Jay Sekulow - Biden Approves Use of Land Mines

December 11, 2024 | S1:E780

Jay Sekulow speaks about the protection of religious freedoms in America.

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  • - that we said it during the transition
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  • From the obama team to the trump team,
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  • We say it from the biden team to the trump team yet again.
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  • In these days in between,
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  • It can be very dangerous for the country.
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  • It can be very dangerous for our military.
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  • It can be very dangerous
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  • For the actions we are engaged in abroad.
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  • So we have seen some actions today by the icc indicting,
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  • Putting out a warrant for arrest
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  • Of prime minister netanyahu of israel.
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  • We'll discuss that and we'll go to our office
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  • In israel later on in the broadcast today, but first,
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  • Landmines from the united states being sent to ukraine.
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  • Now this is by the biden administration.
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  • It's a policy shift in their last 60 days
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  • In their administration.
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  • While they know they've got an incoming administration
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  • That wants to handle the ukraine-russia situation
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  • And try to bring it to a close
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  • So lest people lose arms and legs and their lives,
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  • They are now shipping landmines out to the ukrainians.
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  • Now this is interesting because,
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  • When joe biden came into office,
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  • He actually had a program in june of 2022.
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  • Four months after the start of the war in ukraine,
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  • Biden announced that they
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  • Would not use any anti-personnel mines.
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  • That's how they wanna call them now.
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  • They don't wanna use landmines anymore, i guess.
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  • They don't want to evoke princess diana
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  • And the idea of going through countries
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  • And having to remove those landmines.
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  • If you've been to israel,
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  • If you've been to parts of the world
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  • Where landmines were used, there are still no go zones
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  • Because there are still areas that were mined
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  • That have not been cleared
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  • And are too dangerous to be cleared.
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  • So that is a real issue.
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  • So the fact is, okay, the biden administration
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  • Was going to destroy and curtail the use
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  • Of anti-personnel mines worldwide,
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  • That we no longer develop them, we no longer export them.
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  • They have now reversed this decision
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  • With just less than two months to go in office,
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  • And ben ferguson,
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  • Who is joining us today from "the verdict,"
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  • And you see him on "outnumbered" as well
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  • And from "the ben ferguson show,"
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  • And ben, they've got two months left,
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  • And now we're shipping landmines to ukraine so we can,
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  • I guess, take arms and legs off of russian soldiers
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  • 'cause that'll make it a lot easier
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  • To bring this conflict to a close.
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  • - you know, it's amazing when you saw donald trump meeting
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  • With joe biden.
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  • He said, "we want a smooth transition of power.
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  • We wanna be here to make sure everything goes well.
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  • We listen to the american people,"
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  • And now what are they saying?
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  • They're like, "and we're also gonna try
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  • To hand you world war iii."
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  • That's what this is.
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  • You're trying to hand a dumpster's fire
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  • To the trump administration,
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  • Things that you don't believe in.
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  • I don't believe they believed in this 'cause if they did,
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  • They would've done it 1,000 days ago or 500 days ago.
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  • This has been going on for, what, i mean, a very long time,
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  • And it was something that, when it first started,
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  • This conflict between russia and ukraine, you had,
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  • "all right, we'll wrap it up quickly.
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  • Oh, we're gonna, you know, do this diplomatically."
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  • None of that worked, and now they say,
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  • "okay, here's everything you want
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  • That we said would escalate the situation."
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  • This is an administration that said they were going
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  • To deescalate, yet they send unlimited dollars to ukraine,
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  • And they say, "here's more weaponry.
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  • Here are things that put you into an actual world war,"
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  • And i think this is honestly just hoping on the day
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  • That donald trump is sworn in january the 20th,
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  • That he and his foreign policy team are handed a disaster.
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  • They can then point and say, "good luck with this."
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  • - yeah, and we're 60 days out from the inauguration,
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  • And they're shipping out landmines to zelenskyy
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  • To utilize against russian troops.
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  • Do you support the us shipping out landmines to anyone?
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  • I mean, we're not using 'em for our own troops' protection.
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  • We're just shipping them off for the ukrainians
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  • To utilize against the russians.
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  • Who's gonna be placing these landmines?
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  • Is it gonna be us troops?
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  • 'cause there's a lot of us troops training those ukrainians
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  • Who now are in harm's way.
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  • Ballistic missiles are being fired, and the debate on tv is,
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  • Well, was it a mid-range ballistic missile,
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  • Or was it an intercontinental ballistic missile?
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  • Was it an icbm?
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  • Well, both are test runs to use, of course, nuclear weapons,
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  • And that is what russia is showing their capability,
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  • That they could use a hybrid nuclear weapon.
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  • Are they doing everything to prevent peace
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  • Between ukraine and russia?
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  • All right, welcome back to "sekulow."
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  • We do wanna get calls up because i think, you know,
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  • For members of our military, those who served,
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  • Many of you who probably served
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  • In conflicts where landmines were used,
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  • This is something that, i mean,
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  • The united nations has tried to make a move
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  • Because they are so dangerous
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  • Not just during conflicts but after conflicts.
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  • Children end up, you know, years after conflicts are done,
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  • Decades sometimes, and children end up stepping on them.
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  • I mean, we've had big campaigns to try
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  • And rid the world of landmines to say,
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  • "this is not something we are going to utilize."
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  • The biden administration
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  • In 2022 said they're done producing 'em,
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  • And they're gonna actually start destroying our stockpile
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  • Of landmines or whatever.
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  • I love the term that they use, anti-personnel mines,
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  • Which is even more dangerous because i think that means
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  • That there are landmines
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  • That can actually take out an entire vehicle.
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  • But now we're shipping them to ukraine.
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  • So how does russia respond, ben?
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  • They respond with a debate that's now on tv,
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  • And i love these debates.
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  • Some headlines are, "the russians have utilized an icbm
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  • For the first time, an intercontinental ballistic missile. "
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  • Now it was not armed with a nuclear warhead,
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  • But it was fired, and then others are saying,
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  • "no, no, no, it was mid-range,"
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  • So a mid-range ballistic missiles,
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  • Both of which are capable,
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  • Very capable of carrying a nuclear payload,
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  • Including a weapon that we really
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  • Haven't seen utilized on the battlefield.
