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Targeting US Part 2

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January 7, 2020
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Jay Sekulow speaks about the protection of religious freedoms in America.

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Targeting US Part 2

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  • LIVE FROM WASHINGTOND.C. JAY SEKULOW LIVE.
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  • PHONE LINES ARE OPEN FOR YOURQUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
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  • AND NOW YOUR HOST,JORDAN SEKULOW!
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  • JORDAN SEKULOW:A LOT OF THE EXPOSING
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  • OF THE WRONGDOING AND THE
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  • POLITICAL TARGETING BY EXECUTIVEBRANCH AGENCIES IN THE U.S.
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  • GOVERNMENT, THE FEDERALGOVERNMENT, STARTED WITH OUR IRS
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  • CASE. AND WE'VE GOT A NEWDOCUMENTARY THAT I THINK IS SO
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  • TIMELY AS WE HEAD INTO ANELECTION YEAR, AS WE HEAD INTO A
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  • TIME WE'VE GOT THIS NEW REPORTCOMING OUT ABOUT ABUSE BY THE
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  • GOVERNMENT; THIS TIME AGAINSTTHE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
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  • STATES, A PRESIDENT MANY OF YOUVOTED FOR. IT'S CALLED
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  • “TARGETING US”. IT'S OUR NEWACLJ DOCUMENTARY LOOKING AT THE
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  • HISTORY AND THE RESOLUTION OFTHE IRS CASE. YOU CAN LEARN MORE
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  • ABOUT THIS FILM AND ALL THE ACLJDOCUMENTARY FILMS THAT WE HAVE
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  • AT ACLJFILMS.COM. BUT TODAYYOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO GET TO
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  • SEE A LOT OF THIS FILM AND HEARA LOT OF THIS FILM. SO, IF
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  • YOU'RE LISTENING ON RADIO,YOU'RE GONNA GET TO HEAR A LOT
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  • OF THE FILM AND THE CONTENT. IFYOU'RE WATCHING ON FACEBOOK OR
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  • PERISCOPE, YOU'RE GONNA ACTUALLYGET TO SEE SOME OF THE FILM
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  • BEFORE IT'S FULLY RELEASED. NOW,IF YOU WANT TO FIND OUT MORE
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  • ABOUT IT, AGAIN, YOU GO TOACLJFILMS.COM. BUT I WANT TO
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  • MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND, I JUSTWANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND
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  • THAT THIS FILM, WHILE IT IS ADOCUMENTARY ON WHAT HAPPENED TO
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  • THOSE WHO TARGETED, THE GROUPSTHAT WERE TARGETED BY THE IRS,
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  • HOW THE ACLJ FOUGHT BACK INCOURT REPRESENTING THE GROUPS
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  • WHO WERE TARGETED BECAUSE OFTHEIR CONSERVATIVE BELIEFS,
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  • BECAUSE OF THE NAME OF THEIRORGANIZATION, THE LOIS LERNERS.
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  • REMEMBER THIS, THE HEADS OF THEIRS, I THINK THEY WENT THROUGH
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  • THREE DURING THIS TIME PERIOD,DIFFERENT IRS COMMISSIONERS, AND
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  • TRYING TO BLAME THIS ONLOW-LEVEL AGENTS; IT WAS ALL
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  • EMANATING OUT OF WASHINGTON D.C.WITH LOIS LERNER'S SIGNATURE ON
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  • IT, THEY COULDN'T PULL ONE ONUS, AND WE BATTLED, AND WE
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  • BATTLED, AND FINALLY, WE WON ANDOUR CLIENTS GOT JUSTICE. NOW,
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  • ULTIMATELY, THE POLITICAL ACTORSWITHIN WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE
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  • ONE OF THE MOST NONPARTISANBRANCHES OF OUR GOVERNMENT, THE
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  • INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE, GOTWHAT THEY WANTED. THEY WANTED TO
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  • TRY AND SILENCE THESE GROUPS FORAN ELECTION CYCLE. THEY DID. BUT
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  • LET'S REMEMBER WHAT CAME OUT OFTHAT. I THINK THEIR ULTIMATE
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  • NIGHTMARE, PRESIDENT DONALDTRUMP, WHO, IN MANY WAYS,
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  • ENCAPSULATES EVERYTHING THE TEAPARTY WAS ABOUT, SICK OF THE
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  • GOVERNMENT, SICK OF THEIRATTITUDE AT THE BUREAUCRATIC
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  • LEVEL, DRAIN THE SWAMP. SO,YOU'RE ABOUT TO HEAR, THE FIRST
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  • TIME WE'RE PUTTING FORWARD MORETHAN JUST THE TRAILER, YOU'RE
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  • ABOUT TO SEE “TARGETING US”, OURNEW ACLJ DOCUMENTARY.
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  • -MS. LEARNER, WHYWOULD YOU SAY TEA PARTY CASES
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  • WERE VERY DANGEROUS? -ON THEADVICE OF MY COUNSEL, I
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  • RESPECTFULLY EXERCISE MY FIFTHAMENDMENT RIGHT AND DECLINE TO
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  • ANSWER THAT QUESTION. -THEYKNEW THEY WERE BREAKING THE LAW.
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  • THEY KNEW THEY WERE VIOLATINGOUR RIGHTS. -THERE WERE SOME
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  • BONEHEAD DECISIONS. -BONEHEADDECISIONS? -OUT OF A LOCAL
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  • OFFICE. -BUT NO MASSCORRUPTION? -NOT EVEN MASS
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  • CORRUPTION, NOT EVEN A SMIDGENOF CORRUPTION. -IT WAS THE TIP
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  • OF THE ICEBERG. IT WAS FAR WORSETHAN EVEN WE EXPECTED. -THE IRS
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  • HAS FINALLY RELEASED A LIST OFPOLITICAL GROUPS IT HAS
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  • SCRUTINIZED. -IT WAS SOMETHINGTHAT NO ONE COULD BELIEVE OUR
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  • GOVERNMENT WAS EVEN CAPABLE OFDOING. -THEY HAVE WAY TOO MUCH
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  • POWER AND NO ACCOUNTABILITY.-NEVER BEFORE HAS THE FEDERAL
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  • GOVERNMENT TRIED TO MUZZLEEVERYDAY AMERICANS SOLELY
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  • BECAUSE OF THEIR POLITICAL VIEW.-THAT IS AS WRONG AS IT GETS.
