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October 30, 2018
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • LIVE FROM WASHINGTON D.C. JAY SEKULOW LIVE.
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  • PHONE LINES ARE OPEN FOR YOUR QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • AND NOW CHIEF COUNSEL
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  • FOR THE AMERICAN CENTER FOR LAW AND
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  • JUSTICE, JAY SEKULOW.
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  • JAY SEKULOW: WE'RE
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  • TALKING ABOUT THE CASE OF ASIA BIBI. A SPECIAL THREE MEMBER
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  • BENCH OF THE SUPREME COURT ON MONDAY RESERVED ITS JUDGMENT ON
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  • THE FINAL APPEAL AGAINST THE EXECUTION OF ASIA BIBI-BUT THE
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  • HEARING WENT VERY WELL. THIS IS A CASE INVOLVING THE CHRISTIAN
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  • WOMAN WHO'S BEEN SENTENCED TO DEATH IN PAKISTAN FOR SHARING
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  • HER FAITH. THEY ACCUSED HER OF BLASPHEMY. OKAY, SHE'S BEEN IN
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  • JAIL FOR EIGHT YEARS. SHE'S A MOTHER. WE HAVE BEEN HEAVILY
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  • INVOLVED IN OUR CASE. WE- HER CASE. WE HAVE AN OFFICE IN
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  • PAKISTAN THAT'S BEEN INVOLVED DIRECTLY IN THE CASE. AND I WILL
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  • TELL YOU HOW HEATED IT'S BECOME. WHEN WE SEND OUT A REQUEST FOR
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  • PEOPLE TO PRAY ABOUT PRAY FOR HER AND HER FAMILY AND THE
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  • LAWYERS THAT ARE HANDLING THE CASE. I I DID THIS OVER THE
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  • WEEKEND, BECAUSE THE HEARING WAS TODAY THAT WE STARTED THIS, WE
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  • SAW ALL OF A SUDDEN- I MEAN THE TECHNICAL TERM, I GUESS IT'S
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  • JUST IS WHAT, IT'S JUST THE THE PEOPLE THAT WERE WRITING REALLY
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  • HORRIBLE THINGS ABOUT ASIA BIBI. WE WERE SAYING PRAY FOR PEOPLE
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  • WERE SAY HANG HER. PEOPLE WERE SAY: #HANGASIABIBI. -
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  • YEAH, I MEAN THERE'S MULTIPLE, IN ENGLISH, THIS HASHTAG IS
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  • RUNNING THROUGH AND IT'S ENGLISH IS SPOKEN IN PAKISTAN, AS WELL.
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  • BUT IT'S AGAIN TO ANYTHING POSITIVE ABOUT ASIA BIBI, SO I
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  • WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED. YOU KNOW IF- YOU TWEET THINGS OUT, I KNOW
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  • WE'VE WITH YOUR TWITTER ACCOUNT, BUT IT'S HAPPENING WORLDWIDE.
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  • NOT JUST OUR TWITTER ACCOUNTS. JAY SEKULOW: YEAH. - IT'S IT
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  • THIS CALL FOR WHAT SECTION OF SHARIA LAW TO DO IT UNDER. JAY
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  • SEKULOW: YEP. -AS WE'VE SAID THIS IS A DEATH PENALTY CASE.
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  • AND THESE ARE PAKIS- PRIMARILY A MUSLIM PAKISTANIS, WHO ARE
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  • CALLING FOR HER TO BE EXECUTED. SO, IT'S HANGING HER, EXECUTE
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  • HER, KILL HER, PUNISH HER, AND AND AGAIN THIS MAKES IT SO, IT'S
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  • A DANGEROUS FOR THE JUDICIARY THERE, BECAUSE THEY'VE JUDGES
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  • HAVE DIED IN THE PAST AT THE TOP COURT. AS WELL AS OTHER CABINET
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  • MEMBERS WHO HAVE EXPRESSED SUPPORT FOR ASIA BIBI, WHO HAS
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  • NO BEEN IN PRISON EIGHT YEARS. JAY SEKULOW: HOW DIFFICULT DO
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  • YOU THINK- WE'LL DO THIS IN A MOMENT BUT, WE'LL GET BACK TO
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  • THE TOPIC ON THE ASIA BIBI CASE FOR A MOMENT HERE. THIS WAS, I,
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  • THIS IS THE HEARING. THIS WAS THE HEARING. - YES, WHERE- JAY
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  • SEKULOW: WE TALK, BECAUSE WE TALKED TO SHAHERYAR GILL FROM
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  • OUR OFFICE. - RIGHT. JAY SEKULOW: HE SAID THIS IS IT. I
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  • MEAN, THIS IS- - YEAH. SO, NEXT COMES A VERDICT AND I THINK
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  • THERE'S NO TIMELINE ON THAT. MOST CASES IN PAKISTAN EVEN THE
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  • SUPREME COURT, SO VERY UNLIKE OURS, AT THE HIGHEST COURT IN
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  • THEIR LAND, WHICH IS THREE-JUDGE PANEL AND THE CHIEF JUSTICE DID
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  • SIT ON THIS, ONE WE KNOW THAT. THAT JAY SEKULOW: PRETTY BROKEN.
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  • - NINETY PERCENT COME THAT DAY. JAY SEKULOW: YEAH, LIKE THE
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  • VERDICT WOULD BE RIGHT THEN. - THIS, IN IMPORTANT CASES, SO THE
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  • OTHER 10% THEY DO TAKE TIME. BUT I DON'T, IT'S NOT USUALLY THE
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  • TIME LIKE HERE WHERE IT CAN BE MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS
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  • FROM OUR SUPREME COURT THIS COULD HAPPEN AT ANY MOMENT
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  • THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF SECURITY CONCERNS AT RISK HERE.
