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  • [ANNOUNCER] LIVE FROM WASHINGTON D.C. JAY SEKULOW
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  • LIVE. PHONE LINES ARE OPEN FOR YOUR QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • AND NOW, CHIEF COUNSEL FOR THE AMERICAN CENTER FOR LAW
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  • AND JUSTICE, JAY SEKULOW! JAY SEKULOW: WELCOME EVERYBODY TO A
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  • SPECIAL BROADCAST AND ESPECIALLY THIS HOLIDAY SEASON. I HAD THE
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  • GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN WITH MY FRIENDS MATT AND LAURIE
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  • CROUCH ON THE SET AT TBN JUST A FEW DAYS AGO, REALLY TO DISCUSS
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  • THE BOOK THAT WE'VE WRITTEN CALLED "UNHOLY ALLIANCE" DEALING
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  • WITH IRAN, RUSSIA, JIHADISM. AND AS WE CELEBRATE THE HOLIDAY
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  • SEASON, BUT ALSO AS WE LOOK AT THE NATURE OF WHAT WE'RE FACING
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  • AS A COUNTRY, WE WANT YOU TO BE EDUCATED AND INFORMED. SO WE HAD
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  • A GREAT DISCUSSION AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A FANTASTIC
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  • OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO HEAR SOME OF THE DISCUSSION THAT TOOK
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  • PLACE BETWEEN ME, MATT, & LAURIE DEALING WITH THIS ISSUE OF THE
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  • UNHOLY ALLIANCE. AND THEN TBN HAD A VERY SPECIAL OFFER ON HOW
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  • YOU CAN ACTUALLY GET THE BOOK FOR ANY DONATION OF ANY AMOUNT
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  • THROUGH TBN. THERE'S AN 800 NUMBER UP ON THE SCREEN RIGHT
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  • NOW AND YOU CAN USE THAT NUMBER TO GET THE BOOK "UNHOLY
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  • ALLIANCE" AND IT'S A SIGNED COPY OF THE BOOK. SO WE ENCOURAGE YOU
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  • TO DO THAT. HERE'S THAT INTERVIEW: MATT CROUCH: JAY
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  • SEKULOW IS WITH US FOR THIS ENTIRE 90 MINUTES. THIS IS A
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  • LIVE PROGRAM. WE WELCOME YOU TO PRAISE. I'M MATTHEW CROUCH. MY
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  • WIFE, LAURIE J. LAURIE CROUCH: GOOD EVENING. -WE'RE TALKING
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  • ABOUT YOUR LATEST BOOK "UNHOLY ALLIANCE". WHY IS THIS BOOK, THE
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  • CONTENT OF THIS BOOK, WHY IS IT RELEVANT FOR NOW, THIS MINUTE?
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  • WHAT'S GOING ON INSIDE THIS BOOK? JAY SEKULOW: WELL, LOOK,
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  • WE'RE IN A POSITION IN OUR HISTORY, AND IN THE UNITED
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  • STATES RIGHT NOW, ACTUALLY, WHERE WE'RE IN A TRANSITION OF
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  • GOVERNMENT. AND THAT'S WHEN OUR ENEMY VIEWS US AS THE MOST
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  • VULNERABLE. -WOW. -REPUBLICAN, DEMOCRAT, INDEPENDENT, GREEN
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  • PARTY, IT DOESN'T MATTER. WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH A TRANSITION
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  • OF GOVERNMENT, WE DO IT PEACEFULLY IN THE UNITED STATES,
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  • UNLIKE OTHER COUNTRIES, BUT WE'RE DEEMED TO BE VULNERABLE.
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  • BY WHO? WELL, BY GROUPS THAT ARE OPERATING WITH THE THEOLOGICAL
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  • IDEOLOGY AND THAT IS THIS VERSION OF ISLAM THAT, THEY'RE
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  • JIHADISTS. I DON'T EVEN LIKE CALLING IT RADICAL ISLAM
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  • ANYMORE. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE FAIR WORD. THEY'RE
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  • JIHADISTS. THEY ARE BENT ON THE DESTRUCTION OF THE WEST. THEY
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  • WANT TO DISRUPT OUR WAY OF LIFE, THE FREEDOMS THAT WE ENJOY FROM
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  • FREEDOM OF SPEECH TO FREEDOM OF RELIGION TO FREE EXERCISE. I
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  • MEAN, THIS IS A MENTALITY, MATT & LAURIE, THAT WE HAVE TO
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  • UNDERSTAND BECAUSE IT'S AN INTERGENERATIONAL CONFLICT. SO I
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  • WROTE "UNHOLY ALLIANCE" BECAUSE THE PLAYERS ARE LINING UP IN A
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  • VERY DIFFERENT WAY THAN MOST OF US THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE.
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  • YOU'VE GOT RUSSIA BECOMING A MAJOR FORCE IN THE MIDDLE EAST
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  • AGAIN. SINCE THE COLLAPSE OF THE SOVIET UNION, THEY'VE BEEN
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  • VACANT FROM THE MIDDLE EAST. THEY'RE NOW THE MAJOR FORCE.
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  • THEY'RE WORKING WITH THE IRANIANS. THE IRANIANS ARE BENT
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  • ON 1 THING, GET EXPORTING THEIR VERSION OF SHARIA. SO THEY WILL
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  • FIGHT WITH THE SUNNI, THE SHIA WILL FIGHT WITH THE SUNNI, BUT
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  • THEY WILL ALSO JOIN FORCES WITH THE SUNNI IF IT'S GOING TO END A
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  • COMMON ENEMY. WHO'S THE COMMON ENEMY? THE UNITED STATES AND
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  • ISRAEL. ISRAEL IS THE LITTLE ENEMY. THEY'RE THE ONES IN THE
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  • WAY. AND THEN THE UNITED STATES IS THE BIG TARGET BECAUSE WE'RE
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  • THE REAL CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC. WE'RE THE ONES THAT
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  • BELIEVE IN LIBERTY AND FREEDOM AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO
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  • END. SO IT'S EXPORTING THE REVOLUTION. -OKAY, JAY SEKULOW,
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  • I'M HOLDING UP YOUR LATEST BOOK. YOU ARE A #1 NEW YORK TIME BEST
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  • SELLING AUTHOR. THAT WAS FOR YOUR BOOK "THE RISE OF ISIS".
