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September 18, 2020
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  • - ERIC METAXAS: THIS PROGRAM
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  • - ERIC METAXAS: THIS PROGRAMIS SPONSORED IN PART BY
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  • IS SPONSORED IN PART BYCARSHIELD,
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  • CARSHIELD,GIVING THOUSANDS OF VEHICLE
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  • GIVING THOUSANDS OF VEHICLEOWNERS PEACE OF MIND.
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  • OWNERS PEACE OF MIND.[MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC][SMOOCH]
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  • [SMOOCH][WHOOSH]
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  • [WHOOSH][DOOR SLAMMING]
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  • [DOOR SLAMMING][BING]
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  • [BING][REVVING, SCREECHING]
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  • [REVVING, SCREECHING][PLOP]
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  • [PLOP][WHOOSH]
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  • [WHOOSH]- MALE: HEY.
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  • - MALE: HEY.[MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC][BOINK]
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  • [BOINK][ENGINE REVVING]
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  • [ENGINE REVVING][BRAKES SQUEALING]
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  • [BRAKES SQUEALING][MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC][CRASH]
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  • [CRASH][CHEERS]
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  • - ERIC: HEY THERE, FOLKS,
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  • - ERIC: HEY THERE, FOLKS,WELCOME TO
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  • WELCOME TO"THE ERIC METAXAS SHOW."
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  • "THE ERIC METAXAS SHOW."MY NAME IS ERIC METAXAS.
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  • MY NAME IS ERIC METAXAS.THIS IS THE SHOW.
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  • THIS IS THE SHOW.THIS IS ALL WE'VE GOT.
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  • THIS IS ALL WE'VE GOT.I APOLOGIZE.
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  • I APOLOGIZE.THE GOOD NEWS THOUGH IS
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  • THE GOOD NEWS THOUGH ISTHAT I GET SOME WONDERFUL
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  • I GET TO HAVE
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  • I GET TO HAVECONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.
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  • CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.TODAY, OH, YES, FORMER
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  • TODAY, OH, YES, FORMERCONGRESSMAN TREY GOWDY.
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  • CONGRESSMAN TREY GOWDY.I ASSUME YOU KNOW WHO HE IS.
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  • I ASSUME YOU KNOW WHO HE IS.TREY GOWDY, WELCOME TO
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  • TREY GOWDY, WELCOME TOTHIS PROGRAM.
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  • THIS PROGRAM.- TREY GOWDY: THANK YOU,
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  • - TREY GOWDY: THANK YOU,ERIC.
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  • ERIC.IT IS GREAT TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
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  • IT IS GREAT TO SEE YOU AGAIN.- ERIC: WELL, I JUST WANT
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  • - ERIC: WELL, I JUST WANTTO SAY THAT I KNOW YOU
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  • TO SAY THAT I KNOW YOUHAVE A BOOK OUT, AND AS
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  • HAVE A BOOK OUT, AND ASSOMEBODY WHO WRITES BOOKS,
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  • SOMEBODY WHO WRITES BOOKS,I KNOW THAT WHEN YOU HAVE A
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  • I KNOW THAT WHEN YOU HAVE ABOOK OUT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO
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  • BOOK OUT, IT'S IMPORTANT TOTALK ABOUT THAT BOOK IF
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  • TALK ABOUT THAT BOOK IFYOU'RE DOING MEDIA.
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  • YOU'RE DOING MEDIA.SO I WANNA TALK TO YOU
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  • SO I WANNA TALK TO YOUABOUT A WHOLE BUNCH OF
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  • ABOUT A WHOLE BUNCH OFTHINGS, BUT BEFORE
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  • THINGS, BUT BEFOREWE GET VERY FAR,
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  • WE GET VERY FAR,I WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT
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  • "DOESN'T HURT TO ASK."
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  • "DOESN'T HURT TO ASK."I LOVE THE IDEA THAT IT
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  • I LOVE THE IDEA THAT ITSAYS, "USING THE POWER OF
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  • SAYS, "USING THE POWER OFQUESTIONS TO COMMUNICATE,
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  • YOU, SIR, WERE, BEFORE YOU
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  • YOU, SIR, WERE, BEFORE YOUWERE A CONGRESSMAN,
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  • WERE A CONGRESSMAN,YOU WERE A STATE AND
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  • YOU WERE A STATE ANDFEDERAL PROSECUTOR.
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  • FEDERAL PROSECUTOR.SO TELL US A LITTLE BIT
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  • SO TELL US A LITTLE BITABOUT THAT BECAUSE
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  • ABOUT THAT BECAUSEWE KNOW YOU.
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  • WE KNOW YOU.YOU KNOW, YOU WERE THE GUY
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  • YOU KNOW, YOU WERE THE GUYIN THE BENGHAZI HEARINGS,
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  • IN THE BENGHAZI HEARINGS,AND YOU'VE BEEN ON THE
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  • AND YOU'VE BEEN ON THENEWS MANY, MANY TIMES,
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  • NEWS MANY, MANY TIMES,TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S GOING
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  • TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S GOINGON IN CURRENT EVENTS.
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  • ON IN CURRENT EVENTS.WHAT PERSUADED YOU TO
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  • WHAT PERSUADED YOU TOWRITE A BOOK CALLED
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  • WRITE A BOOK CALLED"DOESN'T HURT TO ASK:
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  • "DOESN'T HURT TO ASK:USING THE POWER OF
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  • USING THE POWER OFQUESTIONS TO COMMUNICATE,
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  • - TREY: WELL, ERIC, I
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  • - TREY: WELL, ERIC, ITHINK THERE'S A HUNGER
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  • THINK THERE'S A HUNGERWITHIN US TO BE HEARD AND
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  • WITHIN US TO BE HEARD ANDTO BE UNDERSTOOD.
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  • TO BE UNDERSTOOD.I THINK THE IMPETUS BEHIND
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  • I THINK THE IMPETUS BEHINDTHIS BOOK WAS REALLY
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  • LISTENING TO PEOPLE WITHIN
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  • LISTENING TO PEOPLE WITHINMY FAMILY THAT HAVE
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  • MY FAMILY THAT HAVEDIFFERENT POLITICAL
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  • DIFFERENT POLITICALVIEWPOINTS STRUGGLE TO
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  • VIEWPOINTS STRUGGLE TOMAKE THEIR POINT,
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  • MAKE THEIR POINT,STRUGGLE TO BE UNDERSTOOD.
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  • STRUGGLE TO BE UNDERSTOOD.AND I'LL FIND MYSELF
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  • AND I'LL FIND MYSELFTAKING UP FOR THE FOR THE
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  • TAKING UP FOR THE FOR THEUNDERDOG, WHOEVER IS
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  • UNDERDOG, WHOEVER ISLOSING THE CONVERSATION.
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  • LOSING THE CONVERSATION.SO I THOUGHT, WELL, I
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  • SO I THOUGHT, WELL, ISPENT 20 YEARS CONVINCING
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  • SPENT 20 YEARS CONVINCING12 PEOPLE WHO HAD NOT
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  • 12 PEOPLE WHO HAD NOTALREADY MADE UP THEIR
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  • ALREADY MADE UP THEIRMINDS, AND AS YOU KNOW,
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  • MINDS, AND AS YOU KNOW,ERIC, IN A COURTROOM,
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  • ERIC, IN A COURTROOM,10 OUT OF 12 IS
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  • 10 OUT OF 12 ISGREAT POLITICS.
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  • GREAT POLITICS.IT'S UNHEARD OF,
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  • IT'S UNHEARD OF,BUT THAT'S A LOSS IN
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  • BUT THAT'S A LOSS INA COURTROOM.
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  • A COURTROOM.YOU GOTTA GET ALL 12,
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  • SO HOW DO I TRANSFER THOSE
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  • SO HOW DO I TRANSFER THOSEPERSUASIVE SKILLS AND THEN
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  • PERSUASIVE SKILLS AND THENTEACH PEOPLE HOW--
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  • TEACH PEOPLE HOW--WHEN GIVEN A CHANCE TO
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  • WHEN GIVEN A CHANCE TOPERSUADE,
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  • PERSUADE,THEY DON'T SAY,
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  • THEY DON'T SAY,"I THINK,"
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  • "I THINK,""I FEEL,"
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  • THEY USE THE POWER
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  • THEY USE THE POWEROF QUESTIONS TO
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  • OF QUESTIONS TOILLUSTRATE THEIR POINT.
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  • ILLUSTRATE THEIR POINT.IT'S A LEARNABLE SKILL.
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  • IT'S A LEARNABLE SKILL.I WAS TERRIBLE WHEN I
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  • I WAS TERRIBLE WHEN ISTARTED, SO IF I CAN GET
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  • STARTED, SO IF I CAN GETOKAY AT IT, THEN YOU CAN
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  • OKAY AT IT, THEN YOU CANGET OKAY AT IT.
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  • GET OKAY AT IT.- ERIC: WELL, I THINK
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  • - ERIC: WELL, I THINKWE'RE LIVING IN SUCH
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  • WE'RE LIVING IN SUCHDIVIDED TIMES THAT,
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  • DIVIDED TIMES THAT,MANY TIMES, I DECLINE EVEN TO
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  • MANY TIMES, I DECLINE EVEN TOGET INTO THE CONVERSATION
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  • GET INTO THE CONVERSATIONWITH SOMEBODY WHO DIFFERS
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  • WITH SOMEBODY WHO DIFFERSFROM ME PARTICULARLY
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  • FROM ME PARTICULARLYPOLITICALLY BECAUSE I FEEL
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  • POLITICALLY BECAUSE I FEELTHAT IT DOESN'T GET
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  • PEOPLE ARE SO ENTRENCHED
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  • PEOPLE ARE SO ENTRENCHEDIN THEIR POSITIONS AND ARE
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  • IN THEIR POSITIONS AND AREOFTEN SO WEDDED TO THINGS
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  • OFTEN SO WEDDED TO THINGSTHAT I PERSONALLY KNOW
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  • THAT I PERSONALLY KNOWAREN'T TRUE OR ARE HALF
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  • AREN'T TRUE OR ARE HALFTRUE, BUT WE SEEM TO BE
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  • TRUE, BUT WE SEEM TO BELIVING IN TIMES WHEN
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  • LIVING IN TIMES WHENEMOTION GETS IN THE WAY OF
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  • - TREY: YEAH, I DO NOT
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  • - TREY: YEAH, I DO NOTLIKE SENTENCES THAT BEGIN
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  • LIKE SENTENCES THAT BEGIN"I FEEL."
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  • "I FEEL."I MEAN, I CANNOT HAVE A
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  • I MEAN, I CANNOT HAVE ACONVERSATION OR A DEBATE
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  • CONVERSATION OR A DEBATEWITH PEOPLE'S EMOTIONS,
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  • WITH PEOPLE'S EMOTIONS,AND I DO HAVE A SECTION
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  • AND I DO HAVE A SECTIONIN THE BOOK,
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  • IN THE BOOK,IF YOU WANT TO BE REALLY
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  • IF YOU WANT TO BE REALLYPERSUASIVE, YOU HAVE TO
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  • PERSUASIVE, YOU HAVE TOASK YOURSELF ARE YOU
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  • BECAUSE, IF I WERE TO ASK
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  • BECAUSE, IF I WERE TO ASKYOU TO CHANGE YOUR
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  • YOU TO CHANGE YOURPOSITION ON SOME DEEPLY
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  • POSITION ON SOME DEEPLYHELD CONVICTION BUT I'M
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  • HELD CONVICTION BUT I'MNOT WILLING TO LOOK AT
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  • NOT WILLING TO LOOK ATYOUR FACTS, LISTEN TO YOUR
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  • YOUR FACTS, LISTEN TO YOURARGUMENTS, THAT'S NOT
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  • ARGUMENTS, THAT'S NOTGONNA BE A LONG
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  • GONNA BE A LONGCONVERSATION.
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  • CONVERSATION.SO, I MEAN, I DON'T WANT
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  • SO, I MEAN, I DON'T WANTPEOPLE TO MISTAKE THIS FOR
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  • PEOPLE TO MISTAKE THIS FORME NOT BEING FIRMLY
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  • ME NOT BEING FIRMLYCONVINCED IN WHAT I
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  • CONVINCED IN WHAT IBELIEVE, BUT I DO LIKE TO
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  • BELIEVE, BUT I DO LIKE TOGO THROUGH LIFE SAYING I
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  • GO THROUGH LIFE SAYING IAM ONE FACT AWAY FROM
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  • AM ONE FACT AWAY FROMSWITCHING MY MIND, BUT
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  • SWITCHING MY MIND, BUTIT'S GOTTA BE A FACT.
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  • IT'S GOTTA BE A FACT.I MEAN, IT'S GOTTA BE AN
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  • SO IF I'M NOT PERSUADABLE,
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  • SO IF I'M NOT PERSUADABLE,I CAN'T EXPECT YOU TO BE
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  • I CAN'T EXPECT YOU TO BEPERSUADABLE.
