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July 7, 2020
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New Strzok Notes Confirm Plot Against Flynn

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  • (inviting music)
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  • - Newly released notesfrom Peter Strzok
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  • and the FBI confirm theObama Administration's plot
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  • to take down the Trump Admin
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  • and General Flynn.
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  • We'll talk about todayon the broadcast.
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  • (music fades)
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  • Wanted to spend more time
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  • going through the ramifications
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  • of just this half-page of notes
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  • released by Peter Strzok
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  • that confirm what we now know,
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  • the January 5th meetingat the White House
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  • with Peter Strzok andyou've got Jim Comey.
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  • You've also got Susan Rice,
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  • the President of theUnited States at the time,
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  • President Obama,the Vice President
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  • of the UnitedStates at the time,
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  • Vice President Biden,all at this meeting,
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  • and you've got theVice President,
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  • who's now the Democratparty's candidate
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  • for President of theUnited States, Joe Biden.
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  • He's the first one inthe notes mentioned,
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  • and it's talking aboutusing the Logan Act.
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  • Now, to remind you,
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  • remember, this wasan investigation
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  • they were ready to close.
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  • It actually looks likethat from Jim Comey,
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  • who's testified plenty.
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  • So, I would like to goback to him and say,
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  • "When you said thatthe Flynn calls,
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  • "yes he was, Flynn and Kislyak,
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  • "were talking on calls,
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  • "but they appear legit.
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  • "So are you saying thatMike Flynn was doing
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  • "the whole time was just normal,
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  • "kinda what you do as atransition coming in?"
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  • You would, likelyif you were gonna be
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  • the incoming NationalSecurity Advisor,
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  • potentially reach out
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  • to one of thesuperpower's ambassadors,
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  • so one of Russia's ambassadors.
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  • It's not like,
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  • we made out Russiaduring the Mueller Report
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  • to be almost like we have
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  • no diplomaticrelationship with Russia
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  • or they're like Iran,
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  • and they don't havean embassy operator.
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  • They have a fully functioning.
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  • I go to Thann Bennett,Washington, DC.
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  • I mean, Thann, thisambassador, Kislyak,
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  • he was well-knownin Washington, DC.
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  • The embassy from Russia is the,
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  • I think, the secondlargest embassy in DC,
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  • behind the UK, maybe.
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  • I mean, so you got the UK,
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  • you have Russia's embassy,
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  • you have Chinese embassy,
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  • and these are countriesthat are operating,
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  • not just at the United Nations
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  • with their mission,
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  • but they literally havetheir ambassadors here,
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  • and as we see fromJim Comey in a meeting
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  • with the Presidentof the United States
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  • and Vice Presidentof the United States,
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  • President Obama,Vice President Biden,
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  • and he say that these callslook absolutely legit.
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  • - Jordan, if you're the incomingNational Security Advisor,
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  • and you're not havingconversations withthose officials,
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  • you are not doing yourjob, plain and simple,
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  • and a couple of justvery top-line takeaways
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  • from these notes thatwe're gonna get into,
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  • if you're Director Comey,
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  • and if theseconversations are legit,
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  • then Jordan, why acouple of weeks later
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  • do you just send acouple of guys over
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  • to try to trap General Flynn
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  • if there's a legitimateconversation going on here?
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  • And look, I think I cananswer my own question there
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  • because while Director Comey
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  • has dirty handson this all over,
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  • it's because the Presidentof the United States,
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  • the outgoing President,
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  • and the Vice Presidentdirected it, Jordan.
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  • I mean, that's whatthese notes say.
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  • It really does.
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  • You get the right people on it.
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  • Who are the right people?
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  • The right people at thispoint was Director Comey
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  • and Peter Strzok.
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  • - We'll be right back withmore of our discussion
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  • about what we're doingright now at the ACLJ
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  • when we're backat the broadcast.
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  • (inviting music)
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  • Now, after this briefing,
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  • we know that PresidentObama asked Sally Yates
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  • to Jim Comey to, "Stay behind."
