55.498 --> 00:19:57.366
- STADIUMS, DOING MUSIC FESTIVALS.
- 00:19:57.366 --> 00:19:58.201
- MUSIC FESTIVALS. - ERIC: ARE YOU KIDDING?
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- - ERIC: ARE YOU KIDDING? - JONATHAN: ABOUT 80% JEWISH.
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- - JONATHAN: ABOUT 80% JEWISH. CAN YOU IMAGINE THIS?
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- CAN YOU IMAGINE THIS? A FOOTNOTE STADIUM FILLED
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- A FOOTNOTE STADIUM FILLED WITH JEWISH PEOPLE FOR A
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- WITH JEWISH PEOPLE FOR A MUSIC FESTIVAL, A JEWISH
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- MUSIC FESTIVAL, A JEWISH MUSIC AND DANCE FESTIVAL,
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- MUSIC AND DANCE FESTIVAL, KNOWING THEY WERE GONNA
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- KNOWING THEY WERE GONNA HEAR THE GOSPEL.
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- HEAR THE GOSPEL. AND WE DID THIS ALL OVER
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- AND WE DID THIS ALL OVER RUSSIA, UKRAINE.
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- RUSSIA, UKRAINE. - ERIC: AND THIS WAS--
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- - ERIC: AND THIS WAS-- YOU ARE LEADING THIS, OR
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- YOU ARE LEADING THIS, OR THIS WAS ANOTHER MINISTRY?
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- THIS WAS ANOTHER MINISTRY? - JONATHAN: NO, I WAS
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- - JONATHAN: NO, I WAS LEADING THIS.
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- LEADING THIS. THESE WERE MUSIC FESTIVALS
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- THESE WERE MUSIC FESTIVALS THAT WE CONDUCTED FROM '93
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- THAT WE CONDUCTED FROM '93 TO 2004.
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- TO 2004. ACTUALLY, WE JUST DID ONE
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- ACTUALLY, WE JUST DID ONE IN WARSAW, POLAND.
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- IN WARSAW, POLAND. HAD ABOUT 6.000 COME, AND
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- HAD ABOUT 6.000 COME, AND 22% JEWISH IN POLAND.
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- 22% JEWISH IN POLAND. - ERIC: WHAT IS MORE
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- - ERIC: WHAT IS MORE BEAUTIFUL THAN THIS?
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- BEAUTIFUL THAN THIS? - JONATHAN: INCREDIBLE.
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- - JONATHAN: INCREDIBLE. - ERIC: IT'S SO WONDERFUL.
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- - ERIC: IT'S SO WONDERFUL. - JONATHAN: YEAH, I'VE
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- - JONATHAN: YEAH, I'VE SEEN TENS OF THOUSANDS
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- SEEN TENS OF THOUSANDS OF JEWISH PEOPLE
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- OF JEWISH PEOPLE RESPOND TO ALTAR CALLS,
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- RESPOND TO ALTAR CALLS, HEARING ABOUT JESUS, AND
- 00:20:39.642 --> 00:20:41.444
- HEARING ABOUT JESUS, AND PRAYING, AND IT'S BEEN A
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- PRAYING, AND IT'S BEEN A PROFOUND EXPERIENCE.
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- PROFOUND EXPERIENCE. WE ARE LIVING IN A DAY
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- WE ARE LIVING IN A DAY WHEN THE BLINDNESS IS
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- WHEN THE BLINDNESS IS COMING OFF OF THE EYES OF
- 00:20:47.116 --> 00:20:47.984
- COMING OFF OF THE EYES OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE, AND
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- THE JEWISH PEOPLE, AND THIS SHOULD BE IMPORTANT
- 00:20:49.318 --> 00:20:50.519
- THIS SHOULD BE IMPORTANT TO CHRISTIANS BECAUSE IT'S
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- TO CHRISTIANS BECAUSE IT'S PROPHESIED IN CONNECTION
- 00:20:52.655 --> 00:20:54.156
- PROPHESIED IN CONNECTION WITH THE RETURN OF CHRIST
- 00:20:54.156 --> 00:20:54.757
- WITH THE RETURN OF CHRIST TO THIS EARTH.
- 00:20:54.757 --> 00:20:55.791
- TO THIS EARTH. - ERIC: ABSOLUTELY.
