Jonathan Bernis: A Pro-Israel Muslim Speaks Out | Jewish Voice Ministries

May 14, 2025 | S25:E22

An incredible conversation about Islamists, Israel, and the West with Dr. Jasser.

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  • What is the essence
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  • Of the problem
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  • That we're facing here?
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  • >> this is a war that hamas
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  • Declared on october 7
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  • And every year before it.
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  • Two state solution
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  • Is an old technology.
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  • >> what has to happen over there
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  • For there to be peace?
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  • >> first, you have
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  • To acknowledge that israel
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  • Is not their problem,
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  • It's hamas and the militancy.
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  • They use innocent people
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  • As shields.
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  • >> did you know
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  • That jesus was jewish?
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  • You might be asking,
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  • "what does that mean
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  • For your christian faith?"
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  • Watch today and discover how
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  • Understanding the jewish roots
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  • Of your faith and your
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  • Connection to israel
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  • And the jewish people
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  • Can transform your life
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  • And the way you read the bible.
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  • Coming up on jewish voice.
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  • ♪ ♪
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  • >> shalom and welcome
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  • >> shalom and welcome to jewish voice.
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  • To jewish voice. thank you for joining us today.
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  • Thank you for joining us today. i'm jonathan bernis
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  • I'm jonathan bernis and i'm joined once again
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  • And i'm joined once again by my good friend
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  • By my good friend and messianic jewish leader,
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  • And messianic jewish leader, scott volk.
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  • Scott volk. since president
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  • Since president trump's inauguration,
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  • Trump's inauguration, we've seen bold
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  • We've seen bold and unique ideas emerge
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  • And unique ideas emerge about solutions to israel's war
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  • About solutions to israel's war with hamas and they are
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  • With hamas and they are strikingly different.
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  • Strikingly different. but the big question remains,
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  • But the big question remains, will they end the war
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  • Will they end the war and create lasting peace?
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  • And create lasting peace? in having a show
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  • In having a show about understanding
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  • About understanding current events in israel,
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  • Current events in israel, i thought it was so important
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  • I thought it was so important for our audience to hear
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  • For our audience to hear from dr. zuhdi jasser,
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  • From dr. zuhdi jasser, trained at the medical college
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  • Trained at the medical college of wisconsin on
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  • Of wisconsin on a navy scholarship.
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  • A navy scholarship. he served as an officer
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  • He served as an officer for 11 years and is
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  • For 11 years and is a practicing muslim.
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  • A practicing muslim. he speaks often about balance
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  • He speaks often about balance needed between faith,
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  • Needed between faith, culture, and liberty.
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  • Culture, and liberty. he's one of the founders
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  • He's one of the founders of the american islamic forum
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  • Of the american islamic forum for democracy and served
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  • For democracy and served on the u.s. commission on
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  • On the u.s. commission on international religious freedom.
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  • International religious freedom. please welcome
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  • Please welcome to the program, dr. jasser.
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  • To the program, dr. jasser. dr. jasser,
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  • Dr. jasser, welcome to jewish voice.
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  • Welcome to jewish voice. >> it's an honor to be here.
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  • >> it's an honor to be here. >> thank you for coming over.
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  • >> thank you for coming over. we're really glad to have you.
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  • We're really glad to have you. i wanna begin with your story
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  • I wanna begin with your story because your parents,
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  • Because your parents, when your mother was
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  • When your mother was six months pregnant with you,
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  • Six months pregnant with you, fled syria, right?
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  • Fled syria, right? and what led them
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  • And what led them to come to the u.s.
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  • To come to the u.s. and find a new home?
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  • And find a new home? >> well, it's a classic
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  • >> well, it's a classic american story and that
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  • American story and that my father was a --
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  • My father was a -- did his undergraduate learning
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  • Did his undergraduate learning in britain and was avidly
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  • In britain and was avidly studying western society
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  • Studying western society and british democracy
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  • And british democracy and became a --
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  • And became a -- not only an anglophile,
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  • Not only an anglophile, but a loved american
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  • But a loved american culture and ideology.
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  • Culture and ideology. his father, zuhdi jasser,
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  • His father, zuhdi jasser, was not only a businessman in
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  • Was not only a businessman in syria but a newspaper man,
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  • Syria but a newspaper man, had what became
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  • Had what became al-ghad newspaper which
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  • Al-ghad newspaper which still exists from the regimes.
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  • Still exists from the regimes. but in the '30's and '40's,
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  • But in the '30's and '40's, it was attempted to be
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  • It was attempted to be a newspaper for
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  • A newspaper for freedom and democracy.
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  • Freedom and democracy. when the french pulled out
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  • When the french pulled out of syria in 1948,
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  • Of syria in 1948, they tried to demo --
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  • They tried to demo -- the syrian people tried
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  • The syrian people tried to democratize their country
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  • To democratize their country and for four years,
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  • And for four years, fleeted with democracy
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  • Fleeted with democracy until 1952.
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  • Until 1952. and his newspaper flourished,
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  • And his newspaper flourished, and my dad saw what
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  • And my dad saw what his father was trying
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  • His father was trying to do in his young age.
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  • To do in his young age. my dad was 10 at the time,
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  • My dad was 10 at the time, but it failed.
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  • But it failed. there were 20 coos that happened
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  • There were 20 coos that happened in syria between 1952 and 1963.
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  • In syria between 1952 and 1963. they nationalized all
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  • They nationalized all the companies.
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  • The companies. they took away
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  • They took away personal properties.
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  • Personal properties. my grandfather
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  • My grandfather was in house arrest.
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  • Was in house arrest. the jassers were basically
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  • The jassers were basically persona non grata.
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  • Persona non grata. the paper was destroyed
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  • The paper was destroyed and nationalized.
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  • And nationalized. my dad finished
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  • My dad finished his medical education in '65
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  • His medical education in '65 and ultimately escaped.
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  • And ultimately escaped. my parents understood that
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  • My parents understood that we could practice our faith
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  • We could practice our faith more freely in the small town
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  • More freely in the small town of wisconsin that i grew up in.
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  • Of wisconsin that i grew up in. i was born in ohio but grew up
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  • I was born in ohio but grew up basically in wisconsin
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  • Basically in wisconsin from grade school on
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  • From grade school on through medical school.
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  • Through medical school. and i learned that
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  • And i learned that in little nina, wisconsin
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  • In little nina, wisconsin i could be more muslim,
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  • I could be more muslim, and more closer to god,
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  • And more closer to god, and necessarily
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  • And necessarily interpret my faith in
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  • Interpret my faith in my own interpretations,
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  • My own interpretations, not the ones
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  • Not the ones mandated by government,
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  • Mandated by government, or mandated by clerics,
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  • Or mandated by clerics, or any oppressive movement.
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  • Or any oppressive movement. and my father taught me that
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  • And my father taught me that they felt american the moment
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  • They felt american the moment they got off the airplane.
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  • They got off the airplane. >> how sweet freedom is, huh?
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  • >> how sweet freedom is, huh? that's really --
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  • That's really -- >> you started
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  • >> you started an organization
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  • An organization in the early 2000's
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  • In the early 2000's american islamic forum
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  • American islamic forum for democracy.
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  • For democracy. after growing up,
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  • After growing up, going to college,
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  • Going to college, and getting your training,
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  • And getting your training, what prompted you and motivated
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  • What prompted you and motivated you to start that center?
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  • You to start that center? >> yeah.