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  • Said he had, "learned of theinformation about Flynn,"
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  • and his conversation withthe Russia's ambassador
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  • about sanctions, Obama specified
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  • he did not want any additionalinformation on the manner.
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  • He was seeking info onwhether the White House
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  • should be treatingFlynn any differently
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  • given the information.
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  • We know that now.
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  • Literally, we havethat in the notes
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  • from Peter Strzok,
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  • and we also knowthat that same day
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  • that this meeting occurredin the Oval Office
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  • with Peter Strzok andthe Vice President
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  • and the Presidentof the United States
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  • and Sally Yates and Susan Rice
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  • and Jim Comey that the same day,
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  • Obama's Chief ofStaff, Denis McDonough,
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  • puts in an unmaskingrequest to Mike Flynn.
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  • Then, we know thatseven days later,
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  • the last unmasking request
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  • that we've been reported on yet,
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  • this is last we'vebeen reported on,
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  • comes from Vice President Biden,
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  • and it's not his Chiefof Staff that's named.
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  • Thann, that's aninteresting point too.
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  • I mean, just to remind people,
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  • January 12th, thisis just a few days
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  • before they wereleaving the White House.
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  • They're no longergoing to be there
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  • to direct thisoperation anymore,
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  • and I think that'swhy you get a gap too
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  • between this timeperiod of January,
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  • and it takes until May
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  • until they get a SpecialCounsel appointed.
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  • So, there's a gap
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  • because you basicallyhad Jim Comey
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  • and Peter Strzok triedto do this on their own
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  • without taking their orders
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  • from the Vice President,
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  • who suggested howto keep it alive
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  • with the Logan Act,
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  • but I think it'simportant to point out
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  • that that unmasking request
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  • that Joe Biden hasn'tgotten pressed on enough,
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  • and I think these notesmight lead to that,
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  • it has him directly listed.
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  • It doesn't listhis Chief of Staff
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  • or one of his deputies even.
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  • It literally listsVice President Biden.
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  • It's the last unmaskingrequest we know about
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  • from the Obama Administration.
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  • - Well, a coupleof different things
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  • on that point, Jordan.
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  • First of all, I thinkmaybe president Obama
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  • was a little bit Shrewderthan Vice President Biden,
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  • so at least to send someone else
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  • to do his unmasking.
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  • It is pretty telling
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  • that the Vice Presidentdid it specifically,
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  • but I would tell you,
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  • I think it's weirdon both levels.
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  • If you go all the waydown to the UN ambassador,
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  • why is someone that uninvolved
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  • making an unmasking request,
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  • and then you go all the wayup to the Vice President.
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  • Why is someone that elitemaking an unmasking request?
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  • Jordan, these unmasking requests
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  • are supposed to comefrom career officials
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  • who are directly involvedin the intelligence
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  • so that the decision-makers,
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  • the policy-makers,the President,
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  • and the Vice Presidentdon't actually see that,
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  • then they get it aggregatedand briefed to them.
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  • So, I think it's very strange
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  • that the unmaskinghappened on both levels,
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  • and I do think it's alsoimportant to point out,
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  • Jordan, all of thisdocumentation that we have,
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  • from the unmasking to theJanuary 4th field office memo
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  • to the memo of theJanuary 5th meeting
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  • that Susan Rice wrote later.
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  • Jordan, that'sall because groups
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  • like the ACLJ havegotten involved
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  • and demanded this informationbe available to the public.
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  • It's come fromdifferent sources.
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  • We've had to piece it together,
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  • but Jordan, can you imagine
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  • if we didn't haveall this information
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  • and did not know the extent
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  • to which the outgoingObama Administration
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  • was trying to undermine theincoming administration?
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  • It's very critical
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  • that we can now pieceall of this together.
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  • - I mean, this is, again,
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  • Joe Biden has been asked about
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  • how much he knew about this,
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  • and bizarrely, hetries to play it down
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  • and then kinda couches it
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  • in this interview that isnow getting played again
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  • with George Stephanopoulos,
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  • but I just wanna point out
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  • that the first person wealso know about in the notes,
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  • so the first and thelast is Joe Biden.
