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Pastor Brunson Joins us in Studio After 2 Years in Turkish Prison

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October 8, 2019
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Pastor Brunson Joins us in Studio After 2 Years in Turkish Prison

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  • LIVE FROM WASHINGTON D.C. JAY SEKULOW LIVE.
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  • PHONE LINES ARE OPEN FOR YOUR QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • AND NOW CHIEF COUNSEL
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  • FOR THE AMERICAN CENTER FOR LAW AND
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  • JUSTICE, JAY SEKULOW!
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  • JAY SEKULOW: HI, EVERYBODY! WELCOME TO BROADCAST.
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  • LET ME START BY SAYING WE'RE
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  • GONNA BE JOINED IN THE NEXT SEGMENT OF THE BROADCAST BY
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  • PASTOR ANDREW BRUNSON. YOU REMEMBER HE WAS IN JAIL IN
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  • TURKEY FOR TWO YEARS AND BECAUSE OF GOD'S GRACE, THE WORK OF THE
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  • ACLJ, YOUR SUPPORT OF THE ACLJ, WE WERE ABLE TO SECURE HIS
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  • RELEASE. THAT HAS BEEN A GREAT VICTOR.Y BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY
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  • GONNA HAVE HIM IN STUDIO. HE AND HIS WIFE, NOREEN, ARE WITH US.
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  • BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, THOUGH, LET ME SAY ON BEHALF OF ALL OF
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  • US, TO THOSE OF YOU SUPPORTING THE WORK OF THE ACLJ, BECAUSE WE
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  • ENDED UP WITH A GREAT MONTH. WE MET OUR GOALS, WHICH IS GREAT.
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  • YOUR SUPPORT OF THE ACLJ MADE THAT HAPPEN. SO BEFORE WE GET
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  • INTO THE BRUNSON STORY, I WANT TO GET THAT DONE AND SAY THANK
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  • YOU! JORDAN SEKULOW: YEAH, ABSOLUTELY! YOU KNOW, WE DON'T
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  • DO IT OFTEN ON THE BROADCAST, BUT WHEN WE DO IT, YOU ALL
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  • RESPOND. AND YOU ARE A CORE GROUP OF SUPPORTERS, THOSE WHO
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  • LISTEN TO THE BROADCAST REGULARLY WHETHER YOU'RE A NEW
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  • LISTENER, OR A LONGTIME LISTENER TO THE BROADCAST, OR WHETHER
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  • YOU'RE SOMEONE WHO WATCHES ON FACEBOOK OR PERISCOPE. SO,
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  • WHETHER IT'S TERRESTRIAL RADIO, WHETHER IT'S SIRIUS XM OR
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  • FACEBOOK AND PERISCOPE LET US THANK YOU. WE SAW SIGNIFICANT,
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  • SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS INCREASE DURING THE SHOW. AND THAT MEANS
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  • THAT YOU WERE RESPONDING DIRECTLY TO OUR ASK.
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  • -ABSOLUTELY! -AND, AGAIN, IT'S SOMETHING WE DON'T WANT TO DO
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  • AND HAVE TO DO OFTEN THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, BUT WE DO HAVE TO DO
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  • IT SOMETIMES. AND BECAUSE OF YOUR SUPPORT, WE MET THOSE
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  • GOALS. SO, WE HAVE TO THANK YOU ABSOLUTELY SO MUCH FOR YOUR
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  • FINANCIAL SUPPORT TO THE ACLJ. -SO, IT WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT,
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  • ALMOST A YEAR AGO, IT WAS OCTOBER 12, 2018 AMERICAN PASTOR
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  • ANDREW BRUNSON WAS FINALLY RELEASED FROM BEING WRONGFULLY
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  • DETAINED IN TURKEY. WE CONFIRMED, OUR STATEMENT THAT WE
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  • ISSUED THAT DAY SAYS, WE CAN CONFIRM THAT AFTER MORE THAN TWO
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  • YEARS OF DETAINMENT BASED ON HIS CHRISTIAN FAITH, PASTOR ANDREW
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  • IS PREPARING TO LEAVE TURKEY TO RETURN HOME TO THE UNITED
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  • STATES. AS YOU KNOW, WE REPRESENTED PASTOR BRUNSON
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  • THROUGHOUT THIS ORDEAL. AND IT WAS AN ORDEAL. YOU'RE GONNA HEAR
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  • FROM HIM IN A MOMENT ABOUT THE WHOLE SITUATION. WE'RE GONNA
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  • TAKE YOUR CALLS. IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR HIM, WE WOULD BE
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  • HAPPY TO TAKE THOSE. YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO PASTOR BRUNSON
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  • AND HIS WIFE, NOREEN. WE'LL BE TAKING COMMENTS IN BY FACEBOOK
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  • AND PERISCOPE AS WELL. LOOK, THE PLIGHT OF THE PERSECUTED CHURCH
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  • IS SIGNIFICANT. NOW THAT'S WHETHER IT'S IN COUNTRIES LIKE
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  • SYRIA AND IRAQ, IN THE MIDDLE EAST, BUT ALSO RIGHT THERE IN
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  • TURKEY, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WAS A U.S. NATO ALLY, AND YET AN
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  • AMERICAN WAS HELD FOR TWO YEARS. OF COURSE, WE THANK THE
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  • PRESIDENT FOR HIS WORK. IT WAS GOD'S GRACE THAT GOT PASTOR
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  • BRUNSON OUT, BUT THE PRESIDENT WAS FEARLESS IN HIS PROTECTION
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  • OF THIS PASTOR AND DEMANDING HIS RELEASE, NOT ONLY PUBLICLY MANY,
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  • MANY TIMES, SETTING OUT, NOT ONLY TWEETS, BUT ALSO MAKING
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  • PUBLIC STATEMENTS ABOUT THIS. IT TOOK A LOT OF EFFORT AND THE
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  • PRESIDENT WAS WILLING TO PUT ECONOMIC SANCTIONS IN PLACE ON
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  • TURKEY BECAUSE OF THE WRONGFUL DETAINMENT. WE'VE NEVER HAD THAT
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  • EXPERIENCE. IN ALL THESE CASES WE'VE HAD, WE'VE NEVER HAD, AND
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  • I JUST, YOU KNOW, THE PRESIDENT GETS, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE PEOPLE
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  • LOBE CRITICISMS ON THE PRESIDENT, BUT FEW PEOPLE SAY
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  • THANK YOU FOR THE WORK HE DID IN GETTING THESE PEOPLE THAT WERE
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  • HELD IN CAPTIVITY FREE. AND I'VE NEVER SEEN A PRESIDENT THAT'S
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  • DONE IT LIKE THIS PRESIDENT HAS, TO BE QUITE, TO JUST BE BLUNT.
