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Henry Cloud: Deepening Your Faith by Connecting to God and Others | Takeaways with Kirk Cameron

February 16, 2026 | 52:54

Henry Cloud: Deepening Your Faith by Connecting to God and Others | Takeaways with Kirk Cameron
Kirk Cameron is joined by clinical psychologist Dr. Henry Cloud sharing ways to know God better and how to trust His guidance and direction for your life.
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Takeaways with Kirk Cameron | Henry Cloud: Deepening Your Faith by Connecting to God and Others | Takeaways with Kirk Cameron | February 16, 2026
  • Kirk: do you ever wish you could feel confident that god really
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  • Is guiding you along life's journey?
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  • Or do you wonder where he is when you're struggling
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  • And suffering?
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  • Well, i've got good news for you.
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  • God is closer than you think.
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  • You could say that knowing god personally comes with a lifetime
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  • Of defining moments, pivotal experiences, personal struggles,
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  • And joyous milestones.
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  • As you look back at those chapters in your life, you'll
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  • Find that god was with you all along.
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  • My guest today, dr. henry cloud, will share what he has learned
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  • About god in his journey and ways that we can share how real
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  • God is to others around us.
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  • Henry cloud: if you really seek god, you will find him.
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  • Not only will you find him, he will direct your steps.
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  • And don't think all of that's gonna be fun or easy, because he
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  • Will use the hardest times of our lives to form us and
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  • Shape us.
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  • Kirk: so let's get to it right now on "takeaways."
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  • Kirk: it is so great to have my next guest back with us, dr.
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  • Henry cloud.
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  • He's a clinical psychologist and a "new york times"
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  • Bestselling author.
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  • His 46 books, including the iconic "boundaries," has sold
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  • Nearly 20 million copies worldwide.
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  • His latest book is called "to know him: a 90-day invitation to
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  • Come to god as you are."
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  • Dr. cloud, thanks so much for coming back to "takeaways."
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  • Henry: always good to be with you.
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  • Kirk: i love daily devotionals.
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  • There's one that i use which is--it's kind of a high church
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  • Liturgy which ends up kind of turning out like a church
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  • Service every morning for me with confession and
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  • Adoration and--
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  • Henry: you wear a robe.
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  • Kirk: i wear a robe, i got the collar, i got the smells and the
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  • Bells, and i do--no, but sometimes devotionals can be so
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  • Light and airy, make you feel good, and then others can be so
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  • Theologically rich that it's hard to get through them.
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  • What i love about your stuff is that it is--it's rich like like
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  • The hymns theologically.
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  • It helps me think about the world, but then it's also
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  • Accessible, it's relatable.
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  • And so, thank you for writing this.
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  • One of the things that i know you said about this particular
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  • Devotional is that you had one reason for writing this.
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  • What was that vision for "to know him?"
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  • Henry: well, it came out of a problem i had, and the problem
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  • Was i love god and have known him for a long time, but i love
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  • My friends, too, and a lot of them don't know him.
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  • And you know, with some people it's an extended family.
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  • A lot of people have this in their family.
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  • That conversation's easy to have, but with other people it's
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  • Not, especially in the culture we live in today, because if
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  • You're a christian, all of a sudden they got you in
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  • This spot.
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  • You're all these other things, and you know you're weird, and i
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  • Wanted some way to have something to give to my friends
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  • Who don't know god say this is why i believe, and so i wrote a
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  • Book called "why i believe."
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  • But that book is actually my story--the subtitle is "a
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  • Psychologist's thoughts on suffering, miracles, science,
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  • And faith," because that was my journey, and that's how god--
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  • That's the journey god took me.
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  • It's a lot of us, you know, suffering, you were slaves in
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  • Egypt, god brought us out with a mighty hand with signs and
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  • Wonders, there's miracles, and then there's--he gives us these
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  • Ways to make our life work, and so i wrote that book.
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  • And then what people started saying was it took them through
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  • Their own process as well, even christians, and so we decided,
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  • Well, let's make a daily snippet devotional, and that's where it
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  • Came from.
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  • Kirk: you've made an entire career out of turning your focus
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  • Inward and exploring the mystery of the human mind, the heart,
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  • The soul, how that connects to the outside.
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  • Henry: well, i had to do that with other people, because i
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  • Don't really have one, but.
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  • Kirk: okay, so you're trying to--you were like the--who
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  • Was--was it the scarecrow that was looking for a brain, or the
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  • Tin man was looking for a heart, so what--
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  • Henry: and then there was courage.
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  • Kirk: courage, what caused you to turn the lens inward and
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  • Spend your life trying to understand what's going on
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  • Inside of us?
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  • Henry: pain, suffering, i mean, the way i--i was an accounting
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  • And finance major in college.
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  • Kirk: really?
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  • Henry: yeah, and i'd been recruited to play golf
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  • In college.
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  • I was a competitive golfer, i had an injury, hit bottom, was
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  • So depressed i couldn't function, had to take a semester
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  • Off school.
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  • And that's when i reached out to god in a much deeper way than i
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  • Ever had, and he entered into my life, and as i talk about in
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  • There, in the book, he did miraculous things, and he healed
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  • Me and took me through a process, and that's how it
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  • Started, but then i got so just enamored with his ways and the
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  • Way he's constructed us and how we get healed and better and
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  • Grow, and then a lot of things happened, but he told me to
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  • Change my major.
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  • Halfway through college, i had to start over.
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  • And so then--i don't know anything about psychology
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  • Back then.
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  • That's where he told me to go, and so then what happened was
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  • Because i was--my first love was theology, and i'm looking at
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  • All this through a theological lens and through the scriptures
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  • That i actually found a lot different things that a lot of
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  • Christians would say, the christians back to the inside,
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  • Well, that's introspection, you know, god calls us to
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  • Look outward.
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  • Well, you go to the scriptures and jesus said, you know, dudes,
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  • All this stuff's coming from the inside.
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  • You gotta clean up the tree.
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  • He says in matthew 23, for example, to the religious
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  • People, you clean up the outside of the cup, but inside is
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  • Where--and so that's where healing comes from as well, we
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  • Need both.
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  • We need external change and change in behavior, but their
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  • Root systems inside from trauma, from brokenness, from emptiness,
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  • And from our own dark stuff, you know, sin, and so that's kind of
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  • Where the inside started me, because the outside wasn't
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  • Working in my life, and he had to heal me from the inside.
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  • Kirk: well, and that's what we appreciate so much about you is
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  • That you remind us of that truth, and then you actually
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  • Help us to get our hands on the inside with god's help and begin
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  • To bring that stuff out so that we can deal with it.
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  • Henry: a lot of what's in the cultural psychology world is
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  • Techniquey and sort of--and it can help with some symptoms, but
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  • God wants to change our whole person, your heart, mind, soul
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  • And strength, and the scriptures take an integrated view, and
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  • That's how healing happens, when all our parts are working
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  • Together, and that's the journey he took me through.
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  • Kirk: if you could go back in time, and you could talk to your
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  • Younger self at the beginning of your faith journey, what would
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  • You tell young henry?
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  • Henry: i would tell him, first off, what somebody told me, and
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  • That is trust in the lord with all your heart, and in all your
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  • Ways acknowledge him, and he will direct your steps, and then
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  • I would tell him something else that, of course, i knew the
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  • Verse, but i'm saying, dude, you gotta be ready for this.
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  • In this world you have tribulation, but take courage,
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  • I've overcome the world.
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  • So i would say if you really seek god, you will find him, but
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  • It's more than just, you know, you're gonna have this
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  • Spiritual experience.
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  • Not only will you find him, he will direct your steps.
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  • And don't think all of that's gonna be fun or easy, because he
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  • Will use the hardest times of our lives to form us and shape
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  • Us, but they won't all be hard, you know?
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  • Sorrow is for the night and then the joy comes over.
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  • There's a resurrection on sunday, but sometimes there's a
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  • Death on friday.
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  • That's--and so what i've tried to say for a long time to people
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  • Is, look, you know, we all go through hard times, but there's
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  • Two kinds of pain.
