Ken D. Berry & W. Lee Warren: Practicing Healthy Habits for the Body and Mind | Takeaways with Kirk Cameron

March 16, 2026 | 53:25

Kirk Cameron is joined by doctors Ken D. Berry and W. Lee Warren discussing biblical ways to better control our thought patterns of the mind and ways to improve physical health.

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Takeaways with Kirk Cameron | Ken D. Berry & W. Lee Warren: Practicing Healthy Habits for the Body and Mind | Takeaways with Kirk Cameron | March 16, 2026

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Kirk cameron: have you heard of these
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Little health bits of wisdom?
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You should drink at least eight glasses of water a day.
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Eating at night makes you fat.
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Swallowed chewing gum stays in your gut for years.
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Popping your knuckles will lead to arthritis.
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And then there's this popular one, you should wait an hour
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After eating before you swim.
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Did you know there is no scientific legitimate research
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To back up any of these claims?
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You might be surprised at how much the medical and health
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Industry tells us that might not be the accurate information we
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Need to hear.
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Today our guests, dr. ken berry and dr. lee warren, will share
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Some advice that will give you new ways to look at the best
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Optimal health for your body and mine.
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Ken berry: if there's just one message i can get across to
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People is your health is your wealth.
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I don't care how much money you have, if you don't have health,
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You're poor.
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You get your brain under control, you get your life
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Under control.
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When i was able to take charge of my thinking, take every
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Thought captive, as 2 corinthians says, the forecast
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Of my future was determined by god's plan for me and not by the
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Trauma that i experienced.
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Kirk: let's get to it on "takeaways."
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Kirk: i'm really excited about my first guest today.
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Dr. ken berry is a board-certified family physician
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Who is concentrated on prevention and
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Health optimization.
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During his years of practice, dr. berry has been working to
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Get to the truth behind important health subjects like
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Antibiotics, like dietary cholesterol, and the importance
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Of exercise, and many of his findings are in this book called
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"lies my doctor told me: medical myths that can harm
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Your health."
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Ken, thanks so much for coming on "takeaways."
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Ken: it's a pleasure, man. good to see you.
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Kirk: well, now, hold on, are you saying all doctors
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Are liars?
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Ken: of course not, of course not, but i am saying that many
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Well-meaning doctors will tell you things that are just not
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True literally out of the best of intentions.
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And so if your hairdresser tells you something about health or
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Nutrition, they have no duty to get it right, but doctors kind
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Of have a fiduciary duty to get it right if they're giving you
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Medical advice or nutrition health advice.
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It's kind of their job, and they took an oath, and they have a
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License, and they should really try their best to give you the
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Best advice, but that often does not happen.
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Kirk: now, dr. berry, you're a doctor, so are are you saying
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That it's not happening, and they're not giving good advice
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Because they don't care about our health, or is there
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Another reason?
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Ken: they care very much, that's the entire reason they're a
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Doctor, but the way the current medical education system is set
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Up, the way the dietary education system is set up, you
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Wind up with all of these things which are mythology, which are
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Popular culture, that are just not based on any rational
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Thought or relevant research, and that's what you get told by
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Your doctor very, very often.
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Kirk: so, why would they be spreading mythology?
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Do they themselves believe the myth?
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Ken: absolutely, yeah, and they probably practice it in their
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Own life.
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When it comes to nutrition, they probably follow their
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Own guidelines.
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And part of the reason i wrote this book is i was following my
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Own advice to my patients and wound up becoming severely obese
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And pre-diabetic, following my own advice.
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And as we've talked before, i'm kind of a common sense guy, and
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For a severely-obese doctor to come in the room and say, kirk,
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You need to lose a few pounds, that just doesn't square with me
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And who i am, and so i had to fix my health, and in the
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Process of doing that kind of took me on this journey to try
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To figure out what is a proper human diet and how should we eat
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And what should we eat.
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Kirk: well, ken, i have always dreamed of being a doctor
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One day.
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When i was a little kid, i didn't think about being an
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Actor on "growing pains" or something like that, i wanted to
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Do what you do.
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I wanted to be a doctor, a surgeon.
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I wanted to help people, and so i've always been interested
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In it.
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And one of the things i found fascinating in your book is the
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Pressure that doctors are under to conform to essentially the
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People that turn on and off the money switch, is the way i like
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To think of it, big pharma, big food industries, all these kinds
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Of things, and it influences the advice that they give, not
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Because they wanna hurt people, but they have an excuse to maybe
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Not ask questions and just go with the flow.
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Ken: and before 2020, i think that that sounded very
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Conspiratorial to people on average, but now, post-2020 and
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Everything that happens with that, i think most people go,
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Yeah, no, that makes good sense to me now.
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They obviously were wrong about many, many things back in 2020.
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I wonder what else they're wrong about.
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And so i think now my book is much less controversial, because
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It's like, no, we have a lived experience of doctors telling us
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The exact wrong thing to do in that situation, so maybe dr.
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Berry is right about these other lies as well.
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Kirk: yeah, it really is so interesting.
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We found out so many things because of the internet.
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That's one of the good things about the internet is that we're
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Able to share information, we're able to research things for
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Ourselves, and that's one of the things i love about your book is
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You encourage people to do their own homework, not to just
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Believe their doctor as though doctor is god.
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In fact, one of the first chapters i'd like for you to
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Unpack for us is titled "trust god, not your doctor."
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What do you mean?
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Ken: i mean that there is only one source of information and
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Guidance for living, and that's the heavenly father.
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There is no doctor that can take that place.
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Anything that any human tells you, that human is fallible, and
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That advice could be wrong, and you need to go into that
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Situation looking at your doctor as a learned health partner, as
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A consultant.
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The doctor is not your daddy, the doctor's also not a deity,
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They're human, they could be completely wrong in the advice
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They're giving you.
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Now, we would hope that most of the time they're right, but now
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We have this very concrete example of how they weren't
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Right at all, and many, many people suffered and died because
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Of them being incorrect, but they were the worst kind of
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Ignorant, they were arrogantly ignorant in their advice
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In 2020.
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And so there's only one source of information that you can
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Blindly trust, and that's the heavenly father.
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Kirk: yeah, wow.
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Well, one of the comments that you make in your book here also
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Is just to stop and think about the value of your health.
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If you've got lots of money, if you've got all these great
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Things that you enjoy, but you lose your health, you can't
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Enjoy any of those things.
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And you say, here you say, you know, your life is not a game,
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It's not a movie, you've only got one of them.
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Ken: that's right.
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Kirk: just speak to the importance of taking care of
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Your health when so many people allow themselves to just
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Fall apart.
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Ken: being a student of history, there are multiple examples of
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Very wealthy, very powerful men and women who had the whole
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World in the palm of their hand, but they they didn't have their
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Health, and they wrote about this at length how they would
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Have given up their entire kingdom, so to speak, if they
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Could just be healthy again.
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And so if there's just one message i can get across to
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People is your health is your wealth.
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I don't care how much money you have.
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If you don't have health, you're poor.
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And i think scripture speaks of this as well, your body's kind
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Of likened to the temple, to the temple, and so maybe you should
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Really honor your body and treat it like the one and only chance
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That you have in this life to be healthy, because without good
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Health, you can't really be that productive in any other area
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Of life.
