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Harvest with Pastor Greg Laurie | Greg Laurie - How Can A God of Love Allow Pain and Suffering? | December 2, 2024
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- Greg laurie: your faith should not be based on your emotion.
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- Your faith should not be on everything going
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- Circumstantially well, because it won't.
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- Your faith should not be on everyone always being
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- The perfect example for you to follow.
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- Your faith needs to be in christ.
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- And he will never let you down, he will never abandon you,
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- He can be fully trusted.
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- That's the faith you need.
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- ♪ this is the day, the day where life begins ♪
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- ♪ this is the day, the day where life begins ♪♪
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- Greg: life is filled with trouble.
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- There's no escaping it, no getting away from it.
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- In fact, in the book of job chapter 5 verse 7, it says
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- "people are born for trouble as predictably as sparks fly upward
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- From a fire," and that's so true.
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- And then there are those days where everything seems to
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- Go wrong.
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- Then we just look at what's going on around the world and we
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- Say, "why is this happening?"
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- This horrific terrorist attack on october 7th in israel by the
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- Terrorist organization hamas and all those innocent civilians
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- Murdered and many taken as hostages and, tragically, many
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- Of them still are hostages today.
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- Or we hear of a cataclysmic event.
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- Maybe a tsunami hits a place or we hear of someone that we
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- Know--they get cancer or just the tragedies of life.
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- And they're out there and we wonder why.
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- Why does god allow pain, suffering, evil in the world?
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- Why does god allow things to happen in your life
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- That make no sense?
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- Are you ready? you have a pen?
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- Write it down. here's my answer.
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- I don't know.
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- I don't know.
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- You should've met me when i was 21 years old
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- And i just started preaching.
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- I knew everything.
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- I had five scriptures and i had an answer
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- For every question.
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- I'm not saying i know less now than i knew then,
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- But i'm just saying it's okay sometimes to say,
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- I really don't know why.
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- Okay, but, there are some reasons
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- God allows suffering in our life
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- That we'll explore together, but we are going to suffer in life.
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- That's clearly taught in scripture.
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- Some people do suffer more than others, don't they?
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- Yeah, we don't know why.
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- 1 peter 4:12 says, "don't be surprised at the fiery trial
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- When it comes upon you to test you as though something strange
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- Were happening to you."
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- Our trials and sufferings and difficulties should not
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- Seem strange.
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- They should be expected in some way shape or form.
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- Jesus said, "in this world you will have tribulation; but be of
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- Good cheer, i have overcome the world."
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- So maybe i'm talking to somebody that's just having the greatest
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- Day of all time.
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- In fact, you said, "i was in the greatest mood until you
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- Started preaching."
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- Well, i hate to break it to you, but there's trouble coming your
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- Way, in some way, shape, or form, around the corner.
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- You're either coming out of a storm or eventually pulling into
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- One and this is not just for the christian, this is for everyone.
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- The rain falls on the just and the unjust.
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- Calamity comes into all of our lives, so that should not
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- Surprise you, that should not shock you.
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- And i want to look at the story of a man who suffered greatly.
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- He's sort of the poster boy for someone who suffered.
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- And his name, of course, is job.
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- This is a man who, in one single day, had the bottom drop out in
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- Life and every bad thing that could seemingly happen happened
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- To him and maybe even a little bit more.
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- Many believe that job is the oldest book of the bible.
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- Some believe that moses is the author of this book, but
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- It starts by telling us job came from a place called uz.
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- It almost sounds like a fairy tale, like oz, dorothy and
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- Toto, right?
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- But it was uz, it was a real place.
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- Job was a real guy who faced real problems who turned to a
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- Real god and he found real hope and job shows us what we should
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- Do in times of crisis, as well.
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- So the story of job opens in heaven and then it sort of
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- Unfolds on earth and a conversation is being held
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- Between the lord and the angels and among the angels is satan.
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- Now remember, satan, the devil, also known as lucifer, is
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- A fallen angel.
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- In fact, he was once a very high-ranking angel.
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- So in the story of job--here he is before the throne of god and
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- The lord says to satan, "so where have you come from?"
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- Satan replies, job 1:7, "i've been going back and forth across
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- The earth watching everything that's going on."
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- Kind of creepy, but that's the devil.
