Greg Laurie - The Greg Laurie Show Podcast with Marco Rubio

December 7, 2025 | 29:0

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Harvest with Pastor Greg Laurie | Greg Laurie - The Greg Laurie Show Podcast with Marco Rubio | December 7, 2025

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Marco rubio: what are the atoms?
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What is the basic structures of--structural blocks of a
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Society and of a country?
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And if you begin to think about what it is, it's actually
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Communities built by families and homes.
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So i always tell people the most important thing and i'm--that
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Happens in our country is not what happens in the white house.
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It's what happens in your house.
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♪ this is the day, ♪
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♪ the day when life begins. ♪
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♪ this is the day, ♪
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♪ the day when life begins. ♪♪
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Greg laurie: greg laurie here in our nation's capital, washington
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D.c., and i'm in the state department.
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And this is a very important building with the staff that
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Serves our nation, and it is directed by our secretary of
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State marco rubio.
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And so i met secretary rubio over ten years ago when he was
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Then senator rubio, and he came to a couple's conference i was
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Speaking at and someone said, "would you like to meet
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Marco rubio?"
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They didn't say senator marco rubio.
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I thought, "wow, someone with the same name as a
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Well-known senator."
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Well, it turned out to be one and the same, and we got to know
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Marco and his wife jeanette.
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So i had the unique honor to just sit down with secretary of
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State marco rubio and talk about his role--his pivotal role that
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He is playing in our nation right now.
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So join me now for this special sit-down talk with secretary of
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State marco rubio.
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Greg: mr. secretary, thanks for taking the time to talk a little
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Bit, and congratulations on this incredible, historic achievement
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Of finally getting the hostages freed.
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And i was watching on television when the president at the
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Knesset, and you were there with him in israel, said of you that
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You're the greatest secretary of state in history.
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What went through your mind when he made--
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Marco: well, look, the president's great about that
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Stuff and i'm grateful to him, but really the credit for that
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Deal and so many other things belongs with him.
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I mean, he did things--and i've said this.
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I've sort of alluded to it.
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Maybe one day the story will be told.
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One day history will provide the details of how this came about
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And how this was possible, but i assure you the president did
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Some extraordinary things that he had to do to make
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This happen.
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And then we had a great team on the ground over there.
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I mean, steve witkoff and jared kushner deserve a tremendous
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Amount of credit for sort of carrying out and executing on
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The president's plan with regards to this, and obviously
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I'm blessed and grateful to be a part of it and we--you know,
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Over time, and perhaps you've had the chance to do this too,
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We've met a lot of those families.
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A lot of those families that we saw the videos are people we've
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Met with four, five, six times in the depths of this.
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There were months where frankly i doubted whether they were ever
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Gonna see their loved ones again.
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I mean, it was a real question about whether that was
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Gonna happen.
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So to be able to watch video of these people that i've met with,
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Some of them as recently as six days before--they were here in
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Washington on the 7th of october.
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To be able to see those people on television reuniting with
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Their loved ones just six days later was--it's one of those
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Things that i think you can serve in a place like this for a
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Very long time and few people get a chance to be a part of a
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Day as historic as that.
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Now, that said, there's a lot of work to be done to sustain this,
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But the one thing that's irreversible is that those
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Hostages are back with their families.
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Greg: we were in israel not long ago, and we raised money to buy
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A bulletproof ambulance to give to the state of israel, because
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That says it all, they need a bulletproof ambulance,
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Effectively a tank that brings medical care for people.
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And i met one of the mothers of the hostages, and the anguish in
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Her face.
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And i pray and trust that her son was one of the ones that
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Finally did get released.
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We met over ten years ago, and we
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Were at a couple's conference.
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Marco: yeah, in hawaii.
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Greg: hawaii, and someone came up to me and said, "marco rubio
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Is here and wants to meet you."
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I said, "wait, you mean senator marco rubio?
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Well, i'd love to meet him."
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And then we met you and your wonderful wife jeanette,
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We got to know each other.
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And what so impressed me was that you were taking--and
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Actually it's a long flight from florida to hawaii.
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Marco: we went twice, two years in a row, if you recall.
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Greg: you did, that's true.
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And it was so great just to see you there, because that says a
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Lot about you, that your marriage matters to you, that
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You would take that time to be with your wife and to strengthen
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Your own marriage.