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  • THIS IS THE FOLLOW-UP BOOK "UNHOLY ALLIANCE" BY JAY
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  • SEKULOW. THAT 800 # IS ON THE SCREEN FOR YOU. FOR THOSE
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  • WATCHING THIS WILL END ALL DOUBT WHETHER THIS IS A LIVE PROGRAM,
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  • WE'VE JUST BEEN THROUGH PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. TODAY IS
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  • NOVEMBER 17TH, 2016 AND THIS SUBJECT MATTER IS MORE IMPORTANT
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  • THIS MINUTE THAN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN EVEN PRIOR TO. -SURE. -SO
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  • IN AMERICA, LIKE YOU'VE JUST POINTED OUT, WE HAVE A PEACEFUL
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  • TRANSITION OF POWER. WE CELEBRATE THAT AND THAT'S WHAT
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  • WE ALL BELIEVE IN REGARDLESS OF POLITICS. -RIGHT. -YOU HAD A
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  • REALLY GOOD STATEMENT ABOUT POLITICS BACK IN THE GREEN ROOM,
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  • WHICH WAS? -LOOK, WE'VE HAD THIS BIG TRANSITION OF
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  • GOVERNMENT NOW, WE'RE IN THAT PROCESS. WE'RE IN THE NEXT 60
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  • DAYS, BASICALLY, TILL THE PRESIDENT ELECT BECOMES THE
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  • PRESIDENT. AND POLITICS IS IMPORTANT, BUT ABRAHAM KUYPER, A
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  • FAMOUS THEOLOGIAN, DUTCH THEOLOGIAN, FAMOUSLY SAID
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  • POLITICS ARE IMPORTANT, WE SHOULD ENGAGE IN POLITICS, BUT
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  • REMEMBER THIS, POLITICS NEVER RAISED ANYONE FROM THE DEAD. AND
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  • I THINK WE HAVE TO OPERATE WITH THAT ASSUMPTION, BECAUSE IT'S
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  • NOT JUST AN ASSUMPTION, IT'S A FACT. SO ENGAGING IN POLITICS IS
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  • IMPORTANT BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT IS NOT THE MESSAGE
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  • THAT PREVAILS. -RIGHT. -AND THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING
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  • EVERY DAY AROUND THE WORLD, IS OFFERING HOPE. AND IN THIS BOOK,
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  • EVEN WITH A TOPIC AS HARD AS THIS, IN THE SENSE THAT, THIS
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  • ISN'T A PRETTY PICTURE WHEN YOU'VE GOT THE IRANIANS AND THE
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  • RUSSIANS AND ASSYRIANS IN CAHOOTS, AND YOU LOOK AT THAT,
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  • BUT I END IT WITH OFFERING HOPE. YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE HOPE HERE.
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  • AND WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE CONFLICT WE'RE IN, BECAUSE, AS I
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  • SAID, MATT & LAURIE, THEY THINK INTERGENERATIONAL, IN THE UNITED
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  • STATES WE'RE KIND OF LIKE THE ISRAELIS, WE LIKE OUR WARS 6
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  • DAYS, 2 WEEKS. -RIGHT. -YOU KNOW, THE UNITED STATES, WE'RE
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  • NOT REALLY GREAT ON 15 YEARS WARS. BUT THEY THINK
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  • INTERGENERATIONALLY. IT'S THE 1.000 YEAR WAR, IT'S THE 100
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  • YEAR WAR. THAT'S HOW THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT. I'M GOING TO HAVE
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  • A LOT MORE WITH OUR INTERVIEW WITH MATT AND LAURIE CROUCH ON
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  • THE SET OF TBN. THE BOOK "UNHOLY ALLIANCE"; THERE'S A NUMBER ON
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  • THE SCREEN FROM TBN, YOU CAN GET IT. WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO IT.
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  • YOU'LL BE HELPING TBN OUT AND YOU'LL BE HELPING US OUT AT THE
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  • SAME TIME. BACK WITH MORE IN A MOMENT.
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  • JAY SEKULOW: WE'VE GOT
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  • MORE DISCUSSION AHEAD ON THIS. LOOK, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE
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  • BOOK "UNHOLY ALLIANCE". I HAD A GREAT INTERVIEW TIME WITH MATT &
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  • LAURIE CROUCH AT TBN ON THE SET OF THE PRAISE PROGRAM. I WANT TO
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  • GO RIGHT TO THAT AS WE DISCUSS THE BOOK. MATT CROUCH: YOU ARE
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  • KNOWN AS A FREE SPEECH LAWYER. JAY SEKULOW: RIGHT. -THIS
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  • STUDIO THAT WE'RE PRODUCING THIS PROGRAM IN, YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN
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  • HERE IN THE ARLY 80'S. -YES. -WE'VE KNOWN EACH OTHER FOR
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  • GENERATIONS. -MOST OF OUR ADULT LIVES. [LAUGHTER] -I DON'T KNOW
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  • WHAT I'VE NOT KNOWN YOU. -RIGHT. -AND SO, JAY, MAYBE
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  • PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE CURRENT RESUME INCLUDES 12
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  • ARGUMENTS AT THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
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  • -I WAS HERE THE WEEK AFTER MY FIRST CASE ON THIS SET, A
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  • DIFFERENT SET, BUT IN THIS BUILDING IN 1987. -WOW! -ISN'T
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  • THAT SOMETHING? -THAT WAS A DOZEN CASES AGO THAT I'VE
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  • ARGUED. WE'VE DONE 20 BUT I'VE ARGUED 12 OF THEM. YES. SO I
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  • MEAN, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. WE'VE KNOWN EACH OTHER A LONG
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  • TIME. -OKAY, SO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS BOOK, THIS SUBJECT,
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  • CHAPTER 10 JUMPED OUT TO ME AND I WANT TO GET INTO CHAPTER 10 IN
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  • REGARDS TO THIS. SO FOR THOSE WATCHING, LET ME JUST SET
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  • SOMETHING UP, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHEN, MAYBE JAY WILL SET A
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  • DATE HERE LATER ON IN THE BROADCAST WHEN JESUS IS COMING
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  • BACK, BUT ALL OF THIS GEO-POLITIC STUFF IS REAL. SO
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  • FOR THOSE THAT ARE WATCHING TONIGHT, AND AGAIN TONIGHT'S
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  • LIVE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU CAN CALL IN. WE'RE RIGHT
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  • HERE IN THE STUDIO. THE OPERATORS OR SOME OF THE
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  • OPERATORS ARE RIGHT HERE IN THE STUDIO IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION.
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  • BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE "UNHOLY ALLIANCE" THIS CONFLICT
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  • THAT IS GOING ON IN SYRIA. THE UNITED STATES HAS BASICALLY
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  • WITHDRAWN, -RIGHT. -THERE IS A VACUUM OF POWER AND IT'S BEING
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  • FILLED. OKAY? SO BIBLE PROPHECY AND WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW
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  • TO THOSE PEOPLE THAT LOVE THAT SUBJECT, AND THERE ARE MANY,
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  • -RIGHT. -HOW DO YOU CONNECT THIS BOOK INTO WHAT THAT IS?