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  • >> yeah. so, after 9/11 i was
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  • So, after 9/11 i was just horrified by not only
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  • Just horrified by not only the horrific attacks that
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  • The horrific attacks that we suffered on 9/11,
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  • We suffered on 9/11, but how unaware we were
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  • But how unaware we were at the real disease.
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  • At the real disease. and al-qaeda, this,
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  • And al-qaeda, this, you know, 11 operatives
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  • You know, 11 operatives that did what they did,
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  • That did what they did, were simply the tip
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  • Were simply the tip of the iceberg of
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  • Of the iceberg of a deeper, deeper problem.
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  • A deeper, deeper problem. and as i understood growing up,
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  • And as i understood growing up, being a muslim that then
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  • Being a muslim that then went to college and started
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  • Went to college and started to realize that i might have
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  • To realize that i might have my interpretation of islam that
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  • My interpretation of islam that my parents blessed me with.
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  • My parents blessed me with. and my father
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  • And my father translated the quran,
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  • Translated the quran, and we believe
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  • And we believe in the authenticity
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  • In the authenticity of the arabic scripture.
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  • Of the arabic scripture. i was preserved from that,
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  • I was preserved from that, but then i go to the college
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  • But then i go to the college and see the muslim brotherhood
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  • And see the muslim brotherhood working in the muslim student
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  • Working in the muslim student association and see a lot
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  • Association and see a lot of the politization of islam.
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  • Of the politization of islam. and i went home, and i said --
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  • And i went home, and i said -- i called my mom, and i said,
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  • I called my mom, and i said, "what is this poli --
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  • "what is this poli -- this is not a religion.
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  • This is not a religion. the imam is supposed to be
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  • The imam is supposed to be teaching me about
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  • Teaching me about morality and character,
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  • Morality and character, and yet it was this evil,
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  • And yet it was this evil, you know, politics,
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  • You know, politics, anti-western stuff."
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  • Anti-western stuff." so, that's why
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  • So, that's why i joined the navy.
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  • I joined the navy. i realized that that's the key
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  • I realized that that's the key to being an american,
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  • To being an american, is giving back to this country
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  • Is giving back to this country the most moral institution.
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  • The most moral institution. so, fast forward
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  • So, fast forward to 9/11 and i said --
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  • To 9/11 and i said -- i looked at
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  • I looked at the arizona republic.
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  • The arizona republic. on the cover
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  • On the cover of the arizona republic
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  • Of the arizona republic was a article that said,
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  • Was a article that said, "american muslims torn
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  • "american muslims torn between loyalty to america
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  • Between loyalty to america and loyalty to islam."
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  • And loyalty to islam." called the reporter and said,
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  • Called the reporter and said, "where did you
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  • "where did you interview these people?"
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  • Interview these people?" "imans that were basically
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  • "imans that were basically blaming it on israel,
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  • Blaming it on israel, every conspiracy theory,
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  • Every conspiracy theory, blaming it on the jews
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  • Blaming it on the jews and other nonsense."
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  • And other nonsense." and i said, "wow, we need
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  • And i said, "wow, we need an institution that could
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  • An institution that could speak for americanism,
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  • Speak for americanism, that could speak
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  • That could speak for the problems,
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  • For the problems, and be genuinely humble
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  • And be genuinely humble about our problems within islam
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  • About our problems within islam and what we haven't reform."
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  • And what we haven't reform." and that's what
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  • And that's what the american islamic forum is.
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  • The american islamic forum is. it's not just antiterrorism.
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  • It's not just antiterrorism. recognition of liberty
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  • Recognition of liberty and freedom through a process
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  • And freedom through a process that created ultimately
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  • That created ultimately the united states of america.
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  • ♪ ♪
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  • >> announcer: under a ministry
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  • Tent in zambia,
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  • Rabbi tim met a woman and her
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  • Seven year old son charlie.
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  • Like his older brother,
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  • Charlie was born
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  • With cerebral palsy.
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  • Their father had felt
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  • Shame and even disgraced
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  • In having a child with
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  • A physical impairment.
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  • >> when charles was born
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  • The father said, "we need
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  • To get rid of him too."
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  • And the mom realized
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  • That the father had
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  • Killed the older son.
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  • >> that father had secretly
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  • Killed his first born.
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  • With no belief system
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  • That values human life,
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  • He intended to make
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  • Charlie his next victim.
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  • Somehow, charlie's mom
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  • Found courage.
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  • >> and she said, "i can't.
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  • This is -- that's enough.
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  • I realize you're an evil man,"
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  • And she left.
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  • And she's been taking care
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  • Of charlie ever since.
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  • >> for seven years,
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  • Wherever she went
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  • Charlie's mom literally
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  • Carried him on her back.
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  • They endured seasons
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  • Of homelessness and hunger,
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  • But because of her dedication,
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  • The boy always had love
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  • And never lost hope.
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  • >> you look into his eyes,
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  • And he connects deeply.
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  • And what a sweet boy,
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  • Sweet countenance
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  • And special kid.
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  • >> still the cerebral palsy
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  • Meant charlie would never walk,
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  • Which made the wheelchair from
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  • Jewish voice the perfect gift
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  • Just in time too,
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  • Because charlie was getting
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  • Too big to be carried.
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  • >> but their -- the mom,
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  • She was so touched really.
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  • And as she wheeled out
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  • Yesterday --
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  • She's wheeling charlie out
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  • But then we provided a bunch
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  • Of food for her as well.
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  • So, she had that on
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  • Her back now...
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  • [laughter]
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  • Which was what was so sweet.
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  • To be able to help them out
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  • Was such a blessing for us.
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  • And to know that
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  • It was a game changer.
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  • >> the biggest change,
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  • They now know
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  • The god of creation,
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  • The one true source of hope .
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  • >> and you chose charlie
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  • >> and you chose charlie before he was even born, lord.
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  • Before he was even born, lord. and lord, you'll heal this day
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  • And lord, you'll heal this day and lord, we pray for this
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  • And lord, we pray for this young man that your will be
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  • Young man that your will be done in his life, lord.
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  • Done in his life, lord. father, may he know you,
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  • Father, may he know you, may he love you,
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  • May he love you, may he hold on to you, father.
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  • May he hold on to you, father. and lord, i just want
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  • And lord, i just want to thank you
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  • To thank you for your people, lord,
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  • For your people, lord, your loving people who've
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  • Your loving people who've made this possible, lord.
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  • Made this possible, lord. father, may you replenish
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  • Father, may you replenish whatever they have given out,
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  • Whatever they have given out, and we bless them too
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  • And we bless them too in yeshua's name.
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  • >> we are planning
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  • And praying for our next
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  • Medical outreach
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  • To more families and people
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  • Just like charlie and his mom.
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  • Your financial support may be
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  • The difference between
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  • Lives being changed
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  • Or life's continuing in need.
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  • ♪ ♪
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  • >> break down for us at just in
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  • >> break down for us at just in the simplest, in simple terms,
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  • The simplest, in simple terms, islam just going back
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  • Islam just going back to mohammad.
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  • To mohammad. what is jihadist?
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  • What is jihadist? what is sharia law?
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  • What is sharia law? break this down for us.
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  • Break this down for us. just give us an understanding
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  • Just give us an understanding of what is the essence
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  • Of what is the essence of the problem that
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  • Of the problem that we're facing here?
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  • We're facing here? >> yeah.
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  • >> yeah. so, it's --
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  • So, it's -- >> it's not islam
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  • >> it's not islam as a whole, right?