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  • THERE'S GEOPOLITICAL ISSUES AT RISK HERE. AND I- JAY SEKULOW:
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  • YOU HAVE A GUT FEELING? - I GET NERVOUS BECAUSE OF WHAT THESE
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  • JUDGES FACE. SO, WHAT WE SAW BEFORE IS EVEN LIKE YOU GET TO
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  • THIS POINT AND JUDGES START LEAVING, SO YOU DON'T HAVE A
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  • QUORUM SO YOU CAN'T HAVE A VERDICT AND YOU GOT TO GO
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  • THROUGH IT AGAIN. I GET- I'M NERVOUS ABOUT ALL THAT BECAUSE-
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  • JAY SEKULOW: YOU KNOW, THE HEARINGS SOUND LIKE THEY WENT
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  • VERY WELL. - THE HEARINGS HAVE GONE WELL FOR HER. IT'S THAT THE
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  • JUDGES HAVE EITHER BEEN KILLED OR HAVE QUIT. I WOULD PRAY FOR
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  • THE JUDGES IN THAT SITUATION. I MEAN, I THINK EVEN THE
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  • PROSECUTORS AND THE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AT THE POLICE. HER
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  • ATTORNEYS, AS WELL. OF COURSE, HER FAMILY, BUT I KNOW YOU'RE
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  • DOING THAT. BUT BUT ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE JUDGES. NOT NOT ON
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  • THE DECISION BUT BUT ON THEIR SAFETY. EVEN WHILE THEY ARE
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  • THEIR DECIDING, BECAUSE WHAT WE KNOW THE OTHER SIDE HAS DONE IS
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  • TRY TO HARASS OR KILL THEM BEFORE THEY'VE GOTTEN TO A
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  • DECISION POINT. JAY SEKULOW: THAT IS THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION
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  • HERE AND THAT IS THE CONCERN OVER THE JUDGES AND THE IMPACT
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  • OF ALL THAT. WE GOT A LOT MOR ON THE CASE AND ASIA BIBI. AND LET
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  • ME ASK YOU TO DO THIS: PRAY FOR HER BUT PRAY FOR THOSE JUDGES,
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  • WHO ULTIMATELY MAKE THE DECISION HERE
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  • FROM THE SUPREME COURT OF PAKISTAN.
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  • WE WILL BE BACK WITH MORE IN JUST A MOMENT.
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  • JAY SEKULOW: ASIA BIBI HAS BEEN ACCUSED OF
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  • BLASPHEMY, SENTENCED TO DEATH AND I WANT TO GO TO SKIP ASH AND
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  • THEN SHAHERYAR ON THIS, BUT SKIP, WE KNOW THESE BLASPHEMY
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  • CHARGES ARE THE PUT-UP CHARGES. IT'S IT'S EITHER BLASPHEMY OR
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  • NATIONAL SECURITY VIOLATIONS. SKIP ASH: THAT'S THAT'S ALWAYS
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  • IT. WHENEVER THEY HAVE SOMEBODY WHO IS IN A WEAKENED POSITION,
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  • THEY WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEM. ONE OF THE FIRST PLACES
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  • THEY GO IS TO ALLEGE BLASPHEMY AND THE OTHER ONE IS AS YOU SAID
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  • NATIONAL SECURITY. BUT BLASPHEMY IS THE ONE THAT STRIKES FEAR IN
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  • THE HEARTS OF EVERYONE WHO'S SO ACCUSED, BECAUSE IT
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  • AUTOMATICALLY- WELL A GUILTY SENTENCE- AUTOMATICALLY IS A
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  • DEATH SENTENCE. AND ESPECIALLY AS APPLIED TO MINORITIES AND THE
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  • CHRISTIAN MINORITY IN PAKISTAN. SO, ASIA BIBI WAS LIVING UNDER
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  • THAT SWORD OF DAMOCLES THE ENTIRE TIME SHE'S BEEN A CITIZEN
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  • THERE. BUT, IT FINALLY STRUCK HOME AND NOW SHE'S BEEN IN JAIL
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  • SINCE 2009. WAITING, HOPEFULLY WAITING JUSTICE AT THIS COURT.
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  • JAY SEKULOW: AND SHAHERYAR, THERE ARE FOUR POINTS AND
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  • PRIMARY POINTS THAT THE LAWYER, OUR LAWYER REPRESENTING ASIA
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  • BIBI MADE DURING THE ARGUMENT. LET'S GO OVER THOSE. SHAHERYAR:
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  • RIGHT, SO SO HE BEGAN BY INTRODUCING ALL THE EVIDENCE, BY
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  • READING THE EVIDENCE TO THE COURT, KIND OF POINTING OUT ALL
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  • THE DISCREPANCIES, THE CONTRADICTIONS, THE ERRORS THAT
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  • WERE IN THE EVIDENCE. THEN HE ARGUED THAT THERE WAS A FIVE-DAY
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  • DELAY IN LODGING THE COMPLAINT. REMEMBER, THE INCIDENT HAPPENS
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  • WITH THESE TWO WOMEN AND THESE WOMEN AND THEN THE CLERIC GOES
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  • TO THE POLICE AFTER FIVE DAYS. AND THAT'S USUALLY IN PAKISTAN
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  • THAT'S THE FATAL ERROR IN CASES WHEN THERE'S A DELAY, BECAUSE
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  • THAT SHOWS SOME SORT OF CONJURED UP CHARGES. THE THIRD THING THAT
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  • HE ARGUED WAS THERE'S A SECTION IN THE CRIMINAL PROCEDURE CODE
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  • THAT REQUIRES, IN BLASPHEMY CASES, THAT A PERMISSION FROM
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  • THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS TO BE-
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  • HAS TO BE OBTAINED BEFORE OF PRIVATE FILE- A COMPLAINT- HAS
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  • BEEN FILED. AND THE AND AND ASIA'S LAWYER ACTUALLY POINTED
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  • OUT THAT THAT NEVER HAPPENED IN THIS CASE. AND ONLY ONLY BASED
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  • ON THIS ERROR, THE COURT SHOULD HAVE HAD THE TRIAL THROW OUT THE
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  • CASE, BUT THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. AND THEY CONVICTED HER. SO, SO
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  • THE FINAL THING, THE COURT BASICALLY ASKED, SO WHAT WAS THE
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  • MOTIVE FOR FOR THESE WOMEN AND AND THE CLERICS WHO FILED THE
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  • CHARGES? WHAT WAS THE MOTIVE? WHY THE CASE AGAINST ASIA BIBI?