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  • PERSUADABLE.I WANT US TO GET TO A
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  • I WANT US TO GET TO APOINT WHERE WHOEVER HAS
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  • POINT WHERE WHOEVER HASTHE BEST FACTS AND
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  • THE BEST FACTS ANDPRESENTS IT IN THE MOST
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  • PRESENTS IT IN THE MOSTCOMPELLING WAY CARRIES*
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  • COMPELLING WAY CARRIES*THE DECK.
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  • THE DECK.- ERIC: MY LATEST BOOK,
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  • - ERIC: MY LATEST BOOK,WHICH IS NOT LIKE
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  • WHICH IS NOT LIKE"BONHOEFFER," IS CALLED
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  • "BONHOEFFER," IS CALLED"DONALD AND THE FAKE NEWS!"
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  • "DONALD AND THE FAKE NEWS!"IT'S A HUMOR BOOK, BUT I
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  • IT'S A HUMOR BOOK, BUT ITHINK THAT WE ALL KNOW
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  • THINK THAT WE ALL KNOWWE'RE LIVING IN TIMES THAT
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  • WE'RE LIVING IN TIMES THATARE UNPRECEDENTED.
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  • ARE UNPRECEDENTED.THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE ARE
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  • THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE ARESAYING THINGS OVER AND
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  • SAYING THINGS OVER ANDOVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT
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  • OVER AND OVER AGAIN THATFLAT-OUT AREN'T TRUE,
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  • FLAT-OUT AREN'T TRUE,IT'S HARD WHEN YOU BEGIN
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  • IT'S HARD WHEN YOU BEGINTO LOSE FAITH IN BASIC
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  • TO LOSE FAITH IN BASICINSTITUTIONS.
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  • INSTITUTIONS.LIKE, JOURNALISTS MIGHT'VE
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  • LIKE, JOURNALISTS MIGHT'VEBEEN SLANTED ONE WAY OR
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  • BEEN SLANTED ONE WAY ORTHE OTHER, BUT YOU FELT
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  • THE OTHER, BUT YOU FELTTHAT YOU WOULD COUNT ON
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  • THAT YOU WOULD COUNT ONTHEM TO GIVE IT TO
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  • THEM TO GIVE IT TOYOU STRAIGHT.
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  • YOU STRAIGHT.AND SO I THINK A LOT OF
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  • AND SO I THINK A LOT OFPEOPLE HAVE BECOME
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  • PEOPLE HAVE BECOMECYNICAL, AND IT IS ALL THE
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  • CYNICAL, AND IT IS ALL THEMORE IMPORTANT TO DO WHAT
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  • MORE IMPORTANT TO DO WHATYOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS TO
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  • YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS TOSAY, "WAIT A SECOND.
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  • SAY, "WAIT A SECOND.WE BELIEVE IN SOMETHING
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  • WE BELIEVE IN SOMETHINGBIGGER THAN OUR FEELINGS.
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  • BIGGER THAN OUR FEELINGS.WE BELIEVE IN SOMETHING
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  • WE BELIEVE IN SOMETHINGCALLED THE TRUTH, AND
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  • CALLED THE TRUTH, ANDWE'RE SUPPOSED TO CARE
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  • NOW, WHEN YOU'RE IN A
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  • NOW, WHEN YOU'RE IN ACOURT OF LAW,
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  • COURT OF LAW,PEOPLE ARE SWORN TO TELL
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  • PEOPLE ARE SWORN TO TELLTHE TRUTH, AND THE JURY IS
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  • THE TRUTH, AND THE JURY ISOBVIOUSLY IN A POSITION
  • 00:05:33.145 --> 00:05:35.313
  • OBVIOUSLY IN A POSITIONTHAT THEY CAN'T
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  • THAT THEY CAN'TTAKE LIGHTLY.
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  • TAKE LIGHTLY.THAT'S OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENT
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  • THAT'S OBVIOUSLY DIFFERENTFROM WHERE WE ARE
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  • FROM WHERE WE AREIN THE CULTURE.
  • 00:05:40.185 --> 00:05:41.319
  • IN THE CULTURE.HOW DO YOU TRANSLATE THAT
  • 00:05:41.319 --> 00:05:42.788
  • HOW DO YOU TRANSLATE THATSITUATION IN A COURTROOM
  • 00:05:42.788 --> 00:05:44.456
  • SITUATION IN A COURTROOMTO THE SITUATION OUTSIDE
  • 00:05:44.456 --> 00:05:46.591
  • TO THE SITUATION OUTSIDETHE COURTROOM?
  • 00:05:46.591 --> 00:05:47.759
  • THE COURTROOM?- TREY: WELL, YOU PUT
  • 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:49.227
  • - TREY: WELL, YOU PUTYOUR FINGER ON THE LEAST
  • 00:05:49.227 --> 00:05:50.695
  • YOUR FINGER ON THE LEASTPERSUASIVE THING, WHICH IS
  • 00:05:50.695 --> 00:05:52.764
  • PERSUASIVE THING, WHICH ISDISINGENUITY, SO WHEN
  • 00:05:52.764 --> 00:05:55.567
  • DISINGENUITY, SO WHENPEOPLE MISREPRESENT FACTS,
  • 00:05:55.567 --> 00:05:57.068
  • PEOPLE MISREPRESENT FACTS,NOTHING UNDERCUTS YOUR
  • 00:05:57.068 --> 00:05:58.270
  • NOTHING UNDERCUTS YOUREFFORTS TO PERSUADE, QUITE
  • 00:05:58.270 --> 00:05:59.771
  • EFFORTS TO PERSUADE, QUITELIKE BEING FACTUALLY
  • 00:05:59.771 --> 00:06:01.706
  • LIKE BEING FACTUALLYWRONG, AND I WRITE IN THE
  • 00:06:01.706 --> 00:06:02.574
  • WRONG, AND I WRITE IN THEBOOK ABOUT HOW TO AVOID
  • 00:06:02.574 --> 00:06:05.744
  • BOOK ABOUT HOW TO AVOIDMAKING THESE OVERTLY
  • 00:06:05.744 --> 00:06:07.579
  • SO YOU GOTTA PREFACE IT BY
  • 00:06:09.080 --> 00:06:09.915
  • SO YOU GOTTA PREFACE IT BYSAYING, YOU KNOW, "I'M
  • 00:06:09.915 --> 00:06:10.715
  • SAYING, YOU KNOW, "I'MOPEN TO BEING PERSUADED
  • 00:06:10.715 --> 00:06:12.818
  • OPEN TO BEING PERSUADEDTHAT I'M WRONG,"
  • 00:06:12.818 --> 00:06:14.186
  • THAT I'M WRONG,""PERHAPS I GOT THIS WRONG."
  • 00:06:14.186 --> 00:06:14.786
  • "PERHAPS I GOT THIS WRONG."BUT YOU TALKED TO A BROADER
  • 00:06:14.786 --> 00:06:15.520
  • BUT YOU TALKED TO A BROADERPOINT, ERIC, WHICH I THINK
  • 00:06:15.520 --> 00:06:16.822
  • POINT, ERIC, WHICH I THINKIS FUNDAMENTAL.
  • 00:06:16.822 --> 00:06:17.956
  • IS FUNDAMENTAL.IN A COURTROOM, THERE'S A
  • 00:06:17.956 --> 00:06:19.991
  • IN A COURTROOM, THERE'S AREFEREE: THERE'S A JUDGE.
  • 00:06:19.991 --> 00:06:21.293
  • REFEREE: THERE'S A JUDGE.AND A BAD JUDGE IS BETTER
  • 00:06:21.293 --> 00:06:22.961
  • AND A BAD JUDGE IS BETTERTHAN NO JUDGE.
  • 00:06:22.961 --> 00:06:24.029
  • THAN NO JUDGE.YOU MENTIONED YOUR BOOK
  • 00:06:24.029 --> 00:06:25.197
  • YOU MENTIONED YOUR BOOK"FAKE NEWS."
  • 00:06:25.197 --> 00:06:29.234
  • "FAKE NEWS."WE NEED A SOCIETAL
  • 00:06:29.234 --> 00:06:30.902
  • WE NEED A SOCIETALREFEREE, AND I THINK
  • 00:06:30.902 --> 00:06:32.170
  • REFEREE, AND I THINKTHE MEDIA WAS SUPPOSED
  • 00:06:32.170 --> 00:06:32.904
  • THE MEDIA WAS SUPPOSEDTO PLAY THAT ROLE,
  • 00:06:32.904 --> 00:06:34.639
  • TO PLAY THAT ROLE,BUT, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:37.476
  • BUT, YOU KNOW,CURIOUSLY, BECAUSE THE
  • 00:06:37.476 --> 00:06:38.376
  • CURIOUSLY, BECAUSE THEMEDIA IS SO UNFAIR TO
  • 00:06:38.376 --> 00:06:40.111
  • MEDIA IS SO UNFAIR TOCONSERVATIVES AND
  • 00:06:40.111 --> 00:06:42.113
  • IT MAKES CONSERVATIVES
  • 00:06:44.282 --> 00:06:45.050
  • IT MAKES CONSERVATIVESLESS OBJECTIVE ABOUT
  • 00:06:45.050 --> 00:06:46.518
  • LESS OBJECTIVE ABOUTTHEMSELVES.
  • 00:06:46.518 --> 00:06:48.954
  • THEMSELVES.I MEAN, IF THE OTHER SIDE
  • 00:06:48.954 --> 00:06:49.821
  • I MEAN, IF THE OTHER SIDEIS NOT BEING FAIR TO ME,
  • 00:06:49.821 --> 00:06:50.789
  • IS NOT BEING FAIR TO ME,IT CAUSES ME TO
  • 00:06:50.789 --> 00:06:51.890
  • IT CAUSES ME TORECALIBRATE MY DEFINITION
  • 00:06:51.890 --> 00:06:53.391
  • AND WE ALL WANT TO
  • 00:06:55.594 --> 00:06:56.228
  • AND WE ALL WANT TOBECOME RELATIVISTS:
  • 00:06:56.228 --> 00:06:56.795
  • BECOME RELATIVISTS:"BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT FAIR
  • 00:06:56.795 --> 00:06:58.797
  • "BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT FAIRTO ME, I'M NO LONGER GONNA
  • 00:06:58.797 --> 00:06:59.431
  • TO ME, I'M NO LONGER GONNABE FAIR TO MYSELF OR OTHERS."
  • 00:06:59.431 --> 00:07:01.333
  • BE FAIR TO MYSELF OR OTHERS."WE DESPERATELY NEED
  • 00:07:01.333 --> 00:07:04.269
  • AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS
  • 00:07:05.337 --> 00:07:06.438
  • AND I THOUGHT THAT WASSUPPOSED TO BE THE MEDIA,
  • 00:07:06.438 --> 00:07:07.205
  • SUPPOSED TO BE THE MEDIA,BUT, BOY, IT IS NOT--
  • 00:07:07.205 --> 00:07:08.840
  • BUT, BOY, IT IS NOT--NOT NOW.
  • 00:07:08.840 --> 00:07:09.341
  • NOT NOW.- ERIC: WELL, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:07:09.341 --> 00:07:10.509
  • - ERIC: WELL, YOU KNOW,SPEAKING AS A PERSON OF
  • 00:07:10.509 --> 00:07:11.510
  • SPEAKING AS A PERSON OFFAITH, AS A CHRISTIAN,
  • 00:07:11.510 --> 00:07:13.879
  • FAITH, AS A CHRISTIAN,I REALIZE THAT I HAVE A
  • 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:16.381
  • I REALIZE THAT I HAVE AHIGHER RESPONSIBILITY
  • 00:07:16.381 --> 00:07:17.349
  • HIGHER RESPONSIBILITYTHAN WINNING.
  • 00:07:17.349 --> 00:07:18.250
  • THAN WINNING.I HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO
  • 00:07:18.250 --> 00:07:19.417
  • I HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TOOBEY GOD, AND SO, WHEN I
  • 00:07:19.417 --> 00:07:21.987
  • OBEY GOD, AND SO, WHEN ISEE PEOPLE WHO SAY THAT
  • 00:07:21.987 --> 00:07:22.787
  • SEE PEOPLE WHO SAY THATTHEY'RE CHRISTIANS OR
  • 00:07:22.787 --> 00:07:26.525
  • THEY'RE CHRISTIANS ORARE CONSERVATIVES
  • 00:07:26.525 --> 00:07:27.092
  • ARE CONSERVATIVESMISREPRESENTING THINGS,
  • 00:07:27.092 --> 00:07:30.762
  • MISREPRESENTING THINGS,I WANNA YELL AT THEM THE
  • 00:07:30.762 --> 00:07:31.796
  • I WANNA YELL AT THEM THEMOST AND SAY, "LISTEN, WE
  • 00:07:31.796 --> 00:07:35.066
  • IF WE REALLY BELIEVE THAT
  • 00:07:36.167 --> 00:07:37.302
  • IF WE REALLY BELIEVE THATWHAT WE BELIEVE IS TRUE,
  • 00:07:37.302 --> 00:07:39.504
  • WHAT WE BELIEVE IS TRUE,WE SHOULD NEVER MUDDY THE
  • 00:07:39.504 --> 00:07:42.474
  • WE SHOULD NEVER MUDDY THEWATERS BY PLAYING HARD AND
  • 00:07:42.474 --> 00:07:45.110
  • WATERS BY PLAYING HARD ANDLOOSE WITH THE FACTS.