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  • As a whole, right? >> i --
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  • >> i -- if i believe that,
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  • If i believe that, not only would i not be
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  • Not only would i not be a muslim, but you know,
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  • A muslim, but you know, i wouldn't understand history.
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  • I wouldn't understand history. because if it was
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  • Because if it was islam as a whole,
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  • Islam as a whole, islam would have no history
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  • Islam would have no history in which people thrived,
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  • In which people thrived, you know.
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  • You know. there was a time that it wo --
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  • There was a time that it wo -- it's never been
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  • It's never been a democratic institution,
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  • A democratic institution, but ultimately,
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  • But ultimately, if you look at the 7th,
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  • If you look at the 7th, 8th, 9th century,
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  • 8th, 9th century, bernard lewis wrote
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  • Bernard lewis wrote a book called,
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  • A book called, "the jews of islam,"
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  • "the jews of islam," and wrote how rabbi maimonides,
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  • And wrote how rabbi maimonides, a physician and a rabbi --
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  • A physician and a rabbi -- >> i was just gonna mention
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  • >> i was just gonna mention that the jews thrived...
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  • That the jews thrived... >> the jews thrived.
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  • >> the jews thrived. >> under that era of islam.
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  • >> under that era of islam. >> and that era
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  • >> and that era of the elon musks
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  • Of the elon musks of the world we're living
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  • Of the world we're living in islamic, you know,
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  • In islamic, you know, but those were not democracies,
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  • But those were not democracies, those were dynasties.
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  • Those were dynasties. so, ultimately, if you look
  • 00:10:01.517 --> 00:10:03.452
  • So, ultimately, if you look at islam as --
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  • At islam as -- the word itself
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  • The word itself means surrender to god.
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  • Means surrender to god. it doesn't mean peace.
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  • It doesn't mean peace. salam means peace.
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  • Salam means peace. islam means by believing in god
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  • Islam means by believing in god you surrender to his will.
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  • You surrender to his will. but it doesn't mean you then
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  • But it doesn't mean you then commit suicide or all these
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  • Commit suicide or all these other nonsense that radicals do.
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  • Other nonsense that radicals do. it means you do the best you can
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  • It means you do the best you can to effectuate the gifts that
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  • To effectuate the gifts that he gives you on this earth.
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  • He gives you on this earth. so, it's a religion that should
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  • So, it's a religion that should not have clergy.
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  • Not have clergy. now, jihad, if you
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  • Now, jihad, if you look at the time
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  • Look at the time of the prophet mohammed,
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  • Of the prophet mohammed, there was no separation
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  • There was no separation of mosque and state.
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  • Of mosque and state. he was not only, we'd believe,
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  • He was not only, we'd believe, a messenger of god, but he was
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  • A messenger of god, but he was also the head of the military,
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  • Also the head of the military, and he was the head of state.
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  • And he was the head of state. so, when you had one individual
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  • So, when you had one individual that had all three
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  • That had all three of those characteristics,
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  • Of those characteristics, it then in some ways
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  • It then in some ways institutionalizes theocracy.
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  • Institutionalizes theocracy. that needs reform.
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  • That needs reform. does islam mean jihad?
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  • Does islam mean jihad? well, at the time,
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  • Well, at the time, when you mix those rules --
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  • When you mix those rules -- i was in the navy.
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  • I was in the navy. i signed up for
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  • I signed up for four years in america.
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  • Four years in america. if at the time into
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  • If at the time into my third year we were
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  • My third year we were deployed --
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  • Deployed -- we deployed to somalia and went
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  • We deployed to somalia and went to operation to restore hope.
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  • To operation to restore hope. i was on my ship.
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  • I was on my ship. if we were one
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  • If we were one and we were in mogadishu,
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  • And we were in mogadishu, i turn to my ceo and i said,
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  • I turn to my ceo and i said, "you know, i'm tired.
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  • "you know, i'm tired. i changed my mind.
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  • I changed my mind. i'm gonna go work
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  • I'm gonna go work for ibm instead of working
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  • For ibm instead of working for the u.s. navy."
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  • For the u.s. navy." i can't do that.
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  • I can't do that. you signed up.
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  • You signed up. it'd be unauthorized absence.
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  • It'd be unauthorized absence. it would be --
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  • It would be -- you know, if i just left,
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  • You know, if i just left, i could be put in jail.
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  • I could be put in jail. you know, and ultimately,
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  • You know, and ultimately, if you work with the enemy,
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  • If you work with the enemy, god forbid, it's treason
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  • God forbid, it's treason and you could be killed.
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  • And you could be killed. so, islam at the time,
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  • So, islam at the time, the military,
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  • The military, if you left the mili --
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  • If you left the mili -- muslim military,
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  • Muslim military, you'd be the same thing.
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  • You'd be the same thing. you'd be killed.
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  • You'd be killed. the apologist
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  • The apologist will tell you jihad --
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  • Will tell you jihad -- and i have friends with
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  • And i have friends with their first name jihad so it
  • 00:11:37.780 --> 00:11:38.714
  • Their first name jihad so it can't mean military war.
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  • Can't mean military war. my friend, jihad, it just simply
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  • My friend, jihad, it just simply means struggle to get closer
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  • Means struggle to get closer to god in an apologetic way.
  • 00:11:43.652 --> 00:11:46.222
  • To god in an apologetic way. realistically from a branding,
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  • Realistically from a branding, jihad means the adherence
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  • Jihad means the adherence to a military violent conquest
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  • To a military violent conquest to advance islamic law globally.
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  • To advance islamic law globally. so, the jihadist divide
  • 00:11:56.098 --> 00:11:57.399
  • So, the jihadist divide the world into the land
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  • The world into the land of islam where muslims are
  • 00:11:58.467 --> 00:11:59.435
  • Of islam where muslims are a majority and the land of war.
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  • A majority and the land of war. so, there's no land of peace
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  • So, there's no land of peace to the jihadist unless
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  • To the jihadist unless we reform and destroy those
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  • We reform and destroy those ideas intellectually.
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  • >> announcer: there is
  • 00:12:08.978 --> 00:12:09.378
  • A way forward,
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  • A god centered solution
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  • To the arab israeli conflict
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  • To provide you with
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  • A plan to counter
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  • The rise of antisemitism.
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  • And to say thank you for your
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  • One time gift of $40 or more,
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  • We'll send you the book,
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  • "who owns the land?"
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  • Plus, we'll include
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  • >> dr. jasser, thank you
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  • >> dr. jasser, thank you so much for taking the time
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  • So much for taking the time to be with us today.
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  • To be with us today. i hope it's the beginning
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  • I hope it's the beginning of many other visits
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  • Of many other visits to jewish voice.
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  • To jewish voice. >> we've heard terms like
  • 00:13:46.475 --> 00:13:47.610
  • >> we've heard terms like islam, muslim, islamist,
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  • Islam, muslim, islamist, can you break --
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  • Can you break -- >> jihadist.
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  • >> jihadist. >> jihadist.
  • 00:13:52.615 --> 00:13:53.015
  • >> jihadist. can you break those terms down?
  • 00:13:53.082 --> 00:13:54.750
  • Can you break those terms down? because i think in many minds
  • 00:13:54.817 --> 00:13:57.286
  • Because i think in many minds like my own islam is islam
  • 00:13:57.353 --> 00:13:59.221
  • Like my own islam is islam and within it you've got this
  • 00:13:59.288 --> 00:14:01.023
  • And within it you've got this whole array of different
  • 00:14:01.090 --> 00:14:03.192
  • Whole array of different people's expressions.
