Joyce Meyer - Life Beyond Hurt (Part 1)

August 5, 2025 | 29:29

How can we heal from deep pain? Join Joyce, Ginger, and Erin as they speak with Nona Jones about God’s healing power and a future filled with hope.

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Joyce Meyer: Enjoying Everyday Life | Joyce Meyer - Life Beyond Hurt (Part 1) | August 5, 2025

>> joyce: i do what
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>> joyce: i do what i do because i've seen god's
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>> joyce: i do what i do because i've seen god's power transform my own life,
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I do because i've seen god's power transform my own life, and he will do it for you.
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Power transform my own life, and he will do it for you. the key to everything
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And he will do it for you. the key to everything is found in god's word.
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The key to everything is found in god's word. i'm joyce meyer,
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Is found in god's word. i'm joyce meyer, and i believe that god can heal
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I'm joyce meyer, and i believe that god can heal you everywhere you hurt.
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>> ginger: hey, everyone.
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>> ginger: hey, everyone. welcome to
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>> ginger: hey, everyone. welcome to “enjoying everyday life.”
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Welcome to “enjoying everyday life.” today, we are talking about
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“enjoying everyday life.” today, we are talking about receiving healing for your
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Today, we are talking about receiving healing for your soul from the deep cuts of life.
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Receiving healing for your soul from the deep cuts of life. and though god can heal
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Soul from the deep cuts of life. and though god can heal us immediately, we often must
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And though god can heal us immediately, we often must walk through a healing process.
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And if you are walking
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And if you are walking through that difficult process,
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And if you are walking through that difficult process, get ready to be encouraged.
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Through that difficult process, get ready to be encouraged. joyce has been there.
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Get ready to be encouraged. joyce has been there. our guest today,
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Joyce has been there. our guest today, nona jones, has been there.
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Our guest today, nona jones, has been there. and today,
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Nona jones, has been there. and today, erin and i have a talk it out
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And today, erin and i have a talk it out conversation with them
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Erin and i have a talk it out conversation with them about healing the soul.
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Conversation with them about healing the soul. we hope you'll join us.
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>> ginger: we are kicking
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>> ginger: we are kicking off a new series that
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>> ginger: we are kicking off a new series that is going to be so good,
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Off a new series that is going to be so good, so strong, so powerful,
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Is going to be so good, so strong, so powerful, so needed.
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So strong, so powerful, so needed. we're talking about
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So needed. we're talking about healing the soul.
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We're talking about healing the soul. and we as, women, especially,
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Healing the soul. and we as, women, especially, we often have so many hurts
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And we as, women, especially, we often have so many hurts and nicks and scratches,
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We often have so many hurts and nicks and scratches, but then even the deep things
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And nicks and scratches, but then even the deep things of abuse and all of those
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But then even the deep things of abuse and all of those things that become wounds
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Of abuse and all of those things that become wounds that we just don't know
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Things that become wounds that we just don't know what to deal with.
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That we just don't know what to deal with. and the great news is,
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What to deal with. and the great news is, is that god has an answer
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And the great news is, is that god has an answer for your wound,
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Is that god has an answer for your wound, whatever it may be.
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For your wound, whatever it may be. so, we're so glad that
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Whatever it may be. so, we're so glad that you're here with us,
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So, we're so glad that you're here with us, to come on in,
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You're here with us, to come on in, and be part of this conversation
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To come on in, and be part of this conversation with joyce and erin,
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And be part of this conversation with joyce and erin, and our special guest today,
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With joyce and erin, and our special guest today, nona jones.
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And our special guest today, nona jones. >> nona: hey!
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Nona jones. >> nona: hey! >> ginger: it is so good
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>> nona: hey! >> ginger: it is so good to have you with us.
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>> ginger: it is so good to have you with us. >> [ladies clapping]
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To have you with us. >> [ladies clapping] >> nona: oh, this is my joy.
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>> [ladies clapping] >> nona: oh, this is my joy. thanks for having me.
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>> nona: oh, this is my joy. thanks for having me. i'm excited about
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Thanks for having me. i'm excited about this conversation, today.
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I'm excited about this conversation, today. >> ginger: we're thrilled.
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This conversation, today. >> ginger: we're thrilled. what people may not know about
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>> ginger: we're thrilled. what people may not know about nona, if you know a lot about
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What people may not know about nona, if you know a lot about nona, you may not know--
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Nona, if you know a lot about nona, you may not know-- >> joyce: or if you
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Nona, you may not know-- >> joyce: or if you don't know nona.
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>> joyce: or if you don't know nona. >> ginger: right,
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Don't know nona. >> ginger: right, you may not realize
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>> ginger: right, you may not realize that one of her favorite
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You may not realize that one of her favorite things to do is karaoke.
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That one of her favorite things to do is karaoke. >> [ladies laughing]
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Things to do is karaoke. >> [ladies laughing] >> ginger: and a celine dion
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>> [ladies laughing] >> ginger: and a celine dion song is your go-to.
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>> ginger: and a celine dion song is your go-to. >> nona: you know,
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Song is your go-to. >> nona: you know, but it has to be on a cruise.
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I love to do "my heart
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I love to do "my heart will go on" on the cruise
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I love to do "my heart will go on" on the cruise because it just feels right.
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Will go on" on the cruise because it just feels right. it feels wrong, but right.
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Because it just feels right. it feels wrong, but right. >> ginger: it feels so wrong,
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It feels wrong, but right. >> ginger: it feels so wrong, it feels right.
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>> ginger: it feels so wrong, it feels right. >> nona: yeah.
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It feels right. >> nona: yeah. >> erin: but you won't
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>> nona: yeah. >> erin: but you won't do it on land, though.
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>> erin: but you won't do it on land, though. >> ginger: something
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Do it on land, though. >> ginger: something about the titanic.
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>> ginger: something about the titanic. >> nona: no, it has
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About the titanic. >> nona: no, it has to be on a boat.
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>> nona: no, it has to be on a boat. it has to be on a boat.
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To be on a boat. it has to be on a boat. and there has
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It has to be on a boat. and there has to be wind blowing.
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And there has to be wind blowing. there has to be a moment,
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To be wind blowing. there has to be a moment, you know?
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There has to be a moment, you know? >> ginger: maybe we'll save
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You know? >> ginger: maybe we'll save that for the end.
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>> ginger: maybe we'll save that for the end. >> nona: let's do it.
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That for the end. >> nona: let's do it. >> ginger: let's see
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>> nona: let's do it. >> ginger: let's see what happens.
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>> ginger: let's see what happens. >> joyce: let's save
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What happens. >> joyce: let's save it until the end.
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>> joyce: let's save it until the end. >> [ladies laughing]
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It until the end. >> [ladies laughing] >> erin: joyce is gonna join in.
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>> [ladies laughing] >> erin: joyce is gonna join in. >> nona: yes.
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>> erin: joyce is gonna join in. >> nona: yes. four-part harmony.
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>> nona: yes. four-part harmony. it's gonna be great.
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Four-part harmony. it's gonna be great. >> ginger: we are gonna
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It's gonna be great. >> ginger: we are gonna be talking about this
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>> ginger: we are gonna be talking about this topic for a little bit
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Be talking about this topic for a little bit because there's--
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Topic for a little bit because there's-- you know, healing is not
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Because there's-- you know, healing is not something that you hear
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You know, healing is not something that you hear an answer and it's done,
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Something that you hear an answer and it's done, you know.
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An answer and it's done, you know. and god, of course,
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You know. and god, of course, can do miracles.
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And god, of course, can do miracles. he can work in that way,
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Can do miracles. he can work in that way, but normally he walks
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He can work in that way, but normally he walks us through a process,
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But normally he walks us through a process, and we have to give
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Us through a process, and we have to give ourself patience and time,
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And we have to give ourself patience and time, because that's the only way
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Ourself patience and time, because that's the only way that the healing really sticks.