  • 00:07:45.110 --> 00:07:47.812
  • WE NEED TO BE BETTER
  • 00:07:48.747 --> 00:07:49.314
  • WE NEED TO BE BETTERTHAN THAT.
  • 00:07:49.314 --> 00:07:49.881
  • THAN THAT.WE NEED TO KNOW THAT WE'RE
  • 00:07:49.881 --> 00:07:50.882
  • WE NEED TO KNOW THAT WE'RECALLED TO A HIGHER
  • 00:07:50.882 --> 00:07:52.117
  • CALLED TO A HIGHERSTANDARD, AND I JUST THINK
  • 00:07:52.117 --> 00:07:53.251
  • STANDARD, AND I JUST THINKTHAT'S SOMETHING THAT IT
  • 00:07:53.251 --> 00:07:54.085
  • THAT'S SOMETHING THAT ITNEEDS TO HAPPEN.
  • 00:07:54.085 --> 00:07:54.619
  • NEEDS TO HAPPEN.AND SPEAKING BIBLICALLY
  • 00:07:54.619 --> 00:07:57.188
  • AND SPEAKING BIBLICALLYALSO, JESUS SAYS:
  • 00:07:57.188 --> 00:07:58.723
  • ALSO, JESUS SAYS:"CAST YE NOT YOUR
  • 00:07:58.723 --> 00:08:00.125
  • "CAST YE NOT YOURPEARLS BEFORE SWINE."
  • 00:08:00.125 --> 00:08:03.862
  • PEARLS BEFORE SWINE."IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANT TO
  • 00:08:03.862 --> 00:08:04.396
  • IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANT TOKNOW THE TRUTH, THEY JUST
  • 00:08:04.396 --> 00:08:06.131
  • KNOW THE TRUTH, THEY JUSTWANNA ARGUE, IT SEEMS, TO
  • 00:08:06.131 --> 00:08:07.632
  • WANNA ARGUE, IT SEEMS, TOME, YOU CAN'T PERSUADE
  • 00:08:07.632 --> 00:08:09.200
  • ME, YOU CAN'T PERSUADETHEM, AND YOU'RE BEING A
  • 00:08:09.200 --> 00:08:09.801
  • THEM, AND YOU'RE BEING ABAD STEWARD OF YOUR TIME
  • 00:08:09.801 --> 00:08:10.936
  • BAD STEWARD OF YOUR TIMEAND ENERGY IF YOU TRY TO
  • 00:08:10.936 --> 00:08:12.804
  • SO PART OF WHAT YOU'RE
  • 00:08:13.805 --> 00:08:14.339
  • SO PART OF WHAT YOU'RETALKIN' ABOUT HAS TO DO
  • 00:08:14.339 --> 00:08:14.906
  • TALKIN' ABOUT HAS TO DOWITH DISCERNING WITH WHOM
  • 00:08:14.906 --> 00:08:16.741
  • WITH DISCERNING WITH WHOMYOU'RE TALKING.
  • 00:08:16.741 --> 00:08:17.242
  • YOU'RE TALKING.- TREY: YEAH, YOU'RE A
  • 00:08:17.242 --> 00:08:18.376
  • - TREY: YEAH, YOU'RE AHUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT.
  • 00:08:18.376 --> 00:08:20.078
  • HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT.YOU CANNOT--FIRST OF ALL,
  • 00:08:20.078 --> 00:08:20.612
  • YOU CANNOT--FIRST OF ALL,YOU CAN'T WIN AN ARGUMENT.
  • 00:08:20.612 --> 00:08:21.646
  • YOU CAN'T WIN AN ARGUMENT.I MEAN, ARGUMENTS ARE
  • 00:08:21.646 --> 00:08:23.915
  • I MEAN, ARGUMENTS AREDRIVEN LARGELY BY EMOTION,
  • 00:08:23.915 --> 00:08:27.118
  • DRIVEN LARGELY BY EMOTION,AND SO SOME FOLKS SAY,
  • 00:08:27.118 --> 00:08:28.587
  • AND SO SOME FOLKS SAY,"YOU SHOULD'VE TITLED THIS
  • 00:08:28.587 --> 00:08:29.621
  • "YOU SHOULD'VE TITLED THIS'HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT.'"
  • 00:08:29.621 --> 00:08:30.221
  • 'HOW TO WIN AN ARGUMENT.'"WELL, I CAN'T 'CAUSE
  • 00:08:30.221 --> 00:08:33.224
  • WELL, I CAN'T 'CAUSEYOU CAN'T WIN AN ARGUMENT.
  • 00:08:33.224 --> 00:08:34.059
  • YOU CAN'T WIN AN ARGUMENT.YOUR BROADER POINT ABOUT
  • 00:08:34.059 --> 00:08:35.193
  • YOUR BROADER POINT ABOUTTHE EXISTENCE OF AN
  • 00:08:35.193 --> 00:08:37.262
  • THE EXISTENCE OF ANOBJECTIVE TRUTH AND HOW
  • 00:08:37.262 --> 00:08:39.164
  • OBJECTIVE TRUTH AND HOWTHE PROCESS MATTERS--
  • 00:08:39.164 --> 00:08:41.533
  • THE PROCESS MATTERS--THE COURTROOM IS ABOUT THE
  • 00:08:41.533 --> 00:08:43.602
  • WHERE YOU CAN HAVE THE
  • 00:08:44.769 --> 00:08:46.071
  • WHERE YOU CAN HAVE THERIGHT PERSON FOR THE RIGHT
  • 00:08:46.071 --> 00:08:47.238
  • RIGHT PERSON FOR THE RIGHTCRIME, AND IF YOU DON'T
  • 00:08:47.238 --> 00:08:48.206
  • CRIME, AND IF YOU DON'TFOLLOW THE RIGHT PROCESS,
  • 00:08:48.206 --> 00:08:49.307
  • FOLLOW THE RIGHT PROCESS,WHETHER IT BE MIRANDA OR
  • 00:08:49.307 --> 00:08:51.142
  • WHETHER IT BE MIRANDA ORWHETHER IT BE THE FOURTH
  • 00:08:51.142 --> 00:08:52.477
  • WHETHER IT BE THE FOURTHAMENDMENT, THE COURTROOM
  • 00:08:52.477 --> 00:08:54.045
  • AMENDMENT, THE COURTROOMSAYS THE PROCESS IS
  • 00:08:54.045 --> 00:08:55.647
  • "EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE THE
  • 00:08:56.881 --> 00:08:57.882
  • "EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE THERIGHT PERSON FOR THE RIGHT
  • 00:08:57.882 --> 00:08:58.817
  • RIGHT PERSON FOR THE RIGHTCRIME, WE'RE GOING TO LET
  • 00:08:58.817 --> 00:09:00.318
  • CRIME, WE'RE GOING TO LETHIM OR HER GO BECAUSE HOW
  • 00:09:00.318 --> 00:09:01.920
  • HIM OR HER GO BECAUSE HOWYOU DO THINGS MATTERS
  • 00:09:01.920 --> 00:09:02.854
  • YOU DO THINGS MATTERSEVERY BIT AS MUCH AS WHAT
  • 00:09:02.854 --> 00:09:04.756
  • EVERY BIT AS MUCH AS WHATYOU DO."
  • 00:09:04.756 --> 00:09:05.824
  • YOU DO."NOW, CONTRAST THAT WITH
  • 00:09:05.824 --> 00:09:08.827
  • NOW, CONTRAST THAT WITHPOLITICS WHERE THE ONLY
  • 00:09:08.827 --> 00:09:09.761
  • POLITICS WHERE THE ONLYTHING THAT MATTERS IS
  • 00:09:09.761 --> 00:09:11.463
  • THING THAT MATTERS ISWINNING, AND WE KIND OF
  • 00:09:11.463 --> 00:09:12.597
  • WINNING, AND WE KIND OFMINIMIZED, EITHER
  • 00:09:12.597 --> 00:09:13.531
  • MINIMIZED, EITHERDELIBERATE FALSEHOODS
  • 00:09:13.531 --> 00:09:14.699
  • DELIBERATE FALSEHOODSOR WE'RE INTENTIONALLY
  • 00:09:14.699 --> 00:09:16.001
  • OR WE'RE INTENTIONALLYMISREPRESENTING THE OTHER
  • 00:09:16.001 --> 00:09:16.968
  • MISREPRESENTING THE OTHERSIDE'S POSITION.
  • 00:09:16.968 --> 00:09:18.536
  • SIDE'S POSITION.WE MINIMIZED THAT BECAUSE
  • 00:09:18.536 --> 00:09:20.205
  • WE MINIMIZED THAT BECAUSEWE'VE CONVINCED OURSELVES
  • 00:09:20.205 --> 00:09:21.072
  • WE'VE CONVINCED OURSELVESTHAT WINNING IS THE ONLY
  • 00:09:21.072 --> 00:09:22.374
  • THAT WINNING IS THE ONLYTHING THAT MATTERS,
  • 00:09:22.374 --> 00:09:23.174
  • THING THAT MATTERS,AND I CAN'T THINK OF
  • 00:09:23.174 --> 00:09:24.976
  • AND I CAN'T THINK OFANYTHING MORE ANTITHETICAL
  • 00:09:24.976 --> 00:09:27.412
  • ANYTHING MORE ANTITHETICALTO CHRIST THAN JUST WINNING.
  • 00:09:27.412 --> 00:09:28.413
  • TO CHRIST THAN JUST WINNING.- ERIC: AMEN.
  • 00:09:28.413 --> 00:09:30.015
  • - ERIC: AMEN.WE'RE GONNA GO TO A BREAK.
  • 00:09:30.015 --> 00:09:30.749
  • WE'RE GONNA GO TO A BREAK.WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
  • 00:09:30.749 --> 00:09:31.449
  • WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.FOLKS, I'M TALKIN' TO
  • 00:09:31.449 --> 00:09:33.852
  • FOLKS, I'M TALKIN' TOFORMER CONGRESSMAN,
  • 00:09:33.852 --> 00:09:36.721
  • - ERIC: HEY THERE, FOLKS,
  • 00:09:40.611 --> 00:09:41.078
  • - ERIC: HEY THERE, FOLKS,I'M TALKIN' TO FORMER
  • 00:09:41.078 --> 00:09:42.513
  • I'M TALKIN' TO FORMERCONGRESSMAN TREY GOWDY.
  • 00:09:42.513 --> 00:09:43.013
  • CONGRESSMAN TREY GOWDY.HE'S THE AUTHOR OF A
  • 00:09:43.013 --> 00:09:44.014
  • HE'S THE AUTHOR OF ANEW BOOK CALLED
  • 00:09:44.014 --> 00:09:45.549
  • TREY, WE WERE JUST TALKING
  • 00:09:47.218 --> 00:09:50.221
  • TREY, WE WERE JUST TALKINGABOUT THIS IDEA OF, WHEN
  • 00:09:50.221 --> 00:09:52.056
  • ABOUT THIS IDEA OF, WHENYOU'RE WORKING WITH SOME
  • 00:09:52.056 --> 00:09:54.058
  • YOU'RE WORKING WITH SOMECLEAR RULES AND SOME
  • 00:09:54.058 --> 00:09:55.259
  • CLEAR RULES AND SOMEFAIRNESS, IT'S MUCH EASIER
  • 00:09:55.259 --> 00:09:58.662
  • BUT WHEN THE RULES
  • 00:09:59.697 --> 00:10:01.132
  • BUT WHEN THE RULESTHEMSELVES ARE FUZZY,
  • 00:10:01.132 --> 00:10:02.433
  • THEMSELVES ARE FUZZY,OR WHEN YOU HAVE
  • 00:10:02.433 --> 00:10:03.801
  • OR WHEN YOU HAVEPEOPLE WHO'VE THROWN THE
  • 00:10:03.801 --> 00:10:04.668
  • PEOPLE WHO'VE THROWN THERULES OUT THE WINDOW,
  • 00:10:04.668 --> 00:10:05.669
  • RULES OUT THE WINDOW,IT CAN OFTEN BE A WASTE OF
  • 00:10:05.669 --> 00:10:07.138
  • IT CAN OFTEN BE A WASTE OFTIME, AND EVEN IN
  • 00:10:07.138 --> 00:10:09.473
  • TIME, AND EVEN INSCRIPTURE, JESUS SAYS,
  • 00:10:09.473 --> 00:10:10.274
  • SCRIPTURE, JESUS SAYS,"DON'T CAST YOUR PEARLS
  • 00:10:10.274 --> 00:10:11.442
  • "DON'T CAST YOUR PEARLSBEFORE SWINE."
