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Jason Sobel & Emily Hutchinson: Tisha B'Av | God's Appointed Times

February 24, 2026 | S3 E8 | 25:19

Jason Sobel & Emily Hutchinson: Tisha B'Av | God's Appointed Times
God’s Appointed Times is an eight-week journey that explores seven of the most sacred times of the year. The series is led by renowned author and teacher Rabbi Jason Sobel. Raised in a traditional Jewish home, Rabbi Jason has seen the beauty of the biblical Jewish holidays from the perspective of Judaism. After a tangible encounter with Jesus, Rabbi Jason dedicated his life to Messiah. Rabbi now helps believers across the world reconnect to the Jewish roots of their faith.
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God's Appointed Times with Rabbi Jason Sobel | Jason Sobel & Emily Hutchinson: Tisha B'Av | God's Appointed Times | February 24, 2026
  • Tisha b'av is the most solemn day on the jewish calendar.
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  • This holiday commemorates some of the most painful events in
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  • The history of god's people.
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  • It's a day of fasting, remembrance, and respect,
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  • But i believe there is more to uncover.
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  • Tisha b'av may be the key to unlocking the prophetic
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  • Messages for the world we're living in today.
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  • I want to share this message for america, for israel, and
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  • For all people.
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  • I'm rabbi jason sobel, and this is god's appointed times.
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  • ♪♪
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  • Tisha b'av in hebrew means the ninth day of the month of the
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  • Month of av on the jewish calendar.
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  • This day is significant.
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  • On this day, multiple tragic events took place.
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  • These shaped and changed the landscape of the world in the
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  • Lives of the jewish people.
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  • On the evening of the ninth of av, it is traditional to read
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  • The book of lamentations
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  • Written by the prophet jeremiah.
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  • Once, as i was reading the first chapter, the following
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  • Jumped out at me.
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  • She did not consider her future.
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  • Her demise was astonishing.
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  • There was no one to comfort her,
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  • Lamentations 1:9.
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  • Israel didn't reflect upon her
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  • Future, and it led to her demise.
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  • She did not heed the prophets like jeremiah who got it sent.
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  • They did not heed the torah.
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  • Tisha b'av is a time of tragedy and mourning.
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  • It was on this day, the ninth of av of tisha b'av, that the 12
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  • Spies moses had sent into the land returned after 40 days
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  • With an evil report, and the jewish people cried in despair.
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  • Once they heard it, they gave up hope of entering the
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  • Landof israel. under nebuchadnezzar,
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  • The first temple was destroyed on this day.
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  • About 100,000 jews were killed.
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  • The remaining were exiled to babylon and persia. under titus,
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  • The second temple was destroyed on this very same day in 70 ad,
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  • And over 2,500,000 jewish people
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  • Died as a result of war, famine, and disease.
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  • Over 1 million were exiled to all parts of the roman empire.
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  • More than 100,000 jews were sold to slaves.
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  • Jews were tortured and killed
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  • In gladiatorial games and pagan celebrations,
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  • Yet the focus is not primarily meant to be on the past.
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  • We remember these events in order to transform our present
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  • And shape our future.
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  • It is no coincidence
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  • On the ninth of av so many disasters occurred.
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  • Nine in hebrew is written with the hebrew letter tet.
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  • Tet is written in the shape of a womb.
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  • Think about it for a moment.
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  • This makes sense.
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  • There are nine months in the
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  • Length of a full term pregnancy.
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  • In jewish tradition, the messiah would be born on the
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  • Ninth of av.
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  • I don't take this literally, but as a spiritual principle,
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  • It is powerful.
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  • God births triumph out of tragedy.
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  • Messiah's death caused intense mourning by his disciples.
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  • It seemed tragic, but god caused it to be
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  • Transformed into joy.
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  • There is a prophetic promise attached to the ninth of av and
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  • Prescribed in the biblical fast days.
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  • Zechariah 8:19 thus says adonai, the lord of hosts,
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  • The fast of the fourth, the fast of the fifth, the fast of
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  • The seventh, and the fast of the 10th month will become joy,
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  • Gladness, and cheerful -- appointed times.