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And your wife and my wife are having tea right now, and cathe,
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My wife, texts with jeanette, your wife, all the time.
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And it--she told us something really amazing about you, and
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That--you know, you're always gonna get inside intel
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From the wives, right?
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But that when you got up at charlie kirk's memorial service,
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You gave what i thought was a stunning talk.
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Marco: one of the things he wants us to take away from
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This--from all of this is the following: his deep belief that
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We were all created, every single one of us, before the
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Beginning of time by the hands of the god of the universe, an
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All-powerful god who loved us and created us for the purpose
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Of living with him in eternity, but then sin entered the world
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And separated us from our creator.
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And so god took on the form of a man and came down and lived
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Among us, and he suffered like men and he died like a man, but
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On the third day he rose unlike any mortal man and then--and to
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Prove any doubters wrong, he ate with his disciples so they could
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See, and they touched his wounds.
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He didn't rise as a ghost or as a spirit but as flesh.
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And then he rose to the heaven, but he promised he would return,
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And he will.
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And when he returns--because he took on that death, because he
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Carried that cross, we were freed from the sin that
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Separated us from him.
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And when he returns, there will be a new heaven and a new earth
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And we will all be together, and we are going to have a great
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Reunion there again with charlie and all the people we love.
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Thank you, and god bless you.
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Greg: in fact, i thought you did a better job presenting the
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Gospel than some preachers i've heard.
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It was theologically accurate, it was passionate, and it was
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Also understandable.
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And we were so impressed.
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Like, that was such a great moment.
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And then jeanette told cathe that you had no notes when you
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Got up and did that.
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Marco: yeah, it works out better that way sometimes 'cause i
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Think you're--so what happens when you don't write things out
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Is you might forget to say something, but i think what you
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Lose sometimes is sort of the authenticity of it.
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Now, that--there are speeches you have to give that
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Are written.
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And often i'll do an outline or just notes of reminders, but i
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Think these things always come best from the heart.
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I wanna go back to something you mentioned about marriage 'cause
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I know it's a topic.
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It's interesting the other day i heard someone say this, and it's
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Absolutely true.
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If you look at the bible, repeatedly in the gospels
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Where--and even in the old testament when it describes
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God's love for his people, it's always discussed in
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Marital terms.
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It's never described as a parent's love for a child.
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It's almost described in the bridegroom, the--it--and so it
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Tells you the importance that marriage has on--to god how--and
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Many cases, you know, marriage is in fact a sacramental union
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That really reflects god's love for people.
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So that said, you know, it's--everyone knows, who's been
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Married alive, it's a vocation.
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It's a job, and it--but it is the most important job i'll
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Ever have.
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It's more important than being a parent.
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It's actually related to it, but it's even more--the best gift
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That parents can give their children is sort of the teamwork
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Of a man and a woman working together to raise a child.
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And back to the point you made on the speech and so forth, you
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Know, i think one of the things that were unique about charlie
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Is he was both--he was--he really--i mean, people consider
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Him to be a political wa--and he was involved in american
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Politics, but his mission i felt--his ministry really in
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Many cases was much deeper than just politics.
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It was a call to the reinvigoration of a society of
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All the things we know that work, of all things we know
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Are good.
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And not to force it upon anybody, but i thought in many
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Ways that's what his mission was really in--geared towards.
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And it had political aspects to it, but i thought what--the work
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He did went far beyond just simple politics from a partisan
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Perspective or anything like that.
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So i felt that was an important opportunity to talk about that
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As well 'cause i did get to know charlie quite well and, in fact,
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I'd just been exchanging text message with him five days
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Before he died.
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He had just recently--he was either in south korea or
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Returning from south korea and is very concerned about some of
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The things that are happening to churches inside of south korea
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Right now.
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So we were gonna talk about that the next time we got together,
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And unfortunately that conversation won't happen.
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But yeah, it was a--and i mean, that memorial by--was an amazing
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Situation there with the numbers--
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Greg: a hundred million people watched it.
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Marco: it was unreal, yeah.
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Greg: so, you know, coming back to marriage, i mean, you could
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Almost take every social ill in america today and directly
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Relate it to the breakdown of the family and specifically to a
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Lack of fathers.
