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Christine Caine hosts Sheryl Brady, Chris & Tina Baker, Marc & Lana Jeffrey and Travis Simons.

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Praise | May 22, 2017

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  • - female announcer: Tonight,
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  • from Dallas, Texas, from The
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  • Potter's House of North Dallas,
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  • Sheryl Brady and her family;
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  • and author and world-renowned
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  • - Christine Caine: Hey, welcome
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  • to the "Praise" program.
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  • I am so glad that you have
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  • joined us.
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  • You are in for such a treat.
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  • You truly did pick the right
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  • time to tune in.
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  • This could be my personal
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  • favorite "Praise" program
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  • that I've ever hosted.
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  • So before I introduce you
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  • to our guests, why don't you
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  • just check out the screen.
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  • You are gonna love who we've got
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  • tonight.
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  • - announcer: Sheryl Brady has a
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  • distinctive preaching style that
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  • captures people's hearts from
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  • all walks of life.
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  • She, along with her entire
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  • family, pastors The Potter's
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  • House of North Dallas.
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  • - Sheryl Brady: Your little
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  • neat, perfectly planned,
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  • perfectly mapped out schedule,
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  • sometimes will just go straight
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  • out the window.
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  • - announcer: As a featured
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  • writer and sought-after speaker
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  • at some of the nation's largest
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  • conferences, she is one of the
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  • leading ministers of our time.
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  • - Sheryl: And with the rain
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  • comes fresh joy, fresh peace,
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  • fresh passion!
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  • - announcer: All of this
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  • acclaim is possible because of
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  • the support of her family.
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  • Today, we'll hear how to mentor
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  • and build a legacy that lasts.
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  • Meet them now on "Praise."
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  • - Christine: I am so thrilled.
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  • Well, you guys, I have been
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  • busting for you all to come onto
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  • the program so thank you so much
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  • for coming.
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  • I need you all to know before I
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  • even start because once we get
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  • talking, trying to get any of us
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  • to be quiet, is gonna be a
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  • miracle greater than the
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  • Resurrection of Jesus.
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  • But I do tell everyone, I
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  • thought I need to put it out on
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  • the "Praise" program that, for
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  • me, personally, this woman in
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  • terms of preaching, no one has
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  • mentored me like this woman.
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  • In fact, I've probably stolen
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  • most of her messages and the
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  • ones that you all really love
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  • I've just taken, repurposed, and
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  • done them.
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  • But Sheryl, tell me, like, just
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  • a little bit about how you got
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  • started because you definitely
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  • inspire me and a whole
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  • generation of women teachers and
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  • preachers.
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  • - Sheryl: Ah, you're so--ah,
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  • you're very sweet.
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  • But it's really the flipped
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  • version of that.
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  • Thanks for the opportunity to
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  • bring my family.
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  • We look like a choir sitting up
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  • here.
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  • the thing--that we get to do
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  • ministry together, you know,
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  • and, you know, they always say
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  • the family that prays together
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  • stays together and we thank God
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  • for the opportunity to serve
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  • the Lord together.
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  • And let me tell you a little bit
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  • about how I met her and then I'm
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  • gonna move on and get out of her
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  • way.
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  • But I was in a hotel here in
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  • Dallas and I was in the, like,
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  • the concierge lounge and I was
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  • eating breakfast one morning and
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  • I kept hearing this lady with
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  • the Australian accent talking to
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  • her children just about God and
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  • the goodness of God and the
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  • little girl--your girls were
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  • little at the time.
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  • - Christine: Very little, yeah.
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  • - Sheryl: And I just, like,
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  • found myself all in your
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  • conversation because I was
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  • thinking how--and the room was
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  • just little.
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  • It was a small room.
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  • But I was, like, "I need to know
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  • this woman who is just talking
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  • about God publicly right here
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  • with her kids."
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  • And that blessed me.
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  • And that's how I first met
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  • Christine Caine and we've kind
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  • of been buddies ever since.
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  • - Christine: Yeah, we have.
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  • So how about we meet the family
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  • because you are gonna love this
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  • family.
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  • They're some of my favorite
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  • people on earth so, Chris, how
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  • about we start?
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  • Tell us a bit about yourself.
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  • - Chris Baker: I'm Chris Baker
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  • and I am married to this
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  • beautiful woman for 13 years,
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  • Tina.
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  • - Tina Baker: I'm Tina Baker.
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  • I'm one of the twins.
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  • be the Executive Director of
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  • Sheryl Brady Ministries for
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  • almost 15, 16 years now and I
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  • also have the incredible
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  • privilege of leading worship at
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  • our church in Frisco, yeah.
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  • - Christine: Which is cool.
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  • - Lana Jeffrey: I'm Lana
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  • Jeffrey and I'm the oldest of
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  • the three of us.
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  • And I am the Director for Family
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  • Ministries at The Potter's
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  • House, North Dallas.
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  • And I'm married to this guy over
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  • here.
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  • - Christine: He's trouble, that
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  • guy.
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  • - Marc Jeffrey: Hi, my name's
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  • Marc Jeffrey and I just wanna
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  • say it's an honor to be here.
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  • give me my own show.
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  • - Christine: C'mon, this was
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  • your moment.
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  • - Marc: Based solely on me.
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  • For me to be able to announce it
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  • in front of my family.
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  • I didn't even know I was in the
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  • ministry, #blessed.
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  • - Christine: #humble.
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  • - Marc: I'm so proud of myself.
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  • But I'm the Director of
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  • Marketing at The Potter's House
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  • North and for Sheryl Brady
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  • Ministries.
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  • - Christine: Which is awesome.
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  • - Travis Simons: Hey, I'm
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  • You've seen there's no--I'm
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  • just kidding.
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  • I'm married--my name is
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  • Travis Simons and I'm married to
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  • the other twin, Nina.
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  • She's not with us today.
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  • She's tending to our beautiful
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  • kids.
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  • and so we're excited about--
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  • - Christine: Tell 'em how many
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  • days.
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  • - Travis: Six days.
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  • - Christine: Come on, that is
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  • awesome.
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  • - Travis: So I guess, I'm the
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  • Director of Ministry Development
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  • at The Potter's House,
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  • North Dallas.
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  • But I'm also a preacher and
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  • teacher and gleaner from the
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  • greats.
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  • - Christine: Come on.
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  • So The Potter's House, North
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  • Dallas.
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  • Tell us a bit about the church.
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  • - Sheryl: The Potter's House,
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  • North Dallas, is--we started out
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  • as a campus under the incredible
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  • leader, Bishop T.D. Jakes.
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  • - Christine: Oh, yeah, come on,
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  • yes.
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  • - Sheryl: He's my father in the
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  • gospel.
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  • And if I preach anything good,
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  • it's probably come from him.
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  • - Christine: So we've all got
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  • it from the Bishop.
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  • - Sheryl: But he called us
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  • 7 years ago and said,
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  • "You know, I really wanna
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  • do a campus in North Dallas,"
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  • and he said, "Will you pray
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  • about coming home?"
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  • 'Cause I'd been with him for
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  • about 25 years now and so,
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  • of course, we prayed about it.
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  • And when I came, and I told my
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  • kids I was coming, they all
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  • agreed to get on the bandwagon
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  • with us and we--here we come.
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  • We came to North Dallas, planted
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  • The Potter's House North under
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  • his leadership, yeah, Potter's
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  • House North.
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  • And it's been a blessing for the
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  • last 7 years.
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  • We've all just grabbed a hold of
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  • this thing and we've watched God
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  • do miraculous things.
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  • - Christine: This is awesome
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  • and I'll get to asking the kids
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  • in a moment but I've gotta say,
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  • there would be a lot of people
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  • watching this, going, "How on
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  • earth did you get all your kids
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  • to wanna come with you and then
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  • be involved in ministry with
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  • you?"
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  • - Sheryl: You know, I don't
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  • even know but, for the grace of
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  • God, and I actually believe that
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  • it was their assignment.
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  • And they can probably talk more
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  • about that but I'm grateful that
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  • they know how to hear God
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  • because I have nine
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  • grandchildren.
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  • I do not wanna leave any of them
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  • behind.
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  • But I'm grateful for our family
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  • assignment.
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  • And so people say, "Well, how do
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  • y'all do it?"
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  • And, you know, all I know is
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  • that we just do it with all of
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  • our hearts, and when we're at
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  • church we do it, when we go home
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  • we try to be family.
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  • And, you know, God's just given
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  • us grace.
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  • - Christine: When they were
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  • little, I guess you guys just
  • 00:07:47.150 --> 00:07:49.000
  • had an all-family ministry,
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  • didn't you?
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  • - Sheryl: We did.
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  • We traveled, we lived in a bus,
  • 00:07:53.010 --> 00:07:54.070
  • pretty much, you know, like the
  • 00:07:54.070 --> 00:07:55.110
  • Partridge Family.
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  • We had a bus.
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  • We traveled and--
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  • - Christine: Doing what?
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  • - Sheryl: We traveled in--my
  • 00:08:00.050 --> 00:08:01.070
  • husband was the preacher, I
  • 00:08:01.070 --> 00:08:02.090
  • sang, they sang.
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  • They sold product, they did
  • 00:08:04.200 --> 00:08:06.090
  • whatever had to be done.
  • 00:08:06.090 --> 00:08:08.010
  • And I think that's one of the
  • 00:08:08.010 --> 00:08:09.010
  • reasons that it works today is
  • 00:08:09.010 --> 00:08:10.230
  • because people may look at them
  • 00:08:10.230 --> 00:08:12.250
  • today but it started when they
  • 00:08:12.250 --> 00:08:15.060
  • were little and we, absolutely,
  • 00:08:15.060 --> 00:08:17.200
  • we trained them up in the ways
  • 00:08:17.200 --> 00:08:18.260
  • of the Lord.
  • 00:08:18.260 --> 00:08:19.190
  • And somehow, God merged our
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  • paths with these three great men
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  • and made them part of our team
  • 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:25.060
  • and us part of their team, and
  • 00:08:25.060 --> 00:08:26.270
  • we're giving the devil a good
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  • black eye.
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  • - Christine: Come on, yes, you
  • 00:08:29.220 --> 00:08:31.050
  • are.
  • 00:08:31.050 --> 00:08:31.270
  • - Sheryl: A black eye.
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  • - Christine: Yes, you are.
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  • - Sheryl: You know, in a day
  • 00:08:33.190 --> 00:08:34.170
  • where families are under such
  • 00:08:34.170 --> 00:08:35.170
  • attack.
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  • You know, I'm just--I'm thanking
  • 00:08:36.210 --> 00:08:37.280
  • God that he's blessed us.
  • 00:08:37.280 --> 00:08:39.180
  • - Christine: So how have you
  • 00:08:39.180 --> 00:08:40.130
  • kept them together?
  • 00:08:40.130 --> 00:08:41.110
  • - Sheryl: By the grace of God
  • 00:08:41.110 --> 00:08:42.100
  • for real.
  • 00:08:42.100 --> 00:08:43.050
  • And once again, it's that
  • 00:08:43.050 --> 00:08:44.160
  • assignment and they can speak to
  • 00:08:44.160 --> 00:08:47.100
  • it better than me but I am so
  • 00:08:47.100 --> 00:08:48.230
  • grateful too.
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  • You know, sometimes I just look
  • 00:08:50.070 --> 00:08:51.280
  • back and I think, "God, you are
  • 00:08:51.280 --> 00:08:53.100
  • awesome.
  • 00:08:53.100 --> 00:08:55.110
  • I dunno how you did this, but
  • 00:08:55.110 --> 00:08:56.240
  • it's amazing."
  • 00:08:56.240 --> 00:08:58.180
  • - Christine: Well, let's jump
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  • in.
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  • How did you guys meet?
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  • - Tina: We met in church.
  • 00:09:00.210 --> 00:09:02.210
  • - Chris: In church.
  • 00:09:02.210 --> 00:09:03.150
  • - Christine: Of course.
  • 00:09:03.150 --> 00:09:04.160
  • - Tina: We weren't allowed to
  • 00:09:04.160 --> 00:09:05.110
  • go anywhere else.
  • 00:09:05.110 --> 00:09:07.050
  • It was definitely in church.
  • 00:09:07.050 --> 00:09:08.060
  • - Chris: Yeah, it was on a
  • 00:09:08.060 --> 00:09:08.290
  • Tuesday night.
  • 00:09:08.290 --> 00:09:09.260
  • One of my best friends, he was
  • 00:09:09.260 --> 00:09:10.240
  • playing there and so he said,
  • 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:12.020
  • "Man, come on out and come hang
  • 00:09:12.020 --> 00:09:13.230
  • out with us," so I came to
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  • the church and I saw this pretty
  • 00:09:14.120 --> 00:09:16.140
  • girl up there singing and
  • 00:09:16.140 --> 00:09:17.160
  • leading worship and I said,
  • 00:09:17.160 --> 00:09:18.190
  • "Lord, I have to have her."
  • 00:09:19.250 --> 00:09:22.250
  • So he hears the prayers of the
  • 00:09:22.250 --> 00:09:24.060
  • righteous.
  • 00:09:24.060 --> 00:09:25.160
  • - Christine: Come on.
  • 00:09:25.160 --> 00:09:26.170
  • - Chris: So 13 years in, it's
  • 00:09:26.170 --> 00:09:28.010
  • been an absolute amazing
  • 00:09:28.010 --> 00:09:29.090
  • experience, amazing
  • 00:09:29.090 --> 00:09:30.220
  • relationship.
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  • And we still love each other,
  • 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:33.020
  • that's the most important--
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  • - Tina: We do.
  • 00:09:33.280 --> 00:09:36.050
  • - Christine: So tell me some
  • 00:09:36.050 --> 00:09:37.040
  • things that your mom did right
  • 00:09:37.040 --> 00:09:38.190
  • when you were a little girl that
  • 00:09:38.190 --> 00:09:40.050
  • makes you still love Jesus today
  • 00:09:40.050 --> 00:09:42.010
  • and want to serve in ministry
  • 00:09:42.010 --> 00:09:43.100
  • with your parents.
  • 00:09:43.100 --> 00:09:44.130
  • - Tina: Well, you know, as far
  • 00:09:44.130 --> 00:09:45.060
  • as the ministry aspect, it was
  • 00:09:45.060 --> 00:09:46.150
  • never their calling.
  • 00:09:46.150 --> 00:09:47.220
  • It was always our calling.
  • 00:09:47.220 --> 00:09:50.200
  • It was not their ministry.
  • 00:09:50.200 --> 00:09:53.080
  • It was our ministry.
  • 00:09:53.080 --> 00:09:55.010
  • And so to be raised in that
  • 00:09:55.010 --> 00:09:57.050
  • environment, in that atmosphere,
  • 00:09:57.050 --> 00:09:58.240
  • I think having those types of
  • 00:09:58.240 --> 00:10:01.050
  • roots and that type of
  • 00:10:01.050 --> 00:10:04.030
  • understanding that it wasn't
  • 00:10:04.030 --> 00:10:05.180
  • just God had something for them
  • 00:10:05.180 --> 00:10:07.100
  • but our purpose was wrapped up
  • 00:10:07.100 --> 00:10:08.140
  • inside of their purpose, made it
  • 00:10:08.140 --> 00:10:11.020
  • easy for me, I can say, easy for
  • 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:14.080
  • me to wanna just go where they
  • 00:10:14.280 --> 00:10:17.280
  • went.
  • 00:10:17.280 --> 00:10:18.210
  • Living on a bus, you know,
  • 00:10:18.210 --> 00:10:20.120
  • wherever it took us, which was a
  • 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:22.230
  • lot of fun places down through
  • 00:10:22.230 --> 00:10:24.100
  • the years.
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  • - Sheryl: Homeschool.
  • 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:26.090
  • - Tina: Homeschooled for
  • 00:10:26.090 --> 00:10:27.020
  • several years.
  • 00:10:27.020 --> 00:10:29.060
  • It was awesome.
  • 00:10:29.060 --> 00:10:30.140
  • I don't have a bit of resentment
  • 00:10:30.140 --> 00:10:31.200
  • inside of my heart even after
  • 00:10:31.210 --> 00:10:34.210
  • being raised by people who had
  • 00:10:34.210 --> 00:10:36.170
  • been in ministry all their life
  • 00:10:36.170 --> 00:10:38.050
  • and all my life and I think
  • 00:10:38.050 --> 00:10:40.000
  • that's such a--it's such a
  • 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:40.270
  • precious thing and I don't take
  • 00:10:40.270 --> 00:10:42.150
  • that for granted.
  • 00:10:42.150 --> 00:10:43.130
  • - Christine: Because so many
  • 00:10:43.130 --> 00:10:44.100
  • ministry kids go AWOL and not
  • 00:10:44.100 --> 00:10:46.270
  • all the times had been easy for
  • 00:10:46.270 --> 00:10:49.010
  • your family and, like, you guys
  • 00:10:49.010 --> 00:10:50.190
  • have gone through some tough
  • 00:10:50.190 --> 00:10:51.160
  • times.
  • 00:10:51.160 --> 00:10:52.130
  • - Sheryl: Absolutely, like
  • 00:10:52.130 --> 00:10:53.100
  • everybody else.
  • 00:10:53.100 --> 00:10:54.050
  • But we went through it together,
  • 00:10:54.050 --> 00:10:55.000
  • you know.
  • 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:56.100
  • We didn't try to hide.
  • 00:10:56.100 --> 00:10:57.260
  • If times were bad, we'd huddle
  • 00:10:57.260 --> 00:11:00.160
  • up and we'd pray together.
  • 00:11:00.160 --> 00:11:02.080
  • There's something about a family
  • 00:11:02.080 --> 00:11:04.030
  • that prays together.
  • 00:11:04.030 --> 00:11:05.130
  • And we don't hear a lot about it
  • 00:11:05.130 --> 00:11:07.120
  • today but I'm so grateful that I
  • 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:09.180
  • don't have to call another
  • 00:11:09.180 --> 00:11:10.290
  • state, another country, another
  • 00:11:10.290 --> 00:11:12.200
  • region to get a prayer partner.
  • 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:14.050
  • That I can say, "C'mon, we're
  • 00:11:14.050 --> 00:11:15.290
  • gonna touch and agree right
  • 00:11:15.290 --> 00:11:17.030
  • now," and we've seen
  • 00:11:17.030 --> 00:11:19.010
  • God--whatever God did,
  • 00:11:19.010 --> 00:11:21.140
  • the victories that he gave me,
  • 00:11:21.140 --> 00:11:23.040
  • it was our victory.
  • 00:11:23.040 --> 00:11:24.180
  • And so we're--that through that,
  • 00:11:24.180 --> 00:11:27.150
  • they developed their own
  • 00:11:27.150 --> 00:11:28.280
  • relationship with Christ and it
  • 00:11:28.280 --> 00:11:30.270
  • was--they're not trying to make
  • 00:11:30.270 --> 00:11:32.050
  • it on mine or on their father's
  • 00:11:32.050 --> 00:11:34.070
  • but they've learned it on their
  • 00:11:34.070 --> 00:11:36.060
  • own.
  • 00:11:36.060 --> 00:11:36.250
  • They learned how to pray.
  • 00:11:36.250 --> 00:11:37.210
  • They learned how to go through
  • 00:11:37.210 --> 00:11:38.160
  • hard times.
  • 00:11:38.160 --> 00:11:39.080
  • They've learned how to, as
  • 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:40.100
  • Bishop Jakes would say, "Take a
  • 00:11:40.100 --> 00:11:41.070
  • lickin' and keep on tickin'."
  • 00:11:41.070 --> 00:11:42.200
  • - Tina: Yes, a few of those.
  • 00:11:42.200 --> 00:11:43.200
  • - Sheryl: A few of those times.
  • 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:44.280
  • And they're raising their kids
  • 00:11:44.280 --> 00:11:46.150
  • to do the same thing.