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  • Therefore love truth, and shalom.
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  • The seeds of life and hope came out of the ashes of loss.
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  • The seeds of life and hope came out of the ashes of loss.
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  • I'm emily hutchinson.
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  • I'm a tv-- mm-hmm.
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  • [laughter]
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  • I'm emily hutchinson, and i am a cookbook author.
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  • I am a tv competition judge.
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  • And-- this isn't good. i don't like it.
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  • I am an author, baker, and tv host.
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  • I actually wasn't raised in a christian home, so i actually
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  • Really didn't know very much
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  • About jesus until after i got saved.
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  • Learning about the stories and the wisdom and the traditions
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  • Is so valuable to me as a christian, because it
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  • Solidifies how good god is, how big god is, and everything that
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  • I'm learning and everything that i'm knowing, it just
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  • Brings it all together in this beautiful package.
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  • So excited to have you here today and to be able to have
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  • This conversation with you.
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  • Though i am a little disappointed because i have
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  • Seen your instagram page and i know you are an incredible
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  • Baker and there are no cookies.
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  • There's no cookies.
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  • There's no cookies. shoot.
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  • But that's okay.
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  • Next time.
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  • Next time, i'm bringing cookies.
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  • Next time, for sure next time.
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  • So we're talking about a really serious topic, tisha b'av, the
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  • Ninth of av, a day of tragedy in jewish history.
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  • And i know that you've gone through some personal tragedies
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  • In your own life.
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  • You have had quite an adventure and an incredible story of what
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  • God has done.
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  • You know, how have you faced those tragedies and those tough
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  • Moments in your own life?
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  • Anything you want to share?
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  • Yeah. you know, um, the biggest tragedy that i went through in
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  • My life is our daughter passed away in 2008, and she was two
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  • And a half months old.
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  • We were completely broken in the pit of despair, and i
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  • Didn't know god at the time.
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  • I didn't have a close relationship with him.
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  • I didn't have anything to lean on.
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  • And so my husband and i struggled really bad, and
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  • Friends of ours noticed how bad we were struggling, and they
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  • Invited us to church.
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  • And we got saved and our life started to change.
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  • And when you experience the power of god in your life, you--
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  • When you go through--
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  • Ever since i was saved, ever since i lost my daughter and i
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  • Went through that hard thing and coming out of it, being
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  • Saved, any tragedy that's been thrown my way since, i cling to
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  • God and and he always gets me through it.
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  • And so it's one of those things that you don't know what you
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  • Don't know, right?
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  • I didn't know him then, and so i drank.
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  • My husband drank after jenny died.
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  • And so things just really changed.
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  • You know, my life after after i found god and nothing
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  • Has been the same.
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  • The way i handle situations is not the same.
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  • Um, i just have so much more,
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  • I want to say-- what's the word?
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  • Compassion, understanding, love for people going through the
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  • Hardest thing that a person, a family, a mother, a father
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  • Could ever go through.
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  • When you go through a tragedy like that, your heart is so
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  • Much softer for people because we go through really hard
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  • Things in life.
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  • And so, you know, i just really look to god.
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  • I read my bible.
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  • Um, i go through scripture to
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  • Kind of give me a little bit of hope
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  • You know, when i'm going through a hard time.
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  • So, um, recently i just went through a really hard time with
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  • My son, and he was in the hospital with appendicitis,
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  • And he almost died.
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  • And the whole time i was praying and i was like, lord,
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  • I trust you.
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  • And i just was like, god,
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  • Protect my son, protect my family.
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  • And in the hospital room there was evil in the hospital.
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  • And i saw a shadow come off the wall at 3:00 in the morning.
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  • And right away i was like, i
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  • Rebuke you in the name of jesus.
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  • And i stood over my son's body and he was dying.
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  • I stood over my son's body and i was praying everything
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  • I knew how to pray.
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  • And i was just like, god, protect him.
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  • This evil needs to leave.
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  • And it did.
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  • The evil left.
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  • And then the next day he started getting better,
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  • Miraculously getting better.
