Joyce Meyer - Less Is More This Christmas (Part 2)

December 24, 2025 | 29:29

Bible teacher Joyce Meyer shares timeless scriptural principles to show us how we can embrace the best God has for us each and every day of our lives.

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Joyce Meyer: Enjoying Everyday Life | Joyce Meyer - Less Is More This Christmas (Part 2) | December 24, 2025

>> joyce: you know,
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>> joyce: you know, you need to find what
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>> joyce: you know, you need to find what you really can enjoy.
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You need to find what you really can enjoy. >> holly: yes.
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You really can enjoy. >> holly: yes. >> joyce: and do that instead
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>> holly: yes. >> joyce: and do that instead of saying, "well, it has
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>> joyce: and do that instead of saying, "well, it has to be on this certain day,
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Of saying, "well, it has to be on this certain day, and it has to be at this
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To be on this certain day, and it has to be at this certain place.
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And it has to be at this certain place. and we have to eat turkey.
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Certain place. and we have to eat turkey. we can't--"
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And we have to eat turkey. we can't--" [chuckling]
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We can't--" [chuckling] or whatever.
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[chuckling] or whatever. and simplify it to where
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Or whatever. and simplify it to where you can actually enjoy it.
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>> joyce: i'm joyce meyer,
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>> joyce: i'm joyce meyer, and i believe that god can heal
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>> joyce: i'm joyce meyer, and i believe that god can heal you everywhere you hurt.
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>> ginger: we have the best
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>> ginger: we have the best group of women here
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>> ginger: we have the best group of women here that you could ever ask for,
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Group of women here that you could ever ask for, and as you join us--
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That you could ever ask for, and as you join us-- >> joyce: well, that's true.
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And as you join us-- >> joyce: well, that's true. >> [erin and holly laughing]
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>> joyce: well, that's true. >> [erin and holly laughing] >> ginger: exactly,
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>> [erin and holly laughing] >> ginger: exactly, what else could we need?
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>> ginger: exactly, what else could we need? we've got joyce, we've got
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What else could we need? we've got joyce, we've got erin and holly wagner with us.
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We've got joyce, we've got erin and holly wagner with us. >> erin: yay!
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Erin and holly wagner with us. >> erin: yay! >> ginger: it's so good
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>> erin: yay! >> ginger: it's so good to have you back.
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>> ginger: it's so good to have you back. >> ginger: we love having
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To have you back. >> ginger: we love having you with us.
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>> ginger: we love having you with us. >> holly: i love being here.
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You with us. >> holly: i love being here. it's like talking
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>> holly: i love being here. it's like talking to the girlfriends.
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It's like talking to the girlfriends. it's the best.
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To the girlfriends. it's the best. >> ginger: yes.
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It's the best. >> ginger: yes. well, this is christmas season.
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>> ginger: yes. well, this is christmas season. so, everybody's...
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Well, this is christmas season. so, everybody's... >> holly: didn't you feel like
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So, everybody's... >> holly: didn't you feel like it came fast to you?
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>> holly: didn't you feel like it came fast to you? >> ginger: hurrying around.
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It came fast to you? >> ginger: hurrying around. you know, it comes so quickly.
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>> ginger: hurrying around. you know, it comes so quickly. >> erin: it does, every year.
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You know, it comes so quickly. >> erin: it does, every year. >> ginger: it's like time flies.
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>> erin: it does, every year. >> ginger: it's like time flies. so, yeah, everybody's hustling
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>> ginger: it's like time flies. so, yeah, everybody's hustling and bustling and trying
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So, yeah, everybody's hustling and bustling and trying to do all the fun stuff
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And bustling and trying to do all the fun stuff and get all the work done.
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To do all the fun stuff and get all the work done. and so, we thought we'd talk
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And get all the work done. and so, we thought we'd talk a little bit about christmas
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And so, we thought we'd talk a little bit about christmas with maybe a different
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A little bit about christmas with maybe a different attitude and maybe not missing
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Out on some of the miracle
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Out on some of the miracle moments that we might
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Out on some of the miracle moments that we might glaze over as we're trying
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Moments that we might glaze over as we're trying to be too busy.
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Glaze over as we're trying to be too busy. so, how do you guys feel
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To be too busy. so, how do you guys feel about christmas?
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So, how do you guys feel about christmas? just honest answers:
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About christmas? just honest answers: "i love it.
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Just honest answers: "i love it. i feel a little overwhelmed.
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"i love it. i feel a little overwhelmed. i'm ambivalent."
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I feel a little overwhelmed. i'm ambivalent." what do you guys think?
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I'm ambivalent." what do you guys think? erin: i love it so much.
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What do you guys think? erin: i love it so much. next.
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Erin: i love it so much. next. >> [ginger laughing]
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>> holly: no, me too.
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>> holly: no, me too. i'm all in.
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>> holly: no, me too. i'm all in. >> ginger: yeah?
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I'm all in. >> ginger: yeah? >> holly: i'm all in.
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>> ginger: yeah? >> holly: i'm all in. i love it.
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>> holly: i'm all in. i love it. i love decorating the house.
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I love it. i love decorating the house. i love having lights
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I love decorating the house. i love having lights on the outside.
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I love having lights on the outside. you know, i put my lights on.
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On the outside. you know, i put my lights on. are you ready for this?
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You know, i put my lights on. are you ready for this? like november 1st.
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Are you ready for this? like november 1st. like it's--
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Like november 1st. like it's-- the house is decorated
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November 1st.
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November 1st. >> erin: no thanksgiving.
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November 1st. >> erin: no thanksgiving. you just go straight
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>> erin: no thanksgiving. you just go straight to christmas.
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You just go straight to christmas. >> holly: i go straight
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To christmas. >> holly: i go straight to christmas.
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>> holly: i go straight to christmas. >> erin: oh, i like it.
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To christmas. >> erin: oh, i like it. >> holly: because i love it.
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>> erin: oh, i like it. >> holly: because i love it. i love it so much.
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>> holly: because i love it. i love it so much. and so, i'm like,
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I love it so much. and so, i'm like, "why wouldn't i have it up for
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And so, i'm like, "why wouldn't i have it up for two months then?"
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"why wouldn't i have it up for two months then?" >> ginger: and that's more
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Two months then?" >> ginger: and that's more and more common.
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>> ginger: and that's more and more common. >> erin: it is.
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And more common. >> erin: it is. >> holly: it is?
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>> erin: it is. >> holly: it is? okay, then i don't feel so bad.
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>> holly: it is? okay, then i don't feel so bad. >> erin: do you do that?
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Okay, then i don't feel so bad. >> erin: do you do that? do you decorate for
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>> erin: do you do that? do you decorate for christmas early?
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>> joyce: well, i have it done.
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>> joyce: well, i have it done. >> [ladies laughing]
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>> joyce: well, i have it done. >> [ladies laughing] >> holly: do you want me to come
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>> [ladies laughing] >> holly: do you want me to come to your house november 1st,
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>> holly: do you want me to come to your house november 1st, joyce?
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>> joyce: i don't exactly get
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>> joyce: i don't exactly get on the roof, and hang lights.
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>> joyce: i don't exactly get on the roof, and hang lights. >> [ladies laughing]
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On the roof, and hang lights. >> [ladies laughing] >> erin: you're not hanging
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>> [ladies laughing] >> erin: you're not hanging up those lights up there
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>> erin: you're not hanging up those lights up there on the top?
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Up those lights up there on the top? >> joyce: i love christmas.
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On the top? >> joyce: i love christmas. i think that--
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>> joyce: i love christmas. i think that-- i think there's a huge
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I think that-- i think there's a huge problem though with
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I think there's a huge problem though with people forgetting what
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Problem though with people forgetting what christmas is really about.
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People forgetting what christmas is really about. and it just gets
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Christmas is really about. and it just gets so commercialized.
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And it just gets so commercialized. and that's what i would
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So commercialized. and that's what i would like to see people slow down
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And that's what i would like to see people slow down enough to really pay
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Like to see people slow down enough to really pay attention to the savior
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Enough to really pay attention to the savior that is born then,
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Attention to the savior that is born then, or was born then.
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That is born then, or was born then. >> [ladies agreeing]
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>> erin: i had that thought
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>> erin: i had that thought last year because i've got
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>> erin: i had that thought last year because i've got little kids and so they have
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Last year because i've got little kids and so they have so many activities and there's
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Little kids and so they have so many activities and there's just all this fun stuff
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So many activities and there's just all this fun stuff to do with them.
