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Harvest with Pastor Greg Laurie | Greg Laurie - Israel And The End Times | November 12, 2025
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- Greg laurie: why should we, as christians, care in particular
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- About israel and about the jewish people?
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- Because there are some-- there's a name for it,
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- Replacement theology.
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- They would say, "well, israel is not a fulfillment of bible
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- Prophecy, and that only happens when the messiah comes."
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- And they would say that we should not be that concerned
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- About that part of the world.
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- And what would you say in response to that?
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- Greg: we're talking about hot-button issues, controversial
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- Issues, in the light of what the bible says.
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- And i don't know that there's any more controversial issue out
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- There than the topic of what is called eschatology.
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- That just means the study of end-times events or
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- Bible prophecy.
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- People have disagreements as to what event is gonna happen when.
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- People have disagreements about the nation israel or the
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- Jewish people.
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- So i want to look at all of that through the lens of what the
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- Bible has to say.
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- I would say that belief that christ could come
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- In our lifetime contributed to the revival-like atmosphere.
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- But when you bring this topic up, some recoil,
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- They say, "oh no, here we go.
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- Here come the end-times charts and the conspiracy theories,"
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- Right?
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- And it can be that way, and it can be exaggerated,
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- And it can be extreme.
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- Or we can look at it in a balanced way.
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- Some don't want to talk about end-times events because there's
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- Disagreement or because maybe they find it scary.
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- But listen to this: bible prophecy is not given to
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- Scare us.
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- It's given to prepare us.
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- So we need to know about these things.
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- Why?
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- Let me give you a number of reasons.
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- Number one, if you're taking notes: the bible talks about the
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- Return of jesus a lot.
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- And by the way, when i'm done with this message, which will be
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- A little shorter, i'm gonna interview my friend
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- Joel rosenberg.
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- And joel is a geopolitical expert.
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- He lives in israel.
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- He has dual citizenship as both an israeli and american citizen
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- And is a bona fide expert on the topic.
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- So we'll discuss this in greater depth.
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- But jesus--the bible in general talks about this a lot.
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- Jesus said in john 14, "let not your heart be troubled, neither
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- Let it be afraid: you believe in god, believe also in me.
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- In my father's house are many mansions: if it were not so,
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- I would have told you.
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- If i go, i will come again, and receive you unto myself; that
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- Where i am, you may be also."
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- Twenty-five percent of the bible is prophetic.
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- So it's not like it's a side note.
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- It's front and center.
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- You might say the bible oozes with the return of christ.
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- The new testament contains over 300 references to the return
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- Of christ.
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- That's one out of every 13 verses.
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- Do you get the idea that god is trying to tell us something?
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- So we should not talk about what god talks about so much.
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- It's the very opposite.
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- We should discuss it because the bible wants us to think about
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- These things.
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- So, number one: the bible talks about the return of christ
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- A lot.
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- Number two: understanding bible prophecy brings hope in
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- A hopeless world.
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- Understanding bible prophecy brings hope in a hopeless world.
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- Titus 2:13 says, "while we wait for the blessed hope, the
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- Appearing of the glory of god and of our great god and savior,
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- Jesus christ."
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- It's a blessed hope.
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- The word "blessed" can also be translated happy.
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- So, we might call it a happy hope.
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- It's a happy hope to know that christ could come back
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- At any moment because
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- If you watch the news all the time, you're gonna get down.
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- I was talking with someone the other day, and they said, "we
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- Watch the news a lot, and it keeps me up at night."
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- It shouldn't be keeping you up at night.
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- In fact, you should be looking up.
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- Jesus said, "when you see these things begin to happen, look up,
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- For your redemption is drawing near."
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- Number three: understanding bible prophecy unravels the
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- Mystery of history.
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- Understanding bible prophecy unravels the mystery of history.
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- We wonder, "why is there so much evil in the world?
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- Why does god allow all of these horrible things to happen?"
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- Even the believers in the book of revelation chapter 6 are
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- Saying in heaven, "how long, o lord, holy and true, until you
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- Judge and avenge our blood on those that dwell on the earth?"
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- They're saying, "lord, when are you gonna do something
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- About it?"
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- The bible tells us that judgment is coming.
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- The bible tells us that one day, satan himself will be judged,
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- And jesus will return and make every wrong right.
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- So the bible unlocks the mystery of history, and bible prophecy
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- Does that in particular.
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- Here's another one: understanding bible prophecy
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- Brings a specific blessing to us.
