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October 15, 2019
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Pastor Brunson Joins us in Studio after 2 years in Turkish Prison Part 2

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  • [MUSIC]
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  • LIVE FROM WASHINGTON D.C. JAY SEKULOW LIVE.
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  • PHONE LINES ARE OPEN FOR YOUR QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • AND NOW CHIEF COUNSEL
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  • FOR THE AMERICAN CENTER FOR LAW AND
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  • JUSTICE, JAY SEKULOW!
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • JAY SEKULOW: WE'VE GOT A VERY SPECIAL
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  • BROADCAST TODAY AND THAT IS WE
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  • DON'T OFTEN GET TO DO THIS, BUT PASTOR ANDREW AND HIS WIFE
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  • NOREEN BRUNSON ARE WITH US IN OUR STUDIOS HERE AT OUR MEDIA
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  • CENTER. LOOK, NORMALLY THE WAY THESE THINGS WORK, AND YOU KNOW
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  • THIS, AND WE'RE JUST THRILLED THAT THEY CAME AND TALKED TO OUR
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  • STAFF TODAY, WHICH WAS REALLY, OUR TEAM TODAY, WHICH WAS REALLY
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  • IMPORTANT, BUT THE WAY THESE THINGS WORK IS WHEN WE'RE DONE
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  • WITH ONE CASE, WE SAY THE SAME THING, NEXT CASE. AND THE NEXT
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  • CASE, OF COURSE, IS PASTOR JOHN CAO. AND THAT IS A PASTOR,
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  • AGAIN, A PERMANENT AMERICAN RESIDENT, IN JAIL IN CHINA NOW
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  • GOING ON TWO YEARS. SAME KIND OF SITUATION THERE, BUT WE'RE GOING
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  • TO TALK TO THE BRUNSON'S ABOUT THEIR SITUATION. BUT BEFORE WE
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  • DO LET'S GET AN UPDATE ON PASTOR CAO'S CASE BECAUSE THAT'S
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  • ONGOING RIGHT NOW. CECE. CECE HEIL: RIGHT, SO, PASTOR CAO HAD
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  • AN OUTSTANDING APPEAL THAT THE COURT WOULD JUST NEVER HEAR;
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  • PUSHED IT AND PUSHED IT AND PUSHED IT AND JUST DELAYED IT.
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  • WE WENT TO THE WORKING GROUP ON ARBITRARY DETENTION. WE'VE GONE
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  • TO THE CAPITOL SEVERAL TIMES IN D.C. AND HAVE PUSHED FOR HIM TO,
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  • AT LEAST, HAVE AN APPEAL BECAUSE HE WAS WRONGFULLY CONVICTED,
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  • SENTENCED TO SEVEN YEARS IN PRISON. JUST RECENTLY HE FINALLY
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  • GOT HIS APPEAL BUT THEY DIDN'T HEAR HIS CASE. ALL THEY DID WAS
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  • ANNOUNCE THAT THEY WERE SENDING HIM ON TO PRISON. SO, HE'S NOW
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  • BEEN TRANSFERRED TO PRISON AFTER ALREADY SITTING IN A DETENTION
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  • CENTER FOR TWO YEARS. HE'S NOW BEEN TRANSFERRED TO PRISON AND
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  • GOING THROUGH, WHAT THEY CALL, AN ORIENTATION PERIOD, WHICH IS,
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  • BASICALLY, KIND OF THE BRAINWASHING PERIOD THAT THEY DO
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  • TO THE PRISONERS. UNFORTUNATELY, FOR THESE TWO YEARS THAT HE HAS
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  • BEEN, OVER TWO YEARS THAT HE'S BEEN IN PRISON, HE HAS NOT BEEN
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  • ABLE TO SEE HIS FAMILY AT ALL. HE HAS NOT BEEN ALLOWED ANY
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  • VISITATION WITH HIS WIFE OR HIS TWO SONS. DURING THE TIME IN THE
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  • DETENTION CENTER HE ONLY WAS ALLOWED VISITATION WITH HIS
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  • ATTORNEYS. THAT HAPPENED MAYBE ONCE EVERY TWO MONTHS. SO, IT'S
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  • A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION FOR HIM BECAUSE HE REALLY DOES NOT
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  • KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. AND THERE ARE TIMES WHERE WE CAN'T EVEN
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  • HAVE ANY ACCESS TO HIM. JORDAN SEKULOW: I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT,
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  • TOO, THIS WAS SOMETHING WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH PASTOR
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  • BRUNSON WITH PASTOR CAO'S CASE, IT JUST WAS BROUGHT UP, THIS
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  • IDEA THAT CAO HAS NOT HAD ANY VISITATION. AND YOU TALKED
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  • ABOUT, PASTOR BRUNSON, PASTOR BRUNSON: YES. -THE IDEA THAT
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  • WHEN YOU STARTED TO HAVE SOME VISITATION ONCE A WEEK, WHEN
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  • NOREEN WAS ABLE TO VISIT YOU AND KIND OF GIVE YOU UPDATES AND
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  • INFORMATION AND ENCOURAGEMENT, THAT THAT WAS VERY SIGNIFICANT
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  • FOR YOU. -IT WAS A LIFESAVER FOR ME. I WAS VERY ISOLATED. I
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  • DIDN'T HAVE OTHER CHRISTIANS AROUND ME. I WAS SURROUNDED
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  • COMPLETELY BY MUSLIMS. SO, I FELT VERY ISOLATED IN MY FAITH,
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  • ESPECIALLY. AND SO, TO MEET WITH NOREEN, SHE WAS THE ONLY
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  • CHRISTIAN I COULD MEET WITH. -WOULD THEY ACTUALLY LET NOREEN
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  • IN THE ROOM OR WAS IT THROUGH GLASS? -NO, IT WAS THROUGH
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  • REINFORCED GLASS AND ON TELEPHONES. -YEP. -SO, WE HAD
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  • ABOUT 35 MINUTES IN ONE PRISON AND THE NEXT ONE IT WAS LIKE
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  • HEAVEN. I GOT UP TO ONE HOUR WITH HER A WEEK. AND THAT WAS A
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  • TIME WHEN SHE WOULD COME IN AND ENCOURAGE ME AND SPEAK TRUTH TO
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  • ME. AND THAT WOULD KEEP ME GOING TO THE NEXT WEEK. -NOREEN,
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  • BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS I REMEMBER THAT WE WERE CONCERNED
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  • ABOUT DURING EVERY TIME YOU WERE, I KNOW YOU WERE SPEAKING
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  • TO CECE, BUT SOMETHING I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT, AS THE CHIEF
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  • COUNSEL OF THIS ORGANIZATION, IS I WAS WORRIED ABOUT THEM PICKING
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  • YOU UP BECAUSE THEY HAD ORIGINALLY PULLED YOU FOR
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  • DETENTION. SO, I WAS ALWAYS WORRIED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE GOT
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  • TO KEEP AN EYE ON THAT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T END UP WITH TWO
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  • PICKED UP. WAS THAT EVER A CONCERN OF YOURS? I KNOW YOU
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  • WERE. -SURE. -YEAH. -SURE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A POSSIBILITY
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  • AND, ESPECIALLY, IN THE BEGINNING IN OUR APARTMENT
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  • BUILDING. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU ASKED WHAT IS IT LIKE LIVING
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  • OVER THERE, IT'S VERY DENSE. SO, HIGH-RISES, AND I WOULD HEAR
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  • PEOPLE IN THE STAIRS OF THE BUILDING AND, ESPECIALLY, IF I'D
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  • HEAR MEN'S VOICES, SEVERAL MEN, YOU KNOW, THEN I'D THINK, OH,
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  • ARE THEY COMING TO MY DOOR? -YEAH. -SO, THAT WAS
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  • DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, A POSSIBILITY, BUT- -SHE STAYED
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  • AT PERSONAL RISK TO HERSELF -YES. -AND SHE DID THIS
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  • BECAUSE SHE WAS THE ONLY PERSON WHO COULD VISIT ME. AND SO SHE
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  • WAS REALLY KEEPING ME ALIVE. -REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT.
