Lysa TerKeurst & Laurie Polich Short: Learning to Trust After Being Hurt | Takeaways with Kirk Cameron

June 22, 2026 | 53:25

Kirk Cameron is joined by speakers Lysa TerKeurst and Laurie Polich Short sharing how to see God’s work in your life and trusting His guidance through hurts and hardships.

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Takeaways with Kirk Cameron | Lysa TerKeurst & Laurie Polich Short: Learning to Trust After Being Hurt | Takeaways with Kirk Cameron | June 22, 2026

Kirk cameron: the word trust is often defined as a firm belief
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In the character of someone, often involving confident
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Reliance on their integrity.
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For some people, trusting is very easy, but for others, it's
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Nearly impossible to take that risk again once their trust has
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Been betrayed.
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So, how do you move forward in your life when your trust has
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Been broken by people you thought you could count on?
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Today we're going to be talking with lysa terkeurst, addressing
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The challenges of trust after you've been hurt,
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And laurie polich short will talk about how
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Our trust in god can be strengthened when we learn
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To see him working in the details of our lives.
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Lysa terkeurst: when you've had your trust broken, the only way
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That trust can be repaired is time plus believable behavior.
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Laurie short: god uses everything in our lives, but we
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Don't love going through everything, but we have to trust
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That he is in control.
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Kirk: it's all coming up next on "takeaways."
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Kirk: it's my pleasure to introduce my first guest today.
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Popular speaker and "new york times" bestselling author,
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Lysa terkeurst, is president and the chief visionary officer for
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Proverbs 31 ministries.
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She released a book last year that i think is really
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Important, and we're gonna be discussing it today called
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"i wanna trust you, but i don't: moving forward when you're
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Skeptical of others, afraid of what god will allow,
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And doubtful of your own discernment."
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Lysa, what a powerful topic, and i'm so thankful you came on
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"takeaways" to talk about it.
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Lysa: thank you so much.
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It's a joy to be here with you.
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Kirk: you've written so many books about such important
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Topics, and i can think of people in my life and my family
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And in my friend circles right now who need to read this book.
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This issue of trust is so important.
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People say things like, you know, well, she just has trust
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Issues, or i have trust issues, and trust is another word
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For faith.
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I think of the most important thing in the world is faith in
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God, and that's our ability to trust him.
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But how would you define trust?
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Just, you know, to get us started, what is a
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Good definition?
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Lysa: yeah, well, trust is the oxygen of all
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Human relationships.
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You starve a relationship of trust, and you will starve that
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Relationship of vibrancy.
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Potentially you'll starve it to death.
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So, trust is where i believe that you have my best interest
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In mind, and you actually do have my best interest in mind.
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And then you believe that i have your best interest in mind.
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And it's that give and take in a relationship, but at the end of
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The day, there has to be safety.
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Safety is really a crucial component of trust.
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And so the two components of trust are safety and connection.
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Now, the problem is sometimes people will prioritize safety so
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High after they've gotten their heart broken or their trust
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Broken, they'll prioritize safety so high that they
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Diminish connection in all of their relationships.
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Or sometimes people are so desperate for connection that
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They overlook all the red flags, and they diminish their own need
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For safety.
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So the goal is to bring those back in balance and have
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Safe connections.
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Kirk: hmm, wow, that was kind of masterful what you did right
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There, and one of the things that i have learned after being
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Married for 35 years is that word safety.
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You know, i think for guys, we often think of physical safety.
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I'm gonna keep my wife safe, right?
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And so it's like i got a gun in the closet, and i got my dog
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Who's--when i'm not home, right?
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Like safety.
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I'm not always thinking of emotional safety, but my
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Wife is.
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And so when you say trust and that safety and connection, i
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Mean, that all really, really makes sense.
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And the truth is i think that it applies to guys, too, because i
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Know people who have a very difficult time trusting women
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Who have betrayed them in the past.
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And so it actually is applicable to everybody.
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Now, in your book you say that you don't like the phrase
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Trust issues.
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I have trust issues, he has trust issues, why not?
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Lysa: well, i think sometimes that can become a label that
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People own, and then they just go, okay, well, i'm just
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Accepting this about myself, and then they short circuit the
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Ability to work that out.
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And look, what we don't work out, we will eventually act out.
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So it's absolutely crucial in relationships to make sure that
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We don't just lean back and go i have trust issues, but rather we
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Step in and think, okay, acknowledge it, but now what do
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I do about it?
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And i think one crucial point in the book that i think is really
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Important is when you've had your trust broken, the only way
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That trust can be repaired is time plus believable behavior.
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In other words, the person that broke your trust, if they want
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To repair, and they want to reconcile in a relationship, the
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Process can never be rushed.
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Trust is broken in an instant, but trust has to be repaired
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Over a long period of time, and during the course of that time,
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They have to demonstrate believable trustworthy behavior
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In order for trust to be repaired in the relationship.
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And sometimes it can be repaired, and sometimes
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It can't.
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But here's a real danger sign.
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If you're in a relationship and someone says that they want to
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Repair the relationship, they want to repair the trust, for
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Every rip, there has to be a repair.
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So this is gonna be a long process.
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You know, each time that they ripped that trust or they broke
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That trust, that has to be repaired.
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And it's gonna take time plus believable behavior over that
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Long stretch.
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And here's the problem, though, if the person who is really
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Trying to establish that they are trustworthy, if they start
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To try to rush the process, and the person who got hurt gets
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Triggered in pain, this is a real danger.
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So, if i get triggered in pain, you're trying to rush the
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Process, and i start getting upset and worried and fearful,
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And you say haven't you gotten over this?
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I mean, this is ridiculous.
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Like, this is really--like, this happened a long time ago,
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And we're still bringing this up?
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So that's a real danger point.
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That's not gonna build trust in my heart.
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But if you were to say to me, of course you're triggered in
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That pain.
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Of course, now what do you need?
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Do you need us to talk about it?
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Do you need to see my phone?
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Do you need to see my computer?
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Like, it makes perfect sense why you're worried right now.