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Kirk: yeah, dr. ken, you are not only a doctor, you're also a man
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Of faith, and we've had conversations talking about how
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The deeper people study science, the further they go they find
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Not that they have more answers but more questions, and then the
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Possibility of god is inescapable.
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Where does your faith and the word of god intersect with all
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This stuff we're talking about?
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Ken: the truth of the matter is is that digging to the bottom of
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Biology, which becomes molecular biology and then chemistry and
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Ultimately physics, that's what led me to god.
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I was an agnostic for the majority of my adult life, but
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I'm an avid reader and researcher and studier, and i
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Kept noticing that the experts in every field, whether it was
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Physics, mathematics, chemistry, biology, the more discoveries we
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Make, the further we get from thinking that we know it all.
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And true, that's been happening for thousands of years with
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Scientists, but you would think in 2026 that when we--we would
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Have it all figured out, but the leaders in the field, not your
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High school biology teacher, not your high school chemistry
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Teacher, they may be atheistic, and they may believe 100% in
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Only a biological evolution-type setup, but the leaders in every
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Field, even if they're not vocal about it, they know there's a
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God, and there's--it's inescapable, because when you
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Discover something, you should move closer to the ultimate
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Answer, makes sense, right?
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But every time we make a huge breakthrough in physics, in
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Math, in chemistry, in molecular biology, we realize, no, we're
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Way further from any ultimate truth than we were before we
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Made this discovery, and there's only one thing that makes that
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Make sense in a worldview and that is that there's a divine
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Creator that's inescapable.
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Kirk: you had mentioned earlier that sometimes we think of
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Conspiracy theories and then we find out that, you know what?
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These were actually well thought-out things that really
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Did occur, and i never want to think that that's happening
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In politics.
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I don't want to think that my government is actually making
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Backroom deals with anybody.
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However, history tells us that is probably the norm, and it's
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The exception when you have people of faith and integrity
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And character and virtue who do the right thing, even when
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They're being bribed to do the opposite, and unfortunately, i
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Know that that is the case even in the healthcare industry.
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They can make more money off of managing my sickness than they
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Can if they make me well.
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And i love your approach to health, and essentially what
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What i've gathered is that, you know, we can't stop injury.
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If i fall off a building, and i break my leg, if i get hit by a
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Car in an accident, i need to go to the doctor, and thank god for
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Medicine, surgery, and all of these things.
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But if i just wanna be healthy and well, one of the best things
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I could do is just don't poison myself.
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Ken: exactly, and that's part of the problem is that the average
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Doctor, the average dietitian, they have been taught a paradigm
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About nutrition, human nutrition, that does not give
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Optimal health.
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Kirk: well, i want to get into specific lies that we have
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Believed over time that regard-- that have to do with our health
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And how to correct them with the truth.
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After the break, we're gonna talk more with dr. berry about
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The role of dairy in your diet and the truth about salt.
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And then later in the program we're going to speak with
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Neurosurgeon, dr. lee warren, on exploring a powerful new way of
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Thinking and living, so don't go away.
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Lee: you're literally commanding your mind to tell your brain to
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Perform surgery on itself, but it's exactly what i do in the
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Operating room.
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I perform structural change on people's brains for the purpose
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Of improving their lives.
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That's what happens when you change one thought
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For another thought.
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Kirk: we're talking with dr. ken berry, the author of "lies my
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Doctor told me: medical myths that can harm your health."
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Well, dr. berry, i found myself in the emergency room several
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Years ago, thought that maybe i was having a heart attack, had
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All these tests worked up, and then was told to go on
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Particular medications to lower my cholesterol and to thin my
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Blood, and i noticed a whole new set of problems came up
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From that.
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I'm getting bruises all over the place, i'm getting fatigued, all
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These issues, and then there's other medicines you can take to
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Counteract those types of things.
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And once i started reading your book and watching some of your
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Videos and other doctors that i have grown to trust and respect,
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I've learned that, man, i think we've got to rethink a lot
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Of this.
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And one of the things that you say in your book i really
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Appreciate is this concept of if something is less bad, then it
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Must be good.
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Ken: right.
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Kirk: what is that all about?
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Ken: so, everything in medicine and nutrition and life in
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General is on a spectrum.
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There's very few black and whites off and on, right?
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Binary is not how the human body works, and so we'll just take
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The cholesterol example.
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You would have to take that cholesterol medicine every
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Single day for 20 years, and the research is very clear on this.
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It shows that it would add about three or four days to your life.
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If you took it every single day for 20 years, that's what you
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Get out of it.
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Now, that's not what the commercials imply.
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Commercials imply that, oh, it'll save you, you know, next
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Week, or you'll live years and years longer if you just take
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This cholesterol-lowering drug.
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That's not what the research shows, but the average doctor
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Doesn't know that, and so they wind up really pushing these
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Drugs on people.
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And there's a whole host of side effects from taking the
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Cholesterol-lowering drugs, including everything you talked
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About, plus it can raise your blood sugar and lead to
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Diabetes, which is 10 to 15 times more dangerous with
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Regards to having a heart attack or a stroke than having high
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Ldl cholesterol.
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Kirk: that's right.
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Ken: let me say that again, having pre-diabetes or type ii
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Diabetes is 10 times more likely to cause you to have a heart
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Attack or a stroke than having high ldl cholesterol.
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That's what the research very clearly shows, but the average
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Doctor only knows what the last drug rep told them who brought
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Donuts or bagels and, you know, was very attractive and very
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Articulate and very well-spoken very personable, and they came
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And they're best friends with the doctor, and they left some
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Drug samples, and now all of a sudden the doctor is an apostle
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For this particular cholesterol-lowering medication.
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That happens every day in medical practice.
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That's why i stopped even talking to drug reps 15
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Years ago.
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I don't even let them back in the office anymore.
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They can bring lunch if they want to, but i'm not gonna talk
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To them, because human nature is, is if you talk to somebody
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Who you like, and they're very likable, you're gonna be swayed
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By what they have to say.
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That's human nature, we can't help that.
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And so doctors have to start protecting themselves from
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Attractive drug reps who are very nice and from, oh, well,
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We'll feed you a steak dinner while you listen to this doctor
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Talk about this drug.
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They're hacking your human nature, doctor.
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You need to stop allowing that stuff to happen, because you'll
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Wind up prescribing a medicine for kirk that gives him more
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Side effects than it does benefits and doesn't really
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Protect him or lengthen his life at all.
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Kirk: people right now are just going that's me, that's me.
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I've got all these, you know how many pills i take at the end
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Of the night?
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I've got them lined up right here next to my bed or next
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To my easy chair, right?
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And they'd love to get off of them, but they're afraid to now,
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Because they will have withdrawal effects, they'll have
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Maybe side effects, and they're afraid they're gonna die.
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I wanna get into some specific lies here, okay?
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And i want you just to react to these.
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One of the lies in your book is eating fat, especially saturated
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Fat, leads to high cholesterol, obesity, and heart disease.
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Ken: yeah, that's a lie.
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That's not true at all.
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First of all, everything i talk about in this book is grounded
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In the up-to-the-minute research and then just common sense and
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Then the ancestral, because i've become a big student of
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Anthropology, archaeology, and paleoanthropology to try to make
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All this stuff make sense.
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And so those are the three lenses that i put every one of
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These lies through.