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I've looked at statistics of people who are incarcerated,
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People who turn to drugs, girls who get pregnant outside of
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Wedlock, the list goes on, and in almost every instance they
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Come from a broken home and specifically they had no father
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Growing up.
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I've heard it said that a nation can survive--a family can
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Survive without a nation, but a nation cannot survive without
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The family.
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Marco: well, i think the important point to note is that
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It is a nation, but what is the--what are the atoms?
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What is the basic structures of--structural blocks of a
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Society and of a country?
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And if you begin to think about what it is, it's actually
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Communities built by families and homes.
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So i always tell people the most important thing and i'm--that
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Happens in our country is not what happens in the white house.
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It's what happens in your house.
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So that's an example of it, too.
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And so if you think about what is the--what composes a nation
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And a society, it basically is community, which is composed of
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Families, which is obviously composed of homes, and it is--
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You know, the the family in an ideal setting
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Is the first government.
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It's the first school. it's the first church.
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It is the--foundational to everything.
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Now, does that mean that someone who comes from a broken home or
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Someone who comes from a dysfunctional family can't
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Be successful?
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Of course, it doesn't mean that.
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Does that mean that--there are some very courageous single
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Parents, particularly single women, that are out there,
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Single mothers that are raising their children.
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It's extraordinary, and we--i think it calls an obligation to
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Be helpful to them and understand that the mission they
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Have is so difficult.
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In many cases, they'll be the ones that tell you how hard
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It is.
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So some amazing stories out there and some heroic women
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In particular.
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And i say women; there are obviously men that have done
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This, but you run into a lot of women that have had to raise
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Children on their own and it's a tough deal.
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But the--we know this.
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The ideal setting, the one that history--thousands of years of
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Collective human history teaches us and--even in our own country,
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The most effective way to raise children has--is in a home in
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Which a loving mother and father are doing it together, although
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In some circumstances unfortunately that's not
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Possible for a variety of reasons.
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Greg: and so as you--when i first met you, you were
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A senator.
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Now you're the secretary of state, and i can't even imagine
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The kind of information you're exposed to and the things that
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Could cause great alarm and the things that could cause fear.
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And i don't know if you deal with things that keep you up at
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Night, but how do you process that?
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And maybe are there passage of--passages of scripture you
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Turn to to help put yourself in a place of trusting in god or
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How you cope with all of that?
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Marco: well, i think first of all, erika kirk yesterday had
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Some pretty powerful lines at the memorial service where
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She talked about how charlie lived free of fear.
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I think fear is an enemy, it's a paralytic.
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It almost--so i think fear is the wrong terminology.
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Certainly we all worry, we all have things to worry about.
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Here's what i would say for christianity in particular.
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Of all the faiths in the world--and i'm not prejudging or
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Criticizing anybody, but of all the faiths in the world, the
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Ones who should never live in fear or the ones who should
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Never live in worry that becomes paralyzing are christians
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Because we know how it ends.
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I always say this to people all the time, you know, and it
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Reminds me a little bit of--like, you watch a
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Scary movie.
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You've seen it ten times.
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You know how it ends, you know the lead character survives, but
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Nonetheless you still get nervous every time you see it
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Even though you know what the outcome of it's gonna be.
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And i think that's our story, right?
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The story that we know that at the end of time there'll be a
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New heaven and a new earth and that jesus will return.
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We also know that between now and then they'll come a period
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Of great tribulation, of great challenges.
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The world's never been free of them, but this will be
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Specifically extra.
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And so we already know that.
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And so for us to somehow--i think what's--for some to
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Somehow aspire to live in a world free of problems and free
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Of challenges and free of worry is not realistic.
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It's also not biblical.
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It's not true to our faith and so--but in the end i always sort
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Of remind people of the christian faith.
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Like, of all the people in the world that shouldn't be that
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Anxious about the future it should be us, especially when it
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Comes to global events, because we know how the movie ends, we
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Know how the story ends.
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We don't know when it ends.
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We can't detail exactly how that's gonna play out, but we
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Know generally the thematic of it, and the thematic of it is
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Victory and the restoration of what we should have been from
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The very beginning.
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And that's the most important thing to tell everybody.
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We were not--death is not a natural--it's natural because it
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Entered into the world through sin, but we were never meant
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To die.
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We were not created to die.
