Mike Flynt & Ed Tandy McGlasson: Living Out God’s Gift of Second Chances | Takeaways with Kirk Cameron

February 2, 2026 | 52:45

Kirk Cameron is joined by former football players, Mike Flynt and Ed Tandy McGlasson, talking about their unique experiences of God giving them second chances at their dreams and calling.

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Kirk cameron: ever wish you had a do-over?
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If you could go back in time and change some things like bad
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Decisions, missed opportunities, would you have the courage to
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Do it?
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You may have convinced yourself that it's too late, and you have
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To settle for what might have been, but that's not
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Always true.
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No matter what stage of life you're in, with god, all things
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Are possible.
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Today we're talking with two former football players, mike
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Flynt and ed mcglasson, who through god's grace have been
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Given second chances at their dreams and their purpose.
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Mike flynt: god was opening doors, he was making a way when
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There was no way, and everybody was saying, you know, this
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Can't happen.
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Ed mcglasson: so what do you want me to do with my life?
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And this internal voice that's different than yours hits me.
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He said, "i want you to fulfill your dream and play
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Professional football."
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And i just--i was shocked.
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And i said, "you want me to do my dream?
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What kind of god are you?"
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He goes, "who do you can put that in your heart as a kid?"
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Kirk: it's all coming up on "takeaways."
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Kirk: at age 59, mike flynt became the oldest linebacker of
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A college football team in ncaa history.
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A longtime strength and conditioning coach at several
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Universities, mike is one of the five original founders of the
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National strength and conditioning association, which
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Now has over 60,000 members worldwide.
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His life story has recently been made into a movie taken from his
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Autobiography called "the senior."
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Mike, it's so great to have you on "takeaways."
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Mike: thank you, kirk, just an honor to be here.
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Kirk: well, man, i think that is a dream many people have, that
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Their life would become a movie.
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I mean, like your whole life condensed into 90 minutes for
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The world to see.
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And you have such a unique story of going back to college after
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37 years.
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And i wanna get into all of the details, but what motivated you
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To wanna go back to college?
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Mike: well, it was happenstance.
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It was nothing that was planned, but getting kicked out of the
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College and off the football team for fighting when i was a
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Senior, going into my senior year had become my greatest
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Regret in life, and i had--i'd lived with that for 37 years and
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Then found out through happenstance that i still had a
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Semester of eligibility left, and by the grace of god, you
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Know, i've said before that not every journey has to have
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A destination.
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I was always taking care of myself.
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I continued to run sprints, and people would ask me in my early
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Fifties, mike, why are you running sprints?
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And i just love to run.
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So the opportunity presented itself for me to have a tryout
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With that football team, and it was my ability to run that
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Caused the coach to say, "hey, i think that i'm gonna give you a
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Chance to make this team."
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Kirk: this is amazing.
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I mean, this is not like you joining the football team at 37
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Years old.
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This is 37 years after you got kicked off the football team, at
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Age 59.
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You're going in to finish your senior year of college as a
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Senior citizen, and you made the team.
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That's unbelievable to me.
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I'm so curious, what were the big differences?
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Here you go back to the same school, the same team, what were
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The differences, and how did the other players treat you?
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Mike: well, it was, you know, football has changed
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Dramatically, and it's still football.
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I mean it's just--it's amazing, and there's no--i don't believe
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There's a game out there more like life than the game of
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Football, and i think subliminally that's why so many
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People are attracted to the game of football, because of the
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Things, the team effort, the things that happen, and
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All that.
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But going back to play after 37 years, i had the same mindset
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That i did when i was younger but i'd never played in a
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59-year-old body before, and i didn't think there's gonna be
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Enough ice in alpine, texas, but the kids today are so much
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Bigger and faster than they were back 37 years ago when i played.
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There are guys playing running back that were defensive ends
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When, and so it was dealing with that, the rules changes that
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Were, i think, are better for the game, but it was a whole
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New landscape.
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Kirk: and how did the other players treat you?
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I mean, you were--essentially, like you were like their dad.
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Did they take it easy on you?
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Mike: no, no, that would have been wonderful, but no, they did
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Not, and they knew i didn't want them to, and so i developed
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Amazing relationships with my teammates, and one of my--one
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Of the prayers that i had that i'd asked god to enable me to
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Help a bunch of young men, if i can make this team as a
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Linebacker to help a bunch of young men that i don't even
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Know, but for me it helps make up for those guys i let down all
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Those years ago, because i was team captain, i was leading
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Tackler on that team, i was an all-conference linebacker, we
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Were picked to win the conference.
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I got kicked out, my team went four, six, and one, didn't even
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Have a winning season, and so i shouldered that regret and
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Responsibility, but my new teammates embraced me.
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It was absolutely a wonderful experience.
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Kirk: how did you come to jesus, and how did that play a part in
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You returning to college ball?
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Mike: i wasn't raised in a christian home.
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My parents loved me very much, they had no relationship with
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The lord, and so i went into life without that background,
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That reinforcement in faith, and at 34 years old, you know, god
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Knocked me to my knees, and i talk about it at length in my
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Book, and it was all through my wife, eileen, and her
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Relationship with the lord.