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  • There's good pain and bad pain in terms of where we go from,
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  • And there's stuff that happens to people they don't have
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  • Anything to do with, you were abused, you were abandoned,
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  • Maybe, you know, you were even not ever parented, but the
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  • Choice we have of good pain and bad pain is sometimes the worst
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  • Pain is the pain that comes from trying to avoid pain, and what i
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  • Mean by that is sometimes there's things we need to have
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  • Healed, and if you go to the dentist, it's gonna hurt for a
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  • Minute, but you're gonna be avoiding a root canal, and
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  • You're gonna end the bad pain.
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  • God can heal your broken heart, your woundedness, your trauma,
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  • But sometimes we have to stop avoiding that moment or that
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  • Little season of pain to do the hard work.
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  • It's like in a marriage.
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  • Sometimes a conflict is hard, but if people avoid it, they get
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  • Estranged and go the other way, so the scriptures call call us
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  • To face sometimes the hard things so we don't have to
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  • Prolong them, and we can be healed.
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  • Kirk: that's what i love about your books is that you're
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  • Helping us deal with life as it is the way that god made it,
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  • It's not all comfortable, and how he's bringing us back home
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  • To where it's going to be really, really good with no more
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  • Pain and suffering and sin and evil and all of that, but to get
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  • There, we're taking the scenic route, and we're gonna develop
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  • Our character along the way as we get conformed to the image
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  • Of christ.
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  • Henry: and one of my favorite verses in the passages,
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  • Deuteronomy 6, moses says, look, go tell your kids god gave you
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  • These ways, and if you walk in them so that you could
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  • Always prosper.
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  • And that word prosper means to thrive, doesn't mean you won't
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  • Go through hard things.
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  • But these are ways, and that's why i tried to put it in
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  • Bite-size chunks, because daily.
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  • You know, you don't grow a body by eating one meal, you gotta
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  • Have the right nutrients every day, and that's a process.
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  • Kirk: yeah.
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  • Henry: i wanna get into your book, specific days of
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  • This devotional.
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  • When we come back, we're gonna talk about how science and
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  • Spiritual truth can help us understand more about ourselves
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  • And about how we can better relate to those around us,
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  • So don't go away.
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  • Kirk: welcome back, we're talking with dr. henry cloud
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  • About coming to god just as you are and knowing him better as he
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  • Works around us, as he works for us, and he's working through us.
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  • Henry, one of the things that i love about the way you talk with
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  • And you counsel people is you remind us that we don't have to
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  • Be someone other than who we currently are to come to god,
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  • That he'll take us just as we are.
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  • Can you just unpack that for us?
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  • Henry: we just--you know, ever since the garden of eden, as
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  • Soon as things went bad, we started trying to dress
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  • Ourselves up, you know, so we look better, because we have a
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  • Lot of shame.
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  • You know, it doesn't feel good if i sometimes look at where i
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  • Really am, and so we take the fig leaf, and it's sort of like,
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  • You know, if you're gonna take a bath, you wouldn't take a
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  • Shower first.
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  • God's gonna immerse us in a total makeover.
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  • It's not a rehab job.
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  • We're not gonna remodel this house.
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  • We're gonna be born again.
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  • We're gonna start over, and he's gonna take--he's gonna form us
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  • And shape us.
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  • So to do that, you don't need to clean up, and in fact, your
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  • Steps to try to clean up before he can fix you are actually
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  • Getting in the way.
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  • Have you ever worked on a problem, the handyman--finally
  • 00:12:53.796 --> 00:12:56.565
  • You give up, the handyman comes over and rips out all
  • 00:12:56.565 --> 00:12:58.934
  • Those efforts?
  • 00:12:58.934 --> 00:13:00.402
  • Kirk: the things you've tried to do to fix it.
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  • Henry: they're in the way.
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  • Kirk: yeah, yeah.
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  • Henry: because the things that we can do are under our control,
  • 00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:08.744
  • They're under our abilities, they're under our power, you
  • 00:13:08.744 --> 00:13:11.680
  • Know, they're under what we already know.
  • 00:13:11.680 --> 00:13:14.116
  • Well, that's what got us where we are to begin with or is
  • 00:13:14.116 --> 00:13:17.753
  • Keeping us there.
  • 00:13:17.753 --> 00:13:19.455
  • The power of change is in our powerlessness and dependency and
  • 00:13:19.455 --> 00:13:27.663
  • Weakness, because that's where god steps in.
  • 00:13:27.663 --> 00:13:31.834
  • Paul said, "i glory in my weaknesses," and we have to come
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  • As we are.
  • 00:13:36.038 --> 00:13:37.473
  • And in james it says when we go through things, i love
  • 00:13:37.473 --> 00:13:41.377
  • This verse.
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  • When you're going through things you can't figure it out, it says
  • 00:13:42.745 --> 00:13:46.048
  • Ask god for wisdom who gives it liberally, freely, without
  • 00:13:46.048 --> 00:13:53.889
  • Finding fault.
  • 00:13:53.889 --> 00:13:55.524
  • What a great phrase.
  • 00:13:55.524 --> 00:13:57.326
  • When a kid comes to a parent, says i can't figure this out,
  • 00:13:57.326 --> 00:13:59.929
  • You don't get smacked for not knowing how, it's the not
  • 00:13:59.929 --> 00:14:02.932
  • Knowing what you need to do that the parent's there for.
  • 00:14:02.932 --> 00:14:08.070
  • So stop trying to do what's not working, give up, surrender, and
  • 00:14:08.070 --> 00:14:12.741
  • Say god help me.
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  • I don't even know the next step.
  • 00:14:14.076 --> 00:14:16.545
  • He'll be there.
  • 00:14:16.545 --> 00:14:17.880
  • God is--in philippians says god is at work within us, work out
  • 00:14:17.880 --> 00:14:21.884
  • Your own salvation with fear and trembling, because he is at work
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  • Within you to do the things only he can do, to will and bring
  • 00:14:25.788 --> 00:14:29.391
  • About his good pleasure, so we have a part, but what you're
  • 00:14:29.391 --> 00:14:34.997
  • Broken in and can't fix, that's his part, and you gotta take it
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  • To him.
  • 00:14:39.501 --> 00:14:40.869
  • Kirk: going back to this idea of blending maybe the science of
  • 00:14:40.869 --> 00:14:45.641
  • The mind, an understanding of how we think and our nature with
  • 00:14:45.641 --> 00:14:53.015
  • Spiritual revelation in the scriptures, can you give us an
  • 00:14:53.015 --> 00:14:57.152
  • Example of how those two things can work together?
  • 00:14:57.152 --> 00:15:01.223
  • Because some people say trust in the lord with all of your heart,
  • 00:15:01.223 --> 00:15:03.826
  • Lean not on your own understanding, and god will
  • 00:15:03.826 --> 00:15:05.995
  • Direct your path, that's all you need.
  • 00:15:05.995 --> 00:15:07.763
  • You don't need to do all of this inner introspective work of your
  • 00:15:07.763 --> 00:15:14.203
  • Past and all of these triggers and setting these boundaries and
  • 00:15:14.203 --> 00:15:17.706
  • All that stuff.
  • 00:15:17.706 --> 00:15:19.541
  • Give us an example of how those two things can work together,
  • 00:15:19.541 --> 00:15:22.544
  • And for a christian, we can embrace them wholeheartedly.
  • 00:15:22.544 --> 00:15:26.949
  • Henry: good science always validates the scriptures.
  • 00:15:26.949 --> 00:15:30.386
  • Let me give you an example.
  • 00:15:30.386 --> 00:15:31.754
  • Take anxiety or fear.
  • 00:15:31.754 --> 00:15:33.922
  • A lot of times there's a lot of different methods of dealing
  • 00:15:33.922 --> 00:15:35.958
  • With fear and a lot of good things.
  • 00:15:35.958 --> 00:15:39.528
  • What we know from--we should know it from the scriptures, but
  • 00:15:39.528 --> 00:15:44.733
  • Science validates it, that the number-one antidote to fear
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  • Is love.