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And if that's your response when we're trying to rebuild trust,
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Then that goes a long way of making me feel safe again.
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And remember, trust, the things that are necessary, safety
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And connection.
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Kirk: man, man, man, that is so good, and all of that is here to
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Read, to underline, to dog ear, and to highlight.
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This is so important, because i know that i have done that.
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I think in my mind i wanna be like that was in the past, i
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Have owned that, and i have confessed it to you and to god.
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Are we still dealing with that?
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Do we want to just live in the past?
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And that's me rushing.
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Lysa: oh yeah, absolutely.
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Well, here's what you have to remember, every hurt or every
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Trauma is two parts.
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It's fact and impact.
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So you've dealt with the fact of what happened, but you have to
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Remember the impact.
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There was a cost to the person who got hurt, and the triggers
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That they have in pain, like they'll see--like, i remember
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One time, you know, after my first marriage ended in a very
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Tragic, unwanted divorce, i didn't want to be in a
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Relationship for a very long time.
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Eventually i meet someone, fall in love, and one day he was
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Going out of town, and he just wheeled his suitcase away
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Quickly, and i got so overwhelmed with pain.
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And it's not because he did anything wrong, it's because in
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My first marriage, him turning and wheeling the suitcase away
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Meant that he was going, and he was gonna get in trouble, like
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He was being unfaithful.
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And so totally different person, totally different scenario, but
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The principle still applies.
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Kirk: it makes total sense why you--
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Lysa: exactly, it was just too close to what had
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Happened before.
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And so i knew that i could trust who is now my husband, his name
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Is chaz, when he said, "it makes perfect sense to me why that
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Bothered you.
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Now, what do you need?"
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And that built so much safety in my heart.
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So, i just think it's important.
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In the book we have--i have a whole list of ways that trust
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Needs to be repaired.
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And so i encourage people, if you've had your trust broken,
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And you're both willing to work on the relationship, go through
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The book together and go through those stages of repair, and it
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Will make a huge difference.
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Kirk: now, you also did some fascinating research on lying
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And how these statistics have opened your eyes to better
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Understand why we struggle so much with trusting people.
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Unpack that for us.
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Lysa: that's right, okay, so the statistic is on an average day,
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A man lies about six times a day and a woman lies about three or
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Four times a day.
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So that's a lot of lies.
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And i remember thinking that's just not true.
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Like, i'm a very truthful person.
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But it's these little compromises, and sometimes we do
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It to try to protect someone, like, you know, do you like what
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I'm wearing?
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And then just to be kind, we'll say yes.
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So, you know, and that's not exactly true, you know?
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But so sometimes these are like necessary stretches of truth so
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You don't hurt someone else's feelings.
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But if we really get honest with ourselves, it is something that
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We do to protect ourselves.
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We just shift the truth a little bit to make ourselves look
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Better, to make ourselves appear more responsible, to make
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Ourselves, you know, appear more godly, whatever it is.
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So i do think we have to be very committed to the truth.
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In the bible, the word for trustworthy is batah,
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B-a-t-a-h, interesting.
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When it is directed toward god, it's always in a positive sense,
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But when the word batah is directed to humans, it's almost
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Always in a negative sense.
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So i think that's fascinating, and it's not at all that we
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Shouldn't trust other people at all.
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You know, we don't want to withdraw and isolate.
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But it is something where we have to recognize that all
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Relationships are risky.
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All relationships, we're eventually gonna have our trust
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Broken in small ways, sometimes big ways, so it is crucial that
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We learn these principles of trust repair and that we work
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On them.
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And so that's why i did a lot of work to help not just help
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Repair the big trust issues but the everyday issues.
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You know, and trust can be broken, like if you tell your
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Wife that you're going to pick something up at the grocery
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Store on your way home, and you show up with nothing, that's not
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An integrity issue, but it is a responsibility issue, and
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Irresponsibility over a stretch of time can become a major
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Trust issue.
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Kirk: yeah, yeah, that makes so much sense.
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Why do you think it is that when our trust has been broken, we
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Are so tempted to replace trust repair with control.
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I'm just going to make sure this doesn't happen again.
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Lysa: yes, well, that's so interesting, because my next
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Book is on control, making peace with what i can't control.
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I think here's the deal.
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Control is really fear disguised as strength.
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We wanna appear strong, but we feel afraid of the choices that
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Other people are making, and so we compensate that fear by
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Trying to control.
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And here's the truth, sometimes we get into control situations
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Because we need the other person to be okay so we can feel okay.
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And here's how we know that we've crossed over from being
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Just a good person in that relationship and being
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Responsible to help the other person to trying to control that
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Person because we're afraid of what the consequences might be
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Of their choices.
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And here's how we know.
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I need you to be okay so i can be okay, so how can i make
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You okay?
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Because i wanna feel okay, okay?
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And so that's where we're stepping from being a
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Responsible helper in a relationship to stepping over to
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I have to control, and the mantra of being a good,
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Responsible person in a relationship is i will manage
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Only what is within my ability to manage, and i will trust god
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With the outcome.
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If you stepped over in control, that's not the mantra at all.
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The mantra is i'm only willing to accept the outcome that i
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Want, therefore i will only trust myself.
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Kirk: hmm, i wanna unpack this and and so much more.
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We're gonna be back to talk with lysa about how to move forward
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After being hurt.
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And then later in the program, laurie polich short will share
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Ways on how to see god working in every aspect of your life, so
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Don't go away.
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Laurie: and i always say if you're in a hard, dark place,
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That is not the end of your story.
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If you got up this morning, and you're still breathing, god is
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Still at work in this.
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Kirk: speaker and author lysa terkeurst is with us today
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Discussing how to heal and press on after experiencing betrayal
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In hurtful relationships.
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Lysa, this is all so important.
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People's minds are being blown right now, and i'm so excited
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For them to get this book and to give it out as gifts.
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Next question for you, you have a chapter where you talk about
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The difficulty in trusting god after you've been hurt and
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Betrayed when you recognize that this happened on his watch.
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Lysa: that's right.