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But it was my faith that strengthened me in every area of
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My life, because i made it a point when i realized in my
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Profession of faith that--i didn't know anything about
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The bible.
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I mean, i knew eileen, i followed her rules, and we're
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Going to church, our kids are gonna be raised in church, but
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You know, i was, you know, had a very violent past and was full
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Of pride.
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I didn't feel like i needed somebody dying for me.
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Kirk: and so, how did that come about where you said i wanna be
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A follower of jesus?
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Mike: i started studying the bible, and it was--kirk, it was
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Amazing that i realized when eileen and i had a long talk
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About my lack of faith that i didn't know anything about god.
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I didn't know anything about the bible.
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I took out the bible, and i started--it was like eating
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Dry cereal.
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I mean, i read a page and think what did i just read?
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And eileen had bought a 16-volume set of bible stories
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For our children, and i took down number one, had pictures in
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It and everything.
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I read the whole 16 volume, and then i picked up my bible, and
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It made sense to me, and so-- but it was studying god's word
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And spending time with him that changed my whole life.
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Kirk: what was the bigger driving motivation for you to go
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Back to college football?
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Was it your faith in jesus, or was it regret that you got
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Kicked off the team?
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Mike: it was regret, because, you know, god says four, five
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Times in scripture that he chooses to remember our sins no
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More, you know?
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As far as the east is from the west, and so we don't have that
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Selective memory, and so the regrets that we have, the
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Mistakes that we've made, those things start to get magnified
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Over a period of time, and we have a problem.
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I had a problem in forgiving myself, and so that regret, that
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Team, those guys that i led, i was their captain, those guys
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Loved me, and they would play for me, and so i finally learned
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To manage it.
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I didn't share it with anyone, but i just--i had that
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Tremendous regret that when i found out that i had eligibility
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I thought if i can walk on and make this team as a linebacker,
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I can help a bunch of young men that i don't even know right
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Now, but for me, it makes up for those guys that i let down all
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Those years ago.
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And so that was my driving motivation to go back and play
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My senior year.
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Kirk: wow, man, i love this.
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I can't wait to see the movie.
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I know your dad had a big impact on your life.
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One of the chapters is dad had three rules, what were they?
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Mike: oh, wow.
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Well, dad handed me a set of boxing gloves when i was 6 years
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Old, and we started that day.
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He called it boxing, i was young, but i was pretty sure
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What we were doing was fighting, and so over a 7-year time
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Period, it was a weekly ritual where we boxed.
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You know, no matter where we were, we're out of town, we--
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You know, he'd get on his knees, and he'd box with me, and i
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Reached the point where i was too big for him to be down on
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His knees boxing with, i wasn't big enough for him to stand up
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And box, and so he said, "okay, we're done with boxing."
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He said, "but there's three things i want to tell you, and i
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Want you to remember this."
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If i ever hear of you starting a fight, you're getting a whipping
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When you get home.
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If i hear of somebody starting a fight with you, and you don't
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Fight, you're getting a whipping when you get home.
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If i hear of you fighting and you don't win, you're getting
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A whipping.
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Kirk: okay.
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Mike: so that was--and again, west texas, you have to
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Understand the football in west texas, the roughnecks in the oil
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Field and cowboys, and so if you don't mind fighting, there's a
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Lot of opportunities.
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I was a good person, i was not a troublemaker, but i became a
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Trouble seeker.
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You know, i didn't mind fighting, and if i felt like
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Somebody needed my help, i'd jump in in a heartbeat.
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Kirk: what have you learned about god as your father through
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This journey?
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Mike: well, it's been so amazing in my relationship with the lord
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And being totally shocked that here he is, the creator of the
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Whole universe and everything, and he wants to have a
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Relationship with me.
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And i was so overwhelmed by that, and it talks about in the
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Bible about us--we need to increase in our knowledge of
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Him, and his spirit guides us and directs us, but it was my
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Journey of increasing in my knowledge of him of trying to do
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Everything i could to gain a greater understanding of his
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Love for me and why he wants to have a relationship with me.
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But he's--you know, i've i've told people that how important
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Consistency is in our lives, because it's not what we do
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Every once in a while that has the greatest impact on our
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Lives, it's the things that we do consistently.
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And so i consistently--when jesus said seek you first the
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Kingdom of god and then all these other things that you're
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Praying about and asking for, they'll be added unto you, for
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Me that meant first thing every morning before i get into
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Anything else, i need to cultivate my relationship with
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My heavenly father.
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And so it was that bulwark, it was that foundation that when--
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In everything in my life is it's based on my relationship
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With him.
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Kirk: man, that's such a great word of encouragement to so many
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People who wish that they had a relationship with their
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Own father.
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Maybe that just wasn't possible, you know?
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A lot of guys who are not showing up for their kids used
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To be kids whose dad never showed up for them, and so they
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Never really learned how to do that.
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But all of us should remember that it's never too late to turn
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To our father in heaven, who's a good father, and he's a faithful
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Father, and he is a provider, he's a protector, he's all those
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Things, and if we seek him first, god will work
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Everything out.
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We can't change the past, like you said, but we can allow god
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To redeem our past by just filling us on the inside and
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Healing those parts and then sending us out to do what he
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Wants us to do.