  • 00:10:11.442 --> 00:10:12.143
  • BEFORE SWINE."YOU NEED TO KNOW
  • 00:10:12.143 --> 00:10:14.412
  • YOU NEED TO KNOWTO WHOM YOU'RE TALKING.
  • 00:10:14.412 --> 00:10:15.846
  • TO WHOM YOU'RE TALKING.YOU CAN'T PRETEND THAT
  • 00:10:15.846 --> 00:10:19.250
  • YOU CAN'T PRETEND THATSOMEONE IS OPEN-MINDED IF
  • 00:10:19.250 --> 00:10:20.017
  • SOMEONE IS OPEN-MINDED IFTHEY'RE NOT BEING
  • 00:10:20.017 --> 00:10:20.951
  • THEY'RE NOT BEINGOPEN-MINDED, AND THAT,
  • 00:10:20.951 --> 00:10:21.719
  • OPEN-MINDED, AND THAT,TO ME, IS A BIG PART OF THE
  • 00:10:21.719 --> 00:10:23.921
  • TO ME, IS A BIG PART OF THEPROBLEM WHICH IS WHY,
  • 00:10:23.921 --> 00:10:25.890
  • PROBLEM WHICH IS WHY,IN THIS ELECTION,
  • 00:10:25.890 --> 00:10:26.690
  • IN THIS ELECTION,THE REASON THAT I
  • 00:10:26.690 --> 00:10:28.626
  • THE REASON THAT IHAVE BEEN PUBLICLY
  • 00:10:28.626 --> 00:10:30.261
  • HAVE BEEN PUBLICLYADVOCATING FOR THE
  • 00:10:30.261 --> 00:10:32.163
  • ADVOCATING FOR THEPRESIDENT IS BECAUSE I
  • 00:10:32.163 --> 00:10:35.299
  • PRESIDENT IS BECAUSE IREALLY BELIEVE THE SYSTEM
  • 00:10:35.299 --> 00:10:38.602
  • REALLY BELIEVE THE SYSTEMNEEDS TO BE FAIR, AND I'M
  • 00:10:38.602 --> 00:10:40.604
  • NEEDS TO BE FAIR, AND I'MVERY, VERY WORRIED ABOUT
  • 00:10:40.604 --> 00:10:41.372
  • VERY, VERY WORRIED ABOUTHOW DRAMATICALLY AND
  • 00:10:41.372 --> 00:10:43.307
  • HOW DRAMATICALLY ANDRADICALLY LEFT THE
  • 00:10:43.307 --> 00:10:46.911
  • RADICALLY LEFT THEDEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS GONE.
  • 00:10:46.911 --> 00:10:47.678
  • DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS GONE.THEY'RE NOT THE PARTY OF
  • 00:10:47.678 --> 00:10:49.313
  • THEY'RE NOT THE PARTY OFOUR PARENTS.
  • 00:10:49.313 --> 00:10:49.847
  • OUR PARENTS.THEY HAVE JUST THROWN IN
  • 00:10:49.847 --> 00:10:52.216
  • THEY HAVE JUST THROWN INWITH CULTURAL MARXIST,
  • 00:10:52.216 --> 00:10:53.451
  • WITH CULTURAL MARXIST,AND I FIND IT FRIGHTENING,
  • 00:10:53.451 --> 00:10:54.518
  • AND I FIND IT FRIGHTENING,AND I THINK AMERICA NEEDS TO
  • 00:10:54.518 --> 00:10:56.754
  • AND I THINK AMERICA NEEDS TOUNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE
  • 00:10:56.754 --> 00:10:58.489
  • UNDERSTAND WHAT WE AREFACING WITH THAT BECAUSE
  • 00:10:58.489 --> 00:10:59.023
  • FACING WITH THAT BECAUSECULTURAL MARXISTS DON'T
  • 00:10:59.023 --> 00:11:00.391
  • CULTURAL MARXISTS DON'TBELIEVE IN GOD, AND THEY
  • 00:11:00.391 --> 00:11:02.726
  • BELIEVE IN GOD, AND THEYDON'T BELIEVE IN THE RULES
  • 00:11:02.726 --> 00:11:04.228
  • DON'T BELIEVE IN THE RULESTHAT GOD HANDS DOWN, AND
  • 00:11:04.228 --> 00:11:05.763
  • THAT GOD HANDS DOWN, ANDSO THEY JUST BELIEVE IN
  • 00:11:05.763 --> 00:11:06.297
  • SO THEY JUST BELIEVE IN"WHATEVER I NEED TO DO--
  • 00:11:06.297 --> 00:11:07.431
  • "WHATEVER I NEED TO DO--POWER, HOWEVER I COULD
  • 00:11:07.431 --> 00:11:08.265
  • POWER, HOWEVER I COULDGET POWER."
  • 00:11:08.265 --> 00:11:09.200
  • GET POWER."DO YOU SEE SOMETHING
  • 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:09.934
  • DO YOU SEE SOMETHINGSIMILAR?
  • 00:11:09.934 --> 00:11:11.402
  • - TREY: I DO, BUT MY
  • 00:11:12.636 --> 00:11:13.370
  • - TREY: I DO, BUT MYEXPECTATIONS FOR THE
  • 00:11:13.370 --> 00:11:14.371
  • EXPECTATIONS FOR THEDEMOCRATIC PARTY WERE
  • 00:11:14.371 --> 00:11:15.139
  • DEMOCRATIC PARTY WERENEVER THAT HIGH TO BEGIN
  • 00:11:15.139 --> 00:11:17.241
  • NEVER THAT HIGH TO BEGINWITH, SO, I MEAN, I KIND
  • 00:11:17.241 --> 00:11:17.942
  • WITH, SO, I MEAN, I KINDOF PUT THEM IN A
  • 00:11:17.942 --> 00:11:20.611
  • MY REAL FRUSTRATION OVER
  • 00:11:21.612 --> 00:11:22.213
  • MY REAL FRUSTRATION OVERTHE LAST FOUR YEARS HAS
  • 00:11:22.213 --> 00:11:23.113
  • THE LAST FOUR YEARS HASBEEN WITH THE MEDIA AND
  • 00:11:23.113 --> 00:11:25.082
  • BEEN WITH THE MEDIA ANDTHE WAY THEY COVER
  • 00:11:25.082 --> 00:11:26.050
  • THE WAY THEY COVERREPUBLICANS VERSUS
  • 00:11:26.050 --> 00:11:29.653
  • REPUBLICANS VERSUSDEMOCRATS,
  • 00:11:29.653 --> 00:11:30.521
  • DEMOCRATS,THE WAY THEY COVER ISSUES.
  • 00:11:30.521 --> 00:11:31.789
  • THE WAY THEY COVER ISSUES.STEVE BANNON'S INDICTMENT
  • 00:11:31.789 --> 00:11:33.290
  • STEVE BANNON'S INDICTMENTIS FRONT-PAGE NEWS, BUT AN
  • 00:11:33.290 --> 00:11:35.559
  • IS FRONT-PAGE NEWS, BUT ANFBI EMPLOYEE WHO PLEADS
  • 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:37.061
  • FBI EMPLOYEE WHO PLEADSGUILTY IS BURIED, AND MY
  • 00:11:37.061 --> 00:11:38.996
  • GUILTY IS BURIED, AND MYREAL FRUSTRATION OVER THE
  • 00:11:38.996 --> 00:11:39.663
  • REAL FRUSTRATION OVER THELAST FOUR YEARS,
  • 00:11:39.663 --> 00:11:41.265
  • LAST FOUR YEARS,WE DESPERATELY NEED A
  • 00:11:41.265 --> 00:11:44.068
  • WE DESPERATELY NEED ADEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND
  • 00:11:44.068 --> 00:11:46.804
  • DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ANDA LEGAL SYSTEM THAT, WHILE
  • 00:11:46.804 --> 00:11:48.672
  • A LEGAL SYSTEM THAT, WHILEWE MAY NOT ALWAYS LIKE IT,
  • 00:11:48.672 --> 00:11:50.007
  • WE MAY NOT ALWAYS LIKE IT,WE ALWAYS RESPECT IT,
  • 00:11:50.007 --> 00:11:51.976
  • WE ALWAYS RESPECT IT,AND IT'S BEEN A DREADFUL FOUR
  • 00:11:51.976 --> 00:11:53.511
  • AND IT'S BEEN A DREADFUL FOURYEARS FOR THE FBI AND THE
  • 00:11:53.511 --> 00:11:56.146
  • YEARS FOR THE FBI AND THEDEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE,
  • 00:11:56.146 --> 00:11:57.348
  • DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE,AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING
  • 00:11:57.348 --> 00:11:58.249
  • AND I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOINGTO MAKE IT AS A CULTURE IF
  • 00:11:58.249 --> 00:12:00.050
  • TO MAKE IT AS A CULTURE IFWE DON'T--
  • 00:12:00.050 --> 00:12:00.751
  • WE DON'T--IF WE CAN'T AGREE
  • 00:12:00.751 --> 00:12:04.121
  • THAT IT SHOULD BE
  • 00:12:05.656 --> 00:12:07.091
  • THAT IT SHOULD BEBLINDFOLDED AND OBLIVIOUS
  • 00:12:07.091 --> 00:12:08.125
  • BLINDFOLDED AND OBLIVIOUSTO YOUR POLITICAL IDEATION
  • 00:12:08.125 --> 00:12:11.462
  • TO YOUR POLITICAL IDEATIONOR YOUR RACE OR YOUR GENDER.
  • 00:12:11.462 --> 00:12:11.962
  • OR YOUR RACE OR YOUR GENDER.I DON'T EVEN SEE THAT
  • 00:12:11.962 --> 00:12:13.864
  • I SEE A MITIGATION OF
  • 00:12:15.032 --> 00:12:17.468
  • I SEE A MITIGATION OFUSING THE LEVERS OF THE
  • 00:12:17.468 --> 00:12:18.335
  • USING THE LEVERS OF THEDEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND
  • 00:12:18.335 --> 00:12:20.070
  • DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE ANDTHE FBI TO IMPACT AN
  • 00:12:20.070 --> 00:12:21.505
  • THE FBI TO IMPACT ANELECTION.
  • 00:12:21.505 --> 00:12:23.807
  • ELECTION.I SEE A MINIMIZING OF THAT.
  • 00:12:23.807 --> 00:12:25.609
  • I SEE A MINIMIZING OF THAT.THAT'S WHAT'S GOT ME FAR
  • 00:12:25.609 --> 00:12:27.811
  • THAT'S WHAT'S GOT ME FARMORE WORRIED.
  • 00:12:27.811 --> 00:12:28.412
  • MORE WORRIED.I GOTTA TRUST MY CITIZENS
  • 00:12:28.412 --> 00:12:31.882
  • I GOTTA TRUST THEM TO DO IT.
  • 00:12:32.983 --> 00:12:34.451
  • I GOTTA TRUST THEM TO DO IT.IT'S THESE ARBITERS, THESE
  • 00:12:34.451 --> 00:12:36.654
  • IT'S THESE ARBITERS, THESEREFEREES THAT HAVE FAILED
  • 00:12:36.654 --> 00:12:40.291
  • REFEREES THAT HAVE FAILEDUS THAT CONCERNS ME MORE.
  • 00:12:40.291 --> 00:12:40.991
  • US THAT CONCERNS ME MORE.- ERIC: WELL, OF COURSE,
  • 00:12:40.991 --> 00:12:42.192
  • - ERIC: WELL, OF COURSE,YOU'RE RIGHT.
  • 00:12:42.192 --> 00:12:43.327
  • YOU'RE RIGHT.I MEAN, THINGS HAVE GOTTEN
  • 00:12:43.327 --> 00:12:45.162
  • I MEAN, THINGS HAVE GOTTENSHRILLER AND MORE CYNICAL
  • 00:12:45.162 --> 00:12:48.399
  • I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WHEN
  • 00:12:49.366 --> 00:12:49.967
  • I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WHENYOU TALK ABOUT THE VOTERS,
  • 00:12:49.967 --> 00:12:51.635
  • YOU TALK ABOUT THE VOTERS,THAT'S THE FUNNY THING, TO
  • 00:12:51.635 --> 00:12:53.671
  • THAT'S THE FUNNY THING, TOME, IS THAT, IF EVER THERE
  • 00:12:53.671 --> 00:12:55.506
  • ME, IS THAT, IF EVER THEREWERE PRESSURE ON THE
  • 00:12:55.506 --> 00:12:57.575
  • WERE PRESSURE ON THEVOTERS TO PAY
  • 00:12:57.575 --> 00:13:00.044
  • VOTERS TO PAYATTENTION--BECAUSE WE
  • 00:13:00.044 --> 00:13:01.145
  • ATTENTION--BECAUSE WEDON'T HAVE THE SOURCES
  • 00:13:01.145 --> 00:13:02.646
  • DON'T HAVE THE SOURCESTHAT WE ONCE DID.