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And that lie fails on all three counts, because the
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Up-to-the-minute research does not show that eating saturated
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Fat as much as you want is in any way bad for you at all.
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Your brain needs you to eat saturated fat.
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The cell membrane of every cell in your body needs saturated fat
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And cholesterol to function properly or optimally.
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And so if you'd like to function optimally, you need to be eating
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Saturated fat daily.
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Kirk: yeah, and the whole idea behind the lipid heart
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Hypothesis is that that saturated fat contains something
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Called cholesterol, and that cholesterol is all the gunky
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Stuff that's gonna collect in your arteries and give you a
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Stroke or a heart attack.
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And you go in here to debunk that whole thing, it's kind of
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Like accusing--seeing a bunch of firemen at a burning building
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And then saying that the firemen must be the problem.
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Well, no, wait a minute, they're there to maybe put out
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The problem.
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Ken: but they're at every fire you go to, so they must be.
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Kirk: they must be, and that's the same like cholesterol.
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Okay, i'm gonna go to another one.
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Here's a lie, you say drinking milk is good for you and helps
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Keep your bones strong.
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Ken: yeah, so the milk question gets very complicated, so i'll
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Try to shorten it.
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So if you are a human being who's between the ages of zero
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Days old and five to seven years of age, milk is a health food
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For you.
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Every infant should only eat mother's breast milk.
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That should be the only thing they ingest, nothing else, up
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Until they start to wean.
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Then when they start to wean, they need to be being fed eggs
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And fish and meat and real human food.
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But now after the age of five to seven years of age,
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Three-quarters of the human population on planet earth
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Becomes lactose intolerant.
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That's not a disease.
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That's normal for humans to be lactose intolerant as adults.
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And then also between the ages of 10 and 20, most adults become
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Sensitive to the proteins in milk, so it's an age issue
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With milk.
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So, for me and you, drinking milk is absolutely not a
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Health-improving thing that you can do, it's not.
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Is it full of nutrition?
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Yes.
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Should you have drank it at certain times of your life?
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Yes, but as an adult, the vegans are right about this one, milk
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Is not a health food for me and you.
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Kirk: and it makes sense when you think of who drinks milk,
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Especially cow's milk, it's the little baby calf, but a cow
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Doesn't drink milk, it drinks water.
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Ken: right, that big muscular bull never drinks milk.
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Kirk: okay, here's another one.
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The usda food pyramid and my plate models offer the
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Healthiest way to make food choices, and if you follow them,
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You'll have better health.
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Ken: yeah, and so i'm actually working on an updated edition,
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Because the new food pyramid that just came out in 2025 and
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The new dietary guidelines, they're actually much closer to
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Being what i would call a proper human diet.
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But when i wrote this book, we were under the old my plate
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Regime and the old food pyramid.
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If you followed them, they would actually increase the chances of
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You developing type ii diabetes, obesity, fatty liver,
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Hypertension, metabolic syndrome.
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But the brand-new food pyramid in 2025, if you read it from
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Left to right, top to bottom, actually will give you great
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Dietary advice.
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Kirk: yeah, and it's almost opposite of the old
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Food pyramid.
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It's like you turned the whole thing upside-down.
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All of a sudden red meat's not bad, red meat's good.
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All of a sudden egg yolks are not bad, egg yolks are good.
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Ken: and that's, it's actually a great example of what happens
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When the people at the top say, you know, let's actually look at
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The research, and you get a food pyramid that actually
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Makes sense.
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Kirk: all right, here's another one.
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You mention that your runny nose, your ear ache, or your
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Cough won't get better unless you take a course of
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Antibiotics, and if you take them, you'll get over your runny
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Nose, ear ache, and your cough much more quickly.
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Ken: yeah, 99% of all upper respiratory symptoms are viral.
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No antibiotic at the pharmacy treats a viral infection at all,
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But the average doctor, remember, they're well meaning,
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They wanna do something.
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And all humans, we always wanna help, and so but the problem is,
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Is the only tool your doctor has to help you is the prescription
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Pad, that's it.
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And so if you pay your copay and you wait in the waiting room for
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An hour and a half and you finally get back there and the
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Doc says, eh, it's a virus, there's nothing i can do, just
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Go home and drink fluids and lay in bed, a lot of people would be
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Not happy with that.
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Like, i came for you to help me.
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Kirk: at least give me something.
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Ken: right, and so the average doctor winds up writing you a
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Prescription which is not gonna shorten the length or the
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Severity at all of your viral infection, but it is gonna
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Expose you to a long list of possible side effects, some
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Quite serious.
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That's what that antibiotic prescription is gonna do for you
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99% of the time is literally nothing therapeutic and could
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Potentially cause harm, but that doctor feels so much like i have
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To do something for this poor person, they're suffering.
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I'm gonna do the only thing i know to do, and that's to
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Prescribe you an antibiotic.
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Kirk: and just to be clear, you did make the caveat that you're
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Talking about like upper respiratory stuff that we know
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Is mostly viral.
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We're not talking about you just had surgery and you need an
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Antibiotic because there is a bacteria there that needs to
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Be treated.
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Ken: antibiotics have saved millions of lives.
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Kirk: right.
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Ken: no question, i'm a big fan of antibiotics in the
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Right scenario.
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So, if you have pneumonia, definitely take
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Your antibiotics.
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If you have a bacterial sinus or ear infection, take
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Your antibiotics.
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But if it's a classic upper respiratory viral syndrome,
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Antibiotics are a waste of your time, your money, your copay,
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And they expose you to potential side effects.
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Kirk: all right, here's another one.
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Eating salt increases your risk of having high blood pressure,
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Which increases your risk for heart attack and stroke, so you
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Should eat a low salt diet as much as possible to prevent
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Heart disease.
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Ken: it's a great example of how public health and epidemiology
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Filter down into ignorant harmful advice for the
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Individual patients.
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Kirk: so, wait, salt is good?
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Ken: salt is good for you.
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Every mammal on planet earth goes out of their way to
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Get salt.
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It's not because they're a glutton, it's because you need a
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Known amount of salt each and every day of your life for
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Optimal function, and for humans that's about 5 grams a day of
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Sodium chloride, and that's why deer can be tricked into going
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In front of a hunter's gun with a salt lick, right?
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Kirk: that's right, and you know, now that i live in
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Tennessee, i see that people put out salt blocks for
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Their horses.
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Ken: it's not because the horse is a glutton, it's because that
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The horse, the cow, the sheep, any animal needs a source of
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Salt, or their health will suffer.
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Humans are no different.
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Kirk: here's another one where you talk about a calorie is a
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Calorie whether the source is birthday cake or broccoli.
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You can eat whatever you want as long as you burn more calories
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Than you take in.
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Is that true?
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Ken: no, that's completely false.
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The calorie-in, calorie-out model of weight loss, move more,
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Eat less, that model is like the titanic that's already hit the
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Iceberg, it's done.
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It's gonna--you'll see over the next three to five years, people
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Will stop talking about this, especially doctors and
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Dietitians and weight loss gurus.
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It is fatally wounded, it just doesn't know it yet, okay?
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There's another way of looking at this called the mass balance
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Equation, where you say, you know, when i get on the bathroom
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Scale, am i weighing energy?
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Or am i weighing mass of atoms and molecules in my body?
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You're weighing mass.
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Calories have no role in this whatsoever, and so, yeah, the
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Calorie-in, calorie-out model is dead, and you'll see that over
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The next few years.