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  • -LOIS LERNER KNEW WHAT WASCOMING AND IT WASN'T GOING TO BE
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  • PRETTY. -WE WERE FIGHTING THEUNITED STATES OF AMERICA AT THIS
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  • POINT. -WE ACCIDENTALLYSTUMBLED INTO THE CORRUPTION
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  • THAT IS GOING TO BE, AND IS, THELARGEST SCANDAL IN AMERICAN
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  • HISTORY. -MY NAME IS KEVINKOOKOGEY. -I'M TOBY MARIE
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  • WALKER. -TOM ZAWISTOWSKI.-ERIC WILSON. -MARK KENT.
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  • -BECKY GERRITSON. -CARAWADDELL. -AND THIS, -AND THIS,
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  • -AND THIS, -THIS IS OUR STORY.-THIS IS MY STORY. -THIS IS MY
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  • STORY. -WE HAD A GROUP INSHELBY COUNTY, OHIO, THAT I'VE
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  • HAD THE PRIVILEGE OFREPRESENTING THIS COUNTY FOR
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  • 20-SOME YEARS NOW IN ONE OFFICEOR ANOTHER. THEY CAME TO US AND
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  • SAID, LOOK, WE THINK WE'REGETTING HARASSED. WE'RE TRYING
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  • TO GET THIS, OUR C4 STATUS ANDTHEY'RE ASKING US ALL KINDS OF
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  • RIDICULOUS QUESTIONS. AND OURSTAFF ACTUALLY WENT AND MET WITH
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  • LOIS LERNER. THE OVERSIGHTCOMMITTEE STAFF AND SOME OF OUR
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  • PERSONAL STAFF SAT DOWN WITHLOIS LERNER AND SHE SAYS, NO,
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  • NO, THIS IS NORMAL. WE'RE NOTDOING ANYTHING OUT OF THE
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  • ORDINARY. I MEAN, SHE JUST LIEDTO THEM. AND SO, WE DECIDED, YOU
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  • KNOW WHAT? LET'S JUST ASK THEINSPECTOR GENERAL TO DO AN
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  • INVESTIGATION. ONCE THE IRS KNEWTHAT THEY WERE CAUGHT, THAT
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  • RUSSELL GEORGE, THE INSPECTORGENERAL, WAS GOING TO RELEASE
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  • THE REPORT AND SAY TARGETTINGTOOK PLACE, ONCE THEY KNEW THAT
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  • WAS COMING, WHAT DID THEY DO?LOIS LERNER WAS GIVING A SPEECH
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  • TO A BAR ASSOCIATION MEETINGHERE IN TOWN AND THEY HAD
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  • PLANTED QUESTIONS WHERE THEYASKED HER ABOUT THIS. SO, SHE
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  • TRIED TO GET IN FRONT OF THESTORY, SPIN THE STORY, CUZ THEY
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  • KNEW THE TRUTH WAS COMING OUT.-AT A LAWYER'S CONFERENCE IN
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  • WASHINGTON LOIS LERNER, A SENIORIRS CAREER EMPLOYEE WHO OVERSEES
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  • TAX-EXEMPT ORGANIZATIONS,ADMITTED THAT AGENCY EMPLOYEES
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  • SINGLED OUT PARTICULAR GROUPSFOR EXTRA SCRUTINY USING
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  • KEYWORDS WITH POLITICALOVERTONES. -THEY USED NAMES
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  • LIKE TEA PARTY OR PATRIOTS ANDTHEY SELECTED CASES SIMPLY
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  • BECAUSE THE APPLICATION HADTHOSE NAMES IN THE TITLE. THAT
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  • WAS WRONG. THE IRS WOULD LIKE TOAPOLOGIZE FOR THAT. -YEAH, THE
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  • APOLOGY, THOUGH, WAS NONSENSE. IMEAN, YOU KNOW, SORRY ABOUT THAT
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  • IS WHAT SHE SAID. FOR THAT WE'DLIKE TO APOLOGIZE. I'LL NEVER
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  • FORGET THAT. COULD YOU IMAGINEYOU'RE BEING AUDITED AND YOU
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  • TELL THEM, YOU KNOW, I DON'THAVE MY RECEIPTS, SORRY ABOUT
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  • THAT? SO, YOU KNOW, APOLOGIZINGFOR UNLAWFUL ACTIVITY MAY BE,
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  • YOU KNOW, GOOD FOR THE SOUL,IT'S NOT GOOD FOR A LEGAL
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  • CONCLUSION. AND THE FACT THATTHEY APOLOGIZED WAS AN ADMISSION
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  • OF WRONG. BUT ALL THEY WERETRYING TO DO AT THAT ABA MEETING
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  • WAS GET AHEAD OF A PROBLEM THEYKNEW WAS ABOUT TO EXPLODE,
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  • BECAUSE WE HAD PUNCTURED THEBALLOON AND WE PEELED BACK THE
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  • VENEER OF RESPECTABILITY THATTHE AGENCY HAD AT THAT POINT.
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  • AND THEY KNEW WHAT WAS COMING.LOIS LERNER KNEW WHAT WAS
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  • COMING. -THE GOVERNMENT'S VIEWAND THEIR RESPONSE AT THIS POINT
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  • WAS TO SAY, OH, WE'RE SORRY. WEACKNOWLEDGE WHAT WE DID WRONG.