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  • PUTTING POLITICS ASIDE, REPUBLICAN-DEMOCRAT-INDEPENDENT-
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  • GREEN PARTY, WHATEVER YOU ARE, THIS PRESIDENT HAS MADE THIS A
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  • PRIORITY OF GETTING AMERICANS RELEASED AND HAS HAD GREAT
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  • RESULTS ON THAT. HE TAKES IT VERY PERSONALLY, I CAN TELL YOU
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  • THAT FIRSTHAND AS HIS LAWYER. HE TAKES IT VERY PERSONALLY, AND HE
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  • ENGAGES IT VERY DIRECTLY. -IN MY NEW BOOK THE NEXT RED WAVE,
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  • WE TALK ABOUT, ACTUALLY, IS THE DIFFERENCE, WE COMPARE PASTOR
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  • BRUNSON'S CASE AND SAEED ABEDINI'S CASE AND HOW HARD IT
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  • WAS TO GET THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION JUST TO ENGAGE.
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  • AND IN PASTOR BRUNSON'S CASE HOW EASY IT WAS TO GET THE TRUMP
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  • ADMINISTRATION TO ENGAGE AT THE VERY HIGHEST LEVELS, INCLUDING
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  • THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, DIRECTLY ENGAGING WITH
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  • THE PRESIDENT OF TURKEY. AND SO, YOU COMPARE AND CONTRAST WHAT
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  • KIND OF LEADERS YOU WANT AS A COUNTRY WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO
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  • AMERICANS IMPRISONED ABROAD, HE'S A PRETTY EASY CHOICE.
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  • -ALRIGHT, WE'RE GONNA BE JOINED BY PASTOR BRUNSON, HIS WIFE
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  • NOREEN. SO, ANDREW BRUNSON, NOREEN BRUNSON JOINING US. AS WE
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  • TAKE A BREAK, FOLKS, LET ME ENCOURAGE YOU TO PRAY FOR PASTOR
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  • CAO AND THE OTHER CASES WE'RE INVOLVED IN FOR THE CHURCH AS
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  • WELL. BACK WITH MORE IN A MOMENT.
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  • JAY SEKULOW: ALL RIGHT! WELL, THIS IS A REAL
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  • TREAT FOR US AT THE ACLJ. OUR
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  • TEAM IN OUR MEDIA CENTER WAS ABLE TO MEET WITH ANDREW AND
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  • NOREEN BRUNSON JUST ABOUT AN HOUR AGO. AND FOR MANY THAT HAVE
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  • WORKED ON THIS CASE INVOLVING PASTOR BRUNSON FOR ALMOST TWO
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  • YEARS, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THEY ACTUALLY SAW HIM IN THE
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  • FLESH, SAW NOREEN IN THE FLESH. I MEAN, THEY'VE SEEN THE
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  • PICTURES, THEY'VE HEARD NOREEN'S VOICE, BUT TO HAVE PASTOR
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  • BRUNSON ACTUALLY IN THE STUDIO IS IMPORTANT. I THINK IT'S
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  • REALLY IMPORTANT HERE TO START FROM THE BEGINNING. AND THAT IS,
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  • PASTOR BRUNSON, HOW YOU ENDED UP IN TURKEY. I MEAN, YOU WERE A
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  • PASTOR, YOU WERE TRAINED, LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW YOU DECIDED, WHAT
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  • WAS THE LEADING TO GO TO TURKEY? PASTOR BRUNSON: WELL, ACTUALLY
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  • OUR CHURCH ASKED US TO GO THERE. WE DIDN'T, ESPECIALLY, WANT TO
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  • GO TO TURKEY. WE WANTED TO GO TO EGYPT. BUT THEY ASKED US TO GO
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  • TO TURKEY. AND WE'RE SO GLAD WE DID, EVEN THOUGH WE HAD SOME
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  • DIFFICULTIES THERE, WE HAVE NO REGRETS ABOUT GOING THERE. -SO
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  • WAS IT THE IDEA, WAS THE CHURCH WANTED YOU TO, LIKE A CHURCH
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  • PLANT, BASICALLY? -YES. THEY WANTED US TO GO THERE. TURKEY'S
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  • THE LARGEST UNEVANGELIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. SO,
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  • THERE'S A GOOD REASON FOR MISSIONARIES TO GO THERE.
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  • -YEAH. NOREEN, HOW DID YOU FEEL WHEN YOU WERE FIRST, WHEN YOU
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  • FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT IT AS A FAMILY? HOW OLD WERE YOUR
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  • KIDS WHEN THEY WERE ABOUT TO GO TO TURKEY? -WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY
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  • KIDS. -NO KIDS YET? OKAY. -WE WERE JUST, -YEAH, JUST MARRIED.
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  • -THAT'S RIGHT. -SO, WHAT WAS YOUR, WHAT WAS YOUR THOUGHTS
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  • ABOUT THAT? -YOU KNOW, I WAS SET ON THE, ON EGYPT. I DID NOT
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  • WANT TO GO TO TURKEY. I CRIED ON THE PLANE. I WAS SURE MY LIFE
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  • WAS DONE. BUT I WAS JUST COMMENTING ON HOW IRONIC IT
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  • IS-I'M LEAVING TURKEY AND NOW I'M CRYING THAT I'M NOT THERE.