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Kirk: yeah, well, listen, what you're saying i know because the
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Proof is in the pudding, and when i eat the way that i have
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Eaten, i'm a pretty thin guy, i'm 55 years old, and you know,
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My objective health markers are really good, and i eat more
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Calories than most people i know.
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It's really what i'm not eating that keeps me thin and healthy.
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I'm not poisoning myself.
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Ken: exactly.
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Kirk: that's just such a simple concept, but it's difficult
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Because we're addicted to so many tastes and flavors, and
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We're addicted to certain patterns of thought that keep us
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In that prison.
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Ken: absolutely.
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Kirk: dr. ken, i wish we had more time, but if you could give
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People one takeaway from this book, what would you want it
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To be?
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Ken: eat real food, eat the food that we've eaten for thousands
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Of years.
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If something has only been in existence for less than 200
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Years, it is literally not food for human beings.
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Kirk: all right, there you have it, thanks so much.
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Ken: pleasure, thank you.
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Kirk: after the break, we're gonna be joined with
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Neurosurgeon dr. lee warren and discuss the intersection of
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Neuroscience, faith, and how our thoughts can direct structural
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Changes in the brain.
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Don't miss this.
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Kirk: my next guest is a neurosurgeon, a trauma survivor,
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An iraq war veteran, and an award-winning author.
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Dr. lee warren is committed to helping people find a new way to
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Live happier, healthier lives, and his latest book is called
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"the life-changing art of self-brain surgery: connecting
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Neuroscience and faith to radically transform your life."
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Dr. warren, thanks for coming on "takeaways."
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Lee: kirk, great to meet you, thank you for having me.
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Kirk: this is just so fascinating to me, because it
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Really is true.
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I'm hearing more and more that the deeper we investigate
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Science, the more scientists themselves are discovering god
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And the truth of the bible.
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Have you found that to be true?
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Lee: absolutely, we're finding in 21st century neuroscience,
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Especially that the long arc of science is landing on things
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Scripture said thousands of years ago.
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Kirk: wow.
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Well, you are a practicing neurosurgeon, and you have made
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Your career cutting into the human brain.
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For those of you who aren't familiar with neurosurgery, i
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Mean, this is literally a brain surgeon.
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You know, some people say like, well, i'm not a brain surgeon.
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Okay, well, dr. warren is, he is a brain surgeon.
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And you have made this pivot, even though you're still using a
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Scalpel, and you're still doing surgery on people, but you've
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Pivoted to helping people do self-brain surgery without
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Anesthesia and without physical instruments.
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What led you to this shift?
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Lee: well, it started after a long struggle of personal
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Trauma, really.
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We lost a son in 2013, and after we lost mitch, my wife and i
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Were practicing at the time in auburn, alabama, and in the
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Building where we practiced was a fancy mri research center
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Where you can do what's called functional brain imaging where
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You can actually see what's happening inside the brain when
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You take a picture of the brain, and we were able to watch some
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Of this research shortly after we went back to work after mitch
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Died, and they were doing research on what happens in your
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Brain when you think certain thoughts, and they put a woman
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In the scanner and said think about the worst thing you've
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Ever felt, and we saw her think about something, and then we saw
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Her brain light up in the areas that i recognized to be related
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To fear and pain and hard things, and then we saw her
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Body change.
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Her vital signs went up, and her heart rate went up, and all her
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Physiology began to react to that negative thinking that she
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Was experiencing.
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And then they say, okay, stop thinking about that.
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Now think about the happiest day of your life, the best thing you
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Can remember.
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And quickly different parts of her brain came online, the
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Frontal lobes lit up, the parts that are related to remembering
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Good things, and then her blood pressure calmed down, and her
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Heart rate calmed down.
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And my wife, lisa, said, "that reminds me of philippians 4."
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And i said, "what do you mean?"
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And she said, "well, it said don't be anxious, be thankful
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Instead, and you'll be happier, you'll feel better, that god's
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Peace will fill your heart."
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And right in that moment i realized that when you think one
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Thought and not the other and your brain makes structural
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Changes in response to what you're thinking about, you're
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Literally commanding your mind to tell your brain to perform
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Surgery on itself.
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That's exactly what i do in the operating room.
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I perform structural change on people's brains for the purpose
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Of improving their lives.
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That's what happens when you change one thought for
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Another thought.
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Kirk: that is so profound, and that is so exciting to think
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That our mind, which i'm understanding you to say is
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Different than our brain.
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Lee: absolutely.
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Kirk: i almost think of it as as hardware/software or maybe
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Hardware and electricity or something, i'm not sure.
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I'm gonna ask you in a minute the difference between our
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Brains and our minds, but that we can actually make structural
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Changes and repair things in our brain without having to
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Have surgery.
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I mean, think if we could do that with our back.
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Think if we could do that with our hearts.
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Lee: i'd be out of business.
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Kirk: well, that also makes me think of proverbs chapter 3,
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"trust in the lord with all of your heart, lean not on your own
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Understanding," and it goes down, and it begins to talk
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About how fear and anxiety is really not something that's
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Compatible with the human body and that health to our body and
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Strength to our bones comes when we trust in god.
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And so i've always believed that there's gotta be a connection
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Between the physical body and the peace that we experience
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When we trust in god.
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Lee: that's right.
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A lot of us are taught, most of us are taught these days, kirk,
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That we are sort of our brains, that the brain you inherited
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From your parents and your genetics determines how your
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Life's gonna play out.
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So we we're all taught in school that you're sort of limited by
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What your brain is, and if you go through certain kinds of
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Trauma, your brain gets broken in certain ways, you're stuck
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With that, and you need to manage it.
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But what we're learning from science, and what scripture has
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Always said is your brain literally changes the way it is
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Wired in response to your thinking.
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So you're never actually stuck with the brain that you have,
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You're stuck with the brain that's based on the thoughts
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That you're thinking and the decisions and choices that
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You make.
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And so when we go through something hard, we can either
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Focus on that and teach our brain to stay stuck there, or we
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Can let god tell us how to renew our minds and mind will control
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Brain and in real time your brain makes structural changes
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To support that new and healthier attitude, the life to
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Your bones.
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Kirk: that is fascinating, and that is so exciting,
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Self-brain surgery.
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You mentioned that you had tragically lost your son, and
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You also served as a surgeon in the military during the iraq
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War, and you returned home with ptsd.
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How did that trauma of both of those things affect you
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Mentally, emotionally?
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Lee: really hard.
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I mean, first of all, after coming home from the war,
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I started experiencing things from my brain that i didn't
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Understand, and it was hard for me to understand how i couldn't
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Understand it, because i was a neuroscientist.
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So i was hearing all these negative thoughts and kind of
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Doom forecasts, and it was never gonna feel better than this and
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Kind of stuffed all that inside and managed it, and then after
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Mitch died, it all kind of came back out again, and that's when
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I knew i had to do something about it.
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And that event that happened in auburn where we got to see the
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Difference between mind and brain is really when i started
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To try to put all those pieces back together and understand
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That you get your brain under control, you get your life
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Under control.
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And so when you allow--when i was able to take charge of my
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Thinking, take every thought captive, as 2 corinthians says,
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I started talking back like david said in the psalms, preach
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To your soul that the forecast of my future was determined by
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God's plan for me and not by the trauma that i experienced.