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  • AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY ALWAYS ASK. AND AND
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  • THEN THE LAWYER BASICALLY TOLD THEM EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED: THAT
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  • SHE HAD WALKED GIVEN WATER TO HER CO-WORKERS, WHO DID NOT LIKE
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  • THAT, THEY CALLED HER UNCLEAN, THAT SHE WAS CHRISTIAN AND SHE
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  • WAS UNCLEAN, AND SHE- DIDN'T WANNA THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DRINK
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  • WATER FROM HER. AND THAT WAS THE ARGUMENT. THEY ARE THE ONES WHO
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  • INSULTED ASIA BIBI. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS REALLY THE
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  • MOTIVE THAT THEY WANTED TO TAKE REVENGE. THE PEOPLE DIDN'T LIKE
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  • WHAT HAPPENED AND THAT A CHRISTIAN COULD EVEN ARGUE WITH
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  • THESE MUSLIMS. SO- JAY SEKULOW: IT'S INTERESTING, WHEN YOU LOOK
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  • AT THE SOME OF THE REPORTS THAT HAVE COME OUT. SOME OF THE MEDIA
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  • REPORTS THAT HAVE COME OUT IN THE HEARING. AND THIS WAS A THE
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  • LAWYER REPRESENTING ASIA BIBI, WE WORKED WITH MADE THE
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  • STATEMENT THAT THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE OF BLASPHEMY ACTUALLY,
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  • IN THE RECORD ITSELF. AND THEN THE JUDGE THE CHIEF JUSTICE
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  • ACTUALLY ASKED: ARE THESE THINGS ON THE RECORD? AND THEN HE AND
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  • ONE OF THE OTHER JUSTICES SAID: WHAT WE CAN CONCLUDE FROM YOUR
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  • STATEMENT IS THAT THE PRAYER LEADER, THIS IS WHO MADE THE
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  • CHARGES HIMSELF, DID NOT WITNESS THE INCIDENT AS IT HAPPENED. NO
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  • BLASPHEMOUS LANGUAGE WAS UTTERED IN THE PRESENCE OF THE PRAYER
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  • LEADER. IN OTHER WORDS, PROFESSOR HUTCHINSON, THE MAIN
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  • CHARGENT, THE CLAIMANT HERE, NEV- WAS NOT A PARTY TO THE
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  • INCIDENT. HARRY HUTCHINSON: ABSOLUTELY. SO, ALLEGATIONS OF
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  • BLASPHEMY ARE VERY SERIOUS IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES. ASIA BIBI HAS
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  • BEEN LIVING WITH THIS CHARGE OVER HER HEAD FOR ALMOST NINE
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  • YEARS. THERE IS NO FACTUAL FOUNDATION FOR THE BLASPHEMY
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  • CHARGE. NO EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD WHATSOEVER. YET, THE
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  • CHARGE REMAINS IN PLACE. WHY? BECAUSE MEMBERS OF THE JUSTICE
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  • SYSTEM MUST DEAL WITH INTENSE POLITICAL IDEOLOGICAL AND
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  • THEOLOGICAL PRESSURE TO EXECUTE AN INNOCENT WOMAN. AGAINST THIS
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  • BACKGROUND INTENSE INTERNATIONAL COUNTERVAILING PRESSURE IS
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  • ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO KEEP HER ALIVE. AND SO, LET'S PRAY FOR
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  • THE JUSTICES. LET'S PRAY FOR THE ENTIRE JUSTICE SYSTEM, IN
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  • PAKISTAN, IN ORDER TO KEEP HER ALIVE AND IN ORDER TO SEE THAT
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  • SHE IS SET FREE, BECAUSE THE CHARGES SIMPLY HAVE NO LEGAL OR
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  • FACTUAL FOUNDATION. JAY SEKULOW: SO, SANDRA ON FACEBOOK SAID
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  • THIS: HOW IS THE U.N. ABLE TO APPROACH SHARIA LAW WHEN IT
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  • COMES TO HUMAN RIGHTS? THANN, THAT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE THAT
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  • WE'VE BEEN FIGHTING WITH THE ORGANIZATION OF ISLAMIC
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  • COOPERATION AND THEIR DEFINITION OF BLASPHEMY, WHICH IS AGAINST
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  • THE CHARTER OF THE U.N. CHARTER, WHICH INCLUDES RELIGIOUS FREEDOM
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  • AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH. THANN: JAY, THIS GOES BACK TO THE TONE
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  • THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT IN THE SOCIAL MEDIA REACTION, BECAUSE
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  • AS YOU READ SOME OF THE REACTION ON SOCIAL MEDIA, WHAT- THE
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  • THOUGHT THAT CAME TO ME IS THAT IS THE TONE THAT I HEAR AT THE
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  • UNITED NATIONS WHEN I TAKE THESE CASES, WHEN WE TAKE THESE CASES,
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  • BEFORE THE HUMAN RIGHTS COUNCIL THEIR GENERAL ASSEMBLY OR
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  • WHATEVER IT MAY BE. JAY, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SYMPATHY INSIDE THE
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  • CHAMBER FOR THESE KIND OF ARGUMENTS FOR RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.
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  • AND AND AGAIN, THIS GOES BACK TO THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU AND I
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  • HAD IN A PREVIOUS SEGMENT. WE TAKE THEM TO THE UNITED NATIONS
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  • NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO STOP PAKISTAN, BUT
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  • BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO SHINE A LIGHT ON THE CASE AND IT'S GOING
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  • TO SHAME THEM AND INTO INTO NOT DOING IT. SO, JAY, WE REALLY ARE
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  • GOING INTO ENEMY TERRITORY WHEN WE MAKE THESE INTERVENTIONS.