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  • -YEAH. -SO, GOD REALLY JUST TIED IT TO OUR HEARTS. -SO,
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  • EGYPT WAS ON YOUR HEART, THOUGH, BEFORE? WHICH IS INTERESTING. WE
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  • DO A LOT OF WORK IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND WE'VE DONE A LOT OF
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  • WORK IN EGYPT. BUT EGYPT WAS ON THE HEART BEFORE YOU WENT TO
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  • TURKEY? -IT WAS. -IT WAS. GO AHEAD, JORDAN. -IT WAS 23 YEARS
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  • IN TURKEY UNTIL YOU WERE ARRESTED. SO, I MEAN, TOTAL 25
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  • YEARS, BUT 23 YEARS YOU DID THIS WORK. SO YOUR CHILDREN WERE BORN
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  • THERE? -BORN DURING THAT TIME. -RAISED THERE, WENT TO SCHOOL
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  • THERE. -YEAH. -I MEAN, THIS IS WHERE LIFE WAS IN THAT NEXT
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  • PHASE OF YOUR LIFE. -WE ASSUMED THAT WE WOULD BE THERE FOR THE
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  • REST OF OUR LIVES. -WHAT WAS LIFE LIKE PRE-ARREST? WHAT WAS
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  • LIFE LIKE FOR THE CHURCH, FOR YOUR MINISTRY, WHAT YOU WERE
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  • DOING, AND FOR YOUR FAMILY IN TURKEY? PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, A LOT
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  • OF PEOPLE HAVE NOT BEEN TO TURKEY. IT'S A POPULAR TOURIST
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  • DESTINATION, BEEN A LITTLE LATELY FOR THE U.S., BUT WHAT
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  • WAS LIFE LIKE IN TURKEY AND WHAT WAS THE CHURCH LIFE LIKE IN
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  • TURKEY? -I WILL JUST SAY THAT THERE WAS NOT A DULL DAY IN
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  • TURKEY. I ALWAYS SAY THAT. SOME DAYS WERE GOOD, SOME DAYS WERE
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  • BAD, BUT NOTHING WAS BORING. THERE WAS ALWAYS SOMETHING
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  • CHANGING, SOMETHING HAPPENING. OF COURSE, WHAT WE WERE DOING IN
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  • THE MINISTRY IS AN UPHILL BATTLE. -YEAH, -BUT IT WAS
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  • ALWAYS EXCITING. -WELL, TALK ABOUT, THAT'S SOMETHING TO TALK
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  • ABOUT AND THAT IS WHAT YOU ACTUALLY, WHEN WE THINK OF A
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  • CHURCH PLANT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE IN, YOU KNOW, CHARLOTTE,
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  • NORTH CAROLINA, YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO ONE OF THE SUBURBS. THIS
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  • IS A VERY DIFFERENT SITUATION WHEN YOU'RE OPERATING IN A
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  • COUNTRY. SO YOU GO TO TURKEY. ANDREW. YOU'RE THERE. HOW DOES
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  • IT START? I MEAN, HOW DO YOU START A CHURCH PLANT IN, YOU
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  • WERE IN IZMIR, TURKEY-SMYRNA, AS WE WOULD KNOW IT. -SO, MOST
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  • CITIES IN TURKEY DON'T HAVE A CHURCH. THEY DON'T HAVE A
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  • MISSIONARY THERE. SO, WHEN WE GO INTO A PLACE, WHAT WE, ACTUALLY,
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  • DO IS TRY TO BE VISIBLE SO THAT THOSE WHO ARE SEEKING KNOW WHERE
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  • TO GO IF THEY HAVE QUESTIONS. SO, WE WOULD JUST TRY TO, WE
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  • WOULD OPEN UP A PLACE, PUT A SIGN UP THAT SAID CHURCH. AND
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  • OFTEN YOU GET NEGATIVE PUBLICITY FROM IT, BUT WE WOULD SAY, WELL,
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  • AT LEAST PEOPLE NOW KNOW WHERE TO FIND US. AND THEN SEEKERS
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  • BEGIN TO COME, BECAUSE THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE QUESTIONS. AND
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  • EVERYONE AROUND THEM IS MUSLIM. THEY'VE NEVER MET A CHRISTIAN.
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  • SO, THEY GO TO A PLACE WHERE THEY CAN MEET A CHRISTIAN. -SO
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  • WHEN YOU OPENED THE, WE REPRESENT THE GREEK ORTHODOX
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  • CHURCH WHO'S HAD A, AND I MEAN, THE GREEK ORTHODOX POPULATION OF
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  • TURKEY IS DOWN TO UNDER 3000, I MEAN, IT'S VERY, VERY FEW. IT
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  • USED TO BE VERY LARGE. AND THEY CAN'T EVEN GO OUTSIDE OF THEIR
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  • FACILITIES WITHOUT HASSLE. HOW WAS IT RECEIVED OR HOW WERE YOU
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  • ALL INITIALLY RECEIVED? YOU SAID YOU HAD SEEKERS. HOW LONG UNTIL
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  • SEEKERS STARTED SHOWING UP? WAS IT INSTANTANEOUS? WAS IT MONTHS?
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  • -WITHIN DAYS, WEEKS. -REALLY? -YEAH. PRETTY QUICK. SO
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  • EVERYBODY THERE HAS TO BE WON. THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE. SOME
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  • CHURCHES HERE IN THE STATES PEOPLE LEAVE ONE CHURCH TO JOIN
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  • SOMETHING NEW. -RIGHT. -EVERYBODY HAS TO BE WON TO
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  • CHRIST THERE. -DID THEY, DID YOU GET A SENSE, WHEN YOU'RE
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  • TALKING ABOUT A POPULATION THAT DOES NOT REALLY KNOW
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  • CHRISTIANITY, DID YOU GET ANY SENSE THAT THERE WAS, WHEN YOU
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  • WOULD FIRST TALK TO THE FOLKS THERE, THAT THEY DID HAVE A
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  • GENERAL UNDERSTANDING, OR WAS IT MORE AN INQUIRY OF WHAT IS THIS?
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  • -MOST OF THEM HAVE NEVER MET A CHRISTIAN. THE ONLY THING THEY
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  • KNOW ABOUT JESUS IS WHAT ISLAM TEACHES ABOUT JESUS. SO, SOME OF
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  • THEM ARE JUST CURIOUS. EVERYTHING THEY KNOW ABOUT
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  • CHRISTIANITY HAS COME FROM HOLLYWOOD, FROM T.V., OR FROM
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  • MOVIES. SO, THEY REALLY DON'T KNOW ABOUT JESUS. -YEAH. -AND
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  • THE GUTS OF THE GOSPEL HAVE BEEN TORN OUT FOR THEM. SO, THEY
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  • DON'T BELIEVE. THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE BASICS. THEY'VE
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  • BEEN TAUGHT THAT THE BIBLE HAS BEEN CHANGED. SO, YOU'RE REALLY
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  • STARTING, NOT JUST A NEUTRAL, BUT WAY, NEGATIVE! -NORMA, SHE
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  • WROTE ON FACEBOOK, SHE SAID PRIOR TO YOUR ARRESTS, DID
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  • EITHER OF YOU, ESPECIALLY WITH YOUR CHILDREN THERE AS WELL,
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  • EVER FEEL UNSAFE WHILE IN TURKEY? AND I THINK I'D ASK THIS
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  • A DIFFERENT WAY, I MEAN, YOU KNEW YOU WERE ENTERING THE
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  • MISSION FIELD TO GO INTO FOREIGN COUNTRIES, SO A LITTLE BIT MAYBE
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  • DIFFERENT TOLERANCE FOR WHAT IS UNSAFE THAN THE AVERAGE FOLKS,
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  • WHO AREN'T CALLED TO DO THAT. BUT PRIOR TO THAT, AND PRIOR TO
  • 00:09:46.230 --> 00:09:51.180
  • THOSE FIRST 23 YEARS, WERE THERE ANY KIND OF ISSUES LIKE THIS?