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- The book of revelation is the only book of 66 that comes with
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- A built-in blessing attached.
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- And it says this in revelation 1:3, "blessed," or happy, "is
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- The one who reads and hears and keeps the word written in this
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- Book, for the time is near."
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- Built-in blessing.
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- So when you study and keep the words of revelation, you'll be
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- Blessed, or you'll be happy.
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- And i think what's true of revelation is principally true
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- Of the study of prophecy in the bible in general.
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- One last thing: the key to understanding bible prophecy is
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- Israel and the jewish people.
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- And that's one of the most controversial topics of all:
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- Israel and the jewish people.
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- When the jews formed their nation on may 14, 1948, a
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- Modern-day miracle occurred, and more specifically, a prophecy
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- Was fulfilled, and the prophetic time clock began to tick.
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- It wasn't just a sign.
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- It was a super sign.
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- Why?
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- Because it was all predicted by the jewish prophets, like
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- Ezekiel in chapter 37, where he talks about a valley of dry
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- Bones, a graveyard effectively.
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- And all of a sudden, all these bones start coming together, and
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- Then flesh is put on these bones, and they come alive.
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- And this is a symbol, he says, of the nation israel.
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- They'll be dead, they'll be gone, and they'll come to life
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- Again in their land in the last days, and we saw that happen
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- Before our very eyes.
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- And god gave the land of israel to the jewish people.
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- To the jewish people, god said in deuteronomy 1:8, "look, i'm
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- Giving all this land to you!
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- And so go in and occupy it, for it is in this land the lord
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- Swore to give to your ancestors that you have that is given to
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- Abraham, isaac, jacob, and all their descendants."
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- And i bring this up because people will say, "well, you
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- Know, the israelis are occupiers.
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- They've taken land that belonged to someone else."
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- Excuse me, the jews are indigenous to this region.
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- This is their land that god gave to them, and more to the point
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- They haven't even occupied all the land that god did give them.
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- So they are not the occupiers or the colonizers, as some like
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- To say.
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- And listen to this one last thing: god is not done with the
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- Jewish people.
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- I want you to look at romans 11:25.
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- "i want you to understand," writes paul, "the mystery, dear
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- Brothers and sisters, so that you will not feel proud
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- About yourselves.
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- Blindness in part has happened to israel, but that will last
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- Only until the full number of the gentiles have come
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- To christ."
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- God is not done with the jewish people.
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- They're gonna see a great outpouring of the holy spirit on
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- Their people in general and even on the nation israel.
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- There is a spiritual blindness among many jews today.
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- And by that, i mean they are not really open to embracing jesus
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- As the messiah.
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- But that's beginning to change.
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- The last time i interviewed my guest joel rosenberg, he told me
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- There were 15,000 messianic jews in israel, which is actually
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- Quite a few.
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- But he just told me now there's 30,000, so it's doubled.
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- And he estimates there are 1 million messianic jews.
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- A messianic jew is a jew who's put their faith in jesus as
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- The messiah.
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- He believes there is now a million messianic jews around
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- The world.
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- So god is at work, and i wanna explore that more together.
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- So now we're gonna welcome joel rosenberg.
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- He's a "new york times" best-selling author, and he has
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- A television program called "the rosenberg report" and also has
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- A new site, "all israel news," another one called
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- "all arab news."
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- So joel, i tell you what, he's the guy i talked to when i want
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- To get information about that part of the world.
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- So let's give a warm harvest welcome to joel as he comes.
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- Joel rosenberg: thank you.
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- Greg: hello, sir, how are you?
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- Joel: good to see you.
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- Greg: so, joel, let's start off with why should we as christians
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- Care in particular about israel and about the jewish people?
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- Because there are some--there's a name for it,
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- Replacement theology.
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- They would say, "well, israel is not a fulfillment of bible
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- Prophecy, and that only happens when the messiah comes."
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- And they would say that we should not be that concerned
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- About that part of the world.
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- And what would you say in response to that?
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- Joel: well, of course, i disagree with that,
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- And we could talk--
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- Greg: so do i.
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- Joel: thank you.
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- We could talk about why and-- but--and i'm happy to go there
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- If you want.
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- But i will say even if somebody here or watching or listening
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- Feels that way, i would say, okay, set aside our disagreement
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- On whether current israel has anything to do with
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- Bible prophecy.
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- Just think about the great commission.