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  • THANN, I WANT TO JUST, I MEAN, ONLY 30 SECONDS HERE BEFORE WE
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  • GO TO A BREAK, THIS WAS A MONUMENTAL EFFORT BY YOUR TEAM
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  • UP THERE AS WELL. THANN BENNETT: YEAH, THE SCOPE AND BREADTH THAT
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  • THIS WAS REALLY UNSURPASSED, JAY. BUT LOOK, THE RESPONSE FROM
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  • THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT WAS UNIFIED AS WELL. WE CAN GET INTO
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  • SOME OF THAT, BUT A BIG PART OF THIS, JAY, WAS THE UNITED STATES
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  • SPEAKING WITH ONE VOICE. -AS WE TAKE A BREAK, FOLKS, LET ME
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  • ENCOURAGE YOU TO PRAY FOR PASTOR CAO AND THE OTHER CASES WE'RE
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  • INVOLVED IN FOR THE CHURCH AS WELL. BACK WITH MORE IN A
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  • MOMENT.
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  • JAY SEKULOW: HEY, WELCOME BACK
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  • TO THE BROADCAST AND WE'RE TAKING YOUR CALLS AT
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  • 800-684-3110. WE'RE HERE WITH NOREEN BRUNSON AND ANDREW
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  • BRUNSON AND WE'RE GETTING PHONE CALLS COMING IN AS WELL AT
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  • 800-684-3110. I WANT TO GO TO CECE, WELL, FIRST LET ME ASK
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  • THIS TO PASTOR BRUNSON AND TO NOREEN. SO, TO ANDREW AND
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  • NOREEN, SO, ANDREW, WHEN YOU FOUND OUT YOU WERE GOING TO BE
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  • RELEASED, I MEAN, AT FIRST IT WAS HOME CONFINEMENT. CORRECT?
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  • WHERE YOU WERE SENT TO YOUR HOME, WHICH HAD TO STILL BE A
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  • RELIEF. PASTOR BRUNSON: AFTER PRISON I WAS SENT TO HOME
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  • CONFINEMENT, BUT IT WAS STILL VERY STRESSFUL BECAUSE THEN THE
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  • ECONOMY STARTED GOING BAD UNDER THE SANCTIONS. AND SO I DIDN'T
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  • KNOW WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN AND AT ANY POINT THEY COULD PUT
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  • ME BACK IN PRISON. NOREEN BRUNSON: AND THERE WERE CALLS
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  • FOR THAT. -YES. WELL, WITHIN TURKEY? -YES. -YES, OH, YES.
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  • -WE KNEW HERE THAT THOSE SANCTIONS WERE GOING TO,
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  • ULTIMATELY, GET YOU OUT QUICKER. BECAUSE THE ECONOMIC IMPACT,
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  • THIS WAS ACTUALLY, AS I SAID NOT JOKINGLY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS
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  • FINANCIAL TIMES OR ONE OF THEM, IT MAY HAVE BEEN CNBC, IT WAS
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  • ONE OF THE FINANCIAL PAPERS SAID THAT ON JAY SEKULOW'S RADIO
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  • BROADCAST THEY MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS PROGRESS MADE IN
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  • PASTOR BRUNSON'S CASE AND THE LIRA HAD AN UPTICK. I MEAN, THIS
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  • TELLS YOU HOW, IT WAS THE GEOPOLITICAL ASPECTS OF THIS.
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  • WHEN YOU DO THESE KIND OF CASES, FOLKS, AND THIS IS WHERE I
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  • APPRECIATE OUR ACLJ MEMBERS, UNDERSTAND FROM OUR TEAM WE'RE
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  • HANDLING IT WITH THE MEDIA, WE'RE HANDLING IT WITH THE
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  • DIPLOMACY, WE'RE HANDLING IT WITH, THANN'S HANDLING IT WITH
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  • GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS, CECE'S HANDLING THE LEGAL END IN
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  • TURKEY, WE'RE WORKING THE CONGRESSIONAL ISSUES HERE. BUT
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  • LET ME TELL YOU WHAT ELSE WE'RE WORKING ON-THE ECONOMICS IN
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  • THESE CASES WHEN THAT ECONOMIC ISSUE CAN BE HELPFUL. AND,
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  • THANN, HERE IT MADE A GIGANTIC DIFFERENCE. THANN BENNETT: MADE
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  • A HUGE DIFFERENCE, JAY. FIRST OF ALL, HELLO, ANDREW AND NOREEN,
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  • GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. BUT LOOK, ON THIS CASE OF SANCTIONS AND,
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  • JAY, YOU WILL REMEMBER THIS, SPECIFICALLY, AN ISSUE INVOLVING
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  • THE F-35, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CONGRESS WAS WILLING TO PUT
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  • PRESSURE ON FROM THE BEGINNING. AND MOST ADMINISTRATIONS, JAY,
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  • WILL NOT ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. BECAUSE THINK ABOUT HOW
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  • SIGNIFICANT AN ALLY TURKEY WAS AND IS, BOTH ON THE ECONOMIC
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  • SIDE AND THE MILITARY SIDE. ANY IDEA OF FRACTURING SOME OF THOSE
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  • SECURITY AGREEMENTS WOULD HAVE BEEN OPPOSED BY MANY
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  • ADMINISTRATIONS. THIS ADMINISTRATION WAS OPEN TO THAT
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  • CONVERSATION, JAY. AND SO, I KNOW YOU REMEMBER THIS, BUT JUST
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  • SO OUR LISTENERS REMEMBER, IN ADDITION TO THE SANCTIONS JUST A
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  • COUPLE OF MONTHS BEFORE PASTOR BRUNSON WAS RELEASED, CONGRESS
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  • SENT TO THE PRESIDENT A BILL THAT ACTUALLY SAID NO MORE F-35S
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  • UNTIL PASTOR BRUNSON IS HOME. THOSE COMBINATIONS OF PRESSURE
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  • POINTS, JAY, WERE A BIG REASON HE CAME HOME. -THAT WAS DEEMED
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  • AT THE TIME TO BE A CONTROVERSIAL MOVE BECAUSE SOME
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  • OF OUR FRIENDS WERE CONCERNED. I WILL TELL YOU THIS, THOUGH, WE
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  • WERE WORKING ALL OF THE BACK-CHANNEL INFORMATION ON THIS
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  • TO KEEP THIS THING, TO KEEP THE CASE MOVING FORWARD. THAT'S YOU
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  • WANT-TO GET SOME KIND OF MOMENTUM GOING HERE. JORDAN
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  • SEKULOW: PEARCE IS CALLING FROM NORTH CAROLINA ON LINE ONE AND
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  • HAS A QUESTION FOR THE BRUNSON'S. PEARCE, WELCOME TO
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  • JAY SEKULOW LIVE. YOU'RE ON THE AIR. -QUICK QUESTION, ME AND MY
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  • WIFE'S BEEN CALLED TO DO MISSION WORK IN BANGLADESH. WE ACTUALLY
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  • LEAVE TWO WEEKS FROM TODAY, AND I JUST HAD A QUESTION FOR PASTOR
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  • ABOUT HOW HE KNEW, AND MAYBE HE COULD SHARE ABOUT THE CALL GOD
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  • PUT ON HIS LIFE TO GO AND DO LONG-TERM MISSIONS AND WHAT THAT
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  • WAS LIKE? -THANKS, PEARCE. -WELL, FOR MANY YEARS I WANTED
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  • TO BE A MISSIONARY SINCE I WAS A KID, AND WE WENT TO THE LARGEST
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  • UNEVANGELIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. I THINK NOW IS THE TIME
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  • FOR MUSLIMS, TIME FOR THE CHURCH TO BE FOCUSED ON WINNING THEM.