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  • AGAIN, WE SAID WE'VE DONE FOUR OF THEM AT THE UNITED NATIONS
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  • THIS YEAR, BUT YOU DO IT TO KEEP THE EXPOSURE ON ON PAKISTAN IN
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  • THIS CASE. AND JAY, ONE OTHER THING I'LL SAY, HERE
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  • DOMESTICALLY THE LEVERAGE POINT IS MONEY. THE TRUMP
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  • ADMINISTRATION HAS ALREADY PULLED BACK THREE HUNDRED
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  • MILLION DOLLARS FROM PAKISTAN, BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN LIVING UP
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  • TO ITS MILITARY OBLIGATIONS. I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THAT NEXT
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  • YEAR THERE NEEDS TO BE AN ADDITIONAL DRAWDOWN BECAUSE OF
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  • HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS. JAY SEKULOW: SO, THIS IS AN
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  • INTERESTING COMMENT FROM LINDA ON FACEBOOK. SHE WRITES:
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  • SHOULDN'T PAKISTAN BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMAGERY AND FALL OUT
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  • OF THIS ON THE INTERNATIONAL STAGE? I FEEL LIKE THEY CANNOT
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  • AFFORD IT. WELL, LINDA'S ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, THEY CANNOT
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  • AFFORD IT. IT IS IMPACTING THEIR VIEW ON THE INTERNATIONAL STAGE.
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  • IT'S IMPACTING THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE UNITED
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  • STATES AND OTHER ALLIES. AND AND FRANKLY, SKIP, IT CAUSES THEM AN
  • 00:10:52.290 --> 00:10:57.000
  • INTERNATIONAL CONCERN. I THINK THAT'S WHY YOU HAD THIS SPECIAL
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  • THREE-JUDGE PANEL, INCLUDING THE CHIEF JUSTICE, VERY BRAVE FOR
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  • THEM TO DO THIS IN THAT CULTURE. SKIP ASH: ABSOLUTELY, AND I
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  • THINK, IF WE GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF PAKISTAN, FOR A
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  • LONG TIME THEY DID NOT HAVE A BLASPHEMY STATUTE AND THERE WAS
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  • A LOT OF MORE PEACE WITHIN THE SOCIETY. AND ONCE THEY HAD- IT
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  • WAS DURING A TIME OF A MILITARY DICTATORSHIP, WHEN THE DICTATOR
  • 00:11:16.170 --> 00:11:19.210
  • IMPOSED THIS, AND SINCE THEN THAT HAS ENCOURAGED THE MORE
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  • FUNDAMENTALIST MUSLIMS, THE SALUKIS AND THE SALAFIS AND
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  • OTHERS, IN THESE SCHOOLS, THESE MADRASAS, TO GET EVERYBODY FIRED
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  • UP. AND NOW WE HAVE A MORE FUNDAMENTALIST RELIGIOUS BASIS
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  • IN SOCIETY AND THAT'S SPLITTING THE SOCIETY. AND THEY ARE THE
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  • ONES WHO SEEM TO PUT THE PRESSURE ON THE GOVERNMENT TO
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  • IMPOSE STRICT SHARIA RULES AND STRICT INTERPRETATIONS OF THE
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  • QURAN. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH NOW. JAY
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  • SEKULOW: SHAHERYAR, HOW DIFFICULT IS IT FOR CHRISTIANS
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  • IN PAKISTAN? SHAHERYAR: IT'S IT'S VERY DIFFICULT, ESPECIALLY
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  • IN IN THE ENVIRONMENT WHERE THE BLASPHEMY CHARGES, NOT ONLY
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  • GENERATE COURT CASES AND AND POLICE INVESTIGATIONS, BUT
  • 00:12:01.140 --> 00:12:07.280
  • THERE'S A LOT OF DANGER FROM JUST THE MOB RULE THAT THAT
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  • HAPPENS THERE. AND AND THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE, TONS OF
  • 00:12:11.260 --> 00:12:14.260
  • INCIDENTS, WHERE ONE BLASPHEMY ALLEGATION RE- RESULTED IN A MOB
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  • GATHERING. MOB OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE GATHERING AND BURNING
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  • ENTIRE VILLAGES IN PAKISTAN. SO, THAT'S THAT'S THE KIND OF
  • 00:12:23.290 --> 00:12:27.070
  • ENVIRONMENT CHRISTIANS AND OTHER MINORITIES LIVE IN. JAY SEKULOW:
  • 00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:30.290
  • BUT THE GOOD NEWS, IN THIS HORRIBLE SITUATION, IS WE'VE HAD
  • 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:33.130
  • SUCCESS, SHAHERYAR, IN SOME OF THESE OTHER CASES. SHAHERYAR:
  • 00:12:33.140 --> 00:12:36.070
  • THAT THAT'S CORRECT. OUR OFFICE THERE IS IS CONTINUOUSLY
  • 00:12:36.080 --> 00:12:40.000
  • RECEIVING CASES THAT ARE OF SIMILAR NATURE. WE HAVE BEEN
  • 00:12:40.010 --> 00:12:44.060
  • INVOLVED IN CASES WHERE A MOB VIOLENCE HAS BEEN ACTUALLY
  • 00:12:44.070 --> 00:12:48.280
  • THWARTED, BECAUSE OF POLICE INTERVENTION AND OUR TEAM THERE
  • 00:12:48.290 --> 00:12:53.110
  • GETTING INVOLVED WITH THE POLICE AND THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO TO
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  • ACTUALLY BRING IT TO THEIR, TO THEIR NOTICE BEFORE EVEN EVEN
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  • THE VIOLENCE HAPPENS. JAY SEKULOW: INTERESTING COMMENT
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  • CAME IN FROM SU JAYA ON FACEBOOK: IS IT SAFE TO SAY THE
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  • OFFICIALS IN PAKISTAN THINK BLASPHEMY HAPPENED SIMPLY
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  • BECAUSE ASIA SAID SHE WOULDN'T CONVERT TO ISLAM? THAT'S A
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  • REALLY INTERESTING QUESTION. AND IT'S HARD TO TELL BUT BASED ON
