Greg Laurie - Israel And The End Times

November 12, 2025 | 27:40

Join Pastor Greg Laurie for a time of encouragement, worship, and Bible study.

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  • Greg laurie: why should we, as christians, care in particular
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  • About israel and about the jewish people?
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  • Because there are some-- there's a name for it,
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  • Replacement theology.
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  • They would say, "well, israel is not a fulfillment of bible
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  • Prophecy, and that only happens when the messiah comes."
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  • And they would say that we should not be that concerned
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  • About that part of the world.
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  • And what would you say in response to that?
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  • Greg: we're talking about hot-button issues, controversial
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  • Issues, in the light of what the bible says.
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  • And i don't know that there's any more controversial issue out
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  • There than the topic of what is called eschatology.
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  • That just means the study of end-times events or
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  • Bible prophecy.
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  • People have disagreements as to what event is gonna happen when.
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  • People have disagreements about the nation israel or the
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  • Jewish people.
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  • So i want to look at all of that through the lens of what the
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  • Bible has to say.
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  • I would say that belief that christ could come
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  • In our lifetime contributed to the revival-like atmosphere.
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  • But when you bring this topic up, some recoil,
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  • They say, "oh no, here we go.
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  • Here come the end-times charts and the conspiracy theories,"
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  • Right?
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  • And it can be that way, and it can be exaggerated,
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  • And it can be extreme.
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  • Or we can look at it in a balanced way.
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  • Some don't want to talk about end-times events because there's
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  • Disagreement or because maybe they find it scary.
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  • But listen to this: bible prophecy is not given to
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  • Scare us.
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  • It's given to prepare us.
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  • So we need to know about these things.
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  • Why?
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  • Let me give you a number of reasons.
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  • Number one, if you're taking notes: the bible talks about the
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  • Return of jesus a lot.
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  • And by the way, when i'm done with this message, which will be
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  • A little shorter, i'm gonna interview my friend
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  • Joel rosenberg.
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  • And joel is a geopolitical expert.
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  • He lives in israel.
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  • He has dual citizenship as both an israeli and american citizen
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  • And is a bona fide expert on the topic.
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  • So we'll discuss this in greater depth.
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  • But jesus--the bible in general talks about this a lot.
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  • Jesus said in john 14, "let not your heart be troubled, neither
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  • Let it be afraid: you believe in god, believe also in me.
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  • In my father's house are many mansions: if it were not so,
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  • I would have told you.
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  • If i go, i will come again, and receive you unto myself; that
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  • Where i am, you may be also."
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  • Twenty-five percent of the bible is prophetic.
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  • So it's not like it's a side note.
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  • It's front and center.
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  • You might say the bible oozes with the return of christ.
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  • The new testament contains over 300 references to the return
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  • Of christ.
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  • That's one out of every 13 verses.
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  • Do you get the idea that god is trying to tell us something?
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  • So we should not talk about what god talks about so much.
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  • It's the very opposite.
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  • We should discuss it because the bible wants us to think about
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  • These things.
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  • So, number one: the bible talks about the return of christ
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  • A lot.
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  • Number two: understanding bible prophecy brings hope in
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  • A hopeless world.
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  • Understanding bible prophecy brings hope in a hopeless world.
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  • Titus 2:13 says, "while we wait for the blessed hope, the
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  • Appearing of the glory of god and of our great god and savior,
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  • Jesus christ."
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  • It's a blessed hope.
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  • The word "blessed" can also be translated happy.
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  • So, we might call it a happy hope.
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  • It's a happy hope to know that christ could come back
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  • At any moment because
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  • If you watch the news all the time, you're gonna get down.
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  • I was talking with someone the other day, and they said, "we
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  • Watch the news a lot, and it keeps me up at night."
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  • It shouldn't be keeping you up at night.
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  • In fact, you should be looking up.
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  • Jesus said, "when you see these things begin to happen, look up,
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  • For your redemption is drawing near."
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  • Number three: understanding bible prophecy unravels the
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  • Mystery of history.
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  • Understanding bible prophecy unravels the mystery of history.
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  • We wonder, "why is there so much evil in the world?
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  • Why does god allow all of these horrible things to happen?"
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  • Even the believers in the book of revelation chapter 6 are
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  • Saying in heaven, "how long, o lord, holy and true, until you
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  • Judge and avenge our blood on those that dwell on the earth?"
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  • They're saying, "lord, when are you gonna do something
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  • About it?"
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  • The bible tells us that judgment is coming.
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  • The bible tells us that one day, satan himself will be judged,
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  • And jesus will return and make every wrong right.
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  • So the bible unlocks the mystery of history, and bible prophecy
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  • Does that in particular.
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  • Here's another one: understanding bible prophecy
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  • Brings a specific blessing to us.