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- How are you gonna minister to a nation--a people that you think
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- God has nothing to do with anymore?
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- That's impossible.
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- I mean, to do it effectively.
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- If god abandoned the jews and replaced them with a church at
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- The cross because most of my team didn't get it, right?
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- John 1, "he," the messiah, "came to his own," the jewish people,
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- The nation of israel, "and his own received him not.
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- But as many as did receive him," gentiles like you and you, "to
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- Them--to you he gave the right to become the children of god."
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- But if--but our team did fail mostly to get it during the time
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- Of the gospel, but if god abandoned us then, if he cut us
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- Off then, how did paul come to faith in jesus christ after
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- The cross?
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- Why did--how did god use him to reach so many jews and gentiles?
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- No, god obviously is--right in the scriptures--you don't have
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- To go until later.
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- Right in the scriptures, we can see god is not done with
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- The jews.
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- And then go read in romans 11:9, 10, and 11, and so forth.
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- These are--but i would appeal to my friends who think that way
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- And say, okay, just in terms of jewish evangelism, just your
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- Heart and compassion, there's a nation that's grieving.
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- Now, it's not only us, right?
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- The palestinians are grieving.
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- The lebanese are grieving.
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- And i think we are in the most dangerous moment of the war in
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- The past year.
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- I believe it's very possible that in the next few hours or
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- Days, israel will launch the biggest military attack on the
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- Iranian regime and its nuclear facilities and oil refining
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- Facilities in history.
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- And that might end quickly and well for us, or it could lead to
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- An apocalyptic war that makes the last year in gaza seem like
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- A sideshow.
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- That's--so if you're trying to show compassion and you think of
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- Isaiah 40, "comfort my people," how can isaiah say that
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- Prophetically if, "oh, well, no, god's done with us."
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- Well, how is that comforting if he's done with it?
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- He's not done with us.
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- And as you mentioned, now almost a--maybe a little bit over
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- A million jews have come to faith in jesus.
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- Starting when?
- 00:13:20.099 --> 00:13:21.967
- Starting in the jesus revolution.
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- That's when my father, who was raised orthodox jewish in
- 00:13:23.536 --> 00:13:26.639
- Brooklyn--his family escaped out of russia.
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- That's when he came to faith.
- 00:13:28.207 --> 00:13:29.542
- When he came to faith in 1973, he thought he was the first jew
- 00:13:29.542 --> 00:13:32.678
- Since the apostle paul, greg, that believed this.
- 00:13:32.678 --> 00:13:35.514
- He'd never heard of a jew that believed in jesus.
- 00:13:35.514 --> 00:13:37.483
- He never met one.
- 00:13:37.483 --> 00:13:39.318
- And in 1973, we think there were fewer than 2,000 jews on the
- 00:13:39.318 --> 00:13:43.155
- Planet who believed in jesus as the messiah.
- 00:13:43.155 --> 00:13:45.991
- Now there are over a million out of a population of about 15 or
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- 16 million jews.
- 00:13:50.129 --> 00:13:51.463
- So, in terms of sheer numbers and percentages, this is the
- 00:13:51.463 --> 00:13:55.134
- Greatest moment and era of jews coming to faith in jesus and
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- Many, many millions more listening than in all of
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- Human history.
- 00:14:02.308 --> 00:14:04.510
- It's exciting.
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- Greg: yes.
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- Joel: it's exciting.
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- Greg: so you talk about a potentially
- 00:14:08.581 --> 00:14:09.915
- Apocalyptic situation.
- 00:14:09.915 --> 00:14:11.283
- So it's interesting, we have ezekiel 37 that talks about the
- 00:14:11.283 --> 00:14:15.688
- Regathering of the jews to their homeland, which has happened.
- 00:14:15.688 --> 00:14:18.991
- Then we have ezekiel 38, we read about a large force from the
- 00:14:18.991 --> 00:14:22.828
- North of israel, identified as magog, marching on her.
- 00:14:22.828 --> 00:14:27.967
- Israel seems to be isolated at this moment.
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- And one of the allies of magog is called persia, which changed
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- Their name to iran in 1935.
- 00:14:36.842 --> 00:14:39.745
- And so--and we see the aggression of iran
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- Toward israel.
- 00:14:42.715 --> 00:14:44.049
- And they have a hatred for america as well.
- 00:14:44.049 --> 00:14:46.085
- We mustn't miss that.