  • 00:14:03.259 --> 00:14:04.460
  • People's expressions. but you talk about
  • 00:14:04.526 --> 00:14:05.895
  • But you talk about the term islamist.
  • 00:14:05.961 --> 00:14:07.029
  • The term islamist. can you --
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  • Can you -- can you just explain
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  • Can you just explain that to us and why
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  • That to us and why it's important for us
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  • It's important for us to understand that?
  • 00:14:10.733 --> 00:14:11.300
  • To understand that? >> that's the whole reason
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  • >> that's the whole reason we formed the organization,
  • 00:14:12.134 --> 00:14:13.335
  • We formed the organization, and i think if you
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  • And i think if you look at my legacy work,
  • 00:14:14.136 --> 00:14:15.704
  • Look at my legacy work, i think one of my legacies
  • 00:14:15.771 --> 00:14:16.939
  • I think one of my legacies is gonna be that we were able
  • 00:14:17.006 --> 00:14:18.474
  • Is gonna be that we were able to shift the conversation
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  • To shift the conversation in america from being about
  • 00:14:20.042 --> 00:14:21.176
  • In america from being about terrorism and radicals,
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  • Terrorism and radicals, you know.
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  • You know. i remember when i was on
  • 00:14:24.046 --> 00:14:24.713
  • I remember when i was on glenn beck show, he says,
  • 00:14:24.780 --> 00:14:25.981
  • Glenn beck show, he says, "zuhdi, you're the radically
  • 00:14:26.048 --> 00:14:26.782
  • "zuhdi, you're the radically actually."
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  • Actually." yeah.
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  • Yeah. "and the other guys
  • 00:14:28.183 --> 00:14:28.617
  • "and the other guys are sort of running a show."
  • 00:14:28.684 --> 00:14:29.852
  • Are sort of running a show." and so --
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  • And so -- >> yeah, yeah, yeah.
  • 00:14:30.519 --> 00:14:30.953
  • >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> and i said, "yes."
  • 00:14:31.020 --> 00:14:31.553
  • >> and i said, "yes." so, i said, "we need to stop
  • 00:14:31.620 --> 00:14:32.421
  • So, i said, "we need to stop using modern --
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  • Using modern -- the term modern muslim.
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  • The term modern muslim. i hate that term."
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  • I hate that term." what does that even mean?
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  • What does that even mean? islamist is the correct term
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  • Islamist is the correct term and the groups like counseling
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  • And the groups like counseling american islamic relations
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  • American islamic relations alongside north america,
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  • Alongside north america, the alphabet soup
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  • The alphabet soup of muslim groups don't
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  • Of muslim groups don't want you to use that term.
  • 00:14:44.433 --> 00:14:46.135
  • Want you to use that term. and my response to them,
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  • And my response to them, as i've testified
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  • As i've testified at congress is,
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  • At congress is, that's what they called
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  • That's what they called themselves in arabic.
  • 00:14:49.872 --> 00:14:50.706
  • Themselves in arabic. h-a-m-a-s, hamas,
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  • H-a-m-a-s, hamas, means harakat al-islamiyya
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  • Means harakat al-islamiyya in arabic which means
  • 00:14:54.476 --> 00:14:55.611
  • In arabic which means the movement of muslims
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  • The movement of muslims for political control,
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  • For political control, for political movements.
  • 00:14:59.214 --> 00:15:00.749
  • For political movements. so, islamism, just like
  • 00:15:00.816 --> 00:15:02.718
  • So, islamism, just like socialism versus capitalism,
  • 00:15:02.785 --> 00:15:05.054
  • Socialism versus capitalism, is about economic ideas.
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  • Is about economic ideas. political ideas about
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  • Political ideas about the role of religious identity
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  • The role of religious identity in the state and in
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  • In the state and in the legal system
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  • The legal system is islamic movements.
  • 00:15:12.895 --> 00:15:14.630
  • Is islamic movements. so, the instrument for islamist
  • 00:15:14.697 --> 00:15:16.966
  • So, the instrument for islamist is the legal system of islam
  • 00:15:17.032 --> 00:15:19.001
  • Is the legal system of islam or islamic jewish prudence
  • 00:15:19.068 --> 00:15:20.669
  • Or islamic jewish prudence versus the secular parties
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  • Versus the secular parties and other parties,
  • 00:15:22.404 --> 00:15:23.105
  • And other parties, the communists,
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  • The communists, and others that exist in
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  • And others that exist in the middle east are not about
  • 00:15:24.907 --> 00:15:26.075
  • The middle east are not about islamic law and islamic rules.
  • 00:15:26.141 --> 00:15:28.110
  • Islamic law and islamic rules. >> but they're not
  • 00:15:28.177 --> 00:15:28.744
  • >> but they're not all terrorists?
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  • All terrorists? jihadists are not
  • 00:15:29.411 --> 00:15:29.945
  • Jihadists are not all terrorists.
  • 00:15:30.012 --> 00:15:30.446
  • All terrorists. >> that's why i don't like
  • 00:15:30.512 --> 00:15:31.246
  • >> that's why i don't like that term because terrorism
  • 00:15:31.313 --> 00:15:32.881
  • That term because terrorism is simply the belief that
  • 00:15:32.948 --> 00:15:34.550
  • Is simply the belief that noncombatants can be targeted,
  • 00:15:34.616 --> 00:15:36.352
  • Noncombatants can be targeted, all that kind of stuff.
  • 00:15:36.418 --> 00:15:37.653
  • All that kind of stuff. but the ends of trying
  • 00:15:37.720 --> 00:15:39.088
  • But the ends of trying to put it into place,
  • 00:15:39.154 --> 00:15:40.522
  • To put it into place, you know, they'll say --
  • 00:15:40.589 --> 00:15:41.156
  • You know, they'll say -- for example when they debated
  • 00:15:41.223 --> 00:15:41.890
  • For example when they debated that imam here locally,
  • 00:15:41.957 --> 00:15:43.092
  • That imam here locally, he said, "well, if muslims are
  • 00:15:43.158 --> 00:15:44.059
  • He said, "well, if muslims are a majority, we have a right
  • 00:15:44.126 --> 00:15:45.427
  • A majority, we have a right to then vote in, in egypt
  • 00:15:45.494 --> 00:15:47.596
  • To then vote in, in egypt or elsewhere, islamic law."
  • 00:15:47.663 --> 00:15:49.331
  • Or elsewhere, islamic law." and i'm like, "no, you don't.
  • 00:15:49.398 --> 00:15:50.899
  • And i'm like, "no, you don't. that's called mobocracy.
  • 00:15:50.966 --> 00:15:52.434
  • That's called mobocracy. that's a majoritocracy.
  • 00:15:52.501 --> 00:15:54.103
  • That's a majoritocracy. that's not liberalism."
  • 00:15:54.169 --> 00:15:55.637
  • That's not liberalism." the fact that makes america
  • 00:15:55.704 --> 00:15:57.039
  • The fact that makes america america is that we can't
  • 00:15:57.106 --> 00:15:57.940
  • America is that we can't be taken over by
  • 00:15:58.007 --> 00:15:59.108
  • Be taken over by a majority that's loose,
  • 00:15:59.174 --> 00:16:00.743
  • A majority that's loose, that ultimately
  • 00:16:00.809 --> 00:16:01.377
  • That ultimately the supreme court has
  • 00:16:01.443 --> 00:16:02.478
  • The supreme court has the final rule of the land,
  • 00:16:02.544 --> 00:16:04.513
  • The final rule of the land, not the 50 plus --
  • 00:16:04.580 --> 00:16:05.280
  • Not the 50 plus -- 50% plus one vote that would be
  • 00:16:05.347 --> 00:16:08.350
  • 50% plus one vote that would be like as ben franklin said,
  • 00:16:08.417 --> 00:16:09.985
  • Like as ben franklin said, "three wolves and a sheep
  • 00:16:10.052 --> 00:16:10.786
  • "three wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner."