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  • THEY ARE, OBVIOUSLY, A HUGE GROUP WITH VERY FEW BELIEVERS IN
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  • THEM. SO, I THINK THIS IS A TIME FOR A MUSLIMS. -SO, IT WAS
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  • EARLY, WHEN YOU SAY IT WAS EARLIER, WAS THIS WHEN YOU WERE
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  • A KID, EARLY ON IN YOUR LIFE? -YES. -WHAT ABOUT YOU, NOREEN?
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  • -THERE IS A STORY BEHIND IT, ACTUALLY. HE HAD A VERY UNUSUAL
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  • CALLING, AND I REALIZED AFTER I MET HIM THAT IF I MARRY THIS
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  • MAN, I'M GOING TO THE MISSION FIELD. SO, IT WAS A PACKAGE
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  • DEAL. AM I WILLING FOR THIS OR NOT? I FOLLOWED AND THEN THE
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  • LORD REALLY WORKED IN MY HEART. -YEAH, SO YOU GO TO TURKEY, YOU
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  • GET THERE, YOU ESTABLISH THE CHURCH. I MEAN, IT'S HARD FOR
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  • PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT FOR OVER TWO DECADES YOU REALLY,
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  • OTHER THAN YOU HAD OCCASIONAL ISSUES, BUT YOU DIDN'T HAVE
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  • GOVERNMENTAL ISSUES OF THIS SIGNIFICANCE. DID THIS,
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  • LITERALLY, KIND OF COME OUT OF THE BLUE? -ABSOLUTELY. AND I'M
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  • THE FIRST PERSON WHO'S BEEN PUT IN PRISON IN TURKEY. SO, IT WAS
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  • REALLY UNEXPECTED. -FOR THIS KIND, FOR BEING A CHRISTIAN?
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  • -YES. -YEAH, I MEAN, TO ME, CECE, THAT WAS ALWAYS THE ISSUE
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  • HERE. IT WAS LIKE WHAT TRIGGERED, YOU ALWAYS WONDER
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  • WHAT WAS THE TRIGGERING EVENT? CECE HEIL: RIGHT, WE TIED IT
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  • BACK TO THE FAILED COUP ATTEMPT THAT HAPPENED JUST, YOU KNOW,
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  • PREVIOUS TO YOU BEING PICKED UP IN OCTOBER. IT HAPPENED THAT
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  • SUMMER. AND IT SEEMED LIKE THAT PRESIDENT ERDOGAN WAS TARGETING
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  • ANYONE WHO HE THOUGHT WAS A THREAT TO HIS REGIME. AND THAT
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  • WOULD, OF COURSE, INCLUDE CHRISTIANS. AND THEN, BUT PASTOR
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  • BRUNSON BECAME KIND OF A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN JUST A CHRISTIAN
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  • TO DEPORT. -YEAH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALSO A CAREFUL BALANCE
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  • IN THIS OF ELEVATING THESE CASES AND MAKING SURE YOU'RE NOT OVER
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  • ELEVATING THE CASE. -ONE THING THAT WE POINTED OUT, I REMEMBER
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  • POINTING OUT TO OUR AUDIENCE HERE, ESPECIALLY AS IS GOT MORE
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  • AND MORE HEATED WHEN THE SANCTIONS ISSUE CAME UP AND THE
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  • TWO INDIVIDUALS FROM THE ERDOGAN GOVERNMENT WERE SANCTIONED, I
  • 00:09:52.010 --> 00:09:56.090
  • THINK IT WAS HIS JUSTICE MINISTER AND HIS INTERIOR
  • 00:09:56.100 --> 00:09:58.100
  • MINISTER, SO, TWO VERY HIGH-RANKING OFFICIALS, AND THE
  • 00:09:58.110 --> 00:10:01.070
  • ECONOMY IN TURKEY JUST STARTED TANKING VERY QUICKLY, HAVING A
  • 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:04.270
  • WORLDWIDE IMPACT ALL BECAUSE OF THE U.S. DEMAND THAT PASTOR
  • 00:10:04.280 --> 00:10:09.280
  • BRUNSON BE RELEASED. BUT WE REMINDED PEOPLE THAT HERE IN THE
  • 00:10:09.290 --> 00:10:13.100
  • UNITED STATES WE HAVE 24/7 NEWS CYCLE, THERE'S ALL THESE
  • 00:10:13.110 --> 00:10:17.100
  • STORIES, AND YOU WERE ON, I MEAN, THE STORY WAS ON. IT WAS
  • 00:10:17.110 --> 00:10:19.230
  • BEING COVERED AND TALKED ABOUT. THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
  • 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:21.130
  • STATES WAS TALKING ABOUT IT. BUT IN TURKEY YOU WERE LIKE A
  • 00:10:21.140 --> 00:10:24.160
  • FRONT-PAGE NEWS ITEM EVERY SINGLE DAY. YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE
  • 00:10:24.170 --> 00:10:27.020
  • SEEN IT BECAUSE YOU WERE IN PRISON. BUT, I MEAN, IT WAS
  • 00:10:27.030 --> 00:10:28.240
  • EVERY DAY. SOME REALLY NASTY STUFF, HORRIBLE ALLEGATIONS
  • 00:10:28.250 --> 00:10:32.170
  • ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE SPYING AND THE THREAT THAT HE POSED TO THE
  • 00:10:32.180 --> 00:10:34.290
  • COUNTRY. JUST TELL PEOPLE ABOUT THAT, IN TURKEY THEY REALLY MADE
  • 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:40.040
  • THIS KIND OF STORY ABOUT PASTOR BRUNSON, -WHICH AFFECTED YOUR
  • 00:10:40.050 --> 00:10:43.170
  • SAFETY. -WHICH, I THINK, ALSO WAS PROBABLY TIED TO THE FACT