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  • And it wasn't just because of
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  • That, it was everybody's prayers.
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  • It was everybody around us praying.
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  • And so i pray through tragedy.
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  • I cling to the lord through tragedy.
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  • That is my, um--
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  • That is my line of defense.
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  • Wow.
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  • Yeah.
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  • I so appreciate you sharing that.
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  • I think it's so powerful, you know, and so significant.
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  • And what i love about what you shared is how you didn't stay
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  • Stuck in the tragedy.
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  • Yeah.
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  • But you were over--
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  • You were able to overcome by faith those things that you
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  • Went through.
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  • And i think that ties into with what we're talking about
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  • Because this is a tragic time.
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  • I mean, when you read the account of the destruction of
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  • The first temple, literally, mothers are watching their
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  • Children die before them.
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  • They're eating their children.
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  • I mean, it's indescribable horror that they went through.
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  • But i think the commonality is this is that god wants to
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  • Transform our tragedy into triumph.
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  • Yes.
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  • And even in the midst of the pain, even in the midst of the
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  • Despair, you know. there's still hope in the midst of the
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  • Tragedy that we read about in the book of lamentations that
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  • Is centered around tisha b'av and the pain and suffering and
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  • The destruction of the temple in jerusalem,
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  • Jeremiah says, therefore this i remember and have hope.
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  • The steadfast love of the lord never ceases.
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  • His mercies never come to an end.
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  • Great is his faithfulness.
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  • And when i hear your story, i just see the faithfulness of
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  • God over your life and how you found hope in the midst of what
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  • Could have been a hopeless situation, it's unimaginable
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  • That any parent would have to go through that right.
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  • There's a story that we learn from jewish tradition about a
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  • Wealthy man who had a celebration, and there were two
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  • Individuals in jerusalem.
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  • One was his name was kamsa and one whose name was bar kamsa.
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  • And the wealthy man was friends with kamsa.
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  • And he hated bar kamsa,
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  • And by accident the invitation
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  • Was sent to the guy he despised.
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  • And when he got the invitation, he thought to himself, well,
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  • Maybe he's extending an olive branch.
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  • Maybe he wants to make peace between us,
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  • So i will go to the wedding and show that i'm willing to
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  • Forgive and to forget.
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  • Well, when this wealthy man saw a bar kamsa there, he got
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  • So upset, and he told him that he needed
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  • To leave, that he was not welcome.
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  • And he said, listen, please don't embarrass me.
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  • All of the people that i know are here, all of the
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  • Significant spiritual leaders of jerusalem, all of the
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  • Business people are here.
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  • He said, listen, i'll pay for my portion.
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  • And he said, no.
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  • He said, listen, i will pay for, uh, half of the entire
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  • Wedding if you just let me stay.
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  • And he hated him so much,
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  • He kicked him out, and he was so offended.
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  • And he was so humiliated and shamed, especially because all
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  • These rabbis and religious leaders were there and they
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  • Didn't say anything,
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  • And he thought, well, maybe they must agree with this.
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  • And so because he hated so much because he was so offended, he
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  • Went to the roman authorities who were in control of
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  • Jerusalem and said, hey, the jews are rebelling against you.
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  • And that's what set into motion the roman siege of jerusalem,
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  • The destruction over the temple.
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  • It was all because of an offense and a
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  • Senseless hatred that existed.
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  • And, you know, i think we live in a world today where that
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  • Story is so relevant.
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  • There is so much offense when i turn on social media of people
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  • Getting offended over what this person said or who this person
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  • Supports, and this political party.
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  • Yes. and there's nothing worse than offense because offense
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  • Destroys nations, it destroys marriages, it destroys
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  • Communities, it destroys friendship.
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  • And i just think it's really important that we don't allow
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  • That spirit of offense to seep
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  • In, because it always leads to destruction.
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  • I agree.
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  • And i also feel like if we have that offense in us, it causes a
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  • Dark part of our heart.
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  • And wouldn't you say that there's pride behind that?
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  • And that is a sin.
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  • That's a really big sin.