  • 00:13:02.646 --> 00:13:04.014
  • THAT WE ONCE DID.YOU KNOW, IF YOU TURN ON
  • 00:13:04.014 --> 00:13:06.483
  • YOU KNOW, IF YOU TURN ONCNN, YOU'RE REALLY GETTING
  • 00:13:06.483 --> 00:13:07.451
  • CNN, YOU'RE REALLY GETTINGSOMETHING SO DRAMATICALLY
  • 00:13:07.451 --> 00:13:08.218
  • SOMETHING SO DRAMATICALLYSLANTED, IT'S ACTUALLY
  • 00:13:08.218 --> 00:13:10.521
  • I MEAN, IT HAPPENED WHEN
  • 00:13:11.555 --> 00:13:11.989
  • I MEAN, IT HAPPENED WHENTHIS PRESIDENT GOT
  • 00:13:11.989 --> 00:13:12.489
  • THIS PRESIDENT GOTELECTED, PRETTY MUCH.
  • 00:13:12.489 --> 00:13:13.924
  • ELECTED, PRETTY MUCH.SOMETHING SHIFTED SO
  • 00:13:13.924 --> 00:13:16.627
  • SOMETHING SHIFTED SODRAMATICALLY, AND WE'RE
  • 00:13:16.627 --> 00:13:18.095
  • DRAMATICALLY, AND WE'REHAVING TO FIGHT JUST TO
  • 00:13:18.095 --> 00:13:21.532
  • WHAT'S NOT HAPPENING,
  • 00:13:22.499 --> 00:13:23.734
  • WHAT'S NOT HAPPENING,BECAUSE THEY'RE
  • 00:13:23.734 --> 00:13:25.002
  • BECAUSE THEY'RESTRAIGHT-UP NOT COVERING
  • 00:13:25.002 --> 00:13:25.536
  • STRAIGHT-UP NOT COVERINGSOME THINGS AS YOU JUST
  • 00:13:25.536 --> 00:13:26.203
  • SOME THINGS AS YOU JUSTMENTIONED.
  • 00:13:26.203 --> 00:13:27.538
  • MENTIONED.IT'S A SCANDAL, AND IT'S A
  • 00:13:27.538 --> 00:13:29.139
  • IT'S A SCANDAL, AND IT'S AREAL INFLECTION POINT IN
  • 00:13:29.139 --> 00:13:30.808
  • REAL INFLECTION POINT INTHE REPUBLIC.
  • 00:13:30.808 --> 00:13:31.742
  • THE REPUBLIC.- TREY: I THINK THEY
  • 00:13:31.742 --> 00:13:32.576
  • - TREY: I THINK THEYFIGURED OUT HOW TO MONETIZE,
  • 00:13:32.576 --> 00:13:34.178
  • FIGURED OUT HOW TO MONETIZE,HOW TO CONFLATE THE NEWS
  • 00:13:34.178 --> 00:13:37.281
  • HOW TO CONFLATE THE NEWSWITH ADVOCACY AND HOW TO
  • 00:13:37.281 --> 00:13:40.884
  • WITH ADVOCACY AND HOW TOMONETIZE IT, AND I DO GO
  • 00:13:40.884 --> 00:13:41.652
  • MONETIZE IT, AND I DO GOON CNN'S WEBSITE FROM TIME
  • 00:13:41.652 --> 00:13:44.521
  • ON CNN'S WEBSITE FROM TIMETO TIME, AND I AM --
  • 00:13:44.521 --> 00:13:46.423
  • TO TIME, AND I AM --I'M JUST STUNNED--
  • 00:13:46.423 --> 00:13:47.124
  • I'M JUST STUNNED--I MEAN, THE NEWS, ERIC,
  • 00:13:47.124 --> 00:13:48.125
  • I MEAN, THE NEWS, ERIC,IS NOT JUST HOW YOU
  • 00:13:48.125 --> 00:13:49.526
  • IS NOT JUST HOW YOUCOVER THINGS.
  • 00:13:49.526 --> 00:13:50.461
  • COVER THINGS.IT'S WHAT YOU DECIDE
  • 00:13:50.461 --> 00:13:51.562
  • IT'S WHAT YOU DECIDETO COVER.
  • 00:13:51.562 --> 00:13:52.363
  • TO COVER.I MEAN, THAT'S A LOT OF
  • 00:13:52.363 --> 00:13:53.564
  • I MEAN, THAT'S A LOT OFPOWER.
  • 00:13:53.564 --> 00:13:54.331
  • POWER.I GET TO DECIDE WHAT IS
  • 00:13:54.331 --> 00:13:55.366
  • I GET TO DECIDE WHAT ISNEWS, AND THEN I GET TO
  • 00:13:55.366 --> 00:13:56.100
  • NEWS, AND THEN I GET TODECIDE HOW TO, KIND OF,
  • 00:13:56.100 --> 00:13:58.669
  • YOU GO ON CNN WEBSITE OR
  • 00:13:59.970 --> 00:14:02.840
  • YOU GO ON CNN WEBSITE OREVEN WORSE,
  • 00:14:02.840 --> 00:14:04.675
  • EVEN WORSE,"THE WASHINGTON POST," OR
  • 00:14:04.675 --> 00:14:06.377
  • "THE WASHINGTON POST," OR"THE NEW YORK TIMES,"
  • 00:14:06.377 --> 00:14:07.478
  • "THE NEW YORK TIMES,"I MEAN, I WAS WATCHING.
  • 00:14:07.478 --> 00:14:08.946
  • I MEAN, I WAS WATCHING.I WATCHED TIM SCOTT AND
  • 00:14:08.946 --> 00:14:09.947
  • I WATCHED TIM SCOTT ANDNIKKI HALEY LAST NIGHT.
  • 00:14:09.947 --> 00:14:10.748
  • NIKKI HALEY LAST NIGHT.I DIDN'T WATCH ANYTHING
  • 00:14:10.748 --> 00:14:12.549
  • I DIDN'T WATCH ANYTHINGOTHER THAN THOSE TWO.
  • 00:14:12.549 --> 00:14:13.684
  • OTHER THAN THOSE TWO.BUT IF YOU FLIP ON
  • 00:14:13.684 --> 00:14:14.918
  • BUT IF YOU FLIP ON"THE NEW YORK TIMES,"
  • 00:14:14.918 --> 00:14:16.487
  • "THE NEW YORK TIMES,"THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY
  • 00:14:16.487 --> 00:14:17.755
  • THEY ARE ESSENTIALLYEXTENSIONS OF THE
  • 00:14:17.755 --> 00:14:21.091
  • EXTENSIONS OF THEDEMOCRATIC PARTY,
  • 00:14:21.091 --> 00:14:21.725
  • DEMOCRATIC PARTY,SO REPUBLICANS HAVE A CHOICE.
  • 00:14:21.725 --> 00:14:22.326
  • SO REPUBLICANS HAVE A CHOICE.WE CAN GO GET OUR OWN
  • 00:14:22.326 --> 00:14:25.729
  • WE CAN GO GET OUR OWNNEWSPAPER,
  • 00:14:25.729 --> 00:14:26.296
  • NEWSPAPER,BUT THE SISTERY LOSES
  • 00:14:26.296 --> 00:14:28.165
  • BUT THE SISTERY LOSESBECAUSE THEIR QUESTIONS--
  • 00:14:28.165 --> 00:14:28.599
  • BECAUSE THEIR QUESTIONS--OKAY, WHERE DO I GO
  • 00:14:28.599 --> 00:14:29.767
  • OKAY, WHERE DO I GOJUST TO FIND THE STRAIGHT NEWS,
  • 00:14:29.767 --> 00:14:30.701
  • JUST TO FIND THE STRAIGHT NEWS,THE STRAIGHT FACTS?
  • 00:14:30.701 --> 00:14:31.602
  • THE STRAIGHT FACTS?I MEAN, HOW WOULD YOU
  • 00:14:31.602 --> 00:14:32.503
  • I MEAN, HOW WOULD YOUANSWER THAT QUESTION IF A
  • 00:14:32.503 --> 00:14:33.637
  • ANSWER THAT QUESTION IF AYOUNG PERSON CAME UP TO
  • 00:14:33.637 --> 00:14:34.705
  • YOUNG PERSON CAME UP TOYOU AND SAID, "ERIC, WHERE
  • 00:14:34.705 --> 00:14:35.706
  • YOU AND SAID, "ERIC, WHEREDO I GO TO JUST FIND
  • 00:14:35.706 --> 00:14:38.042
  • DO I GO TO JUST FINDTHE FACTS?"
  • 00:14:38.042 --> 00:14:40.277
  • THE FACTS?"- ERIC: WELL, PEOPLE HAVE
  • 00:14:40.277 --> 00:14:40.944
  • - ERIC: WELL, PEOPLE HAVEASKED ME THAT QUESTION,
  • 00:14:40.944 --> 00:14:42.946
  • ASKED ME THAT QUESTION,AND IT'S NOT EASY.
  • 00:14:42.946 --> 00:14:44.915
  • AND IT'S NOT EASY.I THINK THAT PART OF WHAT
  • 00:14:44.915 --> 00:14:47.584
  • I THINK THAT PART OF WHATYOU HAVE TO DO IS YOU HAVE
  • 00:14:47.584 --> 00:14:48.152
  • YOU HAVE TO DO IS YOU HAVETO FIGURE OUT WHOM YOU CAN
  • 00:14:48.152 --> 00:14:49.420
  • TO FIGURE OUT WHOM YOU CANTRUST.
  • 00:14:49.420 --> 00:14:51.188
  • TRUST.THERE ARE CERTAIN VOICES
  • 00:14:51.188 --> 00:14:51.922
  • THERE ARE CERTAIN VOICESOUT THERE-- I TRY TO BE
  • 00:14:51.922 --> 00:14:52.690
  • OUT THERE-- I TRY TO BEONE OF THOSE VOICES--
  • 00:14:52.690 --> 00:14:54.658
  • ONE OF THOSE VOICES--THAT ARE GOING TO TRY THEIR
  • 00:14:54.658 --> 00:14:58.262
  • THAT ARE GOING TO TRY THEIRHARDEST TO GET IT STRAIGHT.
  • 00:14:58.262 --> 00:14:59.363
  • HARDEST TO GET IT STRAIGHT.NOW, IT DOESN'T MEAN I
  • 00:14:59.363 --> 00:15:00.164
  • NOW, IT DOESN'T MEAN IWON'T COME UP WITH A
  • 00:15:00.164 --> 00:15:01.699
  • WON'T COME UP WITH ACONCLUSION, BUT THE POINT
  • 00:15:01.699 --> 00:15:02.433
  • CONCLUSION, BUT THE POINTIS THAT PEOPLE WOULD TRUST
  • 00:15:02.433 --> 00:15:03.300
  • IS THAT PEOPLE WOULD TRUSTME THAT I'M NOT TWISTING
  • 00:15:03.300 --> 00:15:04.902
  • ME THAT I'M NOT TWISTINGTHINGS TO GET THAT
  • 00:15:04.902 --> 00:15:06.403
  • THINGS TO GET THATCONCLUSION.
  • 00:15:06.403 --> 00:15:07.171
  • CONCLUSION.AND I THINK THAT
  • 00:15:07.171 --> 00:15:08.172
  • AND I THINK THATWE USED TO BE ABLE
  • 00:15:08.172 --> 00:15:08.806
  • WE USED TO BE ABLETO DO THAT JUST BY TURNING
  • 00:15:08.806 --> 00:15:09.873
  • TO DO THAT JUST BY TURNINGON TV, ASSUMING THAT THOSE
  • 00:15:09.873 --> 00:15:12.076
  • ON TV, ASSUMING THAT THOSESTANDARDS EXISTED, AND AS
  • 00:15:12.076 --> 00:15:12.676
  • STANDARDS EXISTED, AND ASYOU SAY, THEY DON'T ANYMORE.