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  • The book of revelation is the only book of 66 that comes with
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  • A built-in blessing attached.
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  • And it says this in revelation 1:3, "blessed," or happy, "is
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  • The one who reads and hears and keeps the word written in this
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  • Book, for the time is near."
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  • Built-in blessing.
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  • So when you study and keep the words of revelation, you'll be
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  • Blessed, or you'll be happy.
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  • And i think what's true of revelation is principally true
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  • Of the study of prophecy in the bible in general.
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  • One last thing: the key to understanding bible prophecy is
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  • Israel and the jewish people.
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  • And that's one of the most controversial topics of all:
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  • Israel and the jewish people.
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  • When the jews formed their nation on may 14, 1948, a
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  • Modern-day miracle occurred, and more specifically, a prophecy
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  • Was fulfilled, and the prophetic time clock began to tick.
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  • It wasn't just a sign.
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  • It was a super sign.
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  • Why?
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  • Because it was all predicted by the jewish prophets, like
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  • Ezekiel in chapter 37, where he talks about a valley of dry
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  • Bones, a graveyard effectively.
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  • And all of a sudden, all these bones start coming together, and
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  • Then flesh is put on these bones, and they come alive.
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  • And this is a symbol, he says, of the nation israel.
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  • They'll be dead, they'll be gone, and they'll come to life
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  • Again in their land in the last days, and we saw that happen
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  • Before our very eyes.
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  • And god gave the land of israel to the jewish people.
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  • To the jewish people, god said in deuteronomy 1:8, "look, i'm
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  • Giving all this land to you!
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  • And so go in and occupy it, for it is in this land the lord
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  • Swore to give to your ancestors that you have that is given to
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  • Abraham, isaac, jacob, and all their descendants."
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  • And i bring this up because people will say, "well, you
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  • Know, the israelis are occupiers.
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  • They've taken land that belonged to someone else."
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  • Excuse me, the jews are indigenous to this region.
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  • This is their land that god gave to them, and more to the point
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  • They haven't even occupied all the land that god did give them.
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  • So they are not the occupiers or the colonizers, as some like
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  • To say.
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  • And listen to this one last thing: god is not done with the
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  • Jewish people.
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  • I want you to look at romans 11:25.
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  • "i want you to understand," writes paul, "the mystery, dear
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  • Brothers and sisters, so that you will not feel proud
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  • About yourselves.
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  • Blindness in part has happened to israel, but that will last
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  • Only until the full number of the gentiles have come
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  • To christ."
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  • God is not done with the jewish people.
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  • They're gonna see a great outpouring of the holy spirit on
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  • Their people in general and even on the nation israel.
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  • There is a spiritual blindness among many jews today.
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  • And by that, i mean they are not really open to embracing jesus
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  • As the messiah.
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  • But that's beginning to change.
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  • The last time i interviewed my guest joel rosenberg, he told me
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  • There were 15,000 messianic jews in israel, which is actually
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  • Quite a few.
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  • But he just told me now there's 30,000, so it's doubled.
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  • And he estimates there are 1 million messianic jews.
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  • A messianic jew is a jew who's put their faith in jesus as
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  • The messiah.
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  • He believes there is now a million messianic jews around
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  • The world.
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  • So god is at work, and i wanna explore that more together.
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  • So now we're gonna welcome joel rosenberg.
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  • He's a "new york times" best-selling author, and he has
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  • A television program called "the rosenberg report" and also has
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  • A new site, "all israel news," another one called
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  • "all arab news."
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  • So joel, i tell you what, he's the guy i talked to when i want
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  • To get information about that part of the world.
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  • So let's give a warm harvest welcome to joel as he comes.
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  • Joel rosenberg: thank you.
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  • Greg: hello, sir, how are you?
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  • Joel: good to see you.
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  • Greg: so, joel, let's start off with why should we as christians
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  • Care in particular about israel and about the jewish people?
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  • Because there are some--there's a name for it,
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  • Replacement theology.
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  • They would say, "well, israel is not a fulfillment of bible
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  • Prophecy, and that only happens when the messiah comes."
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  • And they would say that we should not be that concerned
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  • About that part of the world.
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  • And what would you say in response to that?
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  • Joel: well, of course, i disagree with that,
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  • And we could talk--
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  • Greg: so do i.
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  • Joel: thank you.
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  • We could talk about why and-- but--and i'm happy to go there
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  • If you want.
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  • But i will say even if somebody here or watching or listening
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  • Feels that way, i would say, okay, set aside our disagreement
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  • On whether current israel has anything to do with
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  • Bible prophecy.
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  • Just think about the great commission.
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  • How are you gonna minister to a nation--a people that you think
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  • God has nothing to do with anymore?
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  • That's impossible.
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  • I mean, to do it effectively.