- 00:14:46.085 --> 00:14:47.920
- And for some inexplicable reason, we've been funding them
- 00:14:47.920 --> 00:14:51.724
- With billions of dollars, and we know that some of that money, no
- 00:14:51.724 --> 00:14:55.160
- Doubt, has gone to the funding of these proxy terrorist
- 00:14:55.160 --> 00:14:58.864
- Organizations like hezbollah or hamas or the houthis.
- 00:14:58.864 --> 00:15:02.801
- And so this is--
- 00:15:02.801 --> 00:15:04.603
- Joel: you have to--if you got a terrorist organization with an h
- 00:15:04.603 --> 00:15:07.006
- In front of your name, you're gonna get a lot of money.
- 00:15:07.006 --> 00:15:10.009
- Hezbollah, houthis, hamas.
- 00:15:10.009 --> 00:15:11.977
- That seems to be the way it's done.
- 00:15:11.977 --> 00:15:13.345
- Greg: it appears that way. right.
- 00:15:13.345 --> 00:15:16.015
- So could any of these events-- like, let's say israel decides
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- To hit iran and take out their nuclear reactor kit or oil
- 00:15:20.619 --> 00:15:24.924
- Reserves or producing mechanisms.
- 00:15:24.924 --> 00:15:28.494
- This could maybe lead to a scenario like that or it
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- May not.
- 00:15:32.798 --> 00:15:34.166
- We don't know.
- 00:15:34.166 --> 00:15:35.501
- But how do you see this in the big prophetic picture?
- 00:15:35.501 --> 00:15:36.969
- Joel: yeah.
- 00:15:36.969 --> 00:15:38.304
- So i'm concerned by some teachers who teach bible
- 00:15:38.304 --> 00:15:41.340
- Prophecy with a bit of a dash of sensationalism.
- 00:15:41.340 --> 00:15:45.678
- I think that's a problem.
- 00:15:45.678 --> 00:15:47.046
- I'm really grateful that you don't.
- 00:15:47.046 --> 00:15:48.814
- And may your tribe increase.
- 00:15:48.814 --> 00:15:50.849
- Many pastors are avoiding it entirely because it's being
- 00:15:50.849 --> 00:15:54.687
- Discredited by those who teach it badly.
- 00:15:54.687 --> 00:15:57.389
- You know, they all seem like they're in area 51.
- 00:15:57.389 --> 00:16:01.727
- They're all from roswell, new mexico, and the websites they
- 00:16:01.727 --> 00:16:04.964
- Build are all red and black, filled with fire, every sentence
- 00:16:04.964 --> 00:16:08.300
- Is in capital letters with 97 exclamation points after it, and
- 00:16:08.300 --> 00:16:11.570
- You're like, "dude, seriously, have some decaf.
- 00:16:11.570 --> 00:16:13.472
- It's gonna be okay."
- 00:16:13.472 --> 00:16:15.307
- So that doesn't help, right?
- 00:16:15.307 --> 00:16:17.009
- But you're an evangelist, and you don't say to yourself, "oh,
- 00:16:17.009 --> 00:16:19.845
- I'm not going to preach the gospel because there are
- 00:16:19.845 --> 00:16:22.548
- Lunatics preaching false gospels, preaching the
- 00:16:22.548 --> 00:16:25.284
- Prosperity gospel," or whatever.
- 00:16:25.284 --> 00:16:27.152
- You teach it and preach it with more clarity and conviction.
- 00:16:27.152 --> 00:16:31.390
- That's what needs to happen with bible prophecy.
- 00:16:31.390 --> 00:16:34.159
- So that's the first thing.
- 00:16:34.159 --> 00:16:35.494
- The second thing is that i forgot your actual question, and
- 00:16:35.494 --> 00:16:38.664
- So you may--because i got--
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- Greg: the big prophetic puzzle.
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- Joel: yeah, the big prophetic picture.
- 00:16:42.735 --> 00:16:44.103
- So--all right, so that's good.
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- Thank you.
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- I don't think there's enough data to say that we're heading
- 00:16:48.374 --> 00:16:52.211
- Into ezekiel 38-39 yet.
- 00:16:52.211 --> 00:16:55.080
- Now, october 6 seemed such a quiet day, we felt so peaceful
- 00:16:55.080 --> 00:16:59.651
- In israel, that if ezekiel 38-39 starts kicking in and we do have
- 00:16:59.651 --> 00:17:04.990
- Enough data, then we'll say, "okay, the six was the day of us
- 00:17:04.990 --> 00:17:09.061
- Living securely in the land," that was one of the
- 00:17:09.061 --> 00:17:11.196
- Preconditions, "and then god didn't tell us about the
- 00:17:11.196 --> 00:17:14.633
- October 7 war."