- 00:20:55.791 --> 00:20:58.194
- - ERIC: ABSOLUTELY. THE IDEA THAT THESE THINGS
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- THE IDEA THAT THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING IN OUR
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- ARE HAPPENING IN OUR LIFETIME IS AMAZING.
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- LIFETIME IS AMAZING. I MEAN, IT'S AN AMAZING
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- I MEAN, IT'S AN AMAZING THING THAT ALL OF THESE
- 00:21:02.098 --> 00:21:03.099
- THING THAT ALL OF THESE JEWISH PEOPLE ARE COMING
- 00:21:03.099 --> 00:21:04.400
- JEWISH PEOPLE ARE COMING TO BELIEVE IN JESUS.
- 00:21:04.400 --> 00:21:06.702
- TO BELIEVE IN JESUS. SOMETHING IS HAPPENING
- 00:21:06.702 --> 00:21:07.770
- SOMETHING IS HAPPENING THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED IN
- 00:21:07.770 --> 00:21:08.537
- THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED IN HISTORY.
- 00:21:08.537 --> 00:21:09.372
- HISTORY. - JONATHAN: I THINK WE
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- - JONATHAN: I THINK WE LIVE IN THE MOST
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- LIVE IN THE MOST REMARKABLE TIME IN
- 00:21:11.374 --> 00:21:12.275
- REMARKABLE TIME IN BIBLICAL HISTORY, IN HUMAN
- 00:21:12.275 --> 00:21:13.843
- BIBLICAL HISTORY, IN HUMAN HISTORY.
- 00:21:13.843 --> 00:21:15.111
- HISTORY. I USED TO THINK HOW
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- I USED TO THINK HOW AMAZING IF WE HAVE LIVED
- 00:21:17.546 --> 00:21:18.681
- AMAZING IF WE HAVE LIVED IN THE TIME OF JESUS, BUT
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- IN THE TIME OF JESUS, BUT TODAY-- SO I STUDIED
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- TODAY-- SO I STUDIED SCRIPTURE.
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- SCRIPTURE. THIS IS THE DAY THAT WE
- 00:21:21.851 --> 00:21:22.551
- THIS IS THE DAY THAT WE SHOULD-- THAT I WOULD
- 00:21:22.551 --> 00:21:23.519
- SHOULD-- THAT I WOULD WANNA LIVE IN.
- 00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:24.453
- WANNA LIVE IN. - ERIC: WOW, WHAT ARE
- 00:21:24.453 --> 00:21:25.154
- - ERIC: WOW, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT
- 00:21:25.154 --> 00:21:25.921
- SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SEE HAPPENING?
- 00:21:25.921 --> 00:21:27.056
- YOU SEE HAPPENING? I MEAN, THE JEWS RETURNING
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- I MEAN, THE JEWS RETURNING TO JERUSALEM, TO ISRAEL,
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- TO JERUSALEM, TO ISRAEL, HAS TO BE THE BIGGEST
- 00:21:31.927 --> 00:21:32.728
- HAS TO BE THE BIGGEST THING, BUT THERE ARE OTHER
- 00:21:32.728 --> 00:21:33.229
- THING, BUT THERE ARE OTHER THINGS.
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- THINGS. - JONATHAN: WELL, THAT'S HUGE.
- 00:21:34.130 --> 00:21:35.064
- - JONATHAN: WELL, THAT'S HUGE. THE RESTORATION OF ISRAEL
- 00:21:35.064 --> 00:21:39.035
- THE RESTORATION OF ISRAEL IN 1948 IS MIRACULOUS.
- 00:21:39.035 --> 00:21:41.370
- IN 1948 IS MIRACULOUS. JERUSALEM RESTORED IN 1967
- 00:21:41.370 --> 00:21:43.372
- JERUSALEM RESTORED IN 1967 IS A DIRECT FULFILLMENT OF
- 00:21:43.372 --> 00:21:45.374
- IS A DIRECT FULFILLMENT OF A STATEMENT THAT JESUS MADE.
