Matt Hammitt & Robby Gallaty: Encouraging Men Toward Effective Leadership | Takeaways With Kirk Cameron

June 16, 2025 | 55:2

Kirk Cameron is joined by Matt Hammitt to share ways men can be strong leaders for their family and Pastor Robby Gallaty on God-honoring ways men can disciple and mentor those around them.

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Takeaways with Kirk Cameron | Matt Hammitt & Robby Gallaty: Encouraging Men Toward Effective Leadership | Takeaways With Kirk Cameron | June 16, 2025

Kirk cameron: what does it take to be a great dad or
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A good husband?
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How effective are you as a leader among the people that god
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Has placed around you?
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Today we're gonna hear strategies on helping men to be
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More successful in teaching and discipling one another.
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Whether it's your family or your coworkers, don't underestimate
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How much god is using you to influence others.
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To gain a better understanding about this, we're gonna talk
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With matt hammitt and robby gallaty on the best ways to be
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The best men we can be.
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So let's get to it right now on "takeaways."
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Matt hammitt: you know it can feel overwhelming at times, i
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Think, for men to lead in the ways that we want to lead.
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So i want them to know that they're not alone.
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Pastor robby gallaty: how much more do we, filled with the
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Holy spirit, can speak into each other's life insights we may be
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Blind to or may not even see.
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Kirk: it is so good to have matt hammitt with us today.
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Matt is an award winning recording artist, a songwriter,
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A speaker, an author, and my friend.
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For almost 20 years, matt has been the lead singer for the
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Band sanctus real.
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Passion for family is what led him to step away from sanctus
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Real in 2016 and spend more time at home.
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Matt details this difficult transition in his book, "lead
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Me: finding courage to fight for your marriage, children,
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And faith."
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Matt, thanks so much for coming back on "takeaways."
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Matt: oh, it's so good to be here with you, man.
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Thanks for asking me.
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Kirk: well, we're talking about strength of character
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And leadership.
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Today, we want to really dive into discipleship and
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Fatherhood, and there's no more important realm to disciple
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People in than your own family.
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Family is the dna building blocks of churches and societies
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And cultures.
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And the title of your book is "lead me."
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It's kind of, titled after the hit song that you had at sanctus
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Real called "lead me."
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What's the heart of the song and why did it inspire you to write
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This book?
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Matt: yeah, the greatest tension that i always felt being on the
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Road with sanctus real was trying to balance, i don't even
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Know if balance is the word, right?
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Like navigate that tension between family, career.
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I'm sorry, family dreams and career dreams.
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And so it was just always something that i was feeling
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Very deeply.
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And about seven years into being on the road, i remember my wife
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Just kind of having a moment where through tears she
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Expressed to me the heart of what her desire was for me as
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A leader, and a husband and father.
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And in that moment, god grabbed my heart and helped me realize
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That all the good intentions that i had about being, you
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Know, the kind of husband and father that i desired to be that
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My intentions weren't enough, that it was action that i had
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To take.
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It wasn't enough to just want or desire to be the husband god had
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Called me to be, but i had to take action steps to be
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Those things.
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And you know, that doesn't happen overnight, but that's
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Where i say i started my "lead me" journey, which is moving
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From being a man of good intentions to a man of action as
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The leader of my home.
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And so "lead me" was her words to me, but it's also my prayer
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To the lord just lead me as i lead this family.
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Kirk: i know there's a bit of irony to the story.
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You had a hit song called "lead me," and yet at home it's you're
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Struggling to do that.
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Can you unpack that for us?
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Matt: yeah, you know, it was hard 'cause i'm going out, i'm
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Singing this song about being a more present husband and father
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While the success of that song is taking me away from home
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Even more.
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And so you want to talk about the tension i was feeling when i
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Wrote the song from this kind of just prayerful desire to be a
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Better husband and want to like take those action steps to like
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Get things right.
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Well, now all of a sudden people are hearing this song and it's
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Making us more successful and i'm like away even more.
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And that was part of my refining process.
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The real irony was that it was also the song that when i was
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Out on the road and people were singing it back to me, it
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Ultimately was those voices that ended up calling me back home.
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So it took me away from home more, but then it also god used
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It to bring me back home in 2016 and make the decision to step
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Away from the bands that i could prioritize my family.
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Kirk: and i imagine that you're feeling this, like you're stuck
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In this impossible place of like, lord, i want to serve you,
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I want to be there with my family, but then i have
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This success.
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How can i really step through the door of opportunity here in
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Ministry when it's maybe costing me my family, but i can't
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Support my family if i don't work, and this is the dream that
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We have together, and she's praying for me, i'm praying for
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Her, but it's hurting us.
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You talk in your book about how those tense moments, if we're
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Self-focused, can feel like god's not being faithful, he's
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Not being clear, i don't know what to do, this is crazy, but
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There's another way to look at these struggles and tensions.
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What is that?
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Matt: yeah, you know, i think they're opportunity, you know, i
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Think obedience requires sacrifice and hard conversations
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With people that we love.
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And, you know, it is easy to look at those things and go,
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Yeah, how do i live my calling?
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And then well, two callings, right?
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How do i live both callings simultaneously?
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Not everybody can just up and leave their career.
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I certainly was called to do that.
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I think that the lord puts it in our hearts each season by season
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What we're meant to do, but those tensions are an
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Opportunity to have the hard conversations and figure out how
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We can pursue the dreams that god has put in our hearts, how
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We can pursue the giftings and callings that god has placed on
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Our lives in a context that is healthy also for a family.
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Those are not easy conversations or easy decisions to make, but i
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Think that god requires those conversations of leaders,
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You know.
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Kirk: can you explain to us a little bit about what you talk
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About when you say that when we embrace our weakness and we take
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Time to recognize where we're weak, that's when we see the
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Miracles that god's actually doing in our life.
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Matt: yeah, absolutely.
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You know, and the bible says that in our weakness, he
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Is strong.
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And i see that so much as a father.
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And that's, you know, with the book, it's like sharing the
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Weakness and the vulnerability of who i was and what god did in
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My life.
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You know, i think that that's a big part of what i want other
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Guys to take away from it too is just seeing that as we're honest
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About our weaknesses, we don't have to like just figure it all
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Out right away.