  • 00:13:13.230 --> 00:13:16.120
  • WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE TRANSCRIPT, HARRY. IT'S HARD TO
  • 00:13:16.130 --> 00:13:19.080
  • TELL EXACTLY WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM, BUT THE THE ALLEGATION WAS
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  • NOT- WAS THE PRAYER LEADER IN THIS, THE IMAM IN THE COMMUNITY,
  • 00:13:23.030 --> 00:13:27.080
  • SAYING SHE WAS UNCLEAN AND MADE THIS OFFER AND THAT'S HOW IT WAS
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  • SOMEHOW BLASPHEMOUS TO THE PROPHET. HARRY HUTCHINSON: SO, I
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  • THINK THE CALLER IS UNTO SOMETHING. SO, IF YOU LOOK AT
  • 00:13:34.190 --> 00:13:36.190
  • THE REC- THE EVIDENCE IN THE RECORD, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE
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  • THAT BLASPHEMY ACTUALLY OCCURRED. SO, THE CALLER'S
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  • INFERENCE, I THINK IS VERY VERY ASTUTE THAT IT'S VERY VERY
  • 00:13:44.010 --> 00:13:48.260
  • POSSIBLE THAT THIS IS A MADE UP CHARGE. THIS TYPE OF CHARGE
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  • ACTUALLY EMPOWERS THE THEOCRATS AND IT EMPOWERS MOB RULE THAT'S
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  • SUBORDINATES CHRISTIANS. AND SO, IT'S VERY VERY POSSIBLE THAT AT
  • 00:14:00.160 --> 00:14:06.000
  • THE END OF THE DAY ASIA BIBI'S UNWILLINGNESS TO CONVERT HAS LED
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  • TO THIS CHARGE, WHICH IS NOT GROUNDED IN FACT. IT APPEARS TO
  • 00:14:11.060 --> 00:14:15.090
  • BE GROUNDED IN FICTION. JAY SEKULOW: THE CHIEF JUSTICE
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  • WONDERED WHETHER THE ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT POLICE PROBE INTO
  • 00:14:17.250 --> 00:14:21.010
  • THE MATTER COULD BE RELIED UPON. TO WHICH OUR LAWYER REPLIED THAT
  • 00:14:21.020 --> 00:14:24.270
  • THE POLICE HAD WRONGFULLY REGISTERED THE CASE. THEN THE
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  • WITNESSES- THE WITNESS TESTIMONIES DID NOT STATE THAT
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  • SHE HAD USED BLASPHEMOUS LANGUAGE FOR THE HOLY QURAN. HE
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  • SAID THIS, TALKING ABOUT THE LAWYER, NO BLASPHEMOUS WORDS
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  • WERE USED AT ALL. ASIA, IN HER STATEMENT SAID, THAT SHE COULD
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  • NOT EVEN CONCEIVE OF COMMITTING BLASPHEMY. AND THAT'S BECAUSE
  • 00:14:39.130 --> 00:14:42.050
  • CHRISTIANS UNDERSTAND THAT BLASPHEMY IS SUCH A SERIOUS
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  • CRIME IN PAKISTAN. ALRIGHT, WE'RE COMING UP TO THE LAST
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  • SEGMENT BROADCAST. GET YOUR COMMENTS IN ON FACEBOOK AND
  • 00:14:47.240 --> 00:14:49.270
  • PERISCOPE. WE'LL READ SOME OF THOSE. WE GOT A LOT MORE ON THE
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  • CASE INVOLVING ASIA BIBI. AND LET ME ASK YOU TO DO THIS: PRAY
  • 00:14:52.050 --> 00:14:54.210
  • FOR HER, BUT PRAY FOR THOSE JUDGES, WHO WILL ULTIMATELY MAKE
  • 00:14:54.220 --> 00:14:58.110
  • THE DECISION HERE FROM THE SUPREME COURT OF PAKISTAN. WE'LL
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  • BE BACK WITH MORE IN JUST A MOMENT.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • JAY SEKULOW: HI EVERYBODY. WELCOME BACK TO THE
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  • BROADCAST. WELL THE CASE OF ASIA BIBI WAS HEARD BY A THREE-JUDGE
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  • PANEL, A SPECIAL THREE MEMBER BENCH OF THE SUPREME COURT OF
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  • PAKISTAN, ON MONDAY. THEY RESERVED THEIR JUDGEMENT ON THE
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  • FINAL APPEAL AGAINST THE EXECUTION OF ASIA BIBI. SHE HAS
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  • BEEN SENTENCED TO DEATH, A CHRISTIAN WOMAN IN CHARGE WITH
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  • BLASPHEMY. AGAIN, IF YOU'RE NEW TO THE CASE, LET ME GO RIGHT TO
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  • SHAHERYAR GILL, WHO IS RUNNING THIS CASE FOR US; RUNS OUR
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  • OFFICE OUT OF PAKISTAN. HE'S IN THE UNITED STATES. BORN IN
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  • PAKISTAN HIMSELF. KNOWS THIS AREA; KNOWS THIS VERY WELL.
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  • LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT THIS CASE IS ABOUT AGAIN FOR THOSE JUST
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  • JOINING THE BROADCAST. SHAHERYAR: RIGHT. SO, THE CASE
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  • STARTED IN JUNE 2009 WHEN ASIA BIBI WAS WORKING IN A FIELD
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  • WHERE SHE WAS PICKING BERRIES. IT WAS A HOT SUMMER DAY AND SHE
  • 00:15:51.260 --> 00:15:55.240
  • GOT SOME WATER AND OFFERED THE WATER IN THE SAME CUP TO HER TWO
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  • OF HER CO-WORKERS, WHO WERE MUSLIMS. SO THE CO-WORKERS
  • 00:16:00.060 --> 00:16:03.280
  • RESPONDED. THEY, THEY SAID THAT WE DON'T WANT TO DRINK WATER
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  • FROM YOUR CUP, BECAUSE YOU'VE MADE IT UNCLEAN, BECAUSE YOU'RE
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  • A CHRISTIAN AND THEY INVITED HER TO CONVERT TO ISLAM. BASED-
  • 00:16:08.260 --> 00:16:11.270
  • DURING THAT THEY GOT INTO HEATED ARGUMENT. AFTER FIVE DAYS THESE
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  • WOMEN OR IN THE REST OF THE VILLAGE CONSPIRED AND WENT TO A
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  • MUSLIM CLERIC, WHO WENT TO THE POLICE, AFTER THEY HAD GATHERED
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  • AT A AT A GATHERING OF THE LOCAL ELDERS, WHERE THEY FORCED ASIA
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  • TO TO CONFESS TO SOMETHING- WHAT SHE HASN'T DONE. SO, THEY WENT
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  • TO THE POLICE AND THE MUSLIM CLERIC, WHO WASN'T A WITNESS TO
  • 00:16:33.100 --> 00:16:37.170
  • TO ANY OF THAT, HE FILED A COMPLAINT AGAINST ASIA BIBI.