  • 00:09:51.190 --> 00:09:54.180
  • -SO, I THINK IT'S SAFE FOR CHRISTIANS TO GO TO TURKEY,
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  • ESPECIALLY FOR TOURISM, BUT WHEN YOU'RE THERE DOING CHURCH
  • 00:09:58.050 --> 00:10:01.100
  • PLANTING OR ARE A VERY VISIBLE CHRISTIAN, THEN YOU'RE GONNA GET
  • 00:10:01.110 --> 00:10:03.270
  • A DIFFERENT REACTION. SO, ANYBODY WHO'S BEEN INVOLVED IN A
  • 00:10:03.280 --> 00:10:07.020
  • PUBLIC CHURCH PLANT IS GOING TO HAVE THREATS. WE HAD A NUMBER OF
  • 00:10:07.030 --> 00:10:10.050
  • THREATS OVER THE YEARS. AND THERE WAS ONE OCCASION WHEN I
  • 00:10:10.060 --> 00:10:13.250
  • WAS ATTACKED BY A, WELL, A GUNMAN CAME TO OUR CHURCH. SO,
  • 00:10:13.260 --> 00:10:18.250
  • THERE CAN BE RISKS. -YEAH. SO, THE RISKS ARE REAL WHEN YOU'RE
  • 00:10:18.260 --> 00:10:22.210
  • MINISTERING IN THIS PART OF THE WORLD, PREDOMINANTLY A MUSLIM
  • 00:10:22.220 --> 00:10:26.120
  • WORLD THAT IS, AGAIN, HAS VERY LITTLE KNOWLEDGE OF
  • 00:10:26.130 --> 00:10:30.150
  • CHRISTIANITY. A LOT OF TIMES, TOO, LINKS CHRISTIANITY DIRECTLY
  • 00:10:30.160 --> 00:10:33.150
  • WITH EITHER AMERICA OR ISRAEL, AND MAKES IT VERY POLITICAL. I
  • 00:10:33.160 --> 00:10:37.210
  • NOTICED THAT, TOO, IN THAT REGION. -UNFORTUNATELY. -SO,
  • 00:10:37.220 --> 00:10:40.190
  • THAT CAN BE A BAR TO GETTING PAST PEOPLE. BUT, OBVIOUSLY,
  • 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:43.030
  • THERE WAS A WANT. I MEAN, FOR 23 YEARS PEOPLE KEPT COMING AND YOU
  • 00:10:43.040 --> 00:10:47.090
  • KEPT THE MINISTRY GOING. SO, THERE WAS A DESIRE FOR PEOPLE TO
  • 00:10:47.100 --> 00:10:50.170
  • LEARN AND A DESIRE FOR PEOPLE TO, ULTIMATELY, EVEN JOIN THE
  • 00:10:50.180 --> 00:10:54.210
  • CHRISTIAN FAITH. -YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE HAD DREAMS OF
  • 00:10:54.220 --> 00:10:59.110
  • JESUS. -YES. -JESUS APPEARS IN THEIR DREAMS OR AN ANGEL AND
  • 00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:02.170
  • SAYS GO READ THE BIBLE OR GO FIND A CHRISTIAN. SO, HE IS
  • 00:11:02.180 --> 00:11:06.250
  • THERE. HOLY SPIRIT IS THERE PREPARING THE WAY. -YOU KNOW,
  • 00:11:06.260 --> 00:11:09.150
  • IT'S INTERESTING YOU SAID THAT BECAUSE WE'VE, SO MANY CASES
  • 00:11:09.160 --> 00:11:11.270
  • THAT WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN WITH MUSLIM CONVERTS TO CHRISTIANITY,
  • 00:11:11.280 --> 00:11:15.220
  • IT'S JESUS APPEARING TO THEM. IT'S NOT JUST MUSLIMS, BY THE
  • 00:11:15.230 --> 00:11:18.170
  • WAY. IT HAPPENS A LOT. BUT, I MEAN, I HAVE A FRIEND OF MINE
  • 00:11:18.180 --> 00:11:21.040
  • THAT'S A JEWISH CHRISTIAN AND IT WAS THE SAME KIND OF EXPERIENCE.
  • 00:11:21.050 --> 00:11:24.220
  • IT'S LIKE, AND WHEN YOU TALK TO HIM, THIS IS A GUY THAT IS JUST,
  • 00:11:24.230 --> 00:11:28.010
  • YOU KNOW, TREADS THE NARROW, YOU KNOW, HE'S KIND OF A BLACK AND
  • 00:11:28.020 --> 00:11:32.070
  • WHITE KIND OF GUY, BUT WHEN YOU TALK TO HIM ABOUT HIS TESTIMONY,
  • 00:11:32.080 --> 00:11:34.260
  • WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT JESUS APPEARING TO HIM, HE'S NOT LIKE
  • 00:11:34.270 --> 00:11:37.140
  • KIDDING. I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE IT WAS SOME VAGUE DREAM. IT WAS
  • 00:11:37.150 --> 00:11:40.040
  • LIKE THE REALITY. HERE'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION THAT CAME
  • 00:11:40.050 --> 00:11:42.120
  • IN, AND AGAIN, WE'RE TAKING YOUR CALLS AS WELL AT 800-684-3110.
  • 00:11:42.130 --> 00:11:46.020
  • KRISTIN ASKED ON FACEBOOK, HOW HAS THIS STRENGTHENED YOUR WALK
  • 00:11:46.030 --> 00:11:50.130
  • WITH JESUS. SO, BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT
  • 00:11:50.140 --> 00:11:53.200
  • HAPPENED. SO, YOU'RE 23 YEARS THERE, INCIDENTS HERE AND THERE,
  • 00:11:53.210 --> 00:11:58.020
  • BUT NOTHING OF THIS SIGNIFICANCE. WHAT HAPPENS THAT
  • 00:11:58.030 --> 00:12:00.130
  • LEADS TO YOUR ARREST? -IT WAS OUT OF THE BLUE. WE WERE VERY
  • 00:12:00.140 --> 00:12:04.150
  • SURPRISED. WE WERE CALLED IN TO THE POLICE STATION. WE THOUGHT
  • 00:12:04.160 --> 00:12:08.000
  • WE WERE GOING TO BE RECEIVING LONGTERM RESIDENTS PERMITS,
  • 00:12:08.010 --> 00:12:11.100
  • WHICH WE HAD APPLIED FOR. AND THEN THEY TOLD US THEY WERE
  • 00:12:11.110 --> 00:12:14.290
  • GOING TO DEPORT US. SO, WE KNEW THAT THAT WAS A RISK THAT THEY
  • 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:17.260
  • COULD DEPORT US. BUT THE IDEA THAT THEY WOULD KEEP ME IN
  • 00:12:17.270 --> 00:12:21.030
  • PRISON WAS, NO ONE HAD THOUGHT THAT WAS POSSIBLE. -AND SO HOW
  • 00:12:21.040 --> 00:12:25.150
  • DID THAT, NOREEN, HOW DID THT COME DOWN? SO, YOU THINK YOU'RE
  • 00:12:25.160 --> 00:12:27.230
  • GOING OVER THERE FOR A LONGTERM VISA, BASICALLY, AND IT'S THE
  • 00:12:27.240 --> 00:12:30.190
  • OPPOSITE. -YEAH, IT WAS, WE WERE SHOCKED. WE WERE SHOCKED TO
  • 00:12:30.200 --> 00:12:33.270
  • HEAR, WELL, THAT WE'RE BEING DEPORTED. -YOU WERE BOTH PICKED
  • 00:12:33.280 --> 00:12:36.180
  • UP AT FIRST, RIGHT? -YES. WELL, WE BOTH WALKED DOWN TO THE
  • 00:12:36.190 --> 00:12:39.010
  • POLICE STATION, WERE TOLD, YES, YOU'RE GONNA BE DEPORTED, BUT
  • 00:12:39.020 --> 00:12:42.070
  • THEN YOU CAN'T LEAVE. WE'RE HOLDING YOU UNTIL YOU'RE
  • 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:45.190
  • DEPORTED. AND IT WAS A DEVELOPING SITUATION THAT FIRST
  • 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:49.010
  • DAY, TO BE HONEST. WE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, FULLY, WHAT THAT
  • 00:12:49.020 --> 00:12:52.020
  • MEANT, HOW THEY WERE GONNA HOLD US UNTIL THEY DEPORTED US.