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Because that's the only way that the healing really sticks. and so, joyce,
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That the healing really sticks. and so, joyce, you've been through
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And so, joyce, you've been through this personally.
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You've been through this personally. you've shared about it.
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This personally. you've shared about it. you've been such
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You've shared about it. you've been such a huge part of sharing
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You've been such a huge part of sharing this important message
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A huge part of sharing this important message in so many people's lives.
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This important message in so many people's lives. we're gonna start
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In so many people's lives. we're gonna start with a little teaching
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We're gonna start with a little teaching that joyce has first,
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With a little teaching that joyce has first, talking about how god wants
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That joyce has first, talking about how god wants to heal and restore our souls.
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Talking about how god wants to heal and restore our souls. and that's a really
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To heal and restore our souls. and that's a really important thing.
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And that's a really important thing. sometimes, you think "god
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Important thing. sometimes, you think "god wants to heal everybody else,
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Sometimes, you think "god wants to heal everybody else, but does he want to heal me?"
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Wants to heal everybody else, but does he want to heal me?" so, we're gonna listen to this,
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But does he want to heal me?" so, we're gonna listen to this, and we're gonna all come
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So, we're gonna listen to this, and we're gonna all come back and talk about it.
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>> joyce: psalm 147:3,
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>> joyce: psalm 147:3, "he heals the brokenhearted
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>> joyce: psalm 147:3, "he heals the brokenhearted and he binds up their wounds
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"he heals the brokenhearted and he binds up their wounds [curing their pain
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And he binds up their wounds [curing their pain and their sorrow]."
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[curing their pain and their sorrow]." isn't that beautiful?
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And their sorrow]." isn't that beautiful? "he heals the brokenhearted,
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Isn't that beautiful? "he heals the brokenhearted, he binds up their wounds
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"he heals the brokenhearted, he binds up their wounds [curing their pain
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He binds up their wounds [curing their pain and their sorrow]."
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You know what?
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You know what? we've all got a story.
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You know what? we've all got a story. and your story is important.
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We've all got a story. and your story is important. and maybe you're one of the ones
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And your story is important. and maybe you're one of the ones who could give your victory
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And maybe you're one of the ones who could give your victory report, your testimony of what
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Who could give your victory report, your testimony of what god has done for you.
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Report, your testimony of what god has done for you. and maybe you're in the process
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God has done for you. and maybe you're in the process of watching god do something
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And maybe you're in the process of watching god do something for you.
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Of watching god do something for you. or maybe, just maybe,
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For you. or maybe, just maybe, you're here tonight and you just
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Or maybe, just maybe, you're here tonight and you just thought you had to live with it.
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You're here tonight and you just thought you had to live with it. it's amazing how many people
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Thought you had to live with it. it's amazing how many people that even are christians and go
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It's amazing how many people that even are christians and go to church, i was one of them for
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That even are christians and go to church, i was one of them for a long time, who has no idea
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To church, i was one of them for a long time, who has no idea that god is interested in
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A long time, who has no idea that god is interested in anything other than just saving
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That god is interested in anything other than just saving them and getting them to heaven.
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Anything other than just saving them and getting them to heaven. and so, i lived as a broken
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Them and getting them to heaven. and so, i lived as a broken christian for a long, long,
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And so, i lived as a broken christian for a long, long, long, long time.
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Christian for a long, long, long, long time. and i think it's bad to be a
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Long, long time. and i think it's bad to be a pitiful sinner, but it's really
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And i think it's bad to be a pitiful sinner, but it's really bad to be a pitiful saint.
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Because we are god's
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Because we are god's advertisement to the world.
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Because we are god's advertisement to the world. we're his ambassadors, and he's
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Advertisement to the world. we're his ambassadors, and he's making an appeal to the world
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We're his ambassadors, and he's making an appeal to the world through us.
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Making an appeal to the world through us. and so, it's important for your
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Through us. and so, it's important for your sake and also for his that if
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And so, it's important for your sake and also for his that if you've never done it before,
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Sake and also for his that if you've never done it before, that you make a decision tonight
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You've never done it before, that you make a decision tonight that you're going to go all
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That you make a decision tonight that you're going to go all the way through with god, and
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That you're going to go all the way through with god, and you're going to be everything
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The way through with god, and you're going to be everything that you can be in him.
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You're going to be everything that you can be in him. and that you're not gonna
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That you can be in him. and that you're not gonna live full of pain, and secrets,
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And that you're not gonna live full of pain, and secrets, and regrets from the past.
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But you're gonna go all the
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But you're gonna go all the way through, and you are gonna
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But you're gonna go all the way through, and you are gonna be whole, and you are gonna
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Way through, and you are gonna be whole, and you are gonna be happy, and you are gonna
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Be whole, and you are gonna be happy, and you are gonna be strong, and you are
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Be happy, and you are gonna be strong, and you are gonna be confident, and you
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Be strong, and you are gonna be confident, and you are gonna hold your head up
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Gonna be confident, and you are gonna hold your head up high, and you're gonna make
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Are gonna hold your head up high, and you're gonna make the devil mad every single day
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High, and you're gonna make the devil mad every single day that you're on this planet.
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The devil mad every single day that you're on this planet. amen?
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That you're on this planet. amen? >> [audience applauding]
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>> joyce: psalm 40:2 and 3,
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>> joyce: psalm 40:2 and 3, a wonderful promise from god.
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>> joyce: psalm 40:2 and 3, a wonderful promise from god. "he drew me up out of a horrible
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A wonderful promise from god. "he drew me up out of a horrible pit [a pit of tumult and
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"he drew me up out of a horrible pit [a pit of tumult and of destruction], out of the miry
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Pit [a pit of tumult and of destruction], out of the miry clay (froth and slime),
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Of destruction], out of the miry clay (froth and slime), and he set my feet upon a rock,
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Clay (froth and slime), and he set my feet upon a rock, steadying my steps
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And he set my feet upon a rock, steadying my steps and established my goings.
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Steadying my steps and established my goings. and he has put a new song
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And established my goings. and he has put a new song in my mouth, a song of praise
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And he has put a new song in my mouth, a song of praise to our god.
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In my mouth, a song of praise to our god. many shall see and fear
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To our god. many shall see and fear (revere and worship) and put
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Many shall see and fear (revere and worship) and put their trust and confident
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(revere and worship) and put their trust and confident reliance in the lord."
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Their trust and confident reliance in the lord." do you see what that's saying?
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He said, "look, i was in a pit.
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He said, "look, i was in a pit. he lifted me out of that pit.
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He said, "look, i was in a pit. he lifted me out of that pit. he set my feet on a rock.
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He lifted me out of that pit. he set my feet on a rock. people saw it, and then they
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He set my feet on a rock. people saw it, and then they wanted to serve the lord."
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People saw it, and then they wanted to serve the lord." come on, people saw it, and then
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Wanted to serve the lord." come on, people saw it, and then they wanted to serve the lord.
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Come on, people saw it, and then they wanted to serve the lord. >> [audience applauding]
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They wanted to serve the lord. >> [audience applauding] >> joyce: one of the best things
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>> [audience applauding] >> joyce: one of the best things you can do for yourself
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>> joyce: one of the best things you can do for yourself and for god, one of the greatest
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You can do for yourself and for god, one of the greatest ways that you can serve god,
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And for god, one of the greatest ways that you can serve god, is to let him heal your life,
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Ways that you can serve god, is to let him heal your life, and then be an example
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Is to let him heal your life, and then be an example to other people that
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And then be an example to other people that if god can do it for you,
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To other people that if god can do it for you, god can do it for them.