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  • Okay, the last unmaskingrequest of Mike Flynn
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  • that we know aboutis literally listing
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  • Vice President Joe Biden.
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  • The first person onthese Strzok notes
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  • that they believe that this was
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  • what was important andwhat could be unclassified
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  • is the Vice President of theUnited States, Joe Biden,
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  • suggesting how to keepan investigation open
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  • of Mike Flynn.
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  • How about we use the Logan Act?
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  • Now, literally it's alaw that has existed
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  • but never used against anyone.
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  • In fact, it wasn't usedagainst Mike Flynn.
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  • It wasn't actually, remember,
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  • Mike Flynn thatcame back and said,
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  • "You didn't tell us allabout your phone calls."
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  • They didn't say, "Youviolated the Logan Act."
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  • That's because no one believes
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  • the Logan Act'sactually constitutional.
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  • It was written in a time period
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  • where you could say,
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  • it would actually make sense
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  • that a US person shouldnot hold themselves out
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  • to be someone whorepresents the government,
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  • so they shouldn'tconduct foreign policy
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  • outside of thestructure of the US.
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  • It was written at thebeginning of our country
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  • when someone wouldhave to get on a boat
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  • to go overseas,
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  • could take them months or a year
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  • to deliver their message,
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  • foreign policy decisions.
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  • And so, you wanted to make sure
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  • the people deliveringthat message
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  • were actually fromthe United States
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  • and from the US government,
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  • but when you lookat that law now,
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  • you realize that can'teven be enforced,
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  • and it's likelyunconstitutional.
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  • It violates the FirstAmendment to the Constitution,
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  • the freedom of speech,
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  • the ability to talk topeople from overseas.
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  • Now, we've had a lotof globalization.
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  • We've had a lot ofchanges in our technology,
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  • but again, thefact that you could
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  • have anyone you want via video
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  • on your personal phonethat's in your pocket,
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  • that was Jetsons-like20 years ago.
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  • So, imagine 1799writing that into law.
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  • I mean, so again, itmade sense at the time.
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  • This is where Joe Bidengets into hot water
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  • is when he's pressedwith direct questions
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  • from people likeGeorge Stephanopoulos
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  • on these Sunday shows,
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  • and listen, if you're running
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  • for President ofthe United States,
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  • you're gonna get askedquestions direct,
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  • and you start answering direct,
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  • and Joe Biden wasthere in the room,
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  • but take a listen tohow he first denies
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  • having anything todo with Mike Flynn.
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  • - What did you knowabout those moves
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  • to investigate Michael Flynn,
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  • and was there anythingimproper done?
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  • - I know nothingabout those moves
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  • to investigate Michael Flynn.
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  • - I do wanna press that.
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  • You say you didn'tknow anything about it,
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  • but you were reported to be
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  • at a January 5, 2017 meeting
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  • where you and thePresident were briefed
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  • on the FBI's plan toquestion Michael Flynn.
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  • - I thought you asked me
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  • whether or not Ihad anything to do
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  • with him being prosecuted.
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  • I'm sorry.- Okay.
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  • - I was aware that theyasked for an investigation,
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  • but that's all I know about it.
  • 00:09:48.038 --> 00:09:50.441
  • - That's all I know about it?
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  • I mean, Thann, weknow now that's a lie.
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  • And again, we know it's a lie
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  • because the VicePresident's suggesting
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  • what laws to use togo after Mike Flynn.
  • 00:09:58.015 --> 00:10:00.317
  • - It's a lie and one thatisn't even believable.
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  • Jordan, that interviewis from six weeks ago.
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  • That's not likeit's an interview
  • 00:10:05.456 --> 00:10:06.990
  • that was happening when hehad a whole lot going on.
  • 00:10:06.990 --> 00:10:08.459
  • That's well after thisbecame a headline story.
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  • He certainly would havetaken careful recollection
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  • of what he was involved with,
  • 00:10:13.931 --> 00:10:15.165
  • and Jordan, not only infront of the President
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  • of the UnitedStates, Barack Obama,
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  • did he recommend a looking into
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  • the Logan Act, a violation,
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  • but he also personally issued
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  • one of these unmasking requests.