  • 00:16:10.853 --> 00:16:11.987
  • [laughter]
  • 00:16:12.287 --> 00:16:12.654
  • And that's how hamas
  • 00:16:12.921 --> 00:16:13.589
  • And that's how hamas got elected basically.
  • 00:16:13.655 --> 00:16:15.190
  • Got elected basically. and that's how a lot
  • 00:16:15.257 --> 00:16:15.858
  • And that's how a lot of these parties --
  • 00:16:15.924 --> 00:16:16.392
  • Of these parties -- so, islamism is
  • 00:16:16.458 --> 00:16:17.659
  • So, islamism is the desire through
  • 00:16:17.726 --> 00:16:18.761
  • The desire through populous movements,
  • 00:16:18.827 --> 00:16:20.396
  • Populous movements, through viral movements,
  • 00:16:20.462 --> 00:16:21.563
  • Through viral movements, to put into place
  • 00:16:21.630 --> 00:16:23.132
  • To put into place islamic dominance in areas
  • 00:16:23.198 --> 00:16:25.034
  • Islamic dominance in areas where muslims are a majority.
  • 00:16:25.100 --> 00:16:26.835
  • Where muslims are a majority. they're not seeking
  • 00:16:26.902 --> 00:16:27.436
  • They're not seeking to take over the west,
  • 00:16:27.503 --> 00:16:28.704
  • To take over the west, but they do wanna weaken
  • 00:16:28.771 --> 00:16:29.772
  • But they do wanna weaken and make the west impotent
  • 00:16:29.838 --> 00:16:31.874
  • And make the west impotent to affecting muslim world,
  • 00:16:31.940 --> 00:16:33.642
  • To affecting muslim world, muslim ethics.
  • 00:16:33.709 --> 00:16:34.276
  • Muslim ethics. >> so, let me use
  • 00:16:34.343 --> 00:16:34.877
  • >> so, let me use the terminology correctly.
  • 00:16:34.943 --> 00:16:35.644
  • The terminology correctly. islamist...
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  • Islamist... >> yeah.
  • 00:16:36.645 --> 00:16:37.279
  • >> yeah. >> nations.
  • 00:16:37.346 --> 00:16:38.113
  • >> nations. >> yes.
  • 00:16:38.180 --> 00:16:38.947
  • >> yes. >> which are committed
  • 00:16:39.014 --> 00:16:39.681
  • >> which are committed to the destruction
  • 00:16:39.748 --> 00:16:41.016
  • To the destruction of the infidel.
  • 00:16:41.083 --> 00:16:41.817
  • Of the infidel. >> mhmm.
  • 00:16:41.884 --> 00:16:42.751
  • >> mhmm. >> which begins
  • 00:16:42.818 --> 00:16:43.218
  • >> which begins with israel because
  • 00:16:43.285 --> 00:16:44.420
  • With israel because they're in the territory
  • 00:16:44.486 --> 00:16:46.121
  • They're in the territory and ultimately the west.
  • 00:16:46.188 --> 00:16:47.356
  • And ultimately the west. >> yes.
  • 00:16:47.423 --> 00:16:47.723
  • >> yes. >> right?
  • 00:16:47.790 --> 00:16:48.257
  • >> right? that's why i've heard
  • 00:16:48.323 --> 00:16:49.458
  • That's why i've heard netanyahu referred to israel as
  • 00:16:49.525 --> 00:16:52.061
  • Netanyahu referred to israel as the little satan and america
  • 00:16:52.127 --> 00:16:53.429
  • The little satan and america is the big satan.
  • 00:16:53.495 --> 00:16:54.296
  • Is the big satan. >> yeah.
  • 00:16:54.363 --> 00:16:55.097
  • >> yeah. >> do you feel like there can be
  • 00:16:55.164 --> 00:16:57.933
  • >> do you feel like there can be peace in the middle east?
  • 00:16:58.000 --> 00:16:59.568
  • Peace in the middle east? like, do you have
  • 00:16:59.635 --> 00:17:00.235
  • Like, do you have a hope for that?
  • 00:17:00.302 --> 00:17:01.103
  • A hope for that? it seems like an utterly
  • 00:17:01.170 --> 00:17:01.937
  • It seems like an utterly impossible situation the thought
  • 00:17:02.004 --> 00:17:04.606
  • Impossible situation the thought of a two state solution.
  • 00:17:04.673 --> 00:17:06.275
  • Of a two state solution. is that something?
  • 00:17:06.341 --> 00:17:07.776
  • Is that something? like, how do you view --
  • 00:17:07.843 --> 00:17:09.778
  • Like, how do you view -- what has to happen over there
  • 00:17:09.845 --> 00:17:11.246
  • What has to happen over there for there to be peace?
  • 00:17:11.313 --> 00:17:12.014
  • For there to be peace? >> so, there's two answers
  • 00:17:12.081 --> 00:17:13.115
  • >> so, there's two answers toward peace in the middle east.
  • 00:17:13.182 --> 00:17:14.616
  • Toward peace in the middle east. one is the future protection
  • 00:17:14.683 --> 00:17:16.085
  • One is the future protection of israel and two is
  • 00:17:16.151 --> 00:17:17.886
  • Of israel and two is every different nation state
  • 00:17:17.953 --> 00:17:19.455
  • Every different nation state in the middle east and how
  • 00:17:19.521 --> 00:17:20.322
  • In the middle east and how they're going to evolve.
  • 00:17:20.389 --> 00:17:22.391
  • They're going to evolve. but in israel, the only way
  • 00:17:22.458 --> 00:17:25.394
  • But in israel, the only way to peace in israel is when
  • 00:17:25.461 --> 00:17:26.728
  • To peace in israel is when the palestinians give us
  • 00:17:26.795 --> 00:17:27.930
  • The palestinians give us an unconditional surrender.
  • 00:17:27.996 --> 00:17:29.798
  • An unconditional surrender. that's the only way.
  • 00:17:29.865 --> 00:17:30.699
  • That's the only way. just to constantly
  • 00:17:30.766 --> 00:17:32.101
  • Just to constantly war after war and then have
  • 00:17:32.167 --> 00:17:33.669
  • War after war and then have a moral equivalency where they
  • 00:17:33.735 --> 00:17:35.070
  • A moral equivalency where they do what they did on october 7,
  • 00:17:35.137 --> 00:17:36.905
  • Do what they did on october 7, and then a month later the u.n.,
  • 00:17:36.972 --> 00:17:38.540
  • And then a month later the u.n., and western universities,
  • 00:17:38.607 --> 00:17:39.575
  • And western universities, and other are talking
  • 00:17:39.641 --> 00:17:40.442
  • And other are talking about the crimes against
  • 00:17:40.509 --> 00:17:42.377
  • About the crimes against humanity that israel did.
  • 00:17:42.444 --> 00:17:44.046
  • Humanity that israel did. and you litigant who happens
  • 00:17:44.113 --> 00:17:46.315
  • And you litigant who happens to be muslim at the eus
  • 00:17:46.381 --> 00:17:48.083
  • To be muslim at the eus is an islamist tried to bring
  • 00:17:48.150 --> 00:17:50.285
  • Is an islamist tried to bring prime minister netanyahu
  • 00:17:50.352 --> 00:17:52.754
  • Prime minister netanyahu unto a war crimes tribunal.