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  • We have them or the russians have them.
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  • Probably the chinese have them.
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  • I don't know who else, maybe the israelis,
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  • These tactical nuclear weapons,
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  • And tactical nuclear weapons mean they have less of a,
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  • You know, of a range of disaster, of nuclear fallout.
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  • This is not how you take out an entire city,
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  • But if you were going up against a massive force
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  • Or you were trying to take out, you know,
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  • A large amount of troops or vehicles,
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  • You would utilize one of these weapons
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  • And then hope that the nuclear fallout was contained.
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  • Remember, they have been tested,
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  • But they haven't been used in warfare.
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  • The russians have just now told the world,
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  • "listen, you're gonna throw out landmines on us?
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  • You're gonna keep funding this till the very, very end
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  • And sending over us troops to train how to fire into russia?
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  • Then we're going to shoot off a couple of missiles
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  • That have got the capability of carrying nuclear weapons."
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  • - yeah, and that was the only point of this.
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  • It was to say, "you wanna go there?
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  • Get ready for this and see what happens."
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  • I was talking this morning to somebody
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  • That works in the military, and he said to me, he goes,
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  • "i don't think people understand just how close this
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  • Can take us to world war iii because if you don't think
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  • That vladimir putin would use one of these nuclear weapons,"
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  • The smaller ones, as you just described it,
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  • Against people in ukraine and say,
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  • "well, this is because we had to hit this ammunition area
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  • Or this airport or this power grid or all these troops
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  • Where zelenskyy was staging an invasion,"
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  • They'll lie, right?
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  • There's propaganda.
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  • They will lie to their people,
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  • And they will justify it to their people
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  • Why they had to use a smaller nuclear weapon.
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  • This is something, if they did it,
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  • Then how does the world react?
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  • That's the bigger question.
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  • I mean, you noticed last week
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  • That you had the german chancellor who called and said,
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  • "hey, maybe we need to dial things down a little bit,"
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  • Because do you bring in these other countries?
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  • You have russia that has just shut off a natural gas to,
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  • I think it was austria just a few days ago.
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  • This is ratcheting up to the things
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  • That happened in world war ii.
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  • - yeah, that's what they do in winter time.
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  • They get the natural gas. they try to freeze everyone out.
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  • - they're trying to freeze people to death.
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  • I mean, this is about freezing people to death,
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  • And if you look at what they hit last week in ukraine
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  • And hitting the power grid in ukraine,
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  • It was to make sure they can maximize civilian casualties
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  • Throughout the winter
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  • Because when you don't have electricity
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  • And you don't have the power and you don't have the gas,
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  • People literally freeze to death.
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  • We saw this last winter, we saw it the winter before,
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  • And now they're saying, "we'll do it on a larger scale,
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  • And there's no one that can save you."
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  • - yeah, i wanna go to this
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  • Because this is democrat jason crow.
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  • He's a congressman from colorado, and he disagrees strongly.
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  • He's a veteran, i think, with the biden administration.
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  • Take a listen or watch it. fight number two.
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  • - and on the landmine thing,
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  • I disagree with that decision as well.
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  • I think it would be setting a dangerous precedent.
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  • There's an anti-landmine treaty.
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  • These are weapons that united states should be leading
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  • To prevent the use of around the world,
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  • And i just don't like the idea
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  • Of that precedent being set here
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  • And creating permission for that.
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  • - so you think this is a bad idea
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  • That the president is doing this?
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  • Just to make sure i've got that.
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  • - i do disagree with that.
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  • Yeah. i mean, i'm very clear about that.
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  • I have pushed against the use of these weapons,
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  • And i think the united states should be leading
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  • To help prohibit the use of these weapons around the world,
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  • Not enabling it. - i thought we were.
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  • I knew again that there are ieds and things like that
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  • That were used in iraq and afghanistan,
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  • And those were developed by the iranians typically
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  • To take out our humvees and other troop patrols,
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  • And they were very deadly,
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  • And that's why we say that the iranians have blood
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  • On their hands from many conflicts we've been involved in.
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  • But now we're shipping 'em out,
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  • And i think when we're shipping 'em out to,
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  • And the biden administration,
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  • I say we because it is the us government,
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  • And trump owns that when he comes into office
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  • And the trump team,
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  • And if they're already getting distributed-
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  • - how do you pull 'em back? - right. how do you pull 'em?
  • 00:09:52.529 --> 00:09:54.798
  • - and that's- - and what do you tell putin?
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  • That we're gonna go in there and demine it?
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  • I mean that, first of all, which is a process that, again,
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  • If you've traveled any places in the world,
  • 00:10:00.771 --> 00:10:03.006
  • They are still having issues
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  • With going back to world war ii.
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  • - and you also have the question of,
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  • If you hand this to zelenskyy's guys
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  • And they decide to put them out,
  • 00:10:10.147 --> 00:10:12.149
  • Are they gonna listen to us going,
  • 00:10:12.149 --> 00:10:13.684
  • "hey, you know, those weapons we sent you the other day?
  • 00:10:13.684 --> 00:10:15.385
  • Hey, we don't want you to use them anymore."
  • 00:10:15.385 --> 00:10:18.222
  • They could easily just lie and say,
  • 00:10:19.022 --> 00:10:20.357
  • "sorry, we've already deployed all of them,"
  • 00:10:20.357 --> 00:10:21.458
  • Even though they actually have not,
  • 00:10:21.458 --> 00:10:22.926
  • And that is where this is all about a dumpster fire.
  • 00:10:22.926 --> 00:10:26.063
  • This is the democratic party,
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  • And i'm waiting for all of the democrats
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  • Who are sensible and responsible
  • 00:10:29.133 --> 00:10:30.901
  • To stand up and say to this white house,
  • 00:10:30.901 --> 00:10:33.237
  • "this is not what we believe in, this is wrong,"
  • 00:10:33.237 --> 00:10:36.840
  • And starts saying no to this.