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If god can do it for you, god can do it for them. and if god does it for you,
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God can do it for them. and if god does it for you, god will do it for them!
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And if god does it for you, god will do it for them! i'm here to tell you tonight
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God will do it for them! i'm here to tell you tonight that you do not have
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I'm here to tell you tonight that you do not have to stay broken!
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That you do not have to stay broken! you do not have
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To stay broken! you do not have to stay miserable.
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You do not have to stay miserable. you don't have to live
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To stay miserable. you don't have to live in depression, you don't have
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You don't have to live in depression, you don't have to live in self-pity, you don't
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In depression, you don't have to live in self-pity, you don't have to live hating yourself
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To live in self-pity, you don't have to live hating yourself and despising yourself!
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Have to live hating yourself and despising yourself! you don't have to live
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And despising yourself! you don't have to live in regret, and you don't have
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You don't have to live in regret, and you don't have to live in dread, and you don't
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In regret, and you don't have to live in dread, and you don't have to live in fear!
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To live in dread, and you don't have to live in fear! god is living in you,
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Have to live in fear! god is living in you, and you can live the life that
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God is living in you, and you can live the life that jesus died to give you!
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>> ginger: well, if people
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>> ginger: well, if people aren't ready now, you know,
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>> ginger: well, if people aren't ready now, you know, they're not ready to reach out
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Aren't ready now, you know, they're not ready to reach out and receive what god
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They're not ready to reach out and receive what god has for them.
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And receive what god has for them. i love what you said, psalm 40,
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Has for them. i love what you said, psalm 40, "he drew me up out
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I love what you said, psalm 40, "he drew me up out of a horrible pit."
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"he drew me up out of a horrible pit." >> joyce: pit, yeah.
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Of a horrible pit." >> joyce: pit, yeah. >> ginger: and it's a pit that
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>> joyce: pit, yeah. >> ginger: and it's a pit that so many people can relate to.
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>> ginger: and it's a pit that so many people can relate to. and joyce, obviously, you can,
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So many people can relate to. and joyce, obviously, you can, and nona, you've had those
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And joyce, obviously, you can, and nona, you've had those pits of your own as well,
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And nona, you've had those pits of your own as well, haven't you?
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Pits of your own as well, haven't you? >> nona: oh yeah.
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Haven't you? >> nona: oh yeah. so, i think people tend
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>> nona: oh yeah. so, i think people tend to walk into the successful
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So, i think people tend to walk into the successful chapter that your life is on,
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To walk into the successful chapter that your life is on, and they just assume
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Chapter that your life is on, and they just assume that's the whole story.
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So, people look at me,
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So, people look at me, and they're like, you know,
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So, people look at me, and they're like, you know, "you're writing
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And they're like, you know, "you're writing and you're preaching
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"you're writing and you're preaching and you're doing all this,
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And you're preaching and you're doing all this, and you could surely
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And you're doing all this, and you could surely not have a story."
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And you could surely not have a story." but i wasn't even raised
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Not have a story." but i wasn't even raised in a christian home.
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But i wasn't even raised in a christian home. and so, very similar to you,
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I experienced abuse
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I experienced abuse of all types, only child.
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I experienced abuse of all types, only child. my mom knew about it.
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Of all types, only child. my mom knew about it. she actually had
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My mom knew about it. she actually had the guy arrested.
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She actually had the guy arrested. and then, on the day
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The guy arrested. and then, on the day of his release from jail,
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And then, on the day of his release from jail, took me with her to pick him up
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Of his release from jail, took me with her to pick him up and brought him back home.
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Took me with her to pick him up and brought him back home. and so, that essentially
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And brought him back home. and so, that essentially gave him a license to keep
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And so, that essentially gave him a license to keep abusing me.
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Gave him a license to keep abusing me. and so, i tried to end my life
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Abusing me. and so, i tried to end my life at the ages of nine and eleven.
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And so, i tried to end my life at the ages of nine and eleven. but through the grace of god,
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At the ages of nine and eleven. but through the grace of god, in the sixth grade,
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But through the grace of god, in the sixth grade, a classmate invited
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In the sixth grade, a classmate invited me to come to church with her.
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A classmate invited me to come to church with her. and i didn't know what
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Me to come to church with her. and i didn't know what church was, right?
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And i didn't know what church was, right? like, "what church--
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Church was, right? like, "what church-- is it a game?
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Like, "what church-- is it a game? what are we doing?"
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Is it a game? what are we doing?" but her mom picked me up
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What are we doing?" but her mom picked me up and took me to the church thing.
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But her mom picked me up and took me to the church thing. and i remember walking into
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And took me to the church thing. and i remember walking into this building with these
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And i remember walking into this building with these strangers and they were
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This building with these strangers and they were just so loving and welcoming.
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Strangers and they were just so loving and welcoming. and the first
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Just so loving and welcoming. and the first message i ever heard,
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And the first message i ever heard, i think the pastor
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Message i ever heard, i think the pastor preached out of psalm 27,
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I think the pastor preached out of psalm 27, i think, where he said,
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Preached out of psalm 27, i think, where he said, "god is a father
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I think, where he said, "god is a father to the fatherless."
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"god is a father to the fatherless." and that thing hit me.
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To the fatherless." and that thing hit me. >> ginger: wow.
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And that thing hit me. >> ginger: wow. >> nona: even at 11,
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>> ginger: wow. >> nona: even at 11, i was like, "well, if god
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>> nona: even at 11, i was like, "well, if god is a father to the fatherless,
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I was like, "well, if god is a father to the fatherless, i don't have my father.
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Is a father to the fatherless, i don't have my father. who is god?"
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I don't have my father. who is god?" and i think god does
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Who is god?" and i think god does things like that, right?
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And i think god does things like that, right? like, he sees us in our
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Things like that, right? like, he sees us in our isolation and our pain,
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Like, he sees us in our isolation and our pain, and he finds a way to speak
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Isolation and our pain, and he finds a way to speak a word that even ignites
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And he finds a way to speak a word that even ignites curiosity about who he is.
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A word that even ignites curiosity about who he is. >> ginger: that was the perfect
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Curiosity about who he is. >> ginger: that was the perfect thing for you at that time.
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>> ginger: that was the perfect thing for you at that time. >> nona: absolutely.
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Thing for you at that time. >> nona: absolutely. i needed to hear that to even
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>> nona: absolutely. i needed to hear that to even have the curiosity about,
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I needed to hear that to even have the curiosity about, "well, who is god?"
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Have the curiosity about, "well, who is god?" and that moment
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"well, who is god?" and that moment became the inflection
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And that moment became the inflection point in my journey
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Became the inflection point in my journey to christ because god is--
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Point in my journey to christ because god is-- he's faithful.
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To christ because god is-- he's faithful. he's so faithful,
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He's faithful. he's so faithful, even in our broken
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He's so faithful, even in our broken heartedness he is.
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Even in our broken heartedness he is. >> joyce: yeah.
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Heartedness he is. >> joyce: yeah. >> ginger: you both have
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>> joyce: yeah. >> ginger: you both have had that experience
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>> ginger: you both have had that experience of a mother who basically
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Had that experience of a mother who basically abandoned you to the abuse.
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Of a mother who basically abandoned you to the abuse. >> nona: oh, yeah.
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>> joyce: that's been
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>> joyce: that's been very hard for me to--
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>> joyce: that's been very hard for me to-- still don't understand.
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Very hard for me to-- still don't understand. i don't understand how
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Still don't understand. i don't understand how a mother can know that
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I don't understand how a mother can know that her husband is abusing her
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A mother can know that her husband is abusing her daughter, or in your case,
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Her husband is abusing her daughter, or in your case, it was your mother's boyfriends,
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Daughter, or in your case, it was your mother's boyfriends, and just let 'em do it.