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  • WELL, CAN YOU IMAGINE IF THATWAS WHAT HAPPENED IN CRIMINAL
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  • LAW? THE CRIMINAL IS CAUGHTAFTER MURDER, AFTER STEALING,
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  • AND SAYS, OH, I'M SORRY YOURHONOR? OKAY, YOU'RE OFF
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  • SCOT-FREE. -LERNER SAID THETARGETING WAS DONE BY LOW-LEVEL
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  • EMPLOYEES WHO WERE MOTIVATED NOTBY PARTISAN POLITICS BUT BY A
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  • DESIRE TO BE MORE EFFICIENT INIDENTIFYING GROUPS THAT DON'T
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  • QUALIFY FOR TAX-EXEMPT STATUS.-WE HAD A SHORTCUT IN THE
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  • PROCESS THAT THE STAFF DID, ITWASN'T APPROPRIATE. -AND LOIS
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  • LERNER APOLOGIZED AND SAID, OH,SORRY WE TARGETED IT AND WE
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  • DIDN'T KNOW. THAT CAME OUT OFCINCINNATI. WE KNEW THOSE WERE
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  • LIES. WE KNEW THOSE WERE LIESBECAUSE I KEPT EVERY TRAFFIC
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  • REPORT FROM OUR WEBSITE, EVERYSINGLE ONE. AND I KNOW IT WAS
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  • WASHINGTON D.C. I KNOW THEOFFICE. I KNOW THE COMPUTER. I
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  • KNOW THE IP ADDRESS. IT JUSTDOESN'T GIVE ME A NAME. GIVES ME
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  • A PHYSICAL ADDRESS. I KNEW ITWASN'T OUT OF CINCINNATI AND I
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  • KNEW SHE WAS LYING AGAIN. SO,SHE LIED WHEN SHE GAVE THE
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  • APOLOGY. -I HAVE A LETTER RIGHTHERE FROM LOIS LERNER PRIOR TO
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  • THE DATE WHEN SHE SUGGESTED THATIT WAS ROGUE AGENTS ASKING ME
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  • FOR INFORMATION, TELLING ME THATMY LETTER OF DETERMINATION COULD
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  • NOT BE GRANTED. SHE HAD INSERTEDHERSELF INTO THE SITUATION WHEN
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  • IT WAS CONVENIENT, BUT WHEN SHEWAS GOING TO BE EXPOSED, ALL OF
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  • A SUDDEN, SHE BLAMED IT ON THEROGUE AGENTS IN CINCINNATI. -I
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  • HAD JUST RECEIVED A LETTER FROMHER. SO, I KNEW WHAT SHE SAID
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  • STOPPED A YEAR AGO HAD NEVERSTOPPED. IT WAS STILL GOING ON.
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  • AND I DIDN'T BELIEVE ANYTHINGTHAT SHE SAID. I DID NOT BELIEVE
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  • THAT SHE WAS INNOCENT. I THINKTHAT SHE KNEW EXACTLY WHAT WAS
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  • GOING ON, AND THAT SHE WAS ONEOF THE ONES DIRECTING IT. -IT
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  • WAS SOMETHING THAT NO ONE COULDBELIEVE OUR GOVERNMENT WAS EVEN
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  • CAPABLE OF DOING, AND NOW THEYWERE ADMITTING IT. -AND THE
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  • REPORT IS COMING OUT THIS WEEK,THE INSPECTOR GENERAL REPORT,
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  • AND IT HAS OUTRAGEOUSCONCLUSIONS ABOUT HOW
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  • ORGANIZATIONS SEEKING TAX-EXEMPTSTATUS WERE HANDLED. IT SHOWS
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  • THAT NOT ONLY DID TEA PARTYGROUPS GET MORE SCRUTINY, BUT SO
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  • DID A HOST OF OTHER CONSERVATIVEGROUPS THAT DARED TO CRITICIZE
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  • GOVERNMENT SPENDING AND DISCUSSTHE NATIONAL DEBT. -DRIVE
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  • OBTAINED A SOON-TO-BE-RELEASEDINVESTIGATIVE REPORT THAT SHOWS
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  • THAT THE IRS STARTED TARGETINGTEA PARTY GROUPS MORE THAN THREE
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  • YEARS AGO. AND THAT AMONG THECRITERIA THEY USED WAS TO TARGET
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  • GROUPS THAT WERE CRITICAL OF THEWAY THE COUNTRY IS BEING RUN.
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  • -IF, IN FACT, IRS PERSONNELENGAGED IN THE KIND OF PRACTICES
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  • THAT HAD BEEN REPORTED ON ANDWERE INTENTIONALLY TARGETING
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  • CONSERVATIVE GROUPS, THEN THAT'SOUTRAGEOUS AND THERE'S NO PLACE
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  • FOR IT. -THE IRS IS SAYINGWE'RE SORRY, WE MADE MISTAKES,
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  • AND THEY WERE NOT POLITICALLYMOTIVATED. THEY BLAME THIS ALL
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  • ON LOW-LEVEL EMPLOYEES. BUT TEAPARTY LEADERS THEY'RE NOT BUYING
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  • IT. THEY REJECTED THE APOLOGYAND DEMANDED THE RESIGNATION OF
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  • EVERYONE INVOLVED AT THE IRS.-ABOUT SEVENTY-FIVE GROUPS WERE
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  • FLAGGED BY THE IRS FOR FURTHERREVIEW FOR ONE REASON-THEIR
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  • APPLICATIONS FOR TAX-EXEMPTSTATUS CONTAINED THE WORDS TEA
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  • PARTY OR PATRIOT. -TWO ROGUEAGENTS-THAT'S WHAT THE WHITE
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  • HOUSE TELLS US WERE THE PEOPLERESPONSIBLE FOR THIS. IN FACT, I
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  • GOT A NEWS REPORT FROM MAY 15THTHAT SAYS WHITE HOUSE SAY TWO
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  • ROGUE IRS EMPLOYEES FROMCINCINNATI WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR
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  • INVESTIGATING CONSERVATIVEGROUPS. TWO EMPLOYEES IN
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  • CINCINNATI RESPONSIBLE FOR THESYSTEMATIC TARGETING OF
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  • CONSERVATIVE GROUPS FOR OVER TWOYEARS? THIS ADMINISTRATION WOULD
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  • HAVE US BELIEVE THAT. THISADMINISTRATION, THIS AGENCY, THE
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  • VERY AGENCY CHARGED WITHENFORCING OBAMACARE,
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  • SYSTEMATICALLY TARGETED GROUPSWHO CAME INTO EXISTENCE BECAUSE
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  • THEY OPPOSED OBAMACARE AND THEYSTARTED THE TARGETING THE VERY
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  • MONTH, MARCH 2010, THATOBAMACARE BECAME LAW, EXPECTS US
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  • TO BELIEVE IT WAS JUST THE WORKOF TWO ROGUE AGENTS. -SO, I HAD
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  • A CALL FROM A FRIEND OF MINE WHOSAID, KEVIN, I'M GOING TO DO A
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  • TEST. HE SAID I'M GONNA FILESOMETHING, I'M GONNA FILE MY OWN
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  • C3 APPLICATION AS ANORGANIZATION THAT SHARES VALUES
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  • OR THAT AT LEAST IS IN LINE WITHWHAT THE CURRENT POLITICAL
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  • ADMINISTRATION BELIEVES AND I'MGOING TO TELL YOU WHETHER OR NOT
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  • THAT GOES THROUGH. AND SUREENOUGH, IT WENT THROUGH WITHIN
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  • THE NORMAL PERIOD-60 DAYS, TWOMONTHS, SOMETHING OF THAT
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  • NATURE. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN TWOTO THREE MONTHS. RUBBER-STAMPED!