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You know, we gotta be honest about those weaknesses and have
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Those conversations with god and with others in good communities
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Of man so that you know in our weakness god can show us how he
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Is strong.
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And so i don't think there's any shame at all, you know, for even
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Strong men to be vulnerable and have those conversations.
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Kirk: i love how in your book, matt, you talk about your own
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Struggles and weaknesses so openly and you've said that
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People relate to our failures and weaknesses a lot more than
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Our successes.
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Talk about that.
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Matt: yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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You know, it's like if you want my trust, one of the quotes of
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The book, if you want my trust, don't just brag about your
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Victories, show me your scars.
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You know, because real life is made of things that aren't the
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Most appealing things to share with people.
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We have these highlight reels on social media that we put up and
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You know, i certainly love seeing when my friends or my
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Family get to do fun and exciting things, you know, i'm
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Happy for them.
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That's not the stuff that like makes me actually feel bonded
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With them, you know.
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It's the same in all of our relationships when we peel back
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The highlight reel and we're willing to show people the real
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Stuff behind it.
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That's the stuff that really bonds us in community with one
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Another, lets us know we're not alone, and as we see god give
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Others the strength in their weakness, we can start believing
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That he'll give us strength as we open up and show our
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Weaknesses as well.
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Kirk: yeah, one of the things in my own marriage with my wife
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After 35 years that i've had to learn is to embrace the painful
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Process of change.
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And you talk about this so brilliantly in your book.
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What did you learn in your marriage as you went through
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These changes in your career, change in your relationship,
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Having kids?
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What did that do to you and your wife?
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Matt: again, being willing to sit with grief, and sit with
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Pain, and sit with things we wish were different, that really
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Brought healing into our lives.
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You know, i've been having this conversation a lot with my
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Friends about how it's so easy for us to run to things to numb
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Or to medicate our difficult feelings.
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It's also easier for us, you know, to like just run away from
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Them altogether.
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But i think a really important part of manhood is the ability
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To face your feelings and sit in your grief, sit in your pain,
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Sit in things that you wish were different about your life, and
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Allow yourself to feel those things with god, and allow
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Yourself to process the things in your life that you wish were
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Different, that you need to change, the difficult parts of
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Your marriage.
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And i think for us as men as we sit with our wives and our
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Family in those difficult conversations and difficult
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Feelings, then that's the place where we can really
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Find healing.
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Kirk: so matt, what is life and ministry been like for you since
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You parted ways with sanctus real?
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Matt: yeah, 2016, i'd only been touring with the band for
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20 years.
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Kirk: can you imagine it's been 10 years since you parted?
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Matt: oh, it's crazy, yeah.
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And so i didn't know anything else, so i just stepped out,
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Like just my prayer was one simple word, yes, lord, yes,
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I'll step where you want me to go and from that point forward
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It was just one little step of faith at a time.
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And god has brought so many interesting opportunities.
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You know, i spent some time speaking with family life for
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The weekend, remember marriage conferences multiple times a
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Year for about six years.
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And most recently i actually, you know, signed with a a music
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Label, gotee records.
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And so i'm still making music, i've had the opportunity mostly
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Though to speak.
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Speaking has been the big surprise, that's been the thing
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That just keeps growing, and new opportunities and doors
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Keep opening.
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And so that's been actually a real joy to be able to not just
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Write a 4-minute song about my life and stories, but to be able
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To unpack them in a deeper way.
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Kirk: and tell the stories behind the songs.
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Matt: yeah.
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Kirk: i wanna talk about so much more and we're going to talk
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More with matt after the break.
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And then later in the program we're gonna be joined by pastor
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Robby gallaty talking about the benefits of discipleship.
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So don't go away.
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Pastor robby: the gospel came to you and me because it was
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Heading to someone else.
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Heading to someone else.
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Kirk: we're back with matt hammitt sharing his personal
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Journey in balancing career and family.
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Matt, i love this book so very much, "finding courage to fight
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For your marriage, your children, and your faith."
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I mean this is ultimately what life is all about.
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Now that you are an older wiser soul, if you could go back and
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Give advice to your younger self.
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Matt: yeah.
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Kirk: now that you know so much more, what would you
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Advise yourself?
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Matt: honestly, i would just tell myself that it's okay to
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Make mistakes.
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You know, i think for me, i was so worried and so terrified of
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Like to get it all right all the time.
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You know, it kind of made me a little bit of more of a people
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Pleaser than a god pleaser, i think.
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And so i think if, you know, earlier we talked about how it's
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So easy to kind of like run from your problems or, you know, try
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To cover them up, i think, instead of just sitting in them.
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And i think if i'd have been willing to like take a longer,
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Harder look at the reality of who i was versus who i wanted to
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Be, i think that i could have matured in a lot of ways a lot
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Faster, you know?
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And so i think now, yeah, just that ability to be able to like
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Look in the mirror and be okay with seeing the flaws and all
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Those scars that we talked about, and knowing that that's
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The path to change.
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Instead of like wanting to see pretending like i was the
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Perfect guy because i couldn't handle the pain of
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Disappointing somebody.
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Kirk: yeah, that's right, and i think that's the fear of a lot
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Of us as fathers, particularly, being husbands too.
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But i think particularly as fathers, it's like, lord, help
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Me be a good father, i want to be all about the right things,
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Faith, family, courage.
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And sometimes we just feel better about ourselves because
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We prayed that prayer, but like you said, it's got to go beyond
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Just good intentions, and wishes, and desires, and
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Thinking about it.
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I've actually got to make the hard decisions that put that
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Into practice to where my kids are saying, i've got the best
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Dad in the world.
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Matt: yeah, absolutely.
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And i think, you know, something i often mention when i'm
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Speaking is this idea, sometimes our thought life, actually our
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Imaginary thoughts about the things we want to do can
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Actually trick us into thinking that's the reality of who
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We are.
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It's like we have kind of an imaginary highlight reel of the
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Life that we want to live, that we play over and over.
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And sometimes we can almost forget like what our intentions
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Are versus what our real life looks like to the people
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Around us.
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Kirk: yeah, right.