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It was your mother's boyfriends, and just let 'em do it. my mother was--
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And just let 'em do it. my mother was-- she had a lot
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My mother was-- she had a lot of fear of my father.
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She had a lot of fear of my father. and i guess about 30 years
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Of fear of my father. and i guess about 30 years after it happened,
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And i guess about 30 years after it happened, she finally said to me,
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After it happened, she finally said to me, "i'm sorry for what i let
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She finally said to me, "i'm sorry for what i let your dad do to you."
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"i'm sorry for what i let your dad do to you." she said, "i just couldn't
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Your dad do to you." she said, "i just couldn't face the scandal."
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She said, "i just couldn't face the scandal." and so, i have to be very
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Face the scandal." and so, i have to be very careful because if i have
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And so, i have to be very careful because if i have to deal with somebody that
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Careful because if i have to deal with somebody that won't be responsible for things,
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To deal with somebody that won't be responsible for things, they need to be responsible
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Won't be responsible for things, they need to be responsible for, it's really hard for me not
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They need to be responsible for, it's really hard for me not to just really not like 'em.
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For, it's really hard for me not to just really not like 'em. >> nona: yeah, same.
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To just really not like 'em. >> nona: yeah, same. >> ginger: yeah.
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>> nona: yeah, same. >> ginger: yeah. >> joyce: because we all
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>> ginger: yeah. >> joyce: because we all have a responsibility
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>> joyce: because we all have a responsibility and she had a responsibility,
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Have a responsibility and she had a responsibility, just like your mother did.
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And she had a responsibility, just like your mother did. they had a responsibility
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Just like your mother did. they had a responsibility to take care of us.
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They had a responsibility to take care of us. and so, you grow up
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To take care of us. and so, you grow up with all these,
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And so, you grow up with all these, "what's wrong with me?
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With all these, "what's wrong with me? what's--"
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"what's wrong with me? what's--" >> ginger: yeah.
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What's--" >> ginger: yeah. >> joyce: "why did they
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>> ginger: yeah. >> joyce: "why did they do that to me?
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>> joyce: "why did they do that to me? there must be something
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Do that to me? there must be something wrong with me if my father
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There must be something wrong with me if my father wants to do that to me."
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>> ginger: or "why am i not
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>> ginger: or "why am i not worthy of protection?"
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>> ginger: or "why am i not worthy of protection?" you know.
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Worthy of protection?" you know. >> joyce: and i distinctly
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You know. >> joyce: and i distinctly remember thinking that
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>> joyce: and i distinctly remember thinking that i would always have to take--
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Remember thinking that i would always have to take-- i would always have
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I would always have to take-- i would always have a second-rate life.
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I couldn't expect the best,
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I couldn't expect the best, but i could, you know,
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I couldn't expect the best, but i could, you know, put up with whatever i got
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But i could, you know, put up with whatever i got because i didn't deserve
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Put up with whatever i got because i didn't deserve anything better than that.
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Because i didn't deserve anything better than that. >> nona: same.
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Anything better than that. >> nona: same. >> joyce: and it was so good
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>> nona: same. >> joyce: and it was so good for me when i realized that
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>> joyce: and it was so good for me when i realized that god can heal you everywhere.
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For me when i realized that god can heal you everywhere. i think people sometimes
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God can heal you everywhere. i think people sometimes think that god only heals us
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I think people sometimes think that god only heals us spiritually, that all he cares
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Think that god only heals us spiritually, that all he cares about is saving us from our
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Spiritually, that all he cares about is saving us from our sins so we can go to heaven.
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About is saving us from our sins so we can go to heaven. but he wants us to have
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Sins so we can go to heaven. but he wants us to have a great life while we're here.
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But he wants us to have a great life while we're here. and you can't do that
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A great life while we're here. and you can't do that if you're bleeding in your
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And you can't do that if you're bleeding in your soul from all the pain
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If you're bleeding in your soul from all the pain that you've had there.
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Soul from all the pain that you've had there. >> nona: can i also say?
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That you've had there. >> nona: can i also say? i think there's something
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>> nona: can i also say? i think there's something particularly wounding about
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I think there's something particularly wounding about a mother abandoning you,
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Particularly wounding about a mother abandoning you, because in some ways it's almost
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A mother abandoning you, because in some ways it's almost like nobody expects that.
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Because in some ways it's almost like nobody expects that. even talking about that,
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Like nobody expects that. even talking about that, you know, is taboo like,
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Even talking about that, you know, is taboo like, "how could you say something
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You know, is taboo like, "how could you say something like that about mom?"
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"how could you say something like that about mom?" because we all assume that
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Like that about mom?" because we all assume that "mom's gonna be there,
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Because we all assume that "mom's gonna be there, mom's gonna protect you."
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"mom's gonna be there, mom's gonna protect you." "if your father walks away,
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Mom's gonna protect you." "if your father walks away, you got your mom."
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"if your father walks away, you got your mom." and then when
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You got your mom." and then when that isn't the case--
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And then when that isn't the case-- i think going back
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That isn't the case-- i think going back to what you said,
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I think going back to what you said, what i wrestled with is such
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To what you said, what i wrestled with is such a deep sense of unworthiness.
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What i wrestled with is such a deep sense of unworthiness. because it's like,
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A deep sense of unworthiness. because it's like, "if my own mom didn't think
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Because it's like, "if my own mom didn't think i was worth protecting,
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"if my own mom didn't think i was worth protecting, man, i must not
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I was worth protecting, man, i must not be worth anything," right?
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Man, i must not be worth anything," right? it's deep.
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Be worth anything," right? it's deep. it's deep for a lot of people,
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It's deep. it's deep for a lot of people, but--
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It's deep for a lot of people, but-- >> joyce: i really feel
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But-- >> joyce: i really feel for people who don't
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>> joyce: i really feel for people who don't know the lord.
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For people who don't know the lord. they don't have that comfort
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Know the lord. they don't have that comfort that only he can give
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They don't have that comfort that only he can give and even the opportunity
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That only he can give and even the opportunity to be set free by him.
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And so, we really want all
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And so, we really want all of our viewers to know that
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And so, we really want all of our viewers to know that the place to start is to ask
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Of our viewers to know that the place to start is to ask jesus to come into your heart,
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The place to start is to ask jesus to come into your heart, and let him forgive your sins
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Jesus to come into your heart, and let him forgive your sins and make you right with him.
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And then, from there,
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And then, from there, it's just like one
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And then, from there, it's just like one thing at a time,
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It's just like one thing at a time, one thing at a time.
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Thing at a time, one thing at a time. >> ginger: what an important
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One thing at a time. >> ginger: what an important thing it is too, to realize that
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>> ginger: what an important thing it is too, to realize that when those people here on earth,
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Thing it is too, to realize that when those people here on earth, your mother, your father,
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When those people here on earth, your mother, your father, whoever was supposed
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Your mother, your father, whoever was supposed to protect you were
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Whoever was supposed to protect you were the ones that hurt you
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To protect you were the ones that hurt you more than anyone else,
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The ones that hurt you more than anyone else, to realize that even
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More than anyone else, to realize that even when that happens,
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To realize that even when that happens, that there is a god
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When that happens, that there is a god who's ready to pick you up,
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That there is a god who's ready to pick you up, wrap you in his arms and say,
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Who's ready to pick you up, wrap you in his arms and say, "i'm so sorry."
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Wrap you in his arms and say, "i'm so sorry." you know, "i hurt with
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"i'm so sorry." you know, "i hurt with you when that happened
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You know, "i hurt with you when that happened and i am here now loving you,
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You when that happened and i am here now loving you, to heal you."