  • 00:12:52.030 --> 00:12:54.280
  • -THEY PUT US IN A DEPORTATION CENTER TOGETHER FOR 13 DAYS AND
  • 00:12:54.290 --> 00:12:58.090
  • WE HAD NO CONTACT WITH THE OUTSIDE WORLD. WE DIDN'T KNOW
  • 00:12:58.100 --> 00:13:00.170
  • WHAT WAS HAPPENING. -DID YOU, THAT WAS THE NEXT THING I WAS
  • 00:13:00.180 --> 00:13:03.050
  • GOING TO ASK, SO, WHEN YOU GO TO THE DEPORTATION CENTER, BOTH OF
  • 00:13:03.060 --> 00:13:06.230
  • YOU WERE HELD FOR ALMOST TWO WEEKS AT THAT POINT, AND THEN,
  • 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:08.170
  • WE'LL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THIS AFTER THE BREAK, BUT I
  • 00:13:08.180 --> 00:13:11.100
  • THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE GOING
  • 00:13:11.110 --> 00:13:15.220
  • IN WITH THIS EXPECTATION OF ONE THING, A VISA GRANT, AND YOU END
  • 00:13:15.230 --> 00:13:19.020
  • UP IN A DEPORTATION CENTER. YOU HAD NO IDEA THAT WAS GONNA END
  • 00:13:19.030 --> 00:13:21.270
  • UP WITH YOUR HUSBAND BEING INCARCERATED. NO. NO CLUE OF ANY
  • 00:13:21.280 --> 00:13:26.010
  • OF THIS GOING ON? -NO. ALTHOUGH, WHEN WE ARRIVED TO THE
  • 00:13:26.020 --> 00:13:28.160
  • DEPORTATION CENTER AND THEN THEY CHECKED A BOX FOR TERRORISM, NOT
  • 00:13:28.170 --> 00:13:33.230
  • JUST A THREAT TO NATIONAL SECURITY. AND I, MY HEART
  • 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:37.030
  • STOPPED THERE. I THOUGHT SOMETHING IS WRONG HERE. -YEAH,
  • 00:13:37.040 --> 00:13:39.190
  • SO THIS IS TYPICALLY, I MEAN, UNFORTUNATELY, TYPICALLY WHAT
  • 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:42.110
  • HAPPENS. AND, JORDAN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT, IT
  • 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:44.220
  • BECOMES, EVERYTHING'S A NATIONAL SECURITY RISK. -YEAH,
  • 00:13:44.230 --> 00:13:46.260
  • EVERYTHING. INCLUDING, -FAITH. -I MEAN, WHEN WE TRANSLATED THE
  • 00:13:46.270 --> 00:13:50.200
  • CHARGES, THE OFFICIAL CHARGING DOCUMENTS, THE TERRORISM THAT
  • 00:13:50.210 --> 00:13:54.240
  • THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT, THAT NOREEN WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT
  • 00:13:54.250 --> 00:13:57.080
  • THAT PASTOR BRUNSON WAS CHARGED WITH, ACTUALLY, TRANSLATED FROM
  • 00:13:57.090 --> 00:13:59.220
  • TURKISH INTO CHRISTIANIZATION. -RIGHT. -LIKE THAT WOULD BE
  • 00:13:59.230 --> 00:14:03.080
  • TERRORISM OR A NATIONAL SECURITY RISK TO A COUNTRY LIKE TURKEY.
  • 00:14:03.090 --> 00:14:08.060
  • AND AGAIN, SO, WE HAVE TO GET OUT OF OUR WESTERN MINDSET, LOOK
  • 00:14:08.070 --> 00:14:12.270
  • INTO THE MUSLIM WORLD AND AT SOME OF THESE MORE AUTHORITARIAN
  • 00:14:12.280 --> 00:14:15.090
  • REGIMES, AND SEE HOW THEY WILL USE YOUR CHRISTIAN FAITH OR YOUR
  • 00:14:15.100 --> 00:14:18.100
  • MINISTRY AND TURN THAT INTO AN ACT OF, THAT YOU COULD BE
  • 00:14:18.110 --> 00:14:22.100
  • TERRORIZING THE PUBLIC BY SHARING THAT FAITH. - AS WE
  • 00:14:22.110 --> 00:14:25.270
  • TAKE A BREAK, FOLKS, LET ME ENCOURAGE YOU TO PRAY FOR PASTOR
  • 00:14:25.280 --> 00:14:28.060
  • CAO AND THE OTHER CASES WE'RE INVOLVED IN FOR THE CHURCH AS
  • 00:14:28.070 --> 00:14:31.110
  • WELL. BACK WITH MORE IN A MOMENT.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • JAY SEKULOW: I'M GONNA PLAY FOR YOU THE AUDIO OF
  • 00:14:40.280 --> 00:14:43.070
  • THE BRUNSON'S PRAYING FOR THE
  • 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:44.150
  • PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IN THE OVAL OFFICE ON T.V. LIVE.
  • 00:14:44.160 --> 00:14:46.240
  • IT WAS A SATURDAY, I THINK. IS THAT RIGHT? IT WAS A SATURDAY.
  • 00:14:46.250 --> 00:14:49.100
  • CECE HEIL IS JOINING US, YOU RECOGNIZE THAT VOICE, OF COURSE,
  • 00:14:49.110 --> 00:14:51.210
  • BUT, YEAH, THAT WAS QUITE A DAY AND IT WAS QUITE A WEEK, GETTING
  • 00:14:51.220 --> 00:14:58.070
  • TO THAT POINT. WE LEFT WITH YOU BEING IN THE DEPORTATION
  • 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:01.220
  • PROCEEDINGS AND THEN, ULTIMATELY, 13 DAYS IN PRISON.