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  • If god abandoned the jews and replaced them with a church at
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  • The cross because most of my team didn't get it, right?
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  • John 1, "he," the messiah, "came to his own," the jewish people,
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  • The nation of israel, "and his own received him not.
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  • But as many as did receive him," gentiles like you and you, "to
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  • Them--to you he gave the right to become the children of god."
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  • But if--but our team did fail mostly to get it during the time
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  • Of the gospel, but if god abandoned us then, if he cut us
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  • Off then, how did paul come to faith in jesus christ after
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  • The cross?
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  • Why did--how did god use him to reach so many jews and gentiles?
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  • No, god obviously is--right in the scriptures--you don't have
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  • To go until later.
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  • Right in the scriptures, we can see god is not done with
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  • The jews.
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  • And then go read in romans 11:9, 10, and 11, and so forth.
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  • These are--but i would appeal to my friends who think that way
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  • And say, okay, just in terms of jewish evangelism, just your
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  • Heart and compassion, there's a nation that's grieving.
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  • Now, it's not only us, right?
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  • The palestinians are grieving.
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  • The lebanese are grieving.
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  • And i think we are in the most dangerous moment of the war in
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  • The past year.
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  • I believe it's very possible that in the next few hours or
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  • Days, israel will launch the biggest military attack on the
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  • Iranian regime and its nuclear facilities and oil refining
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  • Facilities in history.
  • 00:12:49.602 --> 00:12:51.637
  • And that might end quickly and well for us, or it could lead to
  • 00:12:51.637 --> 00:12:56.108
  • An apocalyptic war that makes the last year in gaza seem like
  • 00:12:56.108 --> 00:13:00.613
  • A sideshow.
  • 00:13:00.613 --> 00:13:01.947
  • That's--so if you're trying to show compassion and you think of
  • 00:13:01.947 --> 00:13:04.617
  • Isaiah 40, "comfort my people," how can isaiah say that
  • 00:13:04.617 --> 00:13:09.088
  • Prophetically if, "oh, well, no, god's done with us."
  • 00:13:09.088 --> 00:13:11.190
  • Well, how is that comforting if he's done with it?
  • 00:13:11.190 --> 00:13:13.526
  • He's not done with us.
  • 00:13:13.526 --> 00:13:14.894
  • And as you mentioned, now almost a--maybe a little bit over
  • 00:13:14.894 --> 00:13:18.164
  • A million jews have come to faith in jesus.
  • 00:13:18.164 --> 00:13:20.099
  • Starting when?
  • 00:13:20.099 --> 00:13:21.967
  • Starting in the jesus revolution.
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  • That's when my father, who was raised orthodox jewish in
  • 00:13:23.536 --> 00:13:26.639
  • Brooklyn--his family escaped out of russia.
  • 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:28.207
  • That's when he came to faith.
  • 00:13:28.207 --> 00:13:29.542
  • When he came to faith in 1973, he thought he was the first jew
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  • Since the apostle paul, greg, that believed this.
  • 00:13:32.678 --> 00:13:35.514
  • He'd never heard of a jew that believed in jesus.
  • 00:13:35.514 --> 00:13:37.483
  • He never met one.
  • 00:13:37.483 --> 00:13:39.318
  • And in 1973, we think there were fewer than 2,000 jews on the
  • 00:13:39.318 --> 00:13:43.155
  • Planet who believed in jesus as the messiah.
  • 00:13:43.155 --> 00:13:45.991
  • Now there are over a million out of a population of about 15 or
  • 00:13:45.991 --> 00:13:50.129
  • 16 million jews.
  • 00:13:50.129 --> 00:13:51.463
  • So, in terms of sheer numbers and percentages, this is the
  • 00:13:51.463 --> 00:13:55.134
  • Greatest moment and era of jews coming to faith in jesus and
  • 00:13:55.134 --> 00:13:59.572
  • Many, many millions more listening than in all of
  • 00:13:59.572 --> 00:14:02.308
  • Human history.
  • 00:14:02.308 --> 00:14:04.510
  • It's exciting.
  • 00:14:04.510 --> 00:14:05.878
  • Greg: yes.
  • 00:14:05.878 --> 00:14:07.213
  • Joel: it's exciting.
  • 00:14:07.213 --> 00:14:08.581
  • Greg: so you talk about a potentially
  • 00:14:08.581 --> 00:14:09.915
  • Apocalyptic situation.
  • 00:14:09.915 --> 00:14:11.283
  • So it's interesting, we have ezekiel 37 that talks about the
  • 00:14:11.283 --> 00:14:15.688
  • Regathering of the jews to their homeland, which has happened.
  • 00:14:15.688 --> 00:14:18.991
  • Then we have ezekiel 38, we read about a large force from the
  • 00:14:18.991 --> 00:14:22.828
  • North of israel, identified as magog, marching on her.