  • 00:11:46.150 --> 00:11:48.010
  • - Christine: That's powerful.
  • 00:11:48.010 --> 00:11:48.230
  • - Sheryl: It is.
  • 00:11:48.230 --> 00:11:49.200
  • - Christine: It is.
  • 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:50.200
  • When did you first know that you
  • 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:51.200
  • wanted to be a worship leader?
  • 00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:53.140
  • - Tina: It's all I can
  • 00:11:53.140 --> 00:11:54.280
  • remember, honestly, because
  • 00:11:54.280 --> 00:11:56.140
  • before Mom was a speaker and a
  • 00:11:56.200 --> 00:11:59.200
  • preacher, she was a worship
  • 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:01.110
  • leader.
  • 00:12:01.110 --> 00:12:02.050
  • She was a songwriter.
  • 00:12:02.050 --> 00:12:03.120
  • And so some of my youngest
  • 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:05.050
  • memories are just watching her
  • 00:12:05.050 --> 00:12:07.020
  • do that and I would just--I'd
  • 00:12:07.020 --> 00:12:09.040
  • just remember looking at that
  • 00:12:09.040 --> 00:12:10.060
  • incredible opportunity to bring
  • 00:12:13.110 --> 00:12:16.100
  • people into an experience that
  • 00:12:16.100 --> 00:12:18.120
  • you're having personally and,
  • 00:12:18.120 --> 00:12:19.280
  • even though we're in a public
  • 00:12:19.280 --> 00:12:22.070
  • place, we're in a auditorium
  • 00:12:22.070 --> 00:12:23.070
  • or sanctuary, to have the
  • 00:12:23.070 --> 00:12:24.290
  • opportunity to lead people as
  • 00:12:24.290 --> 00:12:27.290
  • a result of my relationship
  • 00:12:27.290 --> 00:12:29.110
  • with him is something
  • 00:12:29.110 --> 00:12:30.280
  • - Christine: Oh, yeah,
  • 00:12:33.150 --> 00:12:34.060
  • absolutely.
  • 00:12:34.060 --> 00:12:34.290
  • And, Chris, I know that you have
  • 00:12:34.290 --> 00:12:37.290
  • held in your own hands a real
  • 00:12:37.290 --> 00:12:40.280
  • live Grammy that you have won,
  • 00:12:40.280 --> 00:12:42.230
  • okay?
  • 00:12:42.230 --> 00:12:43.240
  • So I've never held one that I've
  • 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:45.280
  • won, ever.
  • 00:12:45.280 --> 00:12:48.150
  • So tell us a bit about that.
  • 00:12:48.150 --> 00:12:50.100
  • - Chris: Oh, man, it was an
  • 00:12:50.100 --> 00:12:51.210
  • amazing experience.
  • 00:12:51.210 --> 00:12:52.190
  • I had an opportunity to
  • 00:12:52.190 --> 00:12:53.190
  • co-produce a record with Israel
  • 00:12:53.190 --> 00:12:55.100
  • Houghton and the New Breed and
  • 00:12:55.100 --> 00:12:56.220
  • we just won, well, Best Gospel
  • 00:12:56.220 --> 00:12:59.180
  • Record, I think it was, of the
  • 00:12:59.180 --> 00:13:01.040
  • Year.
  • 00:13:01.040 --> 00:13:02.000
  • And just a surreal moment when
  • 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:04.180
  • it came in and, actually, I was
  • 00:13:04.180 --> 00:13:07.010
  • out of town when it came and she
  • 00:13:07.010 --> 00:13:08.020
  • sent me a picture and it was her
  • 00:13:08.020 --> 00:13:09.250
  • and my kids holding it.
  • 00:13:09.250 --> 00:13:11.210
  • - Tina: I got to hold it first.
  • 00:13:11.210 --> 00:13:13.060
  • - Chris: And I just said,
  • 00:13:13.060 --> 00:13:14.110
  • "That's just amazing."
  • 00:13:14.110 --> 00:13:15.180
  • So it was--it's really cool.
  • 00:13:15.180 --> 00:13:17.100
  • - Sheryl: It's been years of
  • 00:13:17.100 --> 00:13:18.010
  • faithfulness and, you know,
  • 00:13:18.010 --> 00:13:19.230
  • Christine, if there's anything
  • 00:13:19.230 --> 00:13:20.240
  • I want people to know today,
  • 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:22.260
  • is that faithfulness pays off.
  • 00:13:22.260 --> 00:13:25.260
  • There's something about
  • 00:13:25.260 --> 00:13:27.100
  • being faithful.
  • 00:13:27.100 --> 00:13:28.100
  • When God finds faithfulness,
  • 00:13:28.100 --> 00:13:30.010
  • he will reward it.
  • 00:13:30.010 --> 00:13:31.180
  • You have to know--I was a high
  • 00:13:31.180 --> 00:13:33.170
  • school dropout so I shouldn't be
  • 00:13:33.170 --> 00:13:35.180
  • doing anything I'm doing.
  • 00:13:35.180 --> 00:13:36.270
  • Chris is from Turkey, North
  • 00:13:36.270 --> 00:13:39.100
  • Carolina, you know, and it's
  • 00:13:39.100 --> 00:13:41.060
  • amazing but God will find
  • 00:13:41.060 --> 00:13:43.140
  • people.
  • 00:13:43.140 --> 00:13:44.250
  • If he finds faithfulness, he
  • 00:13:44.250 --> 00:13:46.150
  • honors it so I don't know who's
  • 00:13:46.150 --> 00:13:48.050
  • watching us maybe right now but
  • 00:13:48.050 --> 00:13:50.110
  • I wanna encourage you to
  • 00:13:50.110 --> 00:13:51.130
  • whatsoever your hands find to
  • 00:13:51.130 --> 00:13:53.200
  • do, do it with all of your might
  • 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:55.230
  • as unto the Lord.
  • 00:13:55.230 --> 00:13:57.110
  • And wherever you live, even if
  • 00:13:57.110 --> 00:13:58.240
  • you live in Turkey, North
  • 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:00.090
  • Carolina, or wherever you are,
  • 00:14:00.090 --> 00:14:02.080
  • God will find you and he will
  • 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:04.020
  • reward you for what you do in
  • 00:14:04.020 --> 00:14:06.080
  • his kingdom.
  • 00:14:06.080 --> 00:14:07.070
  • - Christine: Amen, he will, he
  • 00:14:07.070 --> 00:14:08.030
  • will.
  • 00:14:08.030 --> 00:14:08.280
  • I--Turkey, North Carolina?
  • 00:14:08.280 --> 00:14:10.020
  • I did not even know that was a
  • 00:14:10.020 --> 00:14:10.260
  • place.
  • 00:14:10.260 --> 00:14:11.230
  • When she said, "Turkey," I
  • 00:14:11.230 --> 00:14:13.000
  • thought, "You don't look
  • 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:13.240
  • Turkish," that's what I
  • 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:15.020
  • literally--I was thinking, like,
  • 00:14:15.020 --> 00:14:16.200
  • of Turkey near Greece.
  • 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:17.250
  • And so I'm, like, "Okay, okay,
  • 00:14:17.250 --> 00:14:20.140
  • that's like there, okay." I'm
  • 00:14:20.140 --> 00:14:21.250
  • gonna move on, okay.
  • 00:14:21.250 --> 00:14:24.040
  • You guys, how have you--okay,
  • 00:14:24.140 --> 00:14:27.140
  • you've grown up same home and so
  • 00:14:27.140 --> 00:14:29.070
  • all three of you girls are, you
  • 00:14:29.070 --> 00:14:30.150
  • know, well, one's right with her
  • 00:14:30.150 --> 00:14:32.160
  • two babies right now, okay.
  • 00:14:32.160 --> 00:14:33.260
  • But has it been the same for
  • 00:14:33.260 --> 00:14:35.090
  • you?
  • 00:14:35.090 --> 00:14:36.080
  • How have you stayed on track and
  • 00:14:36.080 --> 00:14:37.120
  • loved God and yet grown up
  • 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:39.040
  • ministry non-stop?
  • 00:14:39.040 --> 00:14:41.140
  • - Lana: Yeah, it's a little
  • 00:14:41.140 --> 00:14:44.050
  • bit, of course, of what she
  • 00:14:44.050 --> 00:14:45.160
  • said.
  • 00:14:45.160 --> 00:14:46.050
  • We were raised with a
  • 00:14:46.050 --> 00:14:46.270
  • consciousness of purpose and
  • 00:14:46.270 --> 00:14:48.130
  • assignment but we--there was
  • 00:14:48.130 --> 00:14:50.270
  • space made for us.
  • 00:14:50.270 --> 00:14:52.040
  • We weren't just the kids in the
  • 00:14:52.040 --> 00:14:53.090
  • back seat, you know?
  • 00:14:53.090 --> 00:14:54.170
  • We--there was space made for us.
  • 00:14:54.170 --> 00:14:55.170
  • They were valued, you know.
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  • The input that we had, it was
  • 00:14:59.210 --> 00:15:02.230
  • valued and it was received and
  • 00:15:02.230 --> 00:15:04.050
  • it was used and I think, as
  • 00:15:04.050 --> 00:15:06.190
  • kids, when we add something to
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  • the table and when we see that
  • 00:15:09.010 --> 00:15:10.190
  • they take it and they're, like,
  • 00:15:10.190 --> 00:15:12.090
  • "Yeah, that's a good idea.
  • 00:15:12.090 --> 00:15:13.050
  • Let's do this," that immediately
  • 00:15:13.050 --> 00:15:14.240
  • connects me with a part of
  • 00:15:14.240 --> 00:15:15.280
  • the purpose, you know.
  • 00:15:15.280 --> 00:15:17.000
  • That connects me with a part of
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  • the assignment.
  • 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:19.190
  • things be--grow and be birthed
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  • and gifts to develop
  • 00:15:25.220 --> 00:15:28.070
  • in each of us.
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  • And so I think that when you
  • 00:15:30.100 --> 00:15:32.170
  • start young like that, you know,
  • 00:15:32.170 --> 00:15:35.010
  • and you're inclusive with your
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  • children and you allow them,
  • 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:39.010
  • like she said, we went through
  • 00:15:39.010 --> 00:15:40.210
  • the ups and through the downs
  • 00:15:40.210 --> 00:15:41.250
  • together, we've prayed together,
  • 00:15:41.250 --> 00:15:43.080
  • we've laughed together.
  • 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:44.200
  • We've grown together and I think
  • 00:15:45.110 --> 00:15:48.110
  • that when you start early and
  • 00:15:48.110 --> 00:15:50.210
  • the more that that grows, it's
  • 00:15:50.210 --> 00:15:52.230
  • much harder the older you get to
  • 00:15:52.230 --> 00:15:54.220
  • detach.
  • 00:15:54.220 --> 00:15:56.020
  • There's something in me that
  • 00:15:56.020 --> 00:15:57.070
  • will not allow me to leave my
  • 00:15:57.070 --> 00:15:58.270
  • assignment, you know?
  • 00:15:58.270 --> 00:16:00.230
  • Because I know that I am called
  • 00:16:00.230 --> 00:16:02.210
  • to that and I add value to this
  • 00:16:02.210 --> 00:16:04.200
  • ministry.
  • 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:06.060
  • - Christine: That is--I hope
  • 00:16:06.060 --> 00:16:07.280
  • you're all listening.
  • 00:16:07.280 --> 00:16:08.210
  • I've got two daughters so, as
  • 00:16:08.210 --> 00:16:09.210
  • you're talking, I'm in--I'm
  • 00:16:09.210 --> 00:16:11.060
  • praying in the spirit on the
  • 00:16:11.060 --> 00:16:12.060
  • inside, going, "God, I'm
  • 00:16:12.060 --> 00:16:13.190
  • claiming this.
  • 00:16:13.190 --> 00:16:14.120
  • I'm claiming--" And you just
  • 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:15.200
  • said some beautiful things too.
  • 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:16.230
  • I mean, there were so many
  • 00:16:16.230 --> 00:16:17.220
  • incredible parenting tips that I
  • 00:16:17.220 --> 00:16:19.040
  • hope you heard just in that
  • 00:16:19.040 --> 00:16:20.050
  • about there was room made for
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  • us.
  • 00:16:21.150 --> 00:16:22.180
  • We were included in all--I mean,
  • 00:16:22.180 --> 00:16:24.040
  • I'm taking notes in my head,
  • 00:16:24.040 --> 00:16:25.200
  • going, "This is, like, so
  • 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:27.040
  • powerful," because I want my
  • 00:16:27.040 --> 00:16:28.060
  • kids to stay the journey as well
  • 00:16:28.060 --> 00:16:29.160
  • and to love it all along the
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  • way.
  • 00:16:31.110 --> 00:16:31.290
  • So your family inspires me
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  • greatly in the midst of that.
  • 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:34.160
  • But that feeling heard and
  • 00:16:34.160 --> 00:16:36.020
  • feeling valued is, obviously,
  • 00:16:36.020 --> 00:16:37.090
  • really, really important.
  • 00:16:37.090 --> 00:16:38.210
  • - Lana: Yes, very.
  • 00:16:38.210 --> 00:16:39.250
  • - Christine: And I don't know,
  • 00:16:39.250 --> 00:16:40.210
  • how did you two meet?
  • 00:16:40.210 --> 00:16:41.230
  • - Lana: In church.
  • 00:16:41.230 --> 00:16:42.210
  • - Christine: I mean, you,
  • 00:16:42.210 --> 00:16:43.210
  • obviously, still, you're still
  • 00:16:43.210 --> 00:16:44.220
  • waiting for him to get saved.
  • 00:16:44.220 --> 00:16:45.190
  • But I'm just like, yeah, okay,
  • 00:16:45.190 --> 00:16:46.250
  • we're all praying.
  • 00:16:46.250 --> 00:16:47.220
  • - Marc: Before I said that, I
  • 00:16:47.220 --> 00:16:48.280
  • have--I'm producing a bluegrass
  • 00:16:48.280 --> 00:16:51.020
  • album so I may be on the show
  • 00:16:51.020 --> 00:16:53.270
  • for a Grammy.
  • 00:16:53.270 --> 00:16:55.200
  • Probably not.
  • 00:16:55.200 --> 00:16:57.160
  • We were both in youth ministry
  • 00:16:57.160 --> 00:16:58.280
  • and we met at church and then
  • 00:16:58.280 --> 00:17:01.160
  • we, you know, decided we wanted
  • 00:17:01.160 --> 00:17:03.160
  • to start dating as we were at
  • 00:17:03.160 --> 00:17:05.020
  • this youth camp together.
  • 00:17:05.020 --> 00:17:07.060
  • And so, you know, next thing I
  • 00:17:07.090 --> 00:17:10.090
  • know I moved to Raleigh to start
  • 00:17:10.090 --> 00:17:12.070
  • working at her parents' church
  • 00:17:12.070 --> 00:17:13.280
  • in youth ministry and we did it
  • 00:17:13.280 --> 00:17:16.010
  • together.
  • 00:17:16.010 --> 00:17:17.020
  • And, you know, not all of the
  • 00:17:17.020 --> 00:17:18.200
  • kids went through counseling
  • 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:19.180
  • afterwards.
  • 00:17:19.180 --> 00:17:20.210
  • A lot of them were still fully
  • 00:17:20.210 --> 00:17:22.090
  • functional afterwards.
  • 00:17:22.090 --> 00:17:24.090
  • But I think for us, you know,
  • 00:17:24.090 --> 00:17:26.210
  • and we talk about, you know,
  • 00:17:26.210 --> 00:17:28.130
  • what everybody's saying about
  • 00:17:28.130 --> 00:17:30.030
  • purpose is I think, and I can
  • 00:17:30.030 --> 00:17:31.040
  • say this for everybody that's
  • 00:17:31.040 --> 00:17:32.090
  • sitting up here with me, is that
  • 00:17:32.090 --> 00:17:33.180
  • we all served in church before
  • 00:17:33.180 --> 00:17:35.290
  • we knew that there was an
  • 00:17:35.290 --> 00:17:37.150
  • occupation that you could
  • 00:17:37.150 --> 00:17:39.000
  • actually get paid to do work in
  • 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:41.030
  • a church.
  • 00:17:41.030 --> 00:17:41.240
  • This was, you know, we did
  • 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:43.070
  • everything you can imagine.
  • 00:17:43.070 --> 00:17:44.140
  • And we said, "Yes," so many
  • 00:17:44.140 --> 00:17:45.290
  • times until things opened up in
  • 00:17:45.290 --> 00:17:47.190
  • our lives and so we were the
  • 00:17:47.190 --> 00:17:49.130
  • youth pastors first but now I do
  • 00:17:49.130 --> 00:17:50.190
  • social media and marketing and
  • 00:17:51.150 --> 00:17:54.150
  • all those things that are brand
  • 00:17:54.150 --> 00:17:55.240
  • new that we didn't even know
  • 00:17:55.240 --> 00:17:56.260
  • were there but I started off
  • 00:17:56.260 --> 00:17:59.110
  • duplicating VCR tapes and tapes
  • 00:17:59.120 --> 00:18:02.140
  • in her ministry for a while.
  • 00:18:02.140 --> 00:18:04.100
  • And we had this elaborate--
  • 00:18:04.100 --> 00:18:05.240
  • - Sheryl: I feel very old right
  • 00:18:05.240 --> 00:18:06.170
  • now.
  • 00:18:06.170 --> 00:18:07.040
  • Thank you.
  • 00:18:07.040 --> 00:18:08.080
  • - Christine: Half the people
  • 00:18:08.080 --> 00:18:09.070
  • watching this do not even know
  • 00:18:09.070 --> 00:18:10.020
  • what a VCR tape is.
  • 00:18:10.020 --> 00:18:11.030
  • - Marc: We had this, like,
  • 00:18:11.030 --> 00:18:11.270
  • elaborate system where, you
  • 00:18:11.270 --> 00:18:13.040
  • know, it would all be stacked up
  • 00:18:13.040 --> 00:18:14.120
  • and you'd hit the button at the
  • 00:18:14.120 --> 00:18:15.060
  • same time and it recorded.
  • 00:18:15.060 --> 00:18:16.200
  • But through that, I would always
  • 00:18:16.200 --> 00:18:18.120
  • say, "Yes," and try to learn
  • 00:18:18.120 --> 00:18:19.220
  • something new and, through that,
  • 00:18:20.290 --> 00:18:23.290
  • God opened up doors for me to do
  • 00:18:24.080 --> 00:18:27.080
  • things of what I'm doing now,
  • 00:18:27.080 --> 00:18:28.200
  • and now I'm able to touch people
  • 00:18:28.200 --> 00:18:30.270
  • through digital mediums that I
  • 00:18:30.270 --> 00:18:32.090
  • didn't have a clue that I was
  • 00:18:32.090 --> 00:18:33.190
  • learning when I was touching VCR
  • 00:18:33.190 --> 00:18:35.080
  • tapes and learning that and
  • 00:18:35.080 --> 00:18:36.200
  • hearing verse, yeah, it's
  • 00:18:36.200 --> 00:18:39.030
  • revealed in increments.
  • 00:18:39.030 --> 00:18:41.040
  • - Christine: I love that.
  • 00:18:41.040 --> 00:18:42.140
  • Marc, you said something which I
  • 00:18:42.140 --> 00:18:43.170
  • wonder, Sheryl, if you're
  • 00:18:43.170 --> 00:18:44.220
  • seeing.
  • 00:18:44.220 --> 00:18:45.140
  • You made the reference, my
  • 00:18:45.140 --> 00:18:46.190
  • language around this is that we
  • 00:18:46.190 --> 00:18:47.280
  • followed a calling before we
  • 00:18:48.050 --> 00:18:51.050
  • knew there was a career.