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And i am here now loving you, to heal you." and so, many people who
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To heal you." and so, many people who don't know that at all,
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And so, many people who don't know that at all, just hearing that right now,
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Don't know that at all, just hearing that right now, i just pray that
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Just hearing that right now, i just pray that it's a revelation for them
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I just pray that it's a revelation for them to start saying, "how can
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It's a revelation for them to start saying, "how can i know more about this?
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How can i understand
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How can i understand this healing that you
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How can i understand this healing that you guys are talking about?"
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This healing that you guys are talking about?" because with you, nona,
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Guys are talking about?" because with you, nona, it seems like it would
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Because with you, nona, it seems like it would have been such a confusing
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It seems like it would have been such a confusing thing for the first time
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Have been such a confusing thing for the first time for your mother to act
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Thing for the first time for your mother to act and for him to go to jail.
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For your mother to act and for him to go to jail. and you think, "okay."
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And for him to go to jail. and you think, "okay." >> nona: "it's over.
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And you think, "okay." >> nona: "it's over. my mom's my hero."
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>> nona: "it's over. my mom's my hero." yeah, i remember
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My mom's my hero." yeah, i remember distinctly feeling like,
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Yeah, i remember distinctly feeling like, "my mom was my hero.
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Distinctly feeling like, "my mom was my hero. she did it.
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"my mom was my hero. she did it. she protected me."
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She did it. she protected me." and then what happened
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She protected me." and then what happened was she essentially took
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And then what happened was she essentially took me out on the back porch
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Was she essentially took me out on the back porch one day and was like,
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Me out on the back porch one day and was like, "hey," you know,
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One day and was like, "hey," you know, let's call him lee.
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"hey," you know, let's call him lee. "he's getting out of jail.
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Let's call him lee. "he's getting out of jail. what would you think
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"he's getting out of jail. what would you think about him coming back?"
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Like, she actually asked me
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Like, she actually asked me and of course i was like,
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Like, she actually asked me and of course i was like, "i don't want him to come back."
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And of course i was like, "i don't want him to come back." and she said, "well, this is
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"i don't want him to come back." and she said, "well, this is my house and i'm the adult
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And i make the decisions,
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And i make the decisions, so he's coming back."
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And i make the decisions, so he's coming back." but i thank god,
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So he's coming back." but i thank god, because even in that,
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But i thank god, because even in that, one of the revelations
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Because even in that, one of the revelations i got was god knew that
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One of the revelations i got was god knew that was going to happen, right.
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I got was god knew that was going to happen, right. like, god knew that was
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Was going to happen, right. like, god knew that was going to happen before
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Like, god knew that was going to happen before i was formed in the womb.
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Going to happen before i was formed in the womb. he already knew
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I was formed in the womb. he already knew the end at the beginning.
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He already knew the end at the beginning. but i thought that
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The end at the beginning. but i thought that i was by myself.
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But i thought that i was by myself. through it all,
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I was by myself. through it all, the peace of god was there.
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Through it all, the peace of god was there. i look back on it and i can see
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The peace of god was there. i look back on it and i can see how the peace of god carried
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I look back on it and i can see how the peace of god carried me through all of that.
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How the peace of god carried me through all of that. and so, you know, as you were
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Me through all of that. and so, you know, as you were talking about how god can take
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And so, you know, as you were talking about how god can take that and make it a testimony,
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Talking about how god can take that and make it a testimony, an example, that is my life.
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That and make it a testimony, an example, that is my life. i literally tell people,
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An example, that is my life. i literally tell people, i'm a statistically, improbable
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I literally tell people, i'm a statistically, improbable product of god's grace.
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I'm a statistically, improbable product of god's grace. that's all i am.
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Product of god's grace. that's all i am. i am proof that god can take
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That's all i am. i am proof that god can take the worst, most painful
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I am proof that god can take the worst, most painful experiences, and if you
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The worst, most painful experiences, and if you surrender it to him,
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Experiences, and if you surrender it to him, he can turn it around
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Surrender it to him, he can turn it around for your good and his glory.
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He can turn it around for your good and his glory. it doesn't feel good,
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For your good and his glory. it doesn't feel good, but he can make it good.
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It doesn't feel good, but he can make it good. >> ginger: yeah, does he only
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But he can make it good. >> ginger: yeah, does he only do that for people who
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>> ginger: yeah, does he only do that for people who stand on a stage and preach?
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Do that for people who stand on a stage and preach? >> joyce: no.
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Stand on a stage and preach? >> joyce: no. >> ginger: because that's
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>> joyce: no. >> ginger: because that's how it feels.
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>> ginger: because that's how it feels. "but i'm just little old me.
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How it feels. "but i'm just little old me. is god gonna do that
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"but i'm just little old me. is god gonna do that for me too?"
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>> joyce: of course, he will.
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>> joyce: of course, he will. the promises of god
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>> joyce: of course, he will. the promises of god are for "whosoever will."
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The promises of god are for "whosoever will." that means whosoever
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Are for "whosoever will." that means whosoever will believe the word.
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That means whosoever will believe the word. and, you know, a lot of--
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And i don't wanna make
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And i don't wanna make this sound too simple,
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And i don't wanna make this sound too simple, but i've been thinking about
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This sound too simple, but i've been thinking about this the last few days
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But i've been thinking about this the last few days with different things.
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This the last few days with different things. you know, a lot of getting
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With different things. you know, a lot of getting over something is making your
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You know, a lot of getting over something is making your mind up you can get over it.
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Over something is making your mind up you can get over it. >> erin: that's so true.
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Mind up you can get over it. >> erin: that's so true. >> joyce: so, i mean there's
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>> erin: that's so true. >> joyce: so, i mean there's a situation that i heard about
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>> joyce: so, i mean there's a situation that i heard about where a woman's husband
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A situation that i heard about where a woman's husband had been dead for two years.
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Where a woman's husband had been dead for two years. she lost her husband.
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Had been dead for two years. she lost her husband. and that's very painful.
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She lost her husband. and that's very painful. but she just keeps
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And that's very painful. but she just keeps getting worse and worse.
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But she just keeps getting worse and worse. she just like,
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Getting worse and worse. she just like, totally has no joy,
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She just like, totally has no joy, and she's so negative
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Totally has no joy, and she's so negative that people don't even
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And she's so negative that people don't even wanna be around her anymore.
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That people don't even wanna be around her anymore. but see, she could decide,
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Wanna be around her anymore. but see, she could decide, "well, god still has
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But see, she could decide, "well, god still has a purpose for me,
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"well, god still has a purpose for me, or i wouldn't be here.
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A purpose for me, or i wouldn't be here. and so, i'm gonna find what
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Or i wouldn't be here. and so, i'm gonna find what that purpose is and fulfill
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And so, i'm gonna find what that purpose is and fulfill it and use my experience with
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That purpose is and fulfill it and use my experience with god healing me to help other
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It and use my experience with god healing me to help other people who need healing."
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God healing me to help other people who need healing." we all have to have a purpose.
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People who need healing." we all have to have a purpose. i heard dick van dyke say that
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We all have to have a purpose. i heard dick van dyke say that there's two things that you
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I heard dick van dyke say that there's two things that you have to have: "you have to have
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There's two things that you have to have: "you have to have a purpose and somebody to love."
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Have to have: "you have to have a purpose and somebody to love." he didn't even say
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A purpose and somebody to love." he didn't even say somebody to love you.
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He didn't even say somebody to love you. he said somebody to love.
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Somebody to love you. he said somebody to love. and that's true.
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He said somebody to love. and that's true. we just need to--
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And that's true. we just need to-- sometimes, people focus
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We just need to-- sometimes, people focus so much on the problem
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Sometimes, people focus so much on the problem that they miss the answer.