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And mike, i wanna talk a whole lot more about your book, about
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The movie, about everything else.
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When we come back we're gonna talk more with mike about his
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Unique journey of second chances.
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And then later in the program, former nfl player, ed mcglasson,
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Will share his personal testimony of god guiding him
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From football to pastoring, so stay with us.
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Ed: god saved us so he could adopt us and make us his sons
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And daughters so that the core of who we are isn't, you know,
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Completely tied into what we have, who we know, pain, our
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Personal choices, but we have an identity that's unrockable when
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We get it as a man or as a woman.
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Kirk: we're back with mike flynt sharing his story of living out
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His dream, which was chronicled in a book about his life and a
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Movie called "the senior."
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So, mike, when people read your book, when they watch the movie,
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What do you think people can learn about how god is at work
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In their life, with their dreams, their hopes,
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Their failures?
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Mike: well, for me, it was god's guidance in the things that we
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Would normally call happenstance that, you know, we think are
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Coincidental, but it-- you know, god has a plan.
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He always has a plan, and we have to push forward with the
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Dreams and goals that we have.
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And i've told people before that, you know, i used to have
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Dreams about playing football again.
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After i lost my senior year, it became my greatest regret in
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Life, and so it was something i thought about all the time, i
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Was always reliving it and thinking what i could have
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Done differently.
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And so i had those dreams-- after i went back to play, i
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Haven't had a dream since in the 18 years since i went back to
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Play about playing college football.
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But it was my relationship with him that i was able to confirm
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Through him the things that were starting to happen all around me
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About--and people call it, you know, a coincidence, and i don't
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Believe in coincidences in the life of christians that, you
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Know, god was opening doors, he was making a way when there was
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No way, and everybody was saying, you know, this
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Can't happen.
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And you know, people were contacting me saying that 59,
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There's no way you go back and play college.
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What about your shoulders?
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What about your knees?
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What about your hips?
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And i was thinking, you know, i believe in me and what god has
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Allowed me to do in my body, and i'm not gonna let them determine
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For me what is real, what is my world and my belief in what i
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Can do, and so god honored that, and, you know, he blessed me, he
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Protected me, and it was, you know, just an
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Incredible experience.
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Kirk: that's so cool, and your story is so cool.
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You're so cool in so many ways.
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God made you unique, you know, a big strong football player, and
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Then you took what was your greatest regret and rather than
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Just living with that regret and dying with that regret, you
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Decided that you would go back and use that for good and make a
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Difference in the lives of other people.
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This is just inspiring to me.
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Mike: well, thank you, and it was, you know, for me, when i
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Found out that i had the eligibility and going back--
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And, you know, i didn't ask god, god give me a book, god, give me
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A movie, you know?
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I wanted--the drive for me was if i need to make this team as a
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Linebacker, help a bunch of young men and make up for those
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Guys i let down all those years ago, and so i make the team and
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Then at homecoming, the president of the college calls
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Me the night before homecoming and says, "twenty-six of your
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Former teammates and coaches have come back for homecoming to
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Watch you play."
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Kirk: oh my goodness.
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Mike: and he said, "i want you to be there early, get suited
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Out, we're gonna introduce you, but i wanna introduce all of
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Them, and then they don't know it, but i'm gonna introduce you.
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So, i get there early, i'm listening to the p-a system,
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Those names being called out over the p-a system that i
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Haven't heard in decades, and then he calls out number 49 from
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Odessa permian, mike flynt, linebacker, and i start out on
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The field, all those guys turned and started walking towards me,
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And i'm just--i'm running towards them, and i'm thinking i
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Can't look at them, because i'm gonna start crying.
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And so i'm looking down, peripheral vision, i see their
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Legs, and i look up, and they're all crying, and they embraced
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Me, and one of them grabbed me, and he said, "mike, we keep
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Reading where you said that you let us down all those years ago.
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We knew that fight wasn't your fault, and we never blamed you
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For that.
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And look, besides, because you came back to play, we're all
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Back together again."
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And so god in his mercy gave me the forgiveness that i needed
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From those former teammates to overcome that greatest regret in
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My life.
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Kirk: that's amazing, that's awesome.
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I want people to see what i noticed a little bit earlier,
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And that is your bible.
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It's held together with like baling wire, packaging tape, and
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I just thought, you know, this really proves that old adage
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That you hear people say that if a man--if his bible is falling
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Apart, his life probably isn't.
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And and inside here you've just got notes after note.
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I don't know if you can see this, but it's just all
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Dog-eared and underlined and highlighted and notes in the
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Margins and everything.
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What advice would you give, mike, to others who are
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Struggling with regrets and past mistakes in their lives?
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Kirk: well, you know, it's like i mentioned earlier about
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Changing the meaning of that regret, doing something positive
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Now today and changing what that--substitute that something
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Good for something that you can't change in the past.
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And then god's word, you know, in a relationship with him.
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According to a-i, and i haven't confirmed this, that we make
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35,000 choices in a day.
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Individuals make 35--that's a-i.
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I don't know that that's been confirmed, but let's discount
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It 99%.
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Let's say we make 350 choices in a day, and those choices can be
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Something so mundane as what to wear or something so life
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Altering as can i make it through that light on caution
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Before it changes.