  • 00:18:51.050 --> 00:18:52.210
  • And there's an interesting thing
  • 00:18:52.210 --> 00:18:54.110
  • that as I travel I think,
  • 00:18:54.110 --> 00:18:56.080
  • "Some of the things I'm hearing,
  • 00:18:56.080 --> 00:18:57.210
  • they're like, this is a career,
  • 00:18:57.210 --> 00:18:59.170
  • not a calling."
  • 00:18:59.170 --> 00:19:00.180
  • Like, have you picked up--
  • 00:19:00.180 --> 00:19:01.110
  • - Sheryl: But then you have
  • 00:19:01.110 --> 00:19:02.050
  • career criminals, that's what we
  • 00:19:02.050 --> 00:19:03.000
  • have so much of in the church
  • 00:19:03.000 --> 00:19:04.050
  • today.
  • 00:19:04.050 --> 00:19:05.060
  • Because they're not, they may
  • 00:19:05.060 --> 00:19:06.210
  • not be called to it but it looks
  • 00:19:06.210 --> 00:19:07.160
  • like an easy way to make a
  • 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:09.060
  • living.
  • 00:19:09.060 --> 00:19:10.020
  • But the--and for some, they may
  • 00:19:10.020 --> 00:19:12.100
  • think it's great money.
  • 00:19:12.100 --> 00:19:13.210
  • But when you really do your job
  • 00:19:13.210 --> 00:19:15.030
  • right in the kingdom nobody can
  • 00:19:15.030 --> 00:19:17.020
  • ever pay you enough because it's
  • 00:19:17.020 --> 00:19:18.280
  • not a 9 to 5.
  • 00:19:18.280 --> 00:19:20.250
  • It really is a 24/7.
  • 00:19:20.250 --> 00:19:23.150
  • You get up under what I call the
  • 00:19:23.150 --> 00:19:24.160
  • different from--that's how you
  • 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:28.190
  • can tell when somebody's called
  • 00:19:28.190 --> 00:19:29.230
  • to it and when somebody's just
  • 00:19:29.230 --> 00:19:30.290
  • making a career out of it.
  • 00:19:30.290 --> 00:19:32.170
  • Because when you get up under
  • 00:19:32.170 --> 00:19:33.240
  • that burden of the Lord, you lay
  • 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:34.220
  • down at night and you should be
  • 00:19:34.220 --> 00:19:36.110
  • able to go to sleep but you
  • 00:19:36.110 --> 00:19:37.140
  • can't because God will put faces
  • 00:19:37.140 --> 00:19:40.060
  • in front of you, he'll
  • 00:19:40.060 --> 00:19:41.200
  • put--he'll make you feel
  • 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:42.280
  • people's burdens.
  • 00:19:42.280 --> 00:19:44.070
  • And you carry that.
  • 00:19:44.070 --> 00:19:45.170
  • And it's just by the grace of
  • 00:19:45.170 --> 00:19:47.140
  • God that you're able to say,
  • 00:19:47.140 --> 00:19:49.090
  • "Lord, I just commit it to you."
  • 00:19:49.090 --> 00:19:51.030
  • But it's not a 24--it's not a
  • 00:19:51.030 --> 00:19:52.270
  • 5-day-a-week calling.
  • 00:19:52.270 --> 00:19:54.190
  • It's a 24/7.
  • 00:19:54.190 --> 00:19:56.160
  • You have to be liquid.
  • 00:19:56.160 --> 00:19:57.170
  • It's not just--it's not just,
  • 00:19:57.170 --> 00:19:59.070
  • "Oh, yes, I perform when the
  • 00:19:59.070 --> 00:20:01.040
  • mic's in my hand."
  • 00:20:01.040 --> 00:20:02.160
  • up, if there's trash on the
  • 00:20:04.260 --> 00:20:06.070
  • floor, if there's somebody
  • 00:20:06.070 --> 00:20:08.230
  • that's hurting.
  • 00:20:08.230 --> 00:20:09.270
  • I need to know how to pray, and
  • 00:20:09.270 --> 00:20:11.140
  • I need to know how to contact
  • 00:20:11.140 --> 00:20:13.090
  • God.
  • 00:20:13.090 --> 00:20:14.010
  • And so it's--you get--all of
  • 00:20:14.010 --> 00:20:15.290
  • that is ministry.
  • 00:20:15.290 --> 00:20:17.170
  • It's not just what you see on
  • 00:20:17.170 --> 00:20:19.060
  • the platform.
  • 00:20:19.060 --> 00:20:20.060
  • - Christine: It's so powerful.
  • 00:20:20.060 --> 00:20:20.280
  • Yeah, and God never called us to
  • 00:20:20.280 --> 00:20:21.260
  • a career anyway.
  • 00:20:21.260 --> 00:20:22.220
  • He calls us.
  • 00:20:22.220 --> 00:20:24.080
  • It's our calling.
  • 00:20:24.080 --> 00:20:25.000
  • I don't hear a lot of teaching
  • 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:26.110
  • about calling in this and I've
  • 00:20:26.110 --> 00:20:28.000
  • been thinking about it a lot,
  • 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:29.080
  • going, "How do you, I mean, you
  • 00:20:29.080 --> 00:20:31.050
  • can say no to a call but you
  • 00:20:31.050 --> 00:20:32.200
  • can't--I don't think you can
  • 00:20:32.200 --> 00:20:35.090
  • dismiss it."
  • 00:20:35.090 --> 00:20:36.020
  • I think even if you say,
  • 00:20:36.020 --> 00:20:37.050
  • "No," it sort of comes
  • 00:20:37.050 --> 00:20:38.180
  • after you non-stop.
  • 00:20:38.180 --> 00:20:39.210
  • - Sheryl: There's a passion
  • 00:20:39.210 --> 00:20:40.130
  • that's attached to it and, even
  • 00:20:40.130 --> 00:20:41.290
  • if you don't pay me, I'm gonna
  • 00:20:41.290 --> 00:20:43.010
  • do it because of my passion.
  • 00:20:43.010 --> 00:20:44.200
  • And I can even tell--sometimes
  • 00:20:44.200 --> 00:20:46.100
  • you might even have
  • 00:20:46.100 --> 00:20:47.100
  • conversations with yourself
  • 00:20:47.100 --> 00:20:48.160
  • that say, "Okay, I'm not doing
  • 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:49.280
  • this today.
  • 00:20:49.280 --> 00:20:51.130
  • I'm not doing this.
  • 00:20:51.130 --> 00:20:52.240
  • God, I'm not getting under
  • 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:54.120
  • the burden of the Lord today.
  • 00:20:54.120 --> 00:20:56.120
  • It's my day off," you know?
  • 00:20:56.120 --> 00:20:58.120
  • But even then, you find yourself
  • 00:20:58.120 --> 00:21:00.280
  • up doing it because it's, like,
  • 00:21:00.280 --> 00:21:03.080
  • it's intrinsic in you.
  • 00:21:03.080 --> 00:21:05.160
  • - Christine: I think that, you
  • 00:21:05.160 --> 00:21:06.230
  • know, people say, "Chris, how
  • 00:21:06.230 --> 00:21:07.290
  • did you do this, 25 shows?"
  • 00:21:07.290 --> 00:21:09.130
  • I go, "You know, it takes 30
  • 00:21:09.130 --> 00:21:11.100
  • years of Hillsong conferences."
  • 00:21:11.100 --> 00:21:13.100
  • I'm thinking the Hillsong
  • 00:21:13.100 --> 00:21:14.070
  • conferences, the 5-day
  • 00:21:14.070 --> 00:21:15.080
  • conference that we would be
  • 00:21:15.080 --> 00:21:16.090
  • there at, like, 7 in the morning
  • 00:21:16.090 --> 00:21:17.290
  • and leave at 11 at night and you
  • 00:21:17.290 --> 00:21:19.020
  • just feel--you go, "What else
  • 00:21:19.020 --> 00:21:20.080
  • would I do?"
  • 00:21:20.080 --> 00:21:22.030
  • At the end of the day, like, I
  • 00:21:22.030 --> 00:21:23.090
  • don't know.
  • 00:21:23.090 --> 00:21:24.020
  • So now, at 50, I have got this
  • 00:21:24.020 --> 00:21:25.250
  • stamina and resilience when I'm
  • 00:21:25.250 --> 00:21:27.250
  • not even really tired because I
  • 00:21:27.250 --> 00:21:29.150
  • go, "Well, it's all I've known
  • 00:21:29.150 --> 00:21:30.230
  • and I love it."
  • 00:21:30.230 --> 00:21:32.130
  • And no one has
  • 00:21:32.130 --> 00:21:33.100
  • to make me do it.
  • 00:21:33.100 --> 00:21:34.090
  • No one--I'm saying to them,
  • 00:21:34.090 --> 00:21:35.140
  • "No, c'mon, let's do another.
  • 00:21:35.140 --> 00:21:36.250
  • We can do--"
  • 00:21:36.250 --> 00:21:37.140
  • And it's that internal drive.
  • 00:21:37.140 --> 00:21:39.220
  • It's the call--it's still
  • 00:21:39.220 --> 00:21:41.070
  • that tug of the Holy Spirit.
  • 00:21:41.070 --> 00:21:42.060
  • He's still--and I don't ever
  • 00:21:42.060 --> 00:21:43.100
  • wanna lose that.
  • 00:21:43.100 --> 00:21:44.090
  • - Sheryl: And it's the
  • 00:21:44.090 --> 00:21:44.290
  • assignment.
  • 00:21:44.290 --> 00:21:45.180
  • You've got grace to do the
  • 00:21:45.180 --> 00:21:46.130
  • assignment.
  • 00:21:46.130 --> 00:21:47.050
  • - Christine: I love it.
  • 00:21:47.050 --> 00:21:47.280
  • There's a grace for an
  • 00:21:47.280 --> 00:21:48.230
  • assignment.
  • 00:21:48.230 --> 00:21:49.160
  • Okay, so apart from making
  • 00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:50.100
  • babies, which is obviously what
  • 00:21:50.100 --> 00:21:53.070
  • you're very good at, tell us
  • 00:21:54.150 --> 00:21:57.150
  • a little bit--I wanna know,
  • 00:21:57.150 --> 00:22:00.050
  • Travis, how have you kind of
  • 00:22:00.050 --> 00:22:01.050
  • landed in what you're doing and
  • 00:22:01.050 --> 00:22:02.280
  • you're a really bright young
  • 00:22:02.280 --> 00:22:04.140
  • man.
  • 00:22:04.140 --> 00:22:05.060
  • I think God has called you for
  • 00:22:05.060 --> 00:22:06.070
  • your generation and I certainly
  • 00:22:06.070 --> 00:22:08.030
  • wanna look--we're talking legacy
  • 00:22:08.030 --> 00:22:09.200
  • now, we're talking family.
  • 00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:11.200
  • Two things that the enemy has
  • 00:22:11.200 --> 00:22:12.200
  • come after big time: family and
  • 00:22:12.200 --> 00:22:14.130
  • legacy, in this whole
  • 00:22:14.130 --> 00:22:15.240
  • generation.
  • 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:16.280
  • So when I see both of those
  • 00:22:16.280 --> 00:22:18.190
  • things working together, I'm
  • 00:22:18.190 --> 00:22:20.000
  • like, "I want people to see it
  • 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:21.120
  • all over the world because I
  • 00:22:21.120 --> 00:22:22.280
  • want you to know God is
  • 00:22:22.280 --> 00:22:23.210
  • working."
  • 00:22:23.210 --> 00:22:24.210
  • And that, you know,
  • 00:22:24.210 --> 00:22:25.240
  • sometimes the devil gets so much
  • 00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:27.140
  • limelight that we think,
  • 00:22:27.140 --> 00:22:28.240
  • "Is anything happening?
  • 00:22:28.240 --> 00:22:30.000
  • Are any families intact?
  • 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:31.110
  • Is there any legacies being
  • 00:22:31.110 --> 00:22:32.100
  • left?"
  • 00:22:32.100 --> 00:22:33.020
  • And I'm saying, "Yes, and amen,
  • 00:22:33.020 --> 00:22:34.060
  • it is happening."
  • 00:22:34.060 --> 00:22:34.290
  • And I wanna be telling some
  • 00:22:34.290 --> 00:22:35.270
  • of those good stories,
  • 00:22:35.270 --> 00:22:36.280
  • not just all the
  • 00:22:36.280 --> 00:22:37.280
  • negative stories.
  • 00:22:37.280 --> 00:22:38.210
  • So talk a little bit about how
  • 00:22:38.210 --> 00:22:39.290
  • you got to be doing what you're
  • 00:22:39.290 --> 00:22:41.000
  • doing.
  • 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:41.200
  • - Travis: Yes, so, I mean, we
  • 00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:42.230
  • can kind of rewind to 18 years
  • 00:22:42.230 --> 00:22:44.110
  • old.
  • 00:22:44.110 --> 00:22:45.000
  • I was called by God, like you
  • 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:47.070
  • guys were talking about call at
  • 00:22:47.070 --> 00:22:48.100
  • 18 years old on my college
  • 00:22:48.100 --> 00:22:51.000
  • campus.
  • 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:52.130
  • And everyone in my family, you
  • 00:22:52.130 --> 00:22:54.110
  • know, my father's a pastor and
  • 00:22:54.110 --> 00:22:55.180
  • all that kind of stuff.
  • 00:22:55.180 --> 00:22:56.150
  • I grew up in church.
  • 00:22:56.150 --> 00:22:57.130
  • this track.
  • 00:22:59.170 --> 00:23:00.220
  • This wasn't--I was going
  • 00:23:00.220 --> 00:23:01.230
  • into education.
  • 00:23:01.230 --> 00:23:02.220
  • I had a whole different
  • 00:23:02.220 --> 00:23:03.280
  • career path.
  • 00:23:03.280 --> 00:23:04.260
  • But God called me and so how I
  • 00:23:04.260 --> 00:23:06.030
  • got to North Carolina, to
  • 00:23:06.030 --> 00:23:07.270
  • meeting this wonderful family,
  • 00:23:07.270 --> 00:23:10.090
  • is I went to seminary
  • 00:23:10.090 --> 00:23:12.180
  • in North Carolina at Duke.
  • 00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:15.240
  • education, I was thirsty for
  • 00:23:18.050 --> 00:23:20.120
  • a sound.
  • 00:23:20.120 --> 00:23:21.210
  • And it wasn't where I didn't
  • 00:23:22.030 --> 00:23:25.030
  • hear the sound where I was.
  • 00:23:25.030 --> 00:23:27.060
  • I got my education but I was
  • 00:23:27.060 --> 00:23:29.040
  • searching for a sound.
  • 00:23:29.040 --> 00:23:30.140
  • And when I walked into that
  • 00:23:30.140 --> 00:23:31.230
  • church the first day, I said,
  • 00:23:31.230 --> 00:23:34.010
  • "This is the sound that my heart
  • 00:23:34.010 --> 00:23:35.160
  • has been crying for.
  • 00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:37.060
  • This is the worship that I've
  • 00:23:37.060 --> 00:23:38.080
  • been--" I had no idea I would be
  • 00:23:38.080 --> 00:23:40.190
  • their son-in-law, I had no idea
  • 00:23:40.190 --> 00:23:42.180
  • we would have such beautiful
  • 00:23:42.180 --> 00:23:45.040
  • babies, I had no idea I would be
  • 00:23:45.040 --> 00:23:47.050
  • doing any of this, be in Texas.
  • 00:23:47.050 --> 00:23:49.070
  • I had no idea.
  • 00:23:49.070 --> 00:23:51.040
  • But it was that sound, that
  • 00:23:51.040 --> 00:23:52.220
  • legacy that they had already
  • 00:23:52.220 --> 00:23:55.060
  • established in that church in
  • 00:23:55.060 --> 00:23:57.030
  • North Carolina, that spoke to
  • 00:23:57.030 --> 00:23:59.060
  • my spirit.
  • 00:23:59.060 --> 00:24:00.090
  • And I knew that that was
  • 00:24:00.090 --> 00:24:01.290
  • the place.
  • 00:24:01.290 --> 00:24:02.160
  • So I went to school there but I
  • 00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:04.090
  • start on Mondays, when I was out
  • 00:24:04.090 --> 00:24:06.140
  • of school, actually vacuuming
  • 00:24:06.140 --> 00:24:09.100
  • the church, yeah.
  • 00:24:09.100 --> 00:24:11.120
  • They needed a volunteer on
  • 00:24:11.120 --> 00:24:12.250
  • Mondays so I would come and
  • 00:24:12.250 --> 00:24:14.150
  • vacuum the whole sanctuary
  • 00:24:14.150 --> 00:24:16.000
  • and clean up the sanctuary with
  • 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:16.280
  • the janitorial service because
  • 00:24:16.280 --> 00:24:18.070
  • serving is a part of who we are.
  • 00:24:18.070 --> 00:24:20.200
  • I grew up serving.
  • 00:24:20.200 --> 00:24:22.000
  • I grew up in my father's church,
  • 00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:23.190
  • in my great-grandfather's--my
  • 00:24:23.190 --> 00:24:24.230
  • great-uncle's church, serving in
  • 00:24:24.230 --> 00:24:26.200
  • the church.
  • 00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:27.240
  • I grew up doing that so,
  • 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:29.060
  • actually, this was an easy fit
  • 00:24:29.170 --> 00:24:32.170
  • for me because I felt the
  • 00:24:32.170 --> 00:24:34.110
  • service, I felt the love, I felt
  • 00:24:34.110 --> 00:24:35.180
  • the passion, I felt the hunger
  • 00:24:35.180 --> 00:24:38.010
  • and the thirst for just God and
  • 00:24:38.010 --> 00:24:39.180
  • to see God's people being
  • 00:24:39.180 --> 00:24:41.120
  • blessed.
  • 00:24:41.120 --> 00:24:42.060
  • - Christine: Beautiful.
  • 00:24:42.060 --> 00:24:42.250
  • - Sheryl: He got my attention
  • 00:24:42.250 --> 00:24:44.140
  • because he was, like, he was the
  • 00:24:44.140 --> 00:24:45.230
  • one sitting in the back and he
  • 00:24:45.230 --> 00:24:47.150
  • was just dancing and worshiping,
  • 00:24:47.150 --> 00:24:48.220
  • and I'm, like, "Who is that guy
  • 00:24:48.280 --> 00:24:51.280
  • in the back to make all of
  • 00:24:51.280 --> 00:24:53.130
  • that?"
  • 00:24:53.130 --> 00:24:54.090
  • But it was Travis.
  • 00:24:54.090 --> 00:24:55.090
  • You had a passion.
  • 00:24:55.090 --> 00:24:56.130
  • - Travis: And I think that
  • 00:24:56.130 --> 00:24:57.200
  • there's something missing with
  • 00:24:57.200 --> 00:24:58.270
  • our generation is that so many
  • 00:24:58.270 --> 00:25:00.280
  • of us are looking for preference
  • 00:25:00.280 --> 00:25:03.100
  • and not purpose.
  • 00:25:03.100 --> 00:25:04.180
  • So we attach ourselves to a
  • 00:25:04.180 --> 00:25:06.080
  • certain preference so it has to
  • 00:25:06.080 --> 00:25:08.040
  • be this way, it has to be
  • 00:25:08.040 --> 00:25:09.230
  • perfect, it has to be this, the
  • 00:25:09.230 --> 00:25:11.060
  • lights have to be this way, the
  • 00:25:11.060 --> 00:25:12.210
  • lights have to be that way.
  • 00:25:12.210 --> 00:25:13.270
  • But what about the purpose
  • 00:25:13.270 --> 00:25:15.060
  • because when your preference
  • 00:25:15.060 --> 00:25:16.130
  • ceases or things are not just
  • 00:25:16.130 --> 00:25:19.030
  • exactly, exactly the way you
  • 00:25:19.030 --> 00:25:21.220
  • want them to be, do you have a
  • 00:25:21.220 --> 00:25:23.040
  • purpose?