  • 00:15:54.009 --> 00:15:57.279
  • A baby that doesn't even know any concepts is screaming in
  • 00:15:57.279 --> 00:16:00.949
  • Terror, what happens?
  • 00:16:00.949 --> 00:16:02.651
  • They're picked up, and they connect.
  • 00:16:02.651 --> 00:16:05.054
  • Connection in love, and you know, we've seen studies that
  • 00:16:05.054 --> 00:16:10.192
  • Immediately drops in half the anxiety levels, the cortisol,
  • 00:16:10.192 --> 00:16:15.197
  • All that adrenaline, all this stuff drops in half as soon as
  • 00:16:15.197 --> 00:16:18.967
  • Somebody comes and somebody is with you.
  • 00:16:18.967 --> 00:16:21.770
  • That's why god says to be with one another.
  • 00:16:21.770 --> 00:16:24.807
  • Think about this, when paul said, "god who comforts the
  • 00:16:24.807 --> 00:16:27.209
  • Depressed sent titus to me," why?
  • 00:16:27.209 --> 00:16:32.314
  • Because he needed connection, human connection.
  • 00:16:32.314 --> 00:16:36.518
  • Well, science validates this all the time.
  • 00:16:36.518 --> 00:16:38.420
  • We go to the scriptures.
  • 00:16:38.420 --> 00:16:40.322
  • What does the bible say?
  • 00:16:40.322 --> 00:16:41.723
  • Perfect love casts out fear.
  • 00:16:41.723 --> 00:16:45.360
  • So a lot of times, for example, we have people trying to deal
  • 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:49.164
  • With their fear only through mental gymnastics or, you know,
  • 00:16:49.164 --> 00:16:53.602
  • Other things that the scriptures always also talk about, but
  • 00:16:53.602 --> 00:16:57.873
  • You're not gonna have a conflict between good science and
  • 00:16:57.873 --> 00:17:01.009
  • The scriptures.
  • 00:17:01.009 --> 00:17:02.344
  • I'll give you another example.
  • 00:17:02.344 --> 00:17:03.745
  • A lot of trauma stuff, grief, loss.
  • 00:17:07.082 --> 00:17:11.487
  • Well, science, freud comes along who was--there were
  • 00:17:11.487 --> 00:17:16.391
  • No psychiatrists.
  • 00:17:16.391 --> 00:17:17.726
  • Freud was a neurologist, and i'm not--don't write me angry
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  • Letters saying, you know, i'm a freudian or whatever.
  • 00:17:20.729 --> 00:17:23.565
  • Freud was a neurologist, and he was treating paralysis and
  • 00:17:23.565 --> 00:17:27.603
  • Blindness, and with some of his paralyzed patients when they
  • 00:17:27.603 --> 00:17:33.142
  • Started to talk and pain would start to emerge, their blindness
  • 00:17:33.142 --> 00:17:38.347
  • Would go away.
  • 00:17:38.347 --> 00:17:39.681
  • We call it hysterical blindness.
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  • Paralysis, it's emotionally based, not you know, your
  • 00:17:41.049 --> 00:17:45.654
  • Retinas aren't gone, but emotionally-based paralysis
  • 00:17:45.654 --> 00:17:49.358
  • Or blindness.
  • 00:17:49.358 --> 00:17:50.893
  • So, and then he started seeing, well, depressed patients when
  • 00:17:50.893 --> 00:17:54.663
  • They started to deal with their pain would get undepressed.
  • 00:17:54.663 --> 00:18:00.502
  • Great, discovery.
  • 00:18:00.502 --> 00:18:02.404
  • Well, go back to the bible.
  • 00:18:02.404 --> 00:18:04.673
  • Solomon said it is better to go into the house of mourning or
  • 00:18:04.673 --> 00:18:09.945
  • Grief than the house of pleasure.
  • 00:18:09.945 --> 00:18:12.915
  • Because, get this, a sad face can make our heart happy.
  • 00:18:12.915 --> 00:18:19.254
  • Meaning if you start to--in other words, going to the house
  • 00:18:19.254 --> 00:18:22.925
  • Of mourning, get in a group or with a counselor and start to
  • 00:18:22.925 --> 00:18:26.328
  • Heal the broken heart and get that stuff out of you through
  • 00:18:26.328 --> 00:18:29.264
  • The systems that god put into you to grieve, and the
  • 00:18:29.264 --> 00:18:33.202
  • Depression will lift rather than the house of pleasure.
  • 00:18:33.202 --> 00:18:36.471
  • A lot of people won't deal with their grief, they'll go to the
  • 00:18:36.471 --> 00:18:39.274
  • House of pleasure, have one more sexual experience, one more
  • 00:18:39.274 --> 00:18:42.678
  • Drug trip.
  • 00:18:42.678 --> 00:18:44.046
  • Kirk: another drink.
  • 00:18:44.046 --> 00:18:45.380
  • Henry: trying to avoid it, but the bible has said this all
  • 00:18:45.380 --> 00:18:47.816
  • Along, so what good science is always gonna do is going to
  • 00:18:47.816 --> 00:18:53.455
  • Observe how god made things to work, and it can explain it, it
  • 00:18:53.455 --> 00:18:59.628
  • Can interpret it, and also, you know, give us some tips.
  • 00:18:59.628 --> 00:19:02.297
  • It's interesting, you go to 2 peter 1, for example, and it
  • 00:19:02.297 --> 00:19:06.702
  • Says if you wanna be fruitful, start with faith, right?
  • 00:19:06.702 --> 00:19:11.373
  • But add to your faith moral excellence, because that's
  • 00:19:11.373 --> 00:19:14.643
  • The foundation.
  • 00:19:14.643 --> 00:19:15.978
  • Somebody's lying, cheating, and stealing, your life's not gonna
  • 00:19:15.978 --> 00:19:17.579
  • Work, but then it says add to your moral excellence knowledge.
  • 00:19:17.579 --> 00:19:23.919
  • We're supposed to be learning.
  • 00:19:23.919 --> 00:19:27.122
  • Kirk: i love our conversation, and i love it when an interview
  • 00:19:27.122 --> 00:19:29.791
  • Turns out to be a therapy session for the host, which is
  • 00:19:29.791 --> 00:19:33.829
  • Happening right now.
  • 00:19:33.829 --> 00:19:35.163
  • After the break, we're gonna continue our conversation with
  • 00:19:35.163 --> 00:19:36.932
  • Dr. henry cloud and discuss what to do when we feel
  • 00:19:36.932 --> 00:19:40.535
  • Spiritually stuck.
  • 00:19:40.535 --> 00:19:42.271
  • Stay with us.
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  • [music]
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  • Kirk: i want to take a moment to introduce you to daniel boston.
  • 00:19:48.210 --> 00:19:51.680
  • He's a devoted husband, an entrepreneur, a philanthropist
  • 00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:55.050
  • Who was raised in a christian household with a strong emphasis
  • 00:19:55.050 --> 00:19:58.186
  • On faith and community values.
  • 00:19:58.186 --> 00:20:00.222
  • After spending 10 years working in the precious metals industry,
  • 00:20:00.222 --> 00:20:04.526
  • Daniel then decided to take the next step and establish his own
  • 00:20:04.526 --> 00:20:07.896
  • Precious metals firm, and he's here with us today to talk about
  • 00:20:07.896 --> 00:20:11.233
  • Preserve gold.
  • 00:20:11.233 --> 00:20:13.001
  • Daniel, thanks so much for joining us.
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  • Daniel boston: thanks for having me, kirk.
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  • Kirk: so, starting your own precious metals company, gold
  • 00:20:16.004 --> 00:20:19.241
  • And silver, what made you do that?
  • 00:20:19.241 --> 00:20:21.576
  • Were you trying to solve a problem for americans?