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So if someone reads your book, "lead me," what's one thing
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You're hoping they'll take away from it?
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Matt: man, i hope they know they're not alone in this
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Journey of the hard work that it takes to be a dad and a husband.
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You know, it can feel overwhelming at times, i think,
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For men to lead in the ways that we want to lead.
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So i want them to know that they're not alone, and then i
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Want them to be able to see some of my failures and how god's
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Worked through those to know that god can step in and work
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Through their failures as well.
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Kirk: now, more recently you've partnered up with a pro-life
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Organization called save the storks, love save the storks and
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All that they're doing.
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And you have launched an initiative called dare to be
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A dad.
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Could you tell us what inspired that and what impact do you hope
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To have?
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Matt: yes, it's really exciting.
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So basically, you know, i've been an ambassador for save the
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Storks for a lot of years, love the work they do with their
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Mobile medical clinics, but one of the things i noticed as i was
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Going around and not just with save the storks, but also--
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Kirk: tell everybody what save the storks is, this is not about
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Endangered birds.
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Matt: yeah, not about birds, exactly.
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You know, it's just kind of a catchy little name, you know,
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That they started with and it's actually a pro-life ministry
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That has mobile medical clinics that goes around the country and
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Provide, you know, life-affirming women's health
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Clinics on wheels that help moms make decisions for life.
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Four out of five women who step on their buses choose life.
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Which is one of the things i love about them.
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But now they've expanded into other partner programs where
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They help build local pregnancy centers to serve their
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Clients better.
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And it's all donor-based, so, you know a majority of their
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Programs are free.
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And one of the things that i saw as i was kind of visiting
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Different centers around the country was that there was a gap
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In material and resources for dads.
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And i understand why most pregnancy centers obviously are
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Serving moms, serving babies.
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Kirk: they're saving the storks, come on.
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Matt: yeah, but we want to get more dads through the doors.
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We want to empower young dads to believe that they have what it
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Takes to be the fathers that god has called them to be.
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And so, you know, i would say like maybe one or two very like,
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Educational or clinical brochures, but nothing that like
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Felt like it was reaching off that shelf into a dad's heart,
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Just visually or the language in it.
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So what i wanted to do is create a program that we can put into
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The hands of dads that literally just kind of reaches right to
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The heart of who god designed them to be.
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And i wrote it in a way that i wanted to feel like, you know,
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Hands reaching into a guy's heart and just shaking him a
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Little bit and saying, like, wake up, look at all that god
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Has called you to be in your life and you can do it.
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And so we did a seven-session booklet and then we also did
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A seven-part video series.
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So the goal is to hopefully get guys to go through these seven
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Sessions on the fundamentals of being a man and being a father,
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And then try to pull him into the youversion bible plan to
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Grow as a dad in scriptural truth.
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Kirk: it's so good.
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That's so good, i'm so happy that you're doing this.
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And i know it's just going to be biblically solid, honoring god,
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And it's gonna be nourishing and encouraging these guys.
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Because everything you do is all about that.
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I know in this dare to be a dad program and then you have "lead
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Me," you're always encouraging men to step up, show up in
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Powerful ways.
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What's one thing that a dad can do to take the first step?
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Matt: yeah, i think that a good place to start is the, and we've
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Already talked a lot about vulnerability today.
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I think the willingness to be able to say to your kids, hey,
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Look, i'm not perfect, i don't have it all together, but i'm
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Willing to grow with you, and become the best dad that i can
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Possibly be.
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I think that is an amazing place to start just to open the gates
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Of vulnerability to show your scars a little bit to your own
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Kids and say, hey, look, i know i'm not perfect, but i'm
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Committed to growing.
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And i just think that there's something so powerful about
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Starting with that conversation that just kind of opens both
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Hearts to deepen the relationship.
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Kirk: have you found that it's helpful to get together with
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Your wife and say, let's make this decision together, like,
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Let's pray together about this.
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What do you think?
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I've got ideas, but what do you think is the best way to fill in
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The calendar?
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Because i know that at times you can feel like i'm two different
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People, you know, like, i go into the phone booth, i put on
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My superman cape, and i go out there and save the world with
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Ministry and all these other things, and then i come back
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Home as clark kent, and then i've got that world.
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I would like to say like, you know, let's decide this together
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So that i know when i'm away, that you're praying for me.
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I want you to know that i'm praying for you and that your
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Ministry is my ministry, and my ministry is your ministry, and
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Let's feel connected even when we're not physically in the
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Same room.
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Matt: absolutely, i think i couldn't have really said it
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More powerfully than what you just said the ability for us too
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To open our hearts and open our ears to what god is speaking to
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Us through our wives.
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So often i think as men, you know, we can get our own
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Bullheaded ideas about things.
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Kirk: but if your wife offers you a weird looking apple, don't
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Take it.
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Matt: that's true.
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Kirk: that's the one thing, okay?
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Don't trust her with fruit.
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Matt: but everything else, i think we can listen.
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Kirk: everything else just don't, don't ignore it.
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I'm sorry, go ahead, go back.
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Matt: no, no, no, honestly, i think that's a great word
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Of wisdom.
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Yeah, open our ears and our hearts to what it is that our
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Wives are saying to us can save us a lot of pain in life.
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Kirk: oh man. man, thank you so much.
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Thanks for asking god to lead you so that you can lead your
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Family, and in doing that, it's leading us to be better fathers
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And better husbands.
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Matt: thanks for having me on.
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Kirk: yeah, man.
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After the break, pastor robby gallaty is gonna join us and
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Share about the importance of discipleship for men.
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So stay with us.
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Kirk: we'd like to welcome back ilan sobel, the ceo of
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Bioharvest sciences, the makers of vinia, the red grape
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Circulation superfood for better blood flow that was developed
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In israel.
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Ilan, i'm so excited for you to share with everybody all the
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Different ways that vinia can be incorporated into someone's
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Daily life.
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Ilan sobel: so you have the full ranges here, kirk.
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A range that we've developed over the last 18 months.
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We have our critical capsule format, which is what we
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Started with.
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And as we know, we have the same amount of piceid resveratrol
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Inside each capsule as 1,000 red grapes, or a bottle of red wine.
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Of course, no sugar, no calories, and of course,
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No alcohol.