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Just all this fun stuff to do with them. but we got to the point
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I thought,
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I thought, "i bet that if i asked
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I thought, "i bet that if i asked them why they're so excited
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"i bet that if i asked them why they're so excited about christmas,
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Them why they're so excited about christmas, their first answer is not
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About christmas, their first answer is not going to be jesus."
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Their first answer is not going to be jesus." >> joyce: it's gonna
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Going to be jesus." >> joyce: it's gonna be santa claus.
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>> joyce: it's gonna be santa claus. >> erin: yeah, it is.
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Be santa claus. >> erin: yeah, it is. and so, just made me think,
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>> erin: yeah, it is. and so, just made me think, what am i teaching them by how
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And so, just made me think, what am i teaching them by how i'm acting during this season?
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What am i teaching them by how i'm acting during this season? so, it's an important
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I'm acting during this season? so, it's an important conversation to have.
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So, it's an important conversation to have. >> joyce: it's good.
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Conversation to have. >> joyce: it's good. it's good.
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>> joyce: it's good. it's good. >> ginger: i remember when our
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It's good. >> ginger: i remember when our grandson went to preschool
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>> ginger: i remember when our grandson went to preschool for the first time and actually
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Grandson went to preschool for the first time and actually heard about santa claus.
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For the first time and actually heard about santa claus. he didn't know what santa was.
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Heard about santa claus. he didn't know what santa was. and it's not because
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He didn't know what santa was. and it's not because we try to avoid it
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And it's not because we try to avoid it or anything like that.
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We try to avoid it or anything like that. he was just little,
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Or anything like that. he was just little, and it hadn't been
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He was just little, and it hadn't been a big deal at their house.
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And then he was like amazed
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And then he was like amazed like, "how could i not
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Like, "how could i not know about this gift-giving
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Know about this gift-giving man for so long?"
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Man for so long?" it just changed
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It just changed everything for him.
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Everything for him. >> erin: that's so cute.
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>> erin: that's so cute. >> ginger: but it is so
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>> ginger: but it is so different for families to try
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Different for families to try to figure out how to balance
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To figure out how to balance all of that, how to have
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All of that, how to have a great time and make it
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The focus where it needs to be.
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And sometimes it can
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And sometimes it can be stressful, especially
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And sometimes it can be stressful, especially if maybe things are different
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Be stressful, especially if maybe things are different for you this year.
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If maybe things are different for you this year. like if you've had a loss
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For you this year. like if you've had a loss in your family or you're going
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Like if you've had a loss in your family or you're going through some difficulties
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In your family or you're going through some difficulties or if your family is gonna
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Through some difficulties or if your family is gonna get together and you're
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Or if your family is gonna get together and you're not looking forward to it.
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Get together and you're not looking forward to it. >> joyce: [laughing]
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Not looking forward to it. >> joyce: [laughing] oh, that wouldn't happen.
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>> joyce: [laughing] oh, that wouldn't happen. >> [ladies laughing]
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Oh, that wouldn't happen. >> [ladies laughing] >> ginger: how do you
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>> [ladies laughing] >> ginger: how do you encourage people then to set
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>> ginger: how do you encourage people then to set some of those boundaries with
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Encourage people then to set some of those boundaries with family gatherings that they're
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Some of those boundaries with family gatherings that they're concerned about things that
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Family gatherings that they're concerned about things that they're worried might happen,
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Concerned about things that they're worried might happen, the arguments that
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They're worried might happen, the arguments that might happen, the things
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The arguments that might happen, the things that so-and-so might say.
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Might happen, the things that so-and-so might say. any advice for people?
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That so-and-so might say. any advice for people? because, you know,
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Any advice for people? because, you know, people are getting together.
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Because, you know, people are getting together. >> joyce: well, you can stay
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People are getting together. >> joyce: well, you can stay out of arguments if you just
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>> joyce: well, you can stay out of arguments if you just learn how to be quiet.
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Out of arguments if you just learn how to be quiet. >> ginger: oh, yeah.
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Learn how to be quiet. >> ginger: oh, yeah. >> joyce: there's that thing.
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>> ginger: oh, yeah. >> joyce: there's that thing. >> [ginger laughing]
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>> joyce: there's that thing. >> [ginger laughing] >> erin: it's hard though.
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>> [ginger laughing] >> erin: it's hard though. >> holly: yeah, that--
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>> erin: it's hard though. >> holly: yeah, that-- i already said that one
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>> holly: yeah, that-- i already said that one of the first books
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I already said that one of the first books i read of joyce's was
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Of the first books i read of joyce's was the, my big fat mouth or--
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I read of joyce's was the, my big fat mouth or-- >> joyce: "me and my big mouth!"
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The, my big fat mouth or-- >> joyce: "me and my big mouth!" >> holly: "me and my big mouth."
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>> joyce: "me and my big mouth!" >> holly: "me and my big mouth." i added the "fat."
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>> holly: "me and my big mouth." i added the "fat." but anyway, "my big mouth"
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I added the "fat." but anyway, "my big mouth" and a very convicting.
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But anyway, "my big mouth" and a very convicting. so, that's the first thing
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And a very convicting. so, that's the first thing that gets me in trouble
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So, that's the first thing that gets me in trouble is my big mouth.
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That gets me in trouble is my big mouth. [laughing]
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Is my big mouth. [laughing] >> ginger: me too!
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[laughing] >> ginger: me too! [laughing]
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>> joyce: honestly, if you just,
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>> joyce: honestly, if you just, especially if you're with
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>> joyce: honestly, if you just, especially if you're with people that are a little
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Especially if you're with people that are a little more disruptive, you know,
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People that are a little more disruptive, you know, they--you can tell this is not
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More disruptive, you know, they--you can tell this is not gonna go in a good direction,
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They--you can tell this is not gonna go in a good direction, you can just be quiet.
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Gonna go in a good direction, you can just be quiet. >> holly: eat your mashed
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You can just be quiet. >> holly: eat your mashed potatoes and be quiet.
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>> holly: eat your mashed potatoes and be quiet. >> joyce: eat your potatoes
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Potatoes and be quiet. >> joyce: eat your potatoes and be quiet.
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>> joyce: eat your potatoes and be quiet. >> erin: do you address
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And be quiet. >> erin: do you address it before you start?
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>> erin: do you address it before you start? like if they're coming
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It before you start? like if they're coming to your home, do--
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Like if they're coming to your home, do-- >> joyce: do you just say,
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To your home, do-- >> joyce: do you just say, "i'm gonna be quiet"?
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>> joyce: do you just say, "i'm gonna be quiet"? [laughing]
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"i'm gonna be quiet"? [laughing] >> erin: yeah,
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[laughing] >> erin: yeah, "this will be a silent
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>> erin: yeah, "this will be a silent meal tonight."
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"this will be a silent meal tonight." no, do you address like
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Meal tonight." no, do you address like the elephant in the room like,
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No, do you address like the elephant in the room like, "tonight we're not gonna
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Talk about these
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Talk about these certain topics because
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Talk about these certain topics because they don't go well"?
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Certain topics because they don't go well"? or is it like is it worth
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They don't go well"? or is it like is it worth bringing up and setting
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Or is it like is it worth bringing up and setting those boundaries up front
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Bringing up and setting those boundaries up front to the family?
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Those boundaries up front to the family? >> joyce: well, i think if--
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To the family? >> joyce: well, i think if-- say if you have people there
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>> joyce: well, i think if-- say if you have people there that almost always argue
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Say if you have people there that almost always argue about politics, you know,
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That almost always argue about politics, you know, then i don't think
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About politics, you know, then i don't think it's inappropriate
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Then i don't think it's inappropriate if it's your home to say,
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It's inappropriate if it's your home to say, "tonight politics
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If it's your home to say, "tonight politics are off the table.
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"tonight politics are off the table. we're just not gonna talk
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Are off the table. we're just not gonna talk about them because it always
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We're just not gonna talk about them because it always ends up in an argument.
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About them because it always ends up in an argument. and this--
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Ends up in an argument. and this-- we're celebrating
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And this-- we're celebrating jesus's birthday.
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We're celebrating jesus's birthday. we don't wanna do it by having
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Jesus's birthday. we don't wanna do it by having an argument."