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>> erin: i think that's
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>> erin: i think that's interesting what you're saying
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>> erin: i think that's interesting what you're saying that when you've been
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Interesting what you're saying that when you've been hurt so badly, and i have
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That when you've been hurt so badly, and i have not experienced the horrific
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Hurt so badly, and i have not experienced the horrific things that you all have,
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Not experienced the horrific things that you all have, but even in things
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Things that you all have, but even in things that i've walked through,
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But even in things that i've walked through, i would prefer that god
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That i've walked through, i would prefer that god would just force his healing
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I would prefer that god would just force his healing upon me and i'm just magically
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Would just force his healing upon me and i'm just magically all better and we're all healed
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And let's be good to go.
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And let's be good to go. >> nona: the fairy dust.
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And let's be good to go. >> nona: the fairy dust. >> erin: exactly.
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>> nona: the fairy dust. >> erin: exactly. but for you to say,
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>> erin: exactly. but for you to say, "no, i have to actually take
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But for you to say, "no, i have to actually take the first step to admit that
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"no, i have to actually take the first step to admit that i need healing and i have
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The first step to admit that i need healing and i have to be the one that takes
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I need healing and i have to be the one that takes the step to open the bible,"
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To be the one that takes the step to open the bible," that is really hard,
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The step to open the bible," that is really hard, and it feels vulnerable
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That is really hard, and it feels vulnerable and almost like
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And it feels vulnerable and almost like i'm giving up some power.
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And almost like i'm giving up some power. because if i hold on to whatever
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I'm giving up some power. because if i hold on to whatever has broken my heart,
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Because if i hold on to whatever has broken my heart, then to me, it feels like
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Has broken my heart, then to me, it feels like i'm holding power, when it's
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Then to me, it feels like i'm holding power, when it's probably the exact opposite.
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I'm holding power, when it's probably the exact opposite. i have zero control anyways.
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Probably the exact opposite. i have zero control anyways. but it feels scary
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I have zero control anyways. but it feels scary to take that step.
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But it feels scary to take that step. >> nona: you know, i wanna
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To take that step. >> nona: you know, i wanna pull on both threads that you
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>> nona: you know, i wanna pull on both threads that you just said, because as i think
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Pull on both threads that you just said, because as i think about what has helped me,
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Just said, because as i think about what has helped me, i think we don't talk enough
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About what has helped me, i think we don't talk enough about the importance
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I think we don't talk enough about the importance of forgiveness because
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About the importance of forgiveness because we tend to think that
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Of forgiveness because we tend to think that forgiveness is like letting our
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We tend to think that forgiveness is like letting our offender off the hook, right?
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Forgiveness is like letting our offender off the hook, right? so, you talk about this idea of,
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Offender off the hook, right? so, you talk about this idea of, "i just wanna hold on to it
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So, you talk about this idea of, "i just wanna hold on to it because then i have power."
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I've heard people say things
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I've heard people say things like, "well, i could just get
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I've heard people say things like, "well, i could just get over it if they apologized."
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Like, "well, i could just get over it if they apologized." like, "if they just would
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Over it if they apologized." like, "if they just would say they're sorry."
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Like, "if they just would say they're sorry." and god told me years ago
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Say they're sorry." and god told me years ago when i was stewing
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And god told me years ago when i was stewing in my bitterness about my past,
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When i was stewing in my bitterness about my past, god told me that there's
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In my bitterness about my past, god told me that there's no power in an apology.
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God told me that there's no power in an apology. going back to what
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No power in an apology. going back to what you said about decision,
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Going back to what you said about decision, it's like god said,
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You said about decision, it's like god said, "i've given you the power
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It's like god said, "i've given you the power because you have
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"i've given you the power because you have the power to forgive."
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Because you have the power to forgive." >> joyce: right.
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The power to forgive." >> joyce: right. >> nona: and forgiveness is not
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>> joyce: right. >> nona: and forgiveness is not letting someone off the hook.
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>> nona: and forgiveness is not letting someone off the hook. i've heard it said this way:
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Letting someone off the hook. i've heard it said this way: "it's letting someone
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I've heard it said this way: "it's letting someone off the hook, but then realizing
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"it's letting someone off the hook, but then realizing it was you the entire time,"
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Right?
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Right? like, i think our bitterness
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Right? like, i think our bitterness can become a source of control,
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Like, i think our bitterness can become a source of control, but the reality
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Can become a source of control, but the reality is it's corrosive.
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But the reality is it's corrosive. it ends up changing
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Is it's corrosive. it ends up changing our personality,
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It ends up changing our personality, the way that we show up.
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Our personality, the way that we show up. i realized too,
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The way that we show up. i realized too, that a healthy relationship
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I realized too, that a healthy relationship is two sides of the same coin.
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That a healthy relationship is two sides of the same coin. on the one side is forgiveness.
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Is two sides of the same coin. on the one side is forgiveness. like, "i have to forgive you
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On the one side is forgiveness. like, "i have to forgive you because you hurt me."
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Like, "i have to forgive you because you hurt me." and forgiveness frees my future
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Because you hurt me." and forgiveness frees my future from the pain of my past.
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And forgiveness frees my future from the pain of my past. on the other side
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From the pain of my past. on the other side of the coin is repentance.
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On the other side of the coin is repentance. and so, if someone has hurt
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Of the coin is repentance. and so, if someone has hurt you and they refuse to repent,
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And so, if someone has hurt you and they refuse to repent, "i can still forgive,
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You and they refuse to repent, "i can still forgive, but we may not be able
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"i can still forgive, but we may not be able to be in relationship,
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But we may not be able to be in relationship, because you're not safe."
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To be in relationship, because you're not safe." and so, i think we do have
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Because you're not safe." and so, i think we do have to recognize forgiveness
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And so, i think we do have to recognize forgiveness is a huge part of it, as well.
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To recognize forgiveness is a huge part of it, as well. >> ginger: it is.
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Is a huge part of it, as well. >> ginger: it is. it's so powerful to understand
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>> ginger: it is. it's so powerful to understand that there is not a one of us
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It's so powerful to understand that there is not a one of us who don't have a wounded soul.
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That there is not a one of us who don't have a wounded soul. >> erin: yeah.
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Who don't have a wounded soul. >> erin: yeah. >> ginger: but we look
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>> erin: yeah. >> ginger: but we look at other people
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>> ginger: but we look at other people and we say, "well, i haven't
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At other people and we say, "well, i haven't been through what joyce has,"
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And we say, "well, i haven't been through what joyce has," or "i haven't been through
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Been through what joyce has," or "i haven't been through what you guys have,
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Or "i haven't been through what you guys have, so i need to just live
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What you guys have, so i need to just live with where i am."
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So i need to just live with where i am." and god looks at us
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With where i am." and god looks at us and he knows the innermost
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And god looks at us and he knows the innermost needs in every wound of our
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And he knows the innermost needs in every wound of our soul and that we all need
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Needs in every wound of our soul and that we all need to forgive in some area.
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Soul and that we all need to forgive in some area. and he doesn't
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To forgive in some area. and he doesn't compare and say,
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And he doesn't compare and say, you know, "i'm gonna get
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Compare and say, you know, "i'm gonna get to this wound later because
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You know, "i'm gonna get to this wound later because it's not as bad as this one."
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To this wound later because it's not as bad as this one." he wants to take all of our
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It's not as bad as this one." he wants to take all of our needs and our wounds
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He wants to take all of our needs and our wounds and be the savior and the healer
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Needs and our wounds and be the savior and the healer that we need so desperately.
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And be the savior and the healer that we need so desperately. >> nona: [unintelligible]
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That we need so desperately. >> nona: [unintelligible] >> erin: i liked how
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>> nona: [unintelligible] >> erin: i liked how you opened it.
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>> erin: i liked how you opened it. sorry.