  • 00:17:52.821 --> 00:17:54.389
  • Unto a war crimes tribunal. and president trump
  • 00:17:54.456 --> 00:17:55.424
  • And president trump now appropriately is going
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  • Now appropriately is going to take our fundings away
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  • To take our fundings away from that entire process
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  • From that entire process because the u.n. contrary
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  • Because the u.n. contrary to what eleanor roosevelt
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  • To what eleanor roosevelt had envisioned,
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  • Had envisioned, has become basically
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  • Has become basically a league of dictatorships
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  • A league of dictatorships against the west.
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  • Against the west. and that little,
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  • And that little, small state is the focus
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  • Small state is the focus of over half of their time,
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  • Of over half of their time, be -- and they don't
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  • Be -- and they don't care about china.
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  • Care about china. they don't care about what
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  • They don't care about what china is doing to the uyghurs
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  • China is doing to the uyghurs or what's happening
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  • Or what's happening in russia or elsewhere.
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  • In russia or elsewhere. >> they don't care
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  • >> they don't care about north korea.
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  • About north korea. they don't care about iran.
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  • They don't care about iran. they just sanctioned israel.
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  • They just sanctioned israel. >> because it's a dictator's
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  • >> because it's a dictator's club against the folks
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  • Club against the folks that would try --
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  • That would try -- that would actually be
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  • That would actually be the ones to facilitate their
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  • The ones to facilitate their own weakness into actually
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  • Own weakness into actually be anti-china, anti-putin.
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  • Be anti-china, anti-putin. all of the evil actors, say,
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  • All of the evil actors, say, "hey, the way to prevent
  • 00:18:40.869 --> 00:18:42.437
  • "hey, the way to prevent the u.n. from actually
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  • The u.n. from actually exposing who we are,"
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  • Exposing who we are," and that's why president trump
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  • And that's why president trump appropriately pulled
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  • Appropriately pulled out of human --
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  • Out of human -- the façade of the human rights
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  • The façade of the human rights council that is in the u.n.
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  • Council that is in the u.n. is it's simply a con-operation
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  • Is it's simply a con-operation that's happening and we
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  • That's happening and we shouldn't be funding it.
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  • Shouldn't be funding it. >> well, let's fo --
  • 00:18:56.952 --> 00:18:57.886
  • >> well, let's fo -- we just have a little time left,
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  • We just have a little time left, let's talk about
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  • Let's talk about the two states' solution.
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  • The two states' solution. i just heard
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  • I just heard economist jeffery sachs,
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  • Economist jeffery sachs, very influential economist
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  • Very influential economist saying that the only solution
  • 00:19:06.495 --> 00:19:07.963
  • Saying that the only solution is a two state solution,
  • 00:19:08.030 --> 00:19:10.132
  • Is a two state solution, and israel going back
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  • And israel going back to the pre '67 borders.
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  • To the pre '67 borders. what's your thoughts on this?
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  • What's your thoughts on this? >> most of us in this community
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  • >> most of us in this community that i've been talking
  • 00:19:16.572 --> 00:19:17.105
  • That i've been talking about debate, debating,
  • 00:19:17.172 --> 00:19:19.007
  • About debate, debating, which should be the way forward.
  • 00:19:19.074 --> 00:19:20.309
  • Which should be the way forward. even my friends
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  • Even my friends at the foundation
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  • At the foundation for defense of democracy,
  • 00:19:21.710 --> 00:19:22.711
  • For defense of democracy, if you look at mr. goldberg
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  • If you look at mr. goldberg there who's running that,
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  • There who's running that, he talked about
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  • He talked about two state solution,
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  • Two state solution, and last week came out
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  • And last week came out and said he apologized
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  • And said he apologized to the jewish community,
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  • To the jewish community, and said,
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  • And said, "we've been very forthright
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  • "we've been very forthright about the need for some
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  • About the need for some identification there."
  • 00:19:36.058 --> 00:19:36.992
  • Identification there." and fdd is very, you know,
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  • And fdd is very, you know, upfront on these issues.
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  • Upfront on these issues. and he apologized for supporting
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  • And he apologized for supporting two states solution
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  • Two states solution and he said what i've been
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  • And he said what i've been saying for a long time.
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  • Saying for a long time. is that imagine syria was not a
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  • Is that imagine syria was not a state and assad was running it,
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  • State and assad was running it, and would you give them
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  • And would you give them the right to a state?
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  • The right to a state? no.
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  • No. not with assad running it
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  • Not with assad running it and not with 30 years of --
  • 00:19:57.112 --> 00:19:58.714
  • And not with 30 years of -- or 40 years of baathism
  • 00:19:58.780 --> 00:19:59.948
  • Or 40 years of baathism which is incompatible
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  • Which is incompatible with human rights
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  • With human rights domestically and globally.
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  • Domestically and globally. so, the palestinians have
  • 00:20:04.586 --> 00:20:07.155
  • So, the palestinians have to first surrender that
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  • To first surrender that they are going to not only
  • 00:20:08.991 --> 00:20:10.058
  • They are going to not only rid themselves of hamas,
  • 00:20:10.125 --> 00:20:11.693
  • Rid themselves of hamas, but the ideologies
  • 00:20:11.760 --> 00:20:12.728
  • But the ideologies that create hamas.
  • 00:20:12.794 --> 00:20:14.896
  • That create hamas. so --
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  • So -- >> genocide actually, to push
  • 00:20:15.330 --> 00:20:16.465
  • >> genocide actually, to push israel into the state.
  • 00:20:16.531 --> 00:20:17.532
  • Israel into the state. >> exactly.
  • 00:20:17.599 --> 00:20:18.133
  • >> exactly. i wanna disrupt this
  • 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:20.569
  • I wanna disrupt this dialogue about two states.
  • 00:20:20.636 --> 00:20:22.070
  • Dialogue about two states. why do we keep using
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  • Why do we keep using the old technology?
  • 00:20:23.005 --> 00:20:23.739
  • The old technology? two state solution
  • 00:20:23.805 --> 00:20:24.773
  • Two state solution is an old technology.
  • 00:20:24.840 --> 00:20:26.608
  • Is an old technology. 21st century technology
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  • 21st century technology of discussing solutions
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  • Of discussing solutions in the middle east is looking
  • 00:20:29.511 --> 00:20:31.446
  • In the middle east is looking at a way forward, a pathway,
  • 00:20:31.513 --> 00:20:34.316
  • At a way forward, a pathway, that doesn't talk about
  • 00:20:34.383 --> 00:20:35.350
  • That doesn't talk about state yet.
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  • State yet. they haven't earned that.
  • 00:20:36.051 --> 00:20:37.486
  • They haven't earned that. when we were in
  • 00:20:37.552 --> 00:20:38.287
  • When we were in the colony's era in america,
  • 00:20:38.353 --> 00:20:40.422
  • The colony's era in america, nobody was talking about
  • 00:20:40.489 --> 00:20:41.423
  • Nobody was talking about the united states of america.
  • 00:20:41.490 --> 00:20:42.758
  • The united states of america. they hadn't had
  • 00:20:42.824 --> 00:20:43.258
  • They hadn't had the technology yet.
  • 00:20:43.325 --> 00:20:44.359
  • The technology yet. they got together.