  • 00:15:12.676 --> 00:15:14.078
  • YOU SAY, THEY DON'T ANYMORE.I MEAN, EVEN THE MOST
  • 00:15:14.078 --> 00:15:15.979
  • I MEAN, EVEN THE MOSTDRAMATIC EXAMPLE IS THE
  • 00:15:15.979 --> 00:15:18.649
  • DRAMATIC EXAMPLE IS THECULTURAL MARXISM THAT HAS
  • 00:15:18.649 --> 00:15:21.318
  • CULTURAL MARXISM THAT HASPOURED ONTO THE STREETS OF
  • 00:15:21.318 --> 00:15:21.952
  • POURED ONTO THE STREETS OFAMERICA IN THE FORM OF
  • 00:15:21.952 --> 00:15:24.521
  • AMERICA IN THE FORM OFANTIFA AND THE BLACK LIVES
  • 00:15:24.521 --> 00:15:25.522
  • ANTIFA AND THE BLACK LIVESMATTER ORGANIZATION WHO
  • 00:15:25.522 --> 00:15:28.859
  • MATTER ORGANIZATION WHOPRETEND TO CARE ABOUT
  • 00:15:28.859 --> 00:15:29.660
  • PRETEND TO CARE ABOUTBLACK LIVES, AND I THOUGHT,
  • 00:15:29.660 --> 00:15:30.527
  • BLACK LIVES, AND I THOUGHT,"WHAT CAN BE MORE
  • 00:15:30.527 --> 00:15:32.362
  • "WHAT CAN BE MORECYNICAL THAN CLEARLY NOT
  • 00:15:32.362 --> 00:15:33.831
  • CYNICAL THAN CLEARLY NOTCARING ABOUT THE AVERAGE
  • 00:15:33.831 --> 00:15:36.900
  • CARING ABOUT THE AVERAGEBLACK IN AMERICA?
  • 00:15:36.900 --> 00:15:37.501
  • BLACK IN AMERICA?YOU CLEARLY DON'T SHARE
  • 00:15:37.501 --> 00:15:38.302
  • YOU CLEARLY DON'T SHARETHEIR VALUES.
  • 00:15:38.302 --> 00:15:39.269
  • THEIR VALUES.YOU ARE A MARXIST.
  • 00:15:39.269 --> 00:15:40.437
  • YOU ARE A MARXIST.YOU'RE ANTIFAMILY.
  • 00:15:40.437 --> 00:15:41.939
  • YOU'RE ANTIFAMILY.YOU'RE ANTI-EVERYTHING
  • 00:15:41.939 --> 00:15:45.042
  • YOU'RE ANTI-EVERYTHINGTHAT WOULD LIFT THEM UP,
  • 00:15:45.042 --> 00:15:45.576
  • THAT WOULD LIFT THEM UP,AND, YET YOU'VE USED THIS
  • 00:15:45.576 --> 00:15:46.110
  • AND, YET YOU'VE USED THISPHRASE."
  • 00:15:46.110 --> 00:15:47.244
  • PHRASE."AND I THINK WE'RE
  • 00:15:47.244 --> 00:15:48.078
  • AND I THINK WE'RELIVING IN A TIME
  • 00:15:48.078 --> 00:15:48.812
  • LIVING IN A TIMEWHERE THE NEWS WON'T TALK
  • 00:15:48.812 --> 00:15:49.580
  • WHERE THE NEWS WON'T TALKABOUT THIS.
  • 00:15:49.580 --> 00:15:50.981
  • ABOUT THIS.THEY CONFLATE THE TWO
  • 00:15:50.981 --> 00:15:52.049
  • THEY CONFLATE THE TWOIDEAS AS THOUGH, IF YOU
  • 00:15:52.049 --> 00:15:52.983
  • IDEAS AS THOUGH, IF YOUCARE ABOUT BLACK LIVES,
  • 00:15:52.983 --> 00:15:54.118
  • CARE ABOUT BLACK LIVES,YOU HAVE TO SIDE WITH
  • 00:15:54.118 --> 00:15:55.052
  • YOU HAVE TO SIDE WITHBLACK LIVES MATTER, AND I
  • 00:15:55.052 --> 00:15:55.853
  • BLACK LIVES MATTER, AND IGOTTA TELL YOU, IF YOU
  • 00:15:55.853 --> 00:15:57.387
  • GOTTA TELL YOU, IF YOUCARE ABOUT BLACK LIVES--
  • 00:15:57.387 --> 00:15:59.156
  • CARE ABOUT BLACK LIVES--AND YOU BETTER IF YOU'RE
  • 00:15:59.156 --> 00:16:00.257
  • AND YOU BETTER IF YOU'REANY KIND OF A CHRISTIAN--
  • 00:16:00.257 --> 00:16:02.693
  • ANY KIND OF A CHRISTIAN--YOU HAVE TO SPEAK OUT
  • 00:16:02.693 --> 00:16:04.128
  • YOU HAVE TO SPEAK OUTAGAINST BLACK LIVES MATTER.
  • 00:16:04.128 --> 00:16:06.063
  • AGAINST BLACK LIVES MATTER.SO IT'S BECOME VERY
  • 00:16:06.063 --> 00:16:07.765
  • SO IT'S BECOME VERYDIFFICULT TODAY, AS YOU
  • 00:16:07.765 --> 00:16:09.399
  • DIFFICULT TODAY, AS YOUSAY, AND YOU HAVE TO TRY
  • 00:16:09.399 --> 00:16:11.468
  • SAY, AND YOU HAVE TO TRYTO FIND A HANDFUL OF
  • 00:16:11.468 --> 00:16:13.403
  • TO FIND A HANDFUL OFPEOPLE OR HANDFUL OF
  • 00:16:13.403 --> 00:16:15.105
  • PEOPLE OR HANDFUL OFPLACES WHERE YOU SIMPLY
  • 00:16:15.105 --> 00:16:18.175
  • PLACES WHERE YOU SIMPLYTRUST THOSE VOICES,
  • 00:16:18.175 --> 00:16:18.742
  • TRUST THOSE VOICES,THAT THEY'RE GOING TO TRY
  • 00:16:18.742 --> 00:16:20.477
  • THAT THEY'RE GOING TO TRYTO GIVE IT TO YOU STRAIGHT.
  • 00:16:20.477 --> 00:16:21.912
  • TO GIVE IT TO YOU STRAIGHT.BUT AS YOU'RE SAYING,
  • 00:16:21.912 --> 00:16:23.514
  • BUT AS YOU'RE SAYING,IT ISN'T EASY.
  • 00:16:23.514 --> 00:16:24.515
  • IT ISN'T EASY.SO, IN A SENSE,
  • 00:16:24.515 --> 00:16:25.716
  • SO, IN A SENSE,THE AMERICAN CITIZEN IS
  • 00:16:25.716 --> 00:16:29.353
  • THE AMERICAN CITIZEN ISBEING FORCED TO DO THE WORK
  • 00:16:29.353 --> 00:16:31.522
  • BEING FORCED TO DO THE WORKOF STAYING FREE, KEEPING
  • 00:16:31.522 --> 00:16:32.256
  • OF STAYING FREE, KEEPINGFREE, FIGHTING FOR FREEDOM.
  • 00:16:32.256 --> 00:16:34.091
  • FREE, FIGHTING FOR FREEDOM.IT REQUIRES A LITTLE BIT
  • 00:16:34.091 --> 00:16:34.758
  • IT REQUIRES A LITTLE BITMORE WORK.
  • 00:16:34.758 --> 00:16:35.559
  • MORE WORK.MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE TO
  • 00:16:35.559 --> 00:16:37.361
  • MAYBE WE DON'T HAVE TOPICK UP A GUN AND GO TO
  • 00:16:37.361 --> 00:16:38.095
  • PICK UP A GUN AND GO TOWAR, BUT IT REQUIRES
  • 00:16:38.095 --> 00:16:39.997
  • WAR, BUT IT REQUIRESSOMETHING OF EACH OF US IN
  • 00:16:39.997 --> 00:16:40.831
  • SOMETHING OF EACH OF US INA WAY THAT IT HASN'T IN
  • 00:16:40.831 --> 00:16:41.965
  • A WAY THAT IT HASN'T INTHE LAST FEW DECADES.
  • 00:16:41.965 --> 00:16:42.733
  • WHEN I HEAR THAT PHRASE,
  • 00:16:44.168 --> 00:16:45.235
  • WHEN I HEAR THAT PHRASE,THE QUESTION I WANNA ASK IS
  • 00:16:45.235 --> 00:16:46.303
  • THE QUESTION I WANNA ASK IS"WHERE WERE YOU 20
  • 00:16:46.303 --> 00:16:46.804
  • "WHERE WERE YOU 20YEARS AGO?
  • 00:16:46.804 --> 00:16:48.872
  • YEARS AGO?WHERE WERE YOU WHEN I WAS
  • 00:16:48.872 --> 00:16:51.441
  • WHERE WERE YOU WHEN I WASTRYING TO CONVINCE
  • 00:16:51.441 --> 00:16:53.210
  • TRYING TO CONVINCEWITNESSES THAT SAW A
  • 00:16:53.210 --> 00:16:55.045
  • WITNESSES THAT SAW ALITTLE GIRL GET SHOT AT A
  • 00:16:55.045 --> 00:16:55.712
  • LITTLE GIRL GET SHOT AT ABIRTHDAY PARTY TO COME
  • 00:16:55.712 --> 00:16:57.147
  • BIRTHDAY PARTY TO COMEFORWARD AND COOPERATE
  • 00:16:57.147 --> 00:16:58.015
  • FORWARD AND COOPERATEBECAUSE HER LIFE
  • 00:16:58.015 --> 00:16:58.982
  • BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT
  • 00:17:00.918 --> 00:17:01.518
  • BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHATHAPPENS.
  • 00:17:01.518 --> 00:17:02.252
  • HAPPENS.YOU HAVE A HOMICIDE.
  • 00:17:02.252 --> 00:17:03.187
  • YOU HAVE A HOMICIDE.YOU GOTTA GO TO COURT AND
  • 00:17:03.187 --> 00:17:04.121
  • YOU GOTTA GO TO COURT ANDPROVE IT.
  • 00:17:04.121 --> 00:17:04.855
  • PROVE IT.IF YOU DON'T HAVE
  • 00:17:04.855 --> 00:17:06.223
  • IF YOU DON'T HAVEWITNESSES-- THAT THEY
  • 00:17:06.223 --> 00:17:06.723
  • WITNESSES-- THAT THEYWON'T COOPERATE, THEY
  • 00:17:06.723 --> 00:17:08.058
  • WON'T COOPERATE, THEYWON'T TELL YOU WHO WAS
  • 00:17:08.058 --> 00:17:08.759
  • WON'T TELL YOU WHO WASDRIVING THE CAR OR WHAT
  • 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:10.327
  • DRIVING THE CAR OR WHATKIND OF CAR IT WAS,
  • 00:17:10.327 --> 00:17:10.894
  • KIND OF CAR IT WAS,THEN THAT LIFE IS DEVALUED
  • 00:17:10.894 --> 00:17:11.795
  • THEN THAT LIFE IS DEVALUEDBECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA
  • 00:17:11.795 --> 00:17:14.031
  • WHAT YOU DO IS YOU WIND UP
  • 00:17:15.098 --> 00:17:16.033
  • WHAT YOU DO IS YOU WIND UPCREATING A DOUBT TO
  • 00:17:16.033 --> 00:17:16.867
  • CREATING A DOUBT TOSOMETHING THAT IS NOT
  • 00:17:16.867 --> 00:17:17.434
  • SOMETHING THAT IS NOTREFLECTIVE OF THE VALUE OF
  • 00:17:17.434 --> 00:17:19.069
  • REFLECTIVE OF THE VALUE OFHER LIFE.
  • 00:17:19.069 --> 00:17:20.938
  • HER LIFE.SO IF YOU WANT TO PROVE,
  • 00:17:20.938 --> 00:17:22.539
  • SO IF YOU WANT TO PROVE,NOT SAY, BUT PROVE THAT
  • 00:17:22.539 --> 00:17:23.774
  • NOT SAY, BUT PROVE THATBLACK LIVES MATTER,
  • 00:17:23.774 --> 00:17:26.009
  • BLACK LIVES MATTER,THEN START HELPING US TREAT
  • 00:17:26.009 --> 00:17:26.877
  • THEN START HELPING US TREATTHOSE LIVES THE SAME WAY
  • 00:17:26.877 --> 00:17:29.379
  • THOSE LIVES THE SAME WAYIN THE COURTROOM AND GET
  • 00:17:29.379 --> 00:17:30.814
  • IN THE COURTROOM AND GETTHE EXACT SAME VERDICT FOR
  • 00:17:30.814 --> 00:17:32.583
  • THE EXACT SAME VERDICT FORTHE DEATH OF AN
  • 00:17:32.583 --> 00:17:34.184
  • THE DEATH OF ANEIGHT-YEAR-OLD BLACK GIRL
  • 00:17:34.184 --> 00:17:35.953
  • EIGHT-YEAR-OLD BLACK GIRLAS YOU WOULD SOMEONE ELSE.