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We don't wanna do it by having an argument." >> holly: yeah.
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An argument." >> holly: yeah. and i think, you know,
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>> holly: yeah. and i think, you know, sometimes we have this
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And i think, you know, sometimes we have this sentimental picture in our head
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Sometimes we have this sentimental picture in our head of what christmas should be.
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Sentimental picture in our head of what christmas should be. so maybe we've watched
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Of what christmas should be. so maybe we've watched the movies a lot.
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So maybe we've watched the movies a lot. and so, we have this
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The movies a lot. and so, we have this sentimental picture
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And so, we have this sentimental picture and then we have to sit down
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Sentimental picture and then we have to sit down at the table of our reality.
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And then we have to sit down at the table of our reality. [chucking]
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At the table of our reality. [chucking] >> erin: yeah.
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[chucking] >> erin: yeah. >> holly: right?
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>> erin: yeah. >> holly: right? and it doesn't look like
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>> holly: right? and it doesn't look like that movie there's no,
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And it doesn't look like that movie there's no, you know, peace on earth
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That movie there's no, you know, peace on earth happening.
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You know, peace on earth happening. [laughing]
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Happening. [laughing] >> ginger: [laughing]
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[laughing] >> ginger: [laughing] there's no peace.
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>> ginger: [laughing] there's no peace. >> holly: there's no peace
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There's no peace. >> holly: there's no peace happening.
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>> holly: there's no peace happening. and so, i think sometimes
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Happening. and so, i think sometimes we have to just be honest
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And so, i think sometimes we have to just be honest that about the reality
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We have to just be honest that about the reality of the people that we are
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That about the reality of the people that we are at the table with
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Of the people that we are at the table with and do life with.
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At the table with and do life with. and to your point,
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And do life with. and to your point, you can just be quiet and--
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And to your point, you can just be quiet and-- but then don't you think
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You can just be quiet and-- but then don't you think it's ok, if there is every
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But then don't you think it's ok, if there is every time you go to this
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It's ok, if there is every time you go to this person's gathering,
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Time you go to this person's gathering, it always ends up terrible,
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Person's gathering, it always ends up terrible, you don't have to go.
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It always ends up terrible, you don't have to go. >> joyce: right.
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You don't have to go. >> joyce: right. >> holly: like you can just say,
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>> joyce: right. >> holly: like you can just say, "this year we're
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>> holly: like you can just say, "this year we're not doing that."
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"this year we're not doing that." >> [ladies agreeing]
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Not doing that." >> [ladies agreeing] >> holly: "our family's gonna
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>> [ladies agreeing] >> holly: "our family's gonna have something at our house.
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>> holly: "our family's gonna have something at our house. we're not doing it.
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Have something at our house. we're not doing it. 'cause every time we go,
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We're not doing it. 'cause every time we go, i come back feeling horrible,"
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'cause every time we go, i come back feeling horrible," or whatever.
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I come back feeling horrible," or whatever. so, don't you think you
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Or whatever. so, don't you think you have the right to just
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So, don't you think you have the right to just say we don't have to go?
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Have the right to just say we don't have to go? >> ginger: absolutely.
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Say we don't have to go? >> ginger: absolutely. it's also important
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>> ginger: absolutely. it's also important to realize that your christmas
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It's also important to realize that your christmas doesn't have to be perfect.
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To realize that your christmas doesn't have to be perfect. that if everything doesn't
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Doesn't have to be perfect. that if everything doesn't go exactly the way you want it,
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That if everything doesn't go exactly the way you want it, if everyone doesn't get
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Go exactly the way you want it, if everyone doesn't get along perfectly well,
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If everyone doesn't get along perfectly well, jesus is still the point
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Along perfectly well, jesus is still the point of the celebration.
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Jesus is still the point of the celebration. he is still coming
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Of the celebration. he is still coming to change all of our lives.
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He is still coming to change all of our lives. and so, christmas does not have
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To change all of our lives. and so, christmas does not have to be perfect for that to work.
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And so, christmas does not have to be perfect for that to work. and i think for us to let
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To be perfect for that to work. and i think for us to let go of some of our expectations,
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And i think for us to let go of some of our expectations, it helps a lot.
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Go of some of our expectations, it helps a lot. >> erin: we had a really hard
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It helps a lot. >> erin: we had a really hard christmas last year because
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>> erin: we had a really hard christmas last year because mike's stepdad had just passed
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Christmas last year because mike's stepdad had just passed away and then no family
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Mike's stepdad had just passed away and then no family was in town.
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Away and then no family was in town. so, it ended up just being
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Was in town. so, it ended up just being mike and i and the two kids.
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So, it ended up just being mike and i and the two kids. and that's never
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Mike and i and the two kids. and that's never happened before.
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And that's never happened before. so, the kids were
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Happened before. so, the kids were distraught that they had
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So, the kids were distraught that they had no grandparents with them.
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Distraught that they had no grandparents with them. and it was really hard for mike.
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No grandparents with them. and it was really hard for mike. there was a lot
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And it was really hard for mike. there was a lot of grief that weekend.
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There was a lot of grief that weekend. so, he was angry and it just,
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Of grief that weekend. so, he was angry and it just, it was not our best christmas.
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So, he was angry and it just, it was not our best christmas. it did not look like
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It was not our best christmas. it did not look like the hallmark movie
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It did not look like the hallmark movie i had just watched.
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The hallmark movie i had just watched. and so, i remember crying
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I had just watched. and so, i remember crying and thinking, "this is not
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And so, i remember crying and thinking, "this is not what it's supposed to be."
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And thinking, "this is not what it's supposed to be." but as i look back on that year,
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What it's supposed to be." but as i look back on that year, there was also something really
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But as i look back on that year, there was also something really sweet about how difficult
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There was also something really sweet about how difficult it was because the four
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Sweet about how difficult it was because the four of us were together.
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It was because the four of us were together. it was still about jesus.
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Of us were together. it was still about jesus. we were able to talk
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It was still about jesus. we were able to talk to the kids more connected
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We were able to talk to the kids more connected about what we were celebrating.
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To the kids more connected about what we were celebrating. and we watched movies
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About what we were celebrating. and we watched movies all day in our pajamas.
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And we watched movies all day in our pajamas. and we made memories
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All day in our pajamas. and we made memories with what we were given.
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And we made memories with what we were given. and it wasn't perfect,
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With what we were given. and it wasn't perfect, and it was painful.
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And it wasn't perfect, and it was painful. but i still don't think
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And it was painful. but i still don't think i would have traded
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But i still don't think i would have traded it because it was really
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I would have traded it because it was really special at the same time.
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It because it was really special at the same time. so, i love, i think
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Special at the same time. so, i love, i think that's really important,
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So, i love, i think that's really important, it may not look the way
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That's really important, it may not look the way we want it to.
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It may not look the way we want it to. but that doesn't mean it's not--
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We want it to. but that doesn't mean it's not-- that it can't be special.
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>> joyce: something
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>> joyce: something that we started doing
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>> joyce: something that we started doing about five years ago
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That we started doing about five years ago is we have a christmas;
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About five years ago is we have a christmas; one evening, one meal with
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Is we have a christmas; one evening, one meal with just our grown children.
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One evening, one meal with just our grown children. >> erin: that's special.
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Just our grown children. >> erin: that's special. >> joyce: no grandchildren.
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>> erin: that's special. >> joyce: no grandchildren. just them.
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>> joyce: no grandchildren. just them. because the day that
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All the kids open presents,
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All the kids open presents, it's just like total chaos.
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All the kids open presents, it's just like total chaos. >> [ladies laughing]
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It's just like total chaos. >> [ladies laughing] >> joyce: and so, my kids
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>> [ladies laughing] >> joyce: and so, my kids realized they didn't even
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>> joyce: and so, my kids realized they didn't even get to see dave and i open
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Realized they didn't even get to see dave and i open our gifts that they had
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Get to see dave and i open our gifts that they had got us because there
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Our gifts that they had got us because there was just so much hoopla
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Got us because there was just so much hoopla going on in the room.
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Was just so much hoopla going on in the room. and the same way with them,
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Going on in the room. and the same way with them, you know.
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And the same way with them, you know. and so, we started having just
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You know. and so, we started having just that one evening with just them.
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And so, we started having just that one evening with just them. and then the next day
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That one evening with just them. and then the next day we do the full family thing.