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We were--and all of that entered the world because of death and
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Now we're in a process of sort of overcoming that.
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Jesus did that and now we're in the process as mortals as a
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Result of the consequence of sin of living through that.
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But we know how the story ends, so we should be--so it helps
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Manage--that's a key way that i think faith--
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Greg: i think if the secretary of state thing doesn't work out,
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You can consider being a pastor.
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Marco: well, it's much harder than being secretary of state,
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I think.
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Greg: but, you know, listening to you talk about these things,
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It is surprising and very encouraging for a man in your
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Position to believe, and you mentioned this at charlie's
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Memorial service.
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You not only talk about the death of christ,
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His resurrection.
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You talked about the return of christ, and you just talked
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About it again.
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And, you know, the bible--there's what we call
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Prophetic events, signs of the times that tell us jesus christ
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Is coming back again.
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You're more privy to information than probably anyone out there
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Apart from the president, of course, and members of his
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Cabinet, but do you see things happening in our world right now
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That make you say, "wow, i believe that christ could be
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Coming back very soon?"
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Marco: well, i'm sure i do, i mean, in the sense that--but i
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Also believe that if you look at the 2,000 years of christianity
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Every generation has believed they li--they believe they're
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Living in the end times.
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They couldn't imagine things getting any worse than
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They were.
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I imagine if you lived in the 1940s and saw the growth of nazi
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Germany and the--particularly early on the progress that they
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Had made and the successes they were having in the battlefield,
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That was a very scary time.
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So i think it's almost a trap to so--we're basically told
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That--you know, whether it's death or the second coming,
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"i'll come as a thief in the night."
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I mean, people will be out there basically doing normal
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Life activities.
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So rather than try to predict it or anticipate it, i think you
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Just sort of understand that's how the story ends and in the
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Meantime this is what we're called to do to live our faith.
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Greg: one hundred percent i agree with that.
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I've said that i'm gonna get to heaven and--maybe through a taxi
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Or an uber, i'm gonna get there.
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So it doesn't matter.
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I just--you have that hope that you're gonna be with christ,
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But--and then the interest among so many young people in
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Socialism and communism.
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I mean, your family, of course, came from cuba, a
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Communist country.
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Why this interest in communism?
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Do you think that so many of these young people even fully
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Understand what any of these things mean when they call
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People fascists, nazis, and they are drawn to communism
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And socialism?
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What is going on here?
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Marco: well, it's part of what--actually talking about
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Charlie kirk, it's part of the things that he was confronting
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On campuses, and i thought he did it in a very effective way,
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Which is that he would engage people in debate and force them
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To justify the arg--understand that in many of these cases,
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These beliefs that some people adopt about socialism, about
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Communism in particular are never challenged.
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They're not challenged in--at the university setting.
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It begins with your professors sort of pushing this on you and
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Then there really aren't forums available in which you--that can
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Be challenged.
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So i do think it's a combination.
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I think academia has played a big part in this.
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Academia has become a magnet, and there's always been--okay,
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To be clear, there's always been crazy professors.
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There's always been people that are out of whack in how they
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Think about certain things.
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I don't think it had been as institutionalized as it's been
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Over the last 30 or 40 years.
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And, you know, you've now produced multiple generations of
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Young americans that have gone through the system, particularly
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Pronounced in our most elite schools.
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People leave these most elite schools with that level of
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Indoctrination and in 20 years they wind up in positions of
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Authority and power.
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And so i think we're now beginning to see the
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Ramifications of that.
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In many cases, they go back and become the crazy professors
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Except there's a lot more of them.
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Sometimes they go back and become administrators.
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And so that needs to be challenged because the purpose
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Of the university is to learn, and you learn by being exposed
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And being challenged in your beliefs, not by indoctrination.
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There's a big difference between education and indoctrination.
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So i think there's some consequence of that that we're
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Seeing play out.
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And i wanna say it's not just a us phenomenon, it's a western
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Phenomenon that's played out in multiple places around
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The world.
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But i also see there's a legitimate pushback happening
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Now, and i think that's what charlie kirk as much as anything
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Else did, is he challenged young people to question these things
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That were being taught and in many cases, you know, engaged in
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Debate in front of them with people he disagreed with as the
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Most effective way of poking holes in the argument of the
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Other side.
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Greg: now, you--you've made sacrifices or--for your faith.