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You opened it. sorry. >> nona: go ahead.
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Sorry. >> nona: go ahead. >> erin: when you opened
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>> nona: go ahead. >> erin: when you opened the beginning of this
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>> erin: when you opened the beginning of this conversation with
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The beginning of this conversation with the nicks that we have,
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Conversation with the nicks that we have, because so many of those nicks,
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The nicks that we have, because so many of those nicks, we think, "well, it's not
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Because so many of those nicks, we think, "well, it's not that big of a deal.
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We think, "well, it's not that big of a deal. i'll just push it down
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That big of a deal. i'll just push it down and keep going."
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I'll just push it down and keep going." >> ginger: right.
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And keep going." >> ginger: right. >> erin: but you add all those
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>> ginger: right. >> erin: but you add all those nicks up and you can become
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>> erin: but you add all those nicks up and you can become a very hurt person, who--
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Nicks up and you can become a very hurt person, who-- yet i can't define why
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A very hurt person, who-- yet i can't define why i'm so hurt because
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Yet i can't define why i'm so hurt because i'm not paying attention
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I'm so hurt because i'm not paying attention to those scrapes along the way,
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I'm not paying attention to those scrapes along the way, and i'm not giving those to god
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To those scrapes along the way, and i'm not giving those to god as they are happening.
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And i'm not giving those to god as they are happening. i think that's--
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As they are happening. i think that's-- i'm really glad that
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I think that's-- i'm really glad that you said that.
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I'm really glad that you said that. i think it matters that
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You said that. i think it matters that we pay attention to that.
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I think it matters that we pay attention to that. >> joyce: well,
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We pay attention to that. >> joyce: well, i think forgiveness
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>> joyce: well, i think forgiveness is the beginning of all healing.
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I think forgiveness is the beginning of all healing. i don't think you can really--
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Is the beginning of all healing. i don't think you can really-- you can't really be healed
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I don't think you can really-- you can't really be healed until you forgive.
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You can't really be healed until you forgive. and you have to understand
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Until you forgive. and you have to understand that you're not doing your
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And you have to understand that you're not doing your enemy a favor by forgiving
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That you're not doing your enemy a favor by forgiving them because chances are
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Enemy a favor by forgiving them because chances are they may not even care.
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Them because chances are they may not even care. >> nona: they're not even
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They may not even care. >> nona: they're not even thinking about it.
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>> nona: they're not even thinking about it. it's so true.
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Thinking about it. it's so true. they've moved on.
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It's so true. they've moved on. >> joyce: yeah, they moved on.
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They've moved on. >> joyce: yeah, they moved on. and i know when my dad
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>> joyce: yeah, they moved on. and i know when my dad finally apologized to me--
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And i know when my dad finally apologized to me-- now, you wonder,
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Finally apologized to me-- now, you wonder, "how could anybody
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Now, you wonder, "how could anybody think like this?"
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"how could anybody think like this?" but he did.
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Think like this?" but he did. he said, "i had no idea
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But he did. he said, "i had no idea that what i was doing
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He said, "i had no idea that what i was doing was hurting you."
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That what i was doing was hurting you." >> nona: shew...man!
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Was hurting you." >> nona: shew...man! forgive them for they
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>> nona: shew...man! forgive them for they know not what they do.
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Forgive them for they know not what they do. >> joyce: he just had this
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Know not what they do. >> joyce: he just had this warped idea that all women
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>> joyce: he just had this warped idea that all women are gonna have sex
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Warped idea that all women are gonna have sex and so he was just keeping
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Are gonna have sex and so he was just keeping me from getting out of trouble,
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And so he was just keeping me from getting out of trouble, from getting in trouble,
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Me from getting out of trouble, from getting in trouble, which is weird to the max.
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From getting in trouble, which is weird to the max. but he knew it was
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Which is weird to the max. but he knew it was wrong because
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But he knew it was wrong because he told me i had to hide it.
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Wrong because he told me i had to hide it. so, he can't say he didn't
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He told me i had to hide it. so, he can't say he didn't know it was wrong.
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So, he can't say he didn't know it was wrong. but he probably didn't
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Know it was wrong. but he probably didn't realize what it was going
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But he probably didn't realize what it was going to do to me and how it was
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Realize what it was going to do to me and how it was going to affect my future.
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To do to me and how it was going to affect my future. and probably almost every
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Going to affect my future. and probably almost every message i preach or at least
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And probably almost every message i preach or at least every conference i do,
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Message i preach or at least every conference i do, i mention forgiveness
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Every conference i do, i mention forgiveness somewhere in there
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I mention forgiveness somewhere in there because you can't begin--
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Somewhere in there because you can't begin-- >> nona: oh, it's impossible.
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>> joyce: i mean, the bible
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>> joyce: i mean, the bible says, "your prayers won't get
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>> joyce: i mean, the bible says, "your prayers won't get answered if you don't forgive."
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Says, "your prayers won't get answered if you don't forgive." i mean, it's very plain.
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>> ginger: we get caught
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>> ginger: we get caught up in the excuses that
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>> ginger: we get caught up in the excuses that people give us too.
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Up in the excuses that people give us too. and that fuels our anger,
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People give us too. and that fuels our anger, you know.
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And that fuels our anger, you know. you almost feel like,
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You know. you almost feel like, "was that even an apology?
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You almost feel like, "was that even an apology? what am i supposed
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"was that even an apology? what am i supposed to do with that?"
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What am i supposed to do with that?" and then the bitterness
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To do with that?" and then the bitterness grows and grows.
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And then the bitterness grows and grows. that's why it is really god's
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Grows and grows. that's why it is really god's rescue just to say it doesn't
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That's why it is really god's rescue just to say it doesn't matter what they say, you know?
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Rescue just to say it doesn't matter what they say, you know? forgiveness is a gift for you.
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Matter what they say, you know? forgiveness is a gift for you. >> nona: i think what has
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Forgiveness is a gift for you. >> nona: i think what has really helped me again
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>> nona: i think what has really helped me again is just recognizing there's
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Really helped me again is just recognizing there's no power in an apology.
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Is just recognizing there's no power in an apology. like whether a person
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No power in an apology. like whether a person actually forms the words,
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Like whether a person actually forms the words, "i messed up.
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Actually forms the words, "i messed up. i'm sorry," i can still
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"i messed up. i'm sorry," i can still forgive and have peace.
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I'm sorry," i can still forgive and have peace. but if i don't forgive,
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Forgive and have peace. but if i don't forgive, i will live in a prison
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But if i don't forgive, i will live in a prison of bitterness.
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I will live in a prison of bitterness. and i think that
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Of bitterness. and i think that is the secret weapon.
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And i think that is the secret weapon. like, there is no 12-step plan.
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Is the secret weapon. like, there is no 12-step plan. it's like forgiveness
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Like, there is no 12-step plan. it's like forgiveness is literally the power
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It's like forgiveness is literally the power to free your future from
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Is literally the power to free your future from the pain of your past.
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To free your future from the pain of your past. and i will say, something
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The pain of your past. and i will say, something you said earlier,
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And i will say, something you said earlier, that i want to say to everyone
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You said earlier, that i want to say to everyone watching and listening,
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That i want to say to everyone watching and listening, is that there's no hierarchy
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Watching and listening, is that there's no hierarchy of oppression.
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Is that there's no hierarchy of oppression. sometimes we think,
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Of oppression. sometimes we think, "well, my thing isn't
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Sometimes we think, "well, my thing isn't as big as that."
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"well, my thing isn't as big as that." but what you don't
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As big as that." but what you don't realize is that thing
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But what you don't realize is that thing is still allowing a root
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Realize is that thing is still allowing a root of bitterness to take hold.