  • 00:25:23.040 --> 00:25:24.010
  • Do you have something that you
  • 00:25:24.010 --> 00:25:25.030
  • have internally?
  • 00:25:25.030 --> 00:25:26.260
  • The Holy Spirit that's gonna
  • 00:25:26.260 --> 00:25:28.170
  • lead you and guide you through
  • 00:25:28.170 --> 00:25:29.210
  • every storm, through every
  • 00:25:29.210 --> 00:25:31.040
  • trial?
  • 00:25:31.040 --> 00:25:31.260
  • And that sound, and I dunno why
  • 00:25:31.260 --> 00:25:33.070
  • I'm talking about that sound,
  • 00:25:33.070 --> 00:25:34.170
  • but it was the sound that
  • 00:25:34.170 --> 00:25:36.080
  • connected me.
  • 00:25:36.080 --> 00:25:37.100
  • I didn't know anybody.
  • 00:25:37.100 --> 00:25:38.230
  • I didn't know them.
  • 00:25:38.230 --> 00:25:40.020
  • I saw them at conferences or
  • 00:25:40.020 --> 00:25:42.120
  • whatever but I didn't know them
  • 00:25:42.120 --> 00:25:44.140
  • and they brought me in
  • 00:25:44.140 --> 00:25:46.150
  • to this family.
  • 00:25:46.150 --> 00:25:47.150
  • I didn't--Nina and I, we--she
  • 00:25:47.150 --> 00:25:48.220
  • served with her father's
  • 00:25:48.220 --> 00:25:51.060
  • ministry, you know, doing some
  • 00:25:51.060 --> 00:25:53.050
  • administrative work.
  • 00:25:53.050 --> 00:25:55.020
  • We didn't date for--I was dating
  • 00:25:55.020 --> 00:25:56.110
  • some--you know, she was dating
  • 00:25:56.110 --> 00:25:58.080
  • somebody, I was dating somebody.
  • 00:25:58.080 --> 00:25:59.080
  • But God drew us together.
  • 00:25:59.080 --> 00:26:01.250
  • You know, 2 years in, God just
  • 00:26:01.250 --> 00:26:04.050
  • kinda drew us together and it's
  • 00:26:04.050 --> 00:26:05.280
  • been amazing ever since.
  • 00:26:05.280 --> 00:26:08.150
  • - Christine: You just--you've
  • 00:26:08.150 --> 00:26:09.240
  • got me captivated with that, you
  • 00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:11.210
  • know, like, there's a sound
  • 00:26:11.210 --> 00:26:12.230
  • because I'm thinking--how old
  • 00:26:12.230 --> 00:26:13.230
  • are you?
  • 00:26:13.230 --> 00:26:14.270
  • - Travis: I'm 33.
  • 00:26:14.270 --> 00:26:16.030
  • - Christine: So you are still a
  • 00:26:16.030 --> 00:26:16.250
  • millennial?
  • 00:26:16.250 --> 00:26:17.180
  • - Travis: Yeah.
  • 00:26:17.180 --> 00:26:18.060
  • - Christine: Yes, you are.
  • 00:26:18.060 --> 00:26:18.260
  • 'Cause I was just thinking,
  • 00:26:18.260 --> 00:26:19.160
  • like, I'm just trying to work
  • 00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:20.070
  • out the years.
  • 00:26:20.070 --> 00:26:21.240
  • I mean, to hear a young person
  • 00:26:21.240 --> 00:26:23.010
  • talk about looking for a sound
  • 00:26:23.010 --> 00:26:24.080
  • because I'm not sure that
  • 00:26:24.080 --> 00:26:25.230
  • there's a generation listening
  • 00:26:25.230 --> 00:26:26.250
  • for a sound.
  • 00:26:26.250 --> 00:26:27.220
  • I think there's a generation
  • 00:26:27.220 --> 00:26:28.230
  • looking for a spotlight, but not
  • 00:26:28.230 --> 00:26:29.270
  • listening for a sound, and so
  • 00:26:29.270 --> 00:26:31.020
  • I'm just--you've just captivated
  • 00:26:31.020 --> 00:26:32.210
  • me right there in that sense.
  • 00:26:32.210 --> 00:26:35.040
  • So then, what kind of happened?
  • 00:26:35.040 --> 00:26:37.040
  • Did you know what God had called
  • 00:26:37.040 --> 00:26:39.000
  • you to do?
  • 00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:39.260
  • - Travis: Yeah, I kinda had a
  • 00:26:39.260 --> 00:26:41.030
  • sense back in college because my
  • 00:26:41.030 --> 00:26:42.230
  • educational track kinda pulled
  • 00:26:42.230 --> 00:26:44.120
  • me into religion and philosophy,
  • 00:26:44.120 --> 00:26:46.150
  • so I wanted to know more about
  • 00:26:46.150 --> 00:26:48.030
  • the church.
  • 00:26:48.030 --> 00:26:48.250
  • I grew up in a small rural
  • 00:26:48.250 --> 00:26:50.040
  • church and we knew church but
  • 00:26:50.040 --> 00:26:51.080
  • I wanted to know the history.
  • 00:26:51.080 --> 00:26:52.130
  • I wanted to know the legacy.
  • 00:26:52.130 --> 00:26:54.060
  • I wanted to know the--why am I
  • 00:26:54.060 --> 00:26:56.190
  • a protestant?
  • 00:26:56.190 --> 00:26:57.130
  • I wanted to know all of those
  • 00:26:57.130 --> 00:26:59.060
  • boring things to kind of, to
  • 00:26:59.060 --> 00:27:00.120
  • the church.
  • 00:27:00.120 --> 00:27:01.120
  • Now, I wanted to know my
  • 00:27:01.120 --> 00:27:02.110
  • history.
  • 00:27:02.110 --> 00:27:03.020
  • If I'm gonna be a Christian, I
  • 00:27:03.020 --> 00:27:04.160
  • wanted to know the history.
  • 00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:05.200
  • I wanted to know my legacy,
  • 00:27:05.200 --> 00:27:07.160
  • beyond the local church I was a
  • 00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:08.280
  • part of, I wanted to know that
  • 00:27:08.280 --> 00:27:10.130
  • legacy.
  • 00:27:10.130 --> 00:27:11.060
  • I wanted to know about Paul.
  • 00:27:11.060 --> 00:27:12.290
  • I wanted to know about Peter.
  • 00:27:12.290 --> 00:27:14.030
  • I wanted to know about these
  • 00:27:14.030 --> 00:27:15.050
  • things.
  • 00:27:15.050 --> 00:27:15.220
  • And that kinda drew me in, you
  • 00:27:15.220 --> 00:27:17.210
  • know, to this path of purpose
  • 00:27:17.210 --> 00:27:19.030
  • and I wanted to--it's called
  • 00:27:19.030 --> 00:27:20.270
  • leverage.
  • 00:27:20.270 --> 00:27:21.200
  • It's called leverage.
  • 00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:23.030
  • I--Chris and I always had this
  • 00:27:23.030 --> 00:27:24.210
  • conversation 'cause there was
  • 00:27:24.210 --> 00:27:26.020
  • times I wanted to quit seminary,
  • 00:27:26.020 --> 00:27:28.090
  • you know what I'm saying?
  • 00:27:28.090 --> 00:27:29.000
  • There's times, you know, 15-page
  • 00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:30.060
  • paper, those 30-pager, I wanted
  • 00:27:30.060 --> 00:27:31.140
  • just quit.
  • 00:27:31.140 --> 00:27:32.130
  • I just wanted to give up.
  • 00:27:32.130 --> 00:27:33.170
  • Chris said, "Absolutely not.
  • 00:27:33.170 --> 00:27:34.270
  • You will not give up because
  • 00:27:34.270 --> 00:27:35.290
  • it's leverage."
  • 00:27:35.290 --> 00:27:36.280
  • Because you can be in
  • 00:27:36.280 --> 00:27:37.220
  • this world, this
  • 00:27:37.220 --> 00:27:38.250
  • charismatic world, this
  • 00:27:38.250 --> 00:27:39.240
  • Pentecostal world, that is about
  • 00:27:39.240 --> 00:27:42.140
  • intellect, but it's about power.
  • 00:27:42.140 --> 00:27:44.120
  • But then you can also be in this
  • 00:27:44.120 --> 00:27:46.010
  • academic world, all at the same
  • 00:27:46.010 --> 00:27:48.010
  • time, that appreciates something
  • 00:27:48.030 --> 00:27:51.030
  • completely different.
  • 00:27:51.030 --> 00:27:52.130
  • So don't--you have to have both.
  • 00:27:52.130 --> 00:27:54.000
  • In this generation, you have to
  • 00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:55.030
  • have both and.
  • 00:27:55.030 --> 00:27:56.070
  • You can't just have one or the
  • 00:27:56.070 --> 00:27:58.000
  • other.
  • 00:27:58.000 --> 00:27:58.180
  • You have to have both and.
  • 00:27:58.180 --> 00:27:59.210
  • And so I appreciated him saying,
  • 00:27:59.210 --> 00:28:01.030
  • for not letting me give up, you
  • 00:28:01.030 --> 00:28:03.230
  • know.
  • 00:28:03.230 --> 00:28:04.210
  • - Christine: Which is awes--so
  • 00:28:04.210 --> 00:28:06.100
  • when did you guys meet?
  • 00:28:06.100 --> 00:28:07.220
  • - Chris: We met, well, I mean,
  • 00:28:07.220 --> 00:28:10.160
  • it was at church, again.
  • 00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:11.210
  • - Travis: At church, like
  • 00:28:11.210 --> 00:28:12.150
  • everywhere else.
  • 00:28:12.150 --> 00:28:13.130
  • - Christine: And were you
  • 00:28:13.130 --> 00:28:15.140
  • already doing--were you doing
  • 00:28:15.140 --> 00:28:16.170
  • music?
  • 00:28:16.170 --> 00:28:17.070
  • What were you doing?
  • 00:28:17.070 --> 00:28:17.260
  • - Chris: I was doing music at
  • 00:28:17.260 --> 00:28:18.190
  • the church so I came first and
  • 00:28:18.190 --> 00:28:20.180
  • Marc came a little bit after I
  • 00:28:20.180 --> 00:28:22.070
  • did and then Travis was, like, 2
  • 00:28:22.070 --> 00:28:23.070
  • or 3 years later.
  • 00:28:23.070 --> 00:28:24.140
  • - Travis: What's crazy about
  • 00:28:24.140 --> 00:28:25.060
  • this stage, though, is that most
  • 00:28:25.060 --> 00:28:27.020
  • of the time, I start serving
  • 00:28:27.020 --> 00:28:28.100
  • with Bishop Brady and just,
  • 00:28:28.100 --> 00:28:30.090
  • like, his assistant, just kinda
  • 00:28:30.090 --> 00:28:32.030
  • helping him out.
  • 00:28:32.030 --> 00:28:33.090
  • Every time we would go to Sunday
  • 00:28:33.090 --> 00:28:34.280
  • dinner, it would be like this.
  • 00:28:34.280 --> 00:28:36.230
  • Bishop would be here, and Nina
  • 00:28:36.230 --> 00:28:38.130
  • would not be there.
  • 00:28:38.130 --> 00:28:39.170
  • Sorry, babe.
  • 00:28:39.170 --> 00:28:41.250
  • So I was a part of them, I knew
  • 00:28:41.250 --> 00:28:42.280
  • their kids, but I really didn't
  • 00:28:42.280 --> 00:28:45.050
  • know Nina.
  • 00:28:45.050 --> 00:28:46.000
  • So I--
  • 00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:47.050
  • - Chris: That's something
  • 00:28:47.050 --> 00:28:47.260
  • that's very important because
  • 00:28:47.260 --> 00:28:49.110
  • they--we were sons to them
  • 00:28:49.110 --> 00:28:51.230
  • before we even married their
  • 00:28:51.230 --> 00:28:53.140
  • daughters.
  • 00:28:53.140 --> 00:28:54.150
  • When I tell you that my
  • 00:28:54.150 --> 00:28:55.230
  • father-in-law would sit down
  • 00:28:55.230 --> 00:28:57.070
  • with me for hours at the church
  • 00:28:57.070 --> 00:28:59.190
  • and Ruby Tuesday's and he would
  • 00:28:59.190 --> 00:29:01.140
  • pay the manager to close it
  • 00:29:01.140 --> 00:29:02.150
  • down.
  • 00:29:02.150 --> 00:29:03.070
  • And he would sit with me and
  • 00:29:03.070 --> 00:29:04.230
  • just pour himself into me.
  • 00:29:05.010 --> 00:29:08.010
  • Pour leadership, pour just
  • 00:29:08.010 --> 00:29:09.250
  • wisdom, revelation.
  • 00:29:09.250 --> 00:29:12.070
  • And you know, you--I always say
  • 00:29:12.070 --> 00:29:14.280
  • this, you can give me a bigger
  • 00:29:14.280 --> 00:29:15.260
  • paycheck but you can't give me
  • 00:29:15.260 --> 00:29:16.250
  • an inheritance.
  • 00:29:16.250 --> 00:29:17.290
  • That's why--
  • 00:29:17.290 --> 00:29:18.270
  • - Christine: I need to write
  • 00:29:18.270 --> 00:29:20.060
  • that down myself.
  • 00:29:20.060 --> 00:29:21.070
  • That's very good.
  • 00:29:21.070 --> 00:29:23.110
  • - Chris: Yeah, he poured an
  • 00:29:23.110 --> 00:29:24.160
  • inheritance in me.
  • 00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:27.110
  • So that's the stickability.
  • 00:29:27.110 --> 00:29:30.060
  • That's why, you know, 13
  • 00:29:30.060 --> 00:29:31.280
  • year--well, 16 years I've been
  • 00:29:31.280 --> 00:29:33.060
  • traveling with Pastor Brady--
  • 00:29:33.060 --> 00:29:34.130
  • - Sheryl: That was Tina.
  • 00:29:34.130 --> 00:29:36.000
  • Tina came to me and she--Tina
  • 00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:37.210
  • traveled with me at the time and
  • 00:29:37.210 --> 00:29:39.020
  • she'd go, "Mom, have you seen
  • 00:29:39.020 --> 00:29:40.200
  • that guy on the organ at the
  • 00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:42.060
  • church, Chris Baker?"
  • 00:29:42.060 --> 00:29:43.270
  • She'd say, "I think he should
  • 00:29:43.270 --> 00:29:45.020
  • travel with us."
  • 00:29:45.020 --> 00:29:45.270
  • And I was--I
  • 00:29:45.270 --> 00:29:46.200
  • just let her just set all that
  • 00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:48.070
  • up, and now look.
  • 00:29:48.070 --> 00:29:49.190
  • - Tina: You're welcome.
  • 00:29:49.190 --> 00:29:51.020
  • - Christine: So now, you as a
  • 00:29:51.020 --> 00:29:52.290
  • family can help me because, you
  • 00:29:52.290 --> 00:29:54.110
  • know, I'm Australian.
  • 00:29:54.110 --> 00:29:55.260
  • I've moved to America so in the
  • 00:29:55.260 --> 00:29:58.190
  • last little while, obviously,
  • 00:29:58.190 --> 00:30:01.030
  • I've heard so much in the
  • 00:30:01.030 --> 00:30:02.110
  • media, my kids now go to an
  • 00:30:02.110 --> 00:30:04.030
  • American school, just about some
  • 00:30:04.030 --> 00:30:06.170
  • of the tensions perhaps in race
  • 00:30:06.170 --> 00:30:08.040
  • relations but I'm sitting here.
  • 00:30:08.040 --> 00:30:09.190
  • This is all I've known with your
  • 00:30:09.190 --> 00:30:11.020
  • family, you know, you're white
  • 00:30:11.020 --> 00:30:12.030
  • and two of your son-in-laws are
  • 00:30:12.030 --> 00:30:13.280
  • not so, obviously, that's not a
  • 00:30:13.280 --> 00:30:15.010
  • big problem in this family.
  • 00:30:15.010 --> 00:30:16.190
  • So talk to me a little bit about
  • 00:30:16.190 --> 00:30:18.050
  • that because there's such a
  • 00:30:18.050 --> 00:30:19.190
  • narrative that I'm hearing and
  • 00:30:19.190 --> 00:30:21.020
  • there's something else that I
  • 00:30:21.020 --> 00:30:22.060
  • see in this family.
  • 00:30:22.060 --> 00:30:23.160
  • - Chris: I think, for me, my
  • 00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:26.020
  • mom, she was a pastor as well,
  • 00:30:26.020 --> 00:30:27.140
  • so from a young age she taught
  • 00:30:27.140 --> 00:30:29.150
  • me the importance of what Travis
  • 00:30:29.150 --> 00:30:30.290
  • was kind of talking about,
  • 00:30:30.290 --> 00:30:31.260
  • purpose.
  • 00:30:31.260 --> 00:30:32.270
  • So with me, it was never a
  • 00:30:32.270 --> 00:30:34.100
  • preference thing in regards to
  • 00:30:34.100 --> 00:30:36.020
  • white, black, red, or yellow.
  • 00:30:36.020 --> 00:30:37.280
  • When I saw this girl, I saw
  • 00:30:37.280 --> 00:30:39.240
  • purpose.
  • 00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:41.070
  • And it transcended everything
  • 00:30:41.110 --> 00:30:44.110
  • else.
  • 00:30:44.110 --> 00:30:45.250
  • Now I understand there the
  • 00:30:45.250 --> 00:30:47.030
  • dynamics in our generation and
  • 00:30:47.030 --> 00:30:48.160
  • in the world today but, for me
  • 00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:50.190
  • and the way I was raised, my
  • 00:30:50.190 --> 00:30:52.080
  • mom, she taught me about
  • 00:30:52.080 --> 00:30:54.010
  • purpose.
  • 00:30:54.010 --> 00:30:55.020
  • Latch on to purpose.
  • 00:30:55.020 --> 00:30:57.120
  • And so.
  • 00:30:57.120 --> 00:30:58.130
  • - Christine: So it wasn't an
  • 00:30:58.130 --> 00:30:59.280
  • issue for you?
  • 00:30:59.280 --> 00:31:00.230
  • - Chris: It was not.
  • 00:31:00.230 --> 00:31:01.130
  • It wasn't an issue for my
  • 00:31:01.130 --> 00:31:02.100
  • family.
  • 00:31:02.100 --> 00:31:03.030
  • Now, again, we are the outliers
  • 00:31:03.030 --> 00:31:04.290
  • so we probably don't represent
  • 00:31:04.290 --> 00:31:06.180
  • the mass populace but in my
  • 00:31:06.180 --> 00:31:07.290
  • family it was that's purpose.
  • 00:31:07.290 --> 00:31:10.010
  • We believe in that.
  • 00:31:10.010 --> 00:31:11.240
  • It's not an issue.
  • 00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:13.160
  • - Christine: Wow, that's so
  • 00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:14.170
  • awesome to hear.
  • 00:31:14.170 --> 00:31:15.120
  • And obviously--
  • 00:31:15.120 --> 00:31:16.030
  • - Chris: And then look at her.
  • 00:31:16.030 --> 00:31:16.250
  • I mean, she's beautiful so it's
  • 00:31:16.250 --> 00:31:17.220
  • not like she's ugly.
  • 00:31:17.220 --> 00:31:19.240
  • - Christine: I love her.
  • 00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:20.280
  • Inside and out, the spirit of
  • 00:31:20.280 --> 00:31:22.100
  • this girl, yeah, is gold.
  • 00:31:22.100 --> 00:31:23.030
  • And no problem for your family
  • 00:31:23.030 --> 00:31:23.260
  • either?
  • 00:31:23.260 --> 00:31:24.190
  • - Tina: No, we were always--we
  • 00:31:24.190 --> 00:31:26.050
  • churches.