  • 00:14:22.828 --> 00:14:27.967
  • Israel seems to be isolated at this moment.
  • 00:14:27.967 --> 00:14:31.570
  • And one of the allies of magog is called persia, which changed
  • 00:14:31.570 --> 00:14:36.842
  • Their name to iran in 1935.
  • 00:14:36.842 --> 00:14:39.745
  • And so--and we see the aggression of iran
  • 00:14:39.745 --> 00:14:42.715
  • Toward israel.
  • 00:14:42.715 --> 00:14:44.049
  • And they have a hatred for america as well.
  • 00:14:44.049 --> 00:14:46.085
  • We mustn't miss that.
  • 00:14:46.085 --> 00:14:47.920
  • And for some inexplicable reason, we've been funding them
  • 00:14:47.920 --> 00:14:51.724
  • With billions of dollars, and we know that some of that money, no
  • 00:14:51.724 --> 00:14:55.160
  • Doubt, has gone to the funding of these proxy terrorist
  • 00:14:55.160 --> 00:14:58.864
  • Organizations like hezbollah or hamas or the houthis.
  • 00:14:58.864 --> 00:15:02.801
  • And so this is--
  • 00:15:02.801 --> 00:15:04.603
  • Joel: you have to--if you got a terrorist organization with an h
  • 00:15:04.603 --> 00:15:07.006
  • In front of your name, you're gonna get a lot of money.
  • 00:15:07.006 --> 00:15:10.009
  • Hezbollah, houthis, hamas.
  • 00:15:10.009 --> 00:15:11.977
  • That seems to be the way it's done.
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  • Greg: it appears that way. right.
  • 00:15:13.345 --> 00:15:16.015
  • So could any of these events-- like, let's say israel decides
  • 00:15:16.015 --> 00:15:20.619
  • To hit iran and take out their nuclear reactor kit or oil
  • 00:15:20.619 --> 00:15:24.924
  • Reserves or producing mechanisms.
  • 00:15:24.924 --> 00:15:28.494
  • This could maybe lead to a scenario like that or it
  • 00:15:28.494 --> 00:15:32.798
  • May not.
  • 00:15:32.798 --> 00:15:34.166
  • We don't know.
  • 00:15:34.166 --> 00:15:35.501
  • But how do you see this in the big prophetic picture?
  • 00:15:35.501 --> 00:15:36.969
  • Joel: yeah.
  • 00:15:36.969 --> 00:15:38.304
  • So i'm concerned by some teachers who teach bible
  • 00:15:38.304 --> 00:15:41.340
  • Prophecy with a bit of a dash of sensationalism.
  • 00:15:41.340 --> 00:15:45.678
  • I think that's a problem.
  • 00:15:45.678 --> 00:15:47.046
  • I'm really grateful that you don't.
  • 00:15:47.046 --> 00:15:48.814
  • And may your tribe increase.
  • 00:15:48.814 --> 00:15:50.849
  • Many pastors are avoiding it entirely because it's being
  • 00:15:50.849 --> 00:15:54.687
  • Discredited by those who teach it badly.
  • 00:15:54.687 --> 00:15:57.389
  • You know, they all seem like they're in area 51.
  • 00:15:57.389 --> 00:16:01.727
  • They're all from roswell, new mexico, and the websites they
  • 00:16:01.727 --> 00:16:04.964
  • Build are all red and black, filled with fire, every sentence
  • 00:16:04.964 --> 00:16:08.300
  • Is in capital letters with 97 exclamation points after it, and
  • 00:16:08.300 --> 00:16:11.570
  • You're like, "dude, seriously, have some decaf.
  • 00:16:11.570 --> 00:16:13.472
  • It's gonna be okay."
  • 00:16:13.472 --> 00:16:15.307
  • So that doesn't help, right?
  • 00:16:15.307 --> 00:16:17.009
  • But you're an evangelist, and you don't say to yourself, "oh,
  • 00:16:17.009 --> 00:16:19.845
  • I'm not going to preach the gospel because there are
  • 00:16:19.845 --> 00:16:22.548
  • Lunatics preaching false gospels, preaching the
  • 00:16:22.548 --> 00:16:25.284
  • Prosperity gospel," or whatever.
  • 00:16:25.284 --> 00:16:27.152
  • You teach it and preach it with more clarity and conviction.
  • 00:16:27.152 --> 00:16:31.390
  • That's what needs to happen with bible prophecy.
  • 00:16:31.390 --> 00:16:34.159
  • So that's the first thing.
  • 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:35.494
  • The second thing is that i forgot your actual question, and
  • 00:16:35.494 --> 00:16:38.664
  • So you may--because i got--
  • 00:16:38.664 --> 00:16:41.400
  • Greg: the big prophetic puzzle.