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  • AND THAT WAS AT THE SAME TIMETHAT WE'RE LEARNING FROM THE IG
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  • REPORT THAT THERE WAS THIS BOLOLIST, BE ON THE LOOKOUT, BOLO,
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  • FOR ORGANIZATIONS THAT CONTAINEDANY IDEAS OF LIBERTY,
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  • SOVEREIGNTY, FAMILY, ANY KIND OFDISSENT AGAINST ANY POLICIES OF
  • 00:11:51.811 --> 00:11:57.116
  • THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, THOSEWERE TARGETED AND PUT INTO THE
  • 00:11:57.149 --> 00:12:00.586
  • SEPARATE BIN THAT HAD TO HAVEEXTRA SCRUTINY BY THE IRS. IT
  • 00:12:00.619 --> 00:12:05.224
  • JUST, AGAIN, THE STUNNING NATUREAND THE EGREGIOUSNESS OF OUR OWN
  • 00:12:05.257 --> 00:12:10.362
  • GOVERNMENT REACHING IN ANDDECIDING, BASED ON WHAT YOU
  • 00:12:10.396 --> 00:12:14.100
  • BELIEVE, MR. KOOKOGEY, WE'REGOING TO, ACTUALLY, APPLY
  • 00:12:14.133 --> 00:12:17.470
  • ADDITIONAL SCRUTINY TO YOU. THISIS WHY IT WAS SO UNBELIEVABLE TO
  • 00:12:17.503 --> 00:12:20.873
  • SO MANY PEOPLE. PEOPLE THATWOULD OTHERWISE SHARE OUR VALUES
  • 00:12:20.906 --> 00:12:23.976
  • WOULD SAY THAT COULDN'T HAPPENIN AMERICA. AND I WOULD HAVE TO
  • 00:12:24.009 --> 00:12:27.346
  • SAY, WAKE UP! IT'S HAPPENINGRIGHT HERE. HERE'S THE EVIDENCE.
  • 00:12:27.379 --> 00:12:30.116
  • NO, NO, I DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE.THEY WOULD TRY TO GIVE EVERY
  • 00:12:30.149 --> 00:12:32.685
  • OTHER POSSIBLE EXPLANATIONRATHER THAN LOOKING AT THE FACTS
  • 00:12:32.718 --> 00:12:35.788
  • AND SAYING WE ARE BEING TARGETEDAND THERE'S NO OTHER REASON THAN
  • 00:12:35.821 --> 00:12:40.292
  • BASED ON OUR POINT OF VIEW. -WEACCIDENTALLY STUMBLED INTO THE
  • 00:12:40.326 --> 00:12:44.964
  • CORRUPTION THAT IS GOING TO BE,AND IS, THE LARGEST SCANDAL IN
  • 00:12:44.997 --> 00:12:49.368
  • AMERICAN HISTORY.
  • 00:12:49.401 --> 00:12:52.071
  • [MUSIC]
  • 00:12:52.104 --> 00:13:00.312
  • -I CAN'T IMAGINE A
  • 00:13:00.346 --> 00:13:01.580
  • HARDER ENTITY TO COME AGAINSTTHAN THE IRS. LET ME TELL YOU,
  • 00:13:01.614 --> 00:13:05.251
  • THE IRS IS A FORMIDABLE FOE.-OFTENTIMES, THIS IS ONE OF THE
  • 00:13:05.284 --> 00:13:08.921
  • MOST FEARED GOVERNMENTINSTITUTIONS IN THE U.S. THEY
  • 00:13:08.954 --> 00:13:12.224
  • GET YOUR TAXES. THEY DETERMINEHOW MUCH YOU OWE. IF YOU OWE
  • 00:13:12.258 --> 00:13:16.529
  • BACK TAXES, THEY CAN SEIZE YOURWAGE. I MEAN, ALL THESE THINGS
  • 00:13:16.562 --> 00:13:19.398
  • THE IRS CAN DO; A LOT OF POWER.THEY KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU,
  • 00:13:19.431 --> 00:13:22.468
  • BASICALLY. SO, TO SUE THEMVOLUNTARILY, TOOK A VERY BRAVE
  • 00:13:22.501 --> 00:13:27.173
  • GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS ANDORGANIZATIONS THAT DECIDED,
  • 00:13:27.206 --> 00:13:30.509
  • OKAY, LET'S DO THIS, ACLJ. WEWILL, WE WANT TO FIGHT BACK FOR
  • 00:13:30.543 --> 00:13:35.214
  • OUR RIGHTS. WE WANT TO FIGHT FOROUR RECOGNITION, AND FIGHT FOR
  • 00:13:35.247 --> 00:13:39.318
  • WHAT WE DESERVE FROM THE IRS.LET'S TAKE THEM TO COURT.
  • 00:13:39.351 --> 00:13:41.987
  • -THERE WAS A SERIOUS, SYSTEMICPROBLEM WITHIN THE IRS THAT
  • 00:13:42.021 --> 00:13:45.491
  • ALLOWED THIS ISSUE TO PERCOLATEALL THE WAY TO THE TOP. LOIS
  • 00:13:45.524 --> 00:13:48.527
  • LERNER WAS THE HEAD OF THE TAXEXEMPT ORGANIZATION. YOU HAD
  • 00:13:48.561 --> 00:13:52.131
  • MAIN TREASURY. THERE WERECONCERNS THAT HAD REACHED INTO
  • 00:13:52.164 --> 00:13:54.967
  • THE WHITE HOUSE, AND, YOU KNOW,AND THE PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT
  • 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:58.204
  • OBAMA DISMISSED THIS ASINCONSEQUENTIAL. BUT,
  • 00:13:58.237 --> 00:14:01.040
  • ULTIMATELY, THE WAY TO HANDLETHIS WAS COURT. YOU HAD TO BE IN
  • 00:14:01.073 --> 00:14:06.111
  • COURT TO GET THIS RESOLVED.-THE REASON WE GOT INTO IT IS
  • 00:14:06.145 --> 00:14:08.681
  • BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL REASON THEKENTUCKY 912 PROJECT WAS
  • 00:14:08.714 --> 00:14:12.451
  • FORMED-FOR PRINCIPLE. WE FELTTHAT OUR RIGHTS WERE BEING
  • 00:14:12.484 --> 00:14:16.589
  • VIOLATED, THAT WE HAD ACONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT THAT WASN'T
  • 00:14:16.622 --> 00:14:20.492
  • ALLOWED TO GO FORWARD. AND THATTHANKS TO THE ACLJ, WE HAD A
  • 00:14:20.526 --> 00:14:26.599
  • VOICE NOW THAT COULD FIGHT BACK,SHINE A LIGHT ON WHAT WAS
  • 00:14:26.632 --> 00:14:29.602
  • HAPPENING. SO, EVEN IF WE DIDN'TGET WHAT WE DESERVED THAT, IN
  • 00:14:29.635 --> 00:14:34.640
  • THE FUTURE, OTHER ORGANIZATIONSMAY BE EMPOWERED TO STAND UP AND
  • 00:14:34.673 --> 00:14:38.577
  • HAVE THAT VOICE. -YOU CAN'TJUST SAY WE'RE NOT GONNA SUE.