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- He's looking for trouble, he's looking for lives to ruin, he's
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- Looking for things to destroy.
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- As jesus said of him, "the thief comes only to steal, kill,
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- And destroy."
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- And that's exactly what he was doing.
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- In peter, he's described as a roaring lion walking about
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- Seeking whom he may devour.
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- But when we read that he's watching everything that goes
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- On, that suggests activity, action, and a restlessness.
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- And then the lord decides to brag on job and in the presence
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- Of the angels and lucifer, the lord says, "have you considered
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- My servant, job?
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- A perfect and upright man, one that fears god and shuns evil."
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- The devil pushes back, loose paraphrase, "oh, give me
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- A break.
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- Job follows you because you give him cool stuff.
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- He has a big family, he has wealth, he has the best life
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- Ever, and that's why he follows you.
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- He doesn't really care about you.
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- Give me a little time with job and we'll see what he's really
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- Made of."
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- Now, when i read this conversation, i think "lord, if
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- You're ever, for a fleeting moment, feeling proud of me,
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- Don't say anything while the devil's around," because
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- A series of calamities came crashing down on job.
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- It's unbelievable in many ways.
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- It was probably a day like any other day.
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- He opens his eyes, here comes the sun rising, stretches out
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- His arms.
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- "okay lord, let's see what you have in store for me today."
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- And then one bad thing after another begin to fall--unfold
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- In the life of job.
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- So the story begins where someone comes into his family
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- That are having a meal together and they say that a group of
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- Marauders just stole all of our animals and killed our
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- Farm hands.
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- And before that person could finish speaking, another comes
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- In and says, "well, the fire of god fell on your sheep and on
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- Your shepherds."
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- And then another one says, "hey, the camels were just stolen and
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- More farm hands were killed."
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- And then it went from bad to worse.
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- And we pick our story up in job 1 verse 18, i'm reading from
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- The new living translation.
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- "while he was still speaking, another messenger arrived with
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- This news: 'your sons and daughters were feasting in their
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- Oldest brother's house.
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- Suddenly, a powerful wind swept in from the desert, hit the
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- House from all sides and the house collapsed and all your
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- Children are dead.
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- I'm the only one escaped to tell you.'
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- Job stood up, he tore his robe in grief.
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- Then he shaved his head and he fell to the ground before god."
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- Wow, i'll tell you all the things that job experienced, the
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- Loss of his livestock and other calamities, none of it compared
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- To losing his family, losing his children.
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- And i know this pain because, as you know, it happened to us
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- 16 years ago when our oldest son christopher was killed in
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- A tragic automobile accident.
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- When i heard the news, i felt like my world literally ended.
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- You say, "greg, you're a pastor."
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- Yeah, i am.
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- And i'm also a dad and i was devastated and i literally fell
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- To the ground.
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- I couldn't even stand.
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- And cathe got down on her knees and she took my face into her
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- Hands and she said, "it's going to be okay."
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- And of course, in a broad sense, it wasn't okay, but i think what
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- She was saying to me was, "you're gonna survive this,
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- We're gonna survive this."
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- She was the only one who could say that to me in the room
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- Because she lost a son too.
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- Because you know what?
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- People say really crazy stuff in tragic times.
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- They're well-meaning perhaps, but they try to say something to
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- Comfort you and it doesn't comfort you.
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- Sometimes it makes it even more difficult.
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- There's a whole nother message one could give on what not to
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- Say to someone who has lost a loved one.
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- And i could just give you a list that goes on quite a while of
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- Things to not say.
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- Actually, here's just a simple way to look at it.
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- Less is more.
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- There's nothing you're going to say that's gonna make it better.
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- Literally, just to say, "i'm so sorry," and just be there can
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- Sometimes do more for a person than trying to give them
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- A little sermonette.
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- And i heard quite a few sermonettes and i didn't need
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- Those at that particular moment, but it reminds me of how
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- Job reacted.
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- He just fell to the ground and we joined a club we never wanted
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- To join.
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- The club of people who lost children.
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- Now, you know, it's interesting.
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- If you lose your husband, you're a widow.
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- If you lose your wife, you're a widower.
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- If you lose your parents, you're an orphan.
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- What are you if you lose your child?
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- Well, there's no word.