- 00:17:14.633 --> 00:17:16.602
- That's sort of a gap, right?
- 00:17:16.602 --> 00:17:18.037
- Jesus, when he was announcing his ministry, reading the isaiah
- 00:17:18.037 --> 00:17:22.107
- Scroll from isaiah 61 in nazareth, he has to stop halfway
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- Through a sentence because he said, "the day of god's favor is
- 00:17:26.645 --> 00:17:29.481
- Upon us," right?
- 00:17:29.481 --> 00:17:30.816
- But he stops.
- 00:17:30.816 --> 00:17:32.151
- Why?
- 00:17:32.151 --> 00:17:33.519
- Because the day of vengeance comes in the next part of that
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- Sentence, and we're not at the tribulation yet, so that's
- 00:17:35.120 --> 00:17:37.656
- A 2,000-year gap just in the middle of that sentence that
- 00:17:37.656 --> 00:17:40.759
- Nobody would have seen coming.
- 00:17:40.759 --> 00:17:42.194
- But jesus, of course, did.
- 00:17:42.194 --> 00:17:43.562
- So we have to be cautious.
- 00:17:43.562 --> 00:17:44.897
- We need to be humble when we teach this.
- 00:17:44.897 --> 00:17:46.932
- All that to say, i don't think we're there yet.
- 00:17:46.932 --> 00:17:50.235
- We are in a birth pang.
- 00:17:50.235 --> 00:17:53.305
- Matthew 24, "wars, rumors of wars, kingdom against kingdom,
- 00:17:53.305 --> 00:17:57.009
- Nation against nation."
- 00:17:57.009 --> 00:17:58.343
- I believe that the invasion of ukraine by russia itself is
- 00:17:58.343 --> 00:18:03.515
- A birth pang.
- 00:18:03.515 --> 00:18:04.850
- It's the greatest, largest land war in europe since world
- 00:18:04.850 --> 00:18:07.719
- War ii.
- 00:18:07.719 --> 00:18:09.054
- I believe the 6 million people that died during the covid era--
- 00:18:09.054 --> 00:18:12.424
- I think that was part of a contraction.
- 00:18:12.424 --> 00:18:14.560
- That was--it was part of the birth pangs.
- 00:18:14.560 --> 00:18:17.496
- So birth pangs are contraction, release, contraction, release.
- 00:18:17.496 --> 00:18:21.033
- October 6, we would have said, "we're gonna release in israel."
- 00:18:21.033 --> 00:18:23.969
- We had made peace with four arab neighbors.
- 00:18:23.969 --> 00:18:26.338
- We were about to make peace with the saudis.
- 00:18:26.338 --> 00:18:28.273
- We're clearly in a contraction now that has not let up, and
- 00:18:28.273 --> 00:18:31.977
- We're a year in, and there's no end in sight.
- 00:18:31.977 --> 00:18:34.947
- It could end soon, and if it ends soon and, we get into
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- Release time, six months from now, greg, a year from now,
- 00:18:38.417 --> 00:18:42.521
- Israel may be perceived as the greatest superpower in the
- 00:18:42.521 --> 00:18:46.091
- Region because with no-- almost--well, not enough help
- 00:18:46.091 --> 00:18:49.561
- In my view from the united states and no help from the
- 00:18:49.561 --> 00:18:52.865
- British, who put an arms embargo on us, no help from the french,
- 00:18:52.865 --> 00:18:55.834
- Who put an arms embargo on us, the world abandoning us,
- 00:18:55.834 --> 00:18:59.471
- Accusing us of genocide.
- 00:18:59.471 --> 00:19:00.973
- If israel wins against hamas, which it's already done,
- 00:19:00.973 --> 00:19:05.010
- Hezbollah, we've destroyed half of their missile forces and
- 00:19:05.010 --> 00:19:09.081
- 4,018 of their top leaders, and if we destroy the top leadership
- 00:19:09.081 --> 00:19:15.053
- And the facilities that threaten us in iran, we will all be
- 00:19:15.053 --> 00:19:18.457
- Saying, "the saudis are about to make peace.
- 00:19:18.457 --> 00:19:20.092
- The indonesians are about to make peace."