  • 00:31:30.110 --> 00:31:31.090
  • We were always--
  • 00:31:31.090 --> 00:31:32.130
  • - Christine: Really?
  • 00:31:32.130 --> 00:31:33.030
  • From all--all the time?
  • 00:31:33.030 --> 00:31:34.050
  • - Sheryl: But be honest.
  • 00:31:34.050 --> 00:31:35.030
  • - Tina: Oh, it was, okay, it
  • 00:31:35.030 --> 00:31:36.140
  • was predominantly African
  • 00:31:36.140 --> 00:31:37.270
  • American, the churches that we
  • 00:31:37.270 --> 00:31:39.060
  • did minister but we were always
  • 00:31:39.060 --> 00:31:42.050
  • around different people.
  • 00:31:42.050 --> 00:31:43.270
  • And I love that.
  • 00:31:43.270 --> 00:31:45.010
  • I'm so grateful for that.
  • 00:31:45.010 --> 00:31:46.120
  • - Sheryl: Yeah,
  • 00:31:46.120 --> 00:31:47.000
  • The African American church
  • 00:31:49.150 --> 00:31:50.170
  • accepted us when other churches
  • 00:31:50.290 --> 00:31:53.290
  • necessarily didn't accept us
  • 00:31:53.290 --> 00:31:56.130
  • 'cause we were too--we were
  • 00:31:56.130 --> 00:31:58.000
  • about praise.
  • 00:31:58.000 --> 00:31:58.250
  • We were about being lively and,
  • 00:31:58.250 --> 00:32:00.150
  • you know, power.
  • 00:32:00.150 --> 00:32:02.120
  • And back then, it was like we
  • 00:32:02.120 --> 00:32:04.120
  • were kind of, "Well, they're
  • 00:32:04.120 --> 00:32:05.270
  • a little emotional."
  • 00:32:05.270 --> 00:32:07.270
  • We weren't emotional.
  • 00:32:07.270 --> 00:32:09.210
  • We were grateful.
  • 00:32:09.210 --> 00:32:11.180
  • There's a difference between
  • 00:32:11.180 --> 00:32:12.250
  • being emotional and grateful.
  • 00:32:12.250 --> 00:32:14.080
  • And so they accepted--that
  • 00:32:14.080 --> 00:32:17.080
  • community accepted us and so I
  • 00:32:17.230 --> 00:32:20.230
  • always say,
  • 00:32:20.230 --> 00:32:21.230
  • They loved me first," which they
  • 00:32:23.250 --> 00:32:26.210
  • gave me a home, they taught me
  • 00:32:26.210 --> 00:32:28.180
  • faith, they taught me how to tie
  • 00:32:30.050 --> 00:32:33.050
  • a knot and hold on into prayer.
  • 00:32:33.050 --> 00:32:35.030
  • They taught me how to worship.
  • 00:32:35.030 --> 00:32:37.140
  • And I'm gonna write a book one
  • 00:32:37.140 --> 00:32:39.090
  • day called, "Seeing the Black
  • 00:32:39.090 --> 00:32:40.240
  • because I'm telling you,
  • 00:32:43.090 --> 00:32:44.110
  • this is my family.
  • 00:32:44.110 --> 00:32:45.280
  • - Christine: Ah, I'm gonna cry,
  • 00:32:45.280 --> 00:32:46.200
  • yeah.
  • 00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:47.070
  • - Sheryl: Not that I--and I
  • 00:32:47.070 --> 00:32:47.280
  • mean, I love, you know I love
  • 00:32:47.280 --> 00:32:49.060
  • you.
  • 00:32:49.060 --> 00:32:51.000
  • But I'm just saying, back then,
  • 00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:52.040
  • when it wasn't such a--
  • 00:32:52.040 --> 00:32:54.210
  • - Christine: So did your
  • 00:32:54.210 --> 00:32:55.150
  • family--how did your parents
  • 00:32:55.150 --> 00:32:56.200
  • raise you?
  • 00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:57.120
  • - Sheryl: I was raised in inner
  • 00:32:57.120 --> 00:32:58.070
  • city Detroit if that helps, I'm
  • 00:32:58.070 --> 00:32:59.240
  • not sure, but--
  • 00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:01.100
  • - Christine: I'm Australian so
  • 00:33:01.100 --> 00:33:02.210
  • help me.
  • 00:33:02.210 --> 00:33:03.110
  • - Sheryl: You know, but we were
  • 00:33:03.110 --> 00:33:04.040
  • always taught that we're family
  • 00:33:04.040 --> 00:33:05.050
  • and we love one another and--
  • 00:33:05.050 --> 00:33:06.220
  • - Christine: So your
  • 00:33:06.220 --> 00:33:07.140
  • family--your mom and dad raised
  • 00:33:07.140 --> 00:33:08.140
  • you to love everyone?
  • 00:33:08.140 --> 00:33:09.160
  • - Sheryl: Absolutely.
  • 00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:10.080
  • - Christine: That's awesome.
  • 00:33:10.080 --> 00:33:10.290
  • - Sheryl: Absolutely.
  • 00:33:10.290 --> 00:33:11.190
  • - Christine: Wow.
  • 00:33:11.190 --> 00:33:12.100
  • - Sheryl: Yeah, so all of this
  • 00:33:12.100 --> 00:33:13.190
  • stuff that's trying to bring
  • 00:33:13.190 --> 00:33:14.200
  • division, I think we have to
  • 00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:16.080
  • speak against that because, at
  • 00:33:16.080 --> 00:33:17.160
  • the end of the day, if you cut
  • 00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:19.040
  • us all our blood runs red, and
  • 00:33:19.040 --> 00:33:20.240
  • it's not about one is superior
  • 00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:22.210
  • than the other.
  • 00:33:22.210 --> 00:33:23.280
  • We are family, we're a bond, and
  • 00:33:23.280 --> 00:33:25.250
  • when we come together the devil
  • 00:33:25.250 --> 00:33:26.240
  • hates us.
  • 00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:28.040
  • And I'm telling you, his, the
  • 00:33:28.040 --> 00:33:30.040
  • devil's, worst nightmare is a
  • 00:33:30.040 --> 00:33:32.060
  • family that understands unity.
  • 00:33:32.060 --> 00:33:33.280
  • - Christine: Amen.
  • 00:33:33.280 --> 00:33:34.210
  • Amen and amen.
  • 00:33:34.210 --> 00:33:35.230
  • - Travis: I think there's
  • 00:33:35.230 --> 00:33:36.200
  • something unique about
  • 00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:37.190
  • community, though.
  • 00:33:37.190 --> 00:33:38.200
  • My story's a little bit
  • 00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:39.160
  • different.
  • 00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:40.110
  • I just don't care.
  • 00:33:40.110 --> 00:33:41.210
  • I'm gonna love who I wanna love.
  • 00:33:41.210 --> 00:33:43.210
  • - Christine: 'Cause he's a
  • 00:33:43.210 --> 00:33:44.190
  • millennial.
  • 00:33:44.190 --> 00:33:45.120
  • - Travis: I don't care.
  • 00:33:45.120 --> 00:33:46.050
  • I don't care.
  • 00:33:46.050 --> 00:33:48.180
  • So, I mean, my parents, they're
  • 00:33:48.180 --> 00:33:49.240
  • cool with it.
  • 00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:51.010
  • I didn't care what anyone said
  • 00:33:53.190 --> 00:33:55.200
  • because it goes back to
  • 00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:57.150
  • that purpose.
  • 00:33:57.150 --> 00:33:58.170
  • And maybe I'm just hard-headed
  • 00:33:58.170 --> 00:34:00.090
  • but when it comes back,
  • 00:34:00.090 --> 00:34:01.180
  • I've always been kind of the
  • 00:34:01.180 --> 00:34:03.200
  • headstrong person to say, "Once
  • 00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:04.150
  • it's not just me.
  • 00:34:07.040 --> 00:34:07.270
  • Once God locks it in for me,
  • 00:34:07.270 --> 00:34:09.290
  • I'm sold on the idea.
  • 00:34:09.290 --> 00:34:11.200
  • So I just knew; I knew when I
  • 00:34:11.200 --> 00:34:14.020
  • met Nina, I took her to the
  • 00:34:14.020 --> 00:34:16.050
  • first kind of date at Starbucks.
  • 00:34:20.050 --> 00:34:23.050
  • - Christine: Oh, that's
  • 00:34:23.050 --> 00:34:24.090
  • destiny.
  • 00:34:24.090 --> 00:34:25.140
  • Starbucks first date, a man
  • 00:34:25.140 --> 00:34:26.230
  • after my--yes.
  • 00:34:26.230 --> 00:34:28.000
  • - Travis: We loved the same
  • 00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:28.220
  • drink: white chocolate mocha
  • 00:34:28.220 --> 00:34:29.210
  • grande, you know, extra white
  • 00:34:29.210 --> 00:34:32.000
  • chocolate.
  • 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:33.020
  • - Marc: White chocolate!
  • 00:34:33.020 --> 00:34:34.280
  • - Travis: Gotta get it, gotta
  • 00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:35.230
  • get it.
  • 00:34:35.240 --> 00:34:38.240
  • I just knew, you know, I saw my
  • 00:34:38.240 --> 00:34:41.000
  • kids in her eyes and I told her.
  • 00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:43.010
  • - Christine: Whoa!
  • 00:34:43.010 --> 00:34:44.010
  • - Travis: I said, "I see my
  • 00:34:44.010 --> 00:34:45.050
  • kids in your eyes," and I just
  • 00:34:45.050 --> 00:34:47.110
  • knew that it was the plan of God
  • 00:34:47.110 --> 00:34:49.150
  • and it was the purpose.
  • 00:34:49.150 --> 00:34:50.150
  • I'd been raised around black
  • 00:34:50.150 --> 00:34:52.010
  • liberation theology.
  • 00:34:52.010 --> 00:34:53.040
  • I understand the plight of
  • 00:34:53.040 --> 00:34:54.050
  • minorities.
  • 00:34:54.050 --> 00:34:56.040
  • I understand that.
  • 00:34:56.040 --> 00:34:57.010
  • I'm not trying to disregard
  • 00:34:57.010 --> 00:34:58.050
  • that, right?
  • 00:34:58.050 --> 00:34:59.050
  • I'm not trying to disregard any
  • 00:34:59.050 --> 00:35:00.240
  • race relations in our nation or
  • 00:35:00.240 --> 00:35:02.280
  • anything.
  • 00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:04.080
  • I understand.
  • 00:35:04.080 --> 00:35:06.020
  • But for me and my house, I just
  • 00:35:06.020 --> 00:35:07.260
  • knew that there has to be
  • 00:35:07.260 --> 00:35:09.110
  • somebody that breaks down
  • 00:35:09.110 --> 00:35:10.110
  • the color.
  • 00:35:10.110 --> 00:35:11.200
  • That for us, that we were called
  • 00:35:11.200 --> 00:35:13.060
  • and created to be a bridge to
  • 00:35:13.060 --> 00:35:15.050
  • bring generations together as
  • 00:35:15.050 --> 00:35:17.090
  • well as race groups together.
  • 00:35:17.090 --> 00:35:19.200
  • So I just kinda knew that in
  • 00:35:19.200 --> 00:35:21.080
  • a sense that I don't know what
  • 00:35:21.080 --> 00:35:22.110
  • God's gonna do in the future
  • 00:35:22.110 --> 00:35:23.200
  • with it, but I just kinda sensed
  • 00:35:23.200 --> 00:35:25.030
  • it, and sometimes you have to
  • 00:35:25.030 --> 00:35:26.200
  • grab a hold.
  • 00:35:26.200 --> 00:35:28.000
  • Even when you can't see the full
  • 00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:29.030
  • picture, sometimes you just
  • 00:35:29.030 --> 00:35:30.220
  • gotta grab a hold to just
  • 00:35:30.220 --> 00:35:32.250
  • a glimpse of what you see,
  • 00:35:32.250 --> 00:35:34.130
  • then God'll unfold the rest.
  • 00:35:34.130 --> 00:35:35.180
  • - Christine: So tell me then,
  • 00:35:35.180 --> 00:35:36.210
  • and again I'm speaking as
  • 00:35:36.210 --> 00:35:38.270
  • someone that is really listening
  • 00:35:38.270 --> 00:35:41.000
  • because it's become--it's come
  • 00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:42.230
  • on my radar 'cause I've moved
  • 00:35:42.230 --> 00:35:44.240
  • here, 'cause in my nation this
  • 00:35:44.240 --> 00:35:46.010
  • issue isn't an issue.
  • 00:35:46.010 --> 00:35:47.200
  • There's other issues but, you
  • 00:35:47.200 --> 00:35:48.210
  • know, so what do you think
  • 00:35:48.210 --> 00:35:49.230
  • the way forward for
  • 00:35:49.230 --> 00:35:51.100
  • your generation is?
  • 00:35:51.100 --> 00:35:52.120
  • - Travis: Community.
  • 00:35:52.120 --> 00:35:53.140
  • It goes back to community.
  • 00:35:53.140 --> 00:35:55.290
  • We have to be in relationship
  • 00:35:55.290 --> 00:35:57.040
  • with each other.
  • 00:35:57.040 --> 00:35:58.060
  • We have to talk to each other.
  • 00:35:58.060 --> 00:35:59.150
  • We have to live it.
  • 00:35:59.150 --> 00:36:01.050
  • Here's the thing.
  • 00:36:01.050 --> 00:36:01.250
  • We can't run from the tension.
  • 00:36:01.250 --> 00:36:02.280
  • We have to live into the
  • 00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:03.240
  • tension.
  • 00:36:03.240 --> 00:36:04.150
  • If you don't understand me, if
  • 00:36:04.150 --> 00:36:06.020
  • you don't understand my
  • 00:36:06.020 --> 00:36:07.040
  • background, if you don't
  • 00:36:07.040 --> 00:36:08.050
  • understand where I came from,
  • 00:36:08.050 --> 00:36:10.030
  • why we say certain things, come
  • 00:36:10.030 --> 00:36:11.170
  • with a open mind to understand.
  • 00:36:11.170 --> 00:36:14.070
  • You know, I've been a part of
  • 00:36:14.070 --> 00:36:15.260
  • a lot of race reconciliation
  • 00:36:15.260 --> 00:36:17.060
  • groups and one of the things is
  • 00:36:17.060 --> 00:36:19.030
  • help people understand their
  • 00:36:19.030 --> 00:36:20.150
  • cultural dynamics because most
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  • of the time, what people fear
  • 00:36:22.110 --> 00:36:24.050
  • the most, they cringe to.
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  • You know what I mean?
  • 00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:27.100
  • They, you know, if they fear it,
  • 00:36:27.100 --> 00:36:29.100
  • they yell at it, you know?
  • 00:36:29.100 --> 00:36:30.260
  • It's, you know, it's kind of
  • 00:36:30.260 --> 00:36:31.220
  • like a puppy, you know.
  • 00:36:31.220 --> 00:36:32.250
  • When he fears, he barks the
  • 00:36:32.250 --> 00:36:33.260
  • loudest.
  • 00:36:33.260 --> 00:36:34.260
  • And so that's really what's
  • 00:36:34.260 --> 00:36:35.270
  • happened a lot in America is,
  • 00:36:35.270 --> 00:36:37.230
  • like, people fear relationships
  • 00:36:37.230 --> 00:36:39.130
  • so they bark the loudest.
  • 00:36:39.130 --> 00:36:40.250
  • And so I really feel it comes
  • 00:36:40.250 --> 00:36:42.170
  • down to community.
  • 00:36:42.170 --> 00:36:43.260
  • If we don't know each other, we
  • 00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:45.030
  • can't do life with each other.
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  • It draws us back to Acts.
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  • It draws us back to the early
  • 00:36:48.180 --> 00:36:50.130
  • church, how they had all things
  • 00:36:50.130 --> 00:36:51.270
  • in common, and until we get back
  • 00:36:51.270 --> 00:36:54.190
  • down to that basis, we'll
  • 00:36:54.190 --> 00:36:56.000
  • continue to choose our
  • 00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:57.070
  • preference over purpose.
  • 00:36:57.070 --> 00:36:58.190
  • - Christine: I don't know about
  • 00:36:58.190 --> 00:37:00.080
  • you, but I'm gonna run the lap
  • 00:37:00.080 --> 00:37:01.050
  • right now.
  • 00:37:01.050 --> 00:37:04.040
  • So Marc, you're the minority in
  • 00:37:04.040 --> 00:37:06.150
  • this group.
  • 00:37:09.090 --> 00:37:12.090
  • - Marc: I've always wanted to
  • 00:37:12.090 --> 00:37:13.080
  • talk--I've always wanted to be
  • 00:37:13.080 --> 00:37:15.160
  • that.
  • 00:37:15.160 --> 00:37:16.100
  • - Christine: It's your own
  • 00:37:16.100 --> 00:37:17.020
  • show, but you know.
  • 00:37:17.020 --> 00:37:17.210
  • - Marc: Yeah, go back to my
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  • show.
  • 00:37:18.110 --> 00:37:19.070
  • - Christine: And your
  • 00:37:19.070 --> 00:37:19.260
  • bluegrass.
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  • Back to your show.
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  • All roads go back.
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  • - Marc: You know, I don't think
  • 00:37:21.270 --> 00:37:22.200
  • we--I know we didn't.
  • 00:37:22.200 --> 00:37:23.160
  • We didn't intentionally say,
  • 00:37:23.160 --> 00:37:24.240
  • "Let's just do this experiment
  • 00:37:24.240 --> 00:37:25.200
  • and see how it works out," but
  • 00:37:25.200 --> 00:37:28.050
  • what I've learned through this
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  • don't expose yourself to other
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  • people of other races, other
  • 00:37:33.170 --> 00:37:36.120
  • belief systems, other--every
  • 00:37:36.120 --> 00:37:39.060
  • kind of exposure you can think
  • 00:37:39.060 --> 00:37:40.210
  • of, what I've learned through
  • 00:37:40.210 --> 00:37:42.010
  • this is that just because
  • 00:37:42.010 --> 00:37:43.130
  • it--something happened along
  • 00:37:43.130 --> 00:37:44.250
  • the way that wasn't necessarily
  • 00:37:44.250 --> 00:37:46.020
  • my reality, didn't mean that it
  • 00:37:46.020 --> 00:37:47.230
  • wasn't a reality to Chris
  • 00:37:47.230 --> 00:37:48.280
  • But that came through trust that
  • 00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:52.020
  • we could have honest
  • 00:37:52.020 --> 00:37:53.090
  • conversation.
  • 00:37:53.090 --> 00:37:54.050
  • Now, I'll be honest when we sit
  • 00:37:54.050 --> 00:37:55.000
  • around, we don't just sit down
  • 00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:56.060
  • and go, "Hey, guys, let's get
  • 00:37:56.060 --> 00:37:57.050
  • into a deep racial discussion."
  • 00:37:57.050 --> 00:37:59.010
  • We're talking about football
  • 00:37:59.010 --> 00:38:01.030
  • or we're--I mean, like,
  • 00:38:01.030 --> 00:38:02.090
  • just life stuff.
  • 00:38:02.090 --> 00:38:03.240
  • But throughout being in this
  • 00:38:03.240 --> 00:38:06.150
  • family for so long, I would
  • 00:38:06.150 --> 00:38:08.100
  • hear conversations that when
  • 00:38:08.100 --> 00:38:09.250
  • we started having conversations
  • 00:38:09.250 --> 00:38:11.170
  • about police, sometimes the
  • 00:38:11.170 --> 00:38:14.110
  • reality of things that Chris and
  • 00:38:14.110 --> 00:38:15.250
  • Travis's parents may have had to
  • 00:38:15.250 --> 00:38:17.180
  • teach them about police, my
  • 00:38:17.180 --> 00:38:18.210
  • parents never taught me.