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  • So, it's not just like he had
  • 00:10:25.943 --> 00:10:27.111
  • some glancinginvolvement either,
  • 00:10:27.111 --> 00:10:29.379
  • and now he's trying to actlike it was insignificant.
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  • Jordan, he was one ofthe main players here,
  • 00:10:32.816 --> 00:10:34.685
  • and this lie that sayshe was not involved in it
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  • was made at a timewhere you know, Jordan,
  • 00:10:38.822 --> 00:10:41.658
  • he has taken a look,
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  • and he has full recollection
  • 00:10:43.494 --> 00:10:44.828
  • of what he was involved in,
  • 00:10:44.828 --> 00:10:46.029
  • and yet he stilltried to pass it off
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  • as if he wasn't involved.
  • 00:10:47.431 --> 00:10:48.932
  • - Again, as we're walkingthrough these timelines,
  • 00:10:48.932 --> 00:10:50.634
  • the day before this meeting
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  • that we now have notes from,
  • 00:10:51.902 --> 00:10:53.303
  • Peter Strzok'shand-written notes
  • 00:10:54.438 --> 00:10:56.874
  • implicating the Presidentof the United States,
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  • President Obama,implicating Joe Biden,
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  • Vice President of theUnited States at the time,
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  • he's got Sally Yates there.
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  • He's got Susan Rice in the room,
  • 00:11:06.517 --> 00:11:07.451
  • and he's got Jim Comey as well,
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  • and you realize thatthe day before this,
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  • the FBI was ready to close.
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  • They were ready toclose the investigation
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  • into Mike Flynn.
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  • So, the FBI drafted a document
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  • and had gone toPeter Strzok's desk
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  • on January 4, 2017.
  • 00:11:27.037 --> 00:11:28.539
  • That was Crossfire Razor.
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  • Okay, this was beforeCrossfire Hurricane,
  • 00:11:31.041 --> 00:11:33.377
  • so before it expandsto President Trump
  • 00:11:33.377 --> 00:11:35.345
  • and tried to buildthis narrative
  • 00:11:37.314 --> 00:11:39.082
  • that it was the Trump campaign
  • 00:11:39.082 --> 00:11:40.450
  • were the Russian agents,
  • 00:11:40.450 --> 00:11:42.019
  • not just Mike Flynn,
  • 00:11:42.019 --> 00:11:43.754
  • but we know that theywere ready to close it.
  • 00:11:43.754 --> 00:11:46.623
  • Basically, before we getto a Special Counsel,
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  • whether you actually have,
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  • if you think thatthe investigation
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  • was legitimate ornot to begin with,
  • 00:11:52.829 --> 00:11:54.398
  • and I think with PeterStrzok leading the charge,
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  • you can question that,
  • 00:11:56.466 --> 00:11:57.701
  • but his own agents wereready to close it out
  • 00:11:57.701 --> 00:12:00.270
  • and were suggesting totheir boss, Peter Strzok,
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  • that it be closed.
  • 00:12:02.706 --> 00:12:04.041
  • So, we woulda neverhad a Special Counsel.
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  • We wouldn't have drug thecountry through impeachment.
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  • We wouldn't of had these issues.
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  • We wouldn't of been so divisive,
  • 00:12:10.247 --> 00:12:12.583
  • and honestly the impeachment,
  • 00:12:12.583 --> 00:12:14.084
  • which had nothing to dowith the Special Counsel.
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  • I mean, even that, thinkabout that for a moment.
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  • Remind yourself, theSpecial Counsel closes,
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  • and then they'reimpeaching President Trump
  • 00:12:21.258 --> 00:12:23.460
  • over a phone call with Ukraine
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  • with 35 people listening in?
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  • And you just don't likethe policy decisions?
  • 00:12:28.131 --> 00:12:29.366
  • You don't like the wayhe conducts business
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  • as President ofthe United States?
  • 00:12:32.269 --> 00:12:33.470
  • And so, your impeachmentdoesn't go anywhere,
  • 00:12:33.470 --> 00:12:35.572
  • but so they were ready.