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Is still allowing a root of bitterness to take hold. it doesn't have to be big.
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Of bitterness to take hold. it doesn't have to be big. it could be as simple as,
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It doesn't have to be big. it could be as simple as, you know, your husband
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It could be as simple as, you know, your husband didn't do something
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You know, your husband didn't do something he said he was gonna do.
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Didn't do something he said he was gonna do. he forgot about it,
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He said he was gonna do. he forgot about it, but you remember.
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He forgot about it, but you remember. and so now you're stewing
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But you remember. and so now you're stewing on that thing, right?
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And so now you're stewing on that thing, right? and it's changing
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On that thing, right? and it's changing your personality.
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And it's changing your personality. and the fruit of the spirit
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Your personality. and the fruit of the spirit can't even grow in your
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And the fruit of the spirit can't even grow in your heart because bitterness
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Can't even grow in your heart because bitterness is choking it.
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>> announcer: from story time
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>> announcer: from story time to self-care,
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To self-care, or snack time
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Or snack time to scrolling all night.
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To scrolling all night. the way we close out one day
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The way we close out one day makes a difference
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Makes a difference on how we feel the next.
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On how we feel the next. set yourself up for spiritual
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Set yourself up for spiritual success by spending
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Success by spending a few moments with god.
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>> ginger: what's
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>> ginger: what's your nighttime
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Your nighttime routine like?
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Routine like? we all need
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We all need to make time for
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To make time for god in our day.
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God in our day. and there's no
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And there's no sweeter way to drift
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Sweeter way to drift into dreamland than
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Into dreamland than with the peace that
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With the peace that comes from spending
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Comes from spending time with our
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Time with our heavenly father.
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Heavenly father. that's why
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That's why joyce meyer wrote
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Joyce meyer wrote this devotional,
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This devotional, "ending your
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"ending your day right."
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Day right." >> announcer: "ending
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>> announcer: "ending your day right,"
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Your day right," is a 365-night
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Is a 365-night devotional.
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Devotional. each short page gives
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Each short page gives you something to think
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You something to think about as you wind down
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About as you wind down from your busy day.
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From your busy day. each entry is dated,
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Each entry is dated, so read the one marked
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So read the one marked for the specific day,
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For the specific day, or start at the beginning
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Or start at the beginning and read your way through.
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And read your way through. "ending your day right"
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"ending your day right" is available right now,
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Is available right now, for your gift
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For your gift of any amount.
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Of any amount. call us today at...
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Call us today at... or visit joycemeyer.org.
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Or visit joycemeyer.org. >> joyce: you're making
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>> joyce: you're making a mistake if you
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A mistake if you don't spend quiet
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Don't spend quiet time with god.
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Time with god. i said, you're making
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I said, you're making a mistake if you
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A mistake if you don't spend quiet
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Don't spend quiet time with god.
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Time with god. amen?
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Amen? >> [audience applauding]
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>> [audience applauding] >> joyce: you don't always
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>> joyce: you don't always have to be talking.
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Have to be talking. you don't always have
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You don't always have to be doing something.
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To be doing something. sometimes just to sit
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Sometimes just to sit there and be quiet
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There and be quiet is like healing
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Is like healing for your soul.
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For your soul. we live in the midst
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We live in the midst of such a noisy
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Of such a noisy world today.
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World today. always gotta have
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Always gotta have something going on.
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Something going on. tv's gotta be on,
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Tv's gotta be on, radio's gotta be on,
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Radio's gotta be on, gotta have music on...
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Gotta have music on... gotta have our
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Gotta have our phone there,
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Phone there, goodness sakes,
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Goodness sakes, somebody might
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Somebody might call us and the
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Call us and the world would end,
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World would end, if we weren't there
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If we weren't there to answer their call.
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To answer their call. >> announcer: small
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>> announcer: small steps can make a big
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Steps can make a big difference in our life,
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Difference in our life, from our attitude
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From our attitude to our relationships
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To our relationships and beyond.
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And beyond. >> ginger: spend a few
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>> ginger: spend a few minutes with our
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Minutes with our heavenly father each
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Heavenly father each night and see how
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Night and see how much your world
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Much your world can change.
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Can change. the "ending your day
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The "ending your day right" devotional
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Right" devotional is available for
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Is available for your gift of
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Your gift of any amount using
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Any amount using the information
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The information on your screen.
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On your screen. that gift, along
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That gift, along with the gifts from
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With the gifts from the partners of
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The partners of joyce meyer ministries,
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Joyce meyer ministries, will make a difference
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Will make a difference around the world by
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Around the world by helping to provide
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Helping to provide food and medical care
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Food and medical care to those in need.
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To those in need. >> announcer: before you turn
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>> announcer: before you turn off the light, a page a night
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Off the light, a page a night can help you sleep tight.
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Can help you sleep tight. "ending your day right"
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"ending your day right" is available for your gift
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Is available for your gift of any amount, right now.
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Of any amount, right now. call us today at...
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Call us today at... or visit joycemeyer.org.
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>> announcer: it's your
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>> announcer: it's your opportunity to unplug
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Opportunity to unplug and discover what
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And discover what it means to be fully his.
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It means to be fully his. >> joyce: and we need to know
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>> joyce: and we need to know who our real enemy is,
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Who our real enemy is, and by the way,
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And by the way, if you're really full-on
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If you're really full-on walking with god,
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Walking with god, you don't have to be afraid
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You don't have to be afraid of the devil at all.
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Of the devil at all. >> [audience cheering]
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>> [audience cheering] >> announcer: come together
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>> announcer: come together with thousands who are
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With thousands who are ready to worship,
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Ready to worship, learn, laugh,
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Learn, laugh, and lean in.
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And lean in. >> cece: god calls
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>> cece: god calls us to holiness
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Us to holiness because he loves us.
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Because he loves us. y'all, it's beautiful.
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Y'all, it's beautiful. >> announcer: and go home,
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>> announcer: and go home, equipped for all
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Equipped for all of life's battles.
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Of life's battles. >> lysa: he's not trying
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>> lysa: he's not trying to hide from us.
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To hide from us. he's waiting to be seen by us.
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He's waiting to be seen by us. >> announcer: join us for
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>> announcer: join us for the 2025 love life
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The 2025 love life women's conference.
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Women's conference. with joyce meyer,
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With joyce meyer, cece winans,
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Cece winans, lysa terkeurst,
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Lysa terkeurst, and pat barrett.
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Register today
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Register today for the 2025 love life
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For the 2025 love life women's conference.
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Women's conference. go to joycemeyer.org/wc25.
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>> ginger: real life.
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>> ginger: real life. real friends.
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Real friends. no pretense.
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No pretense. joyce meyer's
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Joyce meyer's talk it out podcast.
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Talk it out podcast. join joyce, erin cluley,
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Join joyce, erin cluley, and me, ginger stache,
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And me, ginger stache, along with some amazing friends,
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Along with some amazing friends, as we honestly share
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As we honestly share the hard stuff,
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The hard stuff, laugh through those
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Laugh through those unpredictable moments,
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Unpredictable moments, and learn to apply what
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And learn to apply what god says about it all.
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God says about it all. watch or listen to new
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Watch or listen to new episodes every other tuesday,
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Episodes every other tuesday, wherever you get your podcast.
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>> announcer: we hope you
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>> announcer: we hope you enjoyed today's program.
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Enjoyed today's program. we are so grateful
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We are so grateful to our joyce meyer
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To our joyce meyer ministries partners
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Ministries partners who make this
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Who make this and all we do possible,
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And all we do possible, including sharing
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Including sharing god's word
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God's word and offering help
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And offering help to people in need
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To people in need all over the world.
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Joyce Meyer - Life Beyond Hurt (Part 1)

August 5, 2025 | 29:29

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