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And then the next day we do the full family thing. >> erin: oh, that's special.
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We do the full family thing. >> erin: oh, that's special. >> joyce: you know,
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>> erin: oh, that's special. >> joyce: you know, you need to find what
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>> joyce: you know, you need to find what you really can enjoy.
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You need to find what you really can enjoy. >> holly: yes.
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You really can enjoy. >> holly: yes. >> joyce: and do that instead
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>> holly: yes. >> joyce: and do that instead of saying, "well, it has
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>> joyce: and do that instead of saying, "well, it has to be on this certain day,
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Of saying, "well, it has to be on this certain day, and it has to be at this
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To be on this certain day, and it has to be at this certain place.
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And it has to be at this certain place. and we have to eat turkey.
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Certain place. and we have to eat turkey. we can't--"
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And we have to eat turkey. we can't--" [chuckling]
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We can't--" [chuckling] or whatever.
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[chuckling] or whatever. and simplify it to where
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Or whatever. and simplify it to where you can actually enjoy it.
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And simplify it to where you can actually enjoy it. >> holly: and then like
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You can actually enjoy it. >> holly: and then like seasons change.
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>> holly: and then like seasons change. >> joyce: right.
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Seasons change. >> joyce: right. >> holly: so, what you
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>> joyce: right. >> holly: so, what you just said, you do things
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>> holly: so, what you just said, you do things with your adult children
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Just said, you do things with your adult children that 20 years ago
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With your adult children that 20 years ago you weren't doing.
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That 20 years ago you weren't doing. it's different.
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You weren't doing. it's different. so just like being flexible
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It's different. so just like being flexible with the changing seasons.
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So just like being flexible with the changing seasons. with kids and family
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With the changing seasons. with kids and family and as opposed to sticking
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With kids and family and as opposed to sticking to a, "what always was,
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And as opposed to sticking to a, "what always was, we have to keep doing that."
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To a, "what always was, we have to keep doing that." so, what do you do?
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We have to keep doing that." so, what do you do? what do you do to--
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So, what do you do? what do you do to-- you guys do to keep,
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What do you do to-- you guys do to keep, since we're talking about
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You guys do to keep, since we're talking about keeping jesus the center of it,
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Since we're talking about keeping jesus the center of it, so what do you do?
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Keeping jesus the center of it, so what do you do? what are some practical
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So what do you do? what are some practical things that you do?
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What are some practical things that you do? >> ginger: i've been so grateful
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Things that you do? >> ginger: i've been so grateful for things that our family
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>> ginger: i've been so grateful for things that our family set up that we've been
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For things that our family set up that we've been able to continue to do.
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Set up that we've been able to continue to do. some of the things like
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Able to continue to do. some of the things like my husband's family,
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Some of the things like my husband's family, they always would have
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My husband's family, they always would have a birthday cake for jesus.
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They always would have a birthday cake for jesus. and it would be just
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A birthday cake for jesus. and it would be just for the little kids, you know.
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And it would be just for the little kids, you know. and so, they'd light
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For the little kids, you know. and so, they'd light the candles, and it gave a time
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And so, they'd light the candles, and it gave a time to tell the story of why
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The candles, and it gave a time to tell the story of why we're having christmas,
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To tell the story of why we're having christmas, not just about all the gifts.
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We're having christmas, not just about all the gifts. >> holly: that's good.
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Not just about all the gifts. >> holly: that's good. >> ginger: and then
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>> holly: that's good. >> ginger: and then we would often go to--
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>> ginger: and then we would often go to-- >> holly: when would
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We would often go to-- >> holly: when would you do that?
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>> holly: when would you do that? when would you do
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You do that? when would you do the birthday cake thing?
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When would you do the birthday cake thing? >> ginger: it would usually
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The birthday cake thing? >> ginger: it would usually be like early christmas eve,
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>> ginger: it would usually be like early christmas eve, not yet, not at night,
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Be like early christmas eve, not yet, not at night, but in the day where
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Not yet, not at night, but in the day where all the kids are awake
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But in the day where all the kids are awake and not grouchy.
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All the kids are awake and not grouchy. and they haven't opened
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And not grouchy. and they haven't opened so many presents;
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And they haven't opened so many presents; they just wanna play with
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So many presents; they just wanna play with the toys and all those things.
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They just wanna play with the toys and all those things. but it would just kind
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The toys and all those things. but it would just kind of focus things.
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But it would just kind of focus things. and, or another thing is making
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Of focus things. and, or another thing is making sure that we're helping
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And, or another thing is making sure that we're helping other people in some way.
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Sure that we're helping other people in some way. so, going somewhere
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Other people in some way. so, going somewhere like to a nursing home,
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So, going somewhere like to a nursing home, or to shut-ins, in the church,
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Like to a nursing home, or to shut-ins, in the church, and singing to them
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Or to shut-ins, in the church, and singing to them and spending time with them
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And singing to them and spending time with them or finding a family that
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And spending time with them or finding a family that we could do something special
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Or finding a family that we could do something special for and make sure that the kids
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We could do something special for and make sure that the kids are aware that they're a part
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For and make sure that the kids are aware that they're a part of making a difference
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Are aware that they're a part of making a difference in someone else's life.
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Of making a difference in someone else's life. so just pointing everything
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In someone else's life. so just pointing everything back to jesus where you can.
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So just pointing everything back to jesus where you can. but not forgetting
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Back to jesus where you can. but not forgetting all the gifts.
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But not forgetting all the gifts. it's not like you have
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All the gifts. it's not like you have to be so focused that you
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It's not like you have to be so focused that you can't have any of the frivolity.
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To be so focused that you can't have any of the frivolity. i mean, that's why
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Can't have any of the frivolity. i mean, that's why god set up feasts.
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I mean, that's why god set up feasts. he wants people to celebrate.
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God set up feasts. he wants people to celebrate. so, finding that balance.
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He wants people to celebrate. so, finding that balance. >> joyce: he really
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So, finding that balance. >> joyce: he really liked parties.
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>> joyce: he really liked parties. >> ginger: yeah.
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Liked parties. >> ginger: yeah. >> joyce: he was always
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>> ginger: yeah. >> joyce: he was always having a party and a feast.
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>> joyce: he was always having a party and a feast. and they were not optional,
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Having a party and a feast. and they were not optional, they were commanded
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And they were not optional, they were commanded and they were days long.
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They were commanded and they were days long. >> erin: i love it.
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And they were days long. >> erin: i love it. >> joyce: days.
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>> erin: i love it. >> joyce: days. >> ginger: what we started
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>> joyce: days. >> ginger: what we started doing in our family is having
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>> ginger: what we started doing in our family is having what we would call "a king
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Doing in our family is having what we would call "a king or queen of christmas."
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What we would call "a king or queen of christmas." and so, we rotated
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Or queen of christmas." and so, we rotated through all the adult--
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And so, we rotated through all the adult-- the adult children and let
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Through all the adult-- the adult children and let them decide this christmas
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The adult children and let them decide this christmas so that that way it alternated,
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Them decide this christmas so that that way it alternated, it wasn't always the same.
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So that that way it alternated, it wasn't always the same. so, like one person said,
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It wasn't always the same. so, like one person said, "we're gonna do all
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So, like one person said, "we're gonna do all handmade gifts."
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"we're gonna do all handmade gifts." and everybody made something.
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Handmade gifts." and everybody made something. and then another person said,
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And everybody made something. and then another person said, you know,
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And then another person said, you know, "here's our limit,
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You know, "here's our limit, so we're not spending too much."
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"here's our limit, so we're not spending too much." and then another time it's like,
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So we're not spending too much." and then another time it's like, "we're not gonna do gifts.
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And then another time it's like, "we're not gonna do gifts. we're gonna play games
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"we're not gonna do gifts. we're gonna play games and we're gonna do these
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We're gonna play games and we're gonna do these other things instead."
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Because everybody
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Because everybody something different
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Because everybody something different is important to their heart.
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Something different is important to their heart. and it gave it a chance.
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Is important to their heart. and it gave it a chance. what was really nice is...
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And it gave it a chance. what was really nice is... >> holly: great idea.
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What was really nice is... >> holly: great idea. >> ginger: christmas was
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>> holly: great idea. >> ginger: christmas was different every year
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>> ginger: christmas was different every year and we loved it.