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  • Review of logical databasedoes not yield info
  • 00:12:37.074 --> 00:12:39.343
  • on which to predicate furtherinvestigative efforts.
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  • We don't have anythingelse to investigate here.
  • 00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:44.548
  • We've looked at everything,
  • 00:12:44.548 --> 00:12:45.682
  • and there's nothing wrong here.
  • 00:12:45.682 --> 00:12:47.918
  • Now, at the time,
  • 00:12:47.918 --> 00:12:49.119
  • they already knowabout the phone calls.
  • 00:12:49.119 --> 00:12:50.520
  • They knew about thecontent of the phone calls.
  • 00:12:50.520 --> 00:12:51.788
  • Jim Comey, the dayafter this report,
  • 00:12:51.788 --> 00:12:54.391
  • is saying the phonecalls were legit.
  • 00:12:54.391 --> 00:12:57.160
  • So, they knew whatthey were dealing with,
  • 00:12:57.160 --> 00:12:59.796
  • but Peter Strzok that same day
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  • before they were gonna go meet
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  • with the Presidentand Vice President,
  • 00:13:04.234 --> 00:13:05.702
  • before they were gonnameet with Obama and Biden,
  • 00:13:05.702 --> 00:13:07.337
  • he says, "Don't close Razor.
  • 00:13:07.337 --> 00:13:09.506
  • "The seventh floor is involved."
  • 00:13:09.506 --> 00:13:11.275
  • Now, the reference of course,
  • 00:13:11.275 --> 00:13:12.542
  • you all know, is theseventh floor now
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  • means the topechelons of the FBI,
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  • but Peter Strzok is partof that top echelon.
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  • I want to remind you that,
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  • and he was withthe Andrew McCabes
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  • and the Jim Comeysthroughout this.
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  • We'll be right back withmore of our discussion
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  • about what we're doingright now at the ACLJ
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  • when we're backon the broadcast.
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  • (inviting music)
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  • I want you to listen to this.
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  • This is Senator Marco Rubio.
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  • He was talking directly about
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  • what we just played for you
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  • before we went to break,
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  • and that's Joe Biden onwith George Stephanopoulos,
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  • and he's denying knowinganything about with Mike Flynn,
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  • and then he's saying,
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  • "Well, I knew aboutthe investigation,
  • 00:13:52.062 --> 00:13:53.596
  • "but I wasn't directing anypart of the investigation."
  • 00:13:53.596 --> 00:13:56.700
  • Then, we know now fromPeter Strzok's own notes
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  • that it was JoeBiden was suggesting
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  • how to keep investigation alive.
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  • It's the onlyinterpretation I have
  • 00:14:03.106 --> 00:14:04.541
  • from him bringingup the Logan Act,
  • 00:14:04.541 --> 00:14:06.576
  • that it was VicePresident Biden.
  • 00:14:06.576 --> 00:14:08.445
  • I mean, this justkinda sat with me
  • 00:14:08.445 --> 00:14:09.713
  • for these last 24 hours
  • 00:14:09.713 --> 00:14:11.281
  • since we saw this come out,
  • 00:14:11.281 --> 00:14:13.383
  • and when I keep lookingdown and seeing VP
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  • and his handwriting,the Logan Act,
  • 00:14:17.454 --> 00:14:19.889
  • and then he tries tobring it back again,
  • 00:14:21.491 --> 00:14:25.829
  • when he's quotedagain by Peter Strzok
  • 00:14:25.829 --> 00:14:28.465
  • in his handwrittennotes by Peter Strzok,
  • 00:14:28.465 --> 00:14:30.667
  • "I've been on the intelcommittee for 10 years.
  • 00:14:30.667 --> 00:14:31.801
  • "I've never seen,"
  • 00:14:31.801 --> 00:14:33.236
  • and then you havePresident Obama
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  • cutting him off there,
  • 00:14:34.170 --> 00:14:35.472
  • but he's kindacome up with a way
  • 00:14:35.472 --> 00:14:36.873
  • to keep this alive,
  • 00:14:36.873 --> 00:14:38.041
  • and in fact itdoes keep it alive.