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  • -WE'RE LIVING IT. I MEAN, WHAT'S DISCUSSED IN THE BOOK, I
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  • MEAN, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT IRAN, YOU TALK ABOUT RUSSIA. THIS IS
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  • NOT FOREIGN TO THE SCRIPTURES. SO WE ARE LIVING OUT AND SEEING
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  • AND WITNESSING BIBLICAL FULFILLMENTS EVERY SINGLE DAY.
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  • THE PROBLEM IS, AND THIS IS THE REASON WE WROTE THE BOOK, AND
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  • THE REASON I WANTED TO WRITE THIS PARTICULAR BOOK WAS TO
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  • UNDERSTAND THE TIMES AND SEASONS WE LIVE IN. I MEAN, WE'RE
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  • SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE TIME AND SEASONS
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  • WE LIVE IN. YOU'VE GOT TO UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY. THIS IS
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  • NOT, YOU SAID IT RIGHT, MATT, NONE OF THIS HAS HAPPENED IN A
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  • VACUUM. THIS DIDN'T POP UP OVERNIGHT. EVEN THE IRANIAN
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  • REVOLUTION, THE 1979 IRANIAN REVOLUTION WAS BREWING FOR
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  • DECADES. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PERSSIAN EMPIRE. WE FORGET ABOUT
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  • THESE THINGS, THAT IRAN WAS THIS HUGE EMPIRE. NOW T.E. LAWRENCE,
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  • LAWRENCE OF ARABIA, REMEMBER, WE'VE SEEN THE MOVIE WITH OMAR
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  • SHARFIF. I MEAN, GREAT MOVIE, INTERESTING GUY; UNDERSTOOD IT
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  • WAS AN ERA, WHICH NOW WE WOULD SAY HOW COULD THAT EVEN BE; WAS
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  • PRO-ARAB, AND PRO-JEWISH. PRO-ISRAEL, THE ESTABLISHMENT OF
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  • A JEWISH STATE, AND PRO-ARAB. NOW THAT WAS NOT UNUSUAL THEN.
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  • IT'S A LOT MORE COMPLICATED NOW. BUT HE CAME IN CONTACT WITH THE
  • 00:09:15.180 --> 00:09:19.270
  • PERSSIANS, WITH THE SHIA. AND THAT'S A BRANCH OF ISLAM AND
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  • THAT IS THE MORE RADICAL, NOT THAT THE SUNNIS AREN'T RADICAL,
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  • IT'S A DIFFERENT WAY, BUT HE SAID THEY WERE SURLY AND
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  • FANATICAL; WILLING TO KILL THE SUNNI AS WELL AS THE CHRISTIAN.
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  • SO THEN YOU'VE HAD THIS GEO-POLITICAL SITUATION. LOOK,
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  • ISRAEL'S EXISTENCE AS A JEWISH STATE, FUNDAMENTALLY, RESHAPED
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  • OUR GENERATION. I WANT TO SAY THAT FOR EVERYONE. BECAUSE UNTIL
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  • THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A JEWISH STATE, AND PEOPLE SAY WELL THE
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  • RIGHT OF ISRAEL TO EXIST, YES, BUT AS A JEWISH STATE, SO THAT'S
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  • A FULFILLMENT, OF COURSE, OF SCRIPTURE, BUT I THINK IT HAS
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  • SHAPED, WITHOUT QUESTION, OUR GENERATION. WHEN I LOOK AT OUR
  • 00:09:57.090 --> 00:10:00.140
  • GENERATION, WE WERE SHAPED BY THE MIDDLE EAST CONFLICT.
  • 00:10:00.150 --> 00:10:03.120
  • -CORRECT. -UNFORTUNATELY, OUR KIDS GENERATION ARE ALSO BEING
  • 00:10:03.130 --> 00:10:07.080
  • SHAPED BY THAT CONFLICT. UNFORTUNATELY, REALITY IS, AT
  • 00:10:07.090 --> 00:10:11.160
  • THE TIME OF SCRIPTURE ITSELF IN THE OLD TESTAMENT IT WAS BEING
  • 00:10:11.170 --> 00:10:14.280
  • SHAPED BY THE MIDDLE EAST. SO WHAT WE'RE WITNESSING, IN A
  • 00:10:14.290 --> 00:10:18.120
  • SENSE TODAY, AND WHAT WE'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH TODAY, IS AS
  • 00:10:18.130 --> 00:10:21.090
  • OLD AS THE SCRIPTURES ITSELF. AND I THINK WHAT WE HAVE TO DO,
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  • AND THE REASON THAT THIS BECAME A BURDEN TO GET THIS OUT WAS IT
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  • IS A COMPLICATED HISTORY THAT I WANT TO MAKE UNDERSTANDABLE SO
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  • THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES WE CAN ADDRESS WHAT THE
  • 00:10:31.110 --> 00:10:34.070
  • REAL PROBLEM IS. AND LIKE I SAID, THE LAST CHAPTER IS THE
  • 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:36.280
  • CHAPTER OF HOPE. I MEAN, WE HAVE THE MESSAGE OF HOPE AT THE END
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  • OF THE DAY BECAUSE THESE BATTLES CAN GO ON FOR A LONG TIME. YOU
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  • TALKED ABOUT THE VACUUM. WE'VE EVACUATED THE MIDDLE EAST. I
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  • MEAN, AND THE RUSSIANS CAME BACK IN. YOU UNDERSTAND, THE RUSSIANS
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  • HAVE 1 AIRCRAFT CARRIER. ONE: THAT'S IT. BUT THEY WANTED A
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  • WARM WATER PORT. SO THEY GET IT IN SYRIA. THAT'S THE DEAL FOR
  • 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:57.080
  • PROPING UP ASSAD. THE PROBLEM IS, IF YOU GET RID OF ASSAD,
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  • WHO'S NEXT? IS THE DEVIL YOU KNOW WORSE THAN THE DEVIL YOU
  • 00:10:59.270 --> 00:11:03.070
  • DON'T? I MEAN, THESE ARE THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND.