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- Maybe because it's so incomprehensibly awful they
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- Haven't come up with a description for it, but i joined
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- This very exclusive club and it's not a fun one to be in.
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- But i'll tell you, god was with me.
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- I was being interviewed a while back and someone asked me, "what
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- Is the most spiritual moment of your entire life?"
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- Meaning, when did you feel god's presence more than any
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- Other time?
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- I had to think about it.
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- Was that the day when i came to christ?
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- That was a very spiritual day, but actually it was not
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- An emotional day for me.
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- I don't know about your conversion.
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- Was my baptism my most emotional day?
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- No, it wasn't, though it was emotional.
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- Was my wedding my most spiritual day?
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- Big day, but no.
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- And i had to admit that the moment i felt the presence of
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- Jesus was right after i heard the worst news ever.
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- It's like jesus made himself so known to me
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- That he was there and job experienced that as well.
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- You know, sometimes when
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- Tragedy hits, people say, "i lost my faith.
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- You know, this happened to me.
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- It's not fair. i lost my faith."
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- Okay, maybe that's good.
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- What?
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- Hey, the faith that cannot be tested is the faith that cannot
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- Be trusted.
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- Your faith should not be based on your emotion, your faith
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- Should not be on everything going circumstantially well,
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- Because it won't.
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- Your faith should not be on everyone always being
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- The perfect example for you to follow.
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- Your faith needs to be in christ and he will never let you down,
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- He will never abandon you, he can be fully trusted.
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- That's the faith you need.
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- Character is not made in crisis, it's revealed, it's revealed.
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- It shows what your character is, it shows what your faith is in,
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- Or i should say rather who your faith is in.
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- So let me give you just a few thoughts on why god
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- Allows suffering.
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- If you're taking notes, here's point number one.
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- God sometimes allows suffering and sickness to get
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- Our attention.
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- Maybe you're rebelling against god and you're going the wrong
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- Direction and the lord wants you to pay attention.
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- This happened to jonah.
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- God told him to go and preach to the ninevites.
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- Jonah said, "no, i'm not gonna do it," and got a boat going in
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- The opposite direction.
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- To sum up the story of jonah, god said, "go."
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- Jonah said, "no."
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- God said, "oh?"
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- See, god will always have the last word and because jonah was
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- His child, his prophet, he chastened him.
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- The lord says, or the bible says, "the lord chastens every
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- Son that he loves."
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- So have you ever been out somewhere, maybe in
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- A restaurant, and kids are behaving really badly, very
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- Disrespectful, and you would like to go over there and tell
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- Them to behave themselves, but you can't because they're not
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- Your kids?
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- And if you do try, you might get arrested.
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- That's not your privilege.
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- Your privilege and your responsibility, i might add,
- 00:13:21.243 --> 00:13:24.446
- As a parent, is to control your children because often it's more
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- Of a commentary on bad parenting than bad kids.
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- You see a well-behaved, respectful child, that's good
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- Parenting because these kids are not born that way,
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- None of us are.
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- And so as a good, loving, parent, you say, "no, you're not
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- Gonna do that.
- 00:13:43.732 --> 00:13:45.067
- No, you don't speak to people that way.
- 00:13:45.067 --> 00:13:46.735
- You don't speak to me that way."
- 00:13:46.735 --> 00:13:49.171
- You know, that's all part of parenting and god is the
- 00:13:49.171 --> 00:13:52.608
- Ultimate parent and if we start to go astray he says, "i love
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- You so much, i'm not gonna let you keep doing that."
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- Remember what david wrote in psalm 23: "the lord is my
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- Shepherd; i shall not want.
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- He makes me to lie down in green pastures; he leads me beside
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- The still waters.
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- He restores my soul.
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- You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies.
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- My cup runs over.
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- Yea, though i walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
- 00:14:16.031 --> 00:14:19.401
- I will fear no evil; for you are with me."
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- You know the rest, "your rod and your staff," say it with me,
- 00:14:22.838 --> 00:14:25.908
- "your rod and your staff, they comfort me."
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- Okay, rod and staff.
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- We remember what that is when we looked at the psalms.
- 00:14:30.746 --> 00:14:33.916
- Staff is a long crooked stick, if you will, that the shepherd
- 00:14:33.916 --> 00:14:38.287
- Uses to pull the wayward sheep back.