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Kirk: hmm, man, this is so important.
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Whatever is good, whatever is true, whatever is praiseworthy,
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Whatever is good report, think about these.
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Yeah, be joyful always, be grateful, give thanks in
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All circumstances.
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This isn't just platitudes and be nice stuff.
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This is self-brain surgery.
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Lee: and it's not a metaphor either.
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Like, we know from the science now that in real time when you
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Change what you think about different genes get turned on
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And off in your brain, different neurotransmitters get produced,
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Different hormones get released.
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Like, you literally are changing what your body is doing
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Structurally when you take command of your thoughts.
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Kirk: dr. warren, when you experienced this trauma of the
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Loss of your son, the ptsd, how did that affect your faith?
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Lee: well, it made me doubt for the first time.
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I'd been through hard things before, i'd seen a lot of hard
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Things as a doctor, but i'd never really shaken my fist at
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God like jeremiah does in the old testament until then, and i
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Never really doubted, but i went through all those normal
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Suffering things, the questions that everybody asks, like how
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Could a good god allow this sort of thing to happen, and then i
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Basically had to decide do i believe in the resurrection?
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Do i believe i get to meet my son again?
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Do i believe that god has a good plan for me or not?
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And if i believed it, then i had to start looking for other
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Promises in scripture that were true, and i found psalm 34:18,
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The lord is close to the brokenhearted.
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I found, "i have a plan for you, a plan for hope and a future,"
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And i started holding on tightly to those promises, and my wife
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And i and our other kids rallied around the promises and started
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Climbing out of that hole, and it was really the belief in the
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Promise of the resurrection that led me back to hope again.
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Kirk: that's awesome.
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That's so exciting.
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We who are just normal people, not rocket scientists, not brain
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Surgeons, we want the leaders in these important fields to have
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Faith in god, and we want to see how these things come together
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That they're not at odds, science and faith, you know,
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Medicine and the bible, and so it's very exciting for us to
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See this.
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It's very exciting to see a book like this.
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Here, max lucado said, "i've been waiting for a book like
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This, the perfect blend of science, therapy, and faith,"
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And that's exactly what i was thinking while you were talking,
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That the things that scripture was able to do and the things
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That you could do for yourself are things that a scalpel and a
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Surgeon cannot do, is that right?
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Lee: that's exactly right.
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You can't operate on the brain and make it do something it
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Wasn't designed to do or wasn't doing before you did it.
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You can make it stop doing certain things, but you can't
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Make it do new things.
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But when you learn to command your brain with your mind and
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Operate according to god's principles, the renewal of your
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Mind, as romans 12:2 says, the brain will begin to do what it
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Was designed to do, and it'll stop doing what the traumas and
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Tragedies of your life have made it do.
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Kirk: i think of the value of of good biblical counseling.
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What's--i mean, essentially is this self-brain surgery looking
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To the word of god as your surgeon and your counselor?
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I mean, is that a legitimate way of thinking about what you're--
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What you've written about here?
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Lee: it is, that what we learned from science is that about
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Two-thirds, some people say up to 80% of the automatic things
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That you think and feel are false.
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So we have--we live in a culture that says follow your
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Heart, and you do you, and you believe your feelings, and we
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Know now that most of our feelings and thoughts are false.
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And so once you identify a false thought, if you start to think
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About your thinking instead of just reacting to it, as my
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Friend max lucado said, once you do that, then you recognize i
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Need to have something in my heart to transplant for a false
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Thought once i identify one, and the most reliable things to
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Transplant for negative thinking are the words of god, because
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They're always true.
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And so if you have a bank of stuff in your heart and your
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Mind stored up from knowing what's true, then when you go
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Through something hard, and that negative thinking creeps in
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There, you can say, wait a minute, i need to biopsy that
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Thought, look at it critically, replace the false things with
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True things, and you can't go wrong when you're basing your
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Decisions on god's word.
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Kirk: i love that.
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And i know thinkers who are phenomenally skilled at
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Thinking, but they've got underlying thoughts that is just
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Stinking thinking, lies, false things that are not true, and
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They're just processing it skillfully, but they're still
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Processing it wrong, and it's what you said.
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If i replace bad thoughts or wrong thoughts with god's word,
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That's not a self-help thing as much as allowing god to be the
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Great physician with his word as the scalpel.
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Lee: that's right, that's right.
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So, if you understand that a lot of the things that you think
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Aren't true, just believe that, 'cause that's what the science
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Says, then you have a sort of a skill set that you can develop
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Over time to critically examine that thinking instead of
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Reacting to it.
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Because most of us just hear that voice in our head, feel
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Feelings that pop up, they feel so real.
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You have to understand that you need to use this gift that god
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Gave you of what we call metacognition or or sort of
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Selective attention.
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You can decide to pay attention to one thing and not another
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Thing, and you can critically examine that thought before you
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React to it.
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If you can just learn that little space, then you can
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Develop this skill set of being able to respond to true thinking
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Instead of reacting to negative thinking.
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Kirk: i love it.
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I wanna talk more about how to biopsy our thoughts.
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When we come back, we're gonna talk with dr. warren about what
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To do when you're feeling stuck or you need a new way of
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Managing stress by rewiring your brain with the power of your
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Mind and guiding scriptures, so stay with us.
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[music]
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Kirk: we're back with award-winning author and
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Neurosurgeon, dr. lee warren, on his latest book, "the
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Life-changing art of self-brain surgery."
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Man, this is just so intriguing.
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I can think of people i wanna give this book to, and i can
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Think of things that i want to rewire in my own mind using--or
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In my brain by using my mind.
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Lee: that's right.
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Kirk: now, dr. warren, you say that self-brain surgery is not
00:39:12.941 --> 00:39:17.846
Just something that affects us, but that it powerfully impacts
00:39:17.846 --> 00:39:22.284
Other people.
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How does that work?
00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:25.954
Lee: it works in two different ways.
00:39:25.954 --> 00:39:27.389
One, we understand now that there's numerous different brain
00:39:27.389 --> 00:39:29.791
Mechanisms that affect people around you, even nonverbally.
00:39:29.791 --> 00:39:33.128
So there's this whole system of neurons called mirror neurons
00:39:33.128 --> 00:39:36.031
Where you begin to detect other people's emotional states and
00:39:36.031 --> 00:39:39.234
Things that other people are feeling and thinking without
00:39:39.234 --> 00:39:41.570
Them saying anything.
00:39:41.570 --> 00:39:42.904
We commonly call that the debbie downer effect, when somebody
00:39:42.904 --> 00:39:45.240
Walks into a room, and they're in a really bad mood.
00:39:45.240 --> 00:39:47.342
Before you know it, you're in a bad mood too.
00:39:47.342 --> 00:39:49.110
That's your brain transmitting electromagnetic energy that the
00:39:49.110 --> 00:39:51.813
Other brains can pick up and begin to emulate and model, and
00:39:51.813 --> 00:39:55.217
So it's important, then, for us to steward the things we're
00:39:55.217 --> 00:39:57.986
Thinking about, because we're affecting other people's
00:39:57.986 --> 00:40:00.222
Emotional states and the rest of their day and how they're gonna
00:40:00.222 --> 00:40:02.457
Go home to their kids that night by how we're managing or
00:40:02.457 --> 00:40:05.227
Stewarding our emotions.