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  • So, I just wanna play for you
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  • what Senator Rubio.
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  • Okay? So, Senator Rubioof Florida had to say
  • 00:14:43.813 --> 00:14:47.183
  • about Joe Biden,
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  • now looking backwith these notes
  • 00:14:48.184 --> 00:14:51.187
  • and looking back at the GeorgeStephanopoulos interview,
  • 00:14:51.187 --> 00:14:54.824
  • what Senator Rubio issaying about Joe Biden.
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  • - First, he didn'tknow anything about it.
  • 00:14:57.627 --> 00:14:58.895
  • Then, he said he was aware.
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  • Now, there's documents saying
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  • he might have been the one,
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  • Joe Biden, to say,
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  • "Let's investigateMichael Flynn."
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  • Your final thought?
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  • - Well, I think ultimately,
  • 00:15:06.002 --> 00:15:07.303
  • if all this proves to be true,
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  • then there's really only twothings to conclude from it.
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  • Either, A, he's sufferingfrom severe memory loss,
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  • or, B, he's not being honest.
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  • He's lying.
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  • So, we'll find out soon enough,
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  • when the Judiciary Committeedoes its investigation
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  • in the eyes of,
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  • right in front ofthe American people,
  • 00:15:23.953 --> 00:15:25.555
  • but either he's got memory loss,
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  • or he's not telling the truth.
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  • Neither one of those is good.
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  • - No, I mean, neitherone of those is good,
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  • and I do think Joe Bidendoes not seem very competent
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  • anytimes he's gettingpressed on these things,
  • 00:15:34.464 --> 00:15:36.833
  • but you saw, Thann, actually,
  • 00:15:36.833 --> 00:15:38.401
  • when he got askedthese direct questions,
  • 00:15:38.401 --> 00:15:40.036
  • he immediately cameout with an answer.
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  • He didn't try to couchthe first answer.
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  • He tried to couchthe second time
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  • and try to rewordwhat he wasn't asked
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  • by George Stephanopoulos.
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  • He wasn't askeddirectly about it.
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  • Were you involved in theactual investigation,
  • 00:15:52.348 --> 00:15:55.318
  • or were involved inthe actual prosecution?
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  • And of course, hewasn't involved
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  • in the prosecution, technically.
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  • What he was involved with
  • 00:16:02.158 --> 00:16:03.359
  • was keeping theinvestigation alive
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  • for a few weeks becausethey were leaving office,
  • 00:16:05.962 --> 00:16:08.331
  • but he didn't act likea confused person there.
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  • He actually looked, to me,
  • 00:16:11.935 --> 00:16:13.903
  • I think it's more the lying,
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  • and not just Joe Bidenbeing caught off-guard
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  • with memory loss,
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  • as Rubio said, it'seither one or the other,
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  • because he wasactually so coherent
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  • with these two answers.
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  • He actually tried to flipGeorge Stephanopoulos' words
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  • on George Stephanopoulos
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  • and try to dance around it
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  • without a lot of prodding.
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  • - Jordan, he got caught.
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  • I mean, he didn'texpect his friend,
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  • George Stephanopoulosto call him on this,
  • 00:16:36.893 --> 00:16:38.461
  • but he got caught,
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  • and he didn't havean answer for it,
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  • and you say he wasn'ttechnically involved
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  • in the prosecution,
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  • and that istechnically accurate,
  • 00:16:44.334 --> 00:16:45.568
  • but Jordan, the peoplewho were responsible
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  • for pursuing the investigation
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  • and then turning it over
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  • for a decision on prosecution
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  • had made their decision,
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  • and their decisionwas to close the case,
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  • and it was only becauseof the intervention
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  • of Peter Strzok and Jim Comey
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  • and now apparentlyPresident Obama
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  • and Vice President Biden
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  • that that prosecutorialdecision began again,
  • 00:17:02.285 --> 00:17:04.888
  • and Jordan, I wouldjust tell you this.
