Jonathan McReynolds: Discovering Value in the Valley Experience | Takeaways with Kirk Cameron

June 2, 2025 | 53:25

Kirk Cameron is joined by Grammy award-winning singer and songwriter, Jonathan McReynolds, sharing his personal story of God’s work in his life and career.

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  • Kirk cameron: life is full of ups and downs.
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  • We work hard to climb the mountain of success.
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  • We're striving for excellence, and there's nothing wrong
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  • With that.
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  • Mountaintop accomplishments are to be enjoyed, but we don't want
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  • To miss the lessons of growth and strength offered in the
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  • Valley experiences, because god uses those times to draw us
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  • Closer to him and open our eyes to what is truly important.
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  • Our guest today, grammy award winning artist jonathan
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  • Mcreynolds, will share what he's learned from his mountaintop and
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  • Valley experiences that will encourage and inspire you.
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  • So let's get to it right now on "takeaways."
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  • Jonathan mcreynolds: we are so pressed as a culture to
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  • Constantly aim up.
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  • Remembering that god is your source.
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  • You can't eat on the mountain.
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  • There's not much up there.
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  • So you have to come back down to get your nourishment, to get
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  • Your identity back.
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  • [music]
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  • Kirk: my guest today is a grammy award winning artist,
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  • Songwriter, and producer.
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  • Jonathan mcreynolds has released five acclaimed albums and
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  • Authored two books while also serving as adjunct professor at
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  • Columbia college chicago.
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  • His latest book, "before you climb any higher," reminds us of
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  • How important it is to make room for god in the middle of all the
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  • Chaos and the busyness of life.
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  • Jonathan, thanks so much for meeting up with us
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  • On "takeaways."
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  • Jonathan: thanks for having me.
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  • Kirk: man, i'm so fascinated by your life, by your career, and
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  • Not only your ministry, but this book about mountaintop
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  • Experiences and how we all want them, but often they're
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  • Unsatisfying for a number of reasons, and we don't cope with
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  • Them well when we finally get there, and we fall.
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  • Jonathan: yeah, yeah.
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  • First of all, i'm an admirer of your life and all that you've
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  • Done, your work, all that you've produced and put out there
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  • For us.
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  • So, i appreciate you, and i thank you that you're interested
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  • In anything i have going on.
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  • Kirk: well, i am, absolutely.
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  • Thank you very much.
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  • That's very kind of you to say.
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  • Give us all a little bit of background on how you got
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  • Started in the gospel music industry.
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  • Jonathan: man, you know what?
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  • I talk about this in the book.
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  • It feels like god made me start this mountain he
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  • Started himself.
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  • I don't know that i was really looking for it.
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  • I guess i was doing the stuff that it would require, but i
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  • Never knew that my life would ever turn out like this.
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  • I was, you know, playing the organ, the drums in my church
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  • Ever since i was five years old, i was going to school for music,
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  • But i really didn't have a lot of commercial ambitions for the
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  • Music i was making.
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  • So i was in the dorm room in between classes, i was making
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  • Music, and somehow that music got out.
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  • One day i woke up to a whole bunch of missed calls, 'cause
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  • They had played my song on the radio.
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  • They invited me to a big church to sing, and that's kind of how
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  • It all began.
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  • Kirk: wow, that's always the best story, when people are
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  • Doing it just because they love it, not just as like a gimmick
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  • To try to make a career or something.
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  • I mean, everybody needs a career, but when you love it,
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  • And you're starting out in church, and you're doing that
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  • Kind of thing, i think everybody's already rooting
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  • For you.
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  • Jonathan: sometimes it's good to be a little, i don't wanna say
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  • Dumb, but innocent of all of it.
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  • You don't know the right things to do.
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  • You don't know the right formulas to plug in.
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  • You're just doing it your way, the way you feel it, the way you
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  • Thought of it, and that's really how my first album was.
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  • It was initially just a christmas gift.
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  • As a college student, i don't have enough money to buy actual
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  • Gifts for every aunt and uncle, so what i did was i burned a cd
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  • Of some of the music i was making in the dorm room, called
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  • It the very unofficial ep of jonathan mcreynolds.
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  • I made the first track like a thank you auntie betty for all
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  • Of the road trips to branson and disney world.
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  • I appreciate how you, blah-blah-blah-blah-blah, and
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  • Here are six songs, and that eventually became my first
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  • Release, my first unofficial release.
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  • Kirk: that's so cool.
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  • And it lends an authenticity to it that i think comes through in
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  • The music.
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  • Jonathan: thank you.
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  • Kirk: so what led you to write this book, "before you climb
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  • Any higher"?
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  • Jonathan: i don't know about you, but i have many times had a
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  • Personal discrepancy between great professional moments and
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  • Not so great personal moments.
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  • It seems like the seasons where i am doing so well and i have so
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  • Many things to post and so many likes and so many--so much
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  • Applause, and it's like--
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  • Kirk: everything's working professionally.
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  • Jonathan: everything's working, but for me, though, i feel
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  • Tired, i'm exhausted, i'm making stupid mistakes, i'm doing stuff
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  • That i'm not proud of, i'm sad, i'm grieving, i'm mourning, all
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  • This other stuff is happening, and so i think for me, not only
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  • Seeing that within myself, but seeing that honestly in culture.
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  • We see the greats all the time falling.
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  • We see the amazing people that we revere have so many struggles
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  • Once it comes out.
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  • And so i wanted to really try to rectify, reconcile rather, why
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  • Does it seem like the people who are high up on the mountain who
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  • Are having the success, why are they not actually having
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  • Soul success?
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  • Kirk: yeah.
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  • Jonathan: why doesn't peace exist up there?
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  • What's happening?
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  • Kirk: yeah, i know exactly what you're talking about, because
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  • Sometimes i think of people who work their whole lives to become
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  • A singer, or they work their whole lives to become an athlete
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  • And get into the nfl or the super bowl, or to become an
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  • Actor, and then you find later they like--i don't know what
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  • Led to it, but they fell, and they fell so hard.
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  • It's like they didn't just fall, it's like they dove, and they
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  • Either just lost it with substance abuse, or they
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  • Destroyed their marriage, or they committed suicide or some
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  • Tragic thing, and you think.
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  • Man, you had it.
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  • You had everything.
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  • Why weren't you happy and at peace?
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  • Jonathan: it's not even just singers and athletes.
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  • A lot of times it's pastors.
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  • A lot of times it's ministers, it's people you think that we
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  • Would be immune to all of that.
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  • You think that we would have just a vested protection from
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  • Ever being burned out or exhausted because everything we
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  • Do has jesus's name on it.
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  • But honestly, we are just as, you know, vulnerable to that
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  • Burnout as anybody else.
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  • Kirk: yeah, so, jonathan, give us just a little flavor of like,
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  • What was it like for you, your mountaintop experience?
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  • What was it about your musical career that would influence you
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  • To write this book?
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  • Jonathan: yeah, so i've never really had a mountain top
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  • Experience, because if you're a true climber, whenever you feel
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  • Like you're getting the top or something, you normally just
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  • Find something else to climb.
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  • And so it's a forever pursuit.
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  • I'm just always wanting to be better, more--get more awards,
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  • Get another movie, get another song, get another degree, get
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  • Another church, whatever it is, and so for me it was really i
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  • Was in a situation, i had done a huge tour, literally, christian
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  • Music's biggest tour up to that point.
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  • I was in a musical, i was thinking about maybe writing a
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  • Book, and i had another book in mind.
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  • I was thinking maybe i'll write something like this.
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  • All of this was happening at the same time i had some family
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  • Stuff going on that i was carrying, and i just realized
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  • That all of this trudging up the mountain that i was doing,
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  • I was--it was wreaking havoc on my body, my soul.
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  • I mean, every doctor i went to, it looks like stress.
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  • I mean, you'd be amazing--you'd be amazed how many
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  • Manifestations of stress that can happen in the body.
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  • It's just like your pinky toe hurts.
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  • Well, that's probably stress.
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  • Kirk: it's probably stress.
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  • Jonathan: and so it's just amazing how the work and the
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  • Upward progress that i had set myself on ever since i was a
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  • Little precocious kid when i was six years old, i was not giving
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  • Myself time to be anything else than a title earner, a degree
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  • Receiver, an accomplishment getter, and i had to realize
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  • That first and foremost, on my best day and on my worst day, i
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  • Was something else, a son of god, and i wasn't gonna find and
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  • Embrace that title while every day was on the mountain.
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  • Kirk: wow, this is so good for all of us, whether you're a
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  • Singer, whether you're an athlete, whether you're a pastor
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  • Or you're a parent, a student, a grandparent, anything, because
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  • We want our life to count for something.
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  • I wanna know who i am, i wanna know that my life is counting,
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  • And that i'm moving in the right direction.
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  • And we're always looking at the next big thing, the next big
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  • Accomplishment, you know?