00:40:05.227 --> 00:40:06.628
So it's important that you nonverbally communicate good
00:40:06.628 --> 00:40:09.264
Things from the lord and good things that are true instead of
00:40:09.264 --> 00:40:11.967
Just your grumpy internal thoughts.
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The second way, and i think even more importantly, is through
00:40:14.002 --> 00:40:16.338
Something called epigenetics, where we know now that it's not
00:40:16.338 --> 00:40:19.441
The genes you inherit from your folks that tell the biggest
00:40:19.441 --> 00:40:22.410
Story about how your life turns out, but it's the way those
00:40:22.410 --> 00:40:24.679
Genes are turned on and turned off, and that turns out to be
00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:28.049
Under the control a lot of what you think about and what you
00:40:28.049 --> 00:40:31.086
Ponder in your life, because genes get turned on and off, and
00:40:31.086 --> 00:40:34.155
That stuff can be passed on to your children.
00:40:34.155 --> 00:40:36.391
So there's a fascinating series of research that shows that in
00:40:36.391 --> 00:40:39.294
Holocaust survivors down to four generations, the great
00:40:39.294 --> 00:40:43.231
Grandchildren of holocaust survivors can be born with
00:40:43.231 --> 00:40:45.901
Abnormally high stress cortisol levels, which means they've
00:40:45.901 --> 00:40:49.004
Never been through the hard thing that their great
00:40:49.004 --> 00:40:51.206
Grandparents went through, but they're born with difficulty
00:40:51.206 --> 00:40:53.942
Managing stressful situations, so you can pass that stuff on to
00:40:53.942 --> 00:40:57.012
Your kids.
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The good news is it's been shown that you can--if you learn to
00:40:58.346 --> 00:41:00.715
Manage that, you can turn that gene back off in one generation.
00:41:00.715 --> 00:41:04.719
So if you learn how to manage things that you've been through
00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:07.355
That your great grandparents or parents went through alcoholism,
00:41:07.355 --> 00:41:10.425
Abuse, hardship, you were born with a difficult abnormal stress
00:41:10.425 --> 00:41:15.130
Response, and you figure that out in your lifetime, and you do
00:41:15.130 --> 00:41:17.198
The work to fix that, your kids can be born with a healthier
00:41:17.198 --> 00:41:20.635
Stress response.
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And so it's--that's why the bible says be very careful,
00:41:22.003 --> 00:41:23.538
Then, how you live.
00:41:23.538 --> 00:41:24.873
Like, the choices that we make affects future generations.
00:41:24.873 --> 00:41:27.976
That's why it's been said that you're born looking like your
00:41:27.976 --> 00:41:30.178
Parents, but you die looking like your decisions.
00:41:30.178 --> 00:41:32.380
Like, the things that we choose, the things that we think about,
00:41:32.380 --> 00:41:34.849
The things that we ponder in our lives affect future generations.
00:41:34.849 --> 00:41:37.953
Kirk: that's right, that's right.
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I've always heard it said you are what you think about.
00:41:39.421 --> 00:41:41.656
Make sure that your thoughts are good and right.
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Lee: but not just you, your children and their children.
00:41:45.093 --> 00:41:47.128
Kirk: and their children.
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And i think that can get into generational patterns and
00:41:48.496 --> 00:41:51.199
Sicknesses and other kinds of things without getting all like,
00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:54.002
You know, witchiepoo and hocus-pocus about it.
00:41:54.002 --> 00:41:56.504
We're talking about patterns in your brain and genes that are
00:41:56.504 --> 00:42:00.008
Passed on, that are turned on and off, and structural changes
00:42:00.008 --> 00:42:02.978
To be able to cope with certain things in certain ways.
00:42:02.978 --> 00:42:06.047
Dr. warren, in your book you introduce readers to this idea
00:42:06.047 --> 00:42:08.984
Of the ten commandments of self-brain surgery, i love it.
00:42:08.984 --> 00:42:12.988
And number one is, "i must relentlessly refuse to
00:42:12.988 --> 00:42:16.358
Participate in my own demise."
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Why is that at the top of the list?
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Lee: because if i'm gonna ask people to become self-brain
00:42:20.996 --> 00:42:23.398
Surgeons, if you're gonna agree with me that you can change your
00:42:23.398 --> 00:42:25.800
Whole life and future generations' lives by changing
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:28.103
How you think, then you have to understand that you're
00:42:28.103 --> 00:42:30.672
Performing role--you're performing the role of a
00:42:30.672 --> 00:42:32.474
Surgeon, and on the first day of medical school, you take an oath
00:42:32.474 --> 00:42:35.644
That says i will not commit malpractice against my patient.
00:42:35.644 --> 00:42:38.279
I won't harm my patient.
00:42:38.279 --> 00:42:39.648
And so now you're gonna become your own doctor and your own
00:42:39.648 --> 00:42:42.350
Patient, so to speak.
00:42:42.350 --> 00:42:43.718
It's important to not use your brain or your body in ways that
00:42:43.718 --> 00:42:46.621
Are gonna harm you, don't use numbing behaviors like excess
00:42:46.621 --> 00:42:49.791
Alcohol or decisions that you make that are gonna harm you or
00:42:49.791 --> 00:42:53.194
Your family.
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Don't make thought decisions that are gonna create harmful
00:42:54.562 --> 00:42:57.132
Genetics switches that might affect your generations.
00:42:57.132 --> 00:42:59.300
Like, choose not to commit malpractice against yourself.
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Kirk: that is so good.
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Man, i love this.
00:43:04.406 --> 00:43:05.740
You also described this process that you mentioned earlier of
00:43:05.740 --> 00:43:08.977
Critically examining our thoughts or thinking about our
00:43:08.977 --> 00:43:12.614
Thinking, and you're calling it thought biopsy.
00:43:12.614 --> 00:43:16.851
So, can you tell us a little bit about what that procedure
00:43:16.851 --> 00:43:19.354
Looks like?
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Lee: yeah, so if you walked into my office and you said, hey,
00:43:20.722 --> 00:43:22.691
Doc, i've been having headaches.
00:43:22.691 --> 00:43:24.292
If the first thing i said to you, kirk, was, well, let's go
00:43:24.292 --> 00:43:26.561
To the operating room, and i'll cut your head open and take a
00:43:26.561 --> 00:43:28.563
Look, you'd say, wait, don't you need to do a scan or get some
00:43:28.563 --> 00:43:32.367
Information, right?
00:43:32.367 --> 00:43:33.735
Don't you wanna do some testing first?
00:43:33.735 --> 00:43:35.070
But we all just react to our thinking all the time.
00:43:35.070 --> 00:43:36.905
We all just feel something and send a text message or think
00:43:36.905 --> 00:43:39.808
Something and react to it.
00:43:39.808 --> 00:43:41.543
But if you learn that you don't have to react to everything that
00:43:41.543 --> 00:43:44.112
You think and because the majority of the things that you
00:43:44.112 --> 00:43:47.015
Think and feel aren't true, then you can develop a little
00:43:47.015 --> 00:43:50.118
Procedure, i call it the thought biopsy, to do what 2 corinthians
00:43:50.118 --> 00:43:53.321
10:5 says, which is we take captive every thought.
00:43:53.321 --> 00:43:56.491
Like, every thought that pops into your head can either harm
00:43:56.491 --> 00:43:59.194
You or help you.