  • 00:10:37.474 --> 00:10:39.009
  • But notice it's basically crickets because this is about,
  • 00:10:39.009 --> 00:10:42.312
  • "we wanna hurt donald trump when he goes into office.
  • 00:10:42.312 --> 00:10:44.448
  • We wanna saddle him with a new conflict
  • 00:10:44.448 --> 00:10:47.184
  • And a new war that takes him off his domestic agenda,
  • 00:10:47.184 --> 00:10:50.320
  • And we don't care who dies in the process,"
  • 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:53.724
  • And people will die because of these decisions,
  • 00:10:53.724 --> 00:10:55.926
  • And they know that.
  • 00:10:55.926 --> 00:10:57.194
  • - yeah, and what they are trying to do,
  • 00:10:57.194 --> 00:10:58.729
  • What you say with the domestic politics is exactly right.
  • 00:10:58.729 --> 00:11:00.430
  • You know, they don't wanna talk about those.
  • 00:11:00.430 --> 00:11:01.932
  • They don't wanna talk about cutting federal spending.
  • 00:11:01.932 --> 00:11:03.967
  • They don't wanna talk about improving the economy,
  • 00:11:03.967 --> 00:11:05.836
  • Getting outta this inflation,
  • 00:11:05.836 --> 00:11:07.504
  • And getting people back to work, but also,
  • 00:11:07.504 --> 00:11:10.808
  • Just the fact that only 17% of the federal workforce
  • 00:11:11.875 --> 00:11:15.679
  • Is going into an office right now,
  • 00:11:15.679 --> 00:11:17.614
  • If you've gotten calls from any
  • 00:11:17.614 --> 00:11:19.082
  • Of these federal agencies- - can you say that again?
  • 00:11:19.082 --> 00:11:20.083
  • Can you say that- - 17%.
  • 00:11:20.083 --> 00:11:21.218
  • - i think people need to understand.
  • 00:11:21.218 --> 00:11:22.119
  • So you got 100 employees,
  • 00:11:22.119 --> 00:11:23.420
  • Only 17 of them are going into the office.
  • 00:11:23.420 --> 00:11:25.589
  • - yes, and the federal government has hundreds
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  • Of thousands of them.
  • 00:11:27.124 --> 00:11:28.692
  • So imagine at like hhs and all of those places you drive by
  • 00:11:28.692 --> 00:11:31.562
  • When you're in washington dc, department of education,
  • 00:11:31.562 --> 00:11:34.198
  • All the ones that they'd like to cut or completely take,
  • 00:11:34.198 --> 00:11:36.466
  • You know, cut down to nothing eventually,
  • 00:11:36.466 --> 00:11:39.236
  • There's no one going in.
  • 00:11:39.236 --> 00:11:40.704
  • I mean, literally there's people that are, i guess,
  • 00:11:40.704 --> 00:11:42.206
  • Going in that have to to like turn something on.
  • 00:11:42.206 --> 00:11:45.242
  • This is why if you've been like contacted by the irs,
  • 00:11:45.242 --> 00:11:47.477
  • Even for like a normal thing, if you listen closely,
  • 00:11:47.477 --> 00:11:50.948
  • You'll hear like a dog in the background
  • 00:11:50.948 --> 00:11:52.416
  • Or kids in the background,
  • 00:11:52.416 --> 00:11:53.650
  • And that's because - calling from home.
  • 00:11:53.650 --> 00:11:54.985
  • - the agents are doing their work from home.
  • 00:11:54.985 --> 00:11:56.520
  • They're asking, you know, can you fax something to them?
  • 00:11:56.520 --> 00:11:58.455
  • Or they're using their gmail, and you're like,
  • 00:11:58.455 --> 00:12:00.357
  • "wait, i'm gonna send irs, send tax documents to gmail?
  • 00:12:00.357 --> 00:12:02.993
  • Is this even what i'm supposed to be doing?"
  • 00:12:02.993 --> 00:12:05.796
  • Covid does, it's not a problem anymore,
  • 00:12:06.630 --> 00:12:09.166
  • And yet no one went back to work,
  • 00:12:09.166 --> 00:12:10.667
  • And this is, again, part of-
  • 00:12:10.667 --> 00:12:12.769
  • - go back to '16, and you guys experienced this.
  • 00:12:13.737 --> 00:12:16.340
  • What did they do after donald trump was elected?
  • 00:12:16.340 --> 00:12:18.275
  • They immediately said, "we're gonna go steele dossier.
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  • We're gonna impeach him.
  • 00:12:20.210 --> 00:12:21.578
  • We're gonna straddle him with," what was the issue?
  • 00:12:21.578 --> 00:12:23.380
  • Russia, and it worked. it got him off his game.
  • 00:12:23.380 --> 00:12:26.750
  • It got him distracted because you had to be distracted
  • 00:12:26.750 --> 00:12:30.020
  • When they're trying to impeach you.
  • 00:12:30.020 --> 00:12:31.421
  • You guys were involved in that in defending him.
  • 00:12:31.421 --> 00:12:33.757
  • - we were the attorneys for the mueller investigation,
  • 00:12:33.757 --> 00:12:36.159
  • And then when mueller was done, it had nothing,
  • 00:12:36.159 --> 00:12:38.028
  • And, you know, there was nothing to do.
  • 00:12:38.028 --> 00:12:40.130
  • Then they didn't- - and it worked.
  • 00:12:40.130 --> 00:12:41.531
  • - that was immediately they switched to ukraine,
  • 00:12:41.531 --> 00:12:43.934
  • And it was ukraine.
  • 00:12:43.934 --> 00:12:45.402
  • It was the phone call. - the perfect phone call.
  • 00:12:45.402 --> 00:12:46.770
  • - so we're gonna impeach someone over a phone call
  • 00:12:46.770 --> 00:12:48.605
  • Where he said, "hey, you know, we've had these issues
  • 00:12:48.605 --> 00:12:51.108
  • With hunter biden, joe biden, and the ukraine."