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  • I'm 55 years old now, and i think, wow, you know, i've got
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  • Like--so much sand has gone through the hourglass in terms
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  • Of the time that i have left in life, and i think what is it
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  • That i wanna do next?
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  • But i love what you're saying is that we have--i mean, the truth
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  • Is i've got more than enough time, i've got eternity with the
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  • Lord in heaven, but while i'm here, i want to do as much good
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  • As possible, and i wanna be in the right mindset so that it's
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  • Not burnout, and i know your book is gonna help me and others
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  • With this.
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  • You say in your book, the mountain is part of life, but
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  • There's very little life on it.
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  • Jonathan: yeah.
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  • Kirk: what do you mean by that?
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  • Jonathan: okay, so now i'm from chicago.
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  • We don't have mountains or hills much at all.
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  • Kirk: okay.
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  • Jonathan: but when i got to la, and i started living in la, and
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  • You know about la, there's some elevation there.
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  • There's literally, you know, mountains and valleys, and what
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  • I realized, even if you look at like the rockies, you have this
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  • Big noble mountain, but as you slide up this mountain, you
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  • Realize, wait, i don't see any trees, i don't see any green,
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  • It's snowcapped, it's, you know, cold, thin air.
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  • Meanwhile, the valley, and i mean civilizations, ancient
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  • Civilizations, they always start in the valley, why?
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  • Because there was lushness there.
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  • There was grass, there was a river, there were bunny rabbits
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  • Hopping around.
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  • There were birds flying.
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  • All of this is so much life in the valley, and i think that we
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  • Are so pressed as a culture to constantly aim up, up, up, up,
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  • And i think that we haven't really been honest, even the
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  • People who are working so hard to be up there, they haven't
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  • Been honest about what's on that mountain.
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  • It's not just a lot of people applauding for you, but it's
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  • Cold, thin air, it's isolation, it's a lot of loneliness, and we
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  • Just haven't been honest.
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  • And so my goal in this book was to de-romanticize the mountain a
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  • Little bit and let people know that there is something for you.
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  • There is sonship, daughterhood for you, and that is not
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  • Something that you have to earn.
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  • That's something that you just have to embrace being given.
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  • Kirk: jonathan, this is so important, because so many of us
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  • Do romanticize or fantasize, whatever word you used, about
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  • A mountaintop experience.
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  • And could it be that the most important lessons and the
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  • Deepest lessons of the heart are learned way down in the valley,
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  • Which we think of as bad?
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  • But you're saying that's where the lush life is happening.
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  • Jonathan: absolutely.
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  • My goal is to flip this idea of mountain being good, valley
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  • Being bad, because honestly, most of my problems, most of the
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  • Heartache, the hurt, the injury, it happened on the mountain.
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  • It happened while scaling the mountain, and it's just how we
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  • Be honest about it.
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  • And i'll go farther into this metaphor as we talk, but it's
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  • Not even about your actual success, it's about how much
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  • You're consumed with the pursuit of success.
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  • That's what pushes you up the mountain.
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  • And you've seen some incredibly successful people who have
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  • Learned to be low and near the valley.
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  • We've also seen some people who maybe don't have all the
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  • External success but are so consumed by the pursuit of it,
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  • That they're somewhere up there in rarefied air.
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  • And so just whether you find yourself at the beginning of
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  • Your career, at the end of your career, it feels like you're at
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  • A peak of it, or you feel like you're at a valley of it, i'm
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  • Trying to let you guys know, let the world know that god has
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  • Something for you.
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  • If you just humble yourself, you might find even more success,
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  • Because you're now empowered as a son, not as a boss, king,
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  • Ceo, superstar.
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  • Kirk: man, i wanna talk with you more about this.
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  • After the break, jonathan will share how he discovered the
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  • Valuable lessons he learned on the way back down the mountain.
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  • Don't go away.
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  • [music]
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  • [music]
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  • [music]
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  • ♪ this is your world ♪
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  • ♪ i'm just living in it ♪
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  • ♪ i'm just walking through it ♪
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  • ♪ knowing that you're in it ♪
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  • Kirk: welcome back.
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  • We're learning about valley wisdom for mountain dreams with
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  • My guest jonathan mcreynolds.
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  • Jonathan, your book is reminding me of a camping trip that i took
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  • With my son, james, and we wanted to go backpacking out
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  • Into the ansel adams wilderness near yosemite, california, and
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  • We had such a great time because, well, first we had to
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  • Decide, are we gonna go down to the valley floor where most
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  • People go, and that's where the millions of people are, because
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  • You could see the waterfalls, you're down there with the
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  • Squirrels and the bears and everything else, or we're gonna
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  • Go up to where it looks like the moon?
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  • It's like scorched earth, nothing left, and you're just
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  • There with granite and like wolves.
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  • Jonathan: yeah.
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  • Kirk: but, you know, my son wanted to go to the top of the
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  • Mountain, and my daughter wanted to go down into the valley, and
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  • They're both beautiful, and there's both--they're both
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  • Great, and you were talking a little bit earlier about the
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  • Valley not being a bad thing but being a lush place of life where
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  • Lessons are learned.
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  • Can you expand a little bit more?
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  • What types of lessons can be learned in the valleys?
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  • Jonathan: sure, first of all, it's funny that your son wanted
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  • To go to the mountaintop, 'cause us guys, we have it really bad.
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  • We have this thing where we really feel like we have to
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  • Conquer, rah!
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  • You know what i'm saying?
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  • We gotta get to the top, and trust me, i am not advising
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  • Against climbing your mountain.
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  • God has given us all assignments, he's given us all
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  • Missions, he's given us careers, ministries, families to take
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  • Care of, climb that mountain.
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  • It's very important that we handle what we're supposed to
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  • Handle, and maybe that means climbing to the top of that
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  • Mountain, scorched-earth mountain, then let's do it,
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  • And god will give us strength.
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  • The problem is sometimes we are so afraid of coming back down to
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  • Just the normal valley where all the people--all the normal
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  • People are.
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  • Kirk: and it makes me-- i'm not special anymore.
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  • Jonathan: i'm not special anymore, you know?
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  • All those--that feeling that i had in childhood where i had to
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  • Accomplish so people would like me and value me.
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  • My mother seemed to enjoy when i did something well.
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  • So, let me keep doing things well.
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  • Let me keep going up the mountain, and we continue to
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  • Forsake this opportunity that your daughter saw, that there's
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  • Beautiful--there's a reason why there's more people down there.
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  • There's life, there is less concern about falling.
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  • There's less paranoia.
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  • There is--there's a freedom down there.
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  • There's a community down there.
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  • And i think that when we are only on the mountain identifying
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  • Ourselves as ceo and boss and king and queen and everything
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  • Else, have you looked at instagram bios lately?
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  • This is the generation of the multi-hyphenate.
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  • None of us do one thing.
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  • Yeah, i'm a singer, i'm an actor, i'm an author, i'm a,
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  • I don't know, trapeze artist.
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  • I don't know, i do all these things, you know what
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  • I'm saying?
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  • I'm the boss of this, and i founded this, and i thought
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  • About this.
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  • Rarely do you see son or daughter of god, because we
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  • Identify ourselves mostly as people who take care of stuff,
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  • And we forget that we are also being taken care of.
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  • In the valley, you remember that you are not just somebody on
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  • Assignment, but you're also god's assignment.
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  • He's taking care of you as ardently and even more
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  • Tenaciously than you're taking care of all the stuff on
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  • Your mountain.
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  • He's taking care of you, you are his son, you are his daughter,
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  • You have an opportunity to embrace that and take a load
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  • Off a little bit.
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  • His will is his bill, not yours, and there's so much that we can
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  • Do when we are stripped and freed of the responsibility, not
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  • Even the responsibility, because we have our responsibilities,
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  • But the pressure of constantly living on the mountain.
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  • Go to the mountain, but any real mountain climber knows he can't
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  • Really celebrate until he gets off of that mountain.
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  • Like there's only so much you can do on the top of
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  • Mount everest.
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  • You get up there, you plant the flag, you take a picture, and
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  • You try to get down so you can really get back with family
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  • And hug.
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  • And so it's not so much about lessons being learned in
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  • The valley.
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  • There are lessons that you're gonna learn, but it's really
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  • Identity that you pick up again.
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  • Oh, wait, i am not--the world is not revolving around me.
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  • Even though i'm responsible to steward what god has given me as
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  • Best as i can, still, i don't make the world go round.
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  • I'm gonna do the best that i can do as a ceo, as an entrepreneur,
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  • But god gives the increase.
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  • So i have to make sure i'm reminded that he's taking care
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  • Of things even better than i'm taking care of.
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  • Kirk: yeah, i mean, i think about the scriptures that say
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  • The lord is my shepherd, and he leads me besides quiet waters,
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  • And he makes me lay down in green pastures.