  • 00:17:35.953 --> 00:17:36.753
  • AS YOU WOULD SOMEONE ELSE.SO DON'T TELL ME
  • 00:17:36.753 --> 00:17:37.654
  • SO DON'T TELL MEIT MATTERS.
  • 00:17:37.654 --> 00:17:39.189
  • IT MATTERS.PROVE IT TO ME AND START
  • 00:17:39.189 --> 00:17:40.324
  • PROVE IT TO ME AND STARTCOOPERATING.
  • 00:17:40.324 --> 00:17:41.091
  • COOPERATING.I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY
  • 00:17:41.091 --> 00:17:42.759
  • I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEYWERE 20 YEARS AGO, BUT I
  • 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:46.430
  • WERE 20 YEARS AGO, BUT IDIDN'T HEAR A LOT OF HELP
  • 00:17:46.430 --> 00:17:47.264
  • DIDN'T HEAR A LOT OF HELPFOR PROSECUTORS AND COPS
  • 00:17:47.264 --> 00:17:47.798
  • FOR PROSECUTORS AND COPSTHAT WERE TRYING TO NOT
  • 00:17:47.798 --> 00:17:48.632
  • THAT WERE TRYING TO NOTJUST SAY THAT BLACK LIVES
  • 00:17:48.632 --> 00:17:49.867
  • JUST SAY THAT BLACK LIVESMATTER BUT ACTUALLY PROVE
  • 00:17:49.867 --> 00:17:52.302
  • MATTER BUT ACTUALLY PROVEIT IN THE COURT OF LAW.
  • 00:17:52.302 --> 00:17:54.104
  • IT IN THE COURT OF LAW.- ERIC: WELL, PEOPLE OF
  • 00:17:54.104 --> 00:17:55.873
  • - ERIC: WELL, PEOPLE OFFAITH REALLY NEED TO LIVE
  • 00:17:55.873 --> 00:17:57.608
  • FAITH REALLY NEED TO LIVETHEIR FAITH OUT WHEREVER
  • 00:17:57.608 --> 00:17:58.876
  • THEIR FAITH OUT WHEREVERTHEY ARE, NOT JUST IN
  • 00:17:58.876 --> 00:18:00.844
  • THEY ARE, NOT JUST INCHURCH, BUT IN THE JUSTICE
  • 00:18:00.844 --> 00:18:02.913
  • CHURCH, BUT IN THE JUSTICESYSTEM, IN THE CULTURE.
  • 00:18:02.913 --> 00:18:03.647
  • SYSTEM, IN THE CULTURE.IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT,
  • 00:18:03.647 --> 00:18:05.282
  • IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT,AND I HAVE TO SAY--
  • 00:18:05.282 --> 00:18:06.583
  • AND I HAVE TO SAY--I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIME
  • 00:18:06.583 --> 00:18:07.751
  • I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH TIMEWE HAVE IN THIS SEGMENT--
  • 00:18:07.751 --> 00:18:08.919
  • WE HAVE IN THIS SEGMENT--PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH TO GET
  • 00:18:08.919 --> 00:18:10.153
  • PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH TO GETINTO THIS, BUT WHAT I'VE
  • 00:18:10.153 --> 00:18:11.088
  • INTO THIS, BUT WHAT I'VELEARNED IN THE LAST COUPLE
  • 00:18:11.088 --> 00:18:13.624
  • LEARNED IN THE LAST COUPLEOF YEARS, I OFTEN CONFESS
  • 00:18:13.624 --> 00:18:14.958
  • OF YEARS, I OFTEN CONFESSIGNORANCE ON THINGS.
  • 00:18:14.958 --> 00:18:16.627
  • IGNORANCE ON THINGS.I SAY, "I HAD NO IDEA THAT
  • 00:18:16.627 --> 00:18:17.895
  • I SAY, "I HAD NO IDEA THATTHE HISTORY OF THE
  • 00:18:17.895 --> 00:18:19.630
  • THE HISTORY OF THEDEMOCRATIC PARTY WAS A
  • 00:18:19.630 --> 00:18:22.366
  • DEMOCRATIC PARTY WAS AHISTORY OF RACISM."
  • 00:18:22.366 --> 00:18:24.935
  • HISTORY OF RACISM."I NEVER, EVER KNEW THAT, AND
  • 00:18:24.935 --> 00:18:26.069
  • I NEVER, EVER KNEW THAT, ANDWHEN I LEARNED THAT
  • 00:18:26.069 --> 00:18:27.838
  • WHEN I LEARNED THATLYNDON JOHNSON--
  • 00:18:27.838 --> 00:18:29.206
  • LYNDON JOHNSON--HE GETS CREDIT.
  • 00:18:29.206 --> 00:18:30.540
  • HE GETS CREDIT.THE DEMOCRATS GET CREDIT
  • 00:18:30.540 --> 00:18:33.110
  • THE DEMOCRATS GET CREDITFOR THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT,
  • 00:18:33.110 --> 00:18:34.711
  • FOR THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT,AND I THINK TO MYSELF, I
  • 00:18:34.711 --> 00:18:35.512
  • AND I THINK TO MYSELF, INEVER KNEW THAT MOST OF
  • 00:18:35.512 --> 00:18:36.947
  • NEVER KNEW THAT MOST OFTHE DEMOCRATS WERE AGAINST
  • 00:18:36.947 --> 00:18:38.015
  • THE DEMOCRATS WERE AGAINSTIT, AND I NEVER KNEW THE
  • 00:18:38.015 --> 00:18:39.783
  • IT, AND I NEVER KNEW THECYNICISM OF LYNDON JOHNSON.
  • 00:18:39.783 --> 00:18:41.351
  • CYNICISM OF LYNDON JOHNSON.IT'S ONE OF THE MOST
  • 00:18:41.351 --> 00:18:42.452
  • IT'S ONE OF THE MOSTCYNICAL, HORRIBLE THINGS
  • 00:18:42.452 --> 00:18:45.589
  • CYNICAL, HORRIBLE THINGSI'VE EVER HEARD THAT HE
  • 00:18:45.589 --> 00:18:46.924
  • I'VE EVER HEARD THAT HEHE SIGNED IT AND HE GOT NO
  • 00:18:46.924 --> 00:18:48.825
  • HE SIGNED IT AND HE GOT NODEMOCRATIC SUPPORT,
  • 00:18:48.825 --> 00:18:50.294
  • DEMOCRATIC SUPPORT,HE SAYS, "WE'RE GONNA HAVE
  • 00:18:50.294 --> 00:18:52.462
  • HE SAYS, "WE'RE GONNA HAVETHESE--" 'N' WORDS--
  • 00:18:52.462 --> 00:18:55.132
  • THESE--" 'N' WORDS--"VOTING FOR US FOR 200 YEARS."
  • 00:18:55.132 --> 00:18:55.799
  • "VOTING FOR US FOR 200 YEARS."IT WAS SO CYNICAL,
  • 00:18:55.799 --> 00:18:57.301
  • IT WAS SO CYNICAL,AND I THOUGHT TO
  • 00:18:57.301 --> 00:18:58.602
  • AND I THOUGHT TOMYSELF, PEOPLE NEED TO
  • 00:18:58.602 --> 00:18:59.736
  • MYSELF, PEOPLE NEED TOKNOW THE TRUTH.
  • 00:18:59.736 --> 00:19:01.204
  • KNOW THE TRUTH.PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THAT,
  • 00:19:01.204 --> 00:19:02.973
  • PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THAT,IN FACT, HISTORICALLY, IT
  • 00:19:02.973 --> 00:19:05.575
  • IN FACT, HISTORICALLY, ITWAS THE REPUBLICANS THAT
  • 00:19:05.575 --> 00:19:07.544
  • WAS THE REPUBLICANS THATFOUGHT AGAINST SLAVERY.
  • 00:19:07.544 --> 00:19:09.379
  • FOUGHT AGAINST SLAVERY.IT WAS REPUBLICANS THAT
  • 00:19:09.379 --> 00:19:10.414
  • IT WAS REPUBLICANS THATWERE AT THE FOREFRONT OF
  • 00:19:10.414 --> 00:19:11.348
  • WERE AT THE FOREFRONT OFTHESE THINGS.
  • 00:19:11.348 --> 00:19:12.516
  • THESE THINGS.WE'RE NOT TEACHING THIS IN
  • 00:19:12.516 --> 00:19:13.951
  • WE'RE NOT TEACHING THIS INSCHOOLS.
  • 00:19:13.951 --> 00:19:15.552
  • SCHOOLS.THE MEDIA IS NOT TEACHING IT.
  • 00:19:15.552 --> 00:19:16.820
  • THE MEDIA IS NOT TEACHING IT.AND YOU KNOW AND I KNOW--
  • 00:19:16.820 --> 00:19:18.155
  • AND YOU KNOW AND I KNOW--YOU KNOW, YOU'VE WORKED
  • 00:19:18.155 --> 00:19:19.589
  • YOU KNOW, YOU'VE WORKEDWITH TIM SCOTT; I WORK
  • 00:19:19.589 --> 00:19:21.358
  • WITH TIM SCOTT; I WORKWITH SO MANY BLACK
  • 00:19:21.358 --> 00:19:22.492
  • WITH SO MANY BLACKCOLLEAGUES--
  • 00:19:22.492 --> 00:19:23.060
  • COLLEAGUES--THIS IDEA THAT
  • 00:19:23.060 --> 00:19:24.828
  • THIS IDEA THATCONSERVATIVES BEAR
  • 00:19:24.828 --> 00:19:26.530
  • CONSERVATIVES BEARSOME KIND OF RACISM,
  • 00:19:26.530 --> 00:19:28.432
  • SOME KIND OF RACISM,IT'S THE UGLIEST LIE
  • 00:19:28.432 --> 00:19:29.933
  • IT'S THE UGLIEST LIEIN THE WORLD.
  • 00:19:29.933 --> 00:19:31.034
  • IN THE WORLD.THE CHURCH THAT I WENT TO
  • 00:19:31.034 --> 00:19:33.170
  • THE CHURCH THAT I WENT TOWAS SO DIVERSE AND SO
  • 00:19:33.170 --> 00:19:34.071
  • WAS SO DIVERSE AND SOWONDERFUL, AND I THOUGHT,
  • 00:19:34.071 --> 00:19:36.974
  • WONDERFUL, AND I THOUGHT,"WHY IS THE MEDIA ALLOWED
  • 00:19:36.974 --> 00:19:38.608
  • "WHY IS THE MEDIA ALLOWEDTO GET AWAY WITH PUTTING
  • 00:19:38.608 --> 00:19:39.943
  • TO GET AWAY WITH PUTTINGTHIS FORWARD?"
  • 00:19:39.943 --> 00:19:40.811
  • THIS FORWARD?"PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THE
  • 00:19:40.811 --> 00:19:41.278
  • PEOPLE NEED TO KNOW THETRUTH, AND DON'T BE A
  • 00:19:41.278 --> 00:19:43.313
  • TRUTH, AND DON'T BE ASUCKER WHEN YOU VOTE
  • 00:19:43.313 --> 00:19:44.281
  • SUCKER WHEN YOU VOTEBECAUSE WE'VE BEEN SUCKERS
  • 00:19:44.281 --> 00:19:45.349
  • BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN SUCKERSFOR 50 YEARS.
  • 00:19:45.349 --> 00:19:46.650
  • FOR 50 YEARS.IN ANY CASE, SO, TREY,
  • 00:19:46.650 --> 00:19:47.751
  • IN ANY CASE, SO, TREY,WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH
  • 00:19:47.751 --> 00:19:49.386
  • WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITHYOUR LIFE?
  • 00:19:49.386 --> 00:19:50.520
  • YOUR LIFE?YOU KNOW, WE LIKED YOU IN
  • 00:19:50.520 --> 00:19:51.355
  • YOU KNOW, WE LIKED YOU INTHE CONGRESS.
  • 00:19:51.355 --> 00:19:52.155
  • THE CONGRESS.YOU WERE A POWERFUL VOICE
  • 00:19:52.155 --> 00:19:55.025
  • YOU WERE A POWERFUL VOICETHERE.
  • 00:19:55.025 --> 00:19:55.726
  • THERE.WHAT MADE YOU DECIDE TO
  • 00:19:55.726 --> 00:19:58.328
  • WHAT MADE YOU DECIDE TOSTEP OUT AND TO BE DOING
  • 00:19:58.328 --> 00:20:00.497
  • STEP OUT AND TO BE DOINGOTHER THINGS THESE DAYS
  • 00:20:00.497 --> 00:20:00.998
  • OTHER THINGS THESE DAYSLIKE WRITING THIS BOOK,
  • 00:20:00.998 --> 00:20:03.166
  • - TREY: WELL, ERIC, YOU
  • 00:20:04.301 --> 00:20:04.801
  • - TREY: WELL, ERIC, YOUWERE KIND ENOUGH TO HAVE
  • 00:20:04.801 --> 00:20:05.769
  • WERE KIND ENOUGH TO HAVETIM SCOTT AND I ON YOUR
  • 00:20:05.769 --> 00:20:06.636
  • TIM SCOTT AND I ON YOURSHOW, AND WE'RE VERY
  • 00:20:06.636 --> 00:20:08.472
  • SHOW, AND WE'RE VERYGRATEFUL TO YOU FOR THAT.