00:43:59.194 --> 00:44:00.528
And so before you react to one, you need to decide is this a
00:44:00.528 --> 00:44:02.897
Harmful, negative, false thought?
00:44:02.897 --> 00:44:04.566
Or is it something true that needs to be responded to?
00:44:04.566 --> 00:44:07.135
And once you identify that, you can start to look at it like i
00:44:07.135 --> 00:44:09.938
Do with tissue under a microscope and decide what type
00:44:09.938 --> 00:44:13.074
Of thought this is and what's the appropriate response instead
00:44:13.074 --> 00:44:15.844
Of a reflexive or habitual response.
00:44:15.844 --> 00:44:18.747
Kirk: yeah, now, of course, you know what a healthy tissue looks
00:44:18.747 --> 00:44:23.184
Like and what an unhealthy tissue looks like, but i don't
00:44:23.184 --> 00:44:26.421
Have that kind of training.
00:44:26.421 --> 00:44:27.789
I wouldn't know the difference.
00:44:27.789 --> 00:44:29.124
So, i'm just thinking in practical terms, someone has
00:44:29.124 --> 00:44:31.292
This thought that comes into their mind, and they think,
00:44:31.292 --> 00:44:33.595
Well, this person can't be trusted, or they don't like me,
00:44:33.595 --> 00:44:37.732
Or god's mad at me, how would i know whether that thought is a
00:44:37.732 --> 00:44:41.936
Healthy thought or it is a diseased thought?
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Lee: well, the first thing you can do is just take a second to
00:44:45.073 --> 00:44:47.542
Ponder it.
00:44:47.542 --> 00:44:48.877
Like, is this 100% true?
00:44:48.877 --> 00:44:50.245
Is it always true?
00:44:50.245 --> 00:44:51.579
Is it absolutely true?
00:44:51.579 --> 00:44:52.947
Question it a little bit, pray about it.
00:44:52.947 --> 00:44:54.816
Think of a scripture that might address that situation, or zoom
00:44:54.816 --> 00:44:58.086
Out a little bit and say, well, what if the role was reversed,
00:44:58.086 --> 00:45:01.222
And would i be telling a lie every time i was in this type
00:45:01.222 --> 00:45:04.492
Of situation?
00:45:04.492 --> 00:45:05.860
Like, just think about it a little bit.
00:45:05.860 --> 00:45:07.195
Most of the time if you get past that initial emotional rush of a
00:45:07.195 --> 00:45:10.598
Thought that pops into your head, you can calm down a little
00:45:10.598 --> 00:45:13.268
Bit and be--get the frontal lobes of your brain involved,
00:45:13.268 --> 00:45:15.970
The big part of your brain instead of that little amygdala
00:45:15.970 --> 00:45:18.306
It's based on fear and running away and all those things, and
00:45:18.306 --> 00:45:20.975
Get that big supercomputer frontal lobe activated, which
00:45:20.975 --> 00:45:24.345
Takes a couple of seconds, and use that bigger part of your
00:45:24.345 --> 00:45:27.415
Brain to investigate that thought a little bit more
00:45:27.415 --> 00:45:29.951
Carefully, you'll make a better decision.
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Kirk: scripture just came to my mind that says exactly what
00:45:32.620 --> 00:45:35.723
You're saying.
00:45:35.723 --> 00:45:37.058
That's why if we take a time to think about it, so the frontal
00:45:37.058 --> 00:45:39.661
Lobe kicks in, not just the little one based on fear in
00:45:39.661 --> 00:45:42.997
The back.
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In the book of james i believe it says be slow to speak, take a
00:45:44.332 --> 00:45:48.636
Minute, think about it, be quick to listen and slow to
00:45:48.636 --> 00:45:52.407
Become angry.
00:45:52.407 --> 00:45:53.775
Lee: that's right, exactly what jesus said, be very careful what
00:45:53.775 --> 00:45:55.977
You see, careful what you hear, careful what comes out of your
00:45:55.977 --> 00:45:58.947
Mouth, because it's based on the things that you're thinking
00:45:58.947 --> 00:46:00.882
About, so be slower with your thoughts.
00:46:00.882 --> 00:46:03.284
Kirk: what would you say to somebody who's facing chronic
00:46:03.284 --> 00:46:05.920
Pain or old emotional wounds, and they feel stuck?
00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:11.159
Lee: yeah, so chronic pain and emotional wounds are really
00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:13.828
Interesting and important to talk about, because most people
00:46:13.828 --> 00:46:16.164
Think that pain is based on something being wrong with some
00:46:16.164 --> 00:46:18.766
Part of your body.
00:46:18.766 --> 00:46:20.134
We know now that chronic pain is actually in your brain, and it's
00:46:20.134 --> 00:46:22.904
Based on a memory of something that used to hurt you.
00:46:22.904 --> 00:46:25.340
So it's not actually about a physical injury or something
00:46:25.340 --> 00:46:27.508
That's actively going on, it's about the way your brain is
00:46:27.508 --> 00:46:30.678
Processing the memory of something that you went through
00:46:30.678 --> 00:46:32.347
In the past.
00:46:32.347 --> 00:46:33.681
Once you understand that, you can start to attack it in a
00:46:33.681 --> 00:46:35.817
Different way, thinking about it differently.
00:46:35.817 --> 00:46:37.952
And the same thing is true of emotional wounds.
00:46:37.952 --> 00:46:39.787
Emotional wounds in your brain are indistinguishable from
00:46:39.787 --> 00:46:42.757
Physical wounds.
00:46:42.757 --> 00:46:44.125
That's why you feel physical pain sometimes when your
00:46:44.125 --> 00:46:45.526
Feelings are hurt, because your brain doesn't have a mechanism
00:46:45.526 --> 00:46:47.929
To tell the difference between an emotional wound and a
00:46:47.929 --> 00:46:49.931
Real wound.
00:46:49.931 --> 00:46:51.266
And so understanding that, again, gives you an opportunity,
00:46:51.266 --> 00:46:53.935
Question this, ask yourself questions of it, pray through
00:46:53.935 --> 00:46:56.671
It, look for scriptures around it, spin it around and look at
00:46:56.671 --> 00:46:59.240
It from different perspective, and you can start to master that
00:46:59.240 --> 00:47:02.543
Emotional component of what you're feeling.
00:47:02.543 --> 00:47:04.812
Kirk: wow, the last section of the book addresses tactical
00:47:04.812 --> 00:47:09.117
Procedures for specific problems that includes things like goals
00:47:09.117 --> 00:47:14.088
And setting strategies and benefits with guiding scripture.
00:47:14.088 --> 00:47:18.693
Tell us a little bit more about that.
00:47:18.693 --> 00:47:20.028
Lee: yeah, so i took 15 different common problems that
00:47:20.028 --> 00:47:22.630
People face, anxiety, grief, habits that they need to break,
00:47:22.630 --> 00:47:26.401
And i tried to tie each one to-- the solution to each one to an
00:47:26.401 --> 00:47:30.371
Operation that i made up to give you tactical ways to look at it,
00:47:30.371 --> 00:47:33.207
And each one with a neuroscience principle and a scripture to go
00:47:33.207 --> 00:47:35.743
Along with them.