  • 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:05.190
  • SO WE KIND OF LAID THIS OUT IN A VERY UNDERSTANDABLE WAY. I MEAN,
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  • THIS WAS RESEARCH I DID AT OXFORD BUT I WROTE IT SO THAT
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  • ANYBODY THAT IS WATCHING US RIGHT NOW WOULD GET A REAL
  • 00:11:12.100 --> 00:11:15.140
  • UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN, WHERE WE'RE GOING AND HOW
  • 00:11:15.150 --> 00:11:18.240
  • WE CAN CONTAIN THIS. WE HAVE TO, LOOK, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE
  • 00:11:18.250 --> 00:11:22.030
  • KNOW WE WIN. OKAY? WE CLEARLY CARRY THE DAY. BUT WE'RE GOING
  • 00:11:22.040 --> 00:11:25.020
  • THROUGH THIS TIME OF TURMOIL IN OUR COUNTRY AND IT'S SERIOUS AND
  • 00:11:25.030 --> 00:11:28.030
  • WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE MIDDLE EAST RIGHT NOW AS IT RELATES TO
  • 00:11:28.040 --> 00:11:30.220
  • ISRAEL, AS IT RELATES TO CHRISTIAN PERSECUTION, YOU ALL
  • 00:11:30.230 --> 00:11:34.000
  • HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL ON A NUMBER OF PROGRAMS BECAUSE WE'VE
  • 00:11:34.010 --> 00:11:38.000
  • HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE WE'VE REPRESENTED IN THE MIDDLE EAST,
  • 00:11:38.010 --> 00:11:41.030
  • CHRISTIANS AND OTHERS, THAT HAVE JUST BEEN. I HAVE A SITUATION
  • 00:11:41.040 --> 00:11:44.180
  • RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE 2. ONE I CAN'T REALLY TALK ABOUT YET, AS
  • 00:11:44.190 --> 00:11:47.180
  • SOON AS I CAN I WILL LET YOU ALL KNOW FIRST, BUT IT'S A VERY
  • 00:11:47.190 --> 00:11:50.210
  • SERIOUS SITUATION. ANOTHER ONE IN SUDAN. THESE ARE JUST
  • 00:11:50.220 --> 00:11:54.220
  • EXAMPLES OF LITERALLY 10S OF 1.000S. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF
  • 00:11:54.230 --> 00:11:58.200
  • PEOPLE BEING DISPLACED AND WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR ROLE
  • 00:11:58.210 --> 00:12:02.010
  • IS, NOT ONLY BIBLICALLY, BUT RIGHT NOW, THIS MOMENT TODAY, AS
  • 00:12:02.020 --> 00:12:06.170
  • THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, WE ARE THAT BEACON OF HOPE. AND WE
  • 00:12:06.180 --> 00:12:10.010
  • ARE THE LAND OF THE FREE, WE'VE GOT TO ACT LIKE THE HOME OF THE
  • 00:12:10.020 --> 00:12:13.050
  • BRAVE. -GOT IT. -AND I THINK OUR MILITARY DOES A GREAT JOB IF
  • 00:12:13.060 --> 00:12:15.230
  • YOU LET THEM DO THEIR JOB. -YES. -WE ARE TALKING WITH JAY
  • 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:18.190
  • SEKULOW, CHIEF COUNSEL FOR THE AMERICAN CENTER FOR LAW AND
  • 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:23.040
  • JUSTICE IN ADDITION TO MANY OTHER THINGS THAT HE DOES. HIS
  • 00:12:23.050 --> 00:12:25.250
  • BOOK "UNHOLY ALLIANCE" IS AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW. THE 800
  • 00:12:25.260 --> 00:12:30.260
  • NUMBER IS ON THE SCREEN. AND WE HAVE COORDINATED BASICALLY WITH,
  • 00:12:30.270 --> 00:12:36.090
  • -SIMON AND SCHUSTER. -SIMON AND SCHUSTER AND YOUR SCHEDULE,
  • 00:12:36.100 --> 00:12:39.080
  • OUR SCHEDULE. TODAY IS NOVEMBER 17TH. WE ARE LIVE TONIGHT AND IF
  • 00:12:39.090 --> 00:12:43.210
  • YOU'RE WATCHING WHILE WE'RE LIVE, GIVE US A CALL. AND IF YOU
  • 00:12:43.220 --> 00:12:48.110
  • HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JAY. -YOU KNOW, MATT, ONE THING I
  • 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:50.030
  • MENTIONED TO YOU AND LAURIE BEFORE, WE'VE GOT THE CAPABILITY
  • 00:12:50.040 --> 00:12:52.140
  • OF SIGNING THESE BOOKS AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO, I WOULD
  • 00:12:52.150 --> 00:12:56.110
  • LIKE TO DO THAT. SO WE'LL GET THAT TO ANYBODY THAT GETS THE
  • 00:12:56.120 --> 00:12:59.010
  • BOOK. WHEN I'M HOPEFUL, AND WHERE I AM HOPEFUL IS, I KNOW WE
  • 00:12:59.020 --> 00:13:05.010
  • HAVE THAT MESSAGE OF HOPE, WHAT I WANT TO SEE HAPPEN IS WE, AS A
  • 00:13:05.020 --> 00:13:08.240
  • BODY OF BELIEVERS, UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHERE WE ARE. NOT ONLY
  • 00:13:08.250 --> 00:13:12.210
  • AS IT RELATES TO CURRENT EVENTS, BUT WHERE ALL THIS HAS COME
  • 00:13:12.220 --> 00:13:17.160
  • FROM. AND AS I SAID, IT IS AS OLD AS THE SCRIPTURES. THE NEXT
  • 00:13:17.170 --> 00:13:20.010
  • BOOK I'M DOING IS ON ISRAEL AND I'M GOING THROUGH THE LEGAL,
  • 00:13:20.020 --> 00:13:22.290
  • THEOLOGICAL, ARCHEOLOGICAL SUPPORT FOR THE EXISTENCE OF
  • 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:26.200
  • ISRAEL AS A JEWISH STATE, BECAUSE NOW WE HAVE TO DEFEND
  • 00:13:26.210 --> 00:13:28.150
  • THAT. WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT? OUR PARENTS GENERATION WOULD
  • 00:13:28.160 --> 00:13:31.130
  • NEVER HAVE TO BE DEFENDING THIS LIKE WE'RE NOW HAVING TO DO.
  • 00:13:31.140 --> 00:13:34.090
  • -RIGHT. -I'M GOING TO HAVE A LOT MORE WITH OUR INTERVIEW WITH
  • 00:13:34.100 --> 00:13:36.130
  • MATT AND LAURIE CROUCH ON THE SET OF TBN. THE BOOK "UNHOLY
  • 00:13:36.140 --> 00:13:39.190
  • ALLIANCE". THERE'S A NUMBER ON THE SCREEN FROM TBN. YOU CAN GET
  • 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:42.270
  • IT. WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO IT. YOU'LL BE HELPING TBN OUT AND
  • 00:13:42.280 --> 00:13:45.220
  • YOU'LL HELPING US OUT AT THE SAME TIME. BACK WITH MORE IN A
  • 00:13:45.230 --> 00:13:47.130
  • MOMENT.
  • 00:13:47.140 --> 00:13:52.100
  • JAY SEKULOW: WE'VE GOT MORE DISCUSSION AHEAD ON THIS.