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And so those choices, well, we have a guidebook that gives us
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Direction in making those choices throughout our lives,
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And the more we know our heavenly father through his
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Word, the more choices that we're gonna make that honor him,
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Glorify him, but most of society out there that doesn't have that
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Relationship, they're pretty much on their own, we're not.
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We have that guidance, we have that direction, and so dealing
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With regret, dealing with things that have happened in your life
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That you can't change, then you have this relationship that
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Gives you the direction and the help you need to live your life
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Through it and glorify god through it.
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And so that's what i would-- that's where i was lacking is
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Not having any relationship with the lord until i was 34
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Years old.
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Kirk: yeah, wow, that's a great word of encouragement
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And advice.
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One of the last chapters in your book, mike, is entitled "pay
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It forward."
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"pay it forward," explain what you call the a-b-cs of
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Your life.
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Mike: well, it's, you know, i have a saying from my years in
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Fitness that the greatest exercise program in the world
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Bar none is the one you'll do.
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Because if you're not gonna do it, i don't care how much
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Science you've got, how much engineering, it doesn't
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Doesn't matter.
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It has to be something you'll do.
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The a-b-cs are something that people can do to cultivate
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Relationships, a relationship with individuals, other people,
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Their lives, make decisions that honor god and help them.
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A is for attitude.
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According to stanford university, attitude is the only
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Area of our lives where we're in 100% control.
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It's not what happens to us that means all the difference in the
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World, it's how we perceive what happens to us, how we embrace
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That and accept that.
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It's always our choice to have a positive attitude, it's
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A superpower.
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B is belief.
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We've got to believe in our god-given talents and abilities,
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Because if you don't, then someone else can define you.
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Someone else will place limitations on you.
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I had 'em do it to me.
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I had two physicals.
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The second doctor told me, he said, "man, you're in
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Great shape.
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I think you need to see a psychiatrist, but other than
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That, you're good to go."
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But i had so many people telling me you can't do this, but i
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Believed in myself.
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And then the third thing, the c is commitment.
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You know, part of commitment is discipline, you know, the weight
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Of discipline is ounces, the weight of regret's tons, and i
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Lived that.
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But my commitment enabled me to receive the forgiveness that i
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Needed from my former teammates to overcome that greatest regret
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In life.
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So it's your attitude, your belief, and your commitment.
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Kirk: my attitude, my belief, and my commitment.
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Mike: a-b-c.
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Kirk: man, that is so good, and everybody can do that.
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Everybody can do that.
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It's as simple as the a-b-cs.
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Well, mike, what do you want people to take away from "the
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Senior" if they read the book or if they watch the movie?
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Mike: i think that what's more important to me than anything
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Else is the young man that was kicked out and the old man that
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Went back.
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Same guy, two totally different people.
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And it was christ that was the difference in the two lives.
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And out of my story, i hope people see the times that god
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Intervened in my life and the things that he did that's
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Written throughout the book.
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I was a very violent person when i was young, and i was trying to
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Please my dad, my earthly dad, but then it became paramount to
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Me to please my heavenly father, and so that was the contrast,
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That was the change, and that was the most--and i hope that
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People realize that it's never too late to tackle your dreams,
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To go after your dreams and things that god's put on
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Your heart.
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Goals are things we use our talents and abilities
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To accomplish.
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Dreams are the same thing, but your dreams, they need to be so
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Big that if god doesn't intervene, it's never gonna
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Get done.
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So you've gotta have a god-sized dream and then go after it.
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Kirk: yeah, mike, thank you so much for coming on
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To "takeaways."
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Mike: oh, thank you for having me.
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Kirk: after the break, we'll be joined by pastor ed tandy
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Mcglasson he's gonna be sharing what he's learned along his
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Journey of sports, pastoring and being a father,
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So don't miss it.
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[music]
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Kirk: my next guest is pastor ed tandy mcglasson, who played for
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The nfl as an offensive lineman for the new york giants, the new
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York jets, and the la rams.
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For over 34 years, he's pastored a local church, and he's the
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Founder of the father difference ministries.
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He's offered many books on fatherhood, and today we're
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Gonna talk about how to become the father and the husband your
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Family needs.
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Thanks so much for coming on "takeaways."
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Ed: hey, good handshake.
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He's not a wimp, guys, let me tell you, kirk: well, no, i had
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To go all in with hands like those, or, you know, or mine was
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Gonna get crushed.
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Ed: there we go.
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Kirk: well, did i get the teams right?
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Did i get the number of years right?
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Ed: well, i played 5 years total, all the way in a training
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Camp for the eagles.
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I ended up going to the eagles training camp, and that's when
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God called me into the ministry.
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Kirk: okay, and you played on all those teams, because i'm
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From la, so you played for the rams?
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Ed: the rams, the giants, the jets my rookie year.
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Kirk: well, i'm so glad that the lord continued your story out of
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The nfl and into ministry as a pastor, and that had something
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To do with the miraculous healing, tell us about that.
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Ed: yeah, my dream, you know, when you don't have a dad, my
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Dad was killed at 400 miles an hour--he was a fighter pilot--
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At monterey bay in 1956 on may 29th.