  • 00:14:38.611 --> 00:14:42.915
  • YOU CAN'T SAY WE'RE GONNA JUSTLET THEM TRAMPLE ON OUR RIGHTS.
  • 00:14:42.948 --> 00:14:46.252
  • IT WAS TIME TO STAND UP. AND IWAS PROUD OF THE OTHER LEADERS
  • 00:14:46.285 --> 00:14:50.122
  • WHO DID THE SAME. -WE'REGETTING READY TO GO UP AGAINST
  • 00:14:50.155 --> 00:14:52.591
  • OUR GOVERNMENT. WE'RE GETTINGREADY TO FIGHT THE IRS, THE
  • 00:14:52.625 --> 00:15:00.266
  • DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE-ME AND THEKENTUCKY 912 PROJECT-AND THERE
  • 00:15:00.299 --> 00:15:06.372
  • WAS FEAR BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOWRETALIATION. WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT
  • 00:15:06.405 --> 00:15:10.509
  • WAS GONNA HAPPEN. WE DIDN'T KNOWIF THIS MEANT, YOU KNOW, EVERY
  • 00:15:10.542 --> 00:15:13.779
  • YEAR THEREAFTER I'M GONNA BEAUDITED. DIDN'T KNOW IF, YOU
  • 00:15:13.812 --> 00:15:17.650
  • KNOW, WHAT COULD HAPPEN TO USAND HAPPEN TO MY LITTLE, YOU
  • 00:15:17.683 --> 00:15:22.288
  • KNOW, AT THAT POINT, TWO YEAROLD. IT WAS FEAR. -WE DECIDED
  • 00:15:22.321 --> 00:15:28.460
  • WE WERE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITHTHE LAWSUIT. THAT THEY CAN'T GET
  • 00:15:28.494 --> 00:15:31.664
  • AWAY WITH THIS. AND THAT IF WEDIDN'T FIGHT BACK, WHO WAS GOING
  • 00:15:31.697 --> 00:15:35.067
  • TO? THEY WOULD JUST KEEP DOINGTHIS. AND FUTURE PRESIDENTS
  • 00:15:35.100 --> 00:15:39.104
  • COULD DO THIS AND FUTUREADMINISTRATIONS. AND, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:15:39.138 --> 00:15:42.441
  • WE DIDN'T KNOW WHO STARTED IT,BUT WE WANTED TO FIND OUT. SO,
  • 00:15:42.474 --> 00:15:46.645
  • THE ACLJ AGREED TO TO SUE. -IFELT ANGRY. I FELT THAT AN
  • 00:15:46.679 --> 00:15:54.687
  • INJUSTICE WAS BEING DONE. AND IFELT READY TO FIGHT. -WE WERE
  • 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:57.923
  • NOT THERE TO REPRESENTOURSELVES. WE WEREN'T REALLY
  • 00:15:57.957 --> 00:16:02.061
  • LOOKING FOR JUSTICE FOR THE TEAPARTIES. WHAT WE WERE THERE WAS
  • 00:16:02.094 --> 00:16:05.698
  • TO MAKE SURE THAT NO OTHERAMERICAN COULD EVER BE TARGETED
  • 00:16:05.731 --> 00:16:10.669
  • AGAIN BY THEIR GOVERNMENT FORTHEIR POLITICAL BELIEFS. THAT
  • 00:16:10.703 --> 00:16:15.441
  • WAS THE BIGGER PICTURE. -TEAPARTY GROUPS SAY THEY'RE BEING
  • 00:16:15.474 --> 00:16:18.277
  • TARGETED BY THE INTERNAL REVENUESERVICE AND THEY'RE ENLISTING
  • 00:16:18.310 --> 00:16:21.513
  • THE AID OF THE AMERICAN CENTERFOR LAW AND JUSTICE. -JORDAN, I
  • 00:16:21.547 --> 00:16:24.850
  • UNDERSTAND YOU ARE HEARING NEWCOMPLAINTS OF IRS INTIMIDATION.
  • 00:16:24.883 --> 00:16:27.586
  • WHAT'S GOING ON BEHIND THESCENES WITH THIS CASE? -WE HAD,
  • 00:16:27.619 --> 00:16:31.690
  • WHEN WE FILED THE INITIAL CASELAST WEEK ON BEHALF OF 25
  • 00:16:31.724 --> 00:16:34.593
  • CLIENTS, THAT WAS HISTORIC. ANDWE KNEW THAT THERE WOULD BE MORE
  • 00:16:34.626 --> 00:16:38.564
  • PEOPLE WHO MAY WANT TO ADD, BUTWE DIDN'T KNOW JUST HOW MANY.
  • 00:16:38.597 --> 00:16:41.800
  • AND WE'RE NOW LOOKING ATSOMEWHERE AROUND A HUNDRED
  • 00:16:41.834 --> 00:16:44.169
  • DIFFERENT CONTACTS HAVE COME IN.AND A COUPLE OF THEM, WE'VE JUST
  • 00:16:44.203 --> 00:16:48.307
  • SIGNED ON RECENTLY AS CLIENTS,WE'LL BE AMENDING OUR LAWSUIT.
  • 00:16:48.340 --> 00:16:51.377
  • -WHO CAME UP WITH THIS? WHY DIDYOU HAVE THESE APPLICATIONS
  • 00:16:51.410 --> 00:16:53.779
  • SITTING FOR YEARS AND THEN ALLOF A SUDDEN YOU DECIDE RIGHT
  • 00:16:53.812 --> 00:16:56.081
  • DURING AN ELECTION YOU'RE GOINGTO SEND OUT THESE LETTERS?