  • 00:13:52.110 --> 00:13:53.180
  • LOOK, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BOOK "UNHOLY ALLIANCE". I HAD A
  • 00:13:53.190 --> 00:13:56.010
  • GREAT INTERVIEW TIME WITH MATT AND LAURIE CROUCH AT TBN ON THE
  • 00:13:56.020 --> 00:13:58.220
  • SET OF THE PRAISE PROGRAM. I WANT TO GO RIGHT TO THAT AS WE
  • 00:13:58.230 --> 00:14:02.170
  • DISCUSS THE BOOK. MATT CROUCH: FOR THOSE THAT ARE JUST TUNING
  • 00:14:02.180 --> 00:14:05.060
  • IN, WE ARE HERE IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL
  • 00:14:05.070 --> 00:14:08.050
  • DAY. OUR GUEST, JAY SEKULOW; NOVEMBER DAY IN SOUTHERN
  • 00:14:08.060 --> 00:14:12.090
  • CALIFORNIA, IT WAS LIKE 80 DEGREES TODAY. -NICE. -MOST OF
  • 00:14:12.100 --> 00:14:17.170
  • THE PEOPLE, THERE COULD BE SOME WATCHING RIGHT NOW THAT ARE
  • 00:14:17.180 --> 00:14:20.140
  • GOING, WAIT A SECOND, ISN'T THAT THAT GUY FROM FOX NEWS? YEAH,
  • 00:14:20.150 --> 00:14:24.080
  • THAT'S HIM. -THERE HE IS. -THERE'S THAT GUY. SO, JAY,
  • 00:14:24.090 --> 00:14:29.240
  • SOME PEOPLE ALSO ARE GOING, BOY, HIS VOICE SOUNDS FAMILIAR
  • 00:14:29.250 --> 00:14:34.120
  • BECAUSE THEY LISTEN TO YOU ON THE RADIO. -RIGHT. -AND SO
  • 00:14:34.130 --> 00:14:37.170
  • YOU'RE HERE WITH US TONIGHT, AND LET ME SET, LET ME BACK IT UP
  • 00:14:37.180 --> 00:14:41.250
  • JUST A TOUCH. -ABSOLUTELY. LET'S DO IT. -YOU ARE KNOWN FOR
  • 00:14:41.260 --> 00:14:48.080
  • CIVIL LIBERTIES. -RIGHT. -YOU ARE KNOWN IN WASHINGTON. SO HOW
  • 00:14:48.090 --> 00:14:52.010
  • DID A GOOD JEWISH BOY FROM, -BORN IN BROOKLYN, ACTUALLY.
  • 00:14:52.020 --> 00:14:57.250
  • -YEAH, FROM THOSE KINDS OF SENSIBILITIES START MOVING IN TO
  • 00:14:57.260 --> 00:15:02.160
  • THIS KIND OF SUBJECT MATTER. YOU'RE REALLY TALKING FOREIGN
  • 00:15:02.170 --> 00:15:05.100
  • POLICY ISSUES. -YEAH, WELL, -OKAY, WHERE DID THIS COME
  • 00:15:05.110 --> 00:15:08.140
  • FROM? -IT'S VERY PERSONAL. SO A STORY THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE
  • 00:15:08.150 --> 00:15:11.040
  • PROBABLY DON'T KNOW IS THAT I'M A GRANDSON OF A RUSSIAN
  • 00:15:11.050 --> 00:15:13.240
  • IMMIGRANT. MY GRANDFATHER CAME TO THE UNITED STATES IN 1914
  • 00:15:13.250 --> 00:15:17.090
  • THROUGH ELLIS ISLAND. HIS NAME WAS SCHMULIK, SAMUEL; THAT WAS
  • 00:15:17.100 --> 00:15:21.060
  • THE AMERICAN VERSION. SOKOLOF WAS HOW THE NAME WAS PRONOUNCED.
  • 00:15:21.070 --> 00:15:24.130
  • AND HE WAS A FRUIT PEDDLER IN BROOKLYN, NY. I MEAN, HE SOLD
  • 00:15:24.140 --> 00:15:28.000
  • FRUIT FROM A LITTLE STAND. -WOW. -AND HIS GRANSON, ME,
  • 00:15:28.010 --> 00:15:33.120
  • I'VE GOTTEN TO ARGUE CASES AT THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED
  • 00:15:33.130 --> 00:15:35.030
  • STATES AND AT THE INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT IN THE HAGUE.
  • 00:15:35.040 --> 00:15:36.160
  • -WOW. -SO, YOU KNOW, I TAKE THIS VERY PERSONALLY. MY
  • 00:15:36.170 --> 00:15:41.130
  • GRANDFATHER LEFT RUSSIA WITH HIS FAMILY, HE WAS 14, BECAUSE OF
  • 00:15:41.140 --> 00:15:45.080
  • PERSECUTION AGAINST JEWS IN RUSSIA. MY VERY FIRST CASE,
  • 00:15:45.090 --> 00:15:48.250
  • THOUGH, AT THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES, WAS BOARD OF
  • 00:15:48.260 --> 00:15:50.100
  • AIRPORT COMMISSIONERS VERSUS JEWS FOR JESUS. I'M PRETTY SURE
  • 00:15:50.110 --> 00:15:53.010
  • MY GRANDFATHER WOULD NOT HAVE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE THE CASE I'D
  • 00:15:53.020 --> 00:15:54.290
  • BE ARGUING. AND THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER STORY, BUT SO I LOOK AT
  • 00:15:55.000 --> 00:15:58.280
  • THIS VERY PERSONALLY. I MEAN, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE DEALING
  • 00:15:58.290 --> 00:16:01.120
  • WITH THIS REGION OF THE WORLD. -YEAH. -SO THERE'S A FAMILY
  • 00:16:01.130 --> 00:16:03.210
  • CONNECT HERE AND THEN TAKING IT TO KIND OF THE LOGICAL NEXT
  • 00:16:03.220 --> 00:16:07.270
  • STEP, YOU'RE RIGHT, I WAS A CONSTITUTIONAL LAWYER, RELIGIOUS
  • 00:16:07.280 --> 00:16:10.280
  • LIBERTY, AND FREE SPEECH. I WAS IN A MEETING BACK IN 2000. IT
  • 00:16:10.290 --> 00:16:17.130
  • WAS RIGHT AFTER THE ELECTIONS. AND IN 2001 THERE WAS THIS WHOLE
  • 00:16:17.140 --> 00:16:21.020
  • CONCERN ABOUT TRAVEL WARNINGS TO ISRAEL. YOU MAY REMEMBER THIS.