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  • Well, where are those?
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  • They're in the valley.
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  • Jonathan: not up there.
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  • Kirk: they're not up there.
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  • Jonathan: there's not a lot of green up there at all, yeah.
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  • Kirk: and that would make us not resent and be disgusted by being
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  • Laid low by our circumstances, because you're saying that's
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  • Where we can find rest, and we can reconnect with god.
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  • Talk a little bit about those two qualities, the importance of
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  • Resting and reconnecting.
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  • Jonathan: when you actually realize, okay, maybe there's
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  • Something for me in the valley, and you come back down to the
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  • Valley, you realize that god had--he had identity for you.
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  • Normally, we are climbing up that mountain so high, because
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  • We're looking to establish identity for ourselves when god
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  • Is trying to tell us in the valley there's already
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  • An identity for you.
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  • You're looking to acquire grammy-type identity or applause
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  • Identity, and god has given you son-type identity, and we just
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  • Never really rest in that.
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  • I don't have to, ah!
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  • Steer this ship with such a strong--no, he actually has
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  • This under control.
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  • He's finished the work, i'm living this thing out, and i am
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  • Just one of his sons within his agenda.
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  • Am i doing some great things and having some great feats and
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  • Getting to hang out with some of the greats in our industry?
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  • That's awesome.
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  • But ultimately, this is all a finished work.
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  • This is all something that i'm living out much more
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  • Than creating.
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  • Kirk: yeah, johnathan, let me ask you, you said a couple of
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  • Times that i'm a son of god or i'm a daughter.
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  • What's so great about that?
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  • I mean, someone who says like, well, okay, you're saying that's
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  • Better than than the grammy title or the king or the
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  • Boss title.
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  • I have a son title.
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  • What's so great about being a son?
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  • Jonathan: man, okay, so son comes with power, it comes with
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  • Position, it comes with--it comes with an idea that dad's
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  • Gonna take care of stuff.
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  • Like, do you remember just being a kid and just being like
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  • Are we there yet?
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  • I mean, there's so--i'm not the one that's driving this ship.
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  • It's like god, is this where you want me to get off?
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  • Okay, here we go.
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  • You know what i'm saying?
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  • There's just so--there's a different approach to life and
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  • The way you look at it when you realize you're the son and not
  • 00:21:12.128 --> 00:21:14.731
  • Just the son of like some regular guy, but the son of god,
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  • Like the one who's actually orchestrating all this in the
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  • First place, like you have a direct line, you have his blood,
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  • You have his dna, and you are embracing it, and you're living
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  • It out, man, that is a different type of power.
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  • That's a different type of comfort.
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  • I know that everything is gonna be all right, because my father
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  • Runs everything.
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  • Are you kidding me?
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  • We're in his house.
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  • And so, i think that, you know, there's so much beauty that can
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  • Come when you just remind yourself that you're a son.
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  • Kirk: yeah, that's right.
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  • That's right.
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  • I love that, and you know, the scriptures tell us that just
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  • Like jesus, you know, he is the son of god, but we're sons and
  • 00:21:55.371 --> 00:22:00.410
  • Daughters of god when we believe the gospel, and we get to
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  • Inherit all of that together with him for all of eternity.
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  • And i think, and all of his righteousness becomes ours and
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  • All of that glory and that kingdom, he invites us into it
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  • And to share all of it with him.
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  • So what does it really matter whether my--whether i have a
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  • Book or a movie or a trophy or a ribbon or a thing when i've got
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  • The goodness and the mercy and the glory of god
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  • To enjoy for eternity?
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  • Jonathan: this is icing on the cake.
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  • Kirk: yeah.
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  • Jonathan: that's all it is.
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  • It reminds me of this, and i just wanna say this, since you
  • 00:22:36.179 --> 00:22:38.114
  • Brought up jesus, we're talking about a jesus that is the son of
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  • God, and he--god was so pleased with him that he said, "this is
  • 00:22:41.017 --> 00:22:45.955
  • My son in whom i'm well pleased," and jesus hadn't
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  • Done anything.
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  • He hadn't done any of the miracles that we know him for.
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  • He hadn't died on the cross, he hadn't done anything yet but be.
  • 00:22:53.129 --> 00:22:59.502
  • So, could you imagine that if god can bestow that type of
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  • Pleasure in his son before his son even gets to the
  • 00:23:03.506 --> 00:23:08.244
  • Nitty-gritty of climbing his mountain, don't you think he'd
  • 00:23:08.244 --> 00:23:12.048
  • Do that for us too?
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  • Jonathan: man, this is a fascinating talk.
  • 00:23:13.449 --> 00:23:15.885
  • I can't wait to talk more, and when we come back, we'll talk
  • 00:23:15.885 --> 00:23:18.921
  • With jonathan more about the value of valley experience and
  • 00:23:18.921 --> 00:23:22.692
  • How god will use it to change our mindset, so stay with us.
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  • [music]
  • 00:23:26.896 --> 00:23:31.400
  • Kirk: welcome to a new segment of "takeaways" where we're
  • 00:23:35.571 --> 00:23:38.374
  • Putting a spotlight on breakthrough health discoveries
  • 00:23:38.374 --> 00:23:41.677
  • And hosting a very special friend of the tbn family who has
  • 00:23:41.677 --> 00:23:44.947
  • Come all the way from israel.
  • 00:23:44.947 --> 00:23:47.383
  • Joining me now is ilan sobel, the ceo of bioharvest sciences,
  • 00:23:47.383 --> 00:23:52.021
  • The makers of vinia, a red grape circulation superfood that is
  • 00:23:52.021 --> 00:23:56.659
  • The talk of the town here at tbn.
  • 00:23:56.659 --> 00:23:59.195
  • Ilan, thanks so much for joining us.
  • 00:23:59.195 --> 00:24:01.197
  • Ilan sobel: kirk, it's an absolute pleasure to be on the
  • 00:24:01.197 --> 00:24:03.065
  • Show today.
  • 00:24:03.065 --> 00:24:04.433
  • Kirk: well, i am so excited.
  • 00:24:04.433 --> 00:24:05.768
  • You know, if i wasn't an actor, i had always aspired to be a
  • 00:24:05.768 --> 00:24:09.005
  • Doctor, and i'm thrilled at the idea of technology harnessing
  • 00:24:09.005 --> 00:24:14.777
  • The magic and the treasures of creation and using it
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  • For health.
  • 00:24:19.382 --> 00:24:20.716
  • So talk to us about vinia.
  • 00:24:20.716 --> 00:24:22.084
  • What is it, and why is everyone so excited about it?
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  • Ilan: wow, vinia is probably the best manifestation of how
  • 00:24:25.054 --> 00:24:29.091
  • Scripture and science come together.
  • 00:24:29.091 --> 00:24:31.727
  • So let's go back to creation, if you don't mind for
  • 00:24:31.727 --> 00:24:34.597
  • A moment, kirk.
  • 00:24:34.597 --> 00:24:35.965
  • On day 3 of creation, god gave us 500,000 plants, and each of
  • 00:24:35.965 --> 00:24:41.370
  • Those plants are like treasures.
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  • Every plant has critical phytonutrients that are so
  • 00:24:44.073 --> 00:24:47.877
  • Important for our health and wellness.
  • 00:24:47.877 --> 00:24:49.845
  • We at bioharvest sciences have spent more than $100 million on
  • 00:24:49.845 --> 00:24:54.016
  • A technology that we call botanical synthesis, and we're
  • 00:24:54.016 --> 00:24:57.687
  • Able to understand exactly where inside the plant are the
  • 00:24:57.687 --> 00:25:00.423
  • Critical cells that produce those very important
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  • Phytonutrients for the human body.
  • 00:25:03.693 --> 00:25:06.062
  • So in the case of the red grape, we took cells from the red
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  • Grape, the critical cells that produce the
  • 00:25:09.832 --> 00:25:12.301
  • Important phytonutrients.
  • 00:25:12.301 --> 00:25:13.803
  • Inside a red grape are very important phytonutrients,
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  • Polyphenols, and we took those cells, and we grew those cells
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  • In specific petri dishes, like a science project back at school,
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  • With changing the food we feed the cells, we changed the
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  • Lighting, we changed the temperature and a number of
  • 00:25:29.418 --> 00:25:32.121
  • Other critical elements that are part of our ip black box,
  • 00:25:32.121 --> 00:25:36.058
  • And we get the cells to do two things.
  • 00:25:36.058 --> 00:25:37.860
  • One, we get the cells to produce the exact same phytonutrients as
  • 00:25:37.860 --> 00:25:41.464
  • The plant, we call this mirroring, and two, we magnified
  • 00:25:41.464 --> 00:25:44.734
  • The levels of the most important polyphenol, in this case it's
  • 00:25:44.734 --> 00:25:48.404
  • The piceid resveratrol.