  • 00:16:56.115 --> 00:16:58.684
  • WHICH, FRANKLY, FOR THESE SMALLTEA PARTY GROUPS, PRETTY
  • 00:16:58.717 --> 00:17:01.186
  • INTIMIDATING. I'VE GOT LETTERSFROM CALIFORNIA, CINCINNATI, THE
  • 00:17:01.220 --> 00:17:04.957
  • DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA, AND ON ANDON IT GOES. YOU HAD
  • 00:17:04.990 --> 00:17:07.960
  • INSTITUTIONAL INCAPACITY GOINGON INSIDE THE IRS. AND I THINK
  • 00:17:07.993 --> 00:17:12.798
  • THAT HAS MADE THE PROBLEM EVENWORSE. WHAT THEY'VE DONE IS A
  • 00:17:12.831 --> 00:17:16.668
  • CRIME. -SO, THIS COURT CASEGOES ON AND ON. AND IT'S, AGAIN,
  • 00:17:16.702 --> 00:17:22.141
  • YOU KNOW, I HAVE NO EXPERIENCEIN THAT. YOU KNOW? YOU JUST
  • 00:17:22.174 --> 00:17:25.377
  • CAN'T BELIEVE IT TAKES SO LONGTHEY DO ALL THIS STUFF, AND I'M
  • 00:17:25.411 --> 00:17:28.080
  • BUGGING MILES AND JORDAN AND JAYSEKULOW AND ALL THESE GUYS. I'M
  • 00:17:28.113 --> 00:17:33.252
  • SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOINGON? WHY IS THIS TAKING SO LONG?
  • 00:17:33.285 --> 00:17:35.721
  • -YOU JUST HAVE TO REMEMBER HOWTHIS CASE WENT. IN MAY OF 2013
  • 00:17:35.754 --> 00:17:39.358
  • WE FILED SUIT AGAINST THE IRS INTHE U.S. DISTRICT COURT FOR THE
  • 00:17:39.391 --> 00:17:42.094
  • DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA ON BEHALFOF ALL OF OUR CLIENTS. BUT IT
  • 00:17:42.127 --> 00:17:45.297
  • WASN'T UNTIL OCTOBER OF 2014,IT'S A LONG TIME FOR ONE OF
  • 00:17:45.330 --> 00:17:49.134
  • THESE NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS,THESE WERE SMALL ORGANIZATIONS,
  • 00:17:49.168 --> 00:17:51.804
  • THAT THE COURT, ULTIMATELY,RENDERED A DECISION ON ALL BUT
  • 00:17:51.837 --> 00:17:55.707
  • TWO OF OUR CLAIMS. SO, INJANUARY 2015 WE APPEALED THE
  • 00:17:55.741 --> 00:17:59.778
  • DISMISSAL AND WE SEEK REVIEW BYTHE U.S. COURT OF APPEALS. THE
  • 00:17:59.812 --> 00:18:03.615
  • ACTUAL ORAL ARGUMENT ON THEAPPEAL WASN'T HEARD UNTIL APRIL
  • 00:18:03.649 --> 00:18:07.553
  • 14TH, 2016. ON AUGUST 5TH, 2016THE U.S. COURT OF APPEALS
  • 00:18:07.586 --> 00:18:12.825
  • RENDERED ITS DECISION IN OURFAVOR, REVERSING THE DISTRICT
  • 00:18:12.858 --> 00:18:16.028
  • COURT'S DISMISSAL OF OUR CLAIMSFOR INJUNCTIVE AND DECLARATORY
  • 00:18:16.061 --> 00:18:18.897
  • RELIEF AND REMANDING THE CASEFOR FURTHER PROCEEDINGS IN THE
  • 00:18:18.931 --> 00:18:22.067
  • DISTRICT COURT. THAT IS NOT WHATTHE IRS WANTED. SO, THE PARTIES
  • 00:18:22.101 --> 00:18:25.504
  • THEN ENGAGED IN LIMITEDDISCOVERY BEFORE, ULTIMATELY,
  • 00:18:25.537 --> 00:18:28.740
  • THE IRS ENTERED INTO ASETTLEMENT AGREEMENT WITH OUR
  • 00:18:28.774 --> 00:18:31.877
  • CLIENTS IN OCTOBER OF 2017. THEIRS PUBLICLY ADMITTING
  • 00:18:31.910 --> 00:18:36.548
  • WRONGDOING AND ISSUED A PUBLICAPOLOGY TO OUR CLIENTS FOR THE
  • 00:18:36.582 --> 00:18:41.353
  • TARGETING THEY WERE ENGAGED IN.-THE IRS, THEY SAY SOMETIMES
  • 00:18:41.386 --> 00:18:45.557
  • BETTER LATE THAN NEVER, NOWFORMALLY APOLOGIZING TO TEA
  • 00:18:45.591 --> 00:18:49.361
  • PARTY GROUPS OVER THIS OBAMA ERATARGETING THEY SAID, THOSE
  • 00:18:49.394 --> 00:18:52.231
  • GROUPS ARE SAYING WAS GOING ON.-IT'S NOT JUST THAT THEY'RE
  • 00:18:52.264 --> 00:18:54.766
  • ACKNOWLEDGING THE WRONGDOING,THEY'VE TAKEN ACTION THAT'LL BE
  • 00:18:54.800 --> 00:18:57.269
  • CODIFIED IN A COURT ORDER NEXTWEEK THAT IT NEVER HAPPENS
  • 00:18:57.302 --> 00:19:01.306
  • AGAIN. SO, THERE'S BEEN ACOMPLETE CHANGE OF POLICY AS IT
  • 00:19:01.340 --> 00:19:04.710
  • RELATES TO THE IRS. IT'S BEENTHREE AND A HALF YEARS IN
  • 00:19:04.743 --> 00:19:08.447
  • LITIGATION. WE'VE HAD TO MAKE ATRIP UP TO THE U.S. COURT OF
  • 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:10.616
  • APPEALS FOR THE DISTRICT OFCOLUMBIA TO GET THE TRIAL COURT
  • 00:19:10.649 --> 00:19:12.718
  • JUDGE REVERSED, WHICH WE WERESUCCESSFUL AT. AND THE GOOD NEWS
  • 00:19:12.751 --> 00:19:14.887
  • IS ALSO, WHICH IS THE REALLYBOTTOM LINE HERE, IS OUR CLIENTS
  • 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:17.689
  • ALL GOT THEIR TAX-EXEMPT STATUS.BETTER LATE THAN NEVER, YES,
  • 00:19:17.723 --> 00:19:21.293
  • AND, UNFORTUNATELY, IT TOOKTHREE AND A HALF YEARS OF