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  • And so i feel like so--
  • 00:13:57.235 --> 00:14:00.538
  • Like you said, so many people are so offended.
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  • And if we choose to be offended, then we have that
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  • Dark part in our heart.
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  • But if we choose to walk in the light and we choose to, you
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  • Know, maybe show forgiveness, maybe show some compassion,
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  • Some understanding, maybe try to listen to what someone has
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  • To say or their point of view, or why they feel so strongly
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  • About the way that they feel instead of being offended,
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  • Maybe try to listen and show compassion and understanding,
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  • I think that you know us as as followers of god and walking in
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  • The light, that is our
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  • Duty to do that, to show people that.
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  • I've just so enjoyed our time together, and i want to thank
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  • You just for being so real and sharing your story.
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  • It's so, so powerful, and i'm looking forward to exploring a
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  • Little bit more about the roots of tisha b'av, the ninth of av,
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  • What are the roots of the tragedy.
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  • And, you know, god is very intentional.
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  • So i think we have to ask the question of all the days, why
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  • Did all of these terrible things happen on this one day
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  • Of the month?
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  • And what's interesting is that it actually goes back to the
  • 00:15:20.551 --> 00:15:25.022
  • Story of the 12 spies in the bible.
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  • Moses allowed the 12 spies to go into the land, and they came
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  • Back and they brought an evil or a bad report.
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  • They said, hey, the land is good.
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  • It's flowing with milk and honey, but there are giants
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  • In the land, and we're like grasshoppers in their sight.
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  • And there's these huge fortified cities that were
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  • Never going to be able to conquer.
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  • When the people heard the bad report that ten of the 12 spies
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  • Brought it says, they sat down and they wept for no reason.
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  • Right? joshua and caleb tried to convince them it's okay.
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  • There might be giants,
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  • But god has a promise for us.
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  • And that is the night that became the night of tragedy.
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  • Throughout history and jewish tradition says, god said, if
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  • They're going to cry for no reason, this will become a day
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  • That they have reason to cry on.
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  • And so i think it's so important to understand that
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  • The tragedy of the destruction of the first house of god, the
  • 00:16:26.183 --> 00:16:30.621
  • Second house of god, all these things tied to the holocaust
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  • And all these different things throughout jewish history, tie
  • 00:16:35.393 --> 00:16:38.796
  • Back to that sin of the spies and to that bad report, because
  • 00:16:38.796 --> 00:16:44.402
  • It can really be summed up by
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  • One thing they chose fear over faith.
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  • Faith will propel us into our future, but fear will rob us
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  • Of our promise.
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  • Fear will rob us of our destiny.
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  • Have you seen that in your own life, with any struggles, for
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  • Fear that have tried to keep you from fulfilling the call of
  • 00:17:04.889 --> 00:17:08.159
  • God on your life?
  • 00:17:08.159 --> 00:17:09.760
  • Oh my gosh. just recently. i had talked
  • 00:17:09.760 --> 00:17:13.531
  • About my son was in the hospital.
  • 00:17:13.531 --> 00:17:16.333
  • Talk about the most scary time of your life, especially when
  • 00:17:16.333 --> 00:17:19.336
  • You've already buried a child.
  • 00:17:19.336 --> 00:17:21.105
  • So that fear that was running through my head and my heart,
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  • It was--
  • 00:17:25.810 --> 00:17:26.811
  • It could have swallowed me whole if i were--
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  • If i were to grab on to that fear and run with that fear, i
  • 00:17:28.913 --> 00:17:33.451
  • Wouldn't have been able to stand up to an evil spirit and
  • 00:17:33.451 --> 00:17:36.520
  • Pray over my son's body.
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  • I wouldn't have had that sense that god has given me to be
  • 00:17:37.822 --> 00:17:41.659
  • Able to tap into, to be able to save my son.
  • 00:17:41.659 --> 00:17:44.395
  • So in that moment, in that hospital, it was a scary, one
  • 00:17:44.395 --> 00:17:46.764
  • Of the scariest moments of my life.