  • 00:10:43.180 --> 00:10:46.030
  • THAT THEY HAD NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE TO A CHRISTIAN OR TO AN
  • 00:10:46.040 --> 00:10:49.040
  • INDIVIDUAL LIKE THIS, TO IMPRISON THEM, SO THEY HAD TO
  • 00:10:49.050 --> 00:10:51.190
  • MAKE UP A STORY ABOUT WHY. -SO, I THINK THE TURKISH GOVERNMENT
  • 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:55.020
  • WAS BEHIND, IT WAS A PROPAGANDA CAMPAIGN IN THE MEDIA, AND THE
  • 00:10:55.030 --> 00:11:00.080
  • ATTEMPT WAS TO TO PAINT CHRISTIANS IN A VERY NEGATIVE
  • 00:11:00.090 --> 00:11:04.140
  • WAY. SO, THERE'S ALREADY A NEGATIVE PERCEPTION OF
  • 00:11:04.150 --> 00:11:06.180
  • CHRISTIANS, BUT IT WAS TO ENFLAME THIS. AND BY SAYING ALL
  • 00:11:06.190 --> 00:11:10.280
  • THESE THINGS ABOUT ME, THEY WERE REALLY, THEY WERE PAINTING ME
  • 00:11:10.290 --> 00:11:12.280
  • WITH A BRUSH, BUT THEY WERE ALSO PAINTING THE ENTIRE CHRISTIAN
  • 00:11:12.290 --> 00:11:15.150
  • CHURCH, THE COMMUNITY IN TURKEY WITH THE SAME THING. AND THIS IS
  • 00:11:15.160 --> 00:11:18.250
  • PREPARING THE GROUND SO THAT IN THE FUTURE WHEN THERE IS
  • 00:11:18.260 --> 00:11:21.090
  • PERSECUTION, THEN THE MAJORITY OF TURKISH CITIZENS WILL SAY,
  • 00:11:21.100 --> 00:11:25.100
  • WELL, THEY DESERVE IT. -TINA WRITES WERE YOU ABLE TO HAVE A
  • 00:11:25.110 --> 00:11:28.190
  • BIBLE IN PRISON? - EVENTUALLY. EVERY TIME THEY MOVED ME TO A
  • 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:33.270
  • NEW PLACE THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. SOMETIMES I DIDN'T
  • 00:11:33.280 --> 00:11:36.050
  • HAVE ONE AND SOMETIMES I DID. -YEAH. HOW TRAUMATIC WAS, WHEN
  • 00:11:36.060 --> 00:11:39.280
  • YOU WERE MOVED TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION, HOW TRAUMATIC WAS
  • 00:11:39.290 --> 00:11:42.130
  • THAT, AS A PRISONER? -IT COULD BE VERY TRAUMATIC. YES. -YOU
  • 00:11:42.140 --> 00:11:45.250
  • DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO. YOU BECOME INSTITUTIONALIZED,
  • 00:11:45.260 --> 00:11:48.250
  • ANY LITTLE CHANGE AFFECTS MORE THAN IT NORMALLY WOULD. -YEAH.
  • 00:11:48.260 --> 00:11:52.010
  • -I SAW THAT CLEARLY IN HIM. -AND SOME OF THE THINGS I HAD
  • 00:11:52.020 --> 00:11:53.190
  • WON IN PREVIOUS PLACES, I COULD LOSE IN THE NEXT PLACE. -RIGHT.
  • 00:11:53.200 --> 00:11:57.020
  • DIDN'T NECESSARILY TRANSFER. -LIKE MY BOOKS OR A BIBLE, FOR
  • 00:11:57.030 --> 00:11:59.120
  • EXAMPLE. -SO, NOREEN, THE CHURCH, ANDREW'S IN JAIL, WHAT'S
  • 00:11:59.130 --> 00:12:04.080
  • HAPPENING IN THE CHURCH AT THAT TIME? -WE CONTINUED. SO, I WAS
  • 00:12:04.090 --> 00:12:07.190
  • JUST SO PROUD OF THEM FOR CONTINUING AND PRESSED INTO GOD,
  • 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:13.110
  • PRAYED, WORSHIPED. -UNAFRAID, REALLY? -KEPT GOING. -YEAH.
  • 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:18.030
  • -I THINK THERE WAS FEAR, BUT I THINK THERE WAS, -THERE WAS
  • 00:12:18.040 --> 00:12:19.280
  • FEAR. OH, THERE WAS FEAR. -THEY SHOWED GREAT COURAGE IN
  • 00:12:19.290 --> 00:12:21.280
  • CONTINUING, -BUT IN THE MIDST OF THAT, THEY KEPT GOING. -WE
  • 00:12:21.290 --> 00:12:24.180
  • HAVE A FACEBOOK COMMENT THAT CAME IN FROM A CHRISTINE AND SHE
  • 00:12:24.190 --> 00:12:26.280
  • ASKED, IS THAT CHURCH STILL OPERATING TODAY IN TURKEY? -IT
  • 00:12:26.290 --> 00:12:30.240
  • IS. -THAT'S GREAT NEWS FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND. -THAT IS,
  • 00:12:30.250 --> 00:12:33.120
  • YEAH. -AND MORE AND MORE SEEKERS, AND PEOPLE ARE LINKING
  • 00:12:33.130 --> 00:12:36.050
  • THIS DIRECTLY TO THE AMOUNT OF PRAYER THAT POURED INTO TURKEY.
  • 00:12:36.060 --> 00:12:39.020
  • -YEAH. -THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BEING SEEN IN A NUMBER OF
  • 00:12:39.030 --> 00:12:42.040
  • CHURCHES ALREADY. -HEY, THANN, WHAT DO YOU THINK WAS THE
  • 00:12:42.050 --> 00:12:44.240
  • MOMENT, POLITICALLY THE MOMENT, I MEAN, I KNOW THE WHITE HOUSE
  • 00:12:44.250 --> 00:12:47.140
  • SIDE CUZ I WAS IN THAT, BUT ON THE HILL, WHAT WAS THE MOMENT? I
  • 00:12:47.150 --> 00:12:51.010
  • MEAN, THERE WERE SEVERAL BUT WHAT WOULD YOU SAY THE CASCADING
  • 00:12:51.020 --> 00:12:53.000
  • MOMENTS HERE WERE, THE KIND OF KEY POINTS ALONG THE WAY? FOR
  • 00:12:53.010 --> 00:12:55.180
  • PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT IT TAKES TO DO THIS. THANN BENNETT: YEAH,
  • 00:12:55.190 --> 00:12:58.090
  • I WILL GIVE YOU A COUPLE, JAY. ONE IS MORE OF A GEOPOLITICAL
  • 00:12:58.100 --> 00:13:01.030
  • FACTOR AND ONE IS A PERSONAL FACTOR. THE PERSONAL FACTOR
  • 00:13:01.040 --> 00:13:04.090
  • REALLY IS ONE OF THE UNSUNG HEROES IN THIS CASE AND THAT'S
  • 00:13:04.100 --> 00:13:07.060
  • THE BRUNSON'S DAUGHTER. JACQUELINE. WHO CAME TO THE HILL
  • 00:13:07.070 --> 00:13:09.110
  • TO TESTIFY IN FRONT OF THE HELSINKI COMMISSION. I THINK
  • 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:11.280
  • CECE TALKED ABOUT HER TESTIFYING IN FRONT OF THE HUMAN RIGHTS
  • 00:13:11.290 --> 00:13:15.010
  • COUNCIL IN GENEVA AS WELL. BUT, JAY, THAT PUT A FACE WITH A
  • 00:13:15.020 --> 00:13:18.180
  • STORY. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, PASTOR BRUNSON IS IN PRISON ON
  • 00:13:18.190 --> 00:13:21.190
  • THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD AND NOREEN IS OVER THERE WITH HIM,