  • 00:19:21.326 --> 00:19:23.595
  • LITIGATION, BUT, NEIL, SOME OFTHESE CLIENTS, YOU KNOW THIS,
  • 00:19:23.629 --> 00:19:25.330
  • WAITED SEVEN YEARS BY THE TIMETHEY STARTED TILL WHEN THEY GOT
  • 00:19:25.364 --> 00:19:27.900
  • IT. -I WANT THEM TO ADMIT THEYDID WRONG AND I WANT THEM TO
  • 00:19:27.933 --> 00:19:32.938
  • APOLOGIZE IN WRITING. AND IFTHEY CAN'T APOLOGIZE IN WRITING,
  • 00:19:32.971 --> 00:19:37.609
  • I'M NOT SETTLING. NOW, I KNOWTHAT IT'S, THAT SOME PEOPLE
  • 00:19:37.643 --> 00:19:46.318
  • DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THESIGNIFICANCE OF THAT, BUT HOW
  • 00:19:46.351 --> 00:19:51.023
  • MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SEEN THEFEDERAL GOVERNMENT APOLOGIZE
  • 00:19:51.056 --> 00:19:55.294
  • ABOUT ANYTHING, LET ALONE PUT ITIN WRITING, LET ALONE IN A COURT
  • 00:19:55.327 --> 00:19:58.430
  • DOCUMENT? AND THEY ALSO AGREEDTO RETRAIN EMPLOYEES AND TRAIN
  • 00:19:58.463 --> 00:20:05.370
  • NEW EMPLOYEES ABOUT THECONSTITUTION AND, YOU KNOW,
  • 00:20:05.404 --> 00:20:09.474
  • RESPECTING CITIZENS RIGHTS.-WHAT STARTED IN 2009 IN MY
  • 00:20:09.508 --> 00:20:13.979
  • LIVING ROOM WITH MY WIFE ANDFAMILY, THE LONG JOURNEY TO
  • 00:20:14.012 --> 00:20:18.250
  • OCTOBER OF 2017, THAT'S WHEN WEFINALLY GOT THE SETTLEMENT AND
  • 00:20:18.283 --> 00:20:24.389
  • THE IRS ADMISSION AT THAT POINT.-SO, WE WERE IN FEDERAL COURT
  • 00:20:24.423 --> 00:20:28.527
  • TO GET THE POLICY CHANGED, TOGET THE RULES AND REGULATIONS
  • 00:20:28.560 --> 00:20:31.296
  • CHANGED THAT THEY WERE, ATLEAST, WHAT THEY WERE GOING BY
  • 00:20:31.330 --> 00:20:33.665
  • SO YOU COULD STOP THESE TARGETEDINQUIRIES. AND WE WERE
  • 00:20:33.699 --> 00:20:37.169
  • SUCCESSFUL IN THAT, IN LARGEPART, BECAUSE THE IRS,
  • 00:20:37.202 --> 00:20:41.873
  • ULTIMATELY, KNEW THEIR EXPOSUREWAS GREAT HERE. THEY VIOLATED
  • 00:20:41.907 --> 00:20:45.043
  • THE STATUTE, THEY VIOLATED THECONSTITUTION, THEY VIOLATED OUR
  • 00:20:45.077 --> 00:20:48.614
  • CLIENTS FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS,THEY VIOLATED THE RIGHT TO
  • 00:20:48.647 --> 00:20:51.283
  • FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION, THEYVIOLATED THE RIGHT, BASICALLY,
  • 00:20:51.316 --> 00:20:54.152
  • TO FREEDOM OF THE PRESS. THEYWERE ENGAGED IN AN ARBITRARY AND
  • 00:20:54.186 --> 00:20:57.923
  • CAPRICIOUS METHOD OF TRYING TOHARASS PEOPLE THAT THEY
  • 00:20:57.956 --> 00:21:00.759
  • DISAGREED WITH. AND WE WERE INFRONT OF A FEDERAL COURT AND
  • 00:21:00.792 --> 00:21:04.062
  • THAT FEDERAL COURT WAS NOT TOOSYMPATHETIC TO THE IRS WITH
  • 00:21:04.096 --> 00:21:06.231
  • EVERYTHING THEY HEARD. SO, THEEND RESULT WAS THE IRS DID THE
  • 00:21:06.265 --> 00:21:09.334
  • RIGHT THING BY RESOLVING THECASE WITH AN INJUNCTION THAT
  • 00:21:09.368 --> 00:21:12.037
  • MANDATED A COMPLETE CHANGE OFTHE IRS NONPROFIT TAX-EXEMPT
  • 00:21:12.070 --> 00:21:14.906
  • WORK AS IT RELATES TO ISSUEADVOCACY ORGANIZATIONS. IT'S ONE
  • 00:21:14.940 --> 00:21:17.643
  • OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT WINS INTHE ACLJ'S HISTORY. TO TAKE ON
  • 00:21:17.676 --> 00:21:20.579
  • THE IRS AND WIN AT THAT LEVEL ISA PRETTY BIG DEAL. -AND YOU
  • 00:21:20.612 --> 00:21:24.683
  • LOOK AT JAY SEKULOW AND HOW MANYTIMES HE WAS ON T.V., YOU KNOW,
  • 00:21:24.716 --> 00:21:28.587
  • REPRESENTING US AND SPEAKING TOTHE MEDIA AND MAKING OUR CASE
  • 00:21:28.620 --> 00:21:32.791
  • WHEN, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THEY KEPTSAYING, OH, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA
  • 00:21:32.824 --> 00:21:35.727
  • WIN, YOU'RE NEVER GONNA WIN. NO,THIS IS, YOU HAVE NO CASE. NO,
  • 00:21:35.761 --> 00:21:39.998
  • YOU'RE JUST MAKING THIS UP. ITTOOK A LOT OF GUTS TO KEEP
  • 00:21:40.032 --> 00:21:43.602
  • PUSHING BACK AGAINST THAT. ANDTOOK A LOT OF COURAGE FOR ALL OF
  • 00:21:43.635 --> 00:21:46.538
  • US TO NOT LET PEOPLE BEAT USDOWN AND MAKE US WANT TO JUST
  • 00:21:46.571 --> 00:21:49.841
  • GIVE UP. AND IT WAS, A LOT OFPEOPLE WERE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS
  • 00:21:49.875 --> 00:21:54.379
  • A LOT OF YEARS, I MEAN, I CAN'TDO ANYMORE. BUT WE PERSEVERED.