  • 00:20:44.426 --> 00:20:45.160
  • They got together. we had the constitutional
  • 00:20:45.227 --> 00:20:45.994
  • We had the constitutional convention in 1789,
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  • Convention in 1789, 13 years after 1776.
  • 00:20:48.797 --> 00:20:51.166
  • 13 years after 1776. so, if the palestinians
  • 00:20:51.233 --> 00:20:52.701
  • So, if the palestinians are gonna have their liberation
  • 00:20:52.768 --> 00:20:53.869
  • Are gonna have their liberation moment against their rulers,
  • 00:20:53.935 --> 00:20:55.771
  • Moment against their rulers, which is not israel,
  • 00:20:55.837 --> 00:20:56.705
  • Which is not israel, they first have to acknowledge
  • 00:20:56.772 --> 00:20:57.739
  • They first have to acknowledge that israel is not
  • 00:20:57.806 --> 00:20:58.440
  • That israel is not their problem.
  • 00:20:58.507 --> 00:20:59.508
  • Their problem. it's hamas and the militancy.
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  • It's hamas and the militancy. don't rebuild it and allow it
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  • Don't rebuild it and allow it to being rebuilt until
  • 00:21:03.245 --> 00:21:05.380
  • To being rebuilt until we secure an
  • 00:21:05.447 --> 00:21:05.981
  • We secure an unconditional surrender.
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  • Unconditional surrender. >> wow.
  • 00:21:07.049 --> 00:21:07.749
  • >> wow. that is such a great point.
  • 00:21:07.816 --> 00:21:10.218
  • That is such a great point. gaza was in attempt to be
  • 00:21:10.285 --> 00:21:12.354
  • Gaza was in attempt to be at peace and give them autonomy,
  • 00:21:12.421 --> 00:21:15.123
  • At peace and give them autonomy, but they just made it
  • 00:21:15.190 --> 00:21:16.024
  • But they just made it into a staging ground
  • 00:21:16.091 --> 00:21:16.992
  • Into a staging ground for missile attacks.
  • 00:21:17.059 --> 00:21:18.126
  • For missile attacks. it just didn't work.
  • 00:21:18.193 --> 00:21:19.094
  • It just didn't work. so, really, the leadership
  • 00:21:19.161 --> 00:21:20.395
  • So, really, the leadership has to be completely changed
  • 00:21:20.462 --> 00:21:21.997
  • Has to be completely changed and there needs to be
  • 00:21:22.064 --> 00:21:22.764
  • And there needs to be a system of reeducation
  • 00:21:22.831 --> 00:21:24.066
  • A system of reeducation of the palestinians.
  • 00:21:24.132 --> 00:21:25.334
  • Of the palestinians. >> hamas has to be thrown away.
  • 00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:27.235
  • >> hamas has to be thrown away. the process of developing
  • 00:21:27.302 --> 00:21:28.837
  • The process of developing who their new leadership
  • 00:21:28.904 --> 00:21:29.805
  • Who their new leadership has to have a vetting process
  • 00:21:29.871 --> 00:21:31.773
  • Has to have a vetting process to where they can accept
  • 00:21:31.840 --> 00:21:33.342
  • To where they can accept that western values
  • 00:21:33.408 --> 00:21:34.276
  • That western values or their mantra, if you will,
  • 00:21:34.343 --> 00:21:36.678
  • Or their mantra, if you will, and a recognition
  • 00:21:36.745 --> 00:21:38.113
  • And a recognition of respect of equality,
  • 00:21:38.180 --> 00:21:39.948
  • Of respect of equality, that there's no
  • 00:21:40.015 --> 00:21:40.849
  • That there's no moral equivalency between israel
  • 00:21:40.916 --> 00:21:42.351
  • Moral equivalency between israel defending itself versus terror
  • 00:21:42.417 --> 00:21:44.886
  • Defending itself versus terror against noncombatants,
  • 00:21:44.953 --> 00:21:46.621
  • Against noncombatants, and children, and women,
  • 00:21:46.688 --> 00:21:47.622
  • And children, and women, and elderly.
  • 00:21:47.689 --> 00:21:48.390
  • And elderly. that's just incomparable.
  • 00:21:48.457 --> 00:21:50.292
  • That's just incomparable. i'm not saying that
  • 00:21:50.359 --> 00:21:51.093
  • I'm not saying that there haven't been innocent
  • 00:21:51.159 --> 00:21:52.260
  • There haven't been innocent killed in gaza,
  • 00:21:52.327 --> 00:21:52.994
  • Killed in gaza, and i wish there was a way
  • 00:21:53.061 --> 00:21:54.296
  • And i wish there was a way that could have been prevented
  • 00:21:54.363 --> 00:21:55.497
  • That could have been prevented just as i do in japan
  • 00:21:55.564 --> 00:21:57.366
  • Just as i do in japan in world war ii or in germany.
  • 00:21:57.432 --> 00:21:59.000
  • In world war ii or in germany. but unfortunately, this is a war
  • 00:21:59.067 --> 00:22:01.436
  • But unfortunately, this is a war that hamas declared on october 7
  • 00:22:01.503 --> 00:22:03.105
  • That hamas declared on october 7 and every year before it.
  • 00:22:03.171 --> 00:22:04.740
  • And every year before it. and as they built these tunnels,
  • 00:22:04.806 --> 00:22:06.174
  • And as they built these tunnels, it was a process in which
  • 00:22:06.241 --> 00:22:07.976
  • It was a process in which they used innocent people
  • 00:22:08.043 --> 00:22:09.311
  • They used innocent people as shields and use them
  • 00:22:09.378 --> 00:22:11.146
  • As shields and use them as guards for attacks that
  • 00:22:11.213 --> 00:22:14.349
  • As guards for attacks that they did against israel.
  • 00:22:14.416 --> 00:22:16.618
  • They did against israel. so, you know,
  • 00:22:16.685 --> 00:22:17.519
  • So, you know, as we look forward,
  • 00:22:17.586 --> 00:22:19.888
  • As we look forward, every freedom
  • 00:22:19.955 --> 00:22:20.789
  • Every freedom has come at a price.
  • 00:22:20.856 --> 00:22:22.057
  • Has come at a price. and i hope
  • 00:22:22.124 --> 00:22:23.058
  • And i hope the palestinian community
  • 00:22:23.125 --> 00:22:24.126
  • The palestinian community and those of us that
  • 00:22:24.192 --> 00:22:25.160
  • And those of us that believe in reformation
  • 00:22:25.227 --> 00:22:27.062
  • Believe in reformation within islam can say that,
  • 00:22:27.129 --> 00:22:29.064
  • Within islam can say that, "okay, we need to advocate for
  • 00:22:29.131 --> 00:22:32.234
  • "okay, we need to advocate for values that are consistent
  • 00:22:32.300 --> 00:22:35.203
  • Values that are consistent and transparent."
  • 00:22:35.270 --> 00:22:37.172
  • And transparent." >> dr. jasser,
  • 00:22:37.239 --> 00:22:37.873
  • >> dr. jasser, we have a saying in yiddish,
  • 00:22:37.939 --> 00:22:39.608
  • We have a saying in yiddish, "from your mouth to god's ear."
  • 00:22:39.674 --> 00:22:41.877
  • "from your mouth to god's ear." >> thank you.
  • 00:22:41.943 --> 00:22:42.411
  • >> thank you. >> and may that be the case.
  • 00:22:42.477 --> 00:22:43.545
  • >> and may that be the case. thank you for spending
  • 00:22:43.612 --> 00:22:44.846
  • Thank you for spending the time with us.