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So i lost my father two months before i was born, so i didn't
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Have my dad.
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And so my mother kept talking about his dream to be a
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Football player.
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And so that ingrained in me.
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She goes, "you know, your dear father is watching from heaven,
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And if you could play in the nfl, you know, he'd be
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So proud."
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That just hits you as a son.
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She remarries another guy who's a football guy, and so football
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Was everything.
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In my sophomore year at youngstown state, a rookie goes
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Through my knee, all three ligaments were torn.
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Kirk: a rookie, no less.
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Ed: yeah, and they took me into the hospital and told me that it
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Was a serious surgery, i might never play again.
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They took me back to the dorm room, gave me ice bags, put me
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In my room, and a campus minister knocked on my door.
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Never met a campus minister, said, "you have everything going
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For you, ed, but you lack one thing."
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"what's that?"
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"jesus christ."
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And i was pointing at my ice bag, and i go, "what
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About this?"
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Kirk: yeah, yeah, like, tell me something that's gonna help me
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Where i need the help.
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Ed: yeah, what about this?
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And he didn't stop, he looked at me and grabbed his bible and
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Read john 3:16.
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Kirk: now, were you a christian at this point?
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Ed: oh, no, i didn't ever go to church.
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I didn't know about jesus, i didn't know about anything.
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All i knew about was proving myself to my dead dad in heaven
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To be a great athlete.
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So that was my identity was if i play football, he's gonna be
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Happy with my life.
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And so i--you know, he read, you know, "for god so loved the
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World, he gave his only son that whoever would believe in him
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Would not perish but have everlasting life."
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When he read that scripture to me, you know, the bible says
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That faith comes by hearing and hearing the word of god, i knew
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Jesus was real just from hearing john 3:16.
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He said, "would you like to be saved?"
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I said, "how does that work?"
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He said, "when jesus died, he died as though he were you, so
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When you receive him you can live as though you were him and
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Be forgiven."
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I prayed a simple prayer.
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He then said, "can i pray for your knee and your
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Surgery tomorrow?"
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And he put his hand on my ice bag.
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He was a presbyterian campus minister who didn't actually
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Believe in supernatural healing.
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Kirk: okay.
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Ed: so he did give me a pentecostal rub down, like, get
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The shoulder here and the back here, you know?
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Had to do this, right.
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It was just on my ice bag i felt nothing.
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The next day, rolled into surgery, they did another test,
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And the doctor comes out and goes, "i don't know how to tell
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You this, but--"
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I thought it was really bad news.
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"but your three ligaments have been reattached.
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There's nothing wrong with your knee."
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And i jumped off the gurney, and my knee was perfect, kirk, and i
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Just started weeping.
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Went on a long walk, and i said i guess you're up.
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You know, i don't know--i know one verse in the bible.
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So what do you want me to do with my life?
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And this internal voice that that's different than yours
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Hits me.
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He said, "i want you to fulfill your dream and play
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Professional football."
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And i just--i was shocked.
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And i said, "you want me to do my dream?
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What kind of god are you?"
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He goes, "who you can put that in your heart as a kid?"
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And so that was my introduction to jesus, and i went out, became
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All-american, got drafted for the jets and played with the
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Jets, and then went out to the rams, and, you know, played
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Those 5 years in the nfl.
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Kirk: wow, that is so cool.
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Ed: it was him, but one of the things he did for me was this
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Guy who led me to christ, i called him, and i said, "what do
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I do now?"
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And he goes, well, why don't you go out and lead someone
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To jesus?
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Kirk: and you're like--
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Ed: i only have one verse, i don't have a bible.
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He hands me the four spiritual laws book.
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So i grabbed that book, i didn't even really read it, i just went
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To the quad, and i saw a pretty girl in my physics class, and i
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Figured god would want to save a pretty girl first, right?
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Why not, you know?
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If she asks me one question, kirk, i'm toast, and so i just--
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I'm reading through the four spiritual laws, and if you'd
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Like to receive jesus as your savior, pray this prayer.
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I didn't even look up, i'm looking down, and i--dear
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Jesus, and i heard dear jesus, and i look up, and
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She's weeping.
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See, evangelism is creating a moment for jesus to show up in
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The life of a person.
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He's the one who does the saving, and she ends up giving
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Her life to christ.
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I gave her a high five, called my friend.
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He goes get her number.
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I said, yeah, okay.
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Kirk: i can do that.
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Ed: started a christian group called the coalition for
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Christian outreach, and that year i got to lead 125 of my
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Friends to christ with that little book.
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Kirk: wow, ed, i love how, you know, when you share your story,
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You talk about how you were sharing the message of jesus
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With guys on the team in a firm, but it was a gentle and a kind
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Way, which is not necessarily the way you think you talk to
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Warriors, guys that were out there as titans and beasts,
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Ready to just destroy one another, and you're coming to
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Them this way.
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Why do you talk to them like that?
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Ed: because they're human beings, and they're flawed, and
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They have nowhere to put the part of their life where they're
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Not a hero.
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You saw it in the acting world, you have somebody who can act
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And do a thing, but privately they're a mess because the core
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Of their life, there is no forgiveness, there's no healing.