  • 00:25:48.404 --> 00:25:49.805
  • So in the case of vinia, we magnified the piceid resveratrol
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  • 100 times.
  • 00:25:54.477 --> 00:25:56.078
  • Now, piceid resveratrol goes back to the french paradox, and
  • 00:25:56.078 --> 00:25:59.715
  • If you go back to the french paradox, you understand people
  • 00:25:59.715 --> 00:26:01.917
  • In france, they have amazing cardiovascular health, but they
  • 00:26:01.917 --> 00:26:05.821
  • Have a really fatty diet.
  • 00:26:05.821 --> 00:26:07.456
  • So when the scientists went to understand what was it that gave
  • 00:26:07.456 --> 00:26:10.359
  • Them the amazing diet, they realized it was moderate
  • 00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:12.695
  • Consumption of red wine, that's two to three glasses of red wine
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  • Every day.
  • 00:26:15.898 --> 00:26:17.266
  • And when they went in to understand what was inside the
  • 00:26:17.266 --> 00:26:18.801
  • Red wine, they realized it was the piceid resveratrol.
  • 00:26:18.801 --> 00:26:22.438
  • So what we did is we took these cells, we grow them in large
  • 00:26:22.438 --> 00:26:25.975
  • Scale bioreactors, in 18 to 20 days, the cells multiply, they
  • 00:26:25.975 --> 00:26:30.279
  • Produce the piceid resveratrol, we harvest the cells, and we're
  • 00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:34.116
  • Left with this amazing capsule which has the same amount of
  • 00:26:34.116 --> 00:26:37.720
  • Piceid resveratrol as 1,000 red grapes, pretty much what we have
  • 00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:41.624
  • Here in the glass container, and one bottle of red wine, of
  • 00:26:41.624 --> 00:26:45.561
  • Course, no sugar, no calories, no alcohol.
  • 00:26:45.561 --> 00:26:48.230
  • And as a science-based company, we conducted clinical trials,
  • 00:26:48.230 --> 00:26:53.769
  • And we were able to demonstrate that after taking one capsule of
  • 00:26:53.769 --> 00:26:57.039
  • Vinia every single day, we increased the dilation of your
  • 00:26:57.039 --> 00:27:01.177
  • Arteries significantly.
  • 00:27:01.177 --> 00:27:03.345
  • Now, as we understand, we have 60,000 miles of arteries,
  • 00:27:03.345 --> 00:27:08.184
  • Capillaries, and veins in our body, and it's critical that
  • 00:27:08.184 --> 00:27:11.721
  • Those 60,000 miles are operating like four-lane highways, because
  • 00:27:11.721 --> 00:27:16.325
  • Blood flow is so critical, and this is what vinia does.
  • 00:27:16.325 --> 00:27:19.028
  • Vinia increases blood flow significantly as a result of
  • 00:27:19.028 --> 00:27:22.765
  • That increase in arterial dilation.
  • 00:27:22.765 --> 00:27:25.434
  • Kirk: that's fantastic.
  • 00:27:25.434 --> 00:27:27.036
  • I love the metaphor there of a four-lane highway.
  • 00:27:27.036 --> 00:27:29.672
  • We don't want bumper-to-bumper traffic on a two-lane skinny,
  • 00:27:29.672 --> 00:27:32.908
  • Little country road.
  • 00:27:32.908 --> 00:27:34.243
  • Ilan: or a side road, you want that blood flow flowing, 'cause
  • 00:27:34.243 --> 00:27:36.979
  • More blood flow means more oxygen and nutrients being
  • 00:27:36.979 --> 00:27:40.683
  • Delivered to all your body tissue, cells, and organs, and
  • 00:27:40.683 --> 00:27:43.319
  • That's more physical energy and more mental alertness.
  • 00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:46.422
  • In today's world, who doesn't need more physical energy and
  • 00:27:46.422 --> 00:27:49.925
  • Mental alertness?
  • 00:27:49.925 --> 00:27:51.293
  • Kirk: that's right. that's right.
  • 00:27:51.293 --> 00:27:53.996
  • And i know that blood flow also affects the brain.
  • 00:27:53.996 --> 00:27:55.731
  • Talk to us about why so many people are struggling with brain
  • 00:27:55.731 --> 00:28:00.136
  • Fog, trouble focusing, and with mental alertness.
  • 00:28:00.136 --> 00:28:05.274
  • Ilan: so there was a recent nhi piece of research which
  • 00:28:05.274 --> 00:28:08.778
  • Demonstrated that roughly one in three americans are dealing with
  • 00:28:08.778 --> 00:28:11.447
  • The challenges of brain fog.
  • 00:28:11.447 --> 00:28:13.616
  • It's just not operating the way it should be.
  • 00:28:13.616 --> 00:28:16.452
  • And many people don't realize that one of the critical, you
  • 00:28:16.452 --> 00:28:19.421
  • Know, catalysts to solve that brain fog is related to blood
  • 00:28:19.421 --> 00:28:23.459
  • Flow, why?
  • 00:28:23.459 --> 00:28:25.261
  • Because if you think about it, our brain, it's 2% of the body
  • 00:28:25.261 --> 00:28:29.732
  • Mass of our body, but it utilizes 15% of our blood flow
  • 00:28:29.732 --> 00:28:36.005
  • And 20% of the body's oxygen.
  • 00:28:36.005 --> 00:28:39.508
  • And that's critical, because you need to have significant blood
  • 00:28:39.508 --> 00:28:43.245
  • Flow to the peripheral part of your brain in order to bring
  • 00:28:43.245 --> 00:28:46.882
  • Oxygen to the brain and remove cellular toxins.
  • 00:28:46.882 --> 00:28:51.086
  • And it's because of the lack of oxygen and the inability to
  • 00:28:51.086 --> 00:28:54.623
  • Remove enough of those cellular toxins that you have brain fog.
  • 00:28:54.623 --> 00:28:57.993
  • So you have to have that good blood flow inside the peripheral
  • 00:28:57.993 --> 00:29:02.031
  • Part of the brain with more oxygen and helping to remove
  • 00:29:02.031 --> 00:29:05.301
  • That cellular toxins and wastes.
  • 00:29:05.301 --> 00:29:08.237
  • Kirk: i'm continually amazed at god's design and how it works
  • 00:29:08.237 --> 00:29:11.774
  • And how important blood flow is for all of our different parts
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  • To be working properly.
  • 00:29:15.177 --> 00:29:16.912
  • You mentioned not only the importance of blood flow taking
  • 00:29:16.912 --> 00:29:20.282
  • Nutrients to our brain and other parts of the body, but there's
  • 00:29:20.282 --> 00:29:24.153
  • The other half of the equation, which is exporting that
  • 00:29:24.153 --> 00:29:26.989
  • Cellular waste.
  • 00:29:26.989 --> 00:29:28.324
  • All of the garbage has got to be gotten rid of.
  • 00:29:28.324 --> 00:29:31.060
  • Ilan: correct, so think about it, our body has billions of
  • 00:29:31.060 --> 00:29:33.762
  • Cells, and those cells, their role is to produce energy.
  • 00:29:33.762 --> 00:29:38.634
  • And it's like a factory.
  • 00:29:38.634 --> 00:29:40.002
  • You produce something, you have waste.
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  • So that waste has to be removed from the body.
  • 00:29:42.104 --> 00:29:45.608
  • So that's a critical role of the blood flow.
  • 00:29:45.608 --> 00:29:47.543
  • The blood flow is helping bring nutrients to the cells, the
  • 00:29:47.543 --> 00:29:50.145
  • Cells are producing oxygen, and then there's the removal
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  • Required of the cellular waste.
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  • And that's why the blood flow is so important to keep the cells
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  • Healthy by removing the cellular waste and taking it to the liver
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  • And kidneys to be excreted from our body.
  • 00:30:01.924 --> 00:30:04.994
  • The important thing, kirk, is that the average person on the
  • 00:30:04.994 --> 00:30:08.964
  • Street does not understand how important blood flow is to our
  • 00:30:08.964 --> 00:30:14.336
  • Bodies, and that it's the most critical part of our body's
  • 00:30:14.336 --> 00:30:18.741
  • Operating system.
  • 00:30:18.741 --> 00:30:20.376
  • And this is what really the power of what we've tried to do
  • 00:30:20.376 --> 00:30:23.078
  • At bioharvest sciences with vinia to really help educate
  • 00:30:23.078 --> 00:30:26.715
  • The consumer.
  • 00:30:26.715 --> 00:30:28.050
  • Kirk: wow, it's easy to see why so many people are excited about
  • 00:30:28.050 --> 00:30:31.720
  • Bioharvest sciences and vinia.
  • 00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:34.323
  • Taking care of the temple of our bodies isn't just good
  • 00:30:34.323 --> 00:30:36.992
  • Stewardship, it's also how we ensure we're ready to fulfill
  • 00:30:36.992 --> 00:30:41.397
  • His calling in our lives with our fullest potential.