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Kirk: god, i'm not sure i'm okay with what you allow in your
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Version of caring for me.
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Lysa: yes, and i wrestled through this so much, because my
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Ex-husband, when we were still married, he was living a double
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Life, and i had no idea, and by the time that i found out what
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Was happening, it was a very serious situation, and i
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Remember feeling betrayed by my husband for sure, and i felt
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Betrayed by some of the people that were supporting him and not
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Supporting me, but at the end of the day, when i would get really
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Quiet and lay in my bed, if i was super-honest, i felt
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Betrayed by god, because i knew he saw what was happening, and
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He didn't stop it, and that caused me so much confusion and
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So much angst.
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And i think it's appropriate to wrestle through those kinds of
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Situations with god.
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And here's where we get in trouble, or here's where i get
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In trouble.
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I won't put this on you, but here's where i get in trouble.
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Sometimes when things happen, i wanna assume that i know what a
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Good god should do, and so i have a whole script, a whole
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Narrative of what i think a good god should do, and i try to put
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Human reasoning, human limited perspective onto what god has
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Allowed, and it just won't work.
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Because the reality is i know god loves me, and so i don't
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Understand what he allowed, but i have to wake up every day and
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Filter what i'm experiencing through this reality.
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God is good, god is good to me, and god is good at being god,
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And i don't understand it, and i don't like it, but chasing the
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Answers to why god allowed this to happen will never ease the
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Ache of hurt in my heart.
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So, one of my favorite places to turn to in scripture is mark
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Chapter 14, starting in verse 32, when jesus is about to go to
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The cross in the garden of gethsemane.
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Jesus, fully man, fully god, and so he knows everything, he has
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The answer to every question, and do you know what he prays
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When he's in that garden of gethsemane?
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"my soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death."
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You see, jesus had the answer to every question.
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Having the answers of why this happened didn't ease the ache of
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His sorrow.
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And so we can chase questioning god, we can chase trying to
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Figure it all out, we can spend long seasons of time being angry
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At god, but the reality is none of those answers are gonna ease
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The ache of our sorrow either.
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And so that, to me, has been my journey with the lord.
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Romans 8:28, which is what we quote a lot, you know, that god
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Can work good, like work for the good, and he will do good even
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When hard things happen to us.
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But we can't divorce romans 8:29.
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The good that god promises us is not often what we dream up in
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Our mind.
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The good, as romans 8:29 says, is to be conformed in the
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Likeness and image of his son.
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That's the good that god will work in the midst of
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Any heartbreak.
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And so i know that the more i'm conformed to the likeness and
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The image of god's son, the better i can weather getting my
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Trust broken.
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Kirk: lysa, you have a chapter in your book where you offer a
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List of very helpful relationship red flags.
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This is really important to me on a number of levels, and one
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Of them is, you know, if you're already in a relationship where
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You have been hurt and betrayed, how am i going to deal
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With that?
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Maybe it's a marriage relationship, and i'm in it for
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The long haul, unless there's extenuating circumstances like
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You had experienced.
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But for others, they're like wait a minute, i'm not locked
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In yet.
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What are the red flags?
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What should i be looking for?
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Lysa: yeah, well, again, remember, is that person seeking
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Your highest good?
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And are you seeking that person's highest good?
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And if the answer to that is that you are in love with
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Potential rather than reality, that in and of itself shows me
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You're probably overlooking some really important red flags
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Right now.
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And this is the most important thing that we have to remember,
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Red flags will turn into roots of distrust in a relationship,
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And you know that trust is built, time plus believable
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Behavior, and trust is the oxygen of all relationships.
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So if there is behavior that is lying or omitting the truth, if
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There are things that you think, huh, i really wish they wouldn't
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Do that, but i think i can fix them.
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Any concept like that, i think if--maybe that's happening
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Because we're dating, if we only get married, then that will
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Get better.
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No, no, no, and no.
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You've got to talk through those red flags, and for me, i had to
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Train myself to actually call a red flag red, because sometimes
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These red flags would appear, and i'm so kind, and i'm such an
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Empath that the red flag would have to be literally burned down
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To a crisp on the ground before i go, oh, that was kind of red,
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Wasn't it?
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No, we've got to take a step back, and we've got to recognize
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Red flags will become roots of distrust in the relationship as
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It plays out over time.
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So it's important that we talk about those, and if we can't see
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Them, but other people can see them, we need to listen to
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Their wisdom.
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Kirk: that's right, lysa, you talk about the difference
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Between blind trust and wise trust.
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Can you unpack that for us?
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Lysa: i think sometimes when christians walk through a
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Forgiveness journey with someone, i think we somehow in
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Our mind think that if we have truly forgiven that person, that
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We automatically trust them, and that's just not true.
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Trust is an absolute opportunity to see if that relationship is
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Gonna be--if it's wise to continue it or not.
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Forgiveness is a command by god, but reconciliation is very
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Dependent on many things, and certainly, if that person
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Continues to break our trust, then we should never give them
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Blind trust.
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We should use wisdom to decide if we should trust them or not.
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And that's, you know, sometimes distrust is the wisest choice to
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Make, and we can fully forgive someone and yet not jump right
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Back into a relationship with them.
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Kirk: that's right, i can give someone my credit card, but when
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They steal money from me, i don't continue to give them my
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Credit card.
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Lysa: that's right.
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Kirk: if they hurt my children, i don't continue to ask them
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To be the babysitter.
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Lysa: that's right.
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Kirk: even though we've forgiven them, even though it's all good
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With god between you and them, if you've come to a place of
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Honesty, humility, and repentance, but that doesn't
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Mean that i need to be your b-f-f anymore.
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Lysa: that's exactly right.
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And you know, some people get confused as christians.
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It's like, well, jesus said we are to lay down our life.
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Jesus modeled laying down his life.
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But the reality is jesus laid down his life to accomplish a
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High and holy purpose.
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He did not lay down his life to enable bad behavior to continue.
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Kirk: how do you continue to trust god when god allowed the
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Betrayer to get away with it?