  • 00:20:21.576 --> 00:20:24.146
  • Daniel: i was, so i've been in the industry, as you just
  • 00:20:24.146 --> 00:20:27.082
  • Stated, for over a decade and was with one particular firm for
  • 00:20:27.082 --> 00:20:31.353
  • A long time, left, and went to another firm, where practices,
  • 00:20:31.353 --> 00:20:35.957
  • In my opinion, were highly unethical and couldn't be a part
  • 00:20:35.957 --> 00:20:40.629
  • Of it, realized that i need to do it on my own terms and in my
  • 00:20:40.629 --> 00:20:43.932
  • Own way.
  • 00:20:43.932 --> 00:20:45.267
  • So preserve gold was launched with a mission of transparency,
  • 00:20:45.267 --> 00:20:47.903
  • Education, and trust, integrity, being at the forefront of
  • 00:20:47.903 --> 00:20:51.239
  • Everything that we do.
  • 00:20:51.239 --> 00:20:52.574
  • Kirk: that's so important, transparency, because there are
  • 00:20:52.574 --> 00:20:55.277
  • So many corrupt individuals today, and it's hard to know who
  • 00:20:55.277 --> 00:20:58.680
  • To trust, and so to have someone like you who understands global
  • 00:20:58.680 --> 00:21:01.983
  • Economies and safe ways to invest money is such a gift.
  • 00:21:01.983 --> 00:21:06.722
  • With gold and silver being valued so highly, what does that
  • 00:21:06.722 --> 00:21:11.526
  • Say about the value of everything else in the
  • 00:21:11.526 --> 00:21:13.729
  • Global economy?
  • 00:21:13.729 --> 00:21:15.063
  • Daniel: i think it's a testament to the uncertainty that we're
  • 00:21:15.063 --> 00:21:17.666
  • Dealing with right now, you know, from rising debt that's
  • 00:21:17.666 --> 00:21:20.802
  • Not going away, you have geopolitical unrest, you have
  • 00:21:20.802 --> 00:21:25.273
  • Uncertainty inside the markets, the stock market and the
  • 00:21:25.273 --> 00:21:28.243
  • Bond market.
  • 00:21:28.243 --> 00:21:29.578
  • There's a laundry list of issues that are causing gold and silver
  • 00:21:29.578 --> 00:21:32.247
  • Prices to react the way they are right now.
  • 00:21:32.247 --> 00:21:34.483
  • Kirk: can you double click on that one more time and help us
  • 00:21:34.483 --> 00:21:37.586
  • Understand how instability, wars in the middle east, wars in
  • 00:21:37.586 --> 00:21:43.125
  • Other countries, those problems point us to wanting to find
  • 00:21:43.125 --> 00:21:48.997
  • Something that maybe is a little immune to that kind of
  • 00:21:48.997 --> 00:21:51.166
  • Volatility and how gold and silver answers the question.
  • 00:21:51.166 --> 00:21:54.603
  • Daniel: sure, yeah, when, you know, throughout history, gold's
  • 00:21:54.603 --> 00:21:58.039
  • Been used as a currency hedge for thousands of years.
  • 00:21:58.039 --> 00:22:01.643
  • In more modern times, it's used as a way to hedge against
  • 00:22:01.643 --> 00:22:05.013
  • Currency debasement and market volatility.
  • 00:22:05.013 --> 00:22:08.550
  • Typically what you see happen is when money rotates out of stocks
  • 00:22:08.550 --> 00:22:11.787
  • And bonds during a market crash, when it rotates out of cash
  • 00:22:11.787 --> 00:22:14.956
  • During periods of inflation, it just needs a place to go.
  • 00:22:14.956 --> 00:22:17.993
  • It tends to gravitate towards gold and silver first, because
  • 00:22:17.993 --> 00:22:20.629
  • They're considered the classic safe haven investments, and
  • 00:22:20.629 --> 00:22:22.964
  • That's why prices go higher.
  • 00:22:22.964 --> 00:22:24.766
  • So we can go throughout history, but more recently in 2008 during
  • 00:22:24.766 --> 00:22:28.537
  • The housing crisis, when the markets bottomed out, silver
  • 00:22:28.537 --> 00:22:31.840
  • Prices went up over 300%, gold prices rose well over 100%.
  • 00:22:31.840 --> 00:22:36.011
  • In 2020, during covid, same thing, this has been a pattern
  • 00:22:36.011 --> 00:22:40.215
  • That's repeated itself over and over again, so i think people
  • 00:22:40.215 --> 00:22:42.918
  • Look at the stability that precious metals offer, it's
  • 00:22:42.918 --> 00:22:45.787
  • Proven itself over and over again, and, you know, it
  • 00:22:45.787 --> 00:22:48.824
  • Continues to serve as a safe haven asset when things become
  • 00:22:48.824 --> 00:22:52.394
  • Volatile, as you said, and uncertain.
  • 00:22:52.394 --> 00:22:54.963
  • Kirk: why is inflation causing people to gravitate toward gold
  • 00:22:54.963 --> 00:23:01.102
  • And silver?
  • 00:23:01.102 --> 00:23:02.437
  • Daniel: with dollars, you have the federal reserve that can
  • 00:23:02.437 --> 00:23:04.873
  • Turn on their money printing machine and print dollars out of
  • 00:23:04.873 --> 00:23:07.075
  • Thin air.
  • 00:23:07.075 --> 00:23:08.410
  • With gold, it's a finite resource, you can't print it, it
  • 00:23:08.410 --> 00:23:11.446
  • Can't be devalued.
  • 00:23:11.446 --> 00:23:12.948
  • So the best example i can give, i think our audience will
  • 00:23:12.948 --> 00:23:15.817
  • Understand is you can go back to the great depression.
  • 00:23:15.817 --> 00:23:17.886
  • During the great depression, you could have taken a 1-ounce gold
  • 00:23:17.886 --> 00:23:20.188
  • Piece and a $20 bill, both of those items separately would
  • 00:23:20.188 --> 00:23:23.358
  • Have bought you a brand-new man's suit.
  • 00:23:23.358 --> 00:23:25.293
  • Today it's gonna cost you $3,000, $4000 for that suit,
  • 00:23:25.293 --> 00:23:28.697
  • Whereas the 1-ounce gold piece that bought you the suit during
  • 00:23:28.697 --> 00:23:30.799
  • The depression will still buy you that same suit today.
  • 00:23:30.799 --> 00:23:33.802
  • So if one would have simply translated the $20 bill into a
  • 00:23:33.802 --> 00:23:36.371
  • 1-ounce gold piece and bought that suit today, you'd be able
  • 00:23:36.371 --> 00:23:39.074
  • To cash out for the equivalent of what a man's suit is
  • 00:23:39.074 --> 00:23:41.343
  • Now worth.
  • 00:23:41.343 --> 00:23:42.677
  • It's just a great example to show you how both gold and
  • 00:23:42.677 --> 00:23:44.279
  • Silver will protect and preserve wealth and purchasing power.
  • 00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:46.515
  • Kirk: it makes me wonder why more people aren't investing in
  • 00:23:46.515 --> 00:23:50.051
  • Gold and silver if it's such a great hedge against the
  • 00:23:50.051 --> 00:23:53.121
  • Volatility of wars and the devaluation of dollars.
  • 00:23:53.121 --> 00:23:58.827
  • Do you think it's because people aren't aware of the value of
  • 00:23:58.827 --> 00:24:01.596
  • Gold and silver, or are there inherent dangers with it?
  • 00:24:01.596 --> 00:24:04.566
  • Daniel: you know, there's a risk to any kind of investment, you
  • 00:24:04.566 --> 00:24:06.735
  • Know, nobody has a crystal ball, you know, anyone that says that
  • 00:24:06.735 --> 00:24:09.504
  • They know what's gonna happen or they can predict the future,
  • 00:24:09.504 --> 00:24:11.640
  • That's the first person you want to run away from.
  • 00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:13.341
  • But gold and silver have a track record of stability, and i
  • 00:24:13.341 --> 00:24:17.212
  • Think, you know, the main thing that probably prohibits people
  • 00:24:17.212 --> 00:24:19.848
  • From coming into the precious metals market is just a lack of
  • 00:24:19.848 --> 00:24:22.517
  • Education, which is really where we come in.