  • 00:15:01.230 --> 00:15:05.130
  • AND THEN, I WANT TO GO TAKE A CALL BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE CALLING
  • 00:15:05.140 --> 00:15:09.180
  • IN 800-684-3110. BEFORE I GET TO THE CALL, THOUGH, YOU SAW THAT
  • 00:15:09.190 --> 00:15:13.180
  • MARK, IT SAID TERRORISM, AND, NOREEN, YOU SAID YOU KNEW AT
  • 00:15:13.190 --> 00:15:17.290
  • THAT POINT THAT THIS HAD TAKEN ON A WHOLE NEW DIMENSION OR
  • 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:20.160
  • ANOTHER DIMENSION. NOREEN BRUNSON: I FELT THAT SOMETHING
  • 00:15:20.170 --> 00:15:22.060
  • WAS VERY WRONG. THEY, TYPICALLY, DEPORT PEOPLE UNDER THREAT TO
  • 00:15:22.070 --> 00:15:24.080
  • NATIONAL SECURITY. -YEP. -THAT'S A BROAD CATEGORY, KIND
  • 00:15:24.090 --> 00:15:27.200
  • OF A CATCH-ALL, BUT WHEN THEY WERE SPECIFYING THAT, AND UNDER
  • 00:15:27.210 --> 00:15:31.030
  • THOSE CONDITIONS THAT TURKEY WAS IN AT THE TIME, IT WAS JUST, IT
  • 00:15:31.040 --> 00:15:35.130
  • SCARED ME. YOU KNOW, THEY ACCUSED YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU
  • 00:15:35.140 --> 00:15:37.180
  • GOT A LOT OF IT THERE, BUT THEY ACCUSED YOU OF BEING A SPY. THAT
  • 00:15:37.190 --> 00:15:41.120
  • WAS, ANDREW, THEY WERE ACCUSING YOU OF BEING A SPY FOR THE
  • 00:15:41.130 --> 00:15:44.060
  • UNITED STATES. THAT WAS PART OF WHAT WAS COMING OUT. AND THEN I
  • 00:15:44.070 --> 00:15:46.290
  • DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THIS, YOU WERE IN JAIL SO YOU DIDN'T KNOW
  • 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:49.000
  • THIS, BUT I WAS ON THE PHONE WITH THE PRESIDENT WHEN HE SAID,
  • 00:15:49.010 --> 00:15:51.220
  • YOU KNOW, I AM SO, HE WAS ANGRY AT TURKEY, I MEAN, I WAS THERE
  • 00:15:51.230 --> 00:15:54.250
  • WITH CALLS WITH, I MEAN, THIS PRESIDENT, AS YOU KNOW, ON THESE
  • 00:15:54.260 --> 00:15:58.130
  • THINGS, IS UNAPOLOGETIC IN GETTING THE AMERICANS OUT. AND
  • 00:15:58.140 --> 00:16:02.160
  • BESIDES THE ONE WHERE THE LIRA TANKED, THEIR CURRENCY, AND HE
  • 00:16:02.170 --> 00:16:05.200
  • WAS PUTTING, HE SAID YOU WERE GONNA BE THE, THIS WOULD BE THE
  • 00:16:05.210 --> 00:16:07.290
  • MOST EXPENSIVE PASTOR TURKEY EVER KEPT. AND I THINK THAT,
  • 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:10.170
  • OBVIOUSLY, THE ECONOMIC SANCTIONS HAD AN IMPACT. IT WAS
  • 00:16:10.180 --> 00:16:12.240
  • GOD THAT, OBVIOUSLY, DID THE RELEASE, BUT THE PRESIDENT WAS
  • 00:16:12.250 --> 00:16:14.150
  • VERY, VERY, VERY DIRECT. BUT I REMEMBER AT ONE POINT HE SAID
  • 00:16:14.160 --> 00:16:17.110
  • YOU THINK THIS GUY'S A SPY? I'M MORE OF A SPY THAN HE'LL EVER
  • 00:16:17.120 --> 00:16:19.210
  • BE. THAT WAS FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. LET'S GO
  • 00:16:19.220 --> 00:16:21.180
  • AHEAD AND TAKE A CALL AND THEN GO RIGHT BACK TO THE STORY.
  • 00:16:21.190 --> 00:16:23.040
  • JORDAN SEKULOW: YEAH, LET'S GO TO MYRA IN CALIFORNIA ON LINE
  • 00:16:23.050 --> 00:16:26.010
  • ONE. MYRA, WELCOME TO JAY SEKULOW LIVE. YOU'RE ON THE AIR.
  • 00:16:26.020 --> 00:16:28.120
  • -HI, MYRA. GO AHEAD. -HI, THANK YOU. -SURE. -PASTOR
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  • BRUNSON, I PRAYED FOR YOU. AND WHAT'S NEXT? -WHAT'S NEXT FOR
  • 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:35.040
  • THE BRUNSON FAMILY? -SO, FIRST, I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE WHO
  • 00:16:35.050 --> 00:16:37.290
  • PRAYED FOR US. IT WAS SUCH A GREAT SUPPORT FOR US AND WE'RE
  • 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:41.070
  • ASTOUNDED BY HOW MANY PEOPLE PRAYED FOR US. SO, THANK YOU
  • 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:43.240
  • VERY MUCH. WHAT'S NEXT IS, WELL, WE STILL WANT TO SEE THE CHURCH
  • 00:16:43.250 --> 00:16:47.220
  • GROW IN THE MIDDLE EAST. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO
  • 00:16:47.230 --> 00:16:51.290
  • ENCOURAGE THAT TOO TRAIN THE NEXT GENERATION THAT'S GOING
  • 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:55.050
  • OUT. AND I ALSO HAVE A GREAT BURDEN FOR, AS I'VE RETURNED TO
  • 00:16:55.060 --> 00:16:58.140
  • THE STATES, I HAVE NOT HAD A BURDEN FOR THE STATES IN THE
  • 00:16:58.150 --> 00:17:01.150
  • PAST, I'VE BEEN FOCUSED OVERSEAS, BUT JUST TO SEE THE
  • 00:17:01.160 --> 00:17:04.250
  • NEXT GENERATION STRENGTHEN. BECAUSE I THINK IS GOING TO
  • 00:17:04.260 --> 00:17:07.080
  • BECOME MORE AND MORE DIFFICULT FOR BELIEVERS TO STAND
  • 00:17:07.090 --> 00:17:10.120
  • UNAPOLOGETICALLY FOR JESUS IN AN INCREASINGLY HOSTILE CULTURE.