- 00:19:20.092 --> 00:19:21.894
- This will seem like, "oh, my gosh."
- 00:19:21.894 --> 00:19:23.295
- And that would be a setup for ezekiel 38 and 39 afterwards
- 00:19:23.295 --> 00:19:27.299
- Because it would be the greatest era of calm, quiet, peace, and
- 00:19:27.299 --> 00:19:30.269
- Prosperity in the history of the middle east since david
- 00:19:30.269 --> 00:19:32.871
- And solomon.
- 00:19:32.871 --> 00:19:34.206
- But if we--if this thing goes sour and russia decides to team
- 00:19:34.206 --> 00:19:37.609
- Up with iran and turkey, then that's a different scenario.
- 00:19:37.609 --> 00:19:40.646
- We're just--we just don't know that yet.
- 00:19:40.646 --> 00:19:42.614
- And so we shouldn't try to jump and draw conclusions
- 00:19:42.614 --> 00:19:47.352
- That they're--
- 00:19:47.352 --> 00:19:48.720
- Greg: or even want it to happen.
- 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:50.055
- You know, i was talking with some professors from a seminary
- 00:19:50.055 --> 00:19:53.125
- At the university of haifa, and i said, "let me clear
- 00:19:53.125 --> 00:19:56.428
- Misconception up that you may have about us evangelicals.
- 00:19:56.428 --> 00:19:59.731
- I've heard it said that the reason evangelicals support
- 00:19:59.731 --> 00:20:02.501
- Israel is because we want armageddon to start."
- 00:20:02.501 --> 00:20:05.704
- I said, "nothing could be further from the truth.
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- We love you.
- 00:20:08.273 --> 00:20:09.608
- We want you to be safe and secure.
- 00:20:09.608 --> 00:20:11.410
- And, in fact, the bible tells us in psalm 122 to pray for the
- 00:20:11.410 --> 00:20:15.147
- Peace of jerusalem.
- 00:20:15.147 --> 00:20:16.648
- So we hope for that and we pray for that."
- 00:20:16.648 --> 00:20:19.151
- It's not like we say, "oh, this is--oh, let's--well, let's
- 00:20:19.151 --> 00:20:21.386
- Hope it happens."
- 00:20:21.386 --> 00:20:22.754
- We don't want it to happen, but it's gonna happen.
- 00:20:22.754 --> 00:20:24.723
- It's gonna happen in god's timing.
- 00:20:24.723 --> 00:20:26.725
- But in light of the fact that-- look, here's the bottom line:
- 00:20:26.725 --> 00:20:29.595
- Christ is coming.
- 00:20:29.595 --> 00:20:30.929
- As you said, the labor pains are around us.
- 00:20:30.929 --> 00:20:34.299
- They're getting in--as the labor pains get closer together,
- 00:20:34.299 --> 00:20:37.436
- That means the birth is coming.
- 00:20:37.436 --> 00:20:39.137
- And as we see these events getting closer and closer
- 00:20:39.137 --> 00:20:42.074
- Together, what should we be doing as christians in the light
- 00:20:42.074 --> 00:20:45.677
- Of the fact that christ could come in our lifetime?
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- Joel: yeah.
- 00:20:49.815 --> 00:20:51.149
- Okay, a few things.
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- One: i would say that i believe the verse that captures best
- 00:20:52.517 --> 00:20:54.920
- Where we're at, aside from matthew 24, is amos 9:9.
- 00:20:54.920 --> 00:20:58.590
- This is where god says, "i will shake the house of israel among
- 00:20:58.590 --> 00:21:02.427
- The nations."
- 00:21:02.427 --> 00:21:03.762
- Satan has sent this horrible attack from every different
- 00:21:03.762 --> 00:21:07.499
- Direction against israel.
- 00:21:07.499 --> 00:21:09.001
- This isn't that god did it.
- 00:21:09.001 --> 00:21:10.369
- It's satan doing it to kill us, to destroy us.
- 00:21:10.369 --> 00:21:14.406
- But god is sovereignly letting it happen.
- 00:21:14.406 --> 00:21:16.174
- Why is he doing that?
- 00:21:16.174 --> 00:21:17.509
- He's doing that so that we will be shaken as a people and as
- 00:21:17.509 --> 00:21:20.812
- A region to let go of anyone or anything or any ideology or any
- 00:21:20.812 --> 00:21:25.517
- Religion other than faith in jesus for our hope and our peace
- 00:21:25.517 --> 00:21:30.122
- And our eternal security.