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They didn't get caught.
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Everybody else believes them.
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They pulled off the perfect crime, and i'm the victim.
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How do i trust god when he never brought them to justice?
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Lysa: well, one thing we have to remember is we have to get into
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The scripture, and here's what i know, god will not be mocked,
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And god brings equal measures of justice and mercy, and there may
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Be a season of mercy.
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The kindness of god maybe is there to try to lead them to
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Repentance, you know?
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But every time someone commits a sin, the consequence of that sin
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Is built in even the pleasure of that sin.
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So they're not getting away with it.
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It may look like they're getting away with it for a season, but
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When they commit a sin against you, the consequence for that
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Sin is built in, and they will have to pay the price for
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That sin.
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Kirk: that's right, it's inescapable.
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I was just reading that in the scriptures this morning.
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I believe it was psalm 73, you know, i consider the fate of the
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Wicked, and, you know, before it was like these fat cats are
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Strutting around, their words are just like flying out of
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Their mouth, they're healthy and strong, they don't have problems
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Like everybody else, and then i went into the house of the lord,
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And i remembered the fate of the wicked.
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And you're right, is that--god will not be mocked, your sin
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Will find you out.
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At the end of the day, god is going to work all things
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Together for good, and sometimes that consequence is delayed, but
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It's always worse than we think, and so.
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Even with our enemies there is room to have compassion on them,
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Because we know that the justice of god doesn't sleep forever.
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And he's shown us mercy when he could have shown us justice, and
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We would have gone up in a puff of smoke just like that, but we
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Didn't because of his kindness.
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Lysa: yeah, and here's what's interesting too.
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I had a conversation with someone who was the betrayer in
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Their relationship, and i just-- i asked, i said, you know, it
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Appeared for a long stretch of time that you were just living
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Your best life, like rainbows and unicorns, and, you know, it
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Was very confusing.
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And i remember she looked at me, and she said, "never mistake
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Outside light for inside darkness."
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She goes, "yeah, of course, i needed everything to look like
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It was all rosy and wonderful."
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And she said, "but the darkness was so deep and so blinding and
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So hurting."
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I mean, it was just overwhelming, as she
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Described it.
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So, we can look at someone's outside, and we can think, man,
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They really seem like they're living the best life, got away
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With it, but there is some darkness they're dealing with
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Inside that's overwhelming.
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Kirk: i want to ask you about the section in your book that
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You say the real secret is really healing.
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What is that about?
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Lysa: so at some point we have to put a stake in the ground and
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Declare that we deserve to stop suffering because of what
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Another person did.
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Is it fair?
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No, it's not fair, never be fair.
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Do you wish that the other person would fall on their knees
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And say they're sorry?
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A hundred percent we do.
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But if that person never says they're sorry, they never own
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What they did, we've got to make the choice to detach our ability
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To heal from choices they may never make, and so we may never
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Have that epic conversation.
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But we can put a stake in the ground and declare i deserve to
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Stop suffering because of what another person has done to me.
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My choice to heal is my choice to live and move forward.
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And i think that's really important.
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We can hold up the banner of victim, or we can hold up the
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Banner of victory, but we can't hold up both at the same time.
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Kirk: lysa, thank you so much.
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The book is "i wanna trust you, but i don't,"
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And people need to read this.
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And i'm so excited for your next book.
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Will you come back when that comes out?
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Lysa: i would love to, i would love to.
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Kirk: thank you so much.
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After the break, laurie polich short will share
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How to trace god's hand at work
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In all the circumstances of your life,
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Strengthening your trust in him, so don't go away.
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Kirk: how do you know god is actually present and working in
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Your life?
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Well, my next guest, popular speaker and author,
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Laurie polich short, is with us today to share her insight from
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Her latest book, "tracking god in your life: how to see god's
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Work in your past, experience his presence, and trust him with
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Your future."
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Laurie, thanks so much for joining us on "takeaways."
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Laurie: thank you for having me, kirk.
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Kirk: now, you're really focusing here on helping people
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See god's work in their life, but god doesn't have a body like
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Ours, so is it even possible to see an invisible god?
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Laurie: actually, i bring that up right away in the book,
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Because i think that's a big question.
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How do we actually see something that's invisible?
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And there are a lot of things that are invisible that we know
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Are there, like the air that we breathe and the wind that we see
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The effects of, and our thoughts.
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We don't see any of those things, but we know they're
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There because of their effects, and that is how we know god
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Is there.
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It's the way he's moving and working in the world.
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Kirk: you know, i've always wanted to better understand what
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The bible means when it says that god gives us eyes to see.
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He gives us eyes of faith, and yet i wanna just see like i'm
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Seeing you right now, but faith is this component that god does
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Not allow us to remove, and instead, he gives us eyes that
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Can actually see even though he's invisible.
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Laurie: yeah, i mean, well, hebrews 11:1 says faith is being
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Sure of what you hope for and certain of what you do not see.
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And so in a sense it's god's love language that we love him
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By faith, that we know him by faith, that we don't see him
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With our eyes, but we see him through so many other senses and
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Through what he does in our lives as well.
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Kirk: which i just happen to think that that is just a
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Brilliant component of god's plan of maturing us.
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I always, as an atheist, wanted to just obliterate faith and not
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Realizing that faith was part of my atheist story as well.
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I believed in all sorts of things that i couldn't prove,
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Like the universe exploded out of nothing, but god grants a
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Special kind of faith, and that's what your book is all
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About is being able to see god working and moving in your life.
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Why did you write this?
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What made you want to help people track god moving in
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Their life?
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Laurie: well, i've written some books about helping people see
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God when life is hard or mysterious or you don't know
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What god is doing, and i finally got to the place where i thought
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I need to give people some tools so that they can find their own
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God stories.
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I mean, i've been a speaker for a very long time and told my
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Story, and people would say your stories are so incredible, and
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I'm like you have them too.
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It's just that i do this for a living.
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And so this book really helps people excavate their own
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Stories and see where god has worked in ways that they
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Probably haven't noticed before.