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I would pray about the guys i would play against, and during
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The game at some point, knock them down, i'd pull them up and
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Go, you know, "i've been praying for you, man.
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Jesus can really heal your marriage."
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And they'd go, "man, how do you know about all that?"
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I go, "well, i've been praying for you."
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And so i started--god just kind of put this gift in me to
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Leading people to christ, you know, everywhere i go, and it's
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Just part of following the father.
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Kirk: man, that is so cool.
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Ed: my core identity used to be pro football player, and i met
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Jesus in my life, and i got my real identity, son.
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God saved us so he could adopt us and make us his sons and
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Daughters so that the core of who we isn't, you know,
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Completely tied into what we have, who we know, pain, our
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Personal choices, but we have an identity that's unrockable when
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We get it as a man or as a woman.
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Kirk: yeah, yeah, man, that's so important.
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Ed: because, see, jesus didn't come to model a superhuman life,
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He came to model what it meant to be a son.
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And then in john 5:17, he said, "the son of man can only do what
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He sees his father doing."
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And and that's 'cause the father loves the son and shows him
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Everything he's doing.
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So jesus came to model what it meant for us to be a christian
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And what it really meant for us to be a beloved son or
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Beloved daughter.
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And when we're partnering with god the father when we meet
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Somebody, and our question on the inside is what are you doing
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With them?
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Evangelism is gonna happen around you all day long.
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When i started, you know, the books that i've written, that
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Would really struck me was the way jesus did manhood.
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It was different than anybody that has ever come, where he was
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Constantly going, father, what are you doing?
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What are you doing?
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And he even said the son of man can only do what he sees his
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Father done.
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To son, he just knew that it really the anointing and the
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Power of jesus's life, he limited it to just following the
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Father and that--and when we do that, then our identity isn't
00:34:52.514 --> 00:34:57.052
How many people we lead to christ, our identity is not a
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Political party, our identity is not our money or our fame or
00:35:00.422 --> 00:35:03.058
Whatever we--or it's not our pain in our life, it's to be
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A son.
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And that was the--kirk, for me, that's what healed my story,
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When i discovered what it meant to be a son.
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Kirk: quite a few of the chapters in your book begin with
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That word receiving.
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Why is receiving so important?
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Ed: well, that's the way jesus lived his life.
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Everything that he did, he received from the father.
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He's listening, he's participating, because he knew
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That as a son, says in philippians, said, he laid down
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The right to be god, right?
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And so he became obedient even to death on the cross.
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And so receiving is the secret for us in doing everything in
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Our life.
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I mean, what gift do you have that god didn't give you?
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Kirk: nothing.
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Ed: and when you have like a breakthrough moment on a camera
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And you, you walked off and went, oh, that was like
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Another world.
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I mean, god, thank you, because you did something for me that i
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Couldn't do.
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You received something in your life.
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And so most fathers and men in the world feel stuck because
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They start out with dads, they start out broken, they were bad
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Fathers, and they feel like the rest of their life is gonna be
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Measured by how bad they were as a father or as a man or as a
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Husband, but they never learned how to receive because their
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Father's never modeled that for them.
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Where's the hero that learns to receive from the father and
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Loves his wife and lays down his life like christ did the church?
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Where is he as a dad who looks at that teenager that just
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Flipped him off and goes to her and asks questions and gets her
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Heart back?
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I mean, that's the real heroes of fatherhood.
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Kirk: this is all so important, and i wanna talk about your
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Journey into becoming a pastor, and your pastor's heart is all
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Over this conversation right now, and we need to get into
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This after the break.
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When we come back, ed's gonna be sharing about addressing
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Bitterness from past hurts and reconnecting with your family.
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You don't wanna miss it, so don't go away.
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Kirk: welcome back, we're talking with former nfl player
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And pastor ed tandy mcglasson, sharing his testimony and what
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He's learned about becoming the father and the husband your
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Family needs.
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You have a chapter in your book that's called "the blessing of
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The father," and you talk about reading your bible differently,
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Unpack that.
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Ed: well, i remember reading my bible one day, and--like i
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Would do, and i felt like the lord just stopped me and goes,
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"what are you doing?"
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I said, "i'm reading my bible."
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He says, "stop reading the bible like a christian."
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And then he asked me another question.
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He asked me a lot of questions.
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He said, "how did my son read his bible?
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He read it like a son."
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And then he said, "if you'll read it like a son, i'll unlock
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The treasure of all 66 books."
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'cause everything that jesus did, he's discovering himself
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Through the old testament.
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He's before the--he's in the synagogue on his day to read the
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Scripture, and isaiah, "the spirit of the lord is upon me,"
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And if we had a camera on him, the spirit of the lord, that's
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Why i do what i do, 'cause he's anointed me.
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To mend the brokenhearted.
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I mean, you could just--the revelation of that scripture,
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And then he looks at the group and says today the scripture has
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Been fulfilled in your hearing.
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In other words, you're looking at the son of god.
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Kirk: and you began to read the bible like a son, and what
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Difference did that make for you?
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Ed: it completely changed the way i preached, because now i
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Had to learn to preach like a son, because if your core
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Identity is to be a son and not a great preacher, right, or
00:39:14.409 --> 00:39:18.513
An evangelist.