  • 00:38:18.210 --> 00:38:20.220
  • And if I'm naïve and I don't
  • 00:38:20.220 --> 00:38:22.080
  • ever try to have a conversation
  • 00:38:22.080 --> 00:38:24.160
  • where there's trust involved
  • 00:38:24.160 --> 00:38:25.250
  • where we can really just talk, I
  • 00:38:25.250 --> 00:38:27.000
  • always see it through my lens of
  • 00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:29.000
  • my reality, and so then I look
  • 00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:31.180
  • at anyone else that says
  • 00:38:31.180 --> 00:38:32.210
  • anything different and I just,
  • 00:38:32.210 --> 00:38:33.250
  • like, "Well, why would you
  • 00:38:33.250 --> 00:38:34.200
  • think that way?"
  • 00:38:34.200 --> 00:38:35.160
  • Because my reality
  • 00:38:35.160 --> 00:38:36.170
  • wasn't that way.
  • 00:38:36.170 --> 00:38:38.010
  • And so I think exposure, I think
  • 00:38:38.010 --> 00:38:40.190
  • that our--we can put as many
  • 00:38:40.190 --> 00:38:42.240
  • laws on the book as you can
  • 00:38:42.240 --> 00:38:44.080
  • imagine, but it will never
  • 00:38:44.080 --> 00:38:45.160
  • legislate the condition of our
  • 00:38:45.160 --> 00:38:47.070
  • hearts.
  • 00:38:47.070 --> 00:38:48.120
  • And if we can find ways to sit
  • 00:38:48.120 --> 00:38:51.000
  • down and just have coffee with
  • 00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:52.190
  • someone and even, not even get
  • 00:38:52.190 --> 00:38:54.080
  • into deep discussions, but we
  • 00:38:54.080 --> 00:38:56.140
  • talk about our life and our kids
  • 00:38:56.140 --> 00:38:57.170
  • and our family, those are the
  • 00:38:57.170 --> 00:38:59.040
  • common things that level the
  • 00:38:59.040 --> 00:39:01.010
  • playing field so that there's
  • 00:39:01.010 --> 00:39:02.240
  • trust.
  • 00:39:02.240 --> 00:39:03.150
  • And I'll tell you, when children
  • 00:39:03.150 --> 00:39:05.290
  • come up, when they're not being
  • 00:39:05.290 --> 00:39:07.290
  • told anything racist, they don't
  • 00:39:07.290 --> 00:39:10.050
  • have that made up in them.
  • 00:39:10.050 --> 00:39:12.280
  • My son begs me on a--and he's
  • 00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:15.090
  • gonna smile 'cause Chris knows
  • 00:39:15.090 --> 00:39:16.180
  • exactly what I'm talking about.
  • 00:39:16.180 --> 00:39:17.190
  • My son begs me, he would live at
  • 00:39:17.190 --> 00:39:18.250
  • Chris's house 7 days a week for
  • 00:39:18.250 --> 00:39:21.160
  • a few reasons.
  • 00:39:21.160 --> 00:39:23.100
  • One, he loves Chris
  • 00:39:23.100 --> 00:39:24.070
  • wholeheartedly.
  • 00:39:24.070 --> 00:39:25.250
  • Two, Chris fixes him pancakes
  • 00:39:25.250 --> 00:39:27.260
  • every morning and chocolate chip
  • 00:39:27.260 --> 00:39:30.060
  • cookies.
  • 00:39:30.060 --> 00:39:31.160
  • I don't even stand a chance.
  • 00:39:31.160 --> 00:39:33.040
  • Now my son loves me, but I'm not
  • 00:39:33.040 --> 00:39:34.120
  • gonna do that.
  • 00:39:34.120 --> 00:39:35.260
  • But my kids, we were so
  • 00:39:35.260 --> 00:39:38.030
  • conscious, Lana and I, that as
  • 00:39:38.030 --> 00:39:40.180
  • our kids started getting older,
  • 00:39:40.180 --> 00:39:41.280
  • we wouldn't accidentally talk
  • 00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:43.070
  • about race.
  • 00:39:43.070 --> 00:39:44.020
  • We wouldn't use, you know,
  • 00:39:44.020 --> 00:39:45.020
  • phrases like, "a black guy,"
  • 00:39:45.020 --> 00:39:47.050
  • or "a white guy."
  • 00:39:47.050 --> 00:39:48.090
  • We tried to keep
  • 00:39:48.090 --> 00:39:48.290
  • that away from our kids of using
  • 00:39:48.290 --> 00:39:50.020
  • those type of terminology and
  • 00:39:50.020 --> 00:39:51.190
  • it--and now, obviously, the
  • 00:39:51.190 --> 00:39:53.040
  • older they get, they're going to
  • 00:39:53.040 --> 00:39:54.070
  • know that.
  • 00:39:54.070 --> 00:39:55.190
  • One of my kids, one time, asked
  • 00:39:55.190 --> 00:39:56.250
  • me if--what was the process for
  • 00:39:56.250 --> 00:39:58.180
  • them to be dark like
  • 00:39:58.180 --> 00:39:59.240
  • Uncle Buddy.
  • 00:39:59.240 --> 00:40:02.130
  • That's Chris, Uncle Buddy.
  • 00:40:02.130 --> 00:40:03.220
  • And I just kind of laughed as I
  • 00:40:03.220 --> 00:40:06.070
  • called him, like, "Dude, you're
  • 00:40:06.070 --> 00:40:07.150
  • not gonna realize what Ryan just
  • 00:40:07.150 --> 00:40:08.230
  • said about wanting--" But they
  • 00:40:08.230 --> 00:40:10.230
  • don't have that in them because
  • 00:40:10.230 --> 00:40:13.190
  • we've raised them to just be
  • 00:40:13.190 --> 00:40:15.140
  • around each other and just be
  • 00:40:15.140 --> 00:40:17.100
  • people.
  • 00:40:17.100 --> 00:40:18.230
  • And we don't talk about it in
  • 00:40:18.230 --> 00:40:19.290
  • those terms.
  • 00:40:19.290 --> 00:40:20.230
  • And you know, if we would do
  • 00:40:20.290 --> 00:40:23.290
  • that more intentionally with our
  • 00:40:23.290 --> 00:40:24.290
  • kids, we could wipe out racism.
  • 00:40:24.290 --> 00:40:26.260
  • My kids, things that I heard
  • 00:40:26.260 --> 00:40:28.180
  • growing up in rural West
  • 00:40:28.180 --> 00:40:29.280
  • Virginia, my kids will never
  • 00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:31.170
  • hear that.
  • 00:40:31.170 --> 00:40:32.290
  • And so I might not change the
  • 00:40:32.290 --> 00:40:34.060
  • world but I can change my sphere
  • 00:40:34.060 --> 00:40:36.060
  • of influence.
  • 00:40:36.060 --> 00:40:37.160
  • And if we would all take on that
  • 00:40:37.160 --> 00:40:39.070
  • as our mission, what is the
  • 00:40:39.240 --> 00:40:42.240
  • influence that we do have, and
  • 00:40:42.240 --> 00:40:44.110
  • let's work on that and see what
  • 00:40:44.110 --> 00:40:46.030
  • happens as a result.
  • 00:40:46.030 --> 00:40:47.150
  • - Christine: That is so
  • 00:40:47.150 --> 00:40:48.140
  • powerful.
  • 00:40:48.140 --> 00:40:49.050
  • Now, as you travel and you teach
  • 00:40:49.050 --> 00:40:51.010
  • in a lot of African American
  • 00:40:51.010 --> 00:40:52.010
  • churches as well, are you seeing
  • 00:40:52.010 --> 00:40:53.070
  • that there's more unifying
  • 00:40:53.070 --> 00:40:55.120
  • happening?
  • 00:40:55.120 --> 00:40:56.040
  • - Sheryl: Absolutely, we're
  • 00:40:56.040 --> 00:40:56.280
  • seeing more diversity in the
  • 00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:58.030
  • body of Christ, and it's a
  • 00:40:58.030 --> 00:40:59.080
  • beautiful thing.
  • 00:40:59.080 --> 00:41:00.120
  • I think our churches should look
  • 00:41:00.120 --> 00:41:01.290
  • like the United Nations, you
  • 00:41:01.290 --> 00:41:03.090
  • know?
  • 00:41:03.090 --> 00:41:03.290
  • I think it should be, we are the
  • 00:41:03.290 --> 00:41:06.270
  • people of God.
  • 00:41:06.270 --> 00:41:07.240
  • We're not black, nor we're not
  • 00:41:07.240 --> 00:41:09.050
  • white, we're not bond, we're not
  • 00:41:09.050 --> 00:41:10.100
  • free, we're not male and female,
  • 00:41:10.100 --> 00:41:12.140
  • but we are the children of God.
  • 00:41:12.140 --> 00:41:14.040
  • We are the people of God.
  • 00:41:14.040 --> 00:41:15.070
  • And so I think churches need--we
  • 00:41:15.070 --> 00:41:16.240
  • need to see that diversity.
  • 00:41:16.260 --> 00:41:19.260
  • Now, if we're gonna see that,
  • 00:41:19.260 --> 00:41:21.090
  • then we have to stage that on
  • 00:41:21.090 --> 00:41:22.240
  • our platforms.
  • 00:41:22.240 --> 00:41:23.290
  • You cannot just have your
  • 00:41:23.290 --> 00:41:25.100
  • platform being one way and
  • 00:41:25.100 --> 00:41:27.170
  • expect your church to be
  • 00:41:27.170 --> 00:41:28.230
  • another.
  • 00:41:28.230 --> 00:41:29.220
  • And so you have to make room for
  • 00:41:29.220 --> 00:41:31.180
  • other people, and ultimately I
  • 00:41:31.180 --> 00:41:33.260
  • think that's the body of Christ.
  • 00:41:33.260 --> 00:41:35.200
  • That's what the body of Christ
  • 00:41:35.200 --> 00:41:36.220
  • is.
  • 00:41:36.220 --> 00:41:37.140
  • It's not just one nationality.
  • 00:41:37.140 --> 00:41:39.160
  • It's not just one race.
  • 00:41:39.160 --> 00:41:40.260
  • It's not just one generation.
  • 00:41:40.260 --> 00:41:42.190
  • It's multi-generational and if
  • 00:41:42.190 --> 00:41:44.170
  • we don't stop as baby boomers
  • 00:41:44.170 --> 00:41:47.040
  • and make room for the
  • 00:41:47.040 --> 00:41:49.050
  • millennials and they will make
  • 00:41:49.050 --> 00:41:51.010
  • room for what are y'all's kids?
  • 00:41:51.010 --> 00:41:52.170
  • I don't even know.
  • 00:41:52.170 --> 00:41:53.250
  • - Christine: I don't think
  • 00:41:53.250 --> 00:41:54.150
  • they've got a name.
  • 00:41:54.150 --> 00:41:55.070
  • - Chris: Some kind of letter.
  • 00:41:55.070 --> 00:41:57.030
  • - Sheryl: Whatever they are.
  • 00:41:57.030 --> 00:41:58.010
  • What is it?
  • 00:41:58.010 --> 00:41:58.280
  • - Marc: I think it's Z.
  • 00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:00.060
  • - Sheryl: Z?
  • 00:42:00.060 --> 00:42:00.290
  • Okay, whatever they are, I think
  • 00:42:00.290 --> 00:42:01.210
  • they're awesome 'cause they're
  • 00:42:01.210 --> 00:42:02.130
  • my grandkids, what am I saying,
  • 00:42:02.130 --> 00:42:03.240
  • yeah.
  • 00:42:03.240 --> 00:42:04.170
  • But we're seeing that, like, I'm
  • 00:42:04.170 --> 00:42:06.040
  • looking at their son and their
  • 00:42:06.040 --> 00:42:08.110
  • daughter and even looking at
  • 00:42:08.110 --> 00:42:10.190
  • Travis, I always say Travis'
  • 00:42:10.190 --> 00:42:12.120
  • son is my successor because he
  • 00:42:12.120 --> 00:42:13.240
  • has such a pastoral heart.
  • 00:42:13.240 --> 00:42:15.160
  • - Tina: He's 4.
  • 00:42:15.160 --> 00:42:16.230
  • - Sheryl: He's 4 but he just
  • 00:42:16.230 --> 00:42:18.160
  • loves people.
  • 00:42:18.160 --> 00:42:19.290
  • And so we're in--and then, you
  • 00:42:19.290 --> 00:42:21.290
  • know, then there's my mother who
  • 00:42:21.290 --> 00:42:23.170
  • I take care of.
  • 00:42:23.170 --> 00:42:25.050
  • She's an Alzheimer's patient.
  • 00:42:25.050 --> 00:42:26.080
  • And she's in, you know, on up
  • 00:42:26.080 --> 00:42:28.010
  • there with Alzheimer's, and so
  • 00:42:28.010 --> 00:42:29.010
  • Whether it's the generations
  • 00:42:31.030 --> 00:42:32.030
  • that came before me or those
  • 00:42:32.030 --> 00:42:34.010
  • that's coming after me.
  • 00:42:34.010 --> 00:42:36.050
  • But you have to make room for
  • 00:42:36.050 --> 00:42:38.100
  • everybody and you have to love
  • 00:42:38.100 --> 00:42:39.250
  • and care for everybody.
  • 00:42:39.250 --> 00:42:41.010
  • They're teaching their kids--I'm
  • 00:42:41.010 --> 00:42:42.120
  • telling you, I think we could
  • 00:42:42.120 --> 00:42:43.100
  • all go on vacation and leave
  • 00:42:43.100 --> 00:42:44.200
  • our kids at home.
  • 00:42:44.200 --> 00:42:45.110
  • They could play, they could
  • 00:42:47.220 --> 00:42:48.130
  • sing, they could do the
  • 00:42:48.130 --> 00:42:49.020
  • PowerPoint, they could do it
  • 00:42:49.020 --> 00:42:49.270
  • all.
  • 00:42:49.270 --> 00:42:50.280
  • And I think if parents would
  • 00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:52.030
  • just take a minute and
  • 00:42:53.110 --> 00:42:56.110
  • be--become intentional, then
  • 00:42:56.110 --> 00:42:58.140
  • your kids probably maybe
  • 00:42:58.190 --> 00:43:01.210
  • wouldn't grow up to hate what
  • 00:43:01.210 --> 00:43:03.110
  • they've seen in generations gone
  • 00:43:03.110 --> 00:43:06.000
  • by.
  • 00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:07.000
  • - Christine: Tell me, you just
  • 00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:08.060
  • said, so how do you do it,
  • 00:43:08.060 --> 00:43:10.050
  • 'cause your kids love you, I've
  • 00:43:10.050 --> 00:43:11.090
  • seen your grandkids adore you as
  • 00:43:11.090 --> 00:43:13.060
  • well.
  • 00:43:13.060 --> 00:43:14.000
  • But--so, when we talk about
  • 00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:15.120
  • relevance, I mean, you just said
  • 00:43:15.120 --> 00:43:16.220
  • PowerPoint.
  • 00:43:16.220 --> 00:43:17.140
  • We're all laughing because--
  • 00:43:17.140 --> 00:43:18.140
  • - Sheryl: Yes, I know, they're
  • 00:43:18.140 --> 00:43:19.060
  • laughing at me but I didn't say,
  • 00:43:19.060 --> 00:43:20.040
  • "Cassette tape," okay?
  • 00:43:20.040 --> 00:43:21.080
  • - Christine: Yeah, okay, but
  • 00:43:21.080 --> 00:43:22.150
  • whether it's VCR--
  • 00:43:22.150 --> 00:43:23.120
  • - Marc: She'll bring out her
  • 00:43:23.120 --> 00:43:24.030
  • Walkman here in--
  • 00:43:24.030 --> 00:43:24.200
  • - Sheryl: I'll bring out my
  • 00:43:24.200 --> 00:43:25.110
  • Walkman.
  • 00:43:25.110 --> 00:43:25.280
  • - Christine: But--so, what I'm
  • 00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:26.210
  • saying is those things are
  • 00:43:26.210 --> 00:43:27.130
  • actually irrelevant in terms of
  • 00:43:27.130 --> 00:43:28.200
  • what connects you to--so, what,
  • 00:43:29.050 --> 00:43:32.050
  • you know, you're talking to
  • 00:43:32.050 --> 00:43:33.290
  • parents or maybe pastors and
  • 00:43:33.290 --> 00:43:35.120
  • leaders from one generation to
  • 00:43:35.120 --> 00:43:36.170
  • the next.
  • 00:43:36.170 --> 00:43:37.080
  • It's not whether you say the
  • 00:43:37.080 --> 00:43:38.230
  • trendiest new social media term.
  • 00:43:38.230 --> 00:43:40.280
  • That's got nothing--what is it
  • 00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:42.040
  • that connects you to the
  • 00:43:42.040 --> 00:43:43.150
  • generation, do you think?
  • 00:43:43.150 --> 00:43:44.250
  • - Sheryl: It's got to be--and I
  • 00:43:44.250 --> 00:43:46.150
  • mentioned, I was talking to you
  • 00:43:46.150 --> 00:43:48.210
  • about this earlier, I think in
  • 00:43:48.210 --> 00:43:50.220
  • order to really establish the
  • 00:43:50.220 --> 00:43:52.080
  • kingdom, there has to be--
  • 00:43:52.080 --> 00:43:55.000
  • there's an existing generation
  • 00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:57.000
  • and there's an emerging
  • 00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:58.150
  • generation.
  • 00:43:58.150 --> 00:43:59.120
  • And it's going to take both of
  • 00:43:59.120 --> 00:44:00.220
  • those generations.
  • 00:44:00.220 --> 00:44:02.090
  • It's like Samson.
  • 00:44:02.090 --> 00:44:04.220
  • When they had gouged his eyes
  • 00:44:04.220 --> 00:44:07.020
  • out, they had reduced this
  • 00:44:07.020 --> 00:44:08.120
  • powerful man down to just
  • 00:44:08.120 --> 00:44:10.270
  • mockery, they ask for him to
  • 00:44:10.270 --> 00:44:13.080
  • come into the temple where all
  • 00:44:13.080 --> 00:44:14.170
  • the Philistines were there just
  • 00:44:14.170 --> 00:44:15.250
  • to make sport of him was what
  • 00:44:15.250 --> 00:44:17.050
  • the Bible says, or to make fun
  • 00:44:17.050 --> 00:44:18.050
  • of him.
  • 00:44:18.050 --> 00:44:19.040
  • And here he is, the man that was
  • 00:44:19.040 --> 00:44:20.210
  • so strong.
  • 00:44:20.210 --> 00:44:21.190
  • Now, he's grinding at the mill,
  • 00:44:21.190 --> 00:44:23.220
  • his eyes have been gouged out,
  • 00:44:23.220 --> 00:44:25.210
  • and yet he asked God, he said,
  • 00:44:25.210 --> 00:44:28.030
  • "Let me get vengeance on
  • 00:44:28.030 --> 00:44:30.040
  • my enemies."
  • 00:44:30.040 --> 00:44:31.000
  • And the line that
  • 00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:32.130
  • stands out to me so, so clearly
  • 00:44:32.130 --> 00:44:34.140
  • is, "He said--he looked to the
  • 00:44:34.140 --> 00:44:37.120
  • lad that was with him and said,
  • 00:44:37.120 --> 00:44:39.260
  • 'Place my hands on the
  • 00:44:39.260 --> 00:44:41.220
  • pillars.'"
  • 00:44:41.220 --> 00:44:42.210
  • Now, we all know the story is
  • 00:44:43.200 --> 00:44:46.200
  • that he brought the house down.
  • 00:44:46.200 --> 00:44:49.080
  • But he could not have done that.
  • 00:44:49.080 --> 00:44:51.030
  • He would not have known where to
  • 00:44:51.030 --> 00:44:52.120
  • place his hands.