  • 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:23.210
  • BUT JACQUELINE CAME TO THE HILL TO PUT A FACE TO THE CASE. I
  • 00:13:23.220 --> 00:13:26.270
  • THINK THAT MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE HERE IN WASHINGTON D.C. AND THEN
  • 00:13:26.280 --> 00:13:30.030
  • GEOPOLITICALLY, JAY, I REALLY THINK IT WAS THE WHITE HOUSE
  • 00:13:30.040 --> 00:13:33.000
  • BEING WILLING TO STAND BEHIND PRESSURE POINTS. I KNOW WE
  • 00:13:33.010 --> 00:13:35.170
  • TALKED ABOUT THIS GENERICALLY, BUT I'M HOLDING IN MY HANDS A
  • 00:13:35.180 --> 00:13:39.050
  • LETTER FROM 66 UNITED STATES SENATORS DEMANDING PASTOR
  • 00:13:39.060 --> 00:13:42.260
  • BRUNSON'S RELEASE. YOU CAN'T GET 66 SENATORS TO AGREE ON JUST
  • 00:13:42.270 --> 00:13:46.080
  • ABOUT ANYTHING IN WASHINGTON D.C. THE REASON THEY FELL IN
  • 00:13:46.090 --> 00:13:49.130
  • LINE TO SUCH AN EXTENT THOUGH, JAY, IS BECAUSE THEY WERE
  • 00:13:49.140 --> 00:13:51.220
  • GETTING A SIGNAL FROM DOWN THE STREET THAT THE PRESIDENT, THE
  • 00:13:51.230 --> 00:13:54.250
  • COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF, WAS WILLING TO USE SANCTIONS, WAS WILLING TO
  • 00:13:54.260 --> 00:13:58.080
  • USE A SECURITY FORCE TO GET PASTOR BRUNSON'S RELEASE. I
  • 00:13:58.090 --> 00:14:01.160
  • THINK THOSE TWO THINGS ARE REALLY THE THINGS THAT STARTED
  • 00:14:01.170 --> 00:14:04.200
  • TO TURN THE TIDE. AND I THINK TURKEY SAW, LOOK, THIS IS
  • 00:14:04.210 --> 00:14:07.010
  • INEVITABLE. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOW LONG THIS PAIN IS GONNA
  • 00:14:07.020 --> 00:14:09.150
  • CONTINUE. WE WANT TO TURN THAT PAIN OFF SO WE'LL SEND HIM HOME.
  • 00:14:09.160 --> 00:14:13.270
  • -WE'RE GONNA PLAY JACQUELINE'S APPEARANCE BEFORE THE U.N.'S
  • 00:14:13.280 --> 00:14:16.260
  • HUMAN RIGHTS COUNCIL EITHER DURING THE BREAK OR WHEN WE COME
  • 00:14:16.270 --> 00:14:19.240
  • BACK. HOW LONG IS TEAM? -1:30. -YEAH, WELL, LET'S PLAY IT ON
  • 00:14:19.250 --> 00:14:24.250
  • AIR WHEN WE COME BACK FROM THE BREAK. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT.
  • 00:14:24.260 --> 00:14:27.010
  • ALL RIGHT, LAST SEGMENT WE'LL TAKE SOME MORE CALLS, MORE
  • 00:14:27.020 --> 00:14:29.030
  • COMMENTS, 800-684-3110, 800-684-3110. CECE, QUICKLY,
  • 00:14:29.040 --> 00:14:34.290
  • WHEN DID YOU KNOW IT WAS, IT WAS DONE? -YOU KNOW, I REALLY THINK
  • 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:38.120
  • THERE WERE A COUPLE TIMES THROUGHOUT THE TWO-YEAR PERIOD,
  • 00:14:38.130 --> 00:14:40.130
  • BUT I THINK WHEN THE WHOLE WORLD STARTED THE ECONOMIC PRESSURE,
  • 00:14:40.140 --> 00:14:44.100
  • -YEAH, -OF, LOOK, WE'RE ALL GONNA PULL OUT OF TURKEY, WHERE
  • 00:14:44.110 --> 00:14:47.110
  • THEY WERE WATCHING WHAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN WITH PASTOR
  • 00:14:47.120 --> 00:14:49.030
  • BRUNSON, THAT'S WHEN I KNEW, OKAY, SOMETHING'S GONNA HAPPEN.
  • 00:14:49.040 --> 00:14:52.100
  • BECAUSE IT WASN'T JUST THE UNITED STATES, IT WAS THE WORLD
  • 00:14:52.110 --> 00:14:54.080
  • THEN. -I WAS GETTING CALLS FROM TURKEY'S LOBBYISTS. THEY WERE,
  • 00:14:54.090 --> 00:14:56.290
  • THEY WERE CONCERNED. SO, END RESULT WAS PRETTY GREAT. AGAIN
  • 00:14:57.000 --> 00:15:02.130
  • YOUR THOUGHTS, YOUR PRAYERS, YOUR SUPPORT FOR OUR WORK
  • 00:15:02.140 --> 00:15:05.000
  • ALLOWED US TO WORK ON THOSE CASES. IN THE NEXT SEGMENT, I'M
  • 00:15:05.010 --> 00:15:07.130
  • GONNA TAKE YOU THROUGH WHAT THAT'S LIKE AS WELL. SO, WE'LL
  • 00:15:07.140 --> 00:15:10.050
  • BE BACK WITH MORE IN A MOMENT. AS WE TAKE A BREAK, FOLKS, LET
  • 00:15:10.060 --> 00:15:12.120
  • ME ENCOURAGE YOU TO PRAY FOR PASTOR CAO AND THE OTHER CASES
  • 00:15:12.130 --> 00:15:15.220
  • WE'RE INVOLVED IN FOR THE CHURCH AS WELL. BACK WITH MORE IN A
  • 00:15:15.230 --> 00:15:18.210
  • MOMENT.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • JAY SEKULOW: JOINED BY PASTOR
  • 00:15:26.210 --> 00:15:27.290
  • ANDREW BRUNSON AND HIS WIFE NOREEN. YOU JUST SAID SOMETHING
  • 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:29.220
  • VERY INTERESTING BEFORE WE WENT ON THE AIR, ANDREW, WE WERE ON
  • 00:15:29.230 --> 00:15:32.250
  • THIS BREAK AND THAT WAS FROM THE, YOU SAID FROM THE
  • 00:15:32.260 --> 00:15:34.140
  • COURTHOUSE TO THE WHITE HOUSE, BASICALLY. PASTOR BRUNSON: I WAS
  • 00:15:34.150 --> 00:15:38.060
  • STANDING IN A TURKISH COURTROOM AND I WAS CONVICTED OF TERRORISM
  • 00:15:38.070 --> 00:15:41.240
  • AND I THOUGHT I WAS GOING BACK TO PRISON, AND WITHIN A DAY
  • 00:15:41.250 --> 00:15:45.120
  • WE'RE IN THE WHITE HOUSE. SO, IT'S A PRETTY AMAZING
  • 00:15:45.130 --> 00:15:47.230
  • TURNAROUND. THE JOSEPH STORY. -I DO REMEMBER, OUR FRIEND RICK
  • 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:50.270
  • GRENELL, WHO'S THE AMBASSADOR FROM THE UNITED STATES TO
  • 00:15:50.280 --> 00:15:53.130
  • GERMANY, MET YOU, WAS IT LIKE 2 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING WHEN YOU,
  • 00:15:53.140 --> 00:15:55.160
  • TELL ME ABOUT THAT. WHAT WAS THAT LIKE? -YES. WE ARRIVED IN
  • 00:15:55.170 --> 00:15:58.000
  • GERMANY AND WE GOT OFF THE PLANE AND THERE'S SOMEONE WAITING WITH
  • 00:15:58.010 --> 00:16:02.060
  • AN AMERICAN FLAG. AND HE SAID HE'S THE U.S. AMBASSADOR. I
  • 00:16:02.070 --> 00:16:05.030
  • THOUGHT WHAT IS HE DOING HERE AT 2:00 IN THE MORNING TO MEET US?