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It's not just a timeline, it's really taking them through
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Different ways to see god in their life so that when they're
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Confused or in the dark, or you're in the middle of a story,
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You will remember what god has done and how he's worked and
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Think to yourself i just need to wait right now.
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I need to look at where god might be that i'm not looking
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Instead of the place that he's not that i wish he was and just
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Wait and watch, and i think that's what this book helps
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You do.
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So it's not just looking back, but it's looking back so you can
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Lean into faith when you are in the dark.
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Kirk: you know, i think you're so right.
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I have struggled at times to see god working in my life, and i
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Remember listening to other people introduce me to a friend,
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And they introduced me by telling the story as they saw it
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From their perspective.
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There was this kid on this tv show, and he didn't believe in
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God, and then god reached down and opened his eyes through a
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Girl that he met on the set, and it turned out that he would then
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End up witnessing to atheists later on and championing, you
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Know, pro-life and christian education, and i'm thinking,
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Wow, that--he's talking about me.
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You know, god was at work when i never saw him at work, and i
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Think when you, through your book, help us to see that god's
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Been writing a story, and we're somewhere in the middle chapter
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Of that story, and he's not finished yet, it gives us
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Great hope.
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Laurie: yes, absolutely, because we know that as we're living
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Something, we don't really see what god is doing, and the way
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We know that is by looking back at some of our stories, because
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If we had stopped those stories in the middle, we would have
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Never imagined that they would have taken the twists and turns
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That they did, and i think that that's why i want the reader to
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Look back on their own life, because you get so many insights
00:31:04.520 --> 00:31:08.357
About god doing that, that then you can practice in your faith.
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Kirk: laurie, what are some of the specific ways that we can
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Observe god guiding us in our life?
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Laurie: so i begin with the idea of footprints, and you remember
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That old poem.
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Kirk: i love that old poem, and so many young people have never
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Heard it today.
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Laurie: i know, i know, and it's so beautiful.
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Kirk: briefly tell the footprints in the sand story.
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Laurie: yeah, so a man is walking along the beach, and
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He's looking back at the footprints in the sand as if
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He's looking back at his life, and where he sees two sets of
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Footprints, he assumes that god was with him, and where he sees
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One set of footprints, he assumes he was alone, and he
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Notices that those were the most difficult and painful times of
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His life.
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So he cries out to god, "where were you in my darkest moments?"
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And god said, "that was when i carried you."
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So that's the surprise of the poem, that those were god's
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Footprints, not his.
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Kirk: it still chokes me up when i think about it.
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Laurie: i know, it is--it's such a beautiful story.
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And i think that's true in our own lives.
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Part of what i do in the book is lead you to places that you
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Never imagined god was.
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For instance, one chapter is on open and closed doors.
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Well, we know god's in the open doors, like when we get what we
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Want, and we prayed for something and it happens that
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Way, but we don't see that god was also in the closed doors
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Until we look at the whole story and realize that before that
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Happened, there was something that ended or something that
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Didn't happen, and god was in all of it.
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God was in the whole story.
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Kirk: laurie, that's exactly what has been the case with me.
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It's been the times that god shut doors, and i initially
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Reacted negatively that he was actually saving me from
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Something that now i see would have been so bad for me.
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He closed the door on a relationship, a business
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Relationship, a friendship, and he led me down another road that
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I didn't want to go, and it ended up being the best
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Thing ever.
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Laurie: yes, and sometimes god closes a door that's painful,
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And not every closed door are you excited about in the future,
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But what you notice is that in those closed doors, or maybe
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Things that happen in your life that are difficult and painful,
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God uses that pain as a connector to other people.
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And so he might have you sustain something that's hard to hold so
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That he can use it in other people's lives.
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Because i'm sure you've noticed that people probably come to you
00:33:43.245 --> 00:33:47.583
For the things that you've struggled with the most, because
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When you're going through something, who do you want to
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Talk to?
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Kirk: somebody who's experienced it.
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Laurie: exactly, and so i always talk about my own story, not
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Getting married till i was 49, which is every girl's dream, but
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It was the right time for me, and yet i now have so many
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People who come to me who are struggling with singleness
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Longer than they would like that i wouldn't have if i got married
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In my twenties.
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So that part of my story, that somewhat painful part of my
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Story that even though it ended well, i still carry that.
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And i'm a stepmom instead of a biological mom, and so i have
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All kinds of things that god uses me in that area to speak to
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Other people as well.
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And so i think we look back on our stories, and we notice that
00:34:33.795 --> 00:34:36.932
Maybe some of those things that you went through that were
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Difficult, and there's actually a chapter in the book about
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That, that god uses our weakness, our pain, the most
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Powerfully in our lives.
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Kirk: that's right, you really do go into that in your book,
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That god shows up powerfully in our pain and in our hardship,
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And during those times, some people question if god's there
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At all and could even shipwreck their faith.
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But i think you're exactly right.
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Sometimes when things are going so well, we just sort of cruise
00:35:06.862 --> 00:35:09.865
Through not realizing that it's only because of god that some of
00:35:09.865 --> 00:35:13.735
These things are happening, and it's in the pain that god
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Stops us.
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I know that in my own life there have been issues of pride or
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Selfishness that i was oblivious to until god turned up the heat
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And allowed me to experience the pain of some broken
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Relationships that actually helped me to see my own sin, and
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I'm so thankful that he did, because i don't know if i would
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Have those relationships anymore today.
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Laurie: absolutely, and so much of this is seeing the
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Whole story.
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And as you said, people bail in the middle, and i think what
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Happens when you look back and see the way god works is that
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You stay in the story.
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I have what i've developed the middle of the story theology.
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And i always say if you're in a hard, dark place, that is not
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The end of your story.
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If you got up this morning, and you're still breathing, god is
00:36:07.556 --> 00:36:10.359
Still at work in this, and you have to hold on.
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And sometimes it takes a long time, because i don't know if
00:36:13.495 --> 00:36:15.664
You've noticed, but god's timing is not always our timing about
00:36:15.664 --> 00:36:19.735
Things, and he has the long view of what he's doing.