  • 00:44:52.120 --> 00:44:53.200
  • He did not, could not, see the
  • 00:44:53.200 --> 00:44:54.250
  • pillars but it was that young
  • 00:44:54.250 --> 00:44:56.280
  • lad that said, "I don't have the
  • 00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:59.050
  • strength but I have the vision,"
  • 00:44:59.050 --> 00:45:01.090
  • you know.
  • 00:45:01.090 --> 00:45:02.180
  • And then you've got a man who is
  • 00:45:02.180 --> 00:45:03.220
  • so strong, who said, "I have the
  • 00:45:03.220 --> 00:45:05.180
  • strength, but I don't have the
  • 00:45:05.180 --> 00:45:06.270
  • vision.
  • 00:45:06.270 --> 00:45:07.190
  • But if you will show me, Tina,
  • 00:45:07.190 --> 00:45:09.180
  • where to place my hands, lead me
  • 00:45:09.220 --> 00:45:12.220
  • to the pillars, we're gonna
  • 00:45:12.220 --> 00:45:14.000
  • bring the house down."
  • 00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:15.200
  • And I think that's so
  • 00:45:15.200 --> 00:45:17.090
  • important that there has to--we
  • 00:45:17.090 --> 00:45:19.050
  • have to deal with it.
  • 00:45:19.050 --> 00:45:20.040
  • It's an emerging and existing
  • 00:45:20.040 --> 00:45:21.150
  • generation.
  • 00:45:21.150 --> 00:45:22.160
  • And I don't--I wanna be able to
  • 00:45:22.160 --> 00:45:24.100
  • sit back at some point and just
  • 00:45:24.100 --> 00:45:25.260
  • be their biggest cheerleader.
  • 00:45:25.260 --> 00:45:27.240
  • Because I--that's just what
  • 00:45:27.240 --> 00:45:30.040
  • I wanna see happen.
  • 00:45:30.040 --> 00:45:31.040
  • I think it's the kingdom.
  • 00:45:31.040 --> 00:45:32.210
  • - Christine: I think it's the
  • 00:45:32.210 --> 00:45:33.120
  • kingdom too.
  • 00:45:33.120 --> 00:45:34.000
  • And I think, you know, if we
  • 00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:34.220
  • have all of the wisdom of the
  • 00:45:34.220 --> 00:45:37.180
  • older generation, God's the God
  • 00:45:37.180 --> 00:45:39.020
  • of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob,
  • 00:45:39.020 --> 00:45:40.060
  • all of the resources of the
  • 00:45:40.060 --> 00:45:41.290
  • middle generation, and the zeal
  • 00:45:41.290 --> 00:45:43.200
  • of the young generation, working
  • 00:45:43.200 --> 00:45:45.180
  • together, we could checkmate the
  • 00:45:45.180 --> 00:45:47.070
  • devil.
  • 00:45:47.070 --> 00:45:47.290
  • But the devil has always wanted
  • 00:45:47.290 --> 00:45:49.070
  • to keep them apart, hasn't he?
  • 00:45:49.070 --> 00:45:50.100
  • Always, you see it.
  • 00:45:50.100 --> 00:45:51.080
  • - Sheryl: He wants to separate
  • 00:45:51.080 --> 00:45:52.100
  • the hearts of the fathers from
  • 00:45:52.100 --> 00:45:53.130
  • the sons because every
  • 00:45:53.130 --> 00:45:54.200
  • generation has to start over
  • 00:45:54.200 --> 00:45:55.240
  • again.
  • 00:45:55.240 --> 00:45:56.250
  • And if we could ever learn to
  • 00:45:56.250 --> 00:45:58.090
  • build upon what we have, that's
  • 00:45:58.090 --> 00:46:00.030
  • legacy.
  • 00:46:00.030 --> 00:46:01.140
  • And I think we're seeing it
  • 00:46:01.140 --> 00:46:03.270
  • happen.
  • 00:46:03.270 --> 00:46:05.050
  • - Christine: I think it's--I
  • 00:46:05.050 --> 00:46:05.260
  • love that.
  • 00:46:05.260 --> 00:46:06.220
  • I think we were talking a little
  • 00:46:06.220 --> 00:46:07.230
  • bit about the whole concept of
  • 00:46:07.230 --> 00:46:09.180
  • our generation's responsibility
  • 00:46:09.180 --> 00:46:11.250
  • to make sure that we are making
  • 00:46:11.250 --> 00:46:13.220
  • room for the next generation,
  • 00:46:13.220 --> 00:46:15.210
  • but there needs to be a
  • 00:46:15.210 --> 00:46:16.160
  • reciprocity, doesn't there, do
  • 00:46:16.160 --> 00:46:18.020
  • you think?
  • 00:46:18.020 --> 00:46:18.230
  • - Travis: Yeah, it's our
  • 00:46:18.230 --> 00:46:19.150
  • responsibility as a younger
  • 00:46:19.150 --> 00:46:20.260
  • generation to really discover
  • 00:46:20.260 --> 00:46:22.090
  • who we are and who we're called
  • 00:46:22.090 --> 00:46:24.210
  • to be at that moment and that
  • 00:46:24.210 --> 00:46:26.080
  • time.
  • 00:46:26.080 --> 00:46:27.040
  • I think that we'll continue to
  • 00:46:27.040 --> 00:46:29.130
  • discover who we are as people,
  • 00:46:29.130 --> 00:46:31.250
  • and as a person we'll continue
  • 00:46:31.250 --> 00:46:33.000
  • to evolve, but I also feel like
  • 00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:34.260
  • who are we called to be in the
  • 00:46:34.260 --> 00:46:36.100
  • moment?
  • 00:46:36.100 --> 00:46:37.060
  • And I think our generation,
  • 00:46:37.060 --> 00:46:38.200
  • sometimes we give up too soon.
  • 00:46:38.200 --> 00:46:40.050
  • But I love Judges, I think it's
  • 00:46:40.050 --> 00:46:42.110
  • Judges chapter 3 where the Bible
  • 00:46:42.110 --> 00:46:44.110
  • says that the Lord left some
  • 00:46:44.110 --> 00:46:46.140
  • enemies in, in the Promised Land
  • 00:46:46.140 --> 00:46:49.130
  • to teach a generation who had
  • 00:46:49.130 --> 00:46:51.150
  • not come through the wilderness,
  • 00:46:51.150 --> 00:46:53.230
  • to teach them how to war.
  • 00:46:53.230 --> 00:46:55.110
  • To train them so that they would
  • 00:46:55.110 --> 00:46:57.030
  • be disciplined, so they knew
  • 00:46:57.030 --> 00:46:58.110
  • the art of war.
  • 00:46:58.110 --> 00:46:59.080
  • And I think that that's what's
  • 00:46:59.080 --> 00:47:01.060
  • happening.
  • 00:47:01.060 --> 00:47:01.230
  • And that's what we would--should
  • 00:47:01.230 --> 00:47:02.200
  • see more of.
  • 00:47:02.200 --> 00:47:03.200
  • That our generation, don't give
  • 00:47:03.200 --> 00:47:04.190
  • up too soon, you know?
  • 00:47:04.190 --> 00:47:05.270
  • Don't just check out.
  • 00:47:05.270 --> 00:47:07.180
  • My father told me one thing that
  • 00:47:07.180 --> 00:47:09.290
  • has helped me so much in my life
  • 00:47:09.290 --> 00:47:12.250
  • in the church.
  • 00:47:12.250 --> 00:47:14.060
  • He said, "People are not God.
  • 00:47:15.210 --> 00:47:18.210
  • Never mistake the people of God
  • 00:47:18.210 --> 00:47:20.170
  • for God.
  • 00:47:20.170 --> 00:47:21.210
  • God is your God."
  • 00:47:21.210 --> 00:47:23.010
  • And so whenever you come through
  • 00:47:23.010 --> 00:47:24.020
  • hard times, is it easy?
  • 00:47:24.020 --> 00:47:26.150
  • No!
  • 00:47:26.150 --> 00:47:27.130
  • Are people difficult?
  • 00:47:27.130 --> 00:47:29.070
  • They can be at times.
  • 00:47:29.070 --> 00:47:31.060
  • But that doesn't take away from
  • 00:47:31.060 --> 00:47:32.250
  • my true relationship with God.
  • 00:47:32.250 --> 00:47:35.040
  • So I would speak to our
  • 00:47:35.040 --> 00:47:36.090
  • generation and say, "You have to
  • 00:47:36.090 --> 00:47:37.170
  • develop your own relationship
  • 00:47:37.170 --> 00:47:39.000
  • with God.
  • 00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:39.230
  • You've gotta know the book.
  • 00:47:39.230 --> 00:47:41.010
  • You need to know the Bible.
  • 00:47:41.010 --> 00:47:42.070
  • You need to know the Scriptures.
  • 00:47:42.070 --> 00:47:43.100
  • But you also need to be in
  • 00:47:43.100 --> 00:47:44.180
  • relationship with other people.
  • 00:47:44.180 --> 00:47:46.090
  • And if that happens,
  • 00:47:46.090 --> 00:47:47.230
  • here's the thing.
  • 00:47:47.230 --> 00:47:49.150
  • For--with me and Pastor Brady,
  • 00:47:49.150 --> 00:47:51.290
  • okay, I still respect--even
  • 00:47:51.290 --> 00:47:53.050
  • though she's my mother-in-law, I
  • 00:47:53.050 --> 00:47:54.160
  • still respect her as my pastor.
  • 00:47:54.160 --> 00:47:56.100
  • - Sheryl: I brought you into
  • 00:47:56.100 --> 00:47:57.010
  • this world.
  • 00:47:57.010 --> 00:47:57.170
  • No, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
  • 00:47:57.170 --> 00:47:58.260
  • - Christine: No, not him.
  • 00:47:58.260 --> 00:47:59.230
  • - Sheryl: That's right, it was
  • 00:47:59.230 --> 00:48:00.210
  • them.
  • 00:48:00.210 --> 00:48:02.080
  • - Travis: And watch this.
  • 00:48:02.080 --> 00:48:03.040
  • It's not her sole responsibility
  • 00:48:03.040 --> 00:48:04.170
  • to see everything that I need.
  • 00:48:04.170 --> 00:48:06.230
  • It's my job and my--is my
  • 00:48:07.050 --> 00:48:10.050
  • priority to speak to her and ask
  • 00:48:10.050 --> 00:48:13.050
  • her to speak into the areas in
  • 00:48:13.050 --> 00:48:14.170
  • which I'm lacking or I feel like
  • 00:48:14.170 --> 00:48:16.110
  • I'm lacking, and she will speak
  • 00:48:16.110 --> 00:48:17.160
  • to that.
  • 00:48:17.160 --> 00:48:18.090
  • And I think so many times,
  • 00:48:18.090 --> 00:48:19.160
  • our generation gets intimidated
  • 00:48:19.160 --> 00:48:21.140
  • because we think our fathers are
  • 00:48:21.140 --> 00:48:23.110
  • just supposed to speak to
  • 00:48:23.110 --> 00:48:24.240
  • everything and see us.
  • 00:48:24.240 --> 00:48:25.280
  • Sometimes, they're just simply
  • 00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:27.020
  • busy.
  • 00:48:27.020 --> 00:48:27.270
  • They're living their lives,
  • 00:48:27.270 --> 00:48:28.220
  • their order.
  • 00:48:28.220 --> 00:48:30.000
  • But if you call,
  • 00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:30.220
  • they will answer.
  • 00:48:30.220 --> 00:48:32.000
  • And that's what I love about
  • 00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:33.060
  • being in this assignment as a
  • 00:48:33.160 --> 00:48:36.160
  • millennial, is that there's true
  • 00:48:36.160 --> 00:48:38.140
  • relationship where I can call
  • 00:48:38.140 --> 00:48:40.040
  • and I can get a answer.
  • 00:48:40.040 --> 00:48:41.230
  • - Christine: Yeah, I think
  • 00:48:41.230 --> 00:48:43.010
  • that's powerful.
  • 00:48:43.010 --> 00:48:43.220
  • I think, as I'm listening to
  • 00:48:43.220 --> 00:48:44.160
  • you, there's a couple of things
  • 00:48:44.160 --> 00:48:46.210
  • that I'm thinking.
  • 00:48:46.210 --> 00:48:47.200
  • It's sometimes you also have to
  • 00:48:47.200 --> 00:48:49.060
  • know that there are certain
  • 00:48:49.060 --> 00:48:50.290
  • things that either God will not
  • 00:48:50.290 --> 00:48:53.050
  • allow us to see or God will not
  • 00:48:53.050 --> 00:48:54.230
  • allow us to speak into, even if
  • 00:48:54.230 --> 00:48:56.170
  • we do see it, like any parent.
  • 00:48:56.170 --> 00:48:58.000
  • Because when you made reference
  • 00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:00.030
  • in Judges chapter 3 about he
  • 00:49:00.030 --> 00:49:02.290
  • left some enemies in the land
  • 00:49:02.290 --> 00:49:04.020
  • for you to fight, see, in Judges
  • 00:49:04.020 --> 00:49:05.040
  • chapter 2, another generation
  • 00:49:05.040 --> 00:49:06.130
  • arose after Joshua that did not
  • 00:49:06.130 --> 00:49:07.280
  • know the Lord nor the works he
  • 00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:09.160
  • had done for Israel, and you
  • 00:49:09.160 --> 00:49:10.190
  • don't know God if you don't
  • 00:49:10.190 --> 00:49:11.270
  • fight some of your own battles.
  • 00:49:11.270 --> 00:49:13.040
  • The generation that went into
  • 00:49:13.040 --> 00:49:14.230
  • the Promised Land, the Bible
  • 00:49:14.230 --> 00:49:16.020
  • said to Joshua, "Circumcise
  • 00:49:18.040 --> 00:49:19.130
  • the sons of Israel again,"
  • 00:49:19.130 --> 00:49:20.280
  • the second time.
  • 00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:22.110
  • Because the first generation had
  • 00:49:22.110 --> 00:49:23.060
  • had their own circumcision,
  • 00:49:23.060 --> 00:49:24.230
  • their own cutting away.
  • 00:49:24.230 --> 00:49:25.250
  • We've had our own cutting away.
  • 00:49:25.250 --> 00:49:27.280
  • But the next generation cannot
  • 00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:29.140
  • go into their Promised Land
  • 00:49:29.140 --> 00:49:30.270
  • based on the price that was paid
  • 00:49:30.270 --> 00:49:32.020
  • by the generation before them.
  • 00:49:32.020 --> 00:49:33.090
  • They've gotta pay their own
  • 00:49:33.090 --> 00:49:34.130
  • price.
  • 00:49:34.130 --> 00:49:35.020
  • And so, where there is
  • 00:49:35.020 --> 00:49:36.050
  • an entitlement and not
  • 00:49:36.050 --> 00:49:37.120
  • a willingness to pay your own
  • 00:49:37.120 --> 00:49:38.280
  • price, sometimes we're gotta sit
  • 00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:40.130
  • back and go, "It's not that I
  • 00:49:40.130 --> 00:49:42.000
  • don't see it, but you're gonna
  • 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:43.180
  • have to learn this 'cause I'm
  • 00:49:43.180 --> 00:49:44.270
  • not gonna be here forever and
  • 00:49:44.270 --> 00:49:45.240
  • I'm not--I know you're used--"
  • 00:49:45.240 --> 00:49:46.240
  • "you're used to helicopter
  • 00:49:48.260 --> 00:49:49.160
  • hovering parenting, but we're
  • 00:49:49.160 --> 00:49:50.260
  • not always gonna be here."
  • 00:49:50.260 --> 00:49:52.080
  • And so, and there are other
  • 00:49:52.080 --> 00:49:53.170
  • times and my spiritual mother,
  • 00:49:53.170 --> 00:49:55.080
  • Joyce Meyer,
  • 00:49:55.080 --> 00:49:55.280
  • said this to me early on.
  • 00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:57.000
  • I was looking for something from
  • 00:49:57.000 --> 00:49:57.280
  • a mentor and she said,
  • 00:49:57.280 --> 00:50:00.030
  • "Christine, God will not allow
  • 00:50:00.030 --> 00:50:01.250
  • him to give that to you because
  • 00:50:01.250 --> 00:50:04.100
  • you want it too much from him,
  • 00:50:04.100 --> 00:50:06.090
  • and God wants you to get it from
  • 00:50:06.090 --> 00:50:07.130
  • him, from God."
  • 00:50:07.130 --> 00:50:08.220
  • And so, it
  • 00:50:08.220 --> 00:50:09.220
  • was--that sort of just made me
  • 00:50:09.220 --> 00:50:10.290
  • go, "Wow."
  • 00:50:10.290 --> 00:50:11.280
  • It's like, she said,
  • 00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:13.010
  • "It's not his fault.
  • 00:50:13.010 --> 00:50:13.210
  • He can't even see it."
  • 00:50:13.210 --> 00:50:14.170
  • God is not letting him see it.
  • 00:50:14.170 --> 00:50:16.160
  • Free, and it set me free in lots
  • 00:50:16.160 --> 00:50:18.100
  • of ways, thinking, "Wow,
  • 00:50:18.100 --> 00:50:19.270
  • both sides.
  • 00:50:19.270 --> 00:50:21.130
  • There are certain things that I
  • 00:50:21.130 --> 00:50:22.240
  • can't be God to the generation
  • 00:50:22.240 --> 00:50:24.030
  • under me, I have a
  • 00:50:24.030 --> 00:50:24.280
  • responsibility , of course, and
  • 00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:25.260
  • I'm not talking about holding
  • 00:50:25.260 --> 00:50:27.000
  • anything back, but everyone is
  • 00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:28.190
  • gonna have to pay their own
  • 00:50:28.190 --> 00:50:29.140
  • price, even in the midst of a
  • 00:50:29.140 --> 00:50:31.100
  • generation that has the
  • 00:50:31.100 --> 00:50:32.240
  • spotlight on them.
  • 00:50:32.240 --> 00:50:33.280
  • And has social media and
  • 00:50:33.280 --> 00:50:34.250
  • everything is, you know,
  • 00:50:34.250 --> 00:50:36.000
  • instagrammed and #selfie and
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  • #humble, thank you, it's your
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  • show.
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  • - Marc: Humble.
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  • - Christine: It's a humble brag
  • 00:50:41.210 --> 00:50:43.030
  • and so--but the deal is that
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  • we're in a highly visible world
  • 00:50:45.010 --> 00:50:47.200
  • where the spotlight is
  • 00:50:47.200 --> 00:50:48.190
  • constantly on us all.
  • 00:50:48.190 --> 00:50:50.020
  • Where is the anonymity where God
  • 00:50:50.020 --> 00:50:52.070
  • sanctifies you?
  • 00:50:52.070 --> 00:50:53.140
  • And where that happens is when
  • 00:50:53.140 --> 00:50:54.270
  • you think you're being
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  • overlooked.
  • 00:50:56.110 --> 00:50:57.120
  • God actually, in that moment, is
  • 00:50:57.120 --> 00:50:59.030
  • saying, "Actually, this is your
  • 00:50:59.030 --> 00:51:00.050
  • opportunity to crucify your
  • 00:51:00.050 --> 00:51:01.080
  • flesh, to die to self, and some
  • 00:51:01.120 --> 00:51:04.120
  • things that I did with David in
  • 00:51:04.120 --> 00:51:05.110
  • the back of the wilderness, I'm
  • 00:51:05.110 --> 00:51:06.090
  • actually gonna do for you under
  • 00:51:06.090 --> 00:51:07.170
  • the spotlight while someone
  • 00:51:07.170 --> 00:51:08.290
  • overlooks you.