  • 00:24:22.517 --> 00:24:24.052
  • So, you know, with the people that we work with, we don't tell
  • 00:24:24.052 --> 00:24:27.622
  • People what to do.
  • 00:24:27.622 --> 00:24:28.957
  • We really take the time with the people that we work with to
  • 00:24:28.957 --> 00:24:32.394
  • Understand their unique situation, go over their
  • 00:24:32.394 --> 00:24:34.763
  • Personal goals and objectives, really to understand what that
  • 00:24:34.763 --> 00:24:37.933
  • Looks like.
  • 00:24:37.933 --> 00:24:39.267
  • There's a lot of people where we--that we will tell them we
  • 00:24:39.267 --> 00:24:41.503
  • Don't believe precious smells is the right option for you based
  • 00:24:41.503 --> 00:24:43.572
  • On whatever their situation is, and, you know, through an
  • 00:24:43.572 --> 00:24:47.075
  • Educational-based approach, people--our goal is to land
  • 00:24:47.075 --> 00:24:49.444
  • People in a place where they can make the best decision
  • 00:24:49.444 --> 00:24:51.913
  • For themselves.
  • 00:24:51.913 --> 00:24:53.281
  • Kirk: i think that's what people are really looking for is not
  • 00:24:53.281 --> 00:24:55.784
  • Just to be told what to do but to have someone they can trust
  • 00:24:55.784 --> 00:25:00.422
  • To help guide them through the education process so that they
  • 00:25:00.422 --> 00:25:03.892
  • Can make a decision based on what they think is best for
  • 00:25:03.892 --> 00:25:07.362
  • Their situation.
  • 00:25:07.362 --> 00:25:09.230
  • Daniel, how can people learn more about preserve gold and get
  • 00:25:09.230 --> 00:25:12.100
  • Ahold of your information kit and go to your website?
  • 00:25:12.100 --> 00:25:15.370
  • Daniel: yeah, just they can give us a call at our toll-free
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  • Kirk: so what are some obstacles to spiritual growth?
  • 00:26:06.786 --> 00:26:09.889
  • We're discussing dr. henry cloud's latest book, "to know
  • 00:26:09.889 --> 00:26:12.825
  • Him," and what to do when you feel like you're not making any
  • 00:26:12.825 --> 00:26:17.030
  • Progress spiritually.
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  • So, dr. cloud, be honest with us, are there areas in your life
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  • Where you're still growing, where you're still having to set
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  • Some boundaries, and you still see that i'm stuck in areas?
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  • Henry: sure, i was on an interview the other day, and
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  • They said, "well, you know, what's god been telling you?"
  • 00:26:37.250 --> 00:26:39.419
  • I go, "i'll tell you what he's been telling me, but i don't
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  • Like it."
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  • And they go, "what's that?"
  • 00:26:43.823 --> 00:26:45.925
  • Said, "in the last probably 3 months, he's been showing me
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  • And speaking to me about how in some ways
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  • Critical i can be internally."
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  • Like maybe i've learned how to not be mean to people and not,
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  • You know, but sometimes like some attitudes about how i feel
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  • About certain people with certain views or certain
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  • Behaviors or whatever, i'm not loving even my enemies sometimes
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  • Deep down inside.
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  • Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that will continue, and jesus
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  • Said, father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.
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  • And sometimes i'm like they don't know what they're doing,
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  • And i'm mad at them, you know?
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  • There's a place for all of that, but the point is that he's
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  • Always working, always working on growing us.
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  • And sometimes it's even pain goes throughout, you know, it
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  • Surfaces at at deeper levels.
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  • I've had some significant losses in my life, and some of those
  • 00:28:02.368 --> 00:28:08.574
  • Really didn't even surface until way later.
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  • But i'll give you a quick example where, you know, this
  • 00:28:13.546 --> 00:28:18.184
  • Stuff can come up later when you think you've dealt with it.
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  • I had a--my brother-in-law was a navy seal, he was the brother
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  • I never had, and we were really, really close, and he was killed
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  • In iraq.
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  • And when it happened, there's so much going on with the family,
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  • And it was also the time, it was in '08, the financial crash, and
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  • I work in leadership, i was on in wall street--on wall street
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  • Throughout that year.
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  • We're dealing with a loss and both of my parents died within
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  • Weeks of all of that, so i lost my mom, my dad, my
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  • Brother-in-law, but i was running 1,000 miles an hour with
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  • All of this, made it through it.
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  • The next spring, a year later, and i--you know sheila walsh,
  • 00:29:02.395 --> 00:29:10.937
  • Sheila and i were doing the women of faith tour together.
  • 00:29:10.937 --> 00:29:14.340
  • I stepped on the stage, and i'm speaking an arena full of women,
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  • And the room starts spinning, and it's going like this, and
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  • I'm trying to give a talk and, you know, and i'm, my breathing,
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  • And the psychologist part of me is sitting over here going
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  • You're having a panic attack.
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  • And i gotta keep doing this, and now i'm this, and then another
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  • Part of me says--obeying the psychologist says, don't leave
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  • The stage, that's gonna reinforce the fear, it's gonna
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  • Get worse, so i stay there, and i make it through it.
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  • I think i'm tired, you know.
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  • I flew in 2 o'clock in the morning, i hadn't eaten and so.
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  • Well, it happened the next week, and then it happened a
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  • Third time.
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  • And i sat down and said what is going on with me?
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  • And it just dawned on me, i never dealt with any of that
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  • Loss last year, and it's catching up to me.
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  • So i had to go in, find a good shrink, sit down, and i had a
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  • Lot of grieving to do, and then i was fine.
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  • But stuff like that happens throughout our lives.
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  • And god will correct us daily.
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  • We're never done, never done.
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  • Gets better though.
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  • That's a good thing.
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  • Kirk: what do you do when you recognize that you still have
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  • Areas where i need to grow, and you're asking the lord to change
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  • You, but you just feel stuck?
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  • Like, for example, you look back in your journal, and you say 20
  • 00:30:37.290 --> 00:30:41.460
  • Years ago i was saying the same thing.
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  • I'm still dealing with the same selfishness problem or still the
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  • Same anger problem or this lack of ability to trust god problem.
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  • What do you think people are missing when they stay stuck?
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  • Henry: well, a lot of times the first thing we need to do is
  • 00:30:59.345 --> 00:31:02.181
  • Just recognize what i'm doing is not working, and so that's a
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  • That's another part of the weakness, and the first thing we
  • 00:31:07.954 --> 00:31:11.023
  • Always do is say to god i am trying, and it ain't working, i
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  • Need help, and really, really, really, really seek him for
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  • His help.
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  • But there may be a missing piece in the menu of the help you've
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  • Been trying.
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  • So what have we been trying?
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  • Well, maybe we've just been reading my bible or praying or
  • 00:31:32.311 --> 00:31:35.214
  • Going to church or whatever.
  • 00:31:35.214 --> 00:31:37.216
  • Well, there's 1,000 other--you know, when you go to a doctor,
  • 00:31:37.216 --> 00:31:42.655
  • They got a lot of different treatments, depends on what the
  • 00:31:42.655 --> 00:31:46.892
  • Disease is.
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  • The next move i would make is i would go to somebody that brings
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  • Something to the party.
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  • You know, you've been trying to feel better, what do you
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  • Do next?
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  • Well, you go to a doctor that's seen this before and knows how
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  • To apply maybe the missing piece that you haven't had.
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  • Like, for example, it may be that, like i was talking about
  • 00:32:07.380 --> 00:32:12.685
  • It, it may be your fatigue could be coming from your thyroid, but
  • 00:32:12.685 --> 00:32:18.090
  • It also could be from some unresolved grief, for example.
  • 00:32:18.090 --> 00:32:24.964
  • Your fear may be a lot of times you're trying to go through, you
  • 00:32:24.964 --> 00:32:29.535
  • Know, some things that just change in your thinking, but it
  • 00:32:29.535 --> 00:32:33.739
  • May be coming from your limbic system, which is where
  • 00:32:33.739 --> 00:32:37.810
  • Trauma lives.