- 00:14:38.287 --> 00:14:40.756
- The rod, it's effectively a club.
- 00:14:40.756 --> 00:14:43.692
- The shepherd uses it to drive off predators, but he also uses
- 00:14:43.692 --> 00:14:47.696
- It occasionally on that exceptionally rebellious sheep
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- That potentially is leading others astray.
- 00:14:52.835 --> 00:14:55.304
- So the lord is saying, "no, i don't want you to do that,"
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- And you keep doing it and he uses the staff.
- 00:14:57.339 --> 00:14:59.608
- "now stop doing that."
- 00:14:59.608 --> 00:15:00.976
- You keep doing it, uses the staff.
- 00:15:00.976 --> 00:15:02.444
- "now, i'm telling you, i want you to stop."
- 00:15:02.444 --> 00:15:04.980
- You keep doing it. whack!
- 00:15:04.980 --> 00:15:07.016
- "what was that?"
- 00:15:07.016 --> 00:15:08.484
- That's love. "love?"
- 00:15:08.484 --> 00:15:10.786
- Yeah, that's god trying to keep you from killing yourself, from
- 00:15:10.786 --> 00:15:16.558
- Destroying your life, you know?
- 00:15:16.558 --> 00:15:18.994
- And this is the thing.
- 00:15:18.994 --> 00:15:20.362
- He will discipline his own children, so maybe something's
- 00:15:20.362 --> 00:15:23.766
- Happened in your life that just got your attention, sort of
- 00:15:23.766 --> 00:15:26.302
- A wake-up call.
- 00:15:26.302 --> 00:15:27.670
- The psalmist wrote, "before i was afflicted i went astray, but
- 00:15:27.670 --> 00:15:30.940
- Now i have kept your word."
- 00:15:30.940 --> 00:15:33.409
- So sometimes the lord will use difficulties, trials, hardships,
- 00:15:33.409 --> 00:15:39.381
- Et cetera, to get your attention.
- 00:15:39.381 --> 00:15:41.817
- Maybe something's happened recently.
- 00:15:41.817 --> 00:15:43.319
- It just, boy, got your attention fast.
- 00:15:43.319 --> 00:15:46.422
- Maybe your marriage failed, maybe your parents divorced,
- 00:15:46.422 --> 00:15:51.327
- Maybe your boyfriend or girlfriend dumped you, maybe
- 00:15:51.327 --> 00:15:54.763
- Even your dog walked out on you and your cat, too.
- 00:15:54.763 --> 00:15:59.568
- But don't they always walk out on us?
- 00:15:59.568 --> 00:16:02.037
- I mean, do we really even own them?
- 00:16:02.037 --> 00:16:04.640
- We just feed them and they go live their crazy cat
- 00:16:04.640 --> 00:16:06.976
- Lives, right?
- 00:16:06.976 --> 00:16:08.577
- Well, whatever it was, it got you to wake up and if you're
- 00:16:08.577 --> 00:16:12.815
- A real believer, you will turn to god.
- 00:16:12.815 --> 00:16:14.383
- Here's something to remember.
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- God is in control of all circumstances that surround
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- The believer.
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- God is in control of all circumstances that surround
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- The believer.
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- The word "oops" is not in god's vocabulary.
- 00:16:25.394 --> 00:16:28.998
- Would you be alarmed if you heard god say, "whoops."
- 00:16:28.998 --> 00:16:31.600
- What, what? you dropped a planet?
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- A galaxy? what happened?
- 00:16:33.836 --> 00:16:36.071
- No, he has a plan and he either does it or he allows it.
- 00:16:36.071 --> 00:16:41.143
- So whatever happens in your life is either done by god or it's
- 00:16:41.143 --> 00:16:44.780
- Allowed by god ultimately for your good and for his glory.
- 00:16:44.780 --> 00:16:50.386
- And there are things that happen that i will acknowledge do not
- 00:16:50.386 --> 00:16:52.955
- Make sense at all, but when a real believer faces crisis,
- 00:16:52.955 --> 00:16:58.727
- He or she will turn to god and a non-believer will turn
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- Against him.
- 00:17:01.964 --> 00:17:03.298
- Shows what you're made of.
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- I don't know about job's wife.
- 00:17:05.167 --> 00:17:07.603
- I mean, here's poor job.