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Kirk: yeah, how is that different?
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Ed: it's different in that you're not tied to the outcome
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Of the moment.
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You're tied to connecting and delivering what god wants you
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To deliver.
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Kirk: oh, that's so good.
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Ed: because we think bigger, you know, is better, but god's
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Forming this identity inside of us of what it means to be
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Completely unowned by the world because your core identity is
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Son, not actor, not football player, not preacher, not
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Evangelist, those are things we do.
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But at the core of who we are is our identity as the son.
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Kirk: why do you say that so many men have difficulty
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Trusting god as their father?
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Ed: because of the way they started with their dad.
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They were--if you think about most dads, you know, they
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Weren't--my stepfather did the best he could, but everything is
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About performance.
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That's what i got.
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And what happens is you begin to believe who you are by the way
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You're treated by your dad.
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So if he's absent or not there or abusive, you know, you end up
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Taking on those traits in your life, and so your own core
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Identity is improving yourself constantly sometimes to that
00:40:34.823 --> 00:40:40.128
Person that wasn't in your corner.
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But see, jesus--god knew this was gonna be mankind's problem,
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Because adam and eve lost god the father.
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You know, god the son and the holy spirit.
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And so all of that that came to us, jesus came and died on the
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Cross so he could pay the price for our adoption so that he
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Could be our father.
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And when that--when we get the father and the son and the holy
00:41:05.287 --> 00:41:08.189
Spirit in our life, we can not only get that core identity, we
00:41:08.189 --> 00:41:12.093
Get the grace to do what was normally impossible to
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Do before.
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Kirk: and how do men find the ability to trust god and get
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Past the bitterness that they feel in their heart because of
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Past trauma?
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Ed: you know, one of the things i teach in my book, and it's
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Probably the number-one coaching moment is i teach men how to
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Build a culture of forgiveness in their home.
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They have a culture of i'm sorry or a culture of i'm
00:41:39.654 --> 00:41:44.059
Just kidding.
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And i remember i heard my kids fighting in the other room, and
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Jill said, "go handle this."
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And i went on there, and they went, "uh-oh, here he comes,
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Sermon time."
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As i'm walking there, i'm praying, father, what do i do
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With my kids?
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He said, "you've never taught 'em how to ask for forgiveness."
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And so i sat 'em down, and i looked at my oldest daughter,
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And i said, "are there some things that i've done that's
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Hurt you that i haven't asked for forgiveness for yet?"
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And she goes, "really, dad?"
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Kirk: yeah, like, where did that come from?
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Ed: that was from him.
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Starts weeping.
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"dad, you're like all over edward and golf and, you know,
00:42:22.964 --> 00:42:26.368
Anything he's doing, but i feel invisible."
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And i just, "sweetheart, will you forgive me for doing that
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To you?
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What do you want from me?"
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"i want more date nights."
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See, with forgiveness in the way the church many times deals with
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This, well, i'm sorry i did that means, well, i'm really sorry
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That i got caught, i'll humble myself a little bit, but when
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You have that transaction where it's like will you forgive me
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For this?
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Something powerful happens when that person says i will
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Forgive you.
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So you gotta have it both directions with children, and
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It's one of the things that i do a lot in our coaching program at
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The fatherhood academy with families who've got kids
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Complete not talking to them and away from them because
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Of bitterness.
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Kirk: how does a father help his children discover their
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God-given identity and secure that destiny with him?
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Ed: i'll tell you my story.
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At 40 years old, you know, my wife is feeding me all these
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Fathering books.
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I'm struggling as a dad, i'm struggling in my marriage,
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Because my core identity was retired football player, and
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Then i got into ministry, and it was all about ministry
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And football.
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And so i had to go talk to my youth group, and my youth leader
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Got sick, and i was going there thinking in the car, what am i
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Going to preach to these 100 kids?
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And i started reading a passage out of matthew.
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I just flipped it open in my car and went i'm gonna teach this,
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'cause it was the last minute, and it was the story of jesus
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Speaking to peter when he was in the boat, as jesus is walking on
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The water towards the disciple.
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And peter said, "if it's really you, command me to walk on
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The water."
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And jesus said, one word, "come."
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And that was the last word my father read the night before he
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Crashed his plane in monterey bay in 1956.
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With a red pen, he circled that word, "come," and the next
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Morning hit the water at 400 miles an hour, and i lost
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My dad.
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And 40 years later, his son, me, in front of these kids hears
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That same thing.
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I'm reading that scripture comment when i said that.
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All i can tell you is a father i never knew i could have for me
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Speaks to me in that moment and says this, "the last word your
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Father heard was the word come.
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That's what i've called you for, son, to call people to come
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To me.
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But from this moment on, your name is no longer football
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Player, pastor, all the things you name yourself or the things
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You're ashamed about yourself, but you are my beloved son too."
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And that blessing that jesus got in that river that day fell on
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Me, kirk, and i just sobbed.
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I was sobbing, i couldn't speak, the kids didn't know.
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I got in my car, i went home, and my wife, jill, sees me, and
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She said, "what happened to you?"
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She goes, "please don't take this wrong, i've watched you go
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Out for years and do ministry, and i'm so proud of you, but
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It's like you're going out to try to name yourself and try to
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Prove yourself.