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  • It's like verizon and at&t, two different networks that they're
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  • Not talking to each other.
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  • It may be from some principles you need to learn about how
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  • People in christian love, for example, you're trying to be
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  • Loving and patient this and the other, which we are called to be
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  • And be gracious, but it may be there's some other biblical
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  • Parts about setting boundaries and limits and not letting other
  • 00:33:02.868 --> 00:33:06.072
  • People do this stuff to you and letting them be responsible for
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  • Their own behavior that's causing a lot of that anxiety
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  • And stuff, so a lot of times we've come to the end of
  • 00:33:14.046 --> 00:33:17.249
  • Ourselves, and it's going to be god, and it's gonna be wisdom
  • 00:33:17.249 --> 00:33:22.788
  • From--that he's gifted people with and even knowing his word
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  • And other things that we don't have.
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  • We gotta reach outside of ourselves, and then we're gonna
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  • Learn new ways, and then we have to walk in them, and so that's
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  • Where i would start.
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  • Kirk: dr. cloud, you say in one of your devotions here, "i can
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  • Now understand how specific kinds of suffering can be a good
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  • Thing if it's in the service of growth."
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  • Unpack that for us.
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  • Henry: well, the simplest way is to think about some pain we're
  • 00:33:51.851 --> 00:33:58.924
  • Experiencing, and we--and in order for it to stop, that we've
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  • Gotta have a moment of pain.
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  • I remember one time, my daughter, when she was, i don't
  • 00:34:06.432 --> 00:34:09.702
  • Know, 5 years old, had a splinter in her foot, and she
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  • Couldn't, you know, it's getting swollen, she couldn't, and
  • 00:34:15.141 --> 00:34:17.209
  • It's hurting.
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  • I said, well, come, come and look at it and put your foot up
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  • Here and i said, oh, you got a splinter out here.
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  • Let me get it out.
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  • And i started to touch it a little bit.
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  • She goes, no, no, no, no, no.
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  • I go, olivia.
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  • Just sit still for a second and she's avoiding the pain that's
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  • Gonna take it's gonna be momentary, but it's gonna take.
  • 00:34:33.292 --> 00:34:36.428
  • I said, okay let me look at it again and distracted her,
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  • Reached in there, yanked it out, she screamed and i said, now put
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  • Your foot down.
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  • She goes, oh, it's better.
  • 00:34:45.204 --> 00:34:46.772
  • Well, that's the simplest example.
  • 00:34:46.772 --> 00:34:51.310
  • Sometimes, you know, if i started stomping on your foot a
  • 00:34:51.310 --> 00:34:56.015
  • Little bit and it didn't hurt to, but at some point it's
  • 00:34:56.015 --> 00:34:58.184
  • Gonna, you have to say he stop that.
  • 00:34:58.184 --> 00:35:02.021
  • Well, sometimes people are kind of stomping on your life a
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  • Little bit.
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  • But to tell them.
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  • To stop it, what if you're conflict avoidant and afraid of
  • 00:35:10.362 --> 00:35:14.800
  • Them getting mad or afraid of their disapproval, or you, you
  • 00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:18.204
  • Know, it's gonna be.
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  • A stretch for you to do something hard and maybe it's
  • 00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:26.011
  • Gonna cause a conflict, but that's the only way the pain's
  • 00:35:26.011 --> 00:35:28.647
  • Gonna get that's good pain.
  • 00:35:28.647 --> 00:35:30.015
  • I was in a basically a wheelchair for.
  • 00:35:30.015 --> 00:35:33.219
  • Three of the last however many recent years we had spine
  • 00:35:33.219 --> 00:35:37.289
  • Surgery and two knee replacements.
  • 00:35:37.289 --> 00:35:39.291
  • I got so stiff and immobile, and now i'm out now and i'm trying
  • 00:35:39.291 --> 00:35:43.629
  • To gain my mobility back and i'm going to, you know, serious
  • 00:35:43.629 --> 00:35:48.100
  • Stretching, pilates, kinds of, you know, it hurts every time
  • 00:35:48.100 --> 00:35:56.508
  • I go.
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  • And then i go out of there, and i got 4 degrees more mobility,
  • 00:35:58.143 --> 00:36:03.115
  • You know, when you go to the gym, that's pain of growing a
  • 00:36:03.115 --> 00:36:06.051
  • Muscle, it hurts, you're tearing down muscle, and then the next
  • 00:36:06.051 --> 00:36:12.491
  • Day you're stronger.
  • 00:36:12.491 --> 00:36:14.026
  • So that's one example, and give one quick interesting
  • 00:36:14.026 --> 00:36:18.931
  • Passage, romans 5, it says this--
  • 00:36:18.931 --> 00:36:22.101
  • James 1 says this, it says, you know,
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  • We glory in our sufferings.
  • 00:36:24.470 --> 00:36:27.273
  • Because suffering produces character and perseverance,
  • 00:36:27.273 --> 00:36:30.909
  • Perseverance, character and character hope.
  • 00:36:30.909 --> 00:36:34.179
  • That word there for suffering.
  • 00:36:34.179 --> 00:36:36.649
  • The greek word means a circumstance from which there is
  • 00:36:36.649 --> 00:36:41.954
  • No escape.
  • 00:36:41.954 --> 00:36:44.390
  • So a lot of times we're just trying to change the outside
  • 00:36:44.390 --> 00:36:47.126
  • World to stop our anxiety and suffering, but what's gotta
  • 00:36:47.126 --> 00:36:51.363
  • Happen is we've got to change, because there's no escaping,
  • 00:36:51.363 --> 00:36:54.967
  • Sometimes, the situation.
  • 00:36:54.967 --> 00:36:56.302
  • As we change and get stronger, the fear and the anxiety and
  • 00:36:56.302 --> 00:37:00.039
  • Everything goes down, but that takes work.
  • 00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:03.676
  • Kirk: you know, the great thing about this book is that for
  • 00:37:03.676 --> 00:37:06.211
  • Those who are not in a chair sitting across from you getting
  • 00:37:06.211 --> 00:37:11.216
  • A counseling session like i'm getting right now, they can talk
  • 00:37:11.216 --> 00:37:13.986
  • To you every single day or listen to you and your voice
  • 00:37:13.986 --> 00:37:17.856
  • With this morning devotional, and i'm so thankful for this.
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  • I wanna talk with you more.
  • 00:37:20.626 --> 00:37:21.960
  • There's so much more to discuss.
  • 00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:23.329
  • We're gonna be right back with insights on connecting with god
  • 00:37:23.329 --> 00:37:26.799
  • And with each other from our friend and clinical
  • 00:37:26.799 --> 00:37:29.501
  • Psychologist, dr. henry cloud, so don't miss it.
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  • [music]
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  • [music]
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  • [music]
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  • Kirk: we're back, dr. henry cloud is
  • 00:37:45.217 --> 00:37:46.785
  • Our guest today, and we're talking about knowing god
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  • And how he works in our lives.
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  • Henry, what would you say to somebody who feels intimidated
  • 00:37:52.791 --> 00:37:55.961
  • By theology?
  • 00:37:55.961 --> 00:37:57.329
  • This is a book about knowing god, and spiritual language like
  • 00:37:57.329 --> 00:38:02.134
  • That can be scary to them.
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  • What do you hope this book will do?
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  • Henry: when you're saying that, i was thinking, you know, every
  • 00:38:09.174 --> 00:38:12.478
  • Baby has a mama that they know, and there's a reason after a few
  • 00:38:12.478 --> 00:38:18.751
  • Months their face lights up when they hear mama's voice as
  • 00:38:18.751 --> 00:38:21.487
  • Opposed to a stranger.
  • 00:38:21.487 --> 00:38:24.390
  • She's got a whole history, she's got blood panels and dna
  • 00:38:24.390 --> 00:38:29.495
  • Structures, and they're all about her and all of her ways
  • 00:38:29.495 --> 00:38:32.164
  • And all this.