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Different every year and we loved it. >> holly: that's a great idea.
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And we loved it. >> holly: that's a great idea. >> joyce: well, and a lot
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>> holly: that's a great idea. >> joyce: well, and a lot of families have done where
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They've gotten to the point
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They've gotten to the point where there's so many
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They've gotten to the point where there's so many people in the family that
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Where there's so many people in the family that they just draw names.
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People in the family that they just draw names. you know, you get one
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They just draw names. you know, you get one person a gift.
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You know, you get one person a gift. you know, i mean,
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Person a gift. you know, i mean, it's silly to go in debt trying
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You know, i mean, it's silly to go in debt trying to celebrate jesus' birthday.
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It's silly to go in debt trying to celebrate jesus' birthday. [laughing]
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To celebrate jesus' birthday. [laughing] >> erin: yeah, it is.
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[laughing] >> erin: yeah, it is. >> holly: remember,
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>> erin: yeah, it is. >> holly: remember, it's his birthday.
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>> holly: remember, it's his birthday. he's supposed to get
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It's his birthday. he's supposed to get the presents.
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>> ginger: what things
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>> ginger: what things have you done to keep
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Have you done to keep jesus at the center?
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Jesus at the center? >> holly: like one of the things
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>> holly: like one of the things for us is that like
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For us is that like the candlelight service, right?
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The candlelight service, right? that there's a simplicity
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That there's a simplicity to that service.
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To that service. i love that one.
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I love that one. even when we were
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Even when we were pastoring and that would
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You know, in a way.
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But there's something about
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But there's something about the simplicity of that service.
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But there's something about the simplicity of that service. and so, i just think that when
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The simplicity of that service. and so, i just think that when my kids were really little,
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And so, i just think that when my kids were really little, like they--that helped paint
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My kids were really little, like they--that helped paint the picture of christmas,
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Like they--that helped paint the picture of christmas, it just.
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The picture of christmas, it just. and then, this is like
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It just. and then, this is like a little--
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And then, this is like a little-- another little random thing.
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A little-- another little random thing. but i would get a nativity scene
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Another little random thing. but i would get a nativity scene that was kind of durable.
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But i would get a nativity scene that was kind of durable. i mean, i had the pretty
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That was kind of durable. i mean, i had the pretty ones that you put up,
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I mean, i had the pretty ones that you put up, but then there's
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Ones that you put up, but then there's the durable and i put
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But then there's the durable and i put it on a table like this.
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The durable and i put it on a table like this. and then when my kids
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It on a table like this. and then when my kids were little, they would play
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And then when my kids were little, they would play with the little figures
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Were little, they would play with the little figures in there.
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With the little figures in there. and we would talk about,
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In there. and we would talk about, you know, each all the little
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And we would talk about, you know, each all the little characters in that nativity
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You know, each all the little characters in that nativity because they were small enough.
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So, i just think there's things
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So, i just think there's things you do with different ages.
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So, i just think there's things you do with different ages. you know, but anyway, just--
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You do with different ages. you know, but anyway, just-- and then we also do what
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You know, but anyway, just-- and then we also do what you just said.
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And then we also do what you just said. we would find a family that
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You just said. we would find a family that we would all go shop for.
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We would find a family that we would all go shop for. so, we would go shopping
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We would all go shop for. so, we would go shopping and remind them that this is--
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So, we would go shopping and remind them that this is-- this is what it's actually
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And remind them that this is-- this is what it's actually all about.
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This is what it's actually all about. >> joyce: one of the things
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All about. >> joyce: one of the things we do when we have our adult
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>> joyce: one of the things we do when we have our adult children is before anybody
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We do when we have our adult children is before anybody is allowed to open their gift,
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Children is before anybody is allowed to open their gift, they have to talk about things
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Is allowed to open their gift, they have to talk about things they're already thankful
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They have to talk about things they're already thankful for that god's done for them.
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They're already thankful for that god's done for them. >> ginger: that's good.
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For that god's done for them. >> ginger: that's good. that's a great reminder.
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>> ginger: that's good. that's a great reminder. erin, you brought up the fact
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That's a great reminder. erin, you brought up the fact that your christmas was
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Erin, you brought up the fact that your christmas was so different last year
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After you had lost mark.
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After you had lost mark. what are some things that
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After you had lost mark. what are some things that you would encourage
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What are some things that you would encourage people with to get through
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You would encourage people with to get through the hard christmases with,
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People with to get through the hard christmases with, with grief or with a change,
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The hard christmases with, with grief or with a change, maybe a new diagnosis
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With grief or with a change, maybe a new diagnosis or who knows what?
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Maybe a new diagnosis or who knows what? >> erin: sure.
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Or who knows what? >> erin: sure. >> ginger: but where there's
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>> erin: sure. >> ginger: but where there's just a heaviness at christmas.
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>> ginger: but where there's just a heaviness at christmas. >> joyce: [laughing]
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Just a heaviness at christmas. >> joyce: [laughing] why are you all looking at me?
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>> joyce: [laughing] why are you all looking at me? she asked you.
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Why are you all looking at me? she asked you. >> [ladies laughing]
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She asked you. >> [ladies laughing] >> erin: you know the answers.
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>> [ladies laughing] >> erin: you know the answers. so, for us, it was important
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>> erin: you know the answers. so, for us, it was important that we just accepted that
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So, for us, it was important that we just accepted that that's what was happening.
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That we just accepted that that's what was happening. like there was a--
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That's what was happening. like there was a-- there was tension
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Like there was a-- there was tension already and we needed
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There was tension already and we needed to identify that this is what
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Already and we needed to identify that this is what we're experiencing it.
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To identify that this is what we're experiencing it. and so, putting words
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We're experiencing it. and so, putting words to the fact that we are
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And so, putting words to the fact that we are feeling grief this christmas
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To the fact that we are feeling grief this christmas helped us kind of understand
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Feeling grief this christmas helped us kind of understand why we felt so strange
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Helped us kind of understand why we felt so strange and just off.
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Why we felt so strange and just off. and then it helped
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And just off. and then it helped us kind of process.
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And then it helped us kind of process. ok, now, how does this look now?
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Us kind of process. ok, now, how does this look now? what are we going
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Ok, now, how does this look now? what are we going to do that's different?
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What are we going to do that's different? when mike was used to doing
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To do that's different? when mike was used to doing the christmas gifts with mark
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When mike was used to doing the christmas gifts with mark the night before and now,
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The christmas gifts with mark the night before and now, he can't do that,
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The night before and now, he can't do that, what new thing can we do?
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He can't do that, what new thing can we do? and also, just sitting in it.
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What new thing can we do? and also, just sitting in it. i mean, it was just sad,
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And also, just sitting in it. i mean, it was just sad, so we just needed
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I mean, it was just sad, so we just needed to just talk about it
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So we just needed to just talk about it and just accept that
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To just talk about it and just accept that that's kind of where we were
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And just accept that that's kind of where we were and not push past it.
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That's kind of where we were and not push past it. and we talked about mark.
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And not push past it. and we talked about mark. we would remember stories
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And we talked about mark. we would remember stories about christmas with him.
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We would remember stories about christmas with him. but--
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About christmas with him. but-- >> ginger: allow yourself
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But-- >> ginger: allow yourself to feel it.
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>> ginger: allow yourself to feel it. >> erin: yeah.
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To feel it. >> erin: yeah. because it's uncomfortable
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>> erin: yeah. because it's uncomfortable and you don't want to.
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Because it's uncomfortable and you don't want to. and i don't want to feel
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And you don't want to. and i don't want to feel sad on christmas because
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And i don't want to feel sad on christmas because we're missing somebody.
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Sad on christmas because we're missing somebody. but also at the same time,
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We're missing somebody. but also at the same time, like he was with jesus
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But also at the same time, like he was with jesus for his birthday.
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Like he was with jesus for his birthday. >> joyce: yeah.
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For his birthday. >> joyce: yeah. >> erin: and that is so amazing.
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>> joyce: yeah. >> erin: and that is so amazing. so, you're getting kind
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>> erin: and that is so amazing. so, you're getting kind of all of it together.
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So, you're getting kind of all of it together. so, we just needed to talk
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Of all of it together. so, we just needed to talk about those as a family.
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So, we just needed to talk about those as a family. >> ginger: yeah.