  • 00:16:21.030 --> 00:16:23.120
  • AND THE TRAVEL WARNINGS TO GO TO ISRAEL WERE HIGHER THAN GOING TO
  • 00:16:23.130 --> 00:16:26.110
  • SYRIA. I MEAN, IT WAS RIDICULOUS. AND I WORKED ON
  • 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:29.250
  • GETTING THAT CHANGED. AND WHAT I SAW BY WORKING IN THE POLITICAL
  • 00:16:29.260 --> 00:16:33.150
  • SYSTEM WITHIN WASHINGTON D.C. WAS IF YOU BUILD RELATIONSHIPS
  • 00:16:33.160 --> 00:16:37.090
  • AND TRUST, AND HAVE ADVOCACY BEHIND THAT THAT ACTUALLY MAKES
  • 00:16:37.100 --> 00:16:41.090
  • SENSE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF MY, I WOULD ADVERSARIES IN COURT,
  • 00:16:41.100 --> 00:16:46.130
  • OFTENTIMES, SAID THE REASON I WAS SO DANGEROUS WAS BECAUSE I
  • 00:16:46.140 --> 00:16:48.180
  • SOUND SO REASONABLE. I THINK WE HAVE A REASON AND WE'RE
  • 00:16:48.190 --> 00:16:52.120
  • REASONABLE. BUT I WAS ABLE TO SEE BACK, ALMOST 15 YEARS AGO,
  • 00:16:52.130 --> 00:16:56.120
  • THAT WE COULD ENGAGE THIS. ONE OF THE GREATEST HONORS I'VE HAD
  • 00:16:56.130 --> 00:17:00.130
  • IN MY LIFE, BESIDES BEING A FATHER AND A GRANDFATHER, WHICH
  • 00:17:00.140 --> 00:17:04.110
  • IS THE GREATEST THING, WAS I GOT TO MAKE A PRESENTATION BEFORE
  • 00:17:04.120 --> 00:17:11.030
  • THE UNITED NATIONS AT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IN NEW YORK
  • 00:17:11.040 --> 00:17:14.100
  • JUST IN JUNE. AND IT WAS IN DEFENSE OF ISRAEL AND THIS WHOLE
  • 00:17:14.110 --> 00:17:17.080
  • ATTEMPT TO DELEGITIMIZE THE JEWISH STATE. I WAS THINKING TO
  • 00:17:17.090 --> 00:17:20.070
  • MYSELF, I GET ON THAT PODIUM, IT'S GIGANTIC, I MEAN, IT'S, YOU
  • 00:17:20.080 --> 00:17:23.230
  • KNOW WHEN YOU GO TO THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES, I
  • 00:17:23.240 --> 00:17:25.070
  • MEAN, THE PODIUM IS NOT MUCH WIDER THAN THIS TABLE. YOU GO TO
  • 00:17:25.080 --> 00:17:27.120
  • THIS, AND YOU'VE SEEN IT, YOU GO TO THIS, WELL THERE IT IS, YOU
  • 00:17:27.130 --> 00:17:30.140
  • FEEL LIKE AN ANT. [LAUGHTER] AND THEN YOU REALIZE WHO ELSE HAS
  • 00:17:30.150 --> 00:17:35.000
  • TOUCHED THAT WOOD AND THAT TABLE. I MEAN, FROM GREAT WORLD
  • 00:17:35.010 --> 00:17:38.100
  • LEADERS TO DICTATORS. AND THERE I WAS THE GRANDSON OF SCHUMLIK,
  • 00:17:38.110 --> 00:17:41.270
  • AT THE U.N. AND MATT AND LAURIE, IT WAS ONE OF THOSE MOMENTS IN
  • 00:17:41.280 --> 00:17:49.150
  • YOUR LIFE WHERE YOU REALIZE THAT GOD HAD ORCHESTRATED IT ALL.
  • 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:53.100
  • THERE'S NO WAY YOU COULD HAVE DONE THIS YOURSELF. -RIGHT.
  • 00:17:53.110 --> 00:17:55.020
  • -IT COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED; THAT THIS WAS GOD JUST EVERY
  • 00:17:55.030 --> 00:17:57.060
  • STEP OF THE WAY. SO HOW DO YOU GO FROM THE SUPREME COURT CASE,
  • 00:17:57.070 --> 00:18:00.260
  • BOARD OF AIRPORT COMMISSIONERS VS JEWS FOR JESUS TO STANDING UP
  • 00:18:00.270 --> 00:18:03.120
  • AT THE UNITED NATIONS GIVING A DEFENSE OF ISRAEL FOR THE U.N.?
  • 00:18:03.130 --> 00:18:08.290
  • SO ALL OF THAT KIND OF CAME TOGETHER AND I REALIZED, AND
  • 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:12.270
  • INSTITUTIONALLY, LOOK, I MEAN, YOU RUN A GLOBAL NETWORK. I
  • 00:18:12.280 --> 00:18:16.120
  • MEAN, HUGE. WE HAVE A GLOBAL ORGANIZATION. YOU HAVE TO BE,
  • 00:18:16.130 --> 00:18:19.180
  • YOU KNOW, IT'S THE OLD STORY PRAY WITH YOUR EYES OPEN. WITHIN
  • 00:18:19.190 --> 00:18:23.110
  • THE JEWISH TRADITION, THERE WAS THIS TRADITION PRAY WITH YOUR
  • 00:18:23.120 --> 00:18:25.160
  • EYES OPEN. PEOPLE SAY, WELL, THAT'S IRREVERENT. IT WASN'T.
  • 00:18:25.170 --> 00:18:26.260
  • JESUS PRAYED WITH HIS EYES OPEN. HE SAID LOOK TOWARDS HEAVEN, AND
  • 00:18:26.270 --> 00:18:29.270
  • OPENED HIS YES TOWARDS HEAVEN. PRAY WITH YOUR EYES OPEN BECAUSE
  • 00:18:29.280 --> 00:18:33.020
  • YOU SEE WHERE GOD'S MOVING IN DIFFERENT AVENUES AND DIFFERENT
  • 00:18:33.030 --> 00:18:35.020
  • AREAS. AND WHAT WE SAW WAS THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE TALKING A
  • 00:18:35.030 --> 00:18:39.180
  • LOT ABOUT THESE ISSUES BUT IT WAS HOW DO YOU CONVERT THE
  • 00:18:39.190 --> 00:18:42.120
  • TALKING TO DOING? -YEP. -HOW DO YOU IMPLEMENT, EDUCATE,
  • 00:18:42.130 --> 00:18:46.090
  • LITIGATE IF YOU NEED TO? I'VE DONE REPRESENTATION NOW AT THE
  • 00:18:46.100 --> 00:18:50.070
  • INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT IN THE HAGUE, WHICH GAVE ME A WHOLE
  • 00:18:50.080 --> 00:18:52.010
  • NEW APPRECIATION FOR OUR AMERICAN JUSTICE SYSTEM, LET ME
  • 00:18:52.020 --> 00:18:54.020
  • JUST TELL YOU THAT. AND IT ENDED SUCCESSFULLY, SO I DON'T WANT TO
  • 00:18:54.030 --> 00:18:56.050
  • BELITTLE THE INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT IN THE HAGUE, BUT
  • 00:18:56.060 --> 00:18:59.040
  • THIS IS NOT JUSTICE LIKE YOU AND I WOULD THINK OF, WE WOULD ALL
  • 00:18:59.050 --> 00:19:02.020
  • THINK OF JUSTICE. AND YOU LOOK AT ALL THESE TRIBUNALS AND WHAT
  • 00:19:02.030 --> 00:19:05.240
  • YOU'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH AND I THINK, I GIVE YOUR FAMILY A LOT
  • 00:19:05.250 --> 00:19:09.280
  • OF CREDIT FOR THIS. I MEAN, YOU TALK ABOUT THE FOX NEWS THING.