  • 00:12:51.108 --> 00:12:53.844
  • - [ben] and burisma.
  • 00:12:53.844 --> 00:12:55.345
  • - "this is something you should look at," and, of course,
  • 00:12:55.345 --> 00:12:56.713
  • Now we know you should've, but we did impeach him,
  • 00:12:56.713 --> 00:12:58.248
  • And then he got impeached when he wasn't even president.
  • 00:12:58.248 --> 00:13:00.217
  • - i mean, so-
  • 00:13:00.217 --> 00:13:01.485
  • - and you go back to that, and it worked.
  • 00:13:01.485 --> 00:13:02.753
  • It worked so well in '16, and it worked.
  • 00:13:02.753 --> 00:13:06.256
  • - democrat are hoping if they can get the house back
  • 00:13:06.256 --> 00:13:08.492
  • In a couple years, that's what they'll start again.
  • 00:13:08.492 --> 00:13:10.928
  • - and they'll straddle - we can't deal with him
  • 00:13:10.928 --> 00:13:12.462
  • - and they'll deal with him. - these first couple years.
  • 00:13:12.462 --> 00:13:13.997
  • - they'll have him pinned down in a world iii scenario.
  • 00:13:13.997 --> 00:13:15.699
  • - that he doesn't want, so he's gonna, again,
  • 00:13:15.699 --> 00:13:18.602
  • You'll have to bring in a whole new different team of people
  • 00:13:18.602 --> 00:13:20.971
  • And trust these military guys that, again,
  • 00:13:20.971 --> 00:13:23.373
  • He has had issues with because of iraq and afghanistan,
  • 00:13:23.373 --> 00:13:27.210
  • "the endless wars," as he calls them,
  • 00:13:27.210 --> 00:13:29.046
  • And it looks like they're trying to create another one right
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  • Before he comes into office,
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  • One that there are ways to see out of this conflict.
  • 00:13:33.317 --> 00:13:36.720
  • There were ways to see
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  • How to get outta this conflict a year ago,
  • 00:13:38.021 --> 00:13:41.491
  • And yet we've kept ratcheting it up
  • 00:13:41.491 --> 00:13:43.827
  • Instead of trying to put a deal together
  • 00:13:43.827 --> 00:13:47.831
  • That gives zelenskyy a way to walk away and putin a way.
  • 00:13:47.831 --> 00:13:51.301
  • He can walk away - to save face.
  • 00:13:51.301 --> 00:13:52.569
  • - and tell his people whatever.
  • 00:13:52.569 --> 00:13:53.937
  • - they won. - they're not gonna know,
  • 00:13:53.937 --> 00:13:55.305
  • And by the way, zelenskyy,
  • 00:13:55.305 --> 00:13:57.507
  • His people stops the destruction ukraine.
  • 00:13:57.507 --> 00:14:00.010
  • They gotta rebuild.
  • 00:14:00.010 --> 00:14:01.311
  • There's lots of us companies
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  • That want those contracts to rebuild.
  • 00:14:02.512 --> 00:14:04.648
  • Let 'em rebuild.
  • 00:14:04.648 --> 00:14:05.782
  • - well, you look at the phone calls,
  • 00:14:05.782 --> 00:14:07.184
  • And if you look at the calls that were going out
  • 00:14:07.184 --> 00:14:09.119
  • From the trump transition team,
  • 00:14:09.119 --> 00:14:10.687
  • It was very clear they were calling everyone in conflicts,
  • 00:14:10.687 --> 00:14:13.123
  • Whether it was israel, whether it is russia,
  • 00:14:13.123 --> 00:14:15.892
  • Whether it's ukraine, saying,
  • 00:14:15.892 --> 00:14:17.494
  • "hey, we wanna dial everything back when we get into office.
  • 00:14:17.494 --> 00:14:21.064
  • That is our foreign policy,"
  • 00:14:21.064 --> 00:14:23.066
  • And so the game that was played
  • 00:14:23.066 --> 00:14:25.769
  • Was the democrats immediately said, "no, no, no."
  • 00:14:25.769 --> 00:14:27.838
  • If that's what you want, whether it's the right policy
  • 00:14:27.838 --> 00:14:30.407
  • For the world or for the united states of america
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  • Or even respecting the voters,"
  • 00:14:32.342 --> 00:14:33.744
  • And the voters need to realize this right now
  • 00:14:33.744 --> 00:14:35.545
  • More than ever before.
  • 00:14:35.545 --> 00:14:36.947
  • The democratic party does not respect your vote,
  • 00:14:36.947 --> 00:14:40.717
  • They do not respect who you voted for,
  • 00:14:40.717 --> 00:14:43.020
  • And they are going to do everything they can
  • 00:14:43.020 --> 00:14:44.654
  • To undermine donald trump every day in washington.
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  • - breaking news.
  • 00:14:47.190 --> 00:14:48.592
  • Also, the icc, the international criminal court,
  • 00:14:48.592 --> 00:14:50.360
  • Where we've argued before, has just issued an arrest warrant
  • 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:53.497
  • For israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu.
  • 00:14:53.497 --> 00:14:56.299
  • This is not only outrageous and illegal,
  • 00:14:56.299 --> 00:14:58.902
  • It violates international law, and, again, the oslo accords.
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  • We'll get into some of that.
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  • All right. welcome back to "sekulow."
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  • We are taking your calls.
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  • Let's go to mary in maryland on line three.
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  • Hey, mary, welcome to "sekulow." you're on the air.
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  • - [mary] thank you very much. i'm just concerned.
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  • And i was wondering if there was any way that the senate
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  • And or the house, i don't know how that works,
  • 00:15:28.116 --> 00:15:31.052
  • But whoever could do it (laughs) would do it
  • 00:15:31.052 --> 00:15:33.855
  • Since some of the democrats are against this move
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  • By biden for the landmines, if they couldn't
  • 00:15:37.825 --> 00:15:41.329
  • Demand an immediate emergency medical mental exam
  • 00:15:41.329 --> 00:15:46.033
  • For biden 'cause he's- - he's on the way out.