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I mean, you've stood up for your faith.
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Has it ever cost you politically, do you think, or
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Has it not affected you?
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Marco: i don't know if it has or hasn't, to be honest with you.
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I'm not--i can't give you an example of where i thought--
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Greg: or has it helped you, because it's so--i think with
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You it's so beautifully integrated into your life and
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Everything that you say and do.
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Marco: but the gospel's clear you'll be hated for it.
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So i mean--i think people that understand--people that go into
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This understanding that ours is the faith of the cross.
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It's not the faith of winning the lottery and the--and there's
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Nothing wrong with wealth, there's nothing wrong with
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Success, there's nothing wrong with happiness, but i think it's
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A misunderstanding of christianity to believe that
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It's a--that it leads to, like, happiness and prosperity.
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These are things that god may bless you with, but our faith is
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The faith of the cross.
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And, in fact, if you look at the era in christianity where
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Christianity has been strongest and most vibrant is when it's
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Countercultural, when it's been strong and most vibrant is when
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It's been oppressed.
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Now, i don't seek oppression.
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We don't seek to be, you know, hated, but it's going to happen
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And you--once you understand that and it's--and in some cases
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It's not just hatred, it's a special kind of anger that you
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See that some people adopt as a result of your faith.
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But i can't say it's necessarily led to a sacrifice or it's hurt
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Me or harm me politically, but it really wouldn't matter.
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I mean, there might be some issues that i believe strongly
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About and--when i was in political office.
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Now i'm in--you know, in executive office, but that--but
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I'd rather--i said i'd rather lose an election than be wrong
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On those issues in the public stage.
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Greg: you once said that there's never been a nation like the
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United states.
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It begins with the principles of our founding documents,
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Principles that recognize our rights come from god,
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Not government.
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And you see america as unique.
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I mean, i would say and i'm sure you would agree, but i believe
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America is the greatest nation in the world today.
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We have our flaws, we have our shortcomings, but there's no
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Place like america.
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Do you agree with that, and if so why?
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Marco: well, first of all, america is not a government.
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I think that's the mistake people make, is they think
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America is a government.
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We have a government.
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But america is a nation, and a nation, as i said earlier, is a
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Society made up of communities.
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This is really where change matters and--where
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Change happens.
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And communities are made up of families.
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And so that's the key.
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And if that breaks down at the family level, then you can't
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Have community.
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And if community breaks down, then you really aren't a nation
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Per se.
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So to me that's always been fundamental and important.
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We're not a government.
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We have a government, but we're not a government.
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The american story is special and unique because it is founded
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On a very powerful principle which even today is not largely
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Accepted in much of the world, but certainly when those words
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Were written were alien to most people, the idea--for almost
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Everyone that's ever existed, they were told that, "you don't
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Have any rights.
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To the extent you have them it's because they've been given to
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You by your leaders.
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Your rights are whatever your leaders say you have and largely
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Your rights are whatever you're--belong to the people
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With the most weapons who can win the war."
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And the notion that somehow, "no, no, your rights don't come
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From the law.
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They don't come from the government.
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They don't come from your leaders.
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Your rights come from your creator."
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And the job of government is to protect your rights, not to
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Decide them or to bestow them.
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That's a very unique thought and that's a very unique belief, and
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It's a foundational principle of the country.
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Have we always lived up to that belief?
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No, because we--it's a human institution, right?
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At the end of the day, anything that's a human institution will
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Bring with it the flaws of humanity.
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But i also think one of the great things about the american
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Story is that every injustice, every great cause in american
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History has been a demand to fulfill our founding principles,
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Not a revolution against our founding principles.
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The reason why slavery could not survive in america is because it
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Violated our founding principles.
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The reason why women vote is because it violated our
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Founding principles.
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Every single one of the great causes in american history has
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Been a demand that we live up to the principles of our founding.
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Greg: how would you like to be remembered?
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Like, what would you like to be known for?
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You mentioned the importance of your family, of course the
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Important positions you've held, but what things would sum up
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Your life?
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"i'd like people to remember this."
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Marco: yeah, i don't know.
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I haven't--yeah, at 54 i still don't think too much about
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That yet.
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I think ultimately there's two ways.