  • 00:16:41.400 --> 00:16:42.735
  • Joel: yeah, the big prophetic picture.
  • 00:16:42.735 --> 00:16:44.103
  • So--all right, so that's good.
  • 00:16:44.103 --> 00:16:45.437
  • Thank you.
  • 00:16:45.437 --> 00:16:48.374
  • I don't think there's enough data to say that we're heading
  • 00:16:48.374 --> 00:16:52.211
  • Into ezekiel 38-39 yet.
  • 00:16:52.211 --> 00:16:55.080
  • Now, october 6 seemed such a quiet day, we felt so peaceful
  • 00:16:55.080 --> 00:16:59.651
  • In israel, that if ezekiel 38-39 starts kicking in and we do have
  • 00:16:59.651 --> 00:17:04.990
  • Enough data, then we'll say, "okay, the six was the day of us
  • 00:17:04.990 --> 00:17:09.061
  • Living securely in the land," that was one of the
  • 00:17:09.061 --> 00:17:11.196
  • Preconditions, "and then god didn't tell us about the
  • 00:17:11.196 --> 00:17:14.633
  • October 7 war."
  • 00:17:14.633 --> 00:17:16.602
  • That's sort of a gap, right?
  • 00:17:16.602 --> 00:17:18.037
  • Jesus, when he was announcing his ministry, reading the isaiah
  • 00:17:18.037 --> 00:17:22.107
  • Scroll from isaiah 61 in nazareth, he has to stop halfway
  • 00:17:22.107 --> 00:17:26.645
  • Through a sentence because he said, "the day of god's favor is
  • 00:17:26.645 --> 00:17:29.481
  • Upon us," right?
  • 00:17:29.481 --> 00:17:30.816
  • But he stops.
  • 00:17:30.816 --> 00:17:32.151
  • Why?
  • 00:17:32.151 --> 00:17:33.519
  • Because the day of vengeance comes in the next part of that
  • 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:35.120
  • Sentence, and we're not at the tribulation yet, so that's
  • 00:17:35.120 --> 00:17:37.656
  • A 2,000-year gap just in the middle of that sentence that
  • 00:17:37.656 --> 00:17:40.759
  • Nobody would have seen coming.
  • 00:17:40.759 --> 00:17:42.194
  • But jesus, of course, did.
  • 00:17:42.194 --> 00:17:43.562
  • So we have to be cautious.
  • 00:17:43.562 --> 00:17:44.897
  • We need to be humble when we teach this.
  • 00:17:44.897 --> 00:17:46.932
  • All that to say, i don't think we're there yet.
  • 00:17:46.932 --> 00:17:50.235
  • We are in a birth pang.
  • 00:17:50.235 --> 00:17:53.305
  • Matthew 24, "wars, rumors of wars, kingdom against kingdom,
  • 00:17:53.305 --> 00:17:57.009
  • Nation against nation."
  • 00:17:57.009 --> 00:17:58.343
  • I believe that the invasion of ukraine by russia itself is
  • 00:17:58.343 --> 00:18:03.515
  • A birth pang.
  • 00:18:03.515 --> 00:18:04.850
  • It's the greatest, largest land war in europe since world
  • 00:18:04.850 --> 00:18:07.719
  • War ii.
  • 00:18:07.719 --> 00:18:09.054
  • I believe the 6 million people that died during the covid era--
  • 00:18:09.054 --> 00:18:12.424
  • I think that was part of a contraction.
  • 00:18:12.424 --> 00:18:14.560
  • That was--it was part of the birth pangs.
  • 00:18:14.560 --> 00:18:17.496
  • So birth pangs are contraction, release, contraction, release.
  • 00:18:17.496 --> 00:18:21.033
  • October 6, we would have said, "we're gonna release in israel."
  • 00:18:21.033 --> 00:18:23.969
  • We had made peace with four arab neighbors.
  • 00:18:23.969 --> 00:18:26.338
  • We were about to make peace with the saudis.
  • 00:18:26.338 --> 00:18:28.273
  • We're clearly in a contraction now that has not let up, and
  • 00:18:28.273 --> 00:18:31.977
  • We're a year in, and there's no end in sight.
  • 00:18:31.977 --> 00:18:34.947
  • It could end soon, and if it ends soon and, we get into
  • 00:18:34.947 --> 00:18:38.417
  • Release time, six months from now, greg, a year from now,
  • 00:18:38.417 --> 00:18:42.521
  • Israel may be perceived as the greatest superpower in the
  • 00:18:42.521 --> 00:18:46.091
  • Region because with no-- almost--well, not enough help
  • 00:18:46.091 --> 00:18:49.561
  • In my view from the united states and no help from the
  • 00:18:49.561 --> 00:18:52.865
  • British, who put an arms embargo on us, no help from the french,
  • 00:18:52.865 --> 00:18:55.834
  • Who put an arms embargo on us, the world abandoning us,
  • 00:18:55.834 --> 00:18:59.471
  • Accusing us of genocide.