- 00:21:45.374 --> 00:21:48.944
- A STATEMENT THAT JESUS MADE. WE FIND IT IN LUKE CHAPTER
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- WE FIND IT IN LUKE CHAPTER 21, THAT JERUSALEM WOULD
- 00:21:49.845 --> 00:21:51.347
- 21, THAT JERUSALEM WOULD BE TRODDEN DOWN BY THE
- 00:21:51.347 --> 00:21:52.682
- BE TRODDEN DOWN BY THE GENTILES UNTIL THE TIME OF
- 00:21:52.682 --> 00:21:53.416
- GENTILES UNTIL THE TIME OF THE GENTILES BE FULFILLED.
- 00:21:53.416 --> 00:21:54.483
- THE GENTILES BE FULFILLED. I THINK NOT ONLY THE
- 00:21:54.483 --> 00:21:57.386
- I THINK NOT ONLY THE SURVIVAL BUT THE
- 00:21:57.386 --> 00:21:58.521
- SURVIVAL BUT THE FLOURISHING AND THE
- 00:21:58.521 --> 00:22:00.656
- FLOURISHING AND THE PROSPERITY OF THE ISRAELIS
- 00:22:00.656 --> 00:22:02.525
- PROSPERITY OF THE ISRAELIS IS A REMARKABLE THING.
- 00:22:02.525 --> 00:22:05.594
- IS A REMARKABLE THING. IT'S A GOD THING, AND GOD
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- IT'S A GOD THING, AND GOD DECLARED IT IN HIS WORD
- 00:22:06.829 --> 00:22:08.264
- DECLARED IT IN HIS WORD THAT, IN JEREMIAH 31,
- 00:22:08.264 --> 00:22:09.999
- THAT, IN JEREMIAH 31, "AS LONG AS THE SUN SHINES BY
- 00:22:09.999 --> 00:22:11.734
- "AS LONG AS THE SUN SHINES BY DAY, AND THE MOON AND THE
- 00:22:11.734 --> 00:22:12.568
- DAY, AND THE MOON AND THE STARS BY NIGHT, I WILL
- 00:22:12.568 --> 00:22:14.337
- STARS BY NIGHT, I WILL PRESERVE THE JEWISH PEOPLE
- 00:22:14.337 --> 00:22:15.571
- PRESERVE THE JEWISH PEOPLE AS A NATION BEFORE ME."
- 00:22:15.571 --> 00:22:17.740
- AS A NATION BEFORE ME." AND THEN HE EVEN MENTIONS
- 00:22:17.740 --> 00:22:18.341
- AND THEN HE EVEN MENTIONS THEIR REBELLION, "'EVEN
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- THEIR REBELLION, "'EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE DISOBEYED
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- THOUGH THEY HAVE DISOBEYED MY LAWS,' SAITH THE LORD,"
- 00:22:21.944 --> 00:22:22.912
- MY LAWS,' SAITH THE LORD," AND THEN IT SAYS, "ONLY IF
- 00:22:22.912 --> 00:22:24.080
- AND THEN IT SAYS, "ONLY IF THE HEAVENS ABOVE," OR THE
- 00:22:24.080 --> 00:22:25.214
- THE HEAVENS ABOVE," OR THE EARTH BENEATH, "CAN BE
- 00:22:25.214 --> 00:22:27.750
- EARTH BENEATH, "CAN BE MEASURED, WILL I CEASE TO
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- MEASURED, WILL I CEASE TO PRESERVE THEM AS A NATION."
- 00:22:29.185 --> 00:22:30.019
- PRESERVE THEM AS A NATION." SO YOU HAVE ANTI-SEMITISM,
- 00:22:30.019 --> 00:22:31.687
- SO YOU HAVE ANTI-SEMITISM, THIS DEMONIC,
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- THIS DEMONIC, STRATEGIC EFFORT
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- STRATEGIC EFFORT TO DESTROY THE JEWISH PEOPLE.
- 00:22:34.924 --> 00:22:36.058
- TO DESTROY THE JEWISH PEOPLE. I THINK IT'S AN EFFORT AT
- 00:22:36.058 --> 00:22:37.593
- I THINK IT'S AN EFFORT AT SELF-PRESERVATION, SATAN'S
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- SELF-PRESERVATION, SATAN'S ATTEMPT TO KEEP GENESIS
- 00:22:39.995 --> 00:22:41.630
- ATTEMPT TO KEEP GENESIS 3:15 FROM BEING FULFILLED,
- 00:22:41.630 --> 00:22:42.732
- 3:15 FROM BEING FULFILLED, BUT THEN YOU ALSO HAVE
- 00:22:42.732 --> 00:22:46.402
- BUT THEN YOU ALSO HAVE GOD, THE GOD OF CREATION,
- 00:22:46.402 --> 00:22:47.503
- GOD, THE GOD OF CREATION, WHO IS HIGHER THAN SATAN,
- 00:22:47.503 --> 00:22:48.738
- WHO IS HIGHER THAN SATAN, SAYING, "I WILL PRESERVE
- 00:22:48.738 --> 00:22:50.473
- SAYING, "I WILL PRESERVE THEM AS A NATION BEFORE ME."