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But tonight you came home, and i'm looking at a man of god."
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God's plan is to reconnect and adopt all of the children and
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The generations of children he lost in the garden of eden.
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And for a man to discover an identity that's not tied to
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Performance or to pain or to shame and failure, but he
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Discovers that identity that comes because he's loved by a
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Father who sent his only son, and whoever believes in him
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Would not perish.
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Kirk: man, that makes me--it convicts me, and that inspires
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Me, because i've got six kids, and i've got three sons, and i
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Think am i being the kind of father to my kids the way that
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God is to me?
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The way i need the father to love me, am i loving my children
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In that way?
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And that's why i'm so glad you've written a book like this,
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How to become the father--the husband and the father that your
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Family needs.
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In one of your chapters, you talk about the importance of
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Asking questions and listening.
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Why is that essential?
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Ed: well, i started--so i started jumping into jesus being
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A son, and i noticed he's always asking questions of people.
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Kirk: yeah.
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Ed: and sometimes he asked questions to see if the gift of
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Faith was in the person.
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Sometimes he asked questions that revealed their heart.
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And so i began to understand that when you ask a question, it
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Begins to grab that person's heart in a way that's different.
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It's one of the things i do all the time, because we share
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Christ many times because we have the answer of salvation.
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Everybody wants to get to john 3:16.
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They wanna get to the close, pray this prayer, but they don't
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Say so tell me about your story.
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And with children, one of the things i did with my kids is
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When i started learning to ask questions, they came to me and
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They said, "dad, i feel more honored by you when you ask me a
00:47:33.474 --> 00:47:37.278
Question than tell me what i should do, because when you ask
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Me a question, you are trusting that i can hear from the lord."
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You know, max de pree wrote a book years ago called "leading
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Without power," and he says the guy with the most powerful
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Questions is the guy that has the biggest influence in
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The company.
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And so i began to understand, you know, watching jesus that
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Asking questions of my kids when they're hurting, i can find out
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What's going on or when they need to make a decision.
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They don't need me to big ed them, to be the big football
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Player hero dude.
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They just need me to be a father and now grandpa to 14.
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Kirk: congratulations on that, that's awesome.
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Man, this is so important.
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I wanna go home, i wanna read your book right now.
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I wanna read all of your books, because i can't think of a role
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That i want to play well more than the role of being a father
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And being a husband.
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Ed: you know, paul said you have 1,000 instructors but
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Few fathers.
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The church today has great preachers but few fathers, and
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We've lost our culture to the world.
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And god's answer before the great and coming day of the
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Lord, he's gonna turn the hearts of fathers, us, to our children,
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And then turn the hearts of children to their fathers,
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"least i come and strike the world with a curse."
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And when there's not fathers present in countries as leaders
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In places, you have craziness, because those kids don't know
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Who they are, or the identity is politics.
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Kirk: thank you so much.
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Thanks for coming on "takeaways."
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Pleasure to meet you, and so great to have this discussion.
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I needed it, thanks, ed.
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Ed: you got it, brother.
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Kirk: after the break, we'll review today's takeaways.
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Kirk: our god is the god of restoration.
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Mike flynt and ed mcglasson were powerful reminders of that fact.
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Whether it's redeeming a lost dream or restoring the broken
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Hearts of the fatherless, god is always in the business of making
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Things new.
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Here's a few of our takeaways.
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Tackle your regrets head on.
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Mike flynt didn't let his greatest regret bury him, he
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Attacked it.
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He couldn't change what happened 37 years ago, but he refused to
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Let that be the end of the story.
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He went back to finish what he started.
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If you're carrying a regret, stop hiding it.
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Find a way to make it right or use it to bless others today.
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Control your attitude.
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We can't control what happens to us, but as mike said, we have
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100% control over our attitude.
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It's our superpower.
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Coupled with belief and commitment, this is the formula
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For overcoming the naysayers.
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When the world says to you, you're too old or it's too late,
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The a-b-cs of attitude, belief, and commitment will help you
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Push back effectively.
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Stop performing, start receiving.
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Ed mcglasson exposed the trap so many of us men fall into,
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Performance-based identity.
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We try to earn our worth through our jobs, our money, or our
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Reputation, but jesus modeled a different way.
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He did nothing on his own.
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He only did what he saw his father doing.
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Stop trying to be a superhero and learn to be a son who
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Receives from god.
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Ask, don't tell.
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We often think leading our families means barking orders.
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Ed suggested a better way, ask questions.
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He said his kids felt more honored when he asked them
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Questions rather than just telling them what to do.
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He said it builds trust and teaches them to hear from
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God themselves.
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He also challenged us to model the humility of christ in our
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Homes by building a culture of forgiveness and asking his own
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Children to forgive him, and by doing that, he demonstrated that
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Spiritual authority is not about perfection, but
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About reconciliation.
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That's all for this episode of "takeaways."
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Thanks for watching.
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You never miss an episode.
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We'll see you here next time for more great conversations.
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Mike Flynt & Ed Tandy McGlasson: Living Out God’s Gift of Second Chances | Takeaways with Kirk Cameron

February 2, 2026 | 52:45

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