  • 00:30:41.397 --> 00:30:44.833
  • If you want to learn more about how you can try vinia risk free
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  • For 90 days, please call the number on your screen or just
  • 00:30:48.537 --> 00:30:51.807
  • Visit viniatbn.com.
  • 00:30:51.807 --> 00:30:54.677
  • Also, i want you to know that a significant portion of your
  • 00:30:54.677 --> 00:30:57.546
  • Purchase of vinia goes directly to tbn to support the mission of
  • 00:30:57.546 --> 00:31:02.318
  • Spreading the gospel around the world.
  • 00:31:02.318 --> 00:31:04.119
  • We'll have more right here on "takeaways" after this.
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  • We'll have more right here on "takeaways" after this.
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  • [music]
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  • Kirk: we're back with jonathan mcreynolds.
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  • Jonathan, we're talking about your book, "before you climb any
  • 00:31:21.098 --> 00:31:23.467
  • Higher," and what do you mean when you say that the valley is
  • 00:31:23.467 --> 00:31:27.938
  • Not about finishing but about being?
  • 00:31:27.938 --> 00:31:31.141
  • Jonathan: we have a lot of energy that is pushed towards
  • 00:31:31.141 --> 00:31:34.545
  • Accomplishing and doing, expanding, either horizontally
  • 00:31:34.545 --> 00:31:38.582
  • Or vertically.
  • 00:31:38.582 --> 00:31:39.917
  • We're always trying to accomplish.
  • 00:31:39.917 --> 00:31:42.152
  • But when it comes to the valley and this idea of being just a
  • 00:31:42.152 --> 00:31:45.422
  • Son or daughter of god, that is when you just get to be.
  • 00:31:45.422 --> 00:31:49.193
  • That is when you just get to present yourself as who you are
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  • To your father that already knows who you are.
  • 00:31:54.131 --> 00:31:56.934
  • I think for me, and you tell me if you've ever had to deal with
  • 00:31:56.934 --> 00:32:01.138
  • This, the industries that we're in, they all require a little
  • 00:32:01.138 --> 00:32:05.909
  • Bit of a mask.
  • 00:32:05.909 --> 00:32:07.277
  • They require some enhancement.
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  • They really couldn't deal with us just as us.
  • 00:32:10.347 --> 00:32:13.550
  • Kirk: there's a lady back there trying to put some makeup on my
  • 00:32:13.550 --> 00:32:15.552
  • Face today, it's like--
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  • Jonathan: every two minutes, dabbing me up with a little
  • 00:32:17.755 --> 00:32:19.123
  • Extra, you know what i'm saying?
  • 00:32:19.123 --> 00:32:20.457
  • Because these cameras could not handle all of my actual flaws.
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  • Kirk: that's right.
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  • Jonathan: you know?
  • 00:32:25.496 --> 00:32:26.864
  • And so, but god can.
  • 00:32:26.864 --> 00:32:28.198
  • That's the point is that in each arena that we live in or
  • 00:32:28.198 --> 00:32:32.936
  • Actually work in, rather, there's a mask, there's an
  • 00:32:32.936 --> 00:32:35.939
  • Enhancement, there's a call for us to reach and be something
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  • Maybe a little different or whatever just to acquiesce with
  • 00:32:40.878 --> 00:32:44.882
  • That environment and be presentable.
  • 00:32:44.882 --> 00:32:47.051
  • You know, we have a--or i have a career where people are
  • 00:32:47.051 --> 00:32:51.121
  • Involved, and i have to present to them, and they have their
  • 00:32:51.121 --> 00:32:53.791
  • Different preferences and their different understandings of
  • 00:32:53.791 --> 00:32:55.993
  • Things, and i prided myself on walking into a room, being able
  • 00:32:55.993 --> 00:33:00.431
  • To read it, and be able to do and kind of change my
  • 00:33:00.431 --> 00:33:03.967
  • Presentation to adapt to the room.
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  • But when you are just in the valley, it's just like, god,
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  • Here i am.
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  • This is all i got.
  • 00:33:12.109 --> 00:33:13.477
  • Kirk: now, jonathan, what are some practical things you can do
  • 00:33:13.477 --> 00:33:15.379
  • To put yourself in the valley?
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  • Jonathan: cool, i'm gonna start with this.
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  • One, we all know about sacrifice.
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  • We sometimes sacrifice with our money.
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  • I've even, you know, there's even a term of sacrificing,
  • 00:33:25.122 --> 00:33:28.525
  • Giving god a sacrifice of praise.
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  • But how hard is it for us hustlers and workers and
  • 00:33:31.562 --> 00:33:35.966
  • Overachievers to give god a sacrifice of pause, just for
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  • One second?
  • 00:33:40.404 --> 00:33:41.738
  • First of all, just stop.
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  • Just--now, it doesn't mean, you know, forsake your job, it
  • 00:33:43.107 --> 00:33:46.276
  • Doesn't mean stop paying the bills, but just for a second,
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  • Maybe for an evening, for a weekend, could you just get that
  • 00:33:49.580 --> 00:33:53.217
  • Off your mind for one second and pause and just identify how this
  • 00:33:53.217 --> 00:33:59.223
  • Work and this ministry and this undertaking that you've had is
  • 00:33:59.223 --> 00:34:03.560
  • Now affecting you and the scars and the injuries that you have?
  • 00:34:03.560 --> 00:34:06.597
  • The first thing we have to do is pause.
  • 00:34:06.597 --> 00:34:08.632
  • Then we start to aim down.
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  • And i, in the book, i talk about it's kind of a, you know, right
  • 00:34:10.267 --> 00:34:15.005
  • Foot, left foot type method.
  • 00:34:15.005 --> 00:34:16.740
  • Just imagine coming down, right foot, less of me, left foot,
  • 00:34:16.740 --> 00:34:22.579
  • More of god.
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  • Right foot, less of me, left foot, more of god.
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  • Right foot, less of me.
  • 00:34:27.584 --> 00:34:30.053
  • I need to tell my ego, first of all, to shut up.
  • 00:34:30.053 --> 00:34:33.690
  • That is a very loud voice in our lives.
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  • It's the voice that says if you stop now, you're gonna
  • 00:34:36.426 --> 00:34:39.496
  • Lose progress.
  • 00:34:39.496 --> 00:34:40.898
  • That guy who's behind you, he's gonna get ahead of you
  • 00:34:40.898 --> 00:34:43.400
  • If you stop.
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  • You're gonna be late if you don't pray.
  • 00:34:44.768 --> 00:34:46.103
  • I remember my mother, she would stop me at the door every time
  • 00:34:46.103 --> 00:34:49.840
  • I'm running out, i'd be late trying to catch the school bus,
  • 00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:53.010
  • And she'd say, "hold on, pray."
  • 00:34:53.010 --> 00:34:55.112
  • I'm like, "ma, i'm about to-- i'm gonna be late."
  • 00:34:55.112 --> 00:34:58.448
  • She's like, "well, if praying makes you late, you're gonna be
  • 00:34:58.448 --> 00:35:02.186
  • Too early."
  • 00:35:02.186 --> 00:35:04.021
  • Kirk: that's a good mom.
  • 00:35:04.021 --> 00:35:05.389
  • Jonathan: and yeah, so, and so at the end of the day, you know,
  • 00:35:05.389 --> 00:35:08.058
  • We have to, first of all, tell the ego--and this is the less
  • 00:35:08.058 --> 00:35:11.695
  • Of me part--hey, shut up.
  • 00:35:11.695 --> 00:35:14.464
  • And you have to sometimes hit it with some actual truth.
  • 00:35:14.464 --> 00:35:17.467
  • It's not to make you look at yourself as less, but it's to
  • 00:35:17.467 --> 00:35:22.172
  • Take a little pressure off of yourself and shut that ego up.
  • 00:35:22.172 --> 00:35:26.677
  • Then you move to more of god.
  • 00:35:26.677 --> 00:35:28.979
  • What i've enjoyed doing and, you know, this might be my little
  • 00:35:28.979 --> 00:35:32.549
  • Artsy way of doing things, i like scrapbooking, because i do
  • 00:35:32.549 --> 00:35:36.954
  • So many cool things, things that, you know, others would
  • 00:35:36.954 --> 00:35:40.657
  • Deem cool.
  • 00:35:40.657 --> 00:35:41.992
  • I get to hang out with you, i get to travel here, and i get to
  • 00:35:41.992 --> 00:35:44.561
  • Do that, and you just move so fast that you don't realize what
  • 00:35:44.561 --> 00:35:49.299
  • God has been doing.
  • 00:35:49.299 --> 00:35:50.634
  • Like you just--so what i say in the book is the first thing is
  • 00:35:50.634 --> 00:35:54.171
  • Let's review god's history.