  • 00:22:44.913 --> 00:22:45.614
  • The time with us. >> and i'm hoping to share in
  • 00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:46.982
  • >> and i'm hoping to share in your principles of tikkun olam,
  • 00:22:47.048 --> 00:22:49.684
  • Your principles of tikkun olam, repairing the world.
  • 00:22:49.751 --> 00:22:50.252
  • Repairing the world. >> thank you.
  • 00:22:50.318 --> 00:22:50.685
  • >> thank you. >> thank you.
  • 00:22:50.752 --> 00:22:51.553
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  • 00:22:52.687 --> 00:22:53.088
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  • >> scott, as we've listened
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  • >> scott, as we've listened to all of these
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  • To all of these intricate details,
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  • Intricate details, the bottom line still is
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  • The bottom line still is this is spiritual.
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  • This is spiritual. all this is spiritual.
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  • All this is spiritual. >> yeah.
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  • >> yeah. >> and i think
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  • >> and i think many of the things that
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  • Many of the things that you're going through right now,
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  • You're going through right now, 'cause we get your emails,
  • 00:24:37.259 --> 00:24:38.126
  • 'cause we get your emails, we get your letters,
  • 00:24:38.193 --> 00:24:39.594
  • We get your letters, are spiritual, and the solution
  • 00:24:39.661 --> 00:24:41.096
  • Are spiritual, and the solution is spiritual.
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  • Is spiritual. god answers prayer.
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  • God answers prayer. and all of this is about faith.
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  • And all of this is about faith. if you trust god,
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  • If you trust god, if you believe god,
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  • If you believe god, abraham believed god
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  • Abraham believed god and it was accounted
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  • And it was accounted unto him for righteousness.
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  • Unto him for righteousness. we wanna take a moment to pray
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  • We wanna take a moment to pray for you, for your needs.
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  • For you, for your needs. but god is the answer, he is.
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  • But god is the answer, he is. so, don't run from him,
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  • So, don't run from him, run to him in faith.
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  • Run to him in faith. >> amen.
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  • >> amen. we agree with you today.
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  • We agree with you today. father, in the name of yeshua,
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  • Father, in the name of yeshua, we pray, great god,
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  • We pray, great god, the prince of peace would
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  • The prince of peace would inhabit each one watching
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  • Inhabit each one watching and listening to us today, lord.
  • 00:25:13.094 --> 00:25:14.763
  • And listening to us today, lord. for those who are
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  • For those who are believing you for healing,
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  • Believing you for healing, for those who are believing
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  • For those who are believing you lord for restoration
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  • You lord for restoration and family relationships,
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  • And family relationships, restoration in their finances.
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  • Restoration in their finances. lord, i just pray that you,
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  • Lord, i just pray that you, the god of peace, would come.
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  • The god of peace, would come. and even as we've talked about
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  • And even as we've talked about things on this show today,
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  • Things on this show today, things that seem
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  • Things that seem impossible with man,
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  • Impossible with man, they're possible with you.
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  • They're possible with you. if peace is possible
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  • If peace is possible in jerusalem,
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  • In jerusalem, what else can't you do?
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  • What else can't you do? so, we believe you, god,
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  • So, we believe you, god, for each person watching,
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  • For each person watching, touch, deliver, bring healing,
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  • Touch, deliver, bring healing, and bring hope and courage
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  • And bring hope and courage in yeshua's name.
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  • In yeshua's name. >> healing and wholeness in
  • 00:25:47.662 --> 00:25:48.997
  • >> healing and wholeness in jesus' name, in yeshua's name.
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  • Jesus' name, in yeshua's name. and i especially wanna speak
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  • And i especially wanna speak to those of you that have
  • 00:25:52.367 --> 00:25:53.435
  • To those of you that have not yet committed your life
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  • Not yet committed your life to the lord and invited
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  • To the lord and invited yeshua jesus into your heart,
  • 00:25:57.238 --> 00:25:59.207
  • Yeshua jesus into your heart, especially if you're jewish.
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  • Especially if you're jewish. he's your messiah.
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  • He's your messiah. and for everyone else,
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  • And for everyone else, he's your savior also.
  • 00:26:02.510 --> 00:26:03.745
  • He's your savior also. so, just ask him.
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  • So, just ask him. it's about faith.
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  • It's about faith. it's a faith proposition.
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  • It's a faith proposition. just say, "god, i trust you.
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  • Just say, "god, i trust you. i believe in you.
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  • I believe in you. i wanna live for you.
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  • I wanna live for you. and forgive me of my sins."
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  • And forgive me of my sins." and that simple prayer
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  • And that simple prayer will change your life.
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  • Will change your life. we invite you also
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  • We invite you also to continue to discover more
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  • To continue to discover more about the jewish foundations
  • 00:26:22.263 --> 00:26:24.165
  • About the jewish foundations of your faith.
  • 00:26:24.232 --> 00:26:25.800
  • Of your faith. you can go to our website,
  • 00:26:25.867 --> 00:26:26.868
  • You can go to our website, jewishvoice.tv,
  • 00:26:26.935 --> 00:26:28.003
  • Jewishvoice.tv, where you'll find
  • 00:26:28.069 --> 00:26:28.770
  • Where you'll find great resources to help you
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  • Great resources to help you grow spiritually
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  • Grow spiritually and opportunities to join
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  • And opportunities to join the mission here at jewish voice
  • 00:26:33.642 --> 00:26:35.777
  • The mission here at jewish voice of reaching the jewish people
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  • Of reaching the jewish people and their neighbors with
  • 00:26:38.013 --> 00:26:39.280
  • And their neighbors with the good news of jesus,
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  • The good news of jesus, the only way to salvation.
  • 00:26:41.616 --> 00:26:44.185
  • The only way to salvation. his name is yeshua, salvation.
  • 00:26:44.252 --> 00:26:46.488
  • His name is yeshua, salvation. so, don't wait.
  • 00:26:46.554 --> 00:26:47.522
  • So, don't wait. okay, i also wanna
  • 00:26:47.589 --> 00:26:48.223
  • Okay, i also wanna remind you to pray
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  • For the peace of jerusalem.
  • 00:26:49.724 --> 00:26:51.760
  • For the peace of jerusalem. they need prayer, not just jews,
  • 00:26:51.826 --> 00:26:54.095
  • They need prayer, not just jews, but arabs.
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  • But arabs. not just israelis,
  • 00:26:54.963 --> 00:26:56.231
  • Not just israelis, but palestinians.
  • 00:26:56.297 --> 00:26:57.165
  • But palestinians. god's peace plan
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  • God's peace plan is the prince of peace,
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  • Is the prince of peace, and we are called to pray
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  • For their true peace.
  • 00:27:02.003 --> 00:27:03.705
  • For their true peace. and also remember
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  • And also remember the greatest gift
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  • The greatest gift that you can share with
  • 00:27:06.107 --> 00:27:07.142
  • That you can share with any jewish person or anyone
  • 00:27:07.208 --> 00:27:08.810
  • Any jewish person or anyone for that matter is the good news
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  • For that matter is the good news of the savior,
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  • Of the savior, the messiah of israel,
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  • The messiah of israel, and the savior of the world,
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  • And the savior of the world, yeshua, jesus.
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  • Yeshua, jesus. until next time,
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  • Until next time, this is jonathan bernis
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  • This is jonathan bernis along with scott volk saying
  • 00:27:19.454 --> 00:27:20.655
  • Along with scott volk saying shalom and god bless you.
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  • ♪ ♪
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