- 00:21:30.122 --> 00:21:31.657
- So god is shaking us because we have not woken up yet as
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- A people or as a region.
- 00:21:34.526 --> 00:21:36.128
- So that's--when you understand amos 9:9, then it begins to make
- 00:21:36.128 --> 00:21:40.399
- More sense.
- 00:21:40.399 --> 00:21:41.767
- "why is god letting this happen?
- 00:21:41.767 --> 00:21:43.101
- Isn't this mean?"
- 00:21:43.101 --> 00:21:44.469
- Well, it's not mean, but we, as jews, are sheep that are not
- 00:21:44.469 --> 00:21:48.006
- Acknowledging or embracing our shepherd.
- 00:21:48.006 --> 00:21:50.208
- Some believe there isn't a shepherd.
- 00:21:50.208 --> 00:21:51.777
- Some believe that the shepherd hates us, the shepherd's
- 00:21:51.777 --> 00:21:54.713
- Impotent, the shepherd is a moron, or--you know, we have--
- 00:21:54.713 --> 00:21:57.582
- Israelis have all kinds of views of god, but they've forgotten
- 00:21:57.582 --> 00:22:02.220
- Psalm 23.
- 00:22:02.220 --> 00:22:03.555
- The problem is, if you reject the shepherd or you don't want
- 00:22:03.555 --> 00:22:07.826
- To listen to him or whatever, you are under the false sense
- 00:22:07.826 --> 00:22:12.297
- That the countryside is safe.
- 00:22:12.297 --> 00:22:15.367
- But the fact is, one of the reasons we have a shepherd is
- 00:22:15.367 --> 00:22:17.669
- Not just to feed us and take care of us, but to protect us
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- From ravenous wolves.
- 00:22:20.839 --> 00:22:22.240
- And there are forces, there are ravenous wolves throughout the
- 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:25.811
- Middle east, throughout the world, that hate jews and want
- 00:22:25.811 --> 00:22:27.579
- To destroy us.
- 00:22:27.579 --> 00:22:29.147
- I'll say this.
- 00:22:29.147 --> 00:22:30.482
- Two last points from--i'm gonna quote from my favorite book of
- 00:22:30.482 --> 00:22:33.118
- The bible, which is the book of joel.
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- So i encourage you to embrace that as your favorite book
- 00:22:34.786 --> 00:22:39.424
- As well.
- 00:22:39.424 --> 00:22:41.660
- Joel chapter 3, verse 1, "for behold, in those days and at
- 00:22:41.660 --> 00:22:45.697
- That time, when i restore the fortunes of judah and jerusalem,
- 00:22:45.697 --> 00:22:50.535
- And i will gather all the nations and bring them down to
- 00:22:50.535 --> 00:22:53.939
- The valley of jehoshaphat."
- 00:22:53.939 --> 00:22:55.273
- Which mean god judges.
- 00:22:55.273 --> 00:22:56.675
- "there--then i will--then--" after he rebuilds israel, after
- 00:22:56.675 --> 00:23:00.512
- He brings the jews back, then he's gonna bring the nations to
- 00:23:00.512 --> 00:23:03.048
- Attack us.
- 00:23:03.048 --> 00:23:04.383
- "then i will enter into judgment with them," the nations there,
- 00:23:04.383 --> 00:23:07.486
- "on behalf of my people and my inheritance, israel, whom they
- 00:23:07.486 --> 00:23:11.223
- Have scattered among the nations; and then they have
- 00:23:11.223 --> 00:23:13.392
- Divided up my land."
- 00:23:13.392 --> 00:23:15.961
- The nations of the world are responsible for, first, driving
- 00:23:15.961 --> 00:23:19.664
- Us out of israel, and now that we've regathered, for trying to
- 00:23:19.664 --> 00:23:23.435
- Divide up our land and give it to our enemies.
- 00:23:23.435 --> 00:23:25.904
- So to wrap that up, i would say the joshua fund, "all israel
- 00:23:25.904 --> 00:23:30.075
- News," we talk about four things we want to encourage christians
- 00:23:30.075 --> 00:23:33.345
- To understand and do.
- 00:23:33.345 --> 00:23:34.679
- Greg: so joel has an organization called the joshua
- 00:23:34.679 --> 00:23:37.182
- Fund that he's referring to.
- 00:23:37.182 --> 00:23:38.517
- Go ahead.