  • 00:17:46.764 --> 00:17:48.432
  • The fear that was running through my head,
  • 00:17:48.432 --> 00:17:51.268
  • It could have completely stopped my son's recovery.
  • 00:17:51.268 --> 00:17:55.673
  • Part of the reason why the children of israel had that
  • 00:17:55.673 --> 00:17:59.143
  • Fear was because they had suffered generations of trauma
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  • In egypt, and they couldn't move past the trauma, the hurtsm
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  • And the pain.
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  • And they kept wanting to go back to egypt.
  • 00:18:12.890 --> 00:18:15.626
  • In a sense, they were stuck in that place of trauma, in that
  • 00:18:15.626 --> 00:18:21.599
  • Place of hurt.
  • 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:23.467
  • And it's so easy for us to go back to that place.
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  • And you could have gone back.
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  • Absolutely. right?
  • 00:18:28.739 --> 00:18:29.974
  • Oh my gosh.
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  • The ptsd that i have from what i went through with my
  • 00:18:31.175 --> 00:18:35.112
  • Daughter, i easily could have laid over and been like,
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  • Fear, take over.
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  • And then i wouldn't have been able to step in for my son.
  • 00:18:39.183 --> 00:18:41.485
  • You're exactly right.
  • 00:18:41.485 --> 00:18:42.553
  • It's such a beautiful point.
  • 00:18:42.553 --> 00:18:43.687
  • Yeah. you chose to not get stuck.
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  • You chose not to go back to egypt.
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  • You chose to move over.
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  • Move forward.
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  • You chose not to go the way of the ten spies, but you chose to
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  • Go to the way of the two faithful, which was faith,
  • 00:18:54.932 --> 00:18:58.135
  • Which was joshua and caleb.
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  • And they're like, hey, it doesn't matter that there are
  • 00:18:59.703 --> 00:19:02.673
  • Giants in the land.
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  • We're not the grasshoppers.
  • 00:19:04.108 --> 00:19:06.076
  • Yeah, right.
  • 00:19:06.076 --> 00:19:06.810
  • Right. because when fear will
  • 00:19:06.810 --> 00:19:07.878
  • Make us feel like small and insignificant--
  • 00:19:07.878 --> 00:19:11.348
  • It does. you know, and--
  • 00:19:11.348 --> 00:19:12.449
  • Makes you feel weak. yeah.
  • 00:19:12.449 --> 00:19:13.951
  • And it will leave us as destroyed as the temple.
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  • It will destroy us emotionally.
  • 00:19:16.887 --> 00:19:18.789
  • It will destroy the promises of god for our life.
  • 00:19:18.789 --> 00:19:22.626
  • And i think one of the things that we don't often understand
  • 00:19:22.626 --> 00:19:27.631
  • About fear is that fear is not just the opposite of faith.
  • 00:19:27.631 --> 00:19:32.503
  • Fear is actually a form of faith.
  • 00:19:32.503 --> 00:19:35.639
  • It is a false faith because
  • 00:19:35.639 --> 00:19:39.443
  • Both fear and faith demand fulfillment.
  • 00:19:39.443 --> 00:19:42.713
  • Faith in the positive fear and the negative is kind of
  • 00:19:42.713 --> 00:19:45.649
  • Like what we read.
  • 00:19:45.649 --> 00:19:47.017
  • You know, the thing you have feared has come upon you.
  • 00:19:47.017 --> 00:19:50.487
  • Or in modern psychology, a self-fulfilling prophecy.
  • 00:19:50.487 --> 00:19:54.658
  • Yeah, right.
  • 00:19:54.658 --> 00:19:55.926
  • You believe the thing that is so bad, and even though it's
  • 00:19:55.926 --> 00:19:58.395
  • Not real, you eventually becomes real because you just
  • 00:19:58.395 --> 00:20:02.399
  • Believe it to be real.
  • 00:20:02.399 --> 00:20:03.667
  • And everything in your life operates in that direction and
  • 00:20:03.667 --> 00:20:06.303
  • It becomes a reality for you.
  • 00:20:06.303 --> 00:20:08.472
  • And so we have to make a
  • 00:20:08.472 --> 00:20:10.207
  • Decision because fear will imprison.