- 00:17:07.603 --> 00:17:08.937
- All these bad things have happened to him and her, it's
- 00:17:08.937 --> 00:17:10.873
- Her family too, her livelihood too.
- 00:17:10.873 --> 00:17:15.110
- And then poor old job is covered head to toe in massive boils.
- 00:17:15.110 --> 00:17:20.349
- Have you ever had a boil?
- 00:17:20.349 --> 00:17:22.885
- Imagine having them everywhere.
- 00:17:22.885 --> 00:17:25.587
- And job's wife just looks at him and says, "why don't you just
- 00:17:25.587 --> 00:17:28.624
- Curse god and die?"
- 00:17:28.624 --> 00:17:31.126
- Thank you for those comforting words, mrs. job.
- 00:17:31.126 --> 00:17:34.463
- How'd you like to get a card like that?
- 00:17:34.463 --> 00:17:37.099
- You know, on the cover it says, "i heard you were sick," open it
- 00:17:37.099 --> 00:17:40.436
- Up, "curse god and die."
- 00:17:40.436 --> 00:17:41.970
- Wow, that was mrs. job's card to job.
- 00:17:41.970 --> 00:17:47.443
- And so was she a believer?
- 00:17:47.443 --> 00:17:48.777
- I don't know, but that was not encouraging news.
- 00:17:48.777 --> 00:17:51.146
- But job did the opposite.
- 00:17:51.146 --> 00:17:53.015
- He turned to god during his difficulty.
- 00:17:53.015 --> 00:17:57.252
- You're either gonna turn to god or you're gonna turn against
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- God, and as a result you're either gonna be better
- 00:18:00.456 --> 00:18:03.392
- Or bitter.
- 00:18:03.392 --> 00:18:04.827
- Let me say that again.
- 00:18:04.827 --> 00:18:06.195
- You're either gonna turn to god or you're gonna turn against
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- God, and as a result you will either be better or bitter.
- 00:18:08.530 --> 00:18:13.836
- Number three, suffering helps us grow spiritually and makes us
- 00:18:13.836 --> 00:18:18.240
- Stronger in the faith.
- 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:20.442
- It takes our faith from the realm of theory to reality.
- 00:18:20.442 --> 00:18:25.013
- Job 42:5: job says, "i'd only heard about you before, but now
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- I have seen you with my eyes."
- 00:18:29.551 --> 00:18:32.354
- In other words, i knew these things but now i've seen them.
- 00:18:32.354 --> 00:18:35.824
- You know, they were conceptual.
- 00:18:35.824 --> 00:18:37.559
- I believe them.
- 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:38.927
- They were and are true, but i hadn't experienced them yet.
- 00:18:38.927 --> 00:18:42.064
- But now i know, i've seen it.
- 00:18:42.064 --> 00:18:44.967
- You know, sometimes parents will say, "oh, we've raised such
- 00:18:44.967 --> 00:18:48.170
- Wonderful children and we'll tell you how to do it too."
- 00:18:48.170 --> 00:18:50.572
- Okay, how old are your kids?
- 00:18:50.572 --> 00:18:52.241
- Two and three.
- 00:18:52.241 --> 00:18:55.144
- How do i put this delicately?
- 00:18:55.144 --> 00:18:56.712
- Shut up?
- 00:18:56.712 --> 00:18:58.947
- You don't know what you're talking about?
- 00:18:58.947 --> 00:19:01.083
- Come to me after you've survived raising a teenager and we'll
- 00:19:01.083 --> 00:19:04.520
- Talk again, you know?
- 00:19:04.520 --> 00:19:06.488
- So maybe they're applying good principles, but the truth is
- 00:19:06.488 --> 00:19:10.659
- This, you have to experience certain things to become maybe
- 00:19:10.659 --> 00:19:14.963
- An authority on them, we'll say, and job certainly had
- 00:19:14.963 --> 00:19:18.467
- Experienced all of this.
- 00:19:18.467 --> 00:19:20.102
- He was transformed and he wrote in job 23:10: "he knows the way
- 00:19:20.102 --> 00:19:24.506
- That i take; and when he has tested me, i will come forth
- 00:19:24.506 --> 00:19:27.643
- As gold."
- 00:19:27.643 --> 00:19:29.077
- See, there are some things that will only come through times
- 00:19:29.077 --> 00:19:32.414
- Of testing.