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The important thing, kirk, is that the average person on the
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Street does not understand how important blood flow is to
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Our bodies.
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And that it's the most critical part of our body's
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Operating system.
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But as you grow older, we start to have a reduction in the
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Dilation of our arteries.
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And that's why a product like vinia is so important to help
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You be operating at your full performance from a physical
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Energy perspective, from a mental alertness perspective by
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Significantly increasing the dilation of your arteries and
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Giving you more of that blood flow that's so critical for your
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Body's operating system.
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And so we wanted to provide unique delivery mechanisms for
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American consumers to enjoy their vinia with delivery
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Mechanisms that really fit with their lifestyle.
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So we all know america runs on coffee.
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Kirk: guilty.
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Ilan: okay, and the average american who drinks coffee is
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Drinking three to four coffees a day, right, in order to get
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Their caffeine kick for the physical energy that they need
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To get through the day.
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But we've redefined that for them with our new vinia
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Superfood coffee.
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And inside each of our k-cup, compatible coffee pods is the
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Equivalent of one capsule of vinia.
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And the combination of piceid resveratrol and great-tasting
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Coffee working together really makes sense for the consumer
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Because vinia lasts in your body for 12 hours.
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They get a little bit of the kick that they're looking for
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And then they've got the long-lasting energy from vinia's
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Blood flow impact for the rest of the day.
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Kirk: i wanna try this.
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Ilan: go for it.
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Kirk: that's good, it's delicious coffee.
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Ilan: exactly, so we're using 100% arabica coffee here that
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There's no taste compromise at all.
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You're getting all the extra health benefits with a great
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Tasting solution.
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We didn't just stop there because we needed to look after
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The growing portion of american consumers that are falling in
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Love with decaffeinated coffee.
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People drink decaf coffee, 'cause they don't want the
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Jitters or the crash from caffeine, but they don't get the
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Benefits of the end.
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So what we decided is putting vinia together with decaf coffee
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Is the perfect solution, because now, decaf consumers get their
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Energy from more blood flow.
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Kirk: now, many people love coffee, others love tea.
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Talk to us about the vinia-infused functional tea.
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Ilan: so when we launched the coffee, there was a protesting
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From consumers saying, look, if you're doing coffee, you've
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Gotta do the tea solution because there is a lot of
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Tea drinkers.
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I think, you know, the number's roughly about 150 million people
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In america are drinking tea every day.
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So we had to make sure we provided our unique vinia blood
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Flow delivery system in teas.
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So we have here a whole range of teas, firstly, giving the
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Flavor variety.
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We have your typical english breakfast tea, you have your
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Green tea, your matcha green tea, and a cranberry hibiscus
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Herbal tea.
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Importantly, all of our teas are organic teas.
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We're only utilizing organic tea, and they are all rainforest
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Alliance certified ingredients, which means we're working with
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Suppliers through the supply chain who are utilizing the best
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Of sustainability practices.
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Because sustainability is at the core of our vinia technology.
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Remember, in our bioreactors when we grow our red grape
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Cells, we're literally utilizing a micro-fraction of the land, of
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The water, and of the energy.
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So it's really important that we're working with partners that
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Have the same critical focus on sustainability, which is why all
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Of our other ingredients are all rainforest alliance certified.
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So why don't you try the cranberry hibiscus with vinia.
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So this is also our decaffeinated herbal tea.
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Kirk: delicious.
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Ilan: yeah, the color's beautiful and obviously, the
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Whole sensory experience together with the vinia
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Is great.
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Kirk: so the takeaway for me is that no matter how you choose to
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Take vinia, whether it's through your coffee, the decaf, or
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Caffeinated, the tea, or the chews, you're getting the same
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Clinical benefits no matter what.
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Ilan: correct, and this is really the whole focus for us to
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Bring consumers the choice of different delivery mechanisms
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That really best suit their lifestyles, giving them all the
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Time, that guarantee that in each capsule they're getting all
00:25:46.071 --> 00:25:49.141
The benefits of one capsule of vinia in their coffee, their
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Tea, ensuring that they have their blood flow benefits, that
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Extra physical energy and mental alertness that's such an
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Important part of people's lives because at the end of the day,
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Every day, you and me included, who does not need more physical
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Energy and mental alertness to make ourselves more productive
00:26:09.828 --> 00:26:13.966
And to really, you know, serve our communities and to serve
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The lord?
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Kirk: well, ilan, it's easy to see why so many people are so
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Excited about this.
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Who doesn't want to feel better and actually be healthier so
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That they can do a better job with what god's called them
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To do.
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To all our tbn viewers, if you want to learn more about how you
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Can try vinia risk free for 90 days, please call the number on
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Kirk: we're excited to have back with us robby gallaty, who has
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Been the senior pastor of long hollow church in hendersonville,
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Tennessee for the last ten years.
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In 2008, he began replicate ministries to equip and train
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Men and women in discipleship.
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He's also the author of many books, including this one,
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"growing up: how to be a disciple who makes disciples."
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Robby, thanks so much for coming back on "takeaways."
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Pastor robby: yeah, thanks for having me.
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Kirk: so the subject of discipleship is the longer i'm
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A christian, the more important i can see that it is.
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Because i long for mentorship, and i have young men in my life
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Who are longing to be mentored.
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Yet, so few of us have guys that we trust enough to open up to
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And follow.
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So talk to us about your personal story of mentorship.
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Did you have one, and what difference did it make?
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Pastor robby: yeah, that's a good question, 'cause people ask
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Me all the time, why are you so passionate about
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Making disciples?
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What i tell people is because i'm the product of discipleship.
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Last time i was on the show, i shared my testimony, a little
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Longer than i will now, but just a small truncated version.
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Just for context, raised in a roman catholic church, which
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Meant i was very religious growing up, but i didn't have
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A relationship with christ.
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Went to college at a southern baptist college and became the
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Evangelism target on campus at that time, and i heard the
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Gospel, but i wouldn't accept christ till seven years later.
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Moved back to new orleans where i was born and raised.
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I was training to be an mma fighter.
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Now kirk, this is not today where it's glamorous and you
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Make money.