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And what i try to do in this book is show you some of those
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Little ways that god is working, especially when you're focused
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On the way he's not working.
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I think we have to turn our attention to maybe some other
00:36:33.915 --> 00:36:36.618
Things that god is doing in our lives, and that really carries
00:36:36.618 --> 00:36:40.622
Us through those times.
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Kirk: that's so important, and i hope everybody who's watching
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Now is able to really tune into this.
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God is writing a story, it's not just the stories in the bible,
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But all throughout history, including now and into the
00:36:51.633 --> 00:36:54.202
Future, he's writing a story, and he's the perfect author.
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We're not the main character, christ is, but we play
00:36:57.539 --> 00:37:00.175
Supporting roles, and we each have our own story.
00:37:00.175 --> 00:37:02.711
And so you may be going through something very difficult right
00:37:02.711 --> 00:37:05.147
Now, but remember, god is still writing the story, and if he
00:37:05.147 --> 00:37:09.551
Takes out the difficult parts, it doesn't make it a
00:37:09.551 --> 00:37:12.387
Better story.
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What if the crucifixion was taken out of the story of jesus?
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That wouldn't make it a better story.
00:37:16.458 --> 00:37:18.660
If sauron was removed from "the lord of the rings" and all the
00:37:18.660 --> 00:37:22.531
Evil that he causes, would that make it a better movie or a
00:37:22.531 --> 00:37:26.134
Better book?
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No, it's actually the triumphing over the evil, it's the
00:37:27.469 --> 00:37:30.005
Redemption of things that are broken that actually make it so
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Compelling, and god's doing that in your life through your trials
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And your challenges.
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Laurie, i wanna get into all of this and the interactive nature
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Of this book in just a moment.
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After the break, we'll be back with laurie sharing how to
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Recognize god's presence, experience his direction, and
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Trust him for what lies ahead.
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Stay with us.
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Kirk: we are back with popular speaker and author,
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Laurie polich short, discussing how to see the thread
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Of god's work in your life.
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Laurie, i like how in one chapter of your book, you talk
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About how god often flips the script.
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Can you unpack that for us and tell us how that's happened in
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Your own life?
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Laurie: so, i think that when we look back, we realize that
00:38:27.062 --> 00:38:30.232
Something we thought was about one thing turned out to be
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Something else altogether.
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Kirk: yeah, just like the footprints in the sand.
00:38:34.803 --> 00:38:36.338
Laurie: yeah, exactly.
00:38:36.338 --> 00:38:37.672
Yes, yes, there's a script flipping.
00:38:37.672 --> 00:38:40.075
I mean, we see it obviously in jesus as he died and
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Good friday.
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You know, for two days they didn't know it was going
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To be good friday.
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We celebrate it knowing easter is coming, but they didn't know,
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The disciples didn't know.
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And so there's this element of surprise.
00:38:52.921 --> 00:38:55.323
I actually think god delights in surprises, and this shows up
00:38:55.323 --> 00:39:00.028
Again and again in our lives.
00:39:00.028 --> 00:39:02.197
You know, i went through a very painful broken engagement,
00:39:02.197 --> 00:39:04.633
Humiliating actually, because a lot of people knew i was engaged
00:39:04.633 --> 00:39:08.003
And getting married, and i was 42 at the time.
00:39:08.003 --> 00:39:10.872
And honestly, when you go through something like that, you
00:39:10.872 --> 00:39:13.809
Think, well, this is my last chance, and that's the end of
00:39:13.809 --> 00:39:17.546
Things, and then you wake up, and you go, okay, but i have to
00:39:17.546 --> 00:39:20.782
Still keep living, and i didn't know that i would ever get
00:39:20.782 --> 00:39:23.585
Married again, but what was interesting is i got a call
00:39:23.585 --> 00:39:26.955
About a job, and i wasn't looking for a job, but it was a
00:39:26.955 --> 00:39:30.759
Different open door that i needed to pay attention to.
00:39:30.759 --> 00:39:34.463
And i always say, you know, sometimes we're so focused on
00:39:34.463 --> 00:39:36.531
The door we want that we might miss the door that's opening.
00:39:36.531 --> 00:39:39.801
And pay attention to that door, because that might lead to
00:39:39.801 --> 00:39:43.905
Somewhere you need to go.
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And it was through that door of working at a church in santa
00:39:45.273 --> 00:39:48.410
Barbara that i met my husband and ended up getting married and
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Wearing the dress that i bought for the first fiance.
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My mom kept it in her closet for 5 years, and i think it was her
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Hope chest.
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But i thought, well, i had the right dress, i just had the
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Wrong guy.
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So that story turned out to be completely different than i
00:40:04.259 --> 00:40:07.462
Thought it was gonna be when i was in it, and i--
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Kirk: you never would have written that story, but would
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You go back now and change it?
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Laurie: no, no, because that is part of my story.
00:40:13.502 --> 00:40:17.372
In fact, when i share my testimony, people want to hear
00:40:17.372 --> 00:40:20.175
Again and again, oh, tell the story, because people love that
00:40:20.175 --> 00:40:23.411
Part of the story.
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When the surprise happens, why do we go to the movies?
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Why do we--you know, we would never go to the movies to
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See a--
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Kirk: the twist ending, it's the best kind of ending.
00:40:32.053 --> 00:40:33.755
Do you know, my wife and i were walking through our neighborhood
00:40:33.755 --> 00:40:35.757
Of a new house that we moved into, and we met an older lady,
00:40:35.757 --> 00:40:39.995
And she couldn't wait to tell us the story, and it was a story of
00:40:39.995 --> 00:40:42.764
How she had married her high school sweetheart, and they had
00:40:42.764 --> 00:40:45.634
Gotten divorced, and they had been divorced for like 20, 30
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Years, and then she became a widow, and he was a widower, and
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They connected back together over a hamburger, and they ended
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Up getting married again.
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Laurie: that's great.
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Kirk: it's this great story that they never would have written,
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Were probably just tragically disappointed and crushed over
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The way things went, and now they're back together again.