- 00:19:32.414 --> 00:19:33.782
- I talked before about going to the gym and you go to the gym
- 00:19:33.782 --> 00:19:37.452
- To break muscle down in order to build it back up.
- 00:19:37.452 --> 00:19:40.622
- And trials are like god's gym; that make you stronger, not
- 00:19:40.622 --> 00:19:44.459
- Weaker, you're broken down to be built up.
- 00:19:44.459 --> 00:19:46.728
- James 1:2 says, "listen, when troubles of any kind come your
- 00:19:46.728 --> 00:19:50.566
- Way consider it an opportunity for great joy, for when your
- 00:19:50.566 --> 00:19:54.503
- Faith is tested, you'll have a chance to grow."
- 00:19:54.503 --> 00:19:58.073
- Number four, suffering can be used to prepare us for
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- A special task.
- 00:20:01.410 --> 00:20:03.512
- And this is shown beautifully in the life of joseph.
- 00:20:03.512 --> 00:20:07.716
- I mean, his brothers sold him into slavery and he ended up in
- 00:20:07.716 --> 00:20:12.487
- The house of a guy named potiphar and through his hard
- 00:20:12.487 --> 00:20:15.157
- Work and diligence and godliness, he was running the
- 00:20:15.157 --> 00:20:18.427
- Whole place and then potiphar's wife hit on him.
- 00:20:18.427 --> 00:20:21.697
- She was the original mrs. robinson
- 00:20:21.697 --> 00:20:25.867
- And only four people got that joke.
- 00:20:25.867 --> 00:20:28.270
- It's a very dated reference.
- 00:20:28.270 --> 00:20:31.173
- Let's just say she was the original cougar.
- 00:20:31.173 --> 00:20:33.342
- Does that make more--i don't know,
- 00:20:33.342 --> 00:20:35.077
- But she hit on young joseph trying to entice him sexually.
- 00:20:35.077 --> 00:20:38.914
- He resists her advances and she falsely accuses him of rape and
- 00:20:38.914 --> 00:20:43.352
- He's sent to prison.
- 00:20:43.352 --> 00:20:44.686
- But through the providence of god, he ultimately was able to
- 00:20:44.686 --> 00:20:49.291
- Save a nation from starvation.
- 00:20:49.291 --> 00:20:52.094
- And he said to his brothers later, "i know you meant these
- 00:20:52.094 --> 00:20:55.397
- Things for evil, but god meant them for good to save many
- 00:20:55.397 --> 00:20:59.034
- People alive."
- 00:20:59.034 --> 00:21:00.802
- A perfect illustration of romans 8:28 that says, "god causes all
- 00:21:00.802 --> 00:21:05.707
- Things to work together for good to those that love god and that
- 00:21:05.707 --> 00:21:08.110
- Are called according to his purpose."
- 00:21:08.110 --> 00:21:11.680
- So there are things that we learn in trials we don't learn
- 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:15.851
- Anywhere else and it gives us an ability to minister to people
- 00:21:15.851 --> 00:21:23.025
- In a unique way.
- 00:21:23.025 --> 00:21:24.393
- Paul put it this way.
- 00:21:24.393 --> 00:21:25.727
- 2 corinthians 1, he says, "he comforts us in all of
- 00:21:25.727 --> 00:21:28.597
- Our troubles so we can comfort others.
- 00:21:28.597 --> 00:21:31.133
- And when others are in trouble, we'll be able to give them the
- 00:21:31.133 --> 00:21:33.902
- Same comfort god has given us.
- 00:21:33.902 --> 00:21:36.171
- So you can be sure the more we suffer for christ, the more god
- 00:21:36.171 --> 00:21:39.374
- Will shower us with comfort through christ."
- 00:21:39.374 --> 00:21:41.877
- Okay, so when you go through a hardship it gives you a
- 00:21:41.877 --> 00:21:45.847
- Credibility in the eyes of other people to perhaps help them.
- 00:21:45.847 --> 00:21:50.285
- As an example, let's say that you are a cancer survivor and
- 00:21:50.285 --> 00:21:53.722
- Thank god for that.