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  • Faith will propel us.
  • 00:20:12.843 --> 00:20:14.945
  • Fear blinds us.
  • 00:20:14.945 --> 00:20:16.580
  • Faith gives us vision to be able to see the future, you
  • 00:20:16.580 --> 00:20:21.518
  • Know, and i think we have to make that decision of which we
  • 00:20:21.518 --> 00:20:24.488
  • Are going to choose.
  • 00:20:24.488 --> 00:20:26.924
  • And, you know, i think it's so important, especially in this
  • 00:20:26.924 --> 00:20:30.961
  • Season, because when i look in the world and i think about
  • 00:20:30.961 --> 00:20:35.799
  • Tisha b'av, we have to understand is that fear is
  • 00:20:35.799 --> 00:20:40.704
  • Rooted in lies. yeah.
  • 00:20:40.704 --> 00:20:42.606
  • When we believe the lies, we empower the lie.
  • 00:20:42.606 --> 00:20:45.976
  • When we believe the lies, we empower the liar.
  • 00:20:45.976 --> 00:20:49.613
  • When the children of israel believe the lies of the spies,
  • 00:20:49.613 --> 00:20:52.816
  • It caused that whole generation to die in the wilderness.
  • 00:20:52.816 --> 00:20:57.087
  • So fear is fed by lies and lies that is fed by fear
  • 00:20:57.087 --> 00:21:04.194
  • Ultimately leads to hate.
  • 00:21:04.194 --> 00:21:06.130
  • And i see that going on in our culture today.
  • 00:21:06.130 --> 00:21:08.499
  • There's the politics of fear.
  • 00:21:08.499 --> 00:21:11.568
  • There is fear rooted in these lies on social media, media
  • 00:21:11.568 --> 00:21:15.272
  • That are literally getting people to hate one another.
  • 00:21:15.272 --> 00:21:17.574
  • Yes. it was the coolest thing to
  • 00:21:17.574 --> 00:21:21.945
  • Sit down with rabbi jason today
  • 00:21:21.945 --> 00:21:23.480
  • Because i got to really learn more about the jewish community
  • 00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:28.552
  • And some jewish traditions
  • 00:21:28.552 --> 00:21:31.155
  • That i had no idea about, and some things in
  • 00:21:31.155 --> 00:21:34.491
  • Hebrew that i didn't know about.
  • 00:21:34.491 --> 00:21:35.959
  • And so it kind of stirred a hunger inside of me to do some
  • 00:21:35.959 --> 00:21:39.797
  • More research and to learn more about things that i don't know
  • 00:21:39.797 --> 00:21:42.566
  • About, but i am genuinely very interested in learning more.
  • 00:21:42.566 --> 00:21:46.004
  • About, but i am genuinely very interested in learning more.
  • 00:21:46.004 --> 00:21:47.605
  • Offense creates fences.
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  • Deuteronomy is read before the ninth of av. why? a lot of the
  • 00:21:50.975 --> 00:21:55.780
  • Events of the ninth of av originate with the story
  • 00:21:55.780 --> 00:21:58.817
  • Of the 12 spies.
  • 00:21:58.817 --> 00:22:01.019
  • When the children of israel saw the giants in the land, ten of
  • 00:22:01.019 --> 00:22:05.123
  • Their spies got scared and gave into fear.
  • 00:22:05.123 --> 00:22:08.293
  • They wouldn't trust god and turned around to run back to
  • 00:22:08.293 --> 00:22:12.831
  • What they perceived as safety.
  • 00:22:12.831 --> 00:22:15.567
  • Why does this matter
  • 00:22:15.567 --> 00:22:17.035
  • In connection to tisha b'av?
  • 00:22:17.035 --> 00:22:19.904
  • Senseless hatred is rooted in fear, and fear is fed by lies.
  • 00:22:19.904 --> 00:22:25.844
  • We overcome fear by faith, lies by the truth, and senseless hate
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  • By gratuitous love.
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  • This is the prophetic message for today.