  • 00:16:05.040 --> 00:16:08.060
  • IT WAS REALLY AMAZING. -HE'S A BELIEVER. HE TAKES IT SERIOUSLY,
  • 00:16:08.070 --> 00:16:11.000
  • AND HE WAS A BIG ADVOCATE FOR YOU IN GERMANY AND IN EUROPE.
  • 00:16:11.010 --> 00:16:14.140
  • BECAUSE WE HAD TO GET EUROPEANS INVOLVED. I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF
  • 00:16:14.150 --> 00:16:17.000
  • WHAT HAPPENS HERE. I WANTED TO SAY THIS, AND THIS IS NO KNOCK
  • 00:16:17.010 --> 00:16:20.100
  • ON ANYBODY'S APPROACH, LET ME TELL YOU WHAT THE ACLJ'S MODEL
  • 00:16:20.110 --> 00:16:22.210
  • OF THESE CASES ARE-TO BE VERY PUBLIC-WE DON'T, WE HAVE NOT
  • 00:16:22.220 --> 00:16:27.120
  • FOUND, AND THANN, I KNOW YOU AND JORDAN PROBABLY WANT TO COMMENT
  • 00:16:27.130 --> 00:16:30.080
  • ON THIS, WE HAVE NOT FOUND THAT QUIET DIPLOMACY ON THESE KINDS
  • 00:16:30.090 --> 00:16:34.200
  • OF CASES, OTHER THAN MAYBE A WEEK, GENERALLY WORKS. WE DON'T,
  • 00:16:34.210 --> 00:16:39.040
  • WE HAVE NOT, AGAIN, I'M NOT KNOCKING ANYBODY ELSE THAT
  • 00:16:39.050 --> 00:16:41.200
  • HANDLES THESE, BUT THE CASES WE'VE GOTTEN INVOLVED IN, WE'VE
  • 00:16:41.210 --> 00:16:44.000
  • BEEN VERY PUBLIC VERY QUICKLY. THANN BENNETT: YEAH, IF YOU'RE
  • 00:16:44.010 --> 00:16:47.030
  • NOT, JAY, IT GIVES THEM THE COVER OF DARKNESS TO DO WHATEVER
  • 00:16:47.040 --> 00:16:49.060
  • THEY WANT. I MEAN, WE HAVE FOUND THAT EXPOSING WHAT IS GOING ON
  • 00:16:49.070 --> 00:16:52.000
  • TO THE WORLD IS THE BEST CHANCE FOR SUCCESS IN THE END. AND I
  • 00:16:52.010 --> 00:16:55.100
  • THINK THAT WAS PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT IN THIS CASE. I MEAN,
  • 00:16:55.110 --> 00:16:57.180
  • LOOK, JAY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MADE THIS CASE SO DIFFERENT
  • 00:16:57.190 --> 00:17:00.240
  • IS USUALLY IT'S WITH A NATION LIKE IRAN, WHO IS, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:17:00.250 --> 00:17:03.170
  • NATURALLY HOSTILE WITH THE UNITED STATES, OR EVEN CHINA,
  • 00:17:03.180 --> 00:17:05.250
  • WHO'S NOT AN ENEMY, THEY'RE AN ALLY, BUT THEY'RE SORT OF
  • 00:17:05.260 --> 00:17:08.160
  • ADVERSARIAL. IN THIS CASE WE WERE DEALING WITH A COUNTRY
  • 00:17:08.170 --> 00:17:11.140
  • THAT'S A NATO ALLY, THAT WE WANTED STRONG ECONOMIC TIES
  • 00:17:11.150 --> 00:17:14.030
  • WITH, AND, JAY, WE JUST THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT THE
  • 00:17:14.040 --> 00:17:15.280
  • WHOLE WORLD SAW WHAT WAS HAPPENING. BECAUSE EVEN PEOPLE
  • 00:17:15.290 --> 00:17:19.190
  • INSIDE TURKEY, JAY, WERE NOT GOING TO STAND FOR THIS. SO, YOU
  • 00:17:19.200 --> 00:17:23.000
  • KNOW, JUST A SECOND AGO YOU MENTIONED AMBASSADOR GRENELL AND
  • 00:17:23.010 --> 00:17:26.030
  • THE EUROPEAN SUPPORT THAT WE GOT FROM IT, JAY, I'M HOLDING IN MY
  • 00:17:26.040 --> 00:17:29.040
  • HANDS A LETTER THAT WAS SIGNED BY 100 MEMBERS OF THE EUROPEAN
  • 00:17:29.050 --> 00:17:33.240
  • PARLIAMENT DEMANDING PASTER BRUNSON'S RELEASE. THESE ARE
  • 00:17:33.250 --> 00:17:36.160
  • MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT, JAY, THAT HE'S NOT A CONSTITUENT OF
  • 00:17:36.170 --> 00:17:39.040
  • THEIR'S, HE'S NOT A CITIZEN OF THEIR COUNTRY, BUT IT WAS SO
  • 00:17:39.050 --> 00:17:41.290
  • IMPORTANT THAT THE EYES OF THE WORLD WERE ON THE CASE SO THAT
  • 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:44.220
  • THIS WOULDN'T HAPPEN IN COVER OF DARKNESS. AND IN OTHER CASES
  • 00:17:44.230 --> 00:17:47.060
  • WE'VE SEEN IT TOO, THAT REALLY IS A CRITICAL COMPONENT TO
  • 00:17:47.070 --> 00:17:49.200
  • MAKING SURE YOU GET A POSITIVE OUTCOME. -YEAH, I THINK YOU
  • 00:17:49.210 --> 00:17:51.150
  • HAVE A SITUATION LIKE IN IRAN WHERE PEOPLE ARE YOU COULD BE
  • 00:17:51.160 --> 00:17:55.140
  • ARRESTED AND BE HANGED THE SAME DAY, YOU DON'T GIVE THEM EVEN A
  • 00:17:55.150 --> 00:17:58.110
  • DAY. YOU HAVE TO START THESE CAMPAIGNS IMMEDIATELY, PUT THEM
  • 00:17:58.120 --> 00:18:02.050
  • ON NOTICE, AND KIND OF SHAME THE GOVERNMENT. -BECAUSE JOB ONE IS
  • 00:18:02.060 --> 00:18:04.220
  • KEEP THEM ALIVE. KEEP THE PERSON IN PRISON ALIVE. -LIKE AMIR
  • 00:18:04.230 --> 00:18:06.270
  • IBRAHIM SITUATION THAT WE'VE DEALT WITH, YOU'VE GOT TO
  • 00:18:06.280 --> 00:18:09.250
  • IMMEDIATELY KEEP. HERE TURKEY WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, A NATO ALLY,
  • 00:18:09.260 --> 00:18:13.140
  • BUT WE DID NOT GIVE THEM A LOT OF TIME. -WE GAVE A WEEK. -WE
  • 00:18:13.150 --> 00:18:16.210
  • GAVE ABOUT A WEEK TO SAY, OKAY, WE'LL LET YOU TRY TO FIGURE THIS
  • 00:18:16.220 --> 00:18:19.000
  • OUT, BUT, BY THE WAY, WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH
  • 00:18:19.010 --> 00:18:21.230
  • THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND YOU'RE A NATO ALLY SO
  • 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:24.150
  • YOU'RE ABOUT TO BE SHAMED TO THE ENTIRE WORLD IF YOU DO THIS. AND
  • 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:27.090
  • THEY CALLED THE BLUFF. THEY SAID, OKAY, ERDOGAN STOOD UP
  • 00:18:27.100 --> 00:18:30.130
  • TOUGH AND SAID, OKAY, LET'S SEE IF YOU ACTUALLY DO IT. THE
  • 00:18:30.140 --> 00:18:33.030
  • PRESIDENT SENT OUT TWEETS. I REMEMBER WHEN WE SAW IT. I THINK
  • 00:18:33.040 --> 00:18:35.230
  • I WOKE UP TO HIM BECAUSE HE TWEETS SOMETIMES PRETTY EARLY.