00:47:35.743 --> 00:47:37.078
So for everything that we can face just about in our life,
00:47:37.078 --> 00:47:39.347
Neuroscience and faith and scripture have something to say
00:47:39.347 --> 00:47:42.383
About it.
00:47:42.383 --> 00:47:43.851
Kirk: now, does scripture mention this concept of
00:47:43.851 --> 00:47:47.221
Self-brain surgery?
00:47:47.221 --> 00:47:48.589
It's the first time i've heard the phrase, but is this
00:47:48.589 --> 00:47:52.427
Hocus-pocus voodoo stuff christians should stay
00:47:52.427 --> 00:47:54.562
Away from?
00:47:54.562 --> 00:47:55.897
Or is this in line with scripture?
00:47:55.897 --> 00:47:57.665
Lee: it's 100% in line with scripture, and the reason it is,
00:47:57.665 --> 00:48:00.401
Is romans 12:1-2.
00:48:00.401 --> 00:48:01.903
So romans 12:2 is a famous verse that says don't conform to the
00:48:01.903 --> 00:48:05.406
World's pattern, but be transformed by the renewing of
00:48:05.406 --> 00:48:07.475
Your mind.
00:48:07.475 --> 00:48:08.843
Romans 12:1 says present your bodies as a living sacrifice,
00:48:08.843 --> 00:48:12.046
Holy and acceptable to your god.
00:48:12.046 --> 00:48:13.614
Your brain is part of your body.
00:48:13.614 --> 00:48:15.316
Your mind is your material, impermanent, immortal self that
00:48:15.316 --> 00:48:19.554
God gave you.
00:48:19.554 --> 00:48:20.922
And so he's basically saying use your body in a way that honors
00:48:20.922 --> 00:48:23.358
Me and transform the way you think, and that will transform
00:48:23.358 --> 00:48:27.128
The way your body works.
00:48:27.128 --> 00:48:28.463
So you got the whole package right there in 12:1 and 2. kirk:
00:48:28.463 --> 00:48:32.100
They are connected, the mind, the body, the emotion, the soul,
00:48:32.100 --> 00:48:36.270
And we need that holistic health.
00:48:36.270 --> 00:48:40.074
I'm just--i'm so excited about this.
00:48:40.074 --> 00:48:42.176
I've always wanted to be a doctor.
00:48:42.176 --> 00:48:43.978
We just spoke to dr. ken berry, but now you're telling me i can
00:48:43.978 --> 00:48:48.716
Be a doctor.
00:48:48.716 --> 00:48:50.051
In fact, i can be a neurosurgeon and have self-brain
00:48:50.051 --> 00:48:51.652
Surgery going.
00:48:51.652 --> 00:48:53.021
Lee: we're already doing it.
00:48:53.021 --> 00:48:54.355
Kirk: we're already doing it.
00:48:54.355 --> 00:48:57.058
What would you want someone to take away from your book, the
00:48:57.058 --> 00:49:00.361
Big idea?
00:49:00.361 --> 00:49:01.729
Lee: the big idea is this, most of us are taught that we're
00:49:01.729 --> 00:49:04.732
Stuck with the brains that we have and that the life that we
00:49:04.732 --> 00:49:07.201
Have is based on the genetics and traumas and parents and
00:49:07.201 --> 00:49:10.204
Families and all the things that we've been through.
00:49:10.204 --> 00:49:12.407
And what scripture says and what 21st century neuroscience says
00:49:12.407 --> 00:49:15.610
Is you've never been stuck, you just need to change the way you
00:49:15.610 --> 00:49:17.879
Think about everything.
00:49:17.879 --> 00:49:19.247
Your brain is designed to heal, you have a tremendous amount of
00:49:19.247 --> 00:49:21.916
Agency in the choices that you make, and your brain
00:49:21.916 --> 00:49:24.986
Will respond.
00:49:24.986 --> 00:49:26.320
Sometimes you need professional help to get it there, but your
00:49:26.320 --> 00:49:28.689
Brain will respond to improving your thought life, and that
00:49:28.689 --> 00:49:31.592
Gives us all hope.
00:49:31.592 --> 00:49:33.061
Kirk: that's awesome.
00:49:33.061 --> 00:49:34.395
Dr. warren, thanks so much for coming on "takeaways."
00:49:34.395 --> 00:49:35.763
Lee: thank you, kirk.
00:49:35.763 --> 00:49:37.098
Kirk: after the break, we'll review today's takeaways.
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Kirk: you know, i've always wanted to be a doctor, and today
00:49:52.949 --> 00:49:55.151
I got to sit with two of them.
00:49:55.151 --> 00:49:57.320
And you know what they both found at the bottom of
00:49:57.320 --> 00:49:59.322
Their research?
00:49:59.322 --> 00:50:00.924
God.
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They reminded us that our health is more in our hands than we
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Realize, which brings us to our first takeaway.
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Trust god, not your doctor.
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Here's something dr. berry said that i think we all need
00:50:12.135 --> 00:50:15.105
To hear.
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Your doctor is a consultant, not a deity.
00:50:16.439 --> 00:50:20.543
They're human, they can be wrong, and often they are, even
00:50:20.543 --> 00:50:24.180
With the best of intentions.
00:50:24.180 --> 00:50:25.915
So, get a second opinion, do your homework.
00:50:25.915 --> 00:50:29.219
But most importantly, remember, there's only one source of truth
00:50:29.219 --> 00:50:32.922
That you can always trust, and that's god.
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Your health is your wealth.
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Throughout history, powerful people who've had the whole
00:50:40.897 --> 00:50:43.800
World in their hands would have given it all up in a second just
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To be healthy again.
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Your body is a temple, and one of the best ways that we can
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Honor it is simple, eat real food.
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What we eat affects everything, our weight, our energy, even our
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Mental health.
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Dr. berry says inflammation from bad food is at the root of all
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Of it.
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Your health is your wealth, protect it.
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Science validates scripture.
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You know what really stood out to me?
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Both guests said the same thing.
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The deeper you dig into science, the closer you get to god.
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Dr. berry even said that studying biology, chemistry, and
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Physics is what led him from agnosticism to faith.
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Dr. warren said 21st century neuroscience is finally landing
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On things scripture said thousands of years ago.
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You see, science isn't the enemy of faith.
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In fact, the more we discover, the more scripture makes sense.
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Biopsy your thoughts.
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Here's something dr. warren shared that really stuck
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With me.
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When a thought pops into your head, don't just react, biopsy
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It, examine it.
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Is it true?
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Is it from god?
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If not, replace it with scripture.
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Most of us are taught that trauma breaks us, and then we
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Just have to live with it, but dr. warren said that's not true.
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Romans 12 says that we can be transformed by the renewing of
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Your mind.
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Now, that's not just poetry, that's neuroscience.
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Your brain physically changes based on what you think about.
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That's amazing.
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Our brains are designed to heal.
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Two doctors, two different fields, both pointing to the
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Great physician.
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With him, i'd say we're in good hands.
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That's all for this episode of "takeaways," thank you
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For watching.
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And if you've enjoyed the show, don't forget to set your dvr so
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You never miss an episode.
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Just search for takeaways on tbn+ or visit the kirk cameron
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We'll see you here next time for more great conversations.
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Ken D. Berry & W. Lee Warren: Practicing Healthy Habits for the Body and Mind | Takeaways with Kirk Cameron

March 16, 2026 | 53:25

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