  • 00:15:46.033 --> 00:15:49.537
  • You're kind of saying like, "who's running this?"
  • 00:15:49.537 --> 00:15:50.838
  • The problem is they've authorized the funding,
  • 00:15:50.838 --> 00:15:53.307
  • And when they've authorized the funding,
  • 00:15:53.307 --> 00:15:54.909
  • Then the funding gets to be utilized
  • 00:15:54.909 --> 00:15:56.711
  • By president biden and his team.
  • 00:15:56.711 --> 00:15:59.180
  • I'm not saying he's necessarily going
  • 00:15:59.180 --> 00:16:00.681
  • And picking out and choosing all these things to do,
  • 00:16:00.681 --> 00:16:02.817
  • But this is a big reversal
  • 00:16:02.817 --> 00:16:04.085
  • On just the landmine issue to say-
  • 00:16:04.085 --> 00:16:07.054
  • - he wouldn't have gotten the funding,
  • 00:16:07.054 --> 00:16:08.322
  • I don't believe, if they would've said,
  • 00:16:08.322 --> 00:16:09.790
  • "this is gonna be used - well, could you imagine them
  • 00:16:09.790 --> 00:16:10.925
  • For landmines." - going to congress
  • 00:16:10.925 --> 00:16:11.859
  • And saying to the democrats,
  • 00:16:11.859 --> 00:16:13.427
  • The democrats who were gonna have to be up for reelection,
  • 00:16:13.427 --> 00:16:14.929
  • All of the house members, many of the senate members.
  • 00:16:14.929 --> 00:16:16.564
  • It was tough, which they lost the senate,
  • 00:16:16.564 --> 00:16:19.000
  • And they lost the white house,
  • 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:21.102
  • If they were going to add to that campaign
  • 00:16:21.102 --> 00:16:22.803
  • That they wanna be the party who brings landmines
  • 00:16:22.803 --> 00:16:25.473
  • - landmines. - back to conflicts.
  • 00:16:25.473 --> 00:16:26.707
  • - you and i were talking during the break.
  • 00:16:26.707 --> 00:16:28.242
  • This was a cnn headline, just to put it in perspective,
  • 00:16:28.242 --> 00:16:30.945
  • About how dangerous landmines are.
  • 00:16:30.945 --> 00:16:32.446
  • Quote, "an unexploded american bomb from world war ii
  • 00:16:32.446 --> 00:16:35.616
  • That had been buried at a japanese airport exploded
  • 00:16:35.616 --> 00:16:39.320
  • On wednesday, causing a large crater in a taxiway
  • 00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:42.190
  • And the cancellation more than 80 flights but no injuries,
  • 00:16:42.190 --> 00:16:45.159
  • Japanese officials said."
  • 00:16:45.159 --> 00:16:47.461
  • This is a american landmine we used in world war ii
  • 00:16:47.461 --> 00:16:50.565
  • That just exploded a week ago.
  • 00:16:50.565 --> 00:16:53.000
  • So the idea, and i think to the caller's point,
  • 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:55.970
  • She made a great point, mary, like, can they not stop him?
  • 00:16:55.970 --> 00:16:59.073
  • I don't think democrats wanna stop him.
  • 00:16:59.073 --> 00:17:00.775
  • - i don't think they do either.
  • 00:17:00.775 --> 00:17:02.310
  • Some will say that they're against it,
  • 00:17:02.310 --> 00:17:04.478
  • But they are not against the bigger idea here, ben,
  • 00:17:04.478 --> 00:17:08.015
  • Which the bigger idea here
  • 00:17:08.015 --> 00:17:09.517
  • Is we wanna escalate this conflict so that president trump
  • 00:17:09.517 --> 00:17:12.453
  • Cannot go in as easily and negotiate a way out of this
  • 00:17:12.453 --> 00:17:17.725
  • For putin and zelenskyy that they can both accept.
  • 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:21.462
  • I think both of their people,
  • 00:17:21.462 --> 00:17:22.930
  • If you poll most of the russian people,
  • 00:17:22.930 --> 00:17:24.932
  • They would like to reenter the world again.
  • 00:17:24.932 --> 00:17:26.834
  • I mean, we had an office there for 20-plus years.
  • 00:17:26.834 --> 00:17:31.405
  • It survived during the invasion of crimea
  • 00:17:31.405 --> 00:17:34.375
  • Because the sanctions weren't put in place completely
  • 00:17:34.375 --> 00:17:37.812
  • By the obama administration.
  • 00:17:37.812 --> 00:17:39.614
  • So we didn't have to cut that office off,
  • 00:17:39.614 --> 00:17:42.283
  • But the sanctions that were put in place
  • 00:17:42.283 --> 00:17:43.985
  • When they invaded ukraine this time, by the way,
  • 00:17:43.985 --> 00:17:46.687
  • Nothing happened in the trump administration.
  • 00:17:46.687 --> 00:17:48.856
  • So, you know, no invasions of russia by russia then.
  • 00:17:48.856 --> 00:17:51.959
  • Then they go into the full invasion ukraine
  • 00:17:51.959 --> 00:17:53.394
  • When biden takes president,
  • 00:17:53.394 --> 00:17:54.729
  • But, you know, we had to cut off.
  • 00:17:54.729 --> 00:17:56.497
  • I mean, so after 20-plus years of work
  • 00:17:56.497 --> 00:17:59.000
  • In a post-communist russia,
  • 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:01.435
  • The slavic center for law and justice
  • 00:18:01.435 --> 00:18:03.437
  • Has been able to survive some on its own,
  • 00:18:03.437 --> 00:18:06.107
  • But i think most russians would like to rejoin the world.