  • 00:38:32.164 --> 00:38:33.699
  • The baby doesn't have to know all that to know her, the way
  • 00:38:33.699 --> 00:38:37.169
  • It starts.
  • 00:38:37.169 --> 00:38:38.537
  • Now, that baby is gonna learn all that over time, but if you
  • 00:38:38.537 --> 00:38:43.509
  • Take the thief on the cross, and he ended up in heaven, right?
  • 00:38:43.509 --> 00:38:48.580
  • That day, we know he did, and he goes into the pearly gates, and
  • 00:38:48.580 --> 00:38:54.553
  • Peter says, "why should you be here?"
  • 00:38:54.553 --> 00:38:57.890
  • He didn't ask him recite the doctrine of justification.
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  • What's the difference in pre-millennial eschatology and
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  • Amillennial eschatology?
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  • What are your views on soteriology?
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  • All he said was, "well, i know this guy, his name is jesus, and
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  • He's--i recognize he's god, and he told me that i need to--i
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  • Could come, and that's why i'm here."
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  • Kirk: yeah.
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  • Henry: well, let god teach you his ways.
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  • It starts with doing what a baby does.
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  • David said this, kirk, he said.
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  • "god, you taught me to trust you at my mother's breast."
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  • Kirk: hmm.
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  • Henry: you don't have to know anything to start.
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  • Lean into him, he'll take you down a path.
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  • Kirk: you know, everything that you're saying squares up with
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  • The scriptures that are coming to my mind.
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  • Jesus said if you wanna enter the kingdom of god, you've got
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  • To be born again.
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  • It's this baby, infant language, if you want to enter the kingdom
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  • Of heaven, you've gotta become like a little child, you've
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  • Gotta be humble like these little children.
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  • They don't know very much, they're not very important in
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  • That cultural society.
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  • We can just come like that, and then god begins to teach us.
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  • Henry: a hundred percent, and sometimes we think we're here,
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  • We gotta go back and become like that.
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  • You know, the writer of hebrews said i should be able to talk
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  • About things of maturity, but you've come to me like children,
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  • And you need milk again.
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  • Sometimes we gotta--i thought i was this far, but i gotta go
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  • Back to the basics, and the first one is trust.
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  • Kirk: all right, the title of one of your devotions here is,
  • 00:40:53.138 --> 00:40:55.874
  • "your faith can stand up to question."
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  • Your faith can stand up to questions.
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  • What do you have to say for people who say god just doesn't
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  • Make sense to me, and here's why.
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  • Henry: well, first thing i would say is, well, why would you want
  • 00:41:08.287 --> 00:41:10.956
  • A god that you could fully understand?
  • 00:41:10.956 --> 00:41:14.459
  • Then you'd be equal.
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  • I don't want a god that i can fully understand.
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  • I wanna learn more about the god that i know, but paul says that
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  • He's unfathomable.
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  • God says my ways are higher than yours.
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  • There are some things that we will not fully understand, and
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  • So i would say to them i agree, there's some things about god
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  • That i don't understand.
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  • Now, i have not understood some stuff that he led me to an
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  • Understanding of, and that's the great thing about this
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  • Relationship with god.
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  • When you met your spouse, if you're married, you didn't
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  • Understand everything about them.
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  • If you had to know everything about them before you were gonna
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  • Say yes, you're missing out on the whole journey and the
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  • Whole experience.
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  • But here's what you had to know before you married 'em, i hope.
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  • You vetted 'em enough to know i think i can trust this person.
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  • Marriage is a covenant.
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  • It's based on stepping into i'm trusting you enough to join my
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  • Life to you.
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  • I don't have to know everything.
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  • So i would want you to look at jesus, want you to read what
  • 00:42:29.368 --> 00:42:36.208
  • He said.
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  • Is what he said things that you would like to trust, love,
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  • Freedom, helping the weak and the poor people, healing people,
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  • Serving people, using your talents and being responsible
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  • For them?
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  • Aren't those principles that you trust?
  • 00:42:55.961 --> 00:42:59.131
  • And if you go further, the big one is you gotta trust what he
  • 00:42:59.131 --> 00:43:04.770
  • Said that he's god.
  • 00:43:04.770 --> 00:43:06.104
  • Well, how am i gonna vet that?
  • 00:43:06.104 --> 00:43:08.273
  • Look into the story and look into the history.
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  • This is the only one that's saying trust what i say about
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  • God who actually came back from the dead.
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  • And that's objective history that you can go research.
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  • It's unbelievable how many things are running through
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  • People's heads that they've never looked into to find out
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  • Why should i believe this stuff?
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  • That's why i called the book, the book came from why
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  • I believe.
  • 00:43:41.173 --> 00:43:42.641
  • But i didn't know why i believed until i took the first step.
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  • I remember that day in deep suffering, i walked down to an
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  • Altar in an empty chapel, and i said, "god, i don't even know if
  • 00:43:54.219 --> 00:43:58.390
  • You're there, but i need help.
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  • Help me."
  • 00:44:02.561 --> 00:44:05.197
  • And kirk, it was--i was expecting to get zapped like
  • 00:44:05.197 --> 00:44:08.200
  • I've seen on tv.
  • 00:44:08.200 --> 00:44:10.235
  • People go, "ah!"
  • 00:44:10.235 --> 00:44:11.603
  • Nothing happened.
  • 00:44:11.603 --> 00:44:12.938
  • It was like silence.
  • 00:44:12.938 --> 00:44:14.306
  • It was the loneliest moment of my life, because i finally
  • 00:44:14.306 --> 00:44:16.708
  • Jumped out of the plane.
  • 00:44:16.708 --> 00:44:18.076
  • I finally reached out to god, nothing happened, and i'm like,
  • 00:44:18.076 --> 00:44:21.980
  • Oh, call me.
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  • I go back to my dorm room, a little while later, the
  • 00:44:25.951 --> 00:44:29.287
  • Phone rang.
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  • It was a fraternity brother, he said, "i don't know why i'm
  • 00:44:31.156 --> 00:44:33.358
  • Thinking of you right now, because you're the last person i
  • 00:44:33.358 --> 00:44:35.694
  • Would invite to something like this, but we're starting a bible
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  • Study in the fraternity house, wondering if you'd
  • 00:44:38.130 --> 00:44:41.266
  • Be interested."
  • 00:44:41.266 --> 00:44:43.268
  • And i saw that as a, oh, maybe he heard me, maybe this is real,
  • 00:44:43.268 --> 00:44:48.473
  • And i went.
  • 00:44:48.473 --> 00:44:49.841
  • And that started a path.
  • 00:44:49.841 --> 00:44:53.645
  • Take a step, ask him to help you understand what you don't
  • 00:44:53.645 --> 00:44:58.450
  • Understand, and god started providing answers to all
  • 00:44:58.450 --> 00:45:01.553
  • My questions.
  • 00:45:01.553 --> 00:45:02.888
  • And finally i gave up even, god, i'll never understand that, but
  • 00:45:02.888 --> 00:45:08.493
  • You're bigger than me.
  • 00:45:08.493 --> 00:45:10.228
  • Kirk: i have a family member who has someone very close in his
  • 00:45:10.228 --> 00:45:17.736
  • Life who has a traumatic hurt from the past, from a father who
  • 00:45:17.736 --> 00:45:25.277
  • Claimed to be a christian and did bad things, and so while
  • 00:45:25.277 --> 00:45:29.514
  • That person may or may not have a heart that is longing to
  • 00:45:29.514 --> 00:45:34.519
  • Connect with god, they feel they just can't because that is going
  • 00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:39.024
  • To ground zero of all of my pain.
  • 00:45:39.024 --> 00:45:41.426
  • What do you say to someone like that?
  • 00:45:41.426 --> 00:45:43.695
  • Henry: i have a chapter in the book, "why i believe," because
  • 00:45:43.695 --> 00:45:48.800
  • It was one of the big obstacles for me in coming to faith, but
  • 00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:51.703
  • God, what about these weird christians, these
  • 00:45:51.703 --> 00:45:56.141
  • Abusive christians?
  • 00:45:56.141 --> 00:45:58.376
  • That was a barrier.