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This is '97, '98 when we didn't even have life or health
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Insurance and we weren't making money enough to pay for the
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Doctor bill.
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So not a lot of intellect there but.
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Kirk: probably less rules too.
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There's way less rules there, yeah.
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Yeah, and so, but i was training mma and the guy said, hey, you
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Wanna be the head bouncer of my club downtown new orleans?
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Did that for a season, bouncer, bartender.
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I was coming home from work november 22nd, 1999, 18-wheeler
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Comes across two lanes of traffic, sandwiches my car in
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The guard rail coming up the high-rise of new orleans.
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And i went to the doctors.
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This was 1998, or '99, so this is the front end of the opioid
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Crisis, right?
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Purdue pharma, oxycontin is just coming on the scene, never taken
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Drugs before, but i'm 22 in pain.
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The doctor sends me home with oxycontin, valium, soma, and
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Percocet, 90 of each.
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And you know the story.
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I'm addicted to pharmaceutical drugs.
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Two-and-a-half, three-year drug addiction, had a lot of money in
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The beginning, but it actually destroyed my life like any sin.
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I went to two rehab treatments, finally came back from the
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Second one.
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I'm in my room and i thought, i mean literally this is what
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I thought.
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I might as well give jesus a try because i tried everything else.
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Eight friends were dead, drug and alcohol related deaths, six
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Went to jail, and i took the little bit of faith i had, and
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This is encouraging for anybody listening.
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I took the little bit of faith i had, which wasn't a lot, but i
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Put it in as much of jesus as i knew, which was enough to be
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Radically saved.
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And that day, 22 years ago, i was radically saved.
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But i didn't know what to do.
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Like most christians, i didn't know how to read the bible, i
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Didn't know how to pray, i didn't know how to memorize
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Scripture, didn't know i should have.
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And so i'm at edgewater baptist church, eight, nine-month-old
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Christian, and a blonde-haired, blue-eyed, looking 15-year-old i
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Jokingly say, guy comes across church one sunday by the name of
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David platt.
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Now david is an author of a book called "radical now," and he's
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The pastor of mclean bible church.
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But back then he was a seminary student.
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And david came to me and said, "would you wanna meet once a
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Week to study the bible, memorize scripture, and pray?"
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I said i'd love to.
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He said pray about it.
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So david, i already have.
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When do we meet?
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And for 2.5 years, kirk, we met every week twice a week.
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David encouraged me to go to seminary, david baptized me,
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David stood at my wedding, david took me on my first
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Mission trip.
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And so i tell people i watched this man unapologetically preach
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The word.
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I watched this man love his wife sincerely.
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I watched this man give his life to evangelism.
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And i watched that and i systematized what david
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Did intuitively.
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And so that's why i'm so passionate today because i'm the
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Beneficiary of discipleship.
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Kirk: that's so good.
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When you say two times a week, i think, man, do i have time to
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Meet with some other guy two times a week?
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And i know that i do, but it feels like my schedule is
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Too full.
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And i think most guys do.
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Why is it important that men in the 21st century make time for
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Discipleship in their life?
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Pastor robby: yeah, it's a good question.
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So yeah, just a clarification, i could probably not do the two
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Times like an average, you know, guy today who's busy and kids.
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So now i just say at least one time a week, right?
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So what i challenge guys to do, and i've led groups now for 22
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Years, obviously, just because of the impact of that.
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And so what i say is you need one time a week to meet.
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You could use more, but one's the bare necessity to meet.
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And so i meet once a week.
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I have three groups i'm leading, probably two too many, but i
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Have three different groups.
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But the group i meet with on wednesday night is a group of
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Men who are my peers, some are older, most are younger.
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And so we meet together and it has become kind of a lifeline
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For me and i'm a pastor.
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Here's what i tell people.
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Not only am i giving them discipleship information, and
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Learning the bible together, and growing spiritually, but i'm the
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Beneficiary as well because i need it.
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You and i need it.
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Here's what i tell people.
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Accountability has been a hijacked word in our day
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And age.
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People hear accountability and they think, oh, somebody's gonna
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Beat me over the head with a bible or a baseball bat, you
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Know, spiritually.
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Accountability is simply this, i'm gonna hold you responsible
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To do what you've asked me to hold you responsible for.
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So i go to you and say, kirk, i wanna be a better father to rig
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And rider, a better husband to my wife, candy.
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I need you to hold me accountable.
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That means every week when you and i look eyeball to eyeball.
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Kirk: yeah, how are you doing with those things?
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Pastor robby: totally.
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Did you do anything that you need to ask your
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Wife forgiveness?
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Are you discipling your kids?
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Kirk, how are you influencing your six kids?
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I'm asking you those questions too.
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Kirk: yeah, yeah, that's great.
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One of the things that i think is worth mentioning in your
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Book, "growing up: how to make disciples," you make sure that
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We're defining terms properly because we hear about
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Evangelism, you know, all that matters is that we share our
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Faith and get people saved.
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Well, that's good.
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We want people to go from darkness to light, from death to
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Life, but we also want them to grow up and not stay in
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Kindergarten christianity their whole life.
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So talk about evangelism versus discipleship
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Versus disciple-making.
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Pastor robby: man, you're on it.
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Those are the three terms i was going to define, so you
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Nailed it.
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So here's how i define it.
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Disciple-making, which is the overarching theme of the
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Disciple-making journey, is the top part.
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So that is what we're trying to do.
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Go therefore and make disciples.
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It's a verb.
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Under that you have two legs, if you will, that hold up the
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Mantle of disciple-making, evangelism and discipleship.
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And so you have to have evangelism or you're just gonna
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Keep discipling the same people.
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But you have to have discipleship because then you
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Have spiritually immature people.
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What i would say is you have to have both, and think of it this
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Way, they are two oars in the same boat.
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If you only have one oar you're just gonna go in a circle and so
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You have to have both.
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And the thing i found when i went to long hollow, the church
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I'm at for ten years, our church when i got there ten years ago
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Was highly evangelistic.
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And when i came i was excited because i thought i could easily
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Marry my passion for making disciples with an already
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Evangelistic fervor, and what i found is in 2 years people were
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Pushing back because they weren't hearing what i
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Was saying.
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Here's what they were hearing.