- 00:21:53.722 --> 00:21:55.457
- And then one of your friends finds out they have cancer and
- 00:21:55.457 --> 00:21:58.593
- They're just so worried and full of fear and you say, "let me
- 00:21:58.593 --> 00:22:02.364
- Talk to you about how god helped me through this."
- 00:22:02.364 --> 00:22:05.500
- You have a credibility that nobody else would have because
- 00:22:05.500 --> 00:22:08.036
- You've been there and done that.
- 00:22:08.036 --> 00:22:09.571
- Or let's say someone loses a loved one and they know you've
- 00:22:09.571 --> 00:22:12.808
- Just lost a loved one, perhaps a child, and you say, "here's how
- 00:22:12.808 --> 00:22:16.645
- We got through it.
- 00:22:16.645 --> 00:22:18.013
- Here's how we get through it," and they want to hear from you.
- 00:22:18.013 --> 00:22:21.883
- You know, it's been said, "success builds walls and
- 00:22:21.883 --> 00:22:25.954
- Failure builds bridges."
- 00:22:25.954 --> 00:22:28.423
- Does that make sense?
- 00:22:28.423 --> 00:22:29.758
- Success builds walls, failure builds bridges.
- 00:22:29.758 --> 00:22:33.195
- You know, if you're having the perfect life or at least you
- 00:22:33.195 --> 00:22:35.931
- Wanna have people think you're living the perfect life--that
- 00:22:35.931 --> 00:22:39.134
- They follow you on instagram, here you are with your awesome
- 00:22:39.134 --> 00:22:42.671
- Car in front of your awesome house with your amazing family
- 00:22:42.671 --> 00:22:46.041
- And everything's perfect and don't they wish they were living
- 00:22:46.041 --> 00:22:48.944
- A perfect life like you and in reality, you're not living the
- 00:22:48.944 --> 00:22:51.780
- Perfect life but you put it out that you are and now you're
- 00:22:51.780 --> 00:22:55.083
- Gonna tell them something.
- 00:22:55.083 --> 00:22:56.418
- I don't wanna listen to you, but then they know someone else
- 00:22:56.418 --> 00:22:58.453
- Who's had suffering and difficulty and they've overcome
- 00:22:58.453 --> 00:23:02.190
- It with faith.
- 00:23:02.190 --> 00:23:03.558
- They wanna talk to that person.
- 00:23:03.558 --> 00:23:05.026
- See, that's how failure in a sense or struggle we'll say,
- 00:23:05.026 --> 00:23:09.064
- Builds a bridge.
- 00:23:09.064 --> 00:23:10.432
- Oh, you're just like me.
- 00:23:10.432 --> 00:23:11.900
- See, so there's something god can do with this.
- 00:23:11.900 --> 00:23:14.035
- See, don't waste your pain.
- 00:23:14.035 --> 00:23:16.571
- I wish we could live pain-free lives, but we're gonna
- 00:23:16.571 --> 00:23:19.908
- Have pain.
- 00:23:19.908 --> 00:23:21.276
- So what are we gonna do with it?
- 00:23:21.276 --> 00:23:22.611
- Are we gonna let it destroy us or are we gonna use it as a tool
- 00:23:22.611 --> 00:23:25.747
- And use it as a weapon?
- 00:23:25.747 --> 00:23:27.849
- You know, one thing i found, especially in the immediate
- 00:23:27.849 --> 00:23:31.319
- Aftermath of our son going to be with the lord, was it helped me
- 00:23:31.319 --> 00:23:35.257
- When i helped others.
- 00:23:35.257 --> 00:23:37.392
- When i would just think about myself and feel sad for what we
- 00:23:37.392 --> 00:23:40.729
- Were facing, i could get very depressed about it, but then
- 00:23:40.729 --> 00:23:44.332
- Maybe i would meet someone that just had it happen to them one
- 00:23:44.332 --> 00:23:47.803
- Week ago and as i began to speak to them and told them, as cathe
- 00:23:47.803 --> 00:23:51.673
- Said to me in so many words: it's gonna be okay.
- 00:23:51.673 --> 00:23:54.609
- Meaning, "you're gonna survive this, you're gonna live through
- 00:23:54.609 --> 00:23:57.412
- This, and you're gonna see your child again if they died
- 00:23:57.412 --> 00:24:00.882
- In faith in christ because your child is--or your loved one is
- 00:24:00.882 --> 00:24:04.352
- Not just a part of your past, they're also a part of
- 00:24:04.352 --> 00:24:06.822
- Your future."