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About those as a family. >> ginger: yeah. >> holly: and it's just like
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>> ginger: yeah. >> holly: and it's just like a lot of--i mean,
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>> holly: and it's just like a lot of--i mean, there's i'm sure,
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A lot of--i mean, there's i'm sure, there are people watching this
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There's i'm sure, there are people watching this that got divorced this year.
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There are people watching this that got divorced this year. and so now they're going
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That got divorced this year. and so now they're going to be stepping into a christmas
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And so now they're going to be stepping into a christmas that's very different
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To be stepping into a christmas that's very different and maybe they share the kids.
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That's very different and maybe they share the kids. and so, it's creating
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And maybe they share the kids. and so, it's creating a new normal, right.
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And so, it's creating a new normal, right. it's creating a new--
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A new normal, right. it's creating a new-- something new.
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It's creating a new-- something new. and again, that's that part
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Something new. and again, that's that part of not getting so sentimental
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And again, that's that part of not getting so sentimental about what was.
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Of not getting so sentimental about what was. so, what can we do this year?
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About what was. so, what can we do this year? right.
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So, what can we do this year? right. that's so maybe you're--
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Right. that's so maybe you're-- a woman's watching this.
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That's so maybe you're-- a woman's watching this. and so, this year the kids
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A woman's watching this. and so, this year the kids are with the ex-husband.
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And so, this year the kids are with the ex-husband. so, she's by herself.
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Are with the ex-husband. so, she's by herself. so now, so find something
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So, she's by herself. so now, so find something to do that day.
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So now, so find something to do that day. go serve somewhere.
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To do that day. go serve somewhere. go feed people.
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Go serve somewhere. go feed people. go hang out with
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Go feed people. go hang out with your girlfriends.
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Go hang out with your girlfriends. it's just like, do something
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Your girlfriends. it's just like, do something different.
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It's just like, do something different. right?
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Different. right? as opposed to just sitting
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Right? as opposed to just sitting at home being mad.
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As opposed to just sitting at home being mad. which is an option.
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At home being mad. which is an option. >> ginger: yeah.
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Which is an option. >> ginger: yeah. no, you're right.
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>> ginger: yeah. no, you're right. >> joyce: something
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No, you're right. >> joyce: something i think some people do.
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>> joyce: something i think some people do. and i don't mean this--
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I think some people do. and i don't mean this-- i understand people
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And i don't mean this-- i understand people that are grieving
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I understand people that are grieving or that they've had a loss.
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That are grieving or that they've had a loss. but i watched my aunt whose
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Or that they've had a loss. but i watched my aunt whose husband--my uncle died
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But i watched my aunt whose husband--my uncle died probably 25 years
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Husband--my uncle died probably 25 years before she did.
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Probably 25 years before she did. and she would plan
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Before she did. and she would plan to be miserable on his birthday.
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And she would plan to be miserable on his birthday. and she would plan
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To be miserable on his birthday. and she would plan to be miserable
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And she would plan to be miserable on their anniversary.
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To be miserable on their anniversary. and plan to be miserable
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On their anniversary. and plan to be miserable at christmas, thanksgiving.
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And plan to be miserable at christmas, thanksgiving. and you don't have to be.
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At christmas, thanksgiving. and you don't have to be. >> erin: no.
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And you don't have to be. >> erin: no. >> joyce: you know,
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>> erin: no. >> joyce: you know, you could look at it like
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>> joyce: you know, you could look at it like you said in a different way.
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You could look at it like you said in a different way. "this is--"
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You said in a different way. "this is--" >> ginger: yeah.
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"this is--" >> ginger: yeah. >> joyce: "had a lot
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>> ginger: yeah. >> joyce: "had a lot of good years.
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>> joyce: "had a lot of good years. things are different this year."
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Of good years. things are different this year." but would the person
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Things are different this year." but would the person you lost actually want
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But would the person you lost actually want you to be miserable?
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You lost actually want you to be miserable? >> ginger: that's a great
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You to be miserable? >> ginger: that's a great question.
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>> ginger: that's a great question. >> holly: that's a really
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Question. >> holly: that's a really good question.
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>> holly: that's a really good question. >> ginger: there's probably
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Good question. >> ginger: there's probably almost a guilt like,
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>> ginger: there's probably almost a guilt like, "i shouldn't--"
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Almost a guilt like, "i shouldn't--" >> holly: "be having fun because
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"i shouldn't--" >> holly: "be having fun because they're not here."
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>> holly: "be having fun because they're not here." >> ginger: yeah, right.
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>> joyce: a lot of people
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>> joyce: a lot of people do think that they think
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>> joyce: a lot of people do think that they think that if they have a problem
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Do think that they think that if they have a problem with one of their kids,
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That if they have a problem with one of their kids, they can't be happy,
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With one of their kids, they can't be happy, "just wouldn't be right."
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They can't be happy, "just wouldn't be right." and you can and you should be.
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"just wouldn't be right." and you can and you should be. >> erin: that's important
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And you can and you should be. >> erin: that's important to hear.
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>> erin: that's important to hear. >> ginger: yeah.
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To hear. >> ginger: yeah. give yourself some permission.
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>> ginger: yeah. give yourself some permission. >> joyce: yeah.
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Give yourself some permission. >> joyce: yeah. >> ginger: that it's ok
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>> joyce: yeah. >> ginger: that it's ok to experience joy,
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>> ginger: that it's ok to experience joy, which is very different
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To experience joy, which is very different than being happy
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Which is very different than being happy in your circumstances.
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Than being happy in your circumstances. but i love that.
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In your circumstances. but i love that. >> joyce: there's always
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But i love that. >> joyce: there's always a positive way to look at it.
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>> joyce: there's always a positive way to look at it. look at everything like,
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You know, i like the--
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You know, i like the-- we used to do funerals
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You know, i like the-- we used to do funerals and now most people do what
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We used to do funerals and now most people do what they call, "a celebration
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And now most people do what they call, "a celebration of life," service.
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They call, "a celebration of life," service. and that sounds so much
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Of life," service. and that sounds so much better than a funeral because
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And that sounds so much better than a funeral because that person had a life.
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Better than a funeral because that person had a life. and there were a lot of good
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That person had a life. and there were a lot of good things to say about them.
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And there were a lot of good things to say about them. and find a way to keep
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Things to say about them. and find a way to keep everything positive.
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And find a way to keep everything positive. and i don't mean that
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Everything positive. and i don't mean that you don't grieve.
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And i don't mean that you don't grieve. i don't mean that
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You don't grieve. i don't mean that you're not hurting.
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I don't mean that you're not hurting. i don't--
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You're not hurting. i don't-- i get it.
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I don't-- i get it. i understand it.
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I get it. i understand it. i don't--
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I understand it. i don't-- i don't mean what i said
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I don't-- i don't mean what i said to sound bad, but let's just say
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I don't mean what i said to sound bad, but let's just say somebody's been gone five years.
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To sound bad, but let's just say somebody's been gone five years. i mean, do you still really have
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Somebody's been gone five years. i mean, do you still really have to make that day miserable?
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I mean, do you still really have to make that day miserable? i don't think so.
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To make that day miserable? i don't think so. i don't think it pleases god
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I don't think so. i don't think it pleases god and i don't think it would
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I don't think it pleases god and i don't think it would please the person that you lost.
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And i don't think it would please the person that you lost. >> ginger: so,
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Please the person that you lost. >> ginger: so, some of the things we wanna
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>> ginger: so, some of the things we wanna encourage people
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Some of the things we wanna encourage people to do as they go into
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Encourage people to do as they go into this holiday season
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To do as they go into this holiday season is not to be so caught
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This holiday season is not to be so caught up in all of the to do's
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Is not to be so caught up in all of the to do's and all of the things
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Up in all of the to do's and all of the things that have to get done
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And all of the things that have to get done that you miss the miracles
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That have to get done that you miss the miracles in the moment.
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That you miss the miracles in the moment. >> joyce: you can say, "no,"
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In the moment. >> joyce: you can say, "no," to a party if you want to.
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>> joyce: you can say, "no," to a party if you want to. >> ginger: that's good.
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To a party if you want to. >> ginger: that's good. you could say, "no," to a family
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>> ginger: that's good. you could say, "no," to a family gathering if you need to,
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You could say, "no," to a family gathering if you need to, if it's healthier for you.