  • 00:21:54.413 --> 00:21:58.750
  • AND WE ONLY PERSEVERED BECAUSETHE RESOURCES WERE THERE. OKAY?
  • 00:21:58.784 --> 00:22:03.588
  • WE ONLY PERSEVERED BECAUSE THEACLJ WAS THERE. -I KNOW THEY
  • 00:22:03.622 --> 00:22:05.691
  • PUT COUNTLESS HOURS IN ON THISSTUFF. I DON'T EVEN KNOW FOR HOW
  • 00:22:05.724 --> 00:22:08.193
  • MANY ORGANIZATIONS. I PUTCOUNTLESS HOURS IN ON THIS
  • 00:22:08.226 --> 00:22:12.331
  • STUFF. SO, I MEAN, I KNOW WHATKIND OF WORK HAS TO BE DONE IN
  • 00:22:12.364 --> 00:22:15.534
  • ORDER TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. AND,YOU KNOW, I CAN'T THANK THESE
  • 00:22:15.567 --> 00:22:18.136
  • GUYS ENOUGH. I REALLY CAN'T.-WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT VOICE.
  • 00:22:18.170 --> 00:22:24.009
  • THEY GAVE US THE VOICE. THEYSTOOD UP FOR US. THEY FOUGHT FOR
  • 00:22:24.042 --> 00:22:26.678
  • US. THEY WERE THAT VOICE INWASHINGTON D.C. THAT THEY HAD
  • 00:22:26.712 --> 00:22:31.783
  • OUR BACK. AND THEY DIDN'T DO ITFOR POLITICAL REASONS. THEY
  • 00:22:31.817 --> 00:22:37.489
  • DIDN'T DO IT FROM MONETARYREASONS. THEY DID IT FOR THE
  • 00:22:37.522 --> 00:22:40.092
  • SAME REASONS WE WERE ANORGANIZATION-FOR THE RIGHT
  • 00:22:40.125 --> 00:22:42.594
  • REASONS. -WE COULD HAVE NEVERAFFORDED TO DO ALL OF THIS. THIS
  • 00:22:42.627 --> 00:22:46.298
  • WOULD HAVE COST MILLIONS OFDOLLARS TO LITIGATE. WE DON'T
  • 00:22:46.331 --> 00:22:49.901
  • HAVE THAT KIND OF MONEY. I MEAN,WE WERE LUCKY TO BRING
  • 00:22:49.935 --> 00:22:51.737
  • $10-20.000 IN, IN THE BEGINNING,AND THEN AFTER THAT NOBODY
  • 00:22:51.770 --> 00:22:55.173
  • WANTED TO DONATE TO US. SO, IFWE HADN'T HAD THE ACLJ THERE TO
  • 00:22:55.207 --> 00:23:02.214
  • STAND BY US, HELP FIGHT BACK,AND IT WASN'T JUST THE IRS, AND
  • 00:23:02.247 --> 00:23:08.387
  • PEOPLE KEEP FORGETTING THAT, IFWE DIDN'T HAVE THAT, I DON'T
  • 00:23:08.420 --> 00:23:12.157
  • KNOW WHERE WE'D BE. -WE HADTHINGS PUT IN PLACE SO THEY
  • 00:23:12.190 --> 00:23:15.794
  • WOULDN'T DO IT AGAIN TO SOMEBODYELSE, WHICH IS EVEN MORE
  • 00:23:15.827 --> 00:23:18.997
  • IMPORTANT. AND THE MOSTIMPORTANT THAT THEN BECOMES A
  • 00:23:19.030 --> 00:23:25.137
  • PRECEDENT FOR THAT NEXT GROUPTHAT COMES 5-10 YEARS FROM NOW.
  • 00:23:25.170 --> 00:23:31.777
  • MY 9-YEAR-OLD, WHEN SHE GROWSUP, SHE CAN SAY, HEY MY DAD DID
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  • IT, I CAN DO IT, TOO. AND SHEHAS A VOICE. AND THAT'S REALLY
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  • WHY WE DID THIS. IT WASN'T FORME, IT WAS FOR HER. AND THAT'S
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  • TRULY WHAT WE WON WHEN WE GOTTHE SETTLEMENT. -IT IS NOT
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  • NATURAL FOR LIBERTY TO THRIVE.THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEONE WHO WANTS
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  • TO BE A TYRANT, AND WHO WANTS TOTAKE OUR LIBERTY. SO, YOU MUST
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  • MAKE AN EFFORT TO FIGHT THEBATTLE. -AND I TOLD PEOPLE WHEN
  • 00:23:56.401 --> 00:24:00.772
  • WE ANNOUNCED THE SETTLEMENT,THEY SAID, WELL, WHY IS THIS
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  • IMPORTANT? WHY IS THISIMPORTANT? I SAID BECAUSE IN THE
  • 00:24:03.108 --> 00:24:06.077
  • FUTURE IF ANY GROUP FEELS LIKETHEY'RE BEING TARGETED, EVER,
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  • THEY CAN GO TO FEDERAL COURT ANDBRING OUR CASE THAT THE JUDGE
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  • RULED AND ENJOINED THE IRS, ANDSAID YOU CAN'T DO THIS ANYMORE,
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  • AND THEY CAN SAY THEY'RETARGETING ME BECAUSE OF MY
  • 00:24:21.259 --> 00:24:24.329
  • POLITICS AND YOU GOT TO STOPTHEM. AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO
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  • TAKE FIVE YEARS. THAT'S GONNATAKE FIVE MINUTES. THAT'S A
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  • VICTORY BECAUSE IT PROTECTS OURRIGHTS GOING FORWARD! HOW MUCH
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  • BETTER DOES IT GET THAN THAT,PARTICULARLY, WHEN YOU SAID, OH,
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  • YEAH, WE'RE GONNA FIGHT THE IRS,OH, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA SUE THE
  • 00:24:42.347 --> 00:24:45.817
  • U.S. GOVERNMENT? NO ONE THOUGHTWE COULD DO IT. WE DID IT.
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