  • 00:35:54.171 --> 00:35:56.106
  • Let's just for a second just realize--
  • 00:35:56.106 --> 00:35:58.342
  • Kirk: there's so many highlight reels, and we need to
  • 00:35:58.342 --> 00:36:00.244
  • Watch them.
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  • Jonathan: watch them.
  • 00:36:01.612 --> 00:36:02.946
  • Don't just post them, watch them.
  • 00:36:02.946 --> 00:36:04.481
  • You know, really go through your photo album and see like there's
  • 00:36:04.481 --> 00:36:09.052
  • A moment when you didn't think you were gonna get past that.
  • 00:36:09.052 --> 00:36:12.789
  • You don't know--you thought that they were gonna hate that
  • 00:36:12.789 --> 00:36:15.325
  • Presentation, they were gonna hate that song.
  • 00:36:15.325 --> 00:36:17.060
  • You didn't know how you're gonna walk into this environment
  • 00:36:17.060 --> 00:36:20.330
  • And escape.
  • 00:36:20.330 --> 00:36:21.698
  • And not only did you escape, you thrived.
  • 00:36:21.698 --> 00:36:24.201
  • God was with you in all these moments.
  • 00:36:24.201 --> 00:36:26.570
  • When you didn't think that you were gonna even be able to have
  • 00:36:26.570 --> 00:36:29.206
  • A child and now you have four of them.
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  • Look at where god has brought you from.
  • 00:36:31.908 --> 00:36:34.544
  • So, and i, you know, i have a few more steps in there that
  • 00:36:34.544 --> 00:36:38.515
  • Adds to the less of me and more of god step down.
  • 00:36:38.515 --> 00:36:41.718
  • But as you continue to take those steps down, you'll find
  • 00:36:41.718 --> 00:36:44.888
  • Yourself in a place where you don't need or even want to
  • 00:36:44.888 --> 00:36:48.158
  • Identify as just the boss and the worker and the graduate.
  • 00:36:48.158 --> 00:36:53.697
  • You wanna just lay in god's arms and be like, god, thank you.
  • 00:36:53.697 --> 00:36:58.635
  • Pops, i love you.
  • 00:36:58.635 --> 00:37:00.170
  • Kirk: man, gratitude is the key.
  • 00:37:00.170 --> 00:37:03.106
  • Gratitude, someone once said, they said that--see if you like
  • 00:37:03.106 --> 00:37:05.742
  • This--they said gratitude is the attitude that determines
  • 00:37:05.742 --> 00:37:08.779
  • The altitude for your living.
  • 00:37:08.779 --> 00:37:11.615
  • And man, gratitude is so important, but you learn
  • 00:37:11.615 --> 00:37:15.218
  • To be grateful often down in the valley.
  • 00:37:15.218 --> 00:37:16.853
  • Jonathan: i love that.
  • 00:37:16.853 --> 00:37:18.188
  • I really love that, because, yeah, it's on the mountain.
  • 00:37:18.188 --> 00:37:22.459
  • This is how i think of it.
  • 00:37:22.459 --> 00:37:24.161
  • On the mountain, all of my prayers were so mountainy,
  • 00:37:24.161 --> 00:37:28.832
  • You know?
  • 00:37:28.832 --> 00:37:30.200
  • Because all i was concerned about was career and, you know,
  • 00:37:30.200 --> 00:37:33.303
  • Presenting myself in a good fashion.
  • 00:37:33.303 --> 00:37:35.405
  • Now, it was all noble, i guess.
  • 00:37:35.405 --> 00:37:37.007
  • You know, i wasn't going out for just greed and fame or anything,
  • 00:37:37.007 --> 00:37:41.878
  • I was just trying to represent myself well, even in the most
  • 00:37:41.878 --> 00:37:44.715
  • Noble way.
  • 00:37:44.715 --> 00:37:46.083
  • I just wanna graduate.
  • 00:37:46.083 --> 00:37:47.417
  • I just wanna do something good on the earth.
  • 00:37:47.417 --> 00:37:49.419
  • Still, all of my prayers were based towards that.
  • 00:37:49.419 --> 00:37:53.423
  • So now i'm only looking at god through this little tunnel
  • 00:37:53.423 --> 00:37:56.426
  • Vision, and i only see your blessings when it's in
  • 00:37:56.426 --> 00:37:58.929
  • This realm.
  • 00:37:58.929 --> 00:38:00.263
  • I'm not even seeing what you're doing over here.
  • 00:38:00.263 --> 00:38:02.232
  • I'm not seeing how you're protecting me over here.
  • 00:38:02.232 --> 00:38:04.434
  • I'm not seeing how you're providing for me over here.
  • 00:38:04.434 --> 00:38:07.170
  • Everything has to be in this little lens that i'm praying
  • 00:38:07.170 --> 00:38:09.940
  • For, and i just believe that when you come down to the valley
  • 00:38:09.940 --> 00:38:14.277
  • And you start opening--instead of being so tunnel visioned on
  • 00:38:14.277 --> 00:38:18.215
  • The next step up, you get to open yourself to this wide
  • 00:38:18.215 --> 00:38:21.818
  • Valley and be like, oh my goodness, god, i did stub my
  • 00:38:21.818 --> 00:38:27.357
  • Toe, but the rest of my body is fine.
  • 00:38:27.357 --> 00:38:30.460
  • Thank you.
  • 00:38:30.460 --> 00:38:31.795
  • Like, i didn't get this car that maybe i wanted, i didn't get
  • 00:38:31.795 --> 00:38:34.564
  • This promotion that maybe i was hoping for, oh my goodness, like
  • 00:38:34.564 --> 00:38:38.702
  • You've kept me this whole time.
  • 00:38:38.702 --> 00:38:41.138
  • And once you start to widen that view, oh wait, god has been
  • 00:38:41.138 --> 00:38:45.108
  • Doing a lot of stuff around you and for you, and that valley
  • 00:38:45.108 --> 00:38:49.379
  • Gives you an opportunity to widen that scope and see what
  • 00:38:49.379 --> 00:38:52.549
  • He's been doing.
  • 00:38:52.549 --> 00:38:53.884
  • Kirk: man, that's so important, because it's when we pause and
  • 00:38:53.884 --> 00:38:56.853
  • We think about those kinds of things, i know for me that's
  • 00:38:56.853 --> 00:38:59.656
  • Where i've learned the most important lessons of my life.
  • 00:38:59.656 --> 00:39:02.092
  • All the lessons that have kept my marriage on track and have
  • 00:39:02.092 --> 00:39:06.196
  • Helped me to be a good father have not been when i'm way up
  • 00:39:06.196 --> 00:39:10.033
  • Flying high, it's when i'm laid down low and i'm in prayer and
  • 00:39:10.033 --> 00:39:14.738
  • I'm just crying out to god.
  • 00:39:14.738 --> 00:39:16.373
  • Yeah, it's the best.
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  • We have so much more to talk to, and i want to talk more about
  • 00:39:18.074 --> 00:39:20.177
  • Those, the right foot, left foot, stepping down the
  • 00:39:20.177 --> 00:39:22.446
  • Mountain, how we get into the valley in a healthy way.
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  • How do you apply what god shows you during times of rest and
  • 00:39:25.449 --> 00:39:29.886
  • Reflection and not repeat the same cycles of burnout moving
  • 00:39:29.886 --> 00:39:33.723
  • Forward to the next goal?
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  • We're gonna talk more about this right after the break.
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  • Kirk: jonathan mcreynolds has stayed with us to discuss the
  • 00:39:51.444 --> 00:39:54.547
  • Life-changing mindsets that he has learned in his latest book,
  • 00:39:54.547 --> 00:39:58.351
  • "before you climb any higher."
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  • Now, jonathan, share with us some strategies for how we can
  • 00:40:00.186 --> 00:40:05.692
  • Stay anchored in the valley.
  • 00:40:05.692 --> 00:40:07.627
  • Jonathan: what i love about what you just said about gratitude
  • 00:40:07.627 --> 00:40:10.930
  • Being the attitude that determines your altitude, to me,
  • 00:40:10.930 --> 00:40:15.602
  • In my valley/mountain, you know, mindset right now, it reminds me
  • 00:40:15.602 --> 00:40:21.641
  • That what we garner and what we gather down in the valley, how
  • 00:40:21.641 --> 00:40:25.478
  • We eat in the valley, like how the fat buildups, the everything
  • 00:40:25.478 --> 00:40:29.749
  • That we--the proteins that we consume that build us as people,
  • 00:40:29.749 --> 00:40:35.989
  • I think that when it comes to the idea of just being anchored
  • 00:40:35.989 --> 00:40:42.896
  • To the valley, it's knowing how to get up and down quickly.
  • 00:40:42.896 --> 00:40:49.402
  • You know, it's knowing how to leave set and get back
  • 00:40:49.402 --> 00:40:53.540
  • Home quickly.