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Laurie: and i think it's so key that you mentioned that it's 20,
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30 years, because that's where we get lost.
00:41:09.658 --> 00:41:12.961
I think the waits cause us to give up on god, and he is on a
00:41:12.961 --> 00:41:18.033
Much longer timeline.
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I think we can look at joseph in the old testament to see that.
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I mean, you never would have guessed that he was on his way
00:41:22.137 --> 00:41:25.273
Where he was going.
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Kirk: never.
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Laurie: every single place that he ended up seemed like he was
00:41:27.976 --> 00:41:30.045
Getting farther from where he was going, but god's thread, you
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Can see by looking, even when he was in prison, the fact that the
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Pharaoh's attendants happened to be there, and then, of course,
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They forgot about him but then remembered two years later, and
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Then pharaoh had a dream, and then joseph ended up going from
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Prison to the palace.
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But you could never have written that story, and i think god is
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Doing that in our lives.
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And what helps is looking back to see all the threads that he
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Has woven together in ways you could not have imagined.
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There's a chapter on timing and coincidences.
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You know, we don't usually think about that, but god's at work,
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And all the time he's doing something.
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And a lot of times he's working in us as well as around us to
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Prepare us for what's coming, and sometimes he uses our
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Circumstances to do that as well to help us build character.
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I think about joseph as well, he built much more character,
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Because when he was a teenager if he had gone straight from
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There to the palace, he might have been a cocky leader,
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You know?
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And yet god just built that in him, and so god uses everything
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In our lives, but we don't love going through everything, but we
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Have to trust that he is in control.
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Kirk: from the start to the finish, from the cradle to the
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Grave and beyond.
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I think this is really important for young people who are saying,
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You know, i don't feel like god's writing a story.
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Like, i've got the whole story in my mind, i'm gonna get
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Married, i'm gonna meet the person, we're gonna live this
00:42:55.530 --> 00:42:57.899
Life of adventure and romance, and then it's not happening.
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They think is this even worth it?
00:43:00.502 --> 00:43:01.836
Is he even there?
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Is he even paying attention?
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You know, why doesn't he give me the things?
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I'm working so hard to be faithful, and i'm supposed to
00:43:06.207 --> 00:43:09.044
Have the result of this story, but he's writing something
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Altogether different perhaps than what you're imagining.
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And then the older person who may feel like my story's
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Finished, it's done, i raised my kids, i did the thing, and now
00:43:16.685 --> 00:43:19.721
I'm just waiting to die.
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No, no, no, no, god has got a story, and it's, oh, you got to
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Hang in there.
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You gotta just get--become friends with the author and find
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Out what he's doing.
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Laurie: yes, that is so true.
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Kirk: you designed this book to be interactive, and you created
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Blank spaces for people to write and to document.
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Why is it important that people journal what god is doing in
00:43:38.907 --> 00:43:42.310
Their life?
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Laurie: i think so often we read a book, and it moves us, and we
00:43:43.645 --> 00:43:46.948
End up writing in the margin anyway or underlining or
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Highlighting, and what i want the reader to do is interact.
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There's no pressure on how much you write or what you write, but
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I feel like it will lead you into--it's more of an
00:43:57.459 --> 00:44:00.428
Experience than a book, actually, because you are going
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Into your own life and seeing things that you never put
00:44:04.265 --> 00:44:07.669
Together before and never noticed before, and people are
00:44:07.669 --> 00:44:09.871
Doing that, and i'm so excited about that, because that's what
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I longed for in writing this book, that people would be
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Surprised at what they found.
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And also, there's a moving forward section of how do i
00:44:18.546 --> 00:44:22.884
Practice this moving forward?
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How do i look for god in coincidences and timing and open
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And closed doors and when the script gets flipped?
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Maybe, you know, i think that happens a lot, that we present
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God with our plan of what we want our life to be, and he
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Says, "thank you for sharing," and then does his own thing,
00:44:39.334 --> 00:44:42.203
Because he's never taken any of my ideas.
00:44:42.203 --> 00:44:45.573
But now i look back and i think, gosh, my story was so full and
00:44:45.573 --> 00:44:49.410
Still is so surprising, and i wouldn't have changed it, so.
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Kirk: when i look back on my life, as the story that it is,
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Boy, you know, he completely flipped the script.
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I never wanted to be an actor.
00:45:01.489 --> 00:45:03.258
Now i read scripts for a living, and i play roles of people that
00:45:03.258 --> 00:45:08.997
I'm not.
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I wanted to go to medical school.
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I wanted to become a doctor.
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My father is a school teacher and so are my grandparents, and
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So i never had any dreams of being a flaky actor, but god had
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This plan, and i go down this road, and all of a sudden i'm
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Trying to now get involved in christian media and
00:45:24.412 --> 00:45:26.247
Entertainment and education by sharing christ with people, and
00:45:26.247 --> 00:45:28.817
I just think god's story is so good.
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Laurie: oh my goodness.
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Kirk: it's so great.
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Laurie: ironically, i wanted to be an actress.
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I majored in theater arts at ucla.
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Kirk: oh, really?
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Laurie: oh, yes, and i was, you know, and that was right when
00:45:38.193 --> 00:45:40.161
God got ahold of me, and i still thought i would do something in
00:45:40.161 --> 00:45:43.398
Drama, and the only class i got a c in was speech, and that is
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What god had for me.
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Kirk: and now you're speaking over the place.
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Laurie: yes, so you never know what god is going to do.
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Kirk: you have a chapter in your book called "mirrors and
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Cliffs" that talks about taking risks.
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Why are risks important?
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What can people learn from this chapter?
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Laurie: well, it's interesting.
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I pair inward risk with outward risk.
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So the inward risk is when god invites you to look at something
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Inside yourself that you don't want to see or you've been
00:46:11.960 --> 00:46:15.096
Afraid to see, because he wants you to be free.
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And so he might do it in various ways.
00:46:18.433 --> 00:46:22.103
Someone could confront you and say something, or you might see
00:46:22.103 --> 00:46:26.374
That behavior in someone else, and god may be showing
00:46:26.374 --> 00:46:29.844
You something.