  • 00:45:58.376 --> 00:45:59.711
  • I used to say, god, i'm fine with you, i just don't like your
  • 00:45:59.711 --> 00:46:02.881
  • Friends, you know?
  • 00:46:02.881 --> 00:46:04.649
  • And that was in the way.
  • 00:46:04.649 --> 00:46:06.017
  • The chapter's called "jesus, explain your followers to me."
  • 00:46:06.017 --> 00:46:09.721
  • That, what you just talked about is such a barrier for so many
  • 00:46:09.721 --> 00:46:13.859
  • People, and jesus actually said to the pharisees, you don't
  • 00:46:13.859 --> 00:46:18.563
  • Enter in--and these were religious people.
  • 00:46:18.563 --> 00:46:22.334
  • These were the preachers in the--
  • 00:46:22.334 --> 00:46:25.437
  • He said you're not even entering in yourselves, and you're
  • 00:46:25.437 --> 00:46:30.575
  • Preventing others from entering in because of your behavior.
  • 00:46:30.575 --> 00:46:35.513
  • So the first thing i wanna say is, yeah, jesus gets it, he
  • 00:46:35.513 --> 00:46:41.119
  • Agrees with you.
  • 00:46:41.119 --> 00:46:43.355
  • That was not a true representative of what
  • 00:46:43.355 --> 00:46:47.759
  • He's like.
  • 00:46:47.759 --> 00:46:50.061
  • So we can't let--i go to restaurants, i've been to one
  • 00:46:50.061 --> 00:46:54.733
  • Where i got food poisoning, but i didn't stop going
  • 00:46:54.733 --> 00:46:56.968
  • To restaurants.
  • 00:46:56.968 --> 00:46:59.704
  • The bible validates exactly what you're saying.
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  • Kirk: that's important.
  • 00:47:03.708 --> 00:47:05.043
  • Henry: there will be people in my name that don't know me, and
  • 00:47:05.043 --> 00:47:09.481
  • Don't judge me by them.
  • 00:47:09.481 --> 00:47:12.250
  • And so, number one, he empathizes with you, but he asks
  • 00:47:12.250 --> 00:47:17.956
  • You, judge him by his behavior, not by people that say they're
  • 00:47:17.956 --> 00:47:26.197
  • One of his, and then look at some people who actually are.
  • 00:47:26.197 --> 00:47:32.137
  • I bet you know some christians who you've seen sacrifice and
  • 00:47:32.137 --> 00:47:36.975
  • Suffer and give of themselves and go the extra mile.
  • 00:47:36.975 --> 00:47:41.746
  • Let's don't judge all of the truth of jesus by some
  • 00:47:41.746 --> 00:47:47.719
  • Bad apples.
  • 00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:49.988
  • And somebody said to jesus one day, well, you got the wheat and
  • 00:47:49.988 --> 00:47:53.658
  • The tares, why don't you get rid of all these bad people in
  • 00:47:53.658 --> 00:47:56.728
  • The church?
  • 00:47:56.728 --> 00:47:58.430
  • He said, "well, i will, but if i rip them out now, then we'll rip
  • 00:47:58.430 --> 00:48:03.068
  • Up the rest of them, and i'm growing a whole field together."
  • 00:48:03.068 --> 00:48:06.204
  • There's weeds and everything, and he also gave us ways to deal
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  • With that.
  • 00:48:09.140 --> 00:48:10.475
  • Somebody in that relative's life was not confronting them that
  • 00:48:10.475 --> 00:48:15.880
  • Should have been.
  • 00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:17.248
  • The immune system of the church that he was in should have
  • 00:48:17.248 --> 00:48:22.120
  • Stamped out that behavior and that bacteria and those
  • 00:48:22.120 --> 00:48:24.856
  • Attitudes and that domination or whatever it was.
  • 00:48:24.856 --> 00:48:28.026
  • Somebody should have done that, and they didn't, but that's
  • 00:48:28.026 --> 00:48:32.397
  • Not jesus.
  • 00:48:32.397 --> 00:48:34.065
  • Kirk: dr. cloud, if somebody has a quiet morning tomorrow, and
  • 00:48:34.065 --> 00:48:38.570
  • They open up this book, what do you hope that they'll get out
  • 00:48:38.570 --> 00:48:41.473
  • Of it?
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  • Henry: they can say that first of all, whatever they're
  • 00:48:42.807 --> 00:48:45.510
  • Struggling with, those things are not uncommon to mankind, the
  • 00:48:45.510 --> 00:48:50.148
  • Bible says, you know?
  • 00:48:50.148 --> 00:48:51.716
  • That somebody, at least one person, yeah, i felt that too.
  • 00:48:51.716 --> 00:48:56.755
  • But also provide some hope for wherever you are that if you
  • 00:48:56.755 --> 00:49:02.794
  • Take this step, god will answer you.
  • 00:49:02.794 --> 00:49:07.866
  • And it may be like me that day, it might be in that moment, but
  • 00:49:07.866 --> 00:49:12.937
  • The answer is gonna come.
  • 00:49:12.937 --> 00:49:15.173
  • And so i would want to first of all not feel alone.
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  • Somebody's been there before.
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  • And somebody's also learned that god has hope for you, and he's
  • 00:49:20.912 --> 00:49:25.083
  • Got some ways that can help you.
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  • Kirk: thank you so much.
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  • Henry: great to be with you.
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  • Kirk: after the break, we'll review today's takeaways.
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  • Kirk: what a conversation.
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  • I came in with questions for dr. cloud, but i think i ended up
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  • Getting a counseling session, and i'm not mad about it.
  • 00:49:52.078 --> 00:49:55.648
  • Dr. cloud has a way of making deep truths feel personal and
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  • Practical, which brings us to our first takeaway.
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  • Come as you are.
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  • Dr. cloud reminds us that ever since the garden of eden, we've
  • 00:50:05.458 --> 00:50:09.395
  • Been trying to dress ourselves up before approaching god.
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  • But here's the truth.
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  • You don't need to clean up first.
  • 00:50:14.834 --> 00:50:16.769
  • In fact, your efforts and mine to fix ourselves are actually
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  • Getting in the way.
  • 00:50:21.740 --> 00:50:23.609
  • Think of an experienced handyman who has to rip out all of your
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  • Amateur repairs before doing the real work.
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  • You see, the power of change is in our powerlessness and
  • 00:50:32.118 --> 00:50:36.689
  • Dependency and weakness, because that's where god steps in.
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  • What you're broken in and can't fix, that's his part, and you
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  • Gotta take it to him.
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  • Good science always validates scripture.
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  • Some say faith and psychology don't mix, but dr. cloud shows
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  • How they work hand in hand.
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  • The number-one antidote to fear is love.
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  • The bible says perfect love casts out fear, and research
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  • Confirms it.
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  • Modern trauma research also proves that when we face our
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  • Grief, instead of avoiding it, healing comes.
  • 00:51:12.591 --> 00:51:15.995
  • Avoiding pain through distractions only prolongs it.
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  • Good science discovers what god already designed.
  • 00:51:20.666 --> 00:51:24.637
  • It doesn't replace scripture, it simply validates it.
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  • Choose good pain over bad pain.
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  • Dr. cloud reminded us that there are two kinds of pain, the
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  • Temporary discomfort of growth, and the prolonged suffering that
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  • Comes from avoiding it.
  • 00:51:40.186 --> 00:51:42.288
  • Like a splinter that hurts for a second to remove but brings
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  • Lasting relief, good pain leads somewhere.
  • 00:51:46.692 --> 00:51:50.996
  • Bad pain is staying stuck.
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  • If you've been struggling with the same issue for years, dr.
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  • Cloud says the first step is to just recognize what i'm doing
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  • Isn't working, and that's where change can begin.
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  • So, whatever you're struggling with, those things are not
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  • Uncommon to mankind.
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  • Remember, somebody else has been there before, and there's hope
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  • Wherever you are.
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  • That's it for this episode of "takeaways," thanks
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  • For watching.
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  • You never miss an episode.
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