  • 00:40:53.540 --> 00:40:55.241
  • It's knowing how to in the concert, be like, thank you guys
  • 00:40:55.241 --> 00:40:58.978
  • So much for coming out, i love you, and you know that you're
  • 00:40:58.978 --> 00:41:01.681
  • Vulnerable, your adrenaline is up, and all this other stuff.
  • 00:41:01.681 --> 00:41:05.585
  • How quickly can you get back to lord, i thank you?
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  • Kirk: yeah.
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  • Jonathan: wow, wow, god, you know?
  • 00:41:11.991 --> 00:41:13.426
  • Maybe i've done that before, maybe i've never done that
  • 00:41:13.426 --> 00:41:15.562
  • Before, maybe i've done bigger things before, but god,
  • 00:41:15.562 --> 00:41:18.264
  • Thank you.
  • 00:41:18.264 --> 00:41:19.632
  • That was really cool.
  • 00:41:19.632 --> 00:41:20.967
  • I thank you that you keep trusting me with this stuff.
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  • I thank you that you have confidence in me.
  • 00:41:23.202 --> 00:41:25.772
  • As we become more mature in our sonship, we get all of these
  • 00:41:25.772 --> 00:41:30.443
  • New, exciting assignments and places where god is trusting us,
  • 00:41:30.443 --> 00:41:37.150
  • Platforms where he trusts us.
  • 00:41:37.150 --> 00:41:38.918
  • Thank you for that.
  • 00:41:38.918 --> 00:41:40.253
  • And let me just come back down to just being your son who is in
  • 00:41:40.253 --> 00:41:44.791
  • Awe of what you keep doing and that you keep somehow including
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  • In your plan.
  • 00:41:48.361 --> 00:41:49.729
  • It's a mindset.
  • 00:41:49.729 --> 00:41:51.064
  • It's not always a physical place.
  • 00:41:51.064 --> 00:41:52.899
  • Now, i do have a power rangers toy on my tour bus to remind me
  • 00:41:52.899 --> 00:41:58.605
  • To be a kid.
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  • I don't play with it necessarily, but just seeing the
  • 00:42:00.006 --> 00:42:02.342
  • Red ranger up there, it makes me just, okay, all right.
  • 00:42:02.342 --> 00:42:06.879
  • I know that you're great out there, but in here, all i need
  • 00:42:06.879 --> 00:42:10.516
  • You to do is be good.
  • 00:42:10.516 --> 00:42:12.118
  • And i think that, you know, being anchored and coming down
  • 00:42:12.118 --> 00:42:16.889
  • As often as you can, remembering that god is your source, you
  • 00:42:16.889 --> 00:42:21.928
  • Can't eat on the mountain, there's not much up there, so
  • 00:42:21.928 --> 00:42:24.764
  • You have to come back down to get your nourishing, to get your
  • 00:42:24.764 --> 00:42:28.534
  • Identity back before it sails away in the air.
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  • Kirk: you're making me think of jesus.
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  • He was--he preached the sermon on the mount.
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  • He often would go up on a mountain, and he would--yeah,
  • 00:42:37.043 --> 00:42:39.979
  • And then he would come back down and he would, again, he said, "i
  • 00:42:39.979 --> 00:42:44.050
  • Didn't--the son of man did not come to be served but to serve."
  • 00:42:44.050 --> 00:42:47.120
  • He came down the mountain, and he'd serve people.
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  • He would literally feed people, he would heal the sick, he would
  • 00:42:48.921 --> 00:42:52.458
  • Raise the dead, or he'd go out into the wilderness all by
  • 00:42:52.458 --> 00:42:55.094
  • Himself as the son and just pray to his father.
  • 00:42:55.094 --> 00:42:58.231
  • And, you know, he--or he was on his knees, and he wept, or he
  • 00:42:58.231 --> 00:43:03.069
  • Sweat great drops of blood, because he knew that, man, think
  • 00:43:03.069 --> 00:43:08.107
  • About this, the greatest mountain he had to climb was to
  • 00:43:08.107 --> 00:43:13.079
  • Actually go do the father's will and go up to mount golgotha and
  • 00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:17.183
  • Go hang on that cross.
  • 00:43:17.183 --> 00:43:19.285
  • And it was like everything that led up to that, i think, seemed
  • 00:43:19.285 --> 00:43:24.557
  • Like they were in those valleys where he was with the father
  • 00:43:24.557 --> 00:43:27.794
  • Serving other people, laying down his life so that he could
  • 00:43:27.794 --> 00:43:32.699
  • Actually do the most important thing that he came to do.
  • 00:43:32.699 --> 00:43:36.235
  • Jonathan: it makes me think of this, the big prayer in the
  • 00:43:36.235 --> 00:43:39.272
  • Garden, you know, it's kind of like, i don't know if that,
  • 00:43:39.272 --> 00:43:44.010
  • Lord, let this cup pass for me version of jesus, i don't know
  • 00:43:44.010 --> 00:43:48.548
  • How the apostles would have dealt with that, how
  • 00:43:48.548 --> 00:43:51.284
  • The disciples would have dealt with that.
  • 00:43:51.284 --> 00:43:53.119
  • I think even going, you know, retreating and kind of going a
  • 00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:58.491
  • Stone's throw away from him to actually have this prayer with
  • 00:43:58.491 --> 00:44:01.861
  • His father, that wasn't necessarily the most, i guess
  • 00:44:01.861 --> 00:44:08.668
  • From a human's eyes, the most marketable version.
  • 00:44:08.668 --> 00:44:12.371
  • That's not--that wasn't the strongest version, that wasn't
  • 00:44:12.371 --> 00:44:14.874
  • The most heroic version.
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  • Kirk: most braveheart, gladiator prayer.
  • 00:44:19.479 --> 00:44:20.813
  • Jonathan: yeah, that wasn't the chuck norris version.
  • 00:44:20.813 --> 00:44:24.250
  • Kirk: i hear what you're saying, yeah.
  • 00:44:24.250 --> 00:44:25.585
  • Jonathan: you know, that was the vulnerable.
  • 00:44:25.585 --> 00:44:29.255
  • That was the like, god, do i have to do this?
  • 00:44:29.255 --> 00:44:31.657
  • Could you do something else?
  • 00:44:31.657 --> 00:44:32.992
  • Is there another way?
  • 00:44:32.992 --> 00:44:34.360
  • Is there a plan b? is there something?
  • 00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:35.695
  • And then, yeah, when it's all over, okay, but let your will
  • 00:44:35.695 --> 00:44:38.931
  • Be done.
  • 00:44:38.931 --> 00:44:40.266
  • Sure, not my will but yours be done, but i think that an
  • 00:44:40.266 --> 00:44:43.436
  • Opportunity to go a stone's throw away to retreat, even as
  • 00:44:43.436 --> 00:44:48.541
  • The father, even as the head of the household, the head of the
  • 00:44:48.541 --> 00:44:51.611
  • Company, sometimes you have to get away from the people that
  • 00:44:51.611 --> 00:44:55.014
  • Even you--you're over, your own staff, your own kids, and you
  • 00:44:55.014 --> 00:44:59.485
  • Have to retreat and go to a place where now you are not the
  • 00:44:59.485 --> 00:45:03.389
  • Authority figure, and you can now embrace that there is a big
  • 00:45:03.389 --> 00:45:08.194
  • Authority that loves you.
  • 00:45:08.194 --> 00:45:09.729
  • Kirk: you know, jonathan, that's actually how i came to the lord
  • 00:45:09.729 --> 00:45:12.031
  • As an atheist when i was on a tv show called "growing pains,"
  • 00:45:12.031 --> 00:45:15.301
  • Probably before you were even born.
  • 00:45:15.301 --> 00:45:16.669
  • But ask your mom, she'll tell you all about it.
  • 00:45:16.669 --> 00:45:18.371
  • Jonathan: i was there. i saw it.
  • 00:45:18.371 --> 00:45:21.207
  • Kirk: and it was like a mountaintop kind of experience,
  • 00:45:21.207 --> 00:45:23.176
  • But i didn't believe in god, and when someone told me that i
  • 00:45:23.176 --> 00:45:27.180
  • Ought to pray to god and reminded me that i needed
  • 00:45:27.180 --> 00:45:30.783
  • Humility and faith, he was reminding me that i was not
  • 00:45:30.783 --> 00:45:38.024
  • Gonna be the celebrity in that relationship between me and god.
  • 00:45:38.024 --> 00:45:43.362
  • I needed to humble myself and come way down low, because
  • 00:45:43.362 --> 00:45:47.066
  • Somebody else made the mountain, and that was the one that i was
  • 00:45:47.066 --> 00:45:50.136
  • Talking to, and that shifted my whole perspective.