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  • AFTER A YEAR, SHE WAS CONVICTED AFTER A TRIAL THAT WAS FULL OF
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  • PROCEDURAL AND SUBSTANTIVE ERRORS AND SHE WAS CONVICTED TO
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  • DEATH. AT THE TRIAL, ABOUT FOUR YEARS LATER OF THE TRIAL, SHE
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  • WAS, SHE WAS- THE APPEAL WAS BASICALLY- THE CONVICTION WAS
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  • UPHELD. AND SINCE THEN SHE'S BEEN WAITING FOR THE APPEAL TO
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  • BE HEARD BY THE SUPREME COURT, WHICH HAPPENED LAST NIGHT. JAY
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  • SEKULOW: SO, WHEN THAT HAPPENS, NORMALLY SHAHERYAR, THERE'S A
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  • DECISION RIGHT AWAY IN 90% OF THE CASES. THIS TIME NOT SO-
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  • THEY DID NOT DO THAT. AND YOU THINK THAT'S FOR SECURITY
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  • REASONS? SHAHERYAR: ABSOLUTELY. THAT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED HERE
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  • IN 90% OF THE CASES, AS YOU SAID, THE COURT BASICALLY
  • 00:17:17.040 --> 00:17:20.140
  • DECIDES THE DECISION RIGHT AWAY. BUT THIS TIME THE COURT SAID
  • 00:17:20.150 --> 00:17:24.010
  • THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DECIDE IT TODAY WE'LL ANNOUNCE THE
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  • DECISION AT IT AT A LATER DATE AND THEY DID NOT EVEN TELL THE
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  • DATE. SO, I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED. THEY WANTED TO
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  • NOT CREATE A SECURITY ISSUE IN PAKISTAN. JAY SEKULOW: YEAH, SO
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  • THIS IS COMING OUT- YOU'VE REVIEWED SOME OF THE NOTES AND
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  • SOME OF THE PRESS REPORTS THAT HAVE COME OUT, PROFESSOR
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  • HUTCHINSON ABOUT THE CASE. I'M LOOKING, AS AN APPELLATE LAWYER,
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  • I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND I WOULD BE FEELING VERY GOOD AS ASIA
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  • BIBI'S LAWYERS. HARRY HUTCHINSON: ABSOLUTELY, BUT YOU
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  • ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PRESSURE THAT THE JUSTICES ARE
  • 00:17:50.250 --> 00:17:53.100
  • UNDER. SO, IT'S AN EXTREMELY WEAK CASE. WE HAVE CONTRADICTORY
  • 00:17:53.110 --> 00:17:58.150
  • WITNESSES; WE HAVE NO DIRECT EVIDENCE; WE HAVE CASE LARGELY
  • 00:17:58.160 --> 00:18:04.200
  • BUILT UPON HEARSAY. AND SO THE KEY QUESTION FOR THE JUSTICES,
  • 00:18:04.210 --> 00:18:10.020
  • REALLY, IS WHETHER OR NOT THE PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE, UNDER
  • 00:18:10.030 --> 00:18:14.170
  • A COMMON LAW SYSTEM WILL BE APPLIED IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
  • 00:18:14.180 --> 00:18:20.040
  • IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THERE IS LITTLE OR NO DIRECT
  • 00:18:20.050 --> 00:18:23.260
  • EVIDENCE ON THE CENTRAL CHARGE OF BLASPHEMY. BUT YET, THE
  • 00:18:23.270 --> 00:18:29.020
  • JUSTICES ARE UNDER INTENSE CULTURAL AND COMMUNITY WIDE
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  • PRESSURE TO CONVICT AN INNOCENT HUMAN BEING AND THAT IS THAT
  • 00:18:33.280 --> 00:18:39.210
  • WOULD BE TRAGIC UNDER THE CIRCUMSTANCES. JAY SEKULOW: AND
  • 00:18:39.220 --> 00:18:42.170
  • THANN, COURSE THIS COMES WITH A UNIQUE SET POLITICAL SITUATION,
  • 00:18:42.180 --> 00:18:45.050
  • BECAUSE PAKISTAN IS AN ALLY OF THE UNITED STATES. THANN: YEAH,
  • 00:18:45.060 --> 00:18:47.240
  • BIG TIME ALLY, JAY. OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS THEY'VE RECEIVED
  • 00:18:47.250 --> 00:18:52.040
  • ABOUT TWENTY-TWO BILLION DOLLARS FROM THE UNITED STATES, SO
  • 00:18:52.050 --> 00:18:54.170
  • THAT'S AN AVERAGE OF MORE THAN TWO BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR. NOW,
  • 00:18:54.180 --> 00:18:57.150
  • PRESIDENT TRUMP DRAMATICALLY DECREASED THE REQUESTS IN THE
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  • LAST YEAR, JAY, AND LARGELY BECAUSE OF THESE CONCERNS ABOUT
  • 00:19:00.060 --> 00:19:02.220
  • HUMAN RIGHTS. BUT LOOK, WE AS THE ACLJ AND THE ECLJ ALWAYS
  • 00:19:02.230 --> 00:19:06.090
  • LOOK FOR LEVERAGE POINTS. AND SO, U.S. AID TO PAKISTAN IS
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  • CERTAINLY ONE OF THEM. WE WILL BE RE-UPPING OUR REQUEST THAT
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  • THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS ADDRESS THAT DURING THE NEXT
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  • FISCAL CYCLE, BUT JAY, THE OTHER ONE IS THE INTERNATIONAL
  • 00:19:15.030 --> 00:19:17.220
  • COMMUNITY. WE DON'T TAKE THIS TO THE UNITED NATIONS, BECAUSE IT'S
  • 00:19:17.230 --> 00:19:20.160
  • GOING TO BE DISPOSITIVE THERE OR YOU WILL NECESSARILY WIN. WE
  • 00:19:20.170 --> 00:19:23.070
  • KEEP WE TAKE IT TO THE UNITED NATIONS, JAY, TO KEEP A ASIA
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  • BIBI ALIVE. TO KEEP PAKISTAN FROM EXECUTING HER UNDER THE
  • 00:19:26.170 --> 00:19:29.210
  • CONE OF SILENCE. WE HAVE TAKEN THIS CASE, JAY, TO THE UNITED
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  • NATIONS ON FOUR SEPARATE OCCASIONS THIS YEAR ALONE. WE DO
  • 00:19:32.230 --> 00:19:35.230
  • THAT JUST TO KEEP THE CASE HIGHLIGHTED INSIDE THAT BODY.