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Gathering if you need to, if it's healthier for you. >> holly: like if we're
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If it's healthier for you. >> holly: like if we're so busy that we aren't
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>> holly: like if we're so busy that we aren't reading our bible.
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So busy that we aren't reading our bible. [laughing]
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Reading our bible. [laughing] >> ginger: mmm.
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[laughing] >> ginger: mmm. [laughing]
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>> ginger: mmm. [laughing] >> erin: really good point,
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[laughing] >> erin: really good point, holly.
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>> erin: really good point, holly. >> holly: "ah, yeah, um,
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Holly. >> holly: "ah, yeah, um, remember?"
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>> holly: "ah, yeah, um, remember?" >> ginger: yeah.
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Remember?" >> ginger: yeah. >> holly: but that's
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>> ginger: yeah. >> holly: but that's what happens, like especially
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>> holly: but that's what happens, like especially this time of year,
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What happens, like especially this time of year, you get so busy doing
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This time of year, you get so busy doing things that you're not
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You get so busy doing things that you're not even reading your bible.
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Things that you're not even reading your bible. >> ginger: not to overspend.
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Even reading your bible. >> ginger: not to overspend. give yourself the freedom
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>> ginger: not to overspend. give yourself the freedom not to get in debt and to say,
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Give yourself the freedom not to get in debt and to say, "no," if you need to, to gifts.
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Not to get in debt and to say, "no," if you need to, to gifts. so, setting some
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"no," if you need to, to gifts. so, setting some healthy boundaries.
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So, setting some healthy boundaries. >> joyce: and if things need
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Healthy boundaries. >> joyce: and if things need to be done differently,
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>> joyce: and if things need to be done differently, just set your mind
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To be done differently, just set your mind to do them differently.
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Just set your mind to do them differently. and don't grieve over
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To do them differently. and don't grieve over all the years that you
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And don't grieve over all the years that you did it this way that you
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All the years that you did it this way that you can't do it that way anymore.
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Did it this way that you can't do it that way anymore. >> holly: yeah.
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Can't do it that way anymore. >> holly: yeah. >> ginger: don't expect
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>> holly: yeah. >> ginger: don't expect christmas to be perfect
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>> ginger: don't expect christmas to be perfect because nothing is.
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Christmas to be perfect because nothing is. that's okay too.
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Because nothing is. that's okay too. >> erin: expectations
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That's okay too. >> erin: expectations are a big one.
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>> erin: expectations are a big one. i think that--
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Are a big one. i think that-- >> joyce: and largely
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I think that-- >> joyce: and largely do remember what
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>> joyce: and largely do remember what christmas is all about.
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Do remember what christmas is all about. >> ginger: i think we can often
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Christmas is all about. >> ginger: i think we can often be surprised what god does.
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>> ginger: i think we can often be surprised what god does. like you were saying,
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Be surprised what god does. like you were saying, looking back at it now,
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Like you were saying, looking back at it now, it was a special time,
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Looking back at it now, it was a special time, even though it was
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It was a special time, even though it was so painful, that god can
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Even though it was so painful, that god can amaze us and bring us gifts
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So painful, that god can amaze us and bring us gifts and supernatural
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Amaze us and bring us gifts and supernatural peace and things that
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And supernatural peace and things that we never expected when
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Peace and things that we never expected when we give it to him and celebrate
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We never expected when we give it to him and celebrate who he is above everything else.
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We give it to him and celebrate who he is above everything else. >> erin: absolutely.
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Who he is above everything else. >> erin: absolutely. >> holly: and one of the stories
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>> erin: absolutely. >> holly: and one of the stories i remember, i've actually
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>> holly: and one of the stories i remember, i've actually used this story.
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I remember, i've actually used this story. i do still give joyce credit
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Used this story. i do still give joyce credit for it by the fifth time
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I do still give joyce credit for it by the fifth time i used it, i probably won't.
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For it by the fifth time i used it, i probably won't. [laughing]
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I used it, i probably won't. [laughing] just kidding.
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[laughing] just kidding. but just the story
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Just kidding. but just the story about ruth when going
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But just the story about ruth when going through the field of boaz.
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And so, she was in a pretty
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And so, she was in a pretty hard, horrible season.
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And so, she was in a pretty hard, horrible season. it was not a normal season.
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Hard, horrible season. it was not a normal season. and so, she's in that field
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It was not a normal season. and so, she's in that field and boaz had told his
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And so, she's in that field and boaz had told his workers to leave some
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And boaz had told his workers to leave some handfuls of grain for her.
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Workers to leave some handfuls of grain for her. >> joyce: on purpose.
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Handfuls of grain for her. >> joyce: on purpose. >> holly: on purpose.
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>> joyce: on purpose. >> holly: on purpose. and so, even in the midst
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>> holly: on purpose. and so, even in the midst of the hard time,
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And so, even in the midst of the hard time, she found some handfuls.
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Of the hard time, she found some handfuls. and so, i just think that this
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She found some handfuls. and so, i just think that this christmas might be a really
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And so, i just think that this christmas might be a really hard season for people,
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Christmas might be a really hard season for people, but are you looking
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Hard season for people, but are you looking for handfuls because
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But are you looking for handfuls because god's giving them to you.
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For handfuls because god's giving them to you. there are those handfuls.
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>> ginger: this is romans 15:13.
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>> ginger: this is romans 15:13. it says, "may the god of your
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>> ginger: this is romans 15:13. it says, "may the god of your hope so fill you with all joy
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It says, "may the god of your hope so fill you with all joy and peace and believing
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Hope so fill you with all joy and peace and believing through the experience
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And peace and believing through the experience of your faith that by the power
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Through the experience of your faith that by the power of the holy spirit,
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Of your faith that by the power of the holy spirit, you may abound
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Of the holy spirit, you may abound and be overflowing,
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You may abound and be overflowing, bubbling over with hope."
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And be overflowing, bubbling over with hope." and that is our prayer
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For all of you this christmas,
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For all of you this christmas, whatever the situation is.
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For all of you this christmas, whatever the situation is. and i know some of you may
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Whatever the situation is. and i know some of you may be going through really
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And i know some of you may be going through really hard times and we're sorry,
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Be going through really hard times and we're sorry, but god is in the midst
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Hard times and we're sorry, but god is in the midst of that hard time too.
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But god is in the midst of that hard time too. and he's grieving with you
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Of that hard time too. and he's grieving with you and loving you through it
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And he's grieving with you and loving you through it and through all the hecticness
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And loving you through it and through all the hecticness and your schedule
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And through all the hecticness and your schedule and all the pressure
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And your schedule and all the pressure that you feel,
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And all the pressure that you feel, the things that maybe you have
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That you feel, the things that maybe you have to do for work or for family,
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The things that maybe you have to do for work or for family, whatever it may be.
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To do for work or for family, whatever it may be. just keep giving it to him.
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Whatever it may be. just keep giving it to him. keep giving it to him.
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Just keep giving it to him. keep giving it to him. ask him to tell you
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Keep giving it to him. ask him to tell you when to say, "no."
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Ask him to tell you when to say, "no." ask him to tell you who you
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When to say, "no." ask him to tell you who you should reach out to, to help.
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Ask him to tell you who you should reach out to, to help. and we really believe that
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Should reach out to, to help. and we really believe that this christmas season for you
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And we really believe that this christmas season for you can be something so much more
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This christmas season for you can be something so much more than you ever imagined that
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Can be something so much more than you ever imagined that the wonder of the lord will
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Than you ever imagined that the wonder of the lord will just encompass you and love
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The wonder of the lord will just encompass you and love you in a way that you never
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Just encompass you and love you in a way that you never knew possible.
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We love you all.
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We love you all. thank you so much, holly.
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Thank you so much, holly. >> holly: thanks for having me.
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>> holly: thanks for having me. i love talking about christmas.
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I love talking about christmas. >> ginger: we always love
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>> ginger: we always love having you here with us.
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Having you here with us. me too.
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Me too. and girls, love you both.
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And girls, love you both. >> joyce and erin: love you.
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>> joyce and erin: love you. >> ginger: and we'll see you
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>> ginger: and we'll see you all next time.
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All next time. >> all ladies: merry christmas.
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>> announcer: coming up,
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>> announcer: coming up, a special message from joyce.
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>> announcer: wanna
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>> announcer: wanna know a secret?
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Know a secret? the words you say can
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The words you say can make a big impact on your
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Make a big impact on your life and attitude.