  • 00:45:50.136 --> 00:45:52.238
  • All of a sudden i felt like i was a big man on campus at
  • 00:45:52.238 --> 00:45:54.740
  • Warner brothers, in, you know, in my career at 17 years old,
  • 00:45:54.740 --> 00:45:58.978
  • But really, i was--i felt like about as big as a grain of sand
  • 00:45:58.978 --> 00:46:03.382
  • Compared to the god who created the universe, right?
  • 00:46:03.382 --> 00:46:05.551
  • Jonathan: yeah, i love that.
  • 00:46:05.551 --> 00:46:06.919
  • Kirk: but that was what i needed to actually like sync up
  • 00:46:06.919 --> 00:46:11.557
  • With reality.
  • 00:46:11.557 --> 00:46:12.892
  • Jonathan: yeah, you know, i was--you know, i tell people
  • 00:46:12.892 --> 00:46:15.695
  • This often that, you know, there was a time, particularly when,
  • 00:46:15.695 --> 00:46:19.532
  • You know, my beginning years of career that i started going
  • 00:46:19.532 --> 00:46:22.702
  • Through the bible, and i was looking for a special book.
  • 00:46:22.702 --> 00:46:25.805
  • I feel like we deserved a book on just--a book just for vips,
  • 00:46:25.805 --> 00:46:31.244
  • A book just for public figures, a book just for people that have
  • 00:46:31.244 --> 00:46:34.747
  • A million followers on instagram.
  • 00:46:34.747 --> 00:46:37.583
  • There should be a scripture or ten chapters just for
  • 00:46:37.583 --> 00:46:43.890
  • The celebrities.
  • 00:46:43.890 --> 00:46:45.424
  • And why isn't there?
  • 00:46:45.424 --> 00:46:46.759
  • There isn't even one just for the ceos.
  • 00:46:46.759 --> 00:46:49.495
  • There isn't just a nice, wonderful book.
  • 00:46:49.495 --> 00:46:52.832
  • Okay, paul wrote to galatia, he wrote to thessalonica, he wrote
  • 00:46:52.832 --> 00:46:57.970
  • To everybody.
  • 00:46:57.970 --> 00:46:59.338
  • Why didn't he write one to the c-suite?
  • 00:46:59.338 --> 00:47:02.008
  • Why didn't he write one just to the directors and the producers?
  • 00:47:02.008 --> 00:47:06.245
  • It's amazing why--how there isn't a special scripture just
  • 00:47:06.245 --> 00:47:09.916
  • For those.
  • 00:47:09.916 --> 00:47:11.250
  • Every promise, every blessing, everything he has to say is to
  • 00:47:11.250 --> 00:47:15.388
  • The kid.
  • 00:47:15.388 --> 00:47:16.756
  • And so if you don't embrace the idea that you are a child of
  • 00:47:16.756 --> 00:47:20.359
  • God, then you miss all of what he's had to say.
  • 00:47:20.359 --> 00:47:24.096
  • If you come to the bible as just the boss and the dad, then you
  • 00:47:24.096 --> 00:47:29.101
  • Might miss out on so many promises, so many blessings, so
  • 00:47:29.101 --> 00:47:32.705
  • Much teaching, so much guidance, and that is what, again, i'm
  • 00:47:32.705 --> 00:47:38.177
  • Trying to encourage myself first, but also my generation,
  • 00:47:38.177 --> 00:47:42.415
  • My friends, hey, i understand that you're great, you're
  • 00:47:42.415 --> 00:47:45.718
  • Multi-hyphenate, you're amazing, you are probably the king of
  • 00:47:45.718 --> 00:47:49.455
  • Warner, you are, you know, you're doing your thing.
  • 00:47:49.455 --> 00:47:53.359
  • Kirk: of whatever kingdom.
  • 00:47:53.359 --> 00:47:54.994
  • Jonathan: yeah, but you're gonna miss out on a lot of
  • 00:47:54.994 --> 00:47:57.530
  • Relationship, a lot of love, a lot of peace, clarity, guidance,
  • 00:47:57.530 --> 00:48:01.634
  • A lot of patience and virtue, because you're not coming to
  • 00:48:01.634 --> 00:48:08.407
  • Life as a son.
  • 00:48:08.407 --> 00:48:10.209
  • You're not entering your day and approaching it as a son or
  • 00:48:10.209 --> 00:48:13.746
  • Daughter of god.
  • 00:48:13.746 --> 00:48:16.449
  • Kirk: what's the main thing you hope people get from reading
  • 00:48:16.449 --> 00:48:19.385
  • Your book, "before you climb any higher?"
  • 00:48:19.385 --> 00:48:21.520
  • Jonathan: i think i said it earlier, because a lot of us
  • 00:48:21.520 --> 00:48:26.058
  • Don't have--we have noble reasons for being up on
  • 00:48:26.058 --> 00:48:29.662
  • This mountain.
  • 00:48:29.662 --> 00:48:31.030
  • We feel like they're noble.
  • 00:48:31.030 --> 00:48:32.365
  • They're good, heroic reasons.
  • 00:48:32.365 --> 00:48:33.833
  • They're not bad reasons.
  • 00:48:33.833 --> 00:48:35.234
  • Most of us aren't ultra-greedy.
  • 00:48:35.234 --> 00:48:37.703
  • Most of us aren't trying to be somebody's dictator.
  • 00:48:37.703 --> 00:48:43.576
  • Most of us are being pushed up this mountain, because we're
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  • Just trying to stay above reproach.
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  • We're just trying to escape the mediocrity.
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  • We're just trying to make sure that we always stay valuable to
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  • The people that we love.
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  • I just wanna remind you that you are not primarily somebody that
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  • Takes care of stuff.
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  • You are primarily somebody that is being taken care of.
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  • There is a god, there's a father that is taking care of you, and
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  • I know that you feel sometimes that you are flying high, but
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  • It's probably because he just tossed you up there.
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  • Please know that it is not just you responsible for you.
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  • There's somebody else that has your back, has your front, and
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  • Has your sides, that's your dad in heaven.
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  • Kirk: that's so good. thank you, man.
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  • Thank you for all the time that you spent with us tonight.
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  • Jonathan: oh, no, i'm honored. this is awesome.
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  • Kirk: yeah, this is awesome. thank you.
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  • After the break, we'll review today's takeaways.
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  • Kirk: i really enjoyed our time with jonathan mcreynolds talking
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  • About what god has for us in the mountains and valleys of life.
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  • There were so many takeaways.
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  • Here's just a few.
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  • Don't romanticize the mountain.
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  • Didn't you love how jonathan positioned this?
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  • So many of us fall in love with our achievements, successes,
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  • And significance.
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  • And god did make us to work, he's given us mountains to
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  • Climb, but the mountain isn't the prize, people are, god is.
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  • Which occupies more of your thoughts and your time?
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  • Dreams about becoming the boss, king, queen, ceo, champ,
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  • Number one?
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  • Or gratitude for being chosen as a son or daughter of god with an
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  • Opportunity to serve others?
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  • Like jonathan reminded us, the air is thin at the top of the
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  • Mountain, and we're not supposed to stay there.
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  • Ground yourself in the valley.
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  • At first, this can seem counterintuitive, because we
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  • Want the mountain top, we want the thrill and adventure that
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  • Movies are made of, but once jonathan described what the lord
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  • Offers us in the valleys, it flipped the script, didn't it?
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  • The valley humbles us.
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  • It reminds us that the world doesn't revolve around us and
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  • That god doesn't require another ceo, boss, king from you or me.
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  • What matters most is being a child of the king of kings and
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  • Everyday opportunities to represent him well to others.
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  • The valley is also a place where we find authentic community and
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  • We celebrate what god has done on and off the mountain.
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  • It's a place of nourishment, refreshment, and rest, and it's
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  • Where we receive our next assignment for the new god-sized
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  • Mountain he wants us to climb.
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  • Less of me, more of god.
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  • When we better see the significance of the mountains
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  • And the valleys, it's also important to know how to get
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  • From one to the other.
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  • Jonathan used a climbing metaphor, left hand, right hand,
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  • Left foot, right foot, more of god, less of me.
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  • He must increase, i must decrease.
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  • That's our strategy as the family of faith, and it brings
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  • Our mountain-sized egos back down to earth, reminding us of
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  • Who we are and why we're here.
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  • This should lead us to say, lord, i thank you.
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  • This is the mindset that jonathan said will anchor us in
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  • The life-giving valley, so get back home to the valley of
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  • Gratitude as often as possible.
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  • That's all for this episode of "takeaways."
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  • Thanks for watching, and if you've enjoyed the show, don't
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  • Forget to set your dvr to never miss an episode.
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  • And of course, you can always catch up on past episodes by
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  • Searching for "takeaways" on tbn+ or by visiting the kirk
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  • Cameron on tbn youtube channel.
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  • We'll see you here next time for more great conversations.
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