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When i said we wanna make disciples, they heard robbie's
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Against evangelism.
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He didn't wanna reach anybody.
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He wants to sit in a room, sing songs, hold hands, and memorize
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And quote scripture.
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That is not what i'm talking about.
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Because here's the point, kirk, until you have made a disciple
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Who has made a disciple, you haven't made disciples.
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So just because i'm investing in you and you don't take it and
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Invest in someone else, i haven't made a disciple.
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I jokingly say this.
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The 1st century they could have really justified that life group
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Of 11, matthias 12.
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I mean those 12 apostles, you gotta realize that was a rich
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Group, right?
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Every time peter got up, man, i love peter, he preaches in a way
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That steps on my steel-toed sandals.
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I mean, he's amazing.
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But then john, golly john, he weeps when he preaches, he's the
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Preacher of love.
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If anybody could have justified staying in that group of those
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12, it would have been them.
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But they knew from the beginning, and when jesus called
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Them on the seashore, he planted within them the seed
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Of replication.
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Here's what he said, "come, follow me," discipleship, "and i
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Will make you," it's a divine where i will make something to
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Come in you that's not.
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"make you to fish for other people."
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So the line i use in growing up is, the gospel came to you and
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Me because it was heading to someone else.
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And if that's the case, everybody in the christian life
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Is either fumbling the handoff, spiritual handoff, or they're
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Running with passion and handing off to the next generation.
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Kirk: okay, i wanna start getting practical.
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What is the master's discipleship strategy?
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In your book you talk about a four-part strategy.
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What is it?
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Pastor robby: yeah, so jesus is actually a four--you could
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Watch the progression of jesus in the gospels.
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Jesus called these guys, they watched idly while he did
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The ministry.
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So jesus performed the ministry and they watched.
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He would cast out a demon in a service, he would heal somebody,
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They would watch.
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Then there's a shift that happens where jesus allows them
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To participate as he does the ministry.
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So jesus does, they watch, jesus does, they participate.
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That's the feeding of the 5,000.
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Hey, i'm gonna let you pass out the elements, i'm gonna let you
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Pick up the baskets.
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But then there's another shift that happens where they do the
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Ministry and jesus assists.
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The example of this is the sending of the 70 in luke 10 and
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The sending of the 12 in luke 9.
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He sends them out, but then when
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They come back, you need feedback, and critique, and
00:37:08.018 --> 00:37:10.988
Constructive criticism, you know?
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But at the end when he gives them the charge, "go therefore,
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Make disciples of all nations.
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I'm gonna fill you with the holy spirit and you're gonna be
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My witnesses," then he leaves.
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And now, in a sense, jesus watches, they do the ministry.
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But here's the cool thing about the christian life, he never
00:37:26.904 --> 00:37:29.506
Leaves us alone.
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The last promise of the great commission is, "behold, lo, i
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Will be with you to the end of the age."
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And i tell people you can't say that god's in this ministry, you
00:37:36.613 --> 00:37:40.351
Can't say god's working there.
00:37:40.351 --> 00:37:42.753
But you can say, i mean you could say it, maybe question it,
00:37:42.753 --> 00:37:45.689
But you can take this to the bank.
00:37:45.689 --> 00:37:47.591
You can say god's working in this ministry when he says i
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Will bless what i've authorized you to do and what he's done is
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Authorized discipleship.
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"all authority has been given to me," you are authorized, "go
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Therefore and make disciples."
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Kirk: oh, this is so good.
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This is so great.
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We're gonna come back and talk more with robby about
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Discipleship right after the break, so stay with us.
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Discipleship right after the break, so stay with us.
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Kirk: we're back with pastor robby gallaty.
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All right, it's getting real now.
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We're getting into the actual strategies where we're opening
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Up the playbook and we're looking to see the four-part
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Strategy that jesus deployed to make disciple makers.
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I absolutely love this.
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You talk in the book, robby, about three relationships that
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Every believer ought to have.
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You ought to have a paul, you ought to have a barnabas, and
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You ought to have a timothy.
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Unpack that.
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Pastor robby: yeah, so, obviously looking at the gospels
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And the book of acts, i noticed that the apostle paul employed
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Or emphasized these three relationships.
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So think of it this way.
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Every person, and i would say every christian needs to have
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This in their life.
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Every christian needs to have a paul in their life, like an
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Apostle who's speaking into them, a mentor who's investing
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In them.
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But you also need to have someone you're investing in,
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Like a timothy, because you know as well as i do.
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You don't really learn a topic until you're forced to teach it
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Or to give it away.
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In fact, paul said in 2 timothy, "guard the good deposit
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Entrusted to you, timothy."
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That word "guard" is a fascinating word.
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It doesn't mean protect, lock up, and keep in a safe place.
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Guard means actually to preserve by giving away.
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So you actually guard it by making sure it's given to the
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Right hands in order to pass it on to leave a legacy, which
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Is fascinating.
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So we need to have a timothy, a person by name, and i would say
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It needs to be more than one.
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So in the book "growing up," i talk about make the case for
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Discipleship groups of three to five.
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And the reason i make the case for this is i've found in my own
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Life, one on one is good, i've done it, i even do it now with
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A guy.
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But if you could put two or three other men in the group,
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You grow as a group.
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So you have to have a timothy or timothys, but you also need
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A barnabas.
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So i have all these groups in my life.
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I have mentors i meet with, pastors in this town, a pastor
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In california that invest in me.
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I also have timothys i'm investing in, so the gospel's
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Coming to me, i'm giving it away.
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Kirk: and that's how it was just for clarification, paul was the
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Mentor of timothy who he was pouring into, and then barnabas
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Was who and what does that relationship represent?
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Pastor robby: yeah, so barnabas is his name, joseph barnabas,
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But his name is barnabas because it's a nickname because he was
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An encourager.
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Barnabas took up for paul.
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In fact, barnabas put paul on the map when everybody else was
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Saying, who's this joker out here preaching?
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We don't even know this guy.
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He's not even part of the 12.
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Barnabas was like, no, the hand of god's on him.
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And it was barnabas who protected him early on, which
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Really started this ministry.
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So i would say you need this.