  • 00:18:35.240 --> 00:18:38.180
  • AND HE TWEETED OUT THAT FIRST THAT HE WAS THINKING ABOUT
  • 00:18:38.190 --> 00:18:41.090
  • PUTTING SANCTIONS ON TURKEY. AND THEN A COUPLE DAYS, A DAY LATER,
  • 00:18:41.100 --> 00:18:45.170
  • I THINK, HE TWEETED I HAVE SANCTIONED TWO OF THE TURKISH
  • 00:18:45.180 --> 00:18:49.070
  • LEADERS. SO, I MEAN, IT WAS, IT WAS INTENSE PRESSURE COMING FROM
  • 00:18:49.080 --> 00:18:55.280
  • ONE NATION TO ANOTHER. AND I THINK, AGAIN, IT IS A HUGE
  • 00:18:55.290 --> 00:18:59.260
  • CONTRAST IN HOW WE'VE, THE WORK WE'VE DONE WITH THESE PREVIOUS
  • 00:18:59.270 --> 00:19:02.160
  • CASES. WE KEEP THE SIMILAR STRATEGY BUT WE HAD A
  • 00:19:02.170 --> 00:19:08.130
  • LIKE-MINDED STRATEGIST TO WORK WITH PARTNERS IN THE WHITE
  • 00:19:08.140 --> 00:19:10.150
  • HOUSE. -THE UNITED STATES WILL IMPOSE LARGE SANCTIONS ON TURKEY
  • 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:12.080
  • FOR THEIR LONGTIME DETAINMENT OF PASTOR ANDREW BRUNSON, A GREAT,
  • 00:19:12.090 --> 00:19:14.150
  • CHRISTIAN FAMILY MAN AND WONDERFUL HUMAN BEING. THAT'S
  • 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:16.280
  • FROM THE PRESIDENT UNITED STATES. -AND I DON'T THINK
  • 00:19:16.290 --> 00:19:18.120
  • TURKEY THOUGHT HE WAS GONNA DO IT AND THEN HE DID. -OH, HE DID
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  • IT. AND THAT WAS, I MEAN, I REMEMBER A COUPLE OF TIMES WHEN
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  • IT WAS PRETTY INTENSE ON WHAT HE WAS GONNA DO AND HE DID DO IT. I
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  • THINK IT MADE, LOOK, IT MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE IN PASTOR
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  • BRUNSON'S CASE. ONE GOOD QUESTION THAT'S COMING IN, I'VE
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  • GOT A NUMBER OF GOOD QUESTIONS COMING IN, AND THEN I WANT TO
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  • PLAY JACQUELINE AT THE U.N., BUT THIS ONE FIRST. THIS IS FROM
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  • FRANKIE AND SHE SAID, PASTOR, COULD YOU FEEL THE PRAYERS OF
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  • GOD'S PEOPLE? -NOREEN WOULD TELL ME PEOPLE WERE PRAYING. I
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  • SAY IN PRISON THERE WAS GRACE, BUT IT WAS AN UNFELT GRACE MOST
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  • OF THE TIME. GOD WAS TEACHING ME TO STAND IN THE DARK, BUT I KNOW
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  • THAT IT'S THE PRAYERS OF GOD'S PEOPLE THAT SUSTAINED ME AND
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  • BROUGHT ME OUT. -WELL, HERE'S YOUR DAUGHTER AT THE UNITED
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  • NATION'S HUMAN RIGHTS COUNCIL. -I PASS THE FLOOR TO THE
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  • EUROPEAN CENTER FOR LAW AND JUSTICE. -THANK YOU MR.
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  • PRESIDENT. I'M HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE ECLJ, WHO IS
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  • REPRESENTING MY FATHER PASTOR ANDREW BRUNSON, THE INNOCENT
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  • UNITED STATES CITIZEN WHO HAS BEEN WRONGFULLY IMPRISONED IN
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  • TURKEY NOW FOR ALMOST A YEAR AND A HALF AND, YET, HE HAS STILL
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  • NOT BEEN FORMALLY CHARGED WITH ANY CRIME. HAVING GROWN UP IN
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  • TURKEY, IT HAS BEEN HARD FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION. MY
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  • FAMILY LOVES AND RESPECTS THE TURKISH PEOPLE, AND MY FATHER
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  • HAS BEEN DEDICATED TO SERVING THEM FOR OVER TWO DECADES. I
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  • KNOW THE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST HIM ARE ABSURD. HE IS NOT AN ARMED
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  • TERRORIST TRYING TO OVERTHROW ANY GOVERNMENT. MY FATHER IS A
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  • PEACEFUL PASTOR. MY FAMILY HAS SUFFERED GREATLY DURING THE PAST
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  • YEAR AND A HALF, WHICH HAS BEEN FILLED WITH TEARS AND COUNTLESS
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  • UNANSWERED QUESTIONS. I VISITED MY FATHER LAST AUGUST AND WE
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  • SOBBED THE ENTIRE VISIT. IT WAS HARD TO SEE HIM SO BROKEN, SO
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  • THIN, SO DESPERATE. HE WROTE A NOTE LAST WEEK WHICH SAID, LET
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  • IT BE CLEAR, I'M IN PRISON NOT FOR ANYTHING I HAVE DONE WRONG,
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  • BUT BECAUSE OF WHO I AM, A CHRISTIAN PASTOR. I DESPERATELY
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  • MISS MY WIFE AND CHILDREN, YET I BELIEVE THIS TO BE TRUE, IT IS
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  • AN HONOR TO SUFFER FOR JESUS CHRIST AS MANY HAVE BEFORE ME.
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  • MY DEEPEST THANKS TO ALL THOSE AROUND THE WORLD WHO ARE
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  • STANDING WITH AND PRAYING FOR ME. TURKEY SHOULD NOT GET AWAY
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  • WITH HOLDING MY FATHER ONE MORE DAY. PLEASE MAKE ANY AND ALL
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  • EFFORTS TO SECURE MY FATHER'S RELEASE AND SAFE RETURN TO THE
  • 00:21:24.180 --> 00:21:27.120
  • UNITED STATES. HE'S BEEN FALSELY IMPRISONED FOR FAR TOO LONG.