  • 00:18:59.471 --> 00:19:00.973
  • If israel wins against hamas, which it's already done,
  • 00:19:00.973 --> 00:19:05.010
  • Hezbollah, we've destroyed half of their missile forces and
  • 00:19:05.010 --> 00:19:09.081
  • 4,018 of their top leaders, and if we destroy the top leadership
  • 00:19:09.081 --> 00:19:15.053
  • And the facilities that threaten us in iran, we will all be
  • 00:19:15.053 --> 00:19:18.457
  • Saying, "the saudis are about to make peace.
  • 00:19:18.457 --> 00:19:20.092
  • The indonesians are about to make peace."
  • 00:19:20.092 --> 00:19:21.894
  • This will seem like, "oh, my gosh."
  • 00:19:21.894 --> 00:19:23.295
  • And that would be a setup for ezekiel 38 and 39 afterwards
  • 00:19:23.295 --> 00:19:27.299
  • Because it would be the greatest era of calm, quiet, peace, and
  • 00:19:27.299 --> 00:19:30.269
  • Prosperity in the history of the middle east since david
  • 00:19:30.269 --> 00:19:32.871
  • And solomon.
  • 00:19:32.871 --> 00:19:34.206
  • But if we--if this thing goes sour and russia decides to team
  • 00:19:34.206 --> 00:19:37.609
  • Up with iran and turkey, then that's a different scenario.
  • 00:19:37.609 --> 00:19:40.646
  • We're just--we just don't know that yet.
  • 00:19:40.646 --> 00:19:42.614
  • And so we shouldn't try to jump and draw conclusions
  • 00:19:42.614 --> 00:19:47.352
  • That they're--
  • 00:19:47.352 --> 00:19:48.720
  • Greg: or even want it to happen.
  • 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:50.055
  • You know, i was talking with some professors from a seminary
  • 00:19:50.055 --> 00:19:53.125
  • At the university of haifa, and i said, "let me clear
  • 00:19:53.125 --> 00:19:56.428
  • Misconception up that you may have about us evangelicals.
  • 00:19:56.428 --> 00:19:59.731
  • I've heard it said that the reason evangelicals support
  • 00:19:59.731 --> 00:20:02.501
  • Israel is because we want armageddon to start."
  • 00:20:02.501 --> 00:20:05.704
  • I said, "nothing could be further from the truth.
  • 00:20:05.704 --> 00:20:08.273
  • We love you.
  • 00:20:08.273 --> 00:20:09.608
  • We want you to be safe and secure.
  • 00:20:09.608 --> 00:20:11.410
  • And, in fact, the bible tells us in psalm 122 to pray for the
  • 00:20:11.410 --> 00:20:15.147
  • Peace of jerusalem.
  • 00:20:15.147 --> 00:20:16.648
  • So we hope for that and we pray for that."
  • 00:20:16.648 --> 00:20:19.151
  • It's not like we say, "oh, this is--oh, let's--well, let's
  • 00:20:19.151 --> 00:20:21.386
  • Hope it happens."
  • 00:20:21.386 --> 00:20:22.754
  • We don't want it to happen, but it's gonna happen.
  • 00:20:22.754 --> 00:20:24.723
  • It's gonna happen in god's timing.
  • 00:20:24.723 --> 00:20:26.725
  • But in light of the fact that-- look, here's the bottom line:
  • 00:20:26.725 --> 00:20:29.595
  • Christ is coming.
  • 00:20:29.595 --> 00:20:30.929
  • As you said, the labor pains are around us.
  • 00:20:30.929 --> 00:20:34.299
  • They're getting in--as the labor pains get closer together,
  • 00:20:34.299 --> 00:20:37.436
  • That means the birth is coming.
  • 00:20:37.436 --> 00:20:39.137
  • And as we see these events getting closer and closer
  • 00:20:39.137 --> 00:20:42.074
  • Together, what should we be doing as christians in the light
  • 00:20:42.074 --> 00:20:45.677
  • Of the fact that christ could come in our lifetime?
  • 00:20:45.677 --> 00:20:49.815
  • Joel: yeah.
  • 00:20:49.815 --> 00:20:51.149
  • Okay, a few things.
  • 00:20:51.149 --> 00:20:52.517
  • One: i would say that i believe the verse that captures best
  • 00:20:52.517 --> 00:20:54.920
  • Where we're at, aside from matthew 24, is amos 9:9.
  • 00:20:54.920 --> 00:20:58.590
  • This is where god says, "i will shake the house of israel among
  • 00:20:58.590 --> 00:21:02.427
  • The nations."