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Kirk: my routine in the morning is i get up, i make a pot of
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Coffee, and i like to get into the word, i just finished the
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Book of mark.
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And i'm finding that i'm always finding fresh new things in
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There that i, and i've read through it a bunch of times and
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I'm coming back around and i just got through the garden of
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Gethsemane and jesus praying and i'm like, oh my goodness, this
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Is awesome.
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I didn't see this before.
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I know that i'm growing just by sitting alone with the word of
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God, the holy spirit working through the word of god.
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Why is it important that i get involved in a group and what
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Benefits will i find beyond what i can get myself?
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Pastor robby: yeah, it's a great question.
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So i wouldn't say one's better than the other.
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I would say it's a both/and.
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So i would say you need a personal quiet time with the
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Lord and the word i emphasize is unhurried quiet time.
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Because i'm good at hurrying, i'm good at box checking, i can
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Read a bible faster than anybody, you know, i could check
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Through leviticus 15, 16.
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But an unhurried quiet time with the lord is essential to buffet
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Time to hear from god.
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But the reason you wanna meet in a group, this is why, it's very
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Hebraic, it's very jewish, it's very jesus.
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Jesus never taught in isolation, very rarely in isolation, it was
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Always in a group.
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And in a jewish synagogue, if you go to a synagogue service in
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Jesus's day, this is how the service was laid out.
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They would come in, read the bible, you're ready for this,
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For 45 minutes while the people stood and listened.
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And they weren't passively, you know, falling asleep.
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No, they were engaged, some were dancing, some were cheering.
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Why not?
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Because this is the word of god.
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They would cry the word of god.
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Then the speaker for the day, luke 4 shows us this, the
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Speaker would speak for a whopping 5-minute sermon.
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Now if you're watching, don't get too excited about that
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Because there was a lot of preachers up.
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But 5 minutes and then here's what they would do, they would
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Break up in a community and discuss what they just heard in
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A group.
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Because they knew that god would speak through you and god would
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Speak through me.
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How much more do we, filled with the holy spirit, can speak into
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Each other's life insights we may be blind to or may not
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Even see?
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Kirk: man, i'd like to go to a church like that
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To tell you the truth.
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Because often there's not enough of the word of god in churches,
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But it's the pastor's weekend stories and the pictures off of
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His phone and some viral video.
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Now i'm not against all of those things and i love illustrations,
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But the power is in the word of god.
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I've never heard that before, but that's really, really cool.
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Talk to us about why discipleship is important for
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Everybody, but particularly for the men who are watching
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Right now.
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Pastor robby: yeah, let me speak holistically and then
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I'll get to this.
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Here's why and the audience will resonate with this because
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Everybody got administered this test unknowingly in covid.
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What i tell people is covid gave the american church a national
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Test on disciple-making, to see if we were making the kind of
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Disciples we thought.
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And by and large, most churches in america failed the test.
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We realized that untethered from the church, the average
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Christian didn't know how to read their bible, hear from god,
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Pray, have answers to their prayers, and lead their family.
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And so i would say discipleship is not an option anymore in our
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Culture, it is necessary.
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That's what i love about you, brother.
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You've always been a man of the word unapologetically and
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Getting people to grow in their faith, and that's simply what
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This is.
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Kirk: one of the challenges that i've found in groups, whether
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It's, i guess not so much a bible study group because that's
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Kind of like a little mini church thing where someone's,
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You know, teaching you the bible and you're listening.
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But when you get into an accountability group, the
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Challenge that i've found is sometimes you're like, man, this
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Guy over here is a poser.
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He's just not being honest.
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I know what's going on in his life and he's lying to everybody
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Right now.
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Or if i really am vulnerable, that makes me open to something
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I say today getting back to my wife, or getting to my pastor,
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Or getting to my boss, or a colleague who may rat me out,
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And all of a sudden, i've now just been sidelined by someone
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Who told me that i could trust them with confidentiality.
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And a guy like me who is, you know, has a public persona and
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All that kind of stuff, or a pastor like you, how do you make
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For a group where it can be trusted?
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Pastor robby: yeah, this is a great question, by the way
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Because you've nailed it.
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People would say, well, i'm in a discipleship relationship, i go
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To life group, or i go to sunday school.
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That's a part of it.
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If you were in a small relationship, particularly men
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With men, which is my experience, then you have
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A trust factor of accountability.
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In the back of growing up, i give what i give to every
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Discipleship group and that is a covenant we sign.
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And i tell people and some people say, well, i don't wanna
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Sign a covenant.
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I said you just bought a cell phone, had no problem signing
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That contract and didn't even read the fine print.
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You're gonna read these six things and know, but one of the
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Requirements and expectations are, you are going to keep
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Whatever is said here confidential to this group
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Because you want the same done to you.
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And then finally the last point is you're gonna pray about
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Replicating this group down the road because i'm big on this,
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Until the mentee becomes a mentor or the player becomes
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A coach, you haven't made disciples.
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Now they push back and say well i'm not ready to do that and
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I say, i know, but you will one day.
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So the way you keep it intimate and transparent, but also
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Confidential is you have an expectation by signing this
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Commitment to say, man, we're gonna journey together.
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It doesn't happen at first, kirk, but it will happen
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Over time.
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Kirk: what are some ways that men can discipline themselves to
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Find the time for a group like this?
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Pastor robby: yeah, i would just say you make time for what's
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Important for you, right?
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Like, we talked earlier, but if you wanna lose weight, you're
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Gonna make time to get up early.
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If you have a doctor's appointment and you have a
00:46:39.991 --> 00:46:42.126
Cancer scare, you're gonna wake up early, whatever time that is.
00:46:42.126 --> 00:46:44.862
If you have a kid playing aau football or baseball endless
00:46:44.862 --> 00:46:48.199
Games, you're gonna make time for that.
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Why would you not make time for your spiritual life?
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So i would say what you need is i would look at your calendar
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And find a time you're already coming to church or already in
00:46:56.173 --> 00:47:00.044
The mode of.
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So two ways to capitalize.
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One is we have the groups that meet on church sunday morning.
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They'll meet in our legacy park or they'll meet at the table.
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But most of the groups meet on wednesday nights.