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How i'd like to be remembered professionally is someone who
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Made a difference and had an impact and obviously had the
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Opportunity to do that in the united states senate
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Representing florida and now this new opportunity under
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President trump, that i was, you know, effective at the job that
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I was given and that we made an impact, that we made
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A difference.
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There's really only one reason to do this, and that is to be
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Able to make a difference and have an impact.
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I think as a person i'd like to be remembered as someone, you
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Know, who was a good husband and a good father and who tried the
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Best he could imperfectly to live out the teachings and
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Tenets of his faith and to model that behavior as much as
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Anything else.
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And that's an ongoing project.
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You know, that's the--one thing about life is you can blow it
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All in one moment.
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It's a daily reminder of how difficult it is to walk on
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That path.
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But when it's all said and done, i think we were all created for
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A purpose and a reason and we spend if we're blessed a long
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Time, if we're not blessed a shorter amount of time trying to
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Figure out, "why was i created?
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What was the purpose of my life?"
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And then you hope at the end--we don't fully understand this.
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It's one of the great mysteries of our faith.
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But in the end you hope that when you come face to face with
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Your creator he'll say, you know, "well done.
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You walked the path that i had created you for imperfectly."
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Because he knows we're imperfect.
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Greg: i think that god has raised you up for this moment to
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Do exactly what you're doing.
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Thank you again. my pleasure.
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Greg: you know, i've had the opportunity to interview some
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Pretty amazing people over the years; from rock stars to movie
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Stars, to pastors, to politicians.
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And these are people that influence others.
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And in my interview that i just did with secretary of state
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Marco rubio, we talked about presidents.
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He works directly under president trump.
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We talked about other presidents that impacted our nation in
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Profound ways; from george washington to abraham lincoln.
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Abraham lincoln was the 16th president of the united states
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Of america.
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Behind me is the lincoln memorial dedicated to
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His memory.
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Why was lincoln a great president?
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Well, he had the most humble origins imaginable, literally
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Born in a log cabin.
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He received little to no education, but he was a
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Voracious student and loved to read and learn.
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And, of course, he unified the united states.
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The--america was falling apart and so he unified our nation,
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Then he freed the slaves.
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And most significantly, president lincoln paid the
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Ultimate price.
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He was assassinated in the ford theater at the conclusion of the
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Civil war, but his words still impact us today.
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And one of the things that motivated president abraham
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Lincoln was his faith in god, his belief in the bible, his
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Trust in christ as we have seen in our interview with secretary
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Of state marco rubio, as we also saw in my interview with speaker
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Of the house mike johnson and so many others in washington today
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Who are speaking openly about their faith.
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I love how secretary of state marco rubio said that yes,
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There is a price to pay for being a christian, but it's a
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Price well worth paying to stand up for christ.
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And i'm thankful for men of god in elected office.
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You know, the bible says when the righteous rule, the people
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Rejoice, and we should all remember this when it comes time
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To vote.
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Find candidates that are godly.
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Find candidates that hold to biblical values and have a
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Biblical worldview and everything will be better in
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Our nation.
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Oh, it won't be perfect, it never is, but it can be a lot
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Better than when people are godless and are going contrary
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To what the word of god says as many are today doing on the
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Far left.
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So i thank god that the lord has placed marco rubio in this place
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Of influence as their secretary of state, and it was a real
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Honor to talk to him today.
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Greg: hi, i'm greg laurie. i've got some good news for you.
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God loves you, and god has a plan for your life.
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Here's the problem: we're separated from god by our sin
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Because we've all broken his commandments.
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But the good news is that 2,000 years ago, god sent
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His son, jesus christ, to die on the cross for your sin,
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And then to rise again from the dead.
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The same jesus who died and rose is alive and ready
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To come into your life right now.
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Would you like your sin forgiven?
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Would you like to know that when you die you will go to heaven?
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If so, pray this simple prayer with me right now.
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Just say, "lord jesus, i know i'm a sinner, but i believe
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You're the savior, who died on the cross for my sin.
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I turn from my sin now, and i choose to follow you
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From this moment forward."
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Did you just pray that prayer with me?
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If you did, god in heaven has heard you.
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And let me be the first to say to you,
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Congratulations, and welcome to the family of god.
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Greg Laurie - The Greg Laurie Show Podcast with Marco Rubio

December 7, 2025 | 29:0

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