- 00:23:38.517 --> 00:23:39.885
- Joel: yeah, it's a ministry that we started 18 years ago to
- 00:23:39.885 --> 00:23:42.053
- Educate and mobilize christians to bless israel and her
- 00:23:42.053 --> 00:23:45.257
- Neighbors, palestinians and others, in the name of jesus.
- 00:23:45.257 --> 00:23:48.260
- And so we encourage people to do four things: learn, pray, give,
- 00:23:48.260 --> 00:23:55.167
- And go.
- 00:23:55.167 --> 00:23:56.768
- Part of my role was the educational side of this.
- 00:23:56.768 --> 00:23:59.004
- This is why i'm doing this, and i appreciate you inviting,
- 00:23:59.004 --> 00:24:01.273
- Especially this weekend.
- 00:24:01.273 --> 00:24:02.607
- So--and the more we understand what god is doing, what he wants
- 00:24:02.607 --> 00:24:06.478
- To do, what the enemy is doing, it will motivate us to pray and
- 00:24:06.478 --> 00:24:10.248
- To pray more specifically.
- 00:24:10.248 --> 00:24:11.750
- As we pray more, we will have a heart to want to give our time,
- 00:24:11.750 --> 00:24:15.787
- Our talent, and even our treasures to invest in building the kingdom and fulfilling the great commission in the
- 00:24:15.787 --> 00:24:18.957
- Epicenter, in the middle east.
- 00:24:21.626 --> 00:24:23.261
- And then go.
- 00:24:23.261 --> 00:24:24.629
- Now, often we say, "go to israel."
- 00:24:24.629 --> 00:24:26.865
- Now i would say don't go to israel.
- 00:24:26.865 --> 00:24:29.534
- But i would say go and preach the gospel to everybody
- 00:24:29.534 --> 00:24:32.904
- In creation.
- 00:24:32.904 --> 00:24:34.239
- And by strengthening the joshua fund, as just one example, this
- 00:24:34.239 --> 00:24:37.409
- Is what we're doing: we're investing in the local
- 00:24:37.409 --> 00:24:39.811
- Believers, yes, for humanitarian relief, but also to strengthen
- 00:24:39.811 --> 00:24:43.281
- Them so they can preach the word of god and fulfill the
- 00:24:43.281 --> 00:24:45.717
- Great commission.
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- Again, israelis, palestinians, lebanese, syrians, jordanians,
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- Iraqis, and egyptians.
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- This is a group of people that don't know christ.
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- And how are they gonna say yes if they haven't even heard?
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- And we need to strengthen the local church so that they can
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- Reach their people and hopefully fulfill the great commission in
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- Our lifetime.
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- So as horrible as this year has been, lynn and i and our family
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- And our team are so grateful to be there because this is why
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- We're there: to love our neighbors and to love our
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- Enemies and to help the local believers fulfill the
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- Great commission.
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- Greg: well, joel, thank you for all that you do.
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- You're a bright light everywhere you go.
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- Greg: there are so many things to be worried about right now,
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- Aren't there?
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- The worrying about terrorism, worry about your personal
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- Safety, violent crime, the economy.
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- The list goes on.
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- Here's what the bible says: don't worry about anything.
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- Pray about everything.
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- Turn your panic into prayer.
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- Jesus said, "come unto me, all of you that are laboring and are
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- Heavy laden.
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- I will give you rest."
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- Give your burdens, give your problems, over to god, and let
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- Him give you his peace in your heart.
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- Let me send for you at no charge what i call a new believer's
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- Bible to help you grow in a relationship with god and learn
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- How to turn your panic into prayer and your worry
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- Into worship.
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- Greg: greg laurie here.
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- You know, at harvest ministries we're committing to reaching
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- Unexpected people in unexpected places with an
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- Unexpected message.
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- And thanks to your financial support, we've been able to
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- Touch people all over the world with the hope of jesus christ.
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- Your gifts today not only help us reach millions across the
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- Country through this television program, they also help us to
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- Bring hope to people in their biggest need, whether through
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- Our evangelistic events or our relief efforts, together we've
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- Been able to minister to so many people devastated by the fires
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- In lahaina on the island of maui.
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- And also, your support has helped us partner to bring
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- Medical help in the ongoing conflict in israel.
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- So i'm asking you today to continue to support this
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- Ministry so we can do everything possible to fulfill the
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- Great commission.
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- Let's do this together, and let me say in advance,
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- Thank you and god bless you.
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