  • 00:20:08.472 --> 00:20:09.840
  • GRATEFUL TO YOU FOR THAT.A COUPLE YEARS AGO,
  • 00:20:09.840 --> 00:20:10.374
  • A COUPLE YEARS AGO,TIMMY AND I WROTE A BOOK
  • 00:20:10.374 --> 00:20:11.541
  • TIMMY AND I WROTE A BOOKTOGETHER, AND HE'S THE
  • 00:20:11.541 --> 00:20:12.542
  • TOGETHER, AND HE'S THEREASON-- REALLY, HE'S THE
  • 00:20:12.542 --> 00:20:14.811
  • REASON-- REALLY, HE'S THEIMPETUS BEHIND ME WRITING
  • 00:20:14.811 --> 00:20:15.679
  • IMPETUS BEHIND ME WRITINGTHIS ONE.
  • 00:20:15.679 --> 00:20:16.246
  • THIS ONE.WE WANTED TO WRITE ANOTHER
  • 00:20:16.246 --> 00:20:16.913
  • WE WANTED TO WRITE ANOTHERONE TOGETHER, BUT HE'S SO
  • 00:20:16.913 --> 00:20:17.848
  • ONE TOGETHER, BUT HE'S SOOPTIMISTIC, AND I'M SO
  • 00:20:17.848 --> 00:20:18.915
  • OPTIMISTIC, AND I'M SOCYNICAL.
  • 00:20:18.915 --> 00:20:22.052
  • SO HE WROTE A BOOK ABOUT
  • 00:20:23.086 --> 00:20:23.887
  • SO HE WROTE A BOOK ABOUTTHE STORY OF HIS LIFE,
  • 00:20:23.887 --> 00:20:25.922
  • THE STORY OF HIS LIFE,AND HE PERSUADED ME
  • 00:20:25.922 --> 00:20:26.723
  • AND HE PERSUADED MEHE SAID, "TREY, WRITE WHAT
  • 00:20:26.723 --> 00:20:27.657
  • HE SAID, "TREY, WRITE WHATYOU'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT,
  • 00:20:27.657 --> 00:20:28.892
  • YOU'RE PASSIONATE ABOUT,HOW TO PERSUADE."
  • 00:20:28.892 --> 00:20:30.627
  • HOW TO PERSUADE."I APPRECIATE WHAT
  • 00:20:30.627 --> 00:20:31.695
  • I APPRECIATE WHATYOU SAID ABOUT MY
  • 00:20:31.695 --> 00:20:32.796
  • YOU SAID ABOUT MYTIME IN CONGRESS.
  • 00:20:32.796 --> 00:20:34.164
  • TIME IN CONGRESS.I DID NOT PERCEIVE MYSELF
  • 00:20:34.164 --> 00:20:36.433
  • I DID NOT PERCEIVE MYSELFAS BEING GOOD AT THAT JOB,
  • 00:20:36.433 --> 00:20:38.668
  • AS BEING GOOD AT THAT JOB,AND I DID NOT LIKE IT.
  • 00:20:38.668 --> 00:20:40.270
  • AND I DID NOT LIKE IT.I WAS CONSTANTLY THINKING
  • 00:20:40.270 --> 00:20:43.407
  • AND I'M PROBABLY OLDER
  • 00:20:44.441 --> 00:20:45.375
  • AND I'M PROBABLY OLDERTHAN YOU ARE, ERIC, BUT
  • 00:20:45.375 --> 00:20:46.910
  • THAN YOU ARE, ERIC, BUTABOUT TWO-THIRDS OF MY
  • 00:20:46.910 --> 00:20:47.978
  • ABOUT TWO-THIRDS OF MYLIFE IS IN THE REARVIEW
  • 00:20:47.978 --> 00:20:49.046
  • LIFE IS IN THE REARVIEWMIRROR, AND I GOT ABOUT A
  • 00:20:49.046 --> 00:20:50.213
  • MIRROR, AND I GOT ABOUT AONE-THIRD IN THE
  • 00:20:50.213 --> 00:20:51.281
  • ONE-THIRD IN THEWINDSHIELD, AND I GOTTA
  • 00:20:51.281 --> 00:20:52.916
  • WINDSHIELD, AND I GOTTAFIGURE OUT HOW I WANNA
  • 00:20:52.916 --> 00:20:53.650
  • FIGURE OUT HOW I WANNASPEND THAT ONE-THIRD, AND,
  • 00:20:53.650 --> 00:20:55.285
  • SPEND THAT ONE-THIRD, AND,YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN
  • 00:20:55.285 --> 00:20:56.219
  • YOU KNOW, I'VE BEENMARRIED 31 YEARS TO A
  • 00:20:56.219 --> 00:20:57.254
  • MARRIED 31 YEARS TO ASCHOOLTEACHER, AND WE HAVE
  • 00:20:57.254 --> 00:20:58.555
  • SCHOOLTEACHER, AND WE HAVETWO CHILDREN.
  • 00:20:58.555 --> 00:20:59.456
  • TWO CHILDREN.MY PARENTS ARE STILL ALIVE
  • 00:20:59.456 --> 00:21:02.025
  • MY PARENTS ARE STILL ALIVEAND IN GOOD HEALTH.
  • 00:21:02.025 --> 00:21:02.926
  • AND IN GOOD HEALTH.I JUST DID NOT THINK D.C.
  • 00:21:02.926 --> 00:21:05.262
  • I JUST DID NOT THINK D.C.WAS THE BEST USE OF
  • 00:21:05.262 --> 00:21:06.129
  • WAS THE BEST USE OFMY TIME, SO I LEFT,
  • 00:21:06.129 --> 00:21:08.131
  • MY TIME, SO I LEFT,UNINDICTED AND UNDEFEATED.
  • 00:21:08.131 --> 00:21:09.900
  • UNINDICTED AND UNDEFEATED.NOBODY RAN ME OFF.
  • 00:21:09.900 --> 00:21:11.268
  • NOBODY RAN ME OFF.I WASN'T GONNA LOSE.
  • 00:21:11.268 --> 00:21:12.335
  • I WASN'T GONNA LOSE.I JUST DECIDED I WANNA DO
  • 00:21:12.335 --> 00:21:13.703
  • I JUST DECIDED I WANNA DOSOMETHING ELSE.
  • 00:21:13.703 --> 00:21:14.171
  • SOMETHING ELSE.- ERIC: WHAT ARE THE
  • 00:21:14.171 --> 00:21:15.072
  • - ERIC: WHAT ARE THETHINGS YOU WANNA DO?
  • 00:21:15.072 --> 00:21:15.772
  • THINGS YOU WANNA DO?OBVIOUSLY, YOU WANNA SPEND
  • 00:21:15.772 --> 00:21:17.441
  • OBVIOUSLY, YOU WANNA SPENDTIME WITH YOUR FAMILY AND
  • 00:21:17.441 --> 00:21:19.609
  • TIME WITH YOUR FAMILY ANDYOUR FOLKS WHO-- THANK THE
  • 00:21:19.609 --> 00:21:21.812
  • WHAT ARE THE OTHER KINDS
  • 00:21:22.846 --> 00:21:23.747
  • WHAT ARE THE OTHER KINDSOF THINGS YOU
  • 00:21:23.747 --> 00:21:24.347
  • OF THINGS YOUWANNA BE DOING?
  • 00:21:24.347 --> 00:21:26.383
  • WANNA BE DOING?I HOPE YOU WANNA STAY
  • 00:21:26.383 --> 00:21:29.052
  • I HOPE YOU WANNA STAYACTIVE BY BEING A VOICE IN
  • 00:21:29.052 --> 00:21:30.053
  • ACTIVE BY BEING A VOICE INTHE MEDIA 'CAUSE I THINK
  • 00:21:30.053 --> 00:21:31.455
  • THE MEDIA 'CAUSE I THINKWE NEED YOUR VOICE, BUT
  • 00:21:31.455 --> 00:21:32.055
  • WE NEED YOUR VOICE, BUTWHAT ARE SOME OF THE
  • 00:21:32.055 --> 00:21:32.823
  • WHAT ARE SOME OF THETHINGS THAT YOU'D
  • 00:21:32.823 --> 00:21:34.224
  • THINGS THAT YOU'DLIKE TO DO?
  • 00:21:34.224 --> 00:21:35.592
  • LIKE TO DO?- TREY: I PRACTICE LAW.
  • 00:21:35.592 --> 00:21:36.626
  • - TREY: I PRACTICE LAW.I'M WITH A LAW FIRM.
  • 00:21:36.626 --> 00:21:38.995
  • I'M WITH A LAW FIRM.I HAVE, KIND OF,
  • 00:21:38.995 --> 00:21:41.631
  • I HAVE, KIND OF,A LITIGATION-- A CRIMINAL
  • 00:21:41.631 --> 00:21:42.499
  • A LITIGATION-- A CRIMINALINVESTIGATION-CENTERED
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  • INVESTIGATION-CENTEREDPRACTICE.
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  • PRACTICE.WRITING THIS BOOK, AS YOU
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  • WRITING THIS BOOK, AS YOUKNOW, IS TIME-CONSUMING.
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  • KNOW, IS TIME-CONSUMING.I MEAN, YOU'VE WRITTEN
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  • I MEAN, YOU'VE WRITTENMORE BOOKS THAN I'VE READ,
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  • MORE BOOKS THAN I'VE READ,SO I DON'T KNOW WHY I'M
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  • SO I DON'T KNOW WHY I'MTELLING YOU THAT WRITING
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  • TELLING YOU THAT WRITINGBOOKS IS TIME-CONSUMING.
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  • I GAVE A LOT OF SPEECHES
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  • I GAVE A LOT OF SPEECHESIN THE PRE-PANDEMIC WORLD,
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  • IN THE PRE-PANDEMIC WORLD,MOST OF WHICH HAVE NOTHING
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  • MOST OF WHICH HAVE NOTHINGTO DO WITH POLITICS.
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  • ABOUT HOW TO BE
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  • ABOUT HOW TO BEPERSUASIVE, ABOUT HOW TO
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  • PERSUASIVE, ABOUT HOW TOFIND SOMETHING BIGGER THAN
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  • FIND SOMETHING BIGGER THANYOURSELF TO DEVOTE YOUR
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  • YOURSELF TO DEVOTE YOURENERGIES TO.
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  • ENERGIES TO.SO LAW, SPEAKING, A LITTLE
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  • SO LAW, SPEAKING, A LITTLEBIT OF TELEVISION WHEN
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  • BIT OF TELEVISION WHENTHEY CAN'T FIND A BETTER
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  • THEY CAN'T FIND A BETTERPERSON TO GO ON.
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  • PERSON TO GO ON.I'M BUSIER THAN I'VE EVER
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  • I'M BUSIER THAN I'VE EVERBEEN BEFORE, AND THE MIX
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  • I LIKE HAVING DIFFERENT
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  • I LIKE HAVING DIFFERENTTHINGS TO LOOK FORWARD TO.
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  • THINGS TO LOOK FORWARD TO.- ERIC: TREY GOWDY, JUST
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  • - ERIC: TREY GOWDY, JUSTALWAYS A JOY TO SEE YOU
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  • ALWAYS A JOY TO SEE YOUAND SPEAK WITH YOU.
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  • AND SPEAK WITH YOU.CONGRATULATIONS ON THE BOOK
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  • CONGRATULATIONS ON THE BOOK"DOESN'T HURT TO ASK."
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  • "DOESN'T HURT TO ASK."THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.
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  • THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.- TREY: THANK YOU, ERIC.
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  • - TREY: THANK YOU, ERIC.TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF.
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  • TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF.[POPPING SOUND]
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  • [POPPING SOUND]♪ WE GONNA TAKE IT ♪
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  • ♪ WE GONNA TAKE IT ♪♪ GONNA TAKE IT ♪
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  • ♪ GONNA TAKE IT ♪♪ GONNA TAKE IT ♪
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  • ♪ GONNA TAKE IT ♪♪ GONNA TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪
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  • ♪ GONNA TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪♪ I'M GONNA ♪
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  • ♪ I'M GONNA ♪♪ TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪
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  • ♪ TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪♪ I'M GONNA ♪
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  • ♪ I'M GONNA ♪♪ TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪
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  • ♪ TAKE IT TO THE TOP ♪♪ I'M GONNA ♪
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