- 00:24:06.822 --> 00:24:08.156
- As i would minister to other people, it would minister to me.
- 00:24:08.156 --> 00:24:11.526
- So it's back to what paul said, "comforting with the comfort
- 00:24:11.526 --> 00:24:14.095
- I've been comforted with."
- 00:24:14.095 --> 00:24:15.697
- This is so very important for us to understand.
- 00:24:15.697 --> 00:24:18.600
- Don't waste your pain.
- 00:24:18.600 --> 00:24:20.669
- Well, the story of job ends, seems like a good ending.
- 00:24:20.669 --> 00:24:24.840
- Everything he had has now been replaced.
- 00:24:24.840 --> 00:24:28.176
- He has double what he had before.
- 00:24:28.176 --> 00:24:30.111
- But the problem is--those kids, those children, were all gone.
- 00:24:30.111 --> 00:24:34.216
- Now he had other children, but the original children are gone.
- 00:24:34.216 --> 00:24:38.587
- You can't replace them.
- 00:24:38.587 --> 00:24:40.889
- And so there was still a great sense of loss, but he lived
- 00:24:40.889 --> 00:24:44.559
- A long blessed life and god worked in his life.
- 00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:48.196
- Warren wiersbe, a great commentator, quotes a professor
- 00:24:48.196 --> 00:24:52.267
- Of history who said, quote, "if columbus had turned back, nobody
- 00:24:52.267 --> 00:24:56.671
- Would have blamed him.
- 00:24:56.671 --> 00:24:58.006
- But nobody would have remembered him either."
- 00:24:58.006 --> 00:25:00.475
- And then he concludes, "if you want to be memorable sometimes
- 00:25:00.475 --> 00:25:03.545
- You're gonna have to be miserable."
- 00:25:03.545 --> 00:25:05.881
- End quote.
- 00:25:05.881 --> 00:25:07.215
- So you might be going through something that makes no sense to
- 00:25:07.215 --> 00:25:10.051
- You, but god will give you the strength to handle it.
- 00:25:10.051 --> 00:25:13.154
- As i said earlier, god will give you what you need.
- 00:25:13.154 --> 00:25:16.892
- Sometimes before, never after.
- 00:25:16.892 --> 00:25:19.394
- He will be sufficient for you no matter what you face in life.
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- ♪♪♪
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- Greg: hi, i'm greg laurie.
- 00:25:29.704 --> 00:25:31.039
- Years ago, i was in the ocean with my son
- 00:25:31.039 --> 00:25:33.441
- And we got caught in a rip tide.
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- Problem is, we were only a few feet from the shore.
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- The lifeguard comes to rescue me.
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- I say, "i think i'm okay," and i finally got my feet
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- On firm ground.
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- But the problem was i was too proud to say i needed help.
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- That's like us, drowning in sin, drowning in addiction,
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- Needing the help of god.
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- Here's what the bible says.
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- "whoever will call upon the name of the lord will be saved."
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- Whatever you're facing right now, jesus is ready to come
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- And help you, to save you.
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- You can just pray, "lord jesus, save me, forgive me of my sin.
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- I need a relationship with you.
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- I need hope in my life."
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- Pray that prayer.
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- He'll hear it and he'll answer it.
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- I want to send you a bible
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- At no charge to help you
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- Get started in a relationship
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- With jesus christ.
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- Greg: greg laurie here.
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- You know, in harvest ministries, we're committing to reaching
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- Unexpected people in unexpected places with
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- An unexpected message.
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- And thanks to your financial support, we've been able to
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- Touch people all over the world with the hope of jesus christ.
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- Your gifts today not only help us reach millions across the
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- Country through this television program, they also help us to
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- Bring hope to people and their biggest need.
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- Whether through our evangelistic events or our relief efforts,
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- Together we've been able to minister to so many people
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- Devastated by the fires in lahaina on the island of maui.
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- And also your support has helped us partner to bring medical help
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- In the ongoing conflict in israel.
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- So i'm asking you today to continue to support this
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- Ministry so we can do everything possible to fulfill
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- The great commission.
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- Let's do this together
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- And let me say in advance,
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- Thank you and god bless you.
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