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  • JAY SEKULOW: LET ME SAY THIS THOUGH, SKIP. WE TALKED ABOUT
  • 00:19:39.150 --> 00:19:42.000
  • KEEPING HER ALIVE. I WANT TO PUT THESE- THESE ARE HORRIBLE. I'M
  • 00:19:42.010 --> 00:19:44.040
  • GONNA THESE MEMES UP, BUT I WANT PEOPLE TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON
  • 00:19:44.050 --> 00:19:46.180
  • RIGHT NOW IN SOCIAL MEDIA. SO, WE'VE BEEN ASKING PEOPLE TO PRAY
  • 00:19:46.190 --> 00:19:49.100
  • FOR ASIA BIBI AND NOW WANT PEOPLE PRAYING FOR THOSE JUDGES.
  • 00:19:49.110 --> 00:19:51.200
  • BUT THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON AND THERE'S A LOT OF THIS HAPPENING:
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  • HANG ASIA. IT'S HORRIBLE. THIS IS- AND I'M GETTING THESE ON MY
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  • FEED, I MEAN IT'S KIND- BUT BUT THEY'RE MY TEAM'S TELLING ME
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  • THAT IT'S ALL OVER IT'S IT'S IT'S ALL OVER. AND SO, THIS IS
  • 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:05.240
  • KIND OF TELLS YOU THE NATURE OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. THANN,
  • 00:20:05.250 --> 00:20:09.090
  • WE TALKED ABOUT OR SKIP, WE TALK ABOUT KEEPING HER ALIVE. SHE'S
  • 00:20:09.100 --> 00:20:12.270
  • SENTENCED TO DEATH HERE THAT'S THE PENALTY FOR BLASPHEMY. SKIP
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  • ASH: THAT'S CORRECT. AND AND THE THE ISSUE HERE IS, AS SHAHERYAR
  • 00:20:17.000 --> 00:20:21.120
  • HAS ALREADY DESCRIBED, THE EVIDENCE AT THE TRIAL COURT WAS
  • 00:20:21.130 --> 00:20:24.000
  • ABSOLUTELY INSUFFICIENT TO CONVICT IN THE INITIAL MATTER
  • 00:20:24.010 --> 00:20:28.030
  • AND THEN IT WAS UPHELD. THE THE BAD VERDICT WAS UPHELD ON THE
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  • FIRST APPEAL AND NOW, WE FINALLY, HAVE GOTTEN TO THE
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  • HIGHEST COURT IN THE LAND AND WE'RE HOPING THAT THEY ALL THEY
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  • WILL DO THE RIGHT THING, APPLY THE LAW. BECAUSE IN ONE SENSE,
  • 00:20:36.280 --> 00:20:40.280
  • IF IF THIS IS, IF SHE HAS BEEN FALSELY ACCUSED OF BLASPHEMY
  • 00:20:40.290 --> 00:20:45.020
  • THAT IN ITSELF IS A FORM OF BLASPHEMY WITHIN ISLAM. SO, I
  • 00:20:45.030 --> 00:20:48.140
  • THINK THEY CAN DEPENDING ON HOW THEY DO IT, THEY CAN COME TO THE
  • 00:20:48.150 --> 00:20:51.210
  • PROPERS CAN -YOU KNOW SOLUTION, THE PROPER DECISION. THE THE
  • 00:20:51.220 --> 00:20:56.050
  • ISSUE THOUGH IS, IS RIGHT NOW THE PRESSURE IS SO HIGH ON ALL
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  • THE JUSTICES IN THE LEGAL SYSTEM THAT THEY HAVE TO GIVE IT A TIME
  • 00:21:00.130 --> 00:21:03.210
  • TO DISSIPATE. THEY HAVE TO GIVE A TIME FOR THE PASSIONS TO COOL
  • 00:21:03.220 --> 00:21:06.240
  • AND THEN, I THINK THEY CAN COME OUT WITH A WITH A REASONED
  • 00:21:06.250 --> 00:21:10.160
  • OPINION. AND THEY CAN THEN THROW IT BACK, IF THEY WISH TO, TO SAY
  • 00:21:10.170 --> 00:21:14.180
  • THE A FALSE ACCUSING OF BLASPHEMY IS IN ITSELF A FORM OF
  • 00:21:14.190 --> 00:21:17.190
  • BLASPHEMY. AND THEN THAT COULD PUT PEOPLE TO BE MORE CAREFUL IN
  • 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:20.260
  • THE FUTURE ABOUT MAKING FALSE ACCUSATIONS. JAY SEKULOW: YEAH,
  • 00:21:20.270 --> 00:21:24.100
  • JIM ON PERISCOPE ASKED THIS QUESTION. AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE A
  • 00:21:24.110 --> 00:21:26.070
  • QUESTION ON PERISCOPE OR FACEBOOK GETTING IT OR SOCIAL
  • 00:21:26.080 --> 00:21:27.260
  • MEDIA TEAMS LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. CAN THE U.N. DO ANYTHING? I
  • 00:21:27.270 --> 00:21:30.050
  • FEEL LIKE THEIR JOKE WHEN IT COMES TO THESE TYPES OF CASES.
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  • ACTUALLY, THEY CAN BE QUITE HELPFUL IN THESE TYPES OF CASES.