- 00:22:50.473 --> 00:22:53.509
- THEM AS A NATION BEFORE ME." SO THIS COSMIC BATTLE THAT'S
- 00:22:53.509 --> 00:22:55.711
- SO THIS COSMIC BATTLE THAT'S GONE ON FOR THOUSANDS OF
- 00:22:55.711 --> 00:22:57.213
- GONE ON FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS SINCE THE TIME
- 00:22:57.213 --> 00:22:59.248
- YEARS SINCE THE TIME OF ABRAHAM, AND IT'S BEING
- 00:22:59.248 --> 00:23:01.283
- OF ABRAHAM, AND IT'S BEING LIVED OUT IN THAT LITTLE
- 00:23:01.283 --> 00:23:03.119
- LIVED OUT IN THAT LITTLE SLIVER OF LAND IN THAT
- 00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:04.387
- SLIVER OF LAND IN THAT LITTLE CITY OF JERUSALEM,
- 00:23:04.387 --> 00:23:05.654
- LITTLE CITY OF JERUSALEM, ON THE TEMPLE MOUNT AS
- 00:23:05.654 --> 00:23:07.456
- ON THE TEMPLE MOUNT AS THE EPICENTER,
- 00:23:07.456 --> 00:23:09.091
- THE EPICENTER, AND GOD WILL WIN IN THE END.
- 00:23:09.091 --> 00:23:10.626
- AND GOD WILL WIN IN THE END. THAT'S THE GOOD NEWS.
- 00:23:10.626 --> 00:23:11.427
- THAT'S THE GOOD NEWS. - ERIC: IT'S JUST
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- - ERIC: IT'S JUST WONDERFUL TO GET TO KNOW
- 00:23:12.928 --> 00:23:13.763
- WONDERFUL TO GET TO KNOW YOU AND YOUR STORY, JONATHAN.
- 00:23:13.763 --> 00:23:15.164
- YOU AND YOUR STORY, JONATHAN. GOD IS USING YOU ALL
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- GOD IS USING YOU ALL AROUND THE WORLD.
- 00:23:16.399 --> 00:23:18.200
- AROUND THE WORLD. IT'S JUST WONDERFUL.
- 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:19.668
- YOU CAN GO TO
- 00:23:21.103 --> 00:23:21.704
- YOU CAN GO TO JEWISHVOICE.TV, IS THE
- 00:23:21.704 --> 00:23:23.439
- JEWISHVOICE.TV, IS THE MINISTRY, JEWISH VOICE
- 00:23:23.439 --> 00:23:24.306
- MINISTRY, JEWISH VOICE MINISTRIES INTERNATIONAL.
- 00:23:24.306 --> 00:23:25.708
- MINISTRIES INTERNATIONAL. JONATHAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
- 00:23:25.708 --> 00:23:26.642
- JONATHAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH. - JONATHAN: THANKS FOR
- 00:23:26.642 --> 00:23:28.310
- - JONATHAN: THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
- 00:23:28.310 --> 00:23:29.545
- [MUSIC]
- 00:23:34.417 --> 00:23:40.456
- - LINDA MINTLE: SO I LIKE
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- TO SAY, "THE BANE OF PAIN
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- THAT'S THE WAY TO REMEMBER
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- THAT'S THE WAY TO REMEMBER THAT.
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- THAT. [MUSIC]
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- [MUSIC] - ERIC: AND HEREFORD,
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- - ERIC: AND HEREFORD, HARTFORD, AND HAMPSHIRE
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- HARTFORD, AND HAMPSHIRE HURRICANES HARDLY HAPPENED.
- 00:23:52.501 --> 00:23:54.036
- HURRICANES HARDLY HAPPENED. [LAUGHTER]
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- [MUSIC]
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