  • 00:17:10.130 --> 00:17:14.030
  • SO, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO STRENGTHEN THE NEXT GENERATION.
  • 00:17:14.040 --> 00:17:17.170
  • AND I'D LIKE TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT. -NOREEN, IS THAT WHAT YOU
  • 00:17:17.180 --> 00:17:19.100
  • THINK IS NEXT? -YEAH, THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES
  • 00:17:19.110 --> 00:17:24.270
  • THAT ARE KIND OF JUST GROWING IN OUR HEARTS. AND SO, WE'RE
  • 00:17:24.280 --> 00:17:27.250
  • WAITING ON THE LORD DURING THIS TIME. -OKAY, AND THAT'S A GOOD
  • 00:17:27.260 --> 00:17:30.030
  • THING TO DO. I MEAN, YOU GOT TO TAKE YOUR TIME WHEN YOU COME
  • 00:17:30.040 --> 00:17:31.260
  • BACK FROM SOMETHING LIKE THIS. CECE, LET'S TALK ABOUT FOR A
  • 00:17:31.270 --> 00:17:34.150
  • MOMENT, WE KNOW ABOUT THEY'RE TAKEN INTO, CECE HEIL: THE
  • 00:17:34.160 --> 00:17:39.120
  • DETENTION CENTER. -INTO DETENTION CENTER AND WE'VE BEEN
  • 00:17:39.130 --> 00:17:41.090
  • THROUGH THIS A NUMBER OF TIMES ON OTHER CASES, BUT HOW DID THE
  • 00:17:41.100 --> 00:17:43.210
  • FIRST CALL COME IN TO US FOR HELP? -I, ACTUALLY, BELIEVE IT
  • 00:17:43.220 --> 00:17:48.040
  • CAME IN FROM PAT ROBERTSON'S OFFICE. -I THINK IT WAS. YEAH,
  • 00:17:48.050 --> 00:17:50.280
  • GORDON CONTACTED ME. -AND SO, I GOT NOREEN'S NUMBER AND I CALLED
  • 00:17:50.290 --> 00:17:54.170
  • HER IMMEDIATELY. -YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. NOW THAT YOU
  • 00:17:54.180 --> 00:17:56.190
  • SAID, I REMEMBER THAT. -YEAH, -YEAH, GORDON CALLED ME AND
  • 00:17:56.200 --> 00:17:59.030
  • SAID, GORDON ROBERTSON CALLED ME AND SAID WE'VE GOT A SITUATION
  • 00:17:59.040 --> 00:18:01.080
  • WITH A WONDERFUL COUPLE. THEY'VE DONE A GREAT WORK IN TURKEY AND
  • 00:18:01.090 --> 00:18:03.210
  • THEY'VE GOT A PROBLEM. AND AT THAT POINT I THOUGHT IT WAS
  • 00:18:03.220 --> 00:18:05.200
  • GONNA BE THREE PHONE CALLS AND WE'LL GET HIM OUT. -RIGHT. AND
  • 00:18:05.210 --> 00:18:07.260
  • IT CERTAINLY WASN'T. -IT WAS NOT. -TWO YEARS LATER FROM
  • 00:18:07.270 --> 00:18:10.170
  • OCTOBER 7, 2016 TO OCTOBER 12TH, 2018. SO, IT WAS OVER TWO YEARS
  • 00:18:10.180 --> 00:18:16.210
  • OF DAILY JUST WORKING AND ADVOCATING AND GOING TO D.C. AND
  • 00:18:16.220 --> 00:18:22.280
  • GOING TO THE WORKING GROUP ON ARBITRARY DETENTION AT THE
  • 00:18:22.290 --> 00:18:25.060
  • UNITED NATIONS AND TALKING TO NOREEN EVERY DAY OF WHAT'S GOING
  • 00:18:25.070 --> 00:18:28.280
  • ON AND KEEPING UP WITH THE TRIALS THAT HAPPENED IN TURKEY.
  • 00:18:28.290 --> 00:18:31.170
  • -WHICH BRINGS UP AN INTERESTING ASPECT OF IT, SO, NOREEN, YOU
  • 00:18:31.180 --> 00:18:33.190
  • KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON EVERY DAY, AND, ANDREW, YOU DON'T BECAUSE
  • 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:36.110
  • YOU'RE IN THE JAIL. AND YOU COULD SEE EACH OTHER, WAS IT
  • 00:18:36.120 --> 00:18:39.010
  • ONCE A WEEK IS WHEN THEY ALLOWED A VISITATION? -YES. -YEAH,
  • 00:18:39.020 --> 00:18:41.150
  • WE'VE GOT A SITUATION RIGHT NOW WITH PASTOR CAO WHERE,
  • 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:43.110
  • BASICALLY, ALMOST NO VISITATION. SO, HE HAS VERY LITTLE IDEA OF
  • 00:18:43.120 --> 00:18:48.050
  • WHAT'S GOING ON; A LITTLE BIT FROM HIS MOTHER, OCCASIONALLY.
  • 00:18:48.060 --> 00:18:51.040
  • EACH ONE OF THESE CASES ARE DIFFERENT. THIS IS A QUESTION
  • 00:18:51.050 --> 00:18:54.270
  • THAT'S COME IN FROM JIM ON FACEBOOK, AND HE SAID HOW DID
  • 00:18:54.280 --> 00:18:58.220
  • THE PEOPLE FROM YOUR CHURCH AND TURKEY RESPOND TO YOUR
  • 00:18:58.230 --> 00:19:00.200
  • INCARCERATION? -YEAH, I DON'T KNOW, I WASN'T. -YEAH, I'M SO
  • 00:19:00.210 --> 00:19:06.110
  • PROUD OF THEM. SO, OF COURSE, THERE WAS FEAR, AND THERE WAS A
  • 00:19:06.120 --> 00:19:10.110
  • REAL UNKNOWN BECAUSE THIS WAS A DIFFERENT, THIS WAS NEW
  • 00:19:10.120 --> 00:19:13.210
  • TERRITORY. SO, THE QUESTION IS WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO OTHERS?