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And it's risky to look at our own weaknesses.
00:46:31.179 --> 00:46:34.849
And then the other risk is to do something you don't feel
00:46:34.849 --> 00:46:37.452
Qualified to do, and for me, it was speaking.
00:46:37.452 --> 00:46:40.555
I just felt all along the way i was getting these opportunities
00:46:40.555 --> 00:46:43.725
That people would have killed for, and i was like, oh no, i
00:46:43.725 --> 00:46:46.594
Can't do it, i'm too afraid.
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And my stepping out and actually doing that invited me into a
00:46:48.763 --> 00:46:52.800
Deeper relationship with god, because i knew that i couldn't
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:56.237
Do it on my own.
00:46:56.237 --> 00:46:57.572
And i think when we do something that we know we can't do on our
00:46:57.572 --> 00:47:00.775
Own, we experience god differently.
00:47:00.775 --> 00:47:04.112
Kirk: laurie, you also described how the ancient israelites used
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To pile up stones in places where god did something really,
00:47:07.949 --> 00:47:11.386
Really important so that they could tell the story later to
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Their children.
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How can we start to pile up stones in our own lives for our
00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:22.063
Own children?
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Laurie: so, it's interesting, they made stone altars, and they
00:47:23.431 --> 00:47:26.868
Did it by piling up stones every time god did something
00:47:26.868 --> 00:47:29.637
Significant, and i love to imagine other israelites walking
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By and seeing these piles and knowing that god had met
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Somebody in that place.
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And then some of them became altars that they returned to and
00:47:37.946 --> 00:47:41.015
Worship god.
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We know bethel was one of those places.
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And what i do in the book is i give you a pile of stones in the
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Last chapter, and so you take one thing from each chapter, and
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You put that in each of the stones so that you have a page
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With a pile of stones that you can look at and know and
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Document god's faithfulness just by looking at that page.
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And i think we need to do that all the time, and also for our
00:48:02.136 --> 00:48:05.239
Children, we need to be telling our stories.
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You know, i think that that's the best evangelism we can do
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For our kids, it's living your faith, not being perfect.
00:48:11.446 --> 00:48:15.650
None of us are perfect, but living your faith, your vibrant
00:48:15.650 --> 00:48:18.853
Relationship with god, and then marking those times when god has
00:48:18.853 --> 00:48:22.623
Done something and tell those stories to your children,
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Because they need to see that.
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That's what a real relationship with god is, i think.
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Kirk: that is such a great idea.
00:48:30.331 --> 00:48:32.867
This is making me wanna go home, go to home depot and get a big
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Pile of stones.
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I wanna go through this, fill this out, and i want my kids to
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Ask me, "grandpa, why do you have these stones in
00:48:41.175 --> 00:48:45.446
Your backyard?"
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"well, let me tell you."
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This sounds great.
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I hope everybody gets this book, "tracking god in your life: how
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To see god's work in your past, experience his presence, and to
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Trust him with your future."
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Laurie, thanks so much for joining us.
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Laurie: thank you so much for having me.
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Kirk: after the break, we'll review today's takeaways.
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Kirk: have you ever struggled to understand how trust is rebuilt
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After it's been broken, or how to trust god when you're in the
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Middle of a story that still feels unfinished?
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Well, in today's conversation with lysa terkeurst and
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Laurie polich short, we talked about wise trust, what it looks
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Like to repair broken relationships,
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And how to remember god's faithfulness.
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Let's take a look at a few of our takeaways.
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Trust equals time plus believable behavior.
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This is so important.
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Lysa said trust is the oxygen of human relationships, and we are
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Not to pursue blind trust, but wise trust.
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So, whether we've caused fractured trust, or we're
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Healing from it, repair doesn't happen instantly.
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Lysa reminded us that it has to be rebuilt over time through
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Believable actions and a commitment to safety
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And connection.
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A great example of this, she said, was the way that we trust
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Our children.
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We give it to them slowly, and then more and more over time as
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They prove to be responsible with it.
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Choose today to give it some time on purpose.
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Don't rush what needs to be rebuilt slowly.
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And be willing to give others time to trust you again.
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Don't overlook red flags.
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Lysa emphasized the importance of not just seeing the potential
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In a relationship, but being honest about the reality
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We're experiencing.
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Why does this matter?
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Because she said red flags don't disappear, they become roots
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Of distrust.
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So what do we do?
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Well, first, we have to call a red flag red.
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Talk through it, listen to wise counsel, because wisdom pays
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Attention to what's actually there, not just what we hope
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:14.296
Could be there one day.
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If you're currently experiencing a situation where you know
00:51:16.465 --> 00:51:19.935
Something feels off, take your first step by choosing to call
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It what it is, a red flag that cannot be ignored.
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Excavate your own story.
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I love this, laurie encouraged us to not just look back at our
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Stories, but to look back so that we can lean into faith when
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We feel like we're in the dark.
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This is how to begin that excavation.
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Look at the footprints.
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Remember the poem?
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These are the seasons where god carried you.
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Pay attention to the open and the closed doors and stay in the
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Story, because often the middle of a hard season is not the end.
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God seems to like to surprise us, and he's known for flipping
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The script, making our stories look completely different than
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We expected.
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Pile up stones.
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Just like the ancient israelites piled up stones to remember when
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God moved, we can do the same thing by writing down where he's
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Met us, maybe journaling his faithfulness.
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It builds confidence as we move forward, and it can become a
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Powerful form of evangelism, because we won't just remember,
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We'll actually tell the stories to our children and to those
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Around us.
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So here's a challenge, write down and share one of those
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Stories from your life with a child or friend this week.
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Well, that's all for this episode of "takeaways."
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Thanks for watching.
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And if you've enjoyed the show, don't forget to set your dvr so
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You never miss an episode.
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Lysa TerKeurst & Laurie Polich Short: Learning to Trust After Being Hurt | Takeaways with Kirk Cameron

June 22, 2026 | 53:25

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