  • 00:18:06.107 --> 00:18:08.442
  • Most ukrainians would like to stop this conflict
  • 00:18:08.442 --> 00:18:10.911
  • That they didn't even want with their russian neighbors,
  • 00:18:10.911 --> 00:18:14.215
  • Many of which are, i mean,
  • 00:18:14.215 --> 00:18:15.850
  • This is like family versus family,
  • 00:18:16.617 --> 00:18:17.618
  • A lot of these fights, too,
  • 00:18:17.618 --> 00:18:19.153
  • Especially when you get towards the eastern side of ukraine.
  • 00:18:19.153 --> 00:18:20.788
  • - well, the number of casualties,
  • 00:18:20.788 --> 00:18:23.391
  • Russia has lied about that,
  • 00:18:23.391 --> 00:18:25.026
  • And there's been a lot of disinformation.
  • 00:18:25.026 --> 00:18:27.094
  • But if you look at the number-
  • 00:18:27.094 --> 00:18:28.529
  • - the mothers know, the families know,
  • 00:18:28.529 --> 00:18:29.864
  • And you can see that- - they know,
  • 00:18:29.864 --> 00:18:31.165
  • And that's where i think there's a genuine want
  • 00:18:31.165 --> 00:18:33.701
  • By the people in russia, "can we please stop this?
  • 00:18:33.701 --> 00:18:36.470
  • Because this doesn't make any sense,
  • 00:18:36.470 --> 00:18:38.639
  • And it doesn't make any sense
  • 00:18:38.639 --> 00:18:39.907
  • To our family and friends in ukraine.
  • 00:18:39.907 --> 00:18:41.442
  • It doesn't make any sense why you're trying to do this
  • 00:18:41.442 --> 00:18:43.778
  • For the rest of the world,"
  • 00:18:43.778 --> 00:18:45.313
  • And they wanna reenter the world, as you described it.
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  • - yeah, i think, again, we see ways out of this,
  • 00:18:47.114 --> 00:18:51.852
  • But every biden decision,
  • 00:18:51.852 --> 00:18:53.921
  • Or let's just say every biden white house,
  • 00:18:53.921 --> 00:18:56.390
  • Every decision they're making in these next 60 days
  • 00:18:56.390 --> 00:19:00.394
  • Is going to make it more difficult for president trump
  • 00:19:00.394 --> 00:19:03.631
  • To be able to end this conflict quickly.
  • 00:19:03.631 --> 00:19:06.434
  • Now i think he's gonna use creative ways.
  • 00:19:06.434 --> 00:19:08.569
  • He's gonna have to look at every one of these situations,
  • 00:19:08.569 --> 00:19:10.938
  • And we know this is on the top of his list to do
  • 00:19:10.938 --> 00:19:13.174
  • Because it's the only real hot war in the world right now.
  • 00:19:13.174 --> 00:19:17.111
  • Of course, you've still got the actions going on in gaza,
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  • And we're gonna talk about that right now with the icc.
  • 00:19:20.281 --> 00:19:24.385
  • Again, so if you woke up to the news,
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  • And you may have said, "well, is this new, jordan?
  • 00:19:27.321 --> 00:19:28.956
  • Is it really new that the international criminal court
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  • Has issued an arrest warrant
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  • Against prime minister benjamin netanyahu
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  • And the former defense minister of israel?"
  • 00:19:35.496 --> 00:19:37.732
  • They only issued it against one member of hamas
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  • Because the other two that would've actually been,
  • 00:19:40.468 --> 00:19:44.672
  • The other two they would have issued the warrants against
  • 00:19:44.672 --> 00:19:46.407
  • Are no longer with us.
  • 00:19:46.407 --> 00:19:47.908
  • Ismael haniyeh and sinwar. - yeah, they're deceased.
  • 00:19:47.908 --> 00:19:50.211
  • - yeah, yahya sinwar and ismael haniyeh,
  • 00:19:50.211 --> 00:19:51.812
  • You're no longer with us, but their minister of defense is.
  • 00:19:51.812 --> 00:19:54.548
  • So they did issue a warrant for him,
  • 00:19:54.548 --> 00:19:57.118
  • But hamas is praising this action, of course, and-
  • 00:19:57.118 --> 00:20:00.221
  • - and by the way, that guy's not trying to travel
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  • And do international diplomacy the way that israel is.
  • 00:20:01.922 --> 00:20:04.825
  • - he's living in tunnels. - and let's-
  • 00:20:04.825 --> 00:20:06.660
  • - probably not even in gaza anymore.
  • 00:20:06.660 --> 00:20:08.896
  • - let's paint a picture. - at least what we know.
  • 00:20:08.896 --> 00:20:11.232
  • - yeah, he's hiding out.
  • 00:20:11.232 --> 00:20:12.833
  • Let's paint this picture, and i wanna ask you this, jordan,
  • 00:20:12.833 --> 00:20:14.335
  • 'cause i think this is important for people to understand.
  • 00:20:14.335 --> 00:20:16.303
  • When you have an icc-issued arrest warrant
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  • And you are an actual leader of a country like israel,
  • 00:20:20.441 --> 00:20:24.645
  • It is clearly to handcuff you and to put you, in essence,
  • 00:20:25.813 --> 00:20:28.582
  • A jail where you cannot travel to many parts of the world
  • 00:20:28.582 --> 00:20:32.286
  • That you desperately need to travel to
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  • As a world figure head. - yeah.
  • 00:20:33.888 --> 00:20:36.090
  • It treats you as almost a criminal already because yes,
  • 00:20:36.090 --> 00:20:41.962
  • You are a prisoner in at least your own country,
  • 00:20:42.930 --> 00:20:46.000
  • Especially when you are surrounded by mostly enemies.
  • 00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:49.970
  • I mean, now israel has made new diplomatic deals
  • 00:20:49.970 --> 00:20:54.708
  • Through the abraham accords and, i think,
  • 00:20:54.708 --> 00:20:56.243
  • Through the trump administration
  • 00:20:56.243 --> 00:20:57.645
  • In the second round of the trump administration.
  • 00:20:57.645 --> 00:20:59.480
  • Those deals will be even more important for israel,
  • 00:20:59.480 --> 00:21:02.216
  • But right now, imagine this.