  • 00:51:08.290 --> 00:51:09.270
  • And a lot of people are aborting
  • 00:51:09.270 --> 00:51:11.060
  • their destiny in your generation
  • 00:51:11.060 --> 00:51:12.170
  • 'cause they don't like that,
  • 00:51:12.170 --> 00:51:14.040
  • "No, thanks.
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  • You don't--you didn't give me a
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  • place?
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  • I'm gonna go start my
  • 00:51:16.130 --> 00:51:17.050
  • own ministry.
  • 00:51:17.050 --> 00:51:17.260
  • I'm gonna go do my own thing.
  • 00:51:17.260 --> 00:51:19.060
  • I'm gonna go and I have all this
  • 00:51:19.060 --> 00:51:20.190
  • gift and talent," and we have a
  • 00:51:20.190 --> 00:51:21.190
  • generation that understands gift
  • 00:51:21.190 --> 00:51:23.230
  • and talent but doesn't
  • 00:51:23.230 --> 00:51:25.030
  • understand anointing.
  • 00:51:25.030 --> 00:51:26.060
  • And so the people are coming
  • 00:51:26.060 --> 00:51:27.080
  • into our churches bound and
  • 00:51:27.080 --> 00:51:28.090
  • leaving bound because they're
  • 00:51:28.090 --> 00:51:29.210
  • being entertained by a gift but
  • 00:51:29.210 --> 00:51:31.030
  • no chains and shackles are being
  • 00:51:31.030 --> 00:51:32.180
  • broken because only the
  • 00:51:32.180 --> 00:51:33.180
  • anointing breaks the chains and
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  • shackles.
  • 00:51:34.190 --> 00:51:35.210
  • And it's the pressing that comes
  • 00:51:35.210 --> 00:51:36.290
  • out of the back of the
  • 00:51:36.290 --> 00:51:38.090
  • wilderness where you pay your
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  • own price, where that happens.
  • 00:51:39.120 --> 00:51:41.000
  • So when you have a generation
  • 00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:42.000
  • that is running away from the
  • 00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:43.060
  • press, you've got no anointing.
  • 00:51:43.060 --> 00:51:45.140
  • Then we're in a dangerous place
  • 00:51:45.140 --> 00:51:46.230
  • for the next generation.
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  • - Sheryl: And I think another
  • 00:51:47.240 --> 00:51:48.180
  • thing they don't quite
  • 00:51:48.180 --> 00:51:49.150
  • understand is that God always
  • 00:51:49.150 --> 00:51:50.260
  • hides greatness.
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  • - Christine: Always.
  • 00:51:52.050 --> 00:51:52.280
  • - Sheryl: He always
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  • hides greatness.
  • 00:51:53.290 --> 00:51:55.060
  • He hid Moses in a bulrush.
  • 00:51:55.060 --> 00:51:56.160
  • I mean, he hid Joseph in a pit.
  • 00:51:56.160 --> 00:51:58.230
  • He always--they hid Jesus in
  • 00:51:58.230 --> 00:52:00.090
  • milk rags.
  • 00:52:00.090 --> 00:52:01.110
  • He always hides greatness and if
  • 00:52:01.110 --> 00:52:02.260
  • you cannot pass the test of
  • 00:52:02.260 --> 00:52:04.100
  • being ignored, you don't have
  • 00:52:04.100 --> 00:52:06.000
  • greatness in you.
  • 00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:07.030
  • You've got to be able to pass
  • 00:52:07.030 --> 00:52:08.090
  • that test.
  • 00:52:08.090 --> 00:52:08.270
  • - Christine: And it is the
  • 00:52:08.270 --> 00:52:09.180
  • biggest thing, you know, when
  • 00:52:09.180 --> 00:52:11.080
  • they built the tower of Babel,
  • 00:52:11.080 --> 00:52:12.220
  • they said, "Come, let us build
  • 00:52:12.220 --> 00:52:13.240
  • a name unto ourselves."
  • 00:52:13.240 --> 00:52:15.150
  • This is the nemesis of this
  • 00:52:15.150 --> 00:52:17.090
  • generation because everything's
  • 00:52:17.090 --> 00:52:18.190
  • about branding, marketing.
  • 00:52:18.190 --> 00:52:20.150
  • No one wants to be marked by
  • 00:52:20.150 --> 00:52:21.230
  • God.
  • 00:52:21.230 --> 00:52:22.160
  • Everyone wants to be marketed by
  • 00:52:22.160 --> 00:52:23.270
  • man.
  • 00:52:23.270 --> 00:52:24.140
  • And so you go, "Whoa, where are
  • 00:52:24.140 --> 00:52:26.100
  • you going to be sanctified
  • 00:52:26.100 --> 00:52:28.080
  • through and through in that
  • 00:52:28.080 --> 00:52:29.240
  • hidden place when everything is
  • 00:52:29.240 --> 00:52:32.080
  • public, everything's on
  • 00:52:32.080 --> 00:52:34.210
  • social media?"
  • 00:52:34.210 --> 00:52:35.100
  • And I'm not saying come off
  • 00:52:35.100 --> 00:52:36.100
  • social media because it's not
  • 00:52:36.100 --> 00:52:37.090
  • going anywhere.
  • 00:52:37.090 --> 00:52:38.040
  • You're gonna have to learn to
  • 00:52:38.040 --> 00:52:38.280
  • die in the spotlight.
  • 00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:40.150
  • That's where it's gonna happen.
  • 00:52:40.150 --> 00:52:41.150
  • - Travis: And you know what I
  • 00:52:41.150 --> 00:52:42.060
  • love too?
  • 00:52:42.060 --> 00:52:42.230
  • Just thinking as you all talk.
  • 00:52:42.230 --> 00:52:44.270
  • I was thinking about Abraham and
  • 00:52:44.270 --> 00:52:46.100
  • how when God says to Abraham,
  • 00:52:46.260 --> 00:52:49.260
  • "Go take Isaac on the mountain
  • 00:52:49.260 --> 00:52:51.110
  • and sacrifice him."
  • 00:52:51.110 --> 00:52:53.250
  • Isaac accompanied his father
  • 00:52:53.250 --> 00:52:56.050
  • with the wood in his hand,
  • 00:52:56.050 --> 00:52:58.050
  • in to be sacrificed.
  • 00:52:58.050 --> 00:52:59.220
  • He accompanied his father up on
  • 00:52:59.220 --> 00:53:02.080
  • the mountain and I think that's
  • 00:53:02.080 --> 00:53:04.190
  • really what the next generation,
  • 00:53:04.190 --> 00:53:06.060
  • us running together,
  • 00:53:06.060 --> 00:53:07.030
  • kinda looks like.
  • 00:53:07.030 --> 00:53:08.080
  • Like, it looks as fathers and
  • 00:53:08.080 --> 00:53:10.090
  • mothers in the faith, walking
  • 00:53:10.090 --> 00:53:12.140
  • hand in hand with their sons,
  • 00:53:12.140 --> 00:53:14.080
  • their daughters, walking to the
  • 00:53:14.080 --> 00:53:16.030
  • place of sacrifice, walking to
  • 00:53:16.030 --> 00:53:18.000
  • the place of obedience, walking
  • 00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:19.060
  • into that next dimension.
  • 00:53:19.060 --> 00:53:20.260
  • - Christine: You're nailing it
  • 00:53:20.260 --> 00:53:22.060
  • because what is happening is our
  • 00:53:22.060 --> 00:53:23.080
  • generation, we're not climbing.
  • 00:53:23.080 --> 00:53:24.170
  • "Where do you want me to climb
  • 00:53:24.170 --> 00:53:25.160
  • to?
  • 00:53:25.160 --> 00:53:26.030
  • I've got a--" We are pressing,
  • 00:53:26.030 --> 00:53:27.210
  • pressing on to finish.
  • 00:53:27.210 --> 00:53:29.150
  • And you guys are going,
  • 00:53:29.150 --> 00:53:31.220
  • "Oh, I've still gotta climb,"
  • 00:53:31.220 --> 00:53:32.220
  • and we're saying, "No, no.
  • 00:53:32.220 --> 00:53:33.160
  • We're actually gonna give you an
  • 00:53:33.160 --> 00:53:34.170
  • elevator as long as we know
  • 00:53:34.170 --> 00:53:36.070
  • you're pressing.
  • 00:53:36.070 --> 00:53:37.110
  • And so if you're not pressing
  • 00:53:37.110 --> 00:53:38.160
  • for the prize, then what you
  • 00:53:38.160 --> 00:53:40.230
  • wanna do is climb on my back but
  • 00:53:40.230 --> 00:53:42.130
  • gonna cause you to self-sabotage
  • 00:53:44.150 --> 00:53:45.270
  • 'cause we're pressing on
  • 00:53:45.270 --> 00:53:47.150
  • to finish the course and we're
  • 00:53:47.150 --> 00:53:49.060
  • actually fast-tracking you
  • 00:53:49.060 --> 00:53:50.070
  • 'cause we're willing to give you
  • 00:53:50.070 --> 00:53:51.070
  • an elevator up to this place,
  • 00:53:51.070 --> 00:53:52.260
  • rather than you climbing
  • 00:53:52.260 --> 00:53:54.080
  • up to here."
  • 00:53:54.080 --> 00:53:55.130
  • And I've been thinking about
  • 00:53:55.130 --> 00:53:56.170
  • it a lot in light of a lot
  • 00:53:56.170 --> 00:53:57.180
  • of things with young women in
  • 00:53:57.180 --> 00:53:58.170
  • ministry.
  • 00:53:58.170 --> 00:53:59.090
  • And I'm going, "Wow."
  • 00:53:59.090 --> 00:54:00.180
  • It is very hard for someone
  • 00:54:00.180 --> 00:54:01.210
  • who's pressing to be able
  • 00:54:01.210 --> 00:54:02.240
  • to explain it to someone
  • 00:54:02.240 --> 00:54:03.190
  • who still wants to climb.
  • 00:54:03.190 --> 00:54:05.040
  • And I'm trying to find language
  • 00:54:05.040 --> 00:54:06.050
  • going, "Whoa, you're at 30, 35,
  • 00:54:06.050 --> 00:54:09.000
  • climbing.
  • 00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:09.250
  • I'm pressing, but I could
  • 00:54:09.250 --> 00:54:11.170
  • fast-track you because I
  • 00:54:11.170 --> 00:54:12.150
  • actually want you to start where
  • 00:54:12.150 --> 00:54:13.100
  • either--that's the restart
  • 00:54:15.170 --> 00:54:16.210
  • again.
  • 00:54:16.210 --> 00:54:17.160
  • But you're going to have to die
  • 00:54:17.160 --> 00:54:18.210
  • to self because I can't say,
  • 00:54:18.210 --> 00:54:21.210
  • 'Don't,'" because all the way
  • 00:54:21.210 --> 00:54:23.000
  • through the Scripture there has
  • 00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:24.190
  • been a pressing of the flesh,
  • 00:54:24.190 --> 00:54:26.010
  • a crucifying of the flesh.
  • 00:54:26.010 --> 00:54:27.090
  • There has to come your own
  • 00:54:27.090 --> 00:54:28.140
  • anointing, no matter whether
  • 00:54:28.140 --> 00:54:29.160
  • you're Jesus, who is God
  • 00:54:29.160 --> 00:54:31.070
  • incarnate himself, so you can't,
  • 00:54:31.070 --> 00:54:32.260
  • whether John the Baptist,
  • 00:54:32.260 --> 00:54:33.290
  • whoever you might be.
  • 00:54:33.290 --> 00:54:35.080
  • Any of the prophets of the Old
  • 00:54:35.080 --> 00:54:36.010
  • Testament.
  • 00:54:36.010 --> 00:54:36.260
  • And so I think it all comes back
  • 00:54:36.260 --> 00:54:38.280
  • to what you said.
  • 00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:39.270
  • You were listening for a sound.
  • 00:54:39.270 --> 00:54:41.060
  • We got a generation looking for
  • 00:54:41.060 --> 00:54:42.150
  • a spotlight and you've got
  • 00:54:42.150 --> 00:54:44.030
  • another generation that's
  • 00:54:44.030 --> 00:54:45.130
  • playing a sound and I'm waiting
  • 00:54:45.130 --> 00:54:47.060
  • to see, is anyone hearing the
  • 00:54:47.060 --> 00:54:48.120
  • sound.
  • 00:54:48.120 --> 00:54:49.060
  • And if you're looking for a
  • 00:54:49.060 --> 00:54:50.180
  • spotlight you're gonna be
  • 00:54:50.180 --> 00:54:51.130
  • blinded to the sound.
  • 00:54:51.130 --> 00:54:52.110
  • And so I'm looking for the ones
  • 00:54:52.110 --> 00:54:53.250
  • that are doing for the sound but
  • 00:54:53.250 --> 00:54:54.240
  • we could talk forever.
  • 00:54:54.240 --> 00:54:55.280
  • - Sheryl: The spotlight gets
  • 00:54:55.280 --> 00:54:56.190
  • hot.
  • 00:54:56.190 --> 00:54:57.060
  • - Christine: Oh, it gets hot.
  • 00:54:57.060 --> 00:54:57.280
  • We've got a couple of minutes
  • 00:54:57.280 --> 00:54:58.190
  • left.
  • 00:54:58.190 --> 00:54:59.040
  • I just want you, Sheryl, just
  • 00:54:59.040 --> 00:54:59.250
  • to, you know, wrap it up, talk
  • 00:54:59.250 --> 00:55:01.130
  • to everybody in these last 2
  • 00:55:01.130 --> 00:55:02.140
  • minutes of whatever you might
  • 00:55:02.140 --> 00:55:03.120
  • feel.
  • 00:55:03.120 --> 00:55:04.020
  • - Sheryl: Yeah, and I wanna say
  • 00:55:04.020 --> 00:55:05.200
  • this too.
  • 00:55:05.200 --> 00:55:07.150
  • This generation has so much
  • 00:55:07.150 --> 00:55:09.080
  • to offer.
  • 00:55:09.080 --> 00:55:10.220
  • at the table and they just pour
  • 00:55:13.020 --> 00:55:15.010
  • their ideas because they're out
  • 00:55:15.010 --> 00:55:16.120
  • there, they know, "Yes, we need
  • 00:55:16.120 --> 00:55:18.120
  • to do this, we need to do that."
  • 00:55:18.120 --> 00:55:19.280
  • And the Bible says, "A wise man
  • 00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:21.050
  • takes out of his treasure both
  • 00:55:21.050 --> 00:55:22.140
  • old and new."
  • 00:55:22.140 --> 00:55:23.270
  • So I just--I wanna
  • 00:55:23.270 --> 00:55:25.140
  • encourage every person that's
  • 00:55:25.140 --> 00:55:27.000
  • out there today, build your
  • 00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:28.220
  • team, whether it's a family,
  • 00:55:28.220 --> 00:55:30.130
  • whether it's children that
  • 00:55:30.130 --> 00:55:31.260
  • you've biologically birthed,
  • 00:55:31.260 --> 00:55:33.060
  • whether they've married into
  • 00:55:33.060 --> 00:55:34.290
  • your family, or whatever,
  • 00:55:34.290 --> 00:55:36.120
  • Because there's something
  • 00:55:38.190 --> 00:55:40.020
  • that happens when a family
  • 00:55:40.020 --> 00:55:41.070
  • works together.
  • 00:55:41.070 --> 00:55:42.080
  • The devil hates it.
  • 00:55:42.080 --> 00:55:44.000
  • But I wanna tell you something.
  • 00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:45.090
  • We're gonna see the kingdom of
  • 00:55:45.090 --> 00:55:46.170
  • God established.
  • 00:55:46.170 --> 00:55:47.190
  • I encourage every person
  • 00:55:47.190 --> 00:55:49.040
  • watching us today, get in your
  • 00:55:49.040 --> 00:55:51.220
  • spot, and let's tear,
  • 00:55:51.220 --> 00:55:53.230
  • let's--what did I say?
  • 00:55:53.230 --> 00:55:54.200
  • Bring the house down.
  • 00:55:54.200 --> 00:55:55.230
  • - Christine: Bring the house
  • 00:55:55.230 --> 00:55:56.140
  • down.
  • 00:55:56.140 --> 00:55:56.290
  • - Sheryl: Bring the house down.
  • 00:55:56.290 --> 00:55:57.220
  • - Christine: Man, I love that.
  • 00:55:57.220 --> 00:55:58.180
  • Let's bring the house down.
  • 00:55:58.180 --> 00:56:00.100
  • You know, Chris, we're wrapping
  • 00:56:00.220 --> 00:56:03.220
  • up but is there a final thought
  • 00:56:03.220 --> 00:56:05.160
  • you've got?
  • 00:56:05.160 --> 00:56:06.090
  • - Chris: I wanna say, "Thank
  • 00:56:06.090 --> 00:56:07.000
  • you," for this opportunity.
  • 00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:08.290
  • And to allow us to come and
  • 00:56:08.290 --> 00:56:10.260
  • share our story.
  • 00:56:10.260 --> 00:56:11.200
  • It is an amazing story.
  • 00:56:12.040 --> 00:56:15.040
  • - Christine: It is an amazing
  • 00:56:15.040 --> 00:56:16.000
  • story and I believe it's a sign
  • 00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:18.030
  • of the grace of God for--your
  • 00:56:18.030 --> 00:56:19.150
  • family represents in flesh and
  • 00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:22.280
  • blood, like, I now think when it
  • 00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:24.170
  • comes to racial reconciliation,
  • 00:56:24.170 --> 00:56:26.190
  • when it comes to generations,
  • 00:56:26.190 --> 00:56:28.040
  • when every, when it comes to
  • 00:56:28.040 --> 00:56:29.120
  • family, everything that the
  • 00:56:29.120 --> 00:56:31.040
  • enemy has come to try to steal,
  • 00:56:31.040 --> 00:56:32.260
  • kill, and destroy in our
  • 00:56:32.260 --> 00:56:33.260
  • society, your family is modeling
  • 00:56:33.260 --> 00:56:36.100
  • in strength and it's authentic.
  • 00:56:36.100 --> 00:56:38.020
  • I know you behind the scenes,
  • 00:56:38.020 --> 00:56:38.290
  • in front of the scenes.
  • 00:56:38.290 --> 00:56:40.120
  • And so I want you all to see a
  • 00:56:40.120 --> 00:56:41.250
  • picture of the grace of God
  • 00:56:41.250 --> 00:56:43.040
  • sitting around this table right
  • 00:56:43.040 --> 00:56:44.080
  • now.
  • 00:56:44.080 --> 00:56:45.100
  • It has been our honor and our
  • 00:56:45.100 --> 00:56:46.120
  • privilege for you to join us.
  • 00:56:46.120 --> 00:56:47.290
  • I want you, as you have seen and
  • 00:56:47.290 --> 00:56:49.110
  • heard this program, to
  • 00:56:49.110 --> 00:56:50.230
  • understand that God is still on
  • 00:56:50.230 --> 00:56:52.160
  • the throne.
  • 00:56:52.160 --> 00:56:53.150
  • There's a lot of fear and doubt
  • 00:56:53.150 --> 00:56:54.180
  • God is still on the throne.
  • 00:56:56.200 --> 00:56:58.060
  • Your best days are still ahead
  • 00:56:58.060 --> 00:56:59.170
  • of you and not behind you.
  • 00:56:59.170 --> 00:57:01.030
  • And Jesus is building his
  • 00:57:01.030 --> 00:57:02.070
  • church, and the gates of
  • 00:57:02.070 --> 00:57:03.170
  • hell cannot, shall not,
  • 00:57:03.170 --> 00:57:05.010
  • and will not prevail against
  • 00:57:05.010 --> 00:57:06.280
  • the church of the living God
  • 00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:08.070
  • the church of the living God
  • 00:57:08.070 --> 00:57:13.090
  • [m
  • 00:57:13.090 --> 00:57:13.100
  • [mus
  • 00:57:13.100 --> 00:57:13.110
  • [music
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