  • 00:21:02.427 --> 00:21:03.762
  • Satan has sent this horrible attack from every different
  • 00:21:03.762 --> 00:21:07.499
  • Direction against israel.
  • 00:21:07.499 --> 00:21:09.001
  • This isn't that god did it.
  • 00:21:09.001 --> 00:21:10.369
  • It's satan doing it to kill us, to destroy us.
  • 00:21:10.369 --> 00:21:14.406
  • But god is sovereignly letting it happen.
  • 00:21:14.406 --> 00:21:16.174
  • Why is he doing that?
  • 00:21:16.174 --> 00:21:17.509
  • He's doing that so that we will be shaken as a people and as
  • 00:21:17.509 --> 00:21:20.812
  • A region to let go of anyone or anything or any ideology or any
  • 00:21:20.812 --> 00:21:25.517
  • Religion other than faith in jesus for our hope and our peace
  • 00:21:25.517 --> 00:21:30.122
  • And our eternal security.
  • 00:21:30.122 --> 00:21:31.657
  • So god is shaking us because we have not woken up yet as
  • 00:21:31.657 --> 00:21:34.526
  • A people or as a region.
  • 00:21:34.526 --> 00:21:36.128
  • So that's--when you understand amos 9:9, then it begins to make
  • 00:21:36.128 --> 00:21:40.399
  • More sense.
  • 00:21:40.399 --> 00:21:41.767
  • "why is god letting this happen?
  • 00:21:41.767 --> 00:21:43.101
  • Isn't this mean?"
  • 00:21:43.101 --> 00:21:44.469
  • Well, it's not mean, but we, as jews, are sheep that are not
  • 00:21:44.469 --> 00:21:48.006
  • Acknowledging or embracing our shepherd.
  • 00:21:48.006 --> 00:21:50.208
  • Some believe there isn't a shepherd.
  • 00:21:50.208 --> 00:21:51.777
  • Some believe that the shepherd hates us, the shepherd's
  • 00:21:51.777 --> 00:21:54.713
  • Impotent, the shepherd is a moron, or--you know, we have--
  • 00:21:54.713 --> 00:21:57.582
  • Israelis have all kinds of views of god, but they've forgotten
  • 00:21:57.582 --> 00:22:02.220
  • Psalm 23.
  • 00:22:02.220 --> 00:22:03.555
  • The problem is, if you reject the shepherd or you don't want
  • 00:22:03.555 --> 00:22:07.826
  • To listen to him or whatever, you are under the false sense
  • 00:22:07.826 --> 00:22:12.297
  • That the countryside is safe.
  • 00:22:12.297 --> 00:22:15.367
  • But the fact is, one of the reasons we have a shepherd is
  • 00:22:15.367 --> 00:22:17.669
  • Not just to feed us and take care of us, but to protect us
  • 00:22:17.669 --> 00:22:20.839
  • From ravenous wolves.
  • 00:22:20.839 --> 00:22:22.240
  • And there are forces, there are ravenous wolves throughout the
  • 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:25.811
  • Middle east, throughout the world, that hate jews and want
  • 00:22:25.811 --> 00:22:27.579
  • To destroy us.
  • 00:22:27.579 --> 00:22:29.147
  • I'll say this.
  • 00:22:29.147 --> 00:22:30.482
  • Two last points from--i'm gonna quote from my favorite book of
  • 00:22:30.482 --> 00:22:33.118
  • The bible, which is the book of joel.
  • 00:22:33.118 --> 00:22:34.786
  • So i encourage you to embrace that as your favorite book
  • 00:22:34.786 --> 00:22:39.424
  • As well.
  • 00:22:39.424 --> 00:22:41.660
  • Joel chapter 3, verse 1, "for behold, in those days and at
  • 00:22:41.660 --> 00:22:45.697
  • That time, when i restore the fortunes of judah and jerusalem,
  • 00:22:45.697 --> 00:22:50.535
  • And i will gather all the nations and bring them down to
  • 00:22:50.535 --> 00:22:53.939
  • The valley of jehoshaphat."
  • 00:22:53.939 --> 00:22:55.273
  • Which mean god judges.
  • 00:22:55.273 --> 00:22:56.675
  • "there--then i will--then--" after he rebuilds israel, after
  • 00:22:56.675 --> 00:23:00.512
  • He brings the jews back, then he's gonna bring the nations to
  • 00:23:00.512 --> 00:23:03.048
  • Attack us.
  • 00:23:03.048 --> 00:23:04.383
  • "then i will enter into judgment with them," the nations there,
  • 00:23:04.383 --> 00:23:07.486
  • "on behalf of my people and my inheritance, israel, whom they
  • 00:23:07.486 --> 00:23:11.223
  • Have scattered among the nations; and then they have
  • 00:23:11.223 --> 00:23:13.392
  • Divided up my land."