  • 00:21:02.216 --> 00:21:03.417
  • If you're benjamin netanyahu
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  • And you think you needed to go to europe,
  • 00:21:05.152 --> 00:21:07.254
  • Most european countries are members of the icc.
  • 00:21:07.254 --> 00:21:09.857
  • They would be under an obligation to arrest you when you-
  • 00:21:09.857 --> 00:21:12.860
  • - [ben] and turn you over to the hague.
  • 00:21:12.860 --> 00:21:15.129
  • - now, are they definitely going to do that? no.
  • 00:21:15.129 --> 00:21:18.232
  • Could you negotiate out that they're not going to
  • 00:21:18.232 --> 00:21:20.668
  • And you're gonna still be allowed to, you know,
  • 00:21:20.668 --> 00:21:22.503
  • Attend this meeting or event or speech?
  • 00:21:22.503 --> 00:21:24.472
  • But then you're going to rely on that government,
  • 00:21:24.472 --> 00:21:27.274
  • And you have to rely- - to not double cross you.
  • 00:21:28.275 --> 00:21:29.944
  • - right, to not double cross you
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  • Or that your plane doesn't have, you know,
  • 00:21:31.178 --> 00:21:33.214
  • Some kind of issue and you've gotta land somewhere
  • 00:21:33.214 --> 00:21:35.049
  • And then you land there.
  • 00:21:35.049 --> 00:21:36.183
  • I mean, this does cause trouble.
  • 00:21:36.183 --> 00:21:37.751
  • It causes problems internationally and diplomatically,
  • 00:21:37.751 --> 00:21:40.654
  • And, by the way,
  • 00:21:40.654 --> 00:21:42.189
  • The reason why the icc hasn't done it before is because,
  • 00:21:42.189 --> 00:21:45.359
  • Even in the oslo accords when palestine
  • 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:49.463
  • Was somehow recognized and they let them join the icc,
  • 00:21:49.463 --> 00:21:53.434
  • They still said very clearly that the palestinians
  • 00:21:53.434 --> 00:21:58.172
  • And the icc have no jurisdiction over,
  • 00:21:58.172 --> 00:22:02.309
  • They cannot assert jurisdiction over israelis.
  • 00:22:02.309 --> 00:22:04.912
  • That means that they can refer cases to the icc.
  • 00:22:04.912 --> 00:22:08.148
  • So you've got all this international law telling the icc,
  • 00:22:08.148 --> 00:22:10.985
  • "you can't do this.
  • 00:22:10.985 --> 00:22:12.353
  • We filed this over a year ago when this conflict,"
  • 00:22:12.353 --> 00:22:15.322
  • You know, over much more over a year ago now,
  • 00:22:15.322 --> 00:22:17.525
  • When this conflict began,
  • 00:22:17.525 --> 00:22:18.959
  • After what happened on october 7th,
  • 00:22:18.959 --> 00:22:20.661
  • And you would think in the world
  • 00:22:20.661 --> 00:22:23.063
  • That the people who would be most worried
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  • About an international criminal court
  • 00:22:24.698 --> 00:22:27.134
  • Would be the hama rapists and murders.
  • 00:22:27.134 --> 00:22:29.503
  • - yeah, not netanyahu. - i mean,
  • 00:22:29.503 --> 00:22:30.604
  • I'm still wearing a yellow ribbon
  • 00:22:30.604 --> 00:22:32.072
  • Because there's still americans being held hostage,
  • 00:22:32.072 --> 00:22:33.974
  • For god's sakes, in gaza.
  • 00:22:33.974 --> 00:22:36.844
  • But who's having to worry about being arrested
  • 00:22:36.844 --> 00:22:39.947
  • And going to the hague for the international criminal court?
  • 00:22:39.947 --> 00:22:42.149
  • It's the jews.
  • 00:22:42.149 --> 00:22:43.117
  • It's the israelis - it's-
  • 00:22:43.117 --> 00:22:44.285
  • - who are only fighting this battle
  • 00:22:44.285 --> 00:22:46.153
  • Because of what hamas did on october 7th.
  • 00:22:46.153 --> 00:22:48.522
  • They would not be in gaza.
  • 00:22:48.522 --> 00:22:49.957
  • This conflict would not have been going on.
  • 00:22:49.957 --> 00:22:51.892
  • No one was interested in starting a new conflict with hamas,
  • 00:22:51.892 --> 00:22:54.762
  • Including netanyahu.
  • 00:22:54.762 --> 00:22:55.829
  • Go back and look at his speeches.
  • 00:22:55.829 --> 00:22:57.765
  • He was trying to say, "you know what?
  • 00:22:58.532 --> 00:23:00.034
  • They don't look like they're bothering us right now.
  • 00:23:00.034 --> 00:23:01.535
  • Let's not bother them," and they planned this attack.
  • 00:23:01.535 --> 00:23:04.705
  • Israel has to respond. there are still americans there.
  • 00:23:04.705 --> 00:23:07.641
  • There's still hostages there,
  • 00:23:07.641 --> 00:23:08.876
  • And yet they are the criminals.
  • 00:23:08.876 --> 00:23:10.010
  • - and make no mistake.
  • 00:23:10.010 --> 00:23:11.312
  • The icc, this is clearly an anti-semitic move.
  • 00:23:11.312 --> 00:23:14.982
  • - i want to take us quickly to israel.
  • 00:23:14.982 --> 00:23:17.518
  • Jeff ballabon, who's our director of aclj jerusalem,
  • 00:23:17.518 --> 00:23:20.321
  • Is in israel right now.
  • 00:23:20.321 --> 00:23:21.889
  • Jeff, your reaction to these icc arrest warrants
  • 00:23:21.889 --> 00:23:25.759
  • On netanyahu and the former defense minister,
  • 00:23:25.759 --> 00:23:28.963
  • Hamas, i think their one surviving minister of defense
  • 00:23:28.963 --> 00:23:33.100
  • Was also indicted, though they think this is a great move.
  • 00:23:33.100 --> 00:23:36.904
  • We've been explaining to people
  • 00:23:36.904 --> 00:23:38.238
  • Why this is an illegal move by the icc.