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They're dropping their kids off already at age graded ministries
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And then they just go in the community or go on campus and
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Meet for discipleship.
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But the easiest way for guys like us would be over breakfast.
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Everybody eats breakfast, everybody eats lunch, so gather
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Together a group of men if you're a man or a group of women
00:47:26.637 --> 00:47:29.040
And say, hey, what you wanna get together to study the bible,
00:47:29.040 --> 00:47:32.009
Memorize scripture and pray and be a better father, husband,
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And leader.
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Most men in america when you say that to would say, i've been
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Dying for this.
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Or maybe you're saying i can't lead a group but i wanna be in
00:47:40.685 --> 00:47:42.887
A group.
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It'll blow you away how many people if you pray and seek the
00:47:44.255 --> 00:47:46.290
Lord, if you say, hey kirk, would you invest in me?
00:47:46.290 --> 00:47:49.160
I don't have anybody.
00:47:49.160 --> 00:47:50.528
You'd be blown away how many guys would say i'd love to.
00:47:50.528 --> 00:47:53.030
And it'll change your life.
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Kirk: so what would you say, in conclusion, to the guy who's
00:47:54.999 --> 00:47:58.069
Listening right now and saying, you know, i've been thinking
00:47:58.069 --> 00:48:00.037
About this.
00:48:00.037 --> 00:48:01.372
I think i need something like this, but i'm having trouble
00:48:01.372 --> 00:48:04.909
Just taking that step.
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What could you say that would push them over the edge and
00:48:06.377 --> 00:48:09.013
Contact your church or their local church or get this book
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And join or start a group?
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Pastor robby: yeah, i mean, we have a ministry called
00:48:13.551 --> 00:48:15.586
Replicate, which is basically the basis of that book.
00:48:15.586 --> 00:48:18.422
We can help, there's stuff online, the book can help, we're
00:48:18.422 --> 00:48:20.958
Here to help.
00:48:20.958 --> 00:48:22.293
But here's what i would say, i would just speak to the men.
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Do not underestimate the power of the word of god filling the
00:48:24.428 --> 00:48:28.532
Man of god with the spirit of god investing in the people of
00:48:28.532 --> 00:48:31.235
God for the glory of god.
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You have to remember, the disciples in the 1st century,
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They didn't have seminary.
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The disciples in the 1st century were fishermen, they were middle
00:48:37.475 --> 00:48:40.144
Class, hard work, but they changed the world for christ.
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So don't underestimate that.
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And secondly, i would say to the men.
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The men are the tide that raises all of the ships at port in the
00:48:46.951 --> 00:48:51.422
Church, in your community and in this world.
00:48:51.422 --> 00:48:54.025
Do not underestimate the impact you have in a home.
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The statistic is if a wife, the mom goes to church, i think it's
00:48:56.694 --> 00:48:59.697
Like 10% of the time the family goes.
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But if the man goes to church, 90% of the time the family goes.
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And i'm not minimizing women because praise god for them,
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They normally come.
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But when the husband gets excited, or the man gets excited
00:49:10.141 --> 00:49:12.476
About god, it is cataclysmic, kirk.
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It changes legacies for eternity.
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Kirk: man, this is so good.
00:49:17.515 --> 00:49:18.883
Robby, i'm so glad you wrote this book, everybody needs to go
00:49:18.883 --> 00:49:21.519
Get it.
00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:22.853
Thank you so much for coming on "takeaways."
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Pastor robby: yeah, thanks for having me.
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Kirk: after the break, we'll review today's "takeaways."
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Kirk: after the break, we'll review today's "takeaways."
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Kirk: it was so good to talk with matt hammitt and robby
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Gallaty today about how dads can effectively lead their families
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And be intentional disciple makers.
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Let's talk takeaways.
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Strength and vulnerability.
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Matt led us so well through a conversation about how god grows
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Men into godly leaders.
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We have to be willing to go beyond our good intentions and
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Decide to take intentional action in admitting our
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Weaknesses, surrendering ourselves to god's strength, and
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Transforming work in our lives, surrounding ourselves with
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A band of brothers to share our burdens with, and sitting with,
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Not running from, our grief, processing and allowing god
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To heal us.
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Choosing to lean into these good, difficult decisions is
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Choosing to allow god to lead us as we lead our families.
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Dads, you're not alone.
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You aren't the only one who's strived to be superdad and then
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Failed, or didn't make it home on time despite how hard you
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Worked to rearrange your day.
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I can go on and on with these relatable scenarios, but you get
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The picture.
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Now here's the good news.
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God is willing to work through our failures to make us into the
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Men he's created us to be.
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As matt said, maybe that starts this week with humbly admitting
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To your wife and kids, i'm not perfect, but i want to grow
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With you.
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Form a discipleship group.
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Robby gallaty shared the importance of having a weekly
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Discipleship group of three to five people that needs to study
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The bible and hold each other accountable for the things that
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God is calling us into.
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Ask refining questions like, did you do or say anything that you
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Need to ask your wife forgiveness for?
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Or how are you discipling your kids?
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Or how are you doing with, fill in the blank.
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We've all got busy schedules, i get it, but think about the
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Impact that this weekly meeting would have on your life, on your
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Spiritual growth as you meet with this group.
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We fill our schedules with a lot of things, but discipleship is
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A huge part of why we are here in the first place.
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As robby mentioned, we make time for what's important to us.
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So think through tonight, what is your next step toward
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A discipleship group?
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Paul, barnabas, and timothy.
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Robby challenged every member of the family of faith to have
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A paul, have a barnabas, and a timothy in their
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Discipleship journey.
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A paul is someone who intentionally mentors you,
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Speaking truth into your life.
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A barnabas is someone who is your encourager, and then
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Timothys, these are the people who you're discipling and
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Pouring into.
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Now you might not be ready to do this today, but like robby said,
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The goal is to be a disciple who makes disciples.
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So take some time tonight and think through these questions.
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Who's my paul, my barnabas, my timothys, who's missing on my
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Discipleship team?
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That's all for this episode of "takeaways," thanks
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For watching.
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Matt Hammitt & Robby Gallaty: Encouraging Men Toward Effective Leadership | Takeaways With Kirk Cameron

June 16, 2025 | 55:2

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