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  • I'VE GOT THE ISSUES WITH THE UNITED NATIONS, BUT THEY CAN BE
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  • A VERY IMPORTANT FORCE THANN TO UTILIZE INTERNATIONAL, AS YOU
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  • SAID, INTERNATIONAL LEVERAGE HERE CAN BE VERY IMPORTANT.
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  • THANN: WELL, I THINK THERE'S A REASON TO BE FRUSTRATED AND
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  • FRANKLY, THOSE FOR FRUSTATIONS WERE THE REASON THAT THE UNITED
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  • STATES OFFICIALLY LEFT THE HUMAN RIGHTS COUNCIL. WE'VE TALKED
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  • ABOUT THIS MANY TIMES, JAY. IF YOU PUT THE WRONG MEMBERS ON THE
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  • HUMAN RIGHTS COUNCIL, THEIR EFFECTIVENESS TO OFFICIALLY
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  • STAND IN THE WAY OF ACTIONS LIKE THIS IS VERY MUCH TO THE
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  • DETRIMENT. SO, I THOUGHT THE UNITED STATES LEAVING WAS THE
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  • RIGHT CALL THERE. BUT WE, AS THE ECLJ, ENGAGING THROUGH FORMAL
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  • INTERVENTIONS SOMETIMES THEY'RE WRITTEN, SOMETIMES THEIR ORAL.
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  • JAY, IT IS ONE OF THE BLESSED PLATFORMS THAT WE HAVE UNCOVERED
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  • FOR KEEPING A CASE LIKE THIS IN IN THE IN THE VISIBILITY OF THE
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  • INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY. AND LOOK, I'M GONNA TELL YOU, IF
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  • THERE WASN'T VISIBILITY ON THIS CASE I'M CONVINCED TO THE ASIA
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  • BIBI WOULD NOT BE ALIVE TODAY. JAY SEKULOW: YOU HAVE- I WAS
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  • GONNA SAY, HARRY, SHE'D BE DEAD. I MEAN HARRY, PROFESSOR
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  • HUTCHINSON, SHE WOULD BE. WITHOUT AN INTERNATIONAL
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  • ATTENTION THAT SENSE WOULD HAVE BEEN EXECUTED. HARRY HUTCHINSON:
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  • ABSOLUTELY. SO, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS FROM THE CONTEXT OF THE
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  • DOMESTIC POLITICAL ATMOSPHERE IN PAKISTAN THIS WOULD BE AN EASY
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  • CASE FOR THE JUSTICES. IN OTHER WORDS, THEY COULD THROW OUT THE
  • 00:22:43.000 --> 00:22:46.270
  • PRESUMPTION OF INNOCENCE. THEY COULD THROW OUT THE RULE OF LAW,
  • 00:22:46.280 --> 00:22:51.030
  • BECAUSE THEY'RE UNDER INTENSE PRESSURE FROM CLERIC CLERICS AND
  • 00:22:51.040 --> 00:22:56.040
  • ACTIVISTS TO EXECUTE SOMEONE FOR A CRIME SHE DID NOT COMMIT. SO,
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  • IT'S ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL TO MAINTAIN INTERNATIONAL POLITICAL
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  • PRESSURE SO THAT THE OUTCOME OF THIS CASE CAN BE REVERSED IN HER
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  • FAVOR. JAY SEKULOW: ALL RIGHT, PRAY FOR THESE- PRAY FOR ASIA
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  • BIBI, OF COURSE, AND HER FAMILY. BUT PRAY FOR THESE JUDGES THAT
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  • ARE GONNA MAKE THAT DECISION. COULD COME OUT AT ANY- LITERALLY
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  • AT ANY MOMENT. AND IT'S THAT IMPORTANT THAT WE HEAR FROM YOU
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  • ON THIS. REALLY CRITICAL THAT WE HEAR FROM YOU ON THIS. AND THAT
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  • YOU'RE PRAYING FOR ASIA BIBI AND PRAYING FOR THESE JUDGES WHO
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  • WILL MAKE THE DECISION. AS WE GET MORE INFORMATION, OF COURSE
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  • WE WILL GET IT TO YOU. THAT'S GONNA DO IT FOR THE BROADCAST
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  • THIS WEEK. LET ME ENCOURAGE YOU TO PRAY FOR ASIA BIBI, BUT
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  • REALLY, PRAY FOR THOSE JUDGES. VERY VERY IMPORTANT THAT THOSE
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  • JUDGES HAVE THE POWER. THEY HAVE IT LEGALLY, BUT WHETHER THEY
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  • FEEL THE RELEASE TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT, AND THAT'S TO LET THIS
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  • WOMAN GO. SHE'S BEEN SENTENCED TO DEATH BECAUSE SHE'S A
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  • CHRISTIAN. AND BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THERE ARE NO CHARGES
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  • THAT CAN BE LEVELED AGAINST HER. AND THE JUDGES WERE CLEAR ON
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  • THAT. THEY ALSO QUESTIONED THE LAW THAT WAS BEING APPLIED HERE.
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  • THESE JUDGES WERE BRAVE JUST HAVING THE HEARING, BUT NOW
  • 00:24:02.270 --> 00:24:05.150
  • THEY'VE GOT TO MAKE A DECISION. THE POLITICAL PRESSURE IS
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  • INTENSE, BUT THE LOCAL PRESSURE FROM ISLAMIC EXREMIST IS ALSO
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  • INTENSE. YOU SAW THAT IN THESE MEME'S THAT WERE UP THAT WERE
  • 00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:13.190
  • TALKING ABOUT KILLING ASIA BIBI, HAVING HER EXCUTED. FIGHT BACK.
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  • PRAYER MAKES A DIFFERENCE. WE COME TO YOU EACH AND EVERY WEEK
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  • ON THE TRINITY BROADCAST NETWORK. WE ARE ABLE TO
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  • BROADCAST LITERALLY AROUND THE GLOBE. SO, THANK YOU FOR BEING
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  • APART OF OUR TEAM. THANK YOU FOR BEING APART OF TBN. WE'LL TALK
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  • TO YOU NEXT WEEK.
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