  • 00:19:09.290 --> 00:19:12.170
  • DO YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK HONED MY SKILLS AT THE SUPREME COURT
  • 00:19:12.180 --> 00:19:15.210
  • MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE? THIS CHAIR, WELL, IT WASN'T THIS
  • 00:19:15.220 --> 00:19:19.170
  • CHAIR, BUT A CHAIR ON THIS SET. -YEAH. -AND THOSE INTERVIEWS
  • 00:19:19.180 --> 00:19:21.200
  • ALL THOSE YEARS AGO. BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU'RE DEALING
  • 00:19:21.210 --> 00:19:24.000
  • WITH THAT, THEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH THE NINE OF THEM IT'S NOT
  • 00:19:24.010 --> 00:19:26.040
  • SO COMPLICATED VERSUS, YOU KNOW, LIVE T.V. AND I THINK ALL OF
  • 00:19:26.050 --> 00:19:29.260
  • THIS WAS TRAINING. LOOK, I DIDN'T THINK THAT WOULD BE ME AT
  • 00:19:29.270 --> 00:19:33.140
  • THE U.N. I MEAN, IF YOU WOULD HAVE ASKED ME THAT 8 MONTHS AGO
  • 00:19:33.150 --> 00:19:36.270
  • I WOULD HAVE SAID NO. BUT THERE IT WAS. SO GOD OPENS DOORS, GO
  • 00:19:36.280 --> 00:19:41.000
  • THROUGH THEM. AND ALSO LOOK AT WHERE THE NEEDS ARE. AND WE'RE
  • 00:19:41.010 --> 00:19:45.140
  • SEEING, RIGHT NOW, POCKETS OF THE WORLD WHERE THE NEED IS
  • 00:19:45.150 --> 00:19:49.000
  • GREAT. I MEAN, THE CRISIS IN THE MIDDLE EAST IS A CRISIS IN THE
  • 00:19:49.010 --> 00:19:51.200
  • MIDDLE EAST. I MEAN, IT IS A SIGNIFICANT CRISIS FOR RELIGIOUS
  • 00:19:51.210 --> 00:19:55.270
  • MINORITIES, ESPECIALLY CHRISTIANS, BUT YAZIDIS AND
  • 00:19:55.280 --> 00:19:58.180
  • OTHERS, IT IS, WE CAN'T EVEN RELATE TO IT; AND THEN
  • 00:19:58.190 --> 00:20:02.130
  • INDIVIDUAL AMERICAN CITIZENS. AND I TALK ABOUT SOME OF THIS IN
  • 00:20:02.140 --> 00:20:05.000
  • THE BOOK. WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH, I HAVE AN OFFICE IN
  • 00:20:05.010 --> 00:20:08.180
  • MOSCOW, I MEAN, WE HAVE AN OFFICE IN MOSCOW. SO YOU'VE GOT
  • 00:20:08.190 --> 00:20:12.000
  • TO DEAL WITH THE GOVERNMENT BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHY
  • 00:20:12.010 --> 00:20:14.090
  • ARE THE RUSSIANS DEALING WITH THE IRANIANS AND ALSO HAVE A
  • 00:20:14.100 --> 00:20:18.000
  • PRETTY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE ISRAELIS? AND THIS HAS
  • 00:20:18.010 --> 00:20:21.010
  • CHANGED THE ENTIRE GEO-POLITICAL FRAMEWORK OF HOW WE VIEW THE
  • 00:20:21.020 --> 00:20:25.070
  • WORLD. SO THAT LENS THAT WE LOOKED THROUGH FOR MOST OF OUR
  • 00:20:25.080 --> 00:20:28.070
  • ADULT LIFE ENDS UP BEING COMPLETELY INCORRECT. -WOW.
  • 00:20:28.080 --> 00:20:31.160
  • -WE WERE OPERATING THROUGH THE WRONG LENS. SCRIPTURE TELLS US
  • 00:20:31.170 --> 00:20:34.190
  • THE LENS, BUT THE POLITICIANS, AND THAT'S WHERE POLITICS IS
  • 00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:37.180
  • IMPORTANT BUT IT DOESN'T RAISE PEOPLE FROM THE DEAD. AND I
  • 00:20:37.190 --> 00:20:40.010
  • THINK YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TIE THAT TOGETHER TO UNDERSTAND THE
  • 00:20:40.020 --> 00:20:43.060
  • NATURE OF THE CONFLICT WE'RE IN AND THAT THERE IS, TO SAY THIS
  • 00:20:43.070 --> 00:20:46.110
  • IS NOT A RELIGIOUS CONFLICT, WHO ARE WE KIDDING? THAT'S
  • 00:20:46.120 --> 00:20:48.250
  • POLITICALLY CORRECT, BUT LEGALLY INCORRECT, AS A MATTER OF
  • 00:20:48.260 --> 00:20:52.120
  • INTERNATIONAL LAW, BIBLICAL INCORRECT, AND FACTUALLY
  • 00:20:52.130 --> 00:20:55.240
  • INCORRECT. THIS IS, IN A SENSE, A REAL RELIGIOUS CONFLICT. AND
  • 00:20:55.250 --> 00:20:59.090
  • THERE'S A FIGHT WITHIN ISLAM ITSELF AND THEN THE RADICAL,
  • 00:20:59.100 --> 00:21:03.040
  • WELL IT'S ONLY 10%. 10% OF 1.7 BILLION PEOPLE? DO THE MATH.