  • 00:23:13.392 --> 00:23:15.961
  • The nations of the world are responsible for, first, driving
  • 00:23:15.961 --> 00:23:19.664
  • Us out of israel, and now that we've regathered, for trying to
  • 00:23:19.664 --> 00:23:23.435
  • Divide up our land and give it to our enemies.
  • 00:23:23.435 --> 00:23:25.904
  • So to wrap that up, i would say the joshua fund, "all israel
  • 00:23:25.904 --> 00:23:30.075
  • News," we talk about four things we want to encourage christians
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  • To understand and do.
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  • Greg: so joel has an organization called the joshua
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  • Fund that he's referring to.
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  • Go ahead.
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  • Joel: yeah, it's a ministry that we started 18 years ago to
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  • Educate and mobilize christians to bless israel and her
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  • Neighbors, palestinians and others, in the name of jesus.
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  • And so we encourage people to do four things: learn, pray, give,
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  • And go.
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  • Part of my role was the educational side of this.
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  • This is why i'm doing this, and i appreciate you inviting,
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  • Especially this weekend.
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  • So--and the more we understand what god is doing, what he wants
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  • To do, what the enemy is doing, it will motivate us to pray and
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  • To pray more specifically.
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  • As we pray more, we will have a heart to want to give our time,
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  • Our talent, and even our treasures to invest in building the kingdom and fulfilling the great commission in the
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  • Epicenter, in the middle east.
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  • And then go.
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  • Now, often we say, "go to israel."
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  • Now i would say don't go to israel.
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  • But i would say go and preach the gospel to everybody
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  • In creation.
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  • And by strengthening the joshua fund, as just one example, this
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  • Is what we're doing: we're investing in the local
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  • Believers, yes, for humanitarian relief, but also to strengthen
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  • Them so they can preach the word of god and fulfill the
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  • Great commission.
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  • Again, israelis, palestinians, lebanese, syrians, jordanians,
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  • Iraqis, and egyptians.
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  • This is a group of people that don't know christ.
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  • And how are they gonna say yes if they haven't even heard?
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  • And we need to strengthen the local church so that they can
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  • Reach their people and hopefully fulfill the great commission in
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  • Our lifetime.
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  • So as horrible as this year has been, lynn and i and our family
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  • And our team are so grateful to be there because this is why
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  • We're there: to love our neighbors and to love our
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  • Enemies and to help the local believers fulfill the
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  • Great commission.
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  • Greg: well, joel, thank you for all that you do.
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  • You're a bright light everywhere you go.
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  • Greg: there are so many things to be worried about right now,
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  • Aren't there?
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  • The worrying about terrorism, worry about your personal
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  • Safety, violent crime, the economy.
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  • The list goes on.
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  • Here's what the bible says: don't worry about anything.
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  • Pray about everything.
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  • Turn your panic into prayer.
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  • Jesus said, "come unto me, all of you that are laboring and are
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  • Heavy laden.
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  • I will give you rest."
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  • Give your burdens, give your problems, over to god, and let
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  • Him give you his peace in your heart.
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  • Let me send for you at no charge what i call a new believer's
  • 00:26:11.002 --> 00:26:15.140
  • Bible to help you grow in a relationship with god and learn
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  • How to turn your panic into prayer and your worry
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  • Into worship.
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  • Greg: greg laurie here.
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  • You know, at harvest ministries we're committing to reaching
  • 00:26:32.390 --> 00:26:34.793
  • Unexpected people in unexpected places with an
  • 00:26:34.793 --> 00:26:38.196
  • Unexpected message.
  • 00:26:38.196 --> 00:26:39.831
  • And thanks to your financial support, we've been able to
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  • Touch people all over the world with the hope of jesus christ.
  • 00:26:44.235 --> 00:26:48.707
  • Your gifts today not only help us reach millions across the
  • 00:26:48.707 --> 00:26:52.477
  • Country through this television program, they also help us to
  • 00:26:52.477 --> 00:26:56.681
  • Bring hope to people in their biggest need, whether through
  • 00:26:56.681 --> 00:27:00.251
  • Our evangelistic events or our relief efforts, together we've
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  • Been able to minister to so many people devastated by the fires
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  • In lahaina on the island of maui.
  • 00:27:08.326 --> 00:27:10.362
  • And also, your support has helped us partner to bring
  • 00:27:10.362 --> 00:27:13.832
  • Medical help in the ongoing conflict in israel.
  • 00:27:13.832 --> 00:27:17.102
  • So i'm asking you today to continue to support this
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  • Ministry so we can do everything possible to fulfill the
  • 00:27:20.238 --> 00:27:24.509
  • Great commission.
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  • Let's do this together, and let me say in advance,
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  • Thank you and god bless you.
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