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Life and attitude. no pressure.
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No pressure. but the bible says
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But the bible says "the power of life
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"the power of life and death
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And death is in the tongue."
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>> joyce: well,
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>> joyce: well, with god's help,
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With god's help, we wanna make
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We wanna make sure the words
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Sure the words coming out
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Coming out of our mouth line up
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Of our mouth line up with the word of god.
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With the word of god. this book,
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This book, "the secret
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"the secret power of speaking
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Power of speaking god's word,"
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God's word," out loud, is one
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Out loud, is one of my most popular
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Of my most popular books for a reason.
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Books for a reason. it gives you bible
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It gives you bible verses for every
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Verses for every situation you
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Situation you can think of.
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Can think of. >> announcer: verses
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>> announcer: verses are organized by topic,
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Are organized by topic, so you can easily find
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So you can easily find scripture for whatever
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Scripture for whatever situation you're facing.
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Situation you're facing. "the secret power
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"the secret power of speaking
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Of speaking god's word"
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God's word" is available right
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Is available right now for your gift
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Now for your gift of any amount.
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>> joyce: well, when you
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>> joyce: well, when you call today to get your copy
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Call today to get your copy of "the secret power
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Of "the secret power of speaking god's word,"
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Of speaking god's word," you won't be the only
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You won't be the only one to learn the secret.
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One to learn the secret. you'll also be providing
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You'll also be providing for people all over
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For people all over the world to hear
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The world to hear the truth of the gospel.
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The truth of the gospel. your financial support
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Your financial support helps us spread the love
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Helps us spread the love of christ in meaningful ways.
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Of christ in meaningful ways. that was evident in 2025
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That was evident in 2025 as we took big steps
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As we took big steps into new endeavors.
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Including launching
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Including launching the hope factory in zimbabwe.
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The hope factory in zimbabwe. the hope factory now
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The hope factory now allows us to produce
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Allows us to produce high-quality meals,
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High-quality meals, containing 75% of a child's
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Containing 75% of a child's daily nutritional needs.
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Daily nutritional needs. that helped push our
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That helped push our running total to more than
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Running total to more than 540 million meals served.
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540 million meals served. this year also marked
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This year also marked a milestone for providing
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A milestone for providing clean water around the world.
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Clean water around the world. we've now dug 3,000 fresh
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We've now dug 3,000 fresh water wells, which are
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Water wells, which are crucial to those communities.
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Crucial to those communities. medical and dental missions
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Medical and dental missions continue to be a cornerstone
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Continue to be a cornerstone of our outreaches.
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Of our outreaches. this year, hand of hope's
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This year, hand of hope's running total for medical
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Running total for medical and dental care surpassed
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And dental care surpassed 4.02 million people.
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4.02 million people. and in 2025, we launched
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And in 2025, we launched hope mountain ranch in utah.
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Hope mountain ranch in utah. it's a place of refuge and
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It's a place of refuge and healing for women and girls
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Healing for women and girls facing issues like abuse,
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Facing issues like abuse, human trafficking,
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Human trafficking, and addiction.
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And addiction. it's a cause that
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It's a cause that is especially close
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Is especially close to my heart.
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To my heart. 2025 brought some incredibly
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2025 brought some incredibly difficult times through
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Difficult times through natural disasters.
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Natural disasters. your gifts allowed us to
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Your gifts allowed us to respond to devastating crises
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Respond to devastating crises over the last few months,
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Over the last few months, such as the texas flood,
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Such as the texas flood, which killed more
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Which killed more than 130 people.
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Than 130 people. but the most important
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But the most important thing we do with your help,
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Thing we do with your help, is share the gospel
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Is share the gospel around the world.
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Around the world. that's all thanks to gifts
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That's all thanks to gifts from people like you.
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Well, as 2025 wraps up,
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Well, as 2025 wraps up, this is the perfect time
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This is the perfect time to give an end of the year gift
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To give an end of the year gift to share christ and love people
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To share christ and love people throughout 2026 and beyond.
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Throughout 2026 and beyond. remember, your gift
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Remember, your gift is tax deductible,
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Is tax deductible, and your generosity is crucial
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And your generosity is crucial to sharing the love of jesus.
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To sharing the love of jesus. >> announcer: call us
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>> joyce: i pray you have a blessed and a joyful
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A blessed and a joyful holiday season,
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Holiday season, and an even better 2026.
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>> joyce: how do we navigate
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>> joyce: how do we navigate all of life's pressures?
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All of life's pressures? well, god's word has
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Well, god's word has much to say about it,
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Much to say about it, so, i thought we could
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So, i thought we could all get together with some
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All get together with some of my friends and talk about it.
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Of my friends and talk about it. >> announcer: join us
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>> announcer: join us for the enjoying
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For the enjoying everyday life
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Everyday life conference,
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Conference, with joyce
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With joyce and her guests,
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And her guests, dr. henry cloud,
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Dr. henry cloud, nona jones,
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Nona jones, and worship with
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And worship with naomi raine.
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>> ginger: real life.
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>> ginger: real life. real friends.
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Real friends. no pretense.
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No pretense. joyce meyer's
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Joyce meyer's talk it out podcast.
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Talk it out podcast. join joyce, erin cluley,
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Join joyce, erin cluley, and me, ginger stache,
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And me, ginger stache, along with some amazing friends,
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Along with some amazing friends, as we honestly share
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As we honestly share the hard stuff,
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The hard stuff, laugh through those
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Laugh through those unpredictable moments,
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Unpredictable moments, and learn to apply what
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And learn to apply what god says about it all.
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God says about it all. watch or listen to new
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Watch or listen to new episodes every other tuesday,
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Episodes every other tuesday, wherever you get your podcast.
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>> [♪♪]
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>> joyce: well, today, i wanna
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>> joyce: well, today, i wanna pray about hope with you.
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Pray about hope with you. you know, hope is an expectation
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You know, hope is an expectation that something good is going
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That something good is going to happen at any moment.
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To happen at any moment. so, father, we come to you
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So, father, we come to you in jesus' name and i pray today,
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In jesus' name and i pray today, that people will stop thinking,
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That people will stop thinking, "my problem's never
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It's never gonna go away.
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This is never gonna be any
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This is never gonna be any different in my life."
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This is never gonna be any different in my life." and i want them to aggressively
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Different in my life." and i want them to aggressively believe that all things
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And i want them to aggressively believe that all things are possible with you,
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Believe that all things are possible with you, and that they are gonna have
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Are possible with you, and that they are gonna have a breakthrough at any moment
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And that they are gonna have a breakthrough at any moment in their life.
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A breakthrough at any moment in their life. your word says that,
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In their life. your word says that, "hope deferred makes
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Your word says that, "hope deferred makes the heart sick."
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"hope deferred makes the heart sick." we need to stir ourselves
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The heart sick." we need to stir ourselves up in hope and let it be
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We need to stir ourselves up in hope and let it be the anchor of our souls.
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Up in hope and let it be the anchor of our souls. so, i pray that people will
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The anchor of our souls. so, i pray that people will not just focus on what's
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So, i pray that people will not just focus on what's wrong in their life,
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Not just focus on what's wrong in their life, but they'll focus on what
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Wrong in their life, but they'll focus on what you can do.
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But they'll focus on what you can do. and once again,
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You can do. and once again, nothing is impossible with you.
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And once again, nothing is impossible with you. help us stir our faith up,
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Nothing is impossible with you. help us stir our faith up, lord, and believe you for
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Help us stir our faith up, lord, and believe you for greater things than ever before.
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Lord, and believe you for greater things than ever before. i ask it in jesus' name, amen.
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Greater things than ever before. i ask it in jesus' name, amen. you have a great rest
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I ask it in jesus' name, amen. you have a great rest of the day.
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You have a great rest of the day. and remember, god's got
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Of the day. and remember, god's got a good plan for your life.
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>> announcer: we hope you
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>> announcer: we hope you enjoyed today's program.
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Enjoyed today's program. we are so grateful
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We are so grateful to our joyce meyer
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To our joyce meyer ministries partners
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Ministries partners who make this
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Who make this and all we do possible,
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And all we do possible, including sharing
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Including sharing god's word
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God's word and offering help
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And offering help to people in need
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To people in need all over the world.
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Joyce Meyer - Less Is More This Christmas (Part 2)

December 24, 2025 | 29:29

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