  • 00:23:38.238 --> 00:23:40.975
  • We've already filed this at the icc once,
  • 00:23:40.975 --> 00:23:43.644
  • That they lack jurisdiction here,
  • 00:23:43.644 --> 00:23:45.613
  • But the icc has now decided to ignore those laws,
  • 00:23:45.613 --> 00:23:49.617
  • To ignore the rules, and i think it's time for the us
  • 00:23:49.617 --> 00:23:52.486
  • And israel's other allies to do what senator thune said they
  • 00:23:52.486 --> 00:23:55.856
  • Will do if democrats don't do,
  • 00:23:55.856 --> 00:23:57.157
  • Which is take action against the icc,
  • 00:23:57.157 --> 00:24:00.094
  • Which would mean sanctions with organizations
  • 00:24:00.094 --> 00:24:01.929
  • Who work with them as well as banning them
  • 00:24:01.929 --> 00:24:03.764
  • From travel to the us and maybe some other countries.
  • 00:24:03.764 --> 00:24:07.167
  • - jordan, this is incredibly important,
  • 00:24:08.035 --> 00:24:10.237
  • But i feel as though as many of enemies
  • 00:24:10.237 --> 00:24:12.840
  • Of just basic good are happening in the world,
  • 00:24:12.840 --> 00:24:15.709
  • They're self emulating.
  • 00:24:15.709 --> 00:24:17.111
  • They're really burning themselves up
  • 00:24:17.111 --> 00:24:18.946
  • Because by taking this action as opposed to, you know,
  • 00:24:18.946 --> 00:24:21.548
  • They're treating the good guys who are trying
  • 00:24:21.548 --> 00:24:23.384
  • To defend themselves as though they're the bad guys.
  • 00:24:23.384 --> 00:24:25.819
  • No country in modern recorded history has ever waged a war
  • 00:24:25.819 --> 00:24:29.790
  • With fewer non-combatant casualties, and indeed,
  • 00:24:29.790 --> 00:24:34.328
  • No country has ever faced this kind of a dug-in enemy
  • 00:24:34.328 --> 00:24:37.364
  • That uses a population as shields, and nonetheless,
  • 00:24:37.364 --> 00:24:42.703
  • The idf takes more care to prevent civilian casualties
  • 00:24:43.804 --> 00:24:45.806
  • Or non-combatant casualties than any army
  • 00:24:45.806 --> 00:24:49.043
  • On planet earth probably in recorded history.
  • 00:24:49.043 --> 00:24:51.078
  • And yet the icc is pursuing these claims against them,
  • 00:24:51.078 --> 00:24:55.182
  • And i believe that the incoming congress,
  • 00:24:55.182 --> 00:24:57.885
  • Along with the president, will do a great deal, hopefully,
  • 00:24:57.885 --> 00:25:02.056
  • To show, they've really savaged themselves, jordan.
  • 00:25:02.056 --> 00:25:05.426
  • So, yes, in israel here, this is being met with some degree
  • 00:25:05.426 --> 00:25:08.462
  • Of chagrin, concern, shock, horror,
  • 00:25:08.462 --> 00:25:10.431
  • But the truth is nobody suspects for a second
  • 00:25:10.431 --> 00:25:13.600
  • That this challenges the morality
  • 00:25:13.600 --> 00:25:16.003
  • And the decency and legality of israel.
  • 00:25:16.003 --> 00:25:18.572
  • It challenges the morality,
  • 00:25:18.572 --> 00:25:19.707
  • Decency, and legality of the icc,
  • 00:25:19.707 --> 00:25:22.109
  • And god willing, the new administration,
  • 00:25:22.109 --> 00:25:25.379
  • New congress will hopefully end this reign
  • 00:25:25.379 --> 00:25:28.282
  • Of terror against the jewish people.
  • 00:25:28.282 --> 00:25:29.783
  • - yeah, i mean, we've heard from the leadership
  • 00:25:29.783 --> 00:25:32.553
  • Of the new congress coming in
  • 00:25:32.553 --> 00:25:34.254
  • That they will put sanctions in place.
  • 00:25:34.254 --> 00:25:35.622
  • They want the sanctions in place now,
  • 00:25:35.622 --> 00:25:36.924
  • But if it's not done in these next 60 days
  • 00:25:36.924 --> 00:25:39.526
  • By senate democrats, and house republicans,
  • 00:25:39.526 --> 00:25:43.097
  • Of course, could work on that,
  • 00:25:43.097 --> 00:25:44.398
  • But they're not gonna be able to get it there
  • 00:25:44.398 --> 00:25:45.566
  • If the senate democrats oppose it,
  • 00:25:45.566 --> 00:25:47.501
  • That they will do it immediately,
  • 00:25:47.501 --> 00:25:49.636
  • And that would freeze icc organizations in the us
  • 00:25:49.636 --> 00:25:53.741
  • That have funds in the us from supporting the icc.
  • 00:25:53.741 --> 00:25:57.244
  • You could also ban the icc team from travel to the us
  • 00:25:57.244 --> 00:26:01.982
  • And work with some allies to ban them from traveling there.
  • 00:26:01.982 --> 00:26:05.352
  • - i do think, and, i mean, i hope and pray,
  • 00:26:05.352 --> 00:26:07.054
  • But i also think that the icc
  • 00:26:07.054 --> 00:26:08.455
  • Has essentially signed its own irrelevancy warrant,
  • 00:26:08.455 --> 00:26:12.626
  • Let's call it, by this action.
  • 00:26:12.626 --> 00:26:15.062
  • It's very plain that they're taking a side here
  • 00:26:15.062 --> 00:26:16.864
  • Without any real justification.
  • 00:26:16.864 --> 00:26:18.699
  • - [jordan] as always, let me thank everybody at tbn
  • 00:26:18.699 --> 00:26:21.301
  • For providing this time to us at no cost so we
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  • Can update you on the most important issues of the day.
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  • From all of us at the aclj, thanks, tbn.
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