  • 00:19:13.220 --> 00:19:16.030
  • WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE CHURCH? THERE WAS A LOT OF MEDIA
  • 00:19:16.040 --> 00:19:18.250
  • ATTENTION THAT WAS VERY DIFFICULT. BUT OVERALL, THOSE
  • 00:19:18.260 --> 00:19:22.050
  • WHO STAYED REALLY PRESSED IN TO PRAYER, TO WORSHIP, AND,
  • 00:19:22.060 --> 00:19:25.260
  • ACTUALLY, BECAME STRONGER. SO, I'M VERY PROUD OF THEM. -ALL
  • 00:19:25.270 --> 00:19:29.040
  • RIGHT, SO YOU'RE IN PRISON, THE CHURCH IS RESPONDING. LET'S GO
  • 00:19:29.050 --> 00:19:34.210
  • AHEAD AND TAKE A CALL AND THEN WE'LL GET, I'VE GOT A WHOLE
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  • SERIES OF QUESTIONS I'VE BEEN WANTING TO ASK YOU. -YEAH, IF
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  • YOU WANT TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS TO PASTOR BRUNSON'S WIFE, NOREEN,
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  • AGAIN, CALL 1-800-684-3110. WE ARE LIVE. THIS IS A UNIQUE
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  • OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT 1-800-684-3110. JERRY IS CALLING
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  • IN FROM RHODE ISLAND ON LINE TWO. JERRY, WELCOME TO JAY
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  • SEKULOW LIVE. -HELLO, TEAM. PASTOR & MRS. BRUNSON. MRS.
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  • BRUNSON, DO YOU RECALL WHEN JAY ASKED COLONEL WES TO LEAD ALL
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  • THE LISTENERS IN PRAYER ON A FRIDAY WHILE HE WAS IN A REALLY
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  • BAD DETENTION SITUATION? -YEAH. -AND BY MONDAY HE WAS LIFTED UP
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  • OUT OF A BAD ONE TO THE NEXT ONE. AND DO YOU SEE HOW GOD
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  • WORKED TO EXPAND PRAYER, POWER PRAYER, INCLUDING USING THE
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  • PRESIDENT, AND PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTOOD WE'RE GONNA PRAY AND
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  • THEN THEY SAW THE RESULTS? DO YOU SEE HOW YOU WERE USED?
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  • -YES. WE'RE JUST REALLY HUMBLED BY WHAT GOD DID THROUGH THE
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  • PRAYERS OF HIS PEOPLE. ABSOLUTELY! -YOU KNOW, THAT WAS
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  • AN INTERESTING ONE BECAUSE I REMEMBER THAT WE WERE IN A,
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  • EVERYBODY WAS, WE WERE ALL VERY CONCERNED, OBVIOUSLY. AND YOU
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  • KNOW, I ALWAYS TELL EVERYBODY IN THESE CASES, AND I THINK YOU'LL
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  • UNDERSTAND FROM OUR END, WE, AS YOUR LAWYERS, HAVE TO APPROACH
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  • THIS VERY CLINICALLY. YOU CAN'T GET EMOTIONAL ABOUT IT. I MEAN,
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  • IT'S HARD NOT TO, BUT YOU'VE GOT TO BE VERY CLINICAL. YOU'VE GOT
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  • TO SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENED, WHAT DO WE DO? THIS
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  • MIGHT HAPPEN, WHAT'S THE NEXT PLAN? I MEAN, I HAD DOZENS OF
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  • CONVERSATIONS, I MEAN, WITH THE PRESIDENT. I MEAN, MORE THAN
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  • DOZENS. I MEAN, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ON HIS MIND,
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  • IT WAS ON DISCUSSIONS. I MEAN, I WAS, I'D BE IN THE OVAL OFFICE
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  • ON ANOTHER MATTER AND YOU WOULD COME UP. I MEAN, IT WAS JUST,
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  • THIS WAS KIND OF A CONSTANT FRAME OF WHAT WAS GOING ON. BUT
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  • I DO REMEMBER, WHEN WES WAS SITTING IN THE CHAIR THAT
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  • NOREEN'S IN, OR MAYBE IT WAS ANDREW'S CHAIR, THAT WE WERE
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  • VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. AND WE JUST SAID, IN THE MIDDLE OF A
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  • BROADCAST, WE'RE TALKING TO MILLIONS OF PEOPLE, WE JUST
  • 00:21:22.090 --> 00:21:23.230
  • SAID, LET'S STOP A MOMENT AND PRAY. IT MAKES IMPACT. WHAT IS
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  • THE LENGTH OF THE PRAYER THAT WE'RE GONNA PLAY? ABOUT A MINUTE
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  • 10 SECONDS? ALL RIGHT, SO YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THIS ON, YOU
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  • HAVEN'T HEARD THIS ON RADIO. FACEBOOK AND PERISCOPE, YOU JUST
  • 00:21:33.030 --> 00:21:35.070
  • DID. THE CULMINATION OF THE RELEASE, AND WE'LL TALK MORE
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  • ABOUT THAT IN A MOMENT, WAS THIS PRAYER IN THE OVAL OFFICE TO THE
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  • PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. -LORD GOD, I ASK THAT YOU POUR
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  • OUT YOUR HOLY SPIRIT ON PRESIDENT TRUMP, THAT YOU GIVE
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  • HIM SUPERNATURAL WISDOM TO ACCOMPLISH ALL THE PLANS YOU
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  • HAVE FOR THIS COUNTRY AND FOR HIM. I ASK THAT YOU GIVE HIM
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  • WISDOM ON HOW TO LEAD THIS COUNTRY INTO RIGHTEOUSNESS. I
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  • ASK THAT YOU GIVE HIM PERSEVERANCE AND ENDURANCE AND
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  • COURAGE TO STAND FOR TRUTH. I ASK THAT YOU PROTECT THEM FROM
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  • SLANDER FROM ENEMIES FROM THOSE WHO WOULD UNDERMINE. I ASK THAT
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  • YOU MAKE HIM A GREAT BLESSING TO THIS COUNTRY. FILL HIM WITH YOUR
  • 00:22:19.030 --> 00:22:23.180
  • WISDOM AND STRENGTH AND PERSEVERANCE, AND WE BLESS HIM.
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  • MAY HE BE A GREAT BLESSING TO OUR COUNTRY. IN JESUS' NAME, WE
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  • BLESS YOU. AMEN. [AMEN] -AND I JUST WANT TO PRAY THAT THE
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  • SPIRIT OF THE LORD WILL REST ON THE PRESIDENT, THE SPIRIT OF
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  • WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING, THE SPIRIT OF COUNSEL AND MIGHT, THE
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  • SPIRIT OF KNOWLEDGE AND FEAR OF THE LORD. AMEN. -ALL RIGHT,
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  • THAT DOES IT FOR THE BROADCAST TODAY. WE'RE ABLE TO COME TO YOU
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  • AT THE TRINITY BROADCASTING NETWORK EVERY WEEK TO BRING YOU
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  • CASES JUST LIKE THIS. AGAIN, A HUGE THANK YOU TO TBN AND THE
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  • TBN FAMILY BUT PRAY FOR PASTOR CAO. IT MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE
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  • FOR HIS FAMILY AS WELL AS WE SEEK HIS RELEASE. WE'VE BEEN
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  • TALKING ABOUT PASTOR BRUNSON, GREAT VICTORY THERE; LIKE TO SEE
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  • THE SAME THING HAPPEN IN PASTOR CAO'S CASE. TALK TO YOU NEXT
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  • WEEK.
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