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  • THANK YOU. CECE HEIL: YOU HAVE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, GO QUICKLY AND
  • 00:21:31.130 --> 00:21:33.290
  • GIVE THEIR TESTIMONY ONE RIGHT AFTER ANOTHER. AND WHEN YOU
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  • BRING A DAUGHTER OR A WIFE AND SHE SITS DOWN AND STARTS
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  • TESTIFYING, YOU COULDN'T SEE IT IN THAT VIDEO, BUT, LITERALLY,
  • 00:21:41.110 --> 00:21:44.220
  • THE WHOLE ROOM TURNS AROUND AND LOOKS WHO'S SPEAKING. AND THEY
  • 00:21:44.230 --> 00:21:47.210
  • NEVER DO THAT. THEY DON'T TURN AROUND. THEY JUST LISTEN, YOU
  • 00:21:47.220 --> 00:21:50.070
  • KNOW, TO THE INTERPRETATION. BUT AS SOON AS SHE SAT DOWN AND SAID
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  • WHO SHE WAS AND SHE WAS THERE ON BEHALF OF HER FATHER, THE WHOLE
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  • ROOM TURNED AROUND. SO, IT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE TO HAVE FAMILY
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  • MEMBERS. -OH, IT DOES. AND, LOOK, WHEN WE SOUGHT THAT U.N.
  • 00:22:00.210 --> 00:22:02.290
  • NGO STATUS ALL THOSE YEARS AGO, WE HAD TO FIGHT TO GET THAT, I
  • 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:05.160
  • MEAN, I HAD A FIGHT. WE LED A TEAM. IT WAS A FIGHT TO GET THAT
  • 00:22:05.170 --> 00:22:09.070
  • STATUS. -EVEN OUR SUPPORTERS THOUGHT WHY DO YOU WANT TO DEAL
  • 00:22:09.080 --> 00:22:11.040
  • WITH THE U.N. -AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHY YOU WANT TO DEAL
  • 00:22:11.050 --> 00:22:12.170
  • WITH THE U.N. YOU SAW IT JUST NOW. -THAT'S IN SWITZERLAND. I
  • 00:22:12.180 --> 00:22:14.220
  • JUST WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE THAT'S IN SWITZERLAND, THE U.N.
  • 00:22:14.230 --> 00:22:17.270
  • HUMAN RIGHTS COUNCIL, WHICH IS NOT ALWAYS A FRIENDLY PLACE TO
  • 00:22:17.280 --> 00:22:21.100
  • THE U.S. OR OUR ISSUES. -NO, GENERALLY NOT. -BUT ON THESE
  • 00:22:21.110 --> 00:22:23.230
  • ISSUES, -YOU HAVE TO BE THERE. -AND THERE DAUGHTER WAS THERE.
  • 00:22:23.240 --> 00:22:27.000
  • -IT'S THE MINISTRY OF PRESENCE, YOU HAVE TO BE THERE. -BUT SHE
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  • WAS ABLE TO SPEAK BECAUSE OF OUR STATUS. -YES, ABSOLUTELY. -AND
  • 00:22:28.260 --> 00:22:31.090
  • WE GOT A WIN WITH THE WORKING GROUP ON ARBITRARY DETENTION
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  • FROM THE U.N. -WE DID. -AND THAT WAS HUGE. -YEAH, SO, ALL
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  • THOSE FACTORS MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE. LET ME, WE'VE ONLY
  • 00:22:35.170 --> 00:22:38.140
  • GOT A MINUTE LEFT HERE, SO, I'LL GO FIRST TO NOREEN THEN TO
  • 00:22:38.150 --> 00:22:41.280
  • ANDREW. SO, YOU'RE OUT. WHAT WAS YOUR FIRST REACTION WHEN YOU GOT
  • 00:22:41.290 --> 00:22:46.160
  • THE WORD, WHEN YOU WERE ON THAT AIRPLANE ON THE WAY BACK? HOW DO
  • 00:22:46.170 --> 00:22:48.250
  • YOU FEEL? NOREEN BRUNSON: I WAS WAITING, I WAS WATCHING THE MAP
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  • AND WAITING TIL WE ACTUALLY LEFT AIRSPACE, TURKISH AIRSPACE,
  • 00:22:51.160 --> 00:22:54.090
  • BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN I WOULD TRULY RELAX. -DID YOU RELAX?
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  • -OH, ONCE THAT HAPPENED, YES. BUT I WATCHED US CLIMB INSTEAD
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  • OF LEAVING STRAIGHT AWAY, SO IT WAS A LONG WAYS. -YEAH. WHAT
  • 00:23:01.150 --> 00:23:04.070
  • ABOUT YOU, ANDREW? PASTOR BRUNSON: IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE TO
  • 00:23:04.080 --> 00:23:06.250
  • ME. SURREAL. -WELL, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS, AND I KNOW YOU
  • 00:23:06.260 --> 00:23:10.010
  • SPOKE TO OUR TEAM HERE AT OUR MEDIA CENTER, AND I REALLY
  • 00:23:10.020 --> 00:23:13.220
  • APPRECIATE YOU TAKING TIME TO DO THAT, BECAUSE THEY WORKED, MOST
  • 00:23:13.230 --> 00:23:17.050
  • OF THE FOLKS ARE STILL HERE, SOME HAVE GONE ON TO OTHER
  • 00:23:17.060 --> 00:23:19.140
  • THINGS, BUT ALL OF THEM THAT WORKED ON THIS REALLY DID A
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  • FANTASTIC JOB OF BEING CREATIVE TO KEEP YOU IN THE NEWS, TO KEEP
  • 00:23:23.100 --> 00:23:27.210
  • THIS FRONT AND CENTER. AND WE'RE GRATEFUL TO GOD, OBVIOUSLY, FOR
  • 00:23:27.220 --> 00:23:30.290
  • THE GRACE THAT HE GAVE US AND THE WISDOM THAT HE GAVE US AND
  • 00:23:31.000 --> 00:23:32.280
  • THE ENDURANCE THAT HE GAVE YOU, ANDREW, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT
  • 00:23:32.290 --> 00:23:35.070
  • WAS A, -WE ARE SO THANKFUL FOR ACLJ. -WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT
  • 00:23:35.080 --> 00:23:38.050
  • AND I KNOW ALL OF OUR MEMBERS DO TOO. ALL RIGHT, THAT DOES IT FOR
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  • THE BROADCAST TODAY. WE'RE ABLE TO COME TO YOU AT THE TRINITY
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  • BROADCASTING NETWORK EVERY WEEK TO BRING YOU CASES JUST LIKE
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  • THIS. AGAIN, A HUGE THANK YOU TO TBN AND THE TBN FAMILY BUT PRAY
  • 00:23:45.200 --> 00:23:49.080
  • FOR PASTOR CAO. IT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE FOR HIS FAMILY AS
  • 00:23:49.090 --> 00:23:52.230
  • WELL AS WE SEEK HIS RELEASE. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT PASTOR
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  • BRUNSON, GREAT VICTORY THERE; LIKE TO SEE THE SAME THING
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  • HAPPEN IN PASTOR CAO'S CASE. TALK TO YOU NEXT WEEK.
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