  • 00:22:34.853 --> 00:22:38.423
  • Let's go back to the beginning of the story, to the story of
  • 00:22:38.423 --> 00:22:42.193
  • Cain and abel.
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  • And the lord said to cain, where is your brother abel?
  • 00:22:43.561 --> 00:22:47.332
  • And he said, i don't know,
  • 00:22:47.332 --> 00:22:49.768
  • As in i don't know.
  • 00:22:49.768 --> 00:22:51.236
  • Am i my brother's keeper?
  • 00:22:51.236 --> 00:22:53.138
  • Cain's murder of abel was the first act of senseless hatred
  • 00:22:53.138 --> 00:22:57.709
  • Recorded in scripture.
  • 00:22:57.709 --> 00:22:59.611
  • Let me share a story from jewish history and show you
  • 00:22:59.611 --> 00:23:03.415
  • What set the destruction of god's house in motion.
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  • The wise man, his eyes are in
  • 00:23:07.385 --> 00:23:09.654
  • His head, but the fool walks in darkness.
  • 00:23:09.654 --> 00:23:13.625
  • Rashi, the famous medieval commentator, interprets his
  • 00:23:13.625 --> 00:23:17.729
  • Eyes are in his head to mean in the beginning of the matter,
  • 00:23:17.729 --> 00:23:21.499
  • He foresees the outcome.
  • 00:23:21.499 --> 00:23:24.302
  • In jewish tradition, the rabbis asked each other, how can
  • 00:23:24.302 --> 00:23:28.173
  • Someone know the future of a thing?
  • 00:23:28.173 --> 00:23:30.408
  • Obviously, we know the rabbis weren't talking about prophetic
  • 00:23:30.408 --> 00:23:35.113
  • Or psychic abilities, so what did they mean?
  • 00:23:35.113 --> 00:23:38.416
  • One of the best predictors of future outcomes is past results
  • 00:23:38.416 --> 00:23:43.655
  • Based upon past action.
  • 00:23:43.655 --> 00:23:46.057
  • You can't accurately consider the future without reflecting
  • 00:23:46.057 --> 00:23:51.062
  • On the past.
  • 00:23:51.062 --> 00:23:52.597
  • The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and
  • 00:23:52.597 --> 00:23:56.668
  • Expecting a different result.
  • 00:23:56.668 --> 00:23:59.170
  • Tisha b'av is a warning.
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  • It's a message.
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  • And it's very prophetic, both for america and for israel.
  • 00:24:03.074 --> 00:24:08.179
  • We all need to learn the root causes of the tragedies of this
  • 00:24:08.179 --> 00:24:12.817
  • Day, as part of considering the future, so that we don't face
  • 00:24:12.817 --> 00:24:17.388
  • The demise, just like ancient judah and jerusalem did.
  • 00:24:17.388 --> 00:24:21.826
  • Again, why was the second temple destroyed?
  • 00:24:21.826 --> 00:24:25.530
  • Hate rooted in fear and a fear that is rooted in lies.
  • 00:24:25.530 --> 00:24:32.270
  • This ties back to the foundational historical root of
  • 00:24:32.270 --> 00:24:36.741
  • Tisha b'av, the ninth of av, a day of tragedy.
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  • As we read in lamentations 1:9,
  • 00:24:41.779 --> 00:24:43.948
  • She did not consider her future.
  • 00:24:43.948 --> 00:24:46.784
  • Her demise was astonishing.
  • 00:24:46.784 --> 00:24:49.287
  • There was no one to comfort her.
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  • Adonai, see my affliction, for the enemy has triumphed.
  • 00:24:51.789 --> 00:24:56.528
  • When we use the power of wisdom, foresight and truth,
  • 00:24:56.528 --> 00:25:00.798
  • We can fight the lies of the enemy.
  • 00:25:00.798 --> 00:25:04.335
  • We can keep the spirit of offense from wrecking our
  • 00:25:04.335 --> 00:25:07.539
  • Personal lives and tearing apart our communities.
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  • This is the message that tisha b'av teaches us.
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  • I'm rabbi jason sobel, and this is god's appointed times.
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