  • 00:21:03.050 --> 00:21:08.270
  • THAT'S A LOT OF FOLK. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN "UNHOLY
  • 00:21:08.280 --> 00:21:12.290
  • ALLIANCE" IS PUT ALL THESE PIECES TOGETHER IN A COHERENT
  • 00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:16.010
  • UNDERSTANDING SO AT THE END OF IT, WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE TO DO,
  • 00:21:16.020 --> 00:21:19.120
  • BUT WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THE CONFLICT. I THINK OFTENTIMES WE
  • 00:21:19.130 --> 00:21:24.170
  • LOOK AT IT AT THE 60.000 FOOT LEVEL AND IGNORE, IT'S THE MACRO
  • 00:21:24.180 --> 00:21:29.120
  • VS MICRO KIND OF THING. AND I THINK WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS
  • 00:21:29.130 --> 00:21:31.130
  • WE'VE LAID IT OUT SO EVERYBODY CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THIS
  • 00:21:31.140 --> 00:21:33.120
  • CONFLICT GOES BACK, LITERALLY, GENERATIONS AND GENERATIONS.
  • 00:21:33.130 --> 00:21:37.240
  • -SO YOUR FAMILY TIE, YOUR PERSONAL CONNECTION, THIS IS A
  • 00:21:37.250 --> 00:21:43.210
  • VERY SERIOUS SUBJECT MATTER TO YOU. -YES. -WE'RE TALKING
  • 00:21:43.220 --> 00:21:46.050
  • ABOUT "UNHOLY ALLIANCE". AND YOUR BOOK PRIOR TO THIS WAS A
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  • NEW YORK TIMES #1 BEST SELLER. -YEP. -"RISE OF ISIS". THIS IS
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  • YOUR FOLLOW-UP "UNHOLY ALLIANCE". LET ME JUST READ THE
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  • PIECE RIGHT HERE, THE AGENDA IRAN, RUSSIA, AND JIHADISTS
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  • SHARE TO CONQUER THE WORLD. -SO LET ME UNPACK THAT A LITTLE BIT.
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  • -PLEASE. -SO YOU WOULD THINK RUSSIA HAS HAD PROBLEMS WITH
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  • JIHADISTS. SERIOUS PROBLEMS WITH JIHADIST TERRORISTS. -RIGHT.
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  • -A SCHOOL THAT WAS TAKEN OVER. THEY'VE HAD AIRPLANES -SHOT OUT
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  • OF THE SKY. -RIGHT. SO THEY'VE DEALT WITH TERRORISTS. CHECHNIAN
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  • REBELS THAT WERE TERRORISTS. I MEAN, THEY'VE DEALT WITH THIS.
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  • BUT YOU ASK YOURSELF WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD THEY ALIGN
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  • THEMSELVES WITH THE IRANIANS, WHO HAVE ONE DESIRE ONLY. I
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  • MEAN, SO IN IRAN, THE REVOLUTIONARY GUARD, WHICH IS
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  • THE AYATOLLAHS TROOPS, SO TO SPEAK, ARE PROBABLY THE MOST
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  • DEADLY IN THE REGION. NOT COMPARED TO ISRAEL, BUT WITHIN
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  • THE REGION, IN OTHER WORDS THE IDEA THAT RUSSIA SAID LET'S GET
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  • THE IRANIANS TO ENGAGE IN THE CONFLICT AGAINST ISIS. LET'S GET
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  • THE RUSSIANS TO ENGAGE ISIS. LET'S GET THE IRANIANS TO ENGAGE
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  • ISIS. WELL, THEN YOU'VE GOT THE SHIA, WITH THE RUSSIANS IT'S ONE
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  • THING, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A THEOLOGICAL FIGHT FOR THEM. FOR
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  • THE IRANIANS IT IS. IT'S THE SHIA VERSION OF ISLAM, WHICH IS
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  • WHAT THEY WANT TO EXPORT VS THE SUNNI VERSION, WHICH IS ISIS.
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  • ABU BAKR AL-BAGHDADI. HE HAS THIS VIEW THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN
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  • THE IRANIANS. AND SO YOU'VE GOT THIS INTERNAL COMBUSTION. BUT
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  • THE RUSSIANS SEE OPPORTUNITY. NOW AT THE END OF THIS THEY
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  • DON'T WANT TO SHARE THEIR POWER WITH THE JIHADISTS. THEY WANTED
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  • THE JIHADISTS ULTIMATELY ELIMINATED TOO, BUT IN THE
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  • INTERIM, THEY DON'T MIND COALESCING, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO
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  • ASK YOURSELF, FOR INSTANCE, THERE'S A CONFLICT WE ALL KNOW
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  • ABOUT. IF YOU READ THE PAPERS, YOU WATCH THE NEWS, YOU'VE GOT
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  • IN GAZA THE CONFLICT WITH HAMAS AND ISRAEL. NOW HAMAS IS SUNNI,
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  • THAT'S A BRANCH OF ISLAM. THEY GET MOST OF THEIR FUNDING FROM
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  • IRAN, WHICH IS SHIA. THE SHIA WOULD NEVER FUND THE SUNNI 10
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  • YEARS AGO. THEY WILL NOW. -RIGHT. -WHY? COMMON ENEMY. SO
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  • THEY HAVE CHANGED THEIR PARADIGM TOO. THEY'VE CHANGED THE WAY
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  • THAT THEY'RE ENGAGING. SO WE HAVE TO, LOOK, I REALLY DO THINK
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  • WE HAVE LOOKED AT THIS COMPLETELY, I MEAN, IT'S HARD TO
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  • SAY, HOW DO YOU SAY, YOU HAVE ALL THESE EXPERTS ON GLOBAL
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  • AFFAIRS AND COMPLETELY GOT IT WRONG? BUT I DEAL WITH EVIDENCE.
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  • THAT'S WHAT I DO. I'M A LAWYER SO I LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE. THE
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  • EVIDENCE SAYS WE GOT IT WRONG. I MEAN, NOT JUST A LITTLE BIT. NOT
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  • JUST US, BY THE WAY. AND THIS ISN'T A POLITICAL PARTY. THIS IS
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  • WORLD OPINION GOT THIS WRONG. WE UNDERESTIMATED, SIGNIFICANTLY,
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  • THE FACTS AS THEY WERE EXISTING AND THE LETHALITY UPON WHICH
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  • THESE GROUPS COULD ACT. WELL, THAT'S GOING TO DO IT FOR THE
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  • BROADCAST TODAY. LET ME, AGAIN, AS WE DO WITH EACH AND EVERY
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  • SCREEN. AND I WANT TO THANK, AGAIN, MATT AND LAURIE CROUCH
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  • AND THE WHOLE TBN FAMILY FOR THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE ACLJ FOR
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  • LITERALLY DECADES. WE GO BACK DECADES HERE. YOU'RE MAKING A
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  • DEFEND THEMSELVES. SO THANK YOU. WE'LL TALK TO YOU NEXT WEEK.
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