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  • It's just shocking to me
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  • that General Flynnand his attorneys
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  • are just now gettingthis information.
  • 00:17:09.993 --> 00:17:12.095
  • How is it possible that you'vebeen through all of this,
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  • and they're just nowgetting the information?
  • 00:17:14.330 --> 00:17:15.999
  • And I think theline that you read
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  • from General Flynn'sattorney, Sidney Powell,
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  • really says it maybethe most succinctly
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  • when she said thatDirector Comey, himself,
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  • and the highest levels ofthe Obama Administration,
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  • that means the Presidentand the Vice President,
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  • had the transcriptsof Flynn's call
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  • with officials ofother countries
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  • and knew General Flynn'scalls were lawful
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  • and proper and yet, Jordan,
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  • they made the decisionto continue prosecution.
  • 00:17:37.854 --> 00:17:40.823
  • He might not have beeninvolved in the prosecution,
  • 00:17:40.823 --> 00:17:43.092
  • but they made this decisionto start it up again.
  • 00:17:43.092 --> 00:17:45.328
  • - You go back to the interview,
  • 00:17:45.328 --> 00:17:47.697
  • Joe Biden literally says,
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  • "I know nothing about the movesto investigate Mike Flynn"
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  • in the first partof the interview.
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  • He doesn't say, "prosecute."
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  • He says, "investigate."
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  • Then, he turns it around whenGeorge Stephanopoulos said,
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  • "Well, we now know thatyou were in a meeting
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  • "on January 5th."
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  • By the way, Joe Bidenjust confirmed that for us
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  • in that interview, also.
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  • He confirmed PeterStrzok's notes.
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  • He confirmed all this,puts it all together,
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  • about how involved the Presidentof the United States...
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  • Imagine if President Trump...
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  • Okay? They wanted tohave an impeachment
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  • over phone calls 'cause theythought he was suggesting
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  • that to get any of the aid
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  • for the United States,
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  • opened up that you hadto investigate Joe Biden,
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  • who at the time was not anactual government official
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  • and who was not,
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  • his family members werenot government officials,
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  • but we went throughimpeachment over that.
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  • Okay? Took thecountry through that
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  • right into basically a pandemic.
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  • So, when you go backand actually look
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  • at what Joe Biden'strying to deny,
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  • I think he's extremelycompetent on this,
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  • which makes me think heactually cared about this one.
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  • He was actually involved.
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  • We know in hisfirst denial, Thann,
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  • he literally usesthe word investigate.
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  • He didn't just say, "Ididn't know about Flynn,"
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  • 'cause that wouldn'thave been right.
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  • So, he tried to couch it.
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  • I guess he triedto couch it there.
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  • He didn't couch it effectively.
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  • Had to go back and say,
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  • "Oh, I thought youwere talking about
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  • "actually the prosecution,"
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  • but that's not evenwhat Joe Biden said.
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  • He said investigate,
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  • and then you bring up too
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  • that you've got aSusan Rice letter
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  • a couple weeks after this,
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  • the final day of office
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  • for the Obama Administration,
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  • the day that PresidentTrump is being sworn in,
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  • and she's writingan email saying,
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  • "Everything's done by the book."
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  • By the book, by the book.
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  • - Yeah, first of all,on the Vice President,
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  • I mean, yes, you did knowthey were investigating
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  • because you werethrowing out ideas
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  • on where that investigationcould pursue to.
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  • So, there's just no articulation
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  • of that conversationwhere he didn't know
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  • it was investigatingcould be accurate,
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  • and you're right, Jordan.
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  • On the Susan Rice memo,
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  • I mean, remember,this was not a memo
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  • that Susan Rice made immediately
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  • after leaving the Oval Office.
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  • That's essentially whatwe have from Peter Strzok,
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  • his notes from that dayor from that moment.
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  • Jordan, a couple of weeks later,
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  • on the last day inpower for Susan Rice,
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  • she found this meetingon January 5th,
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  • that we've been talking about,
  • 00:20:07.870 --> 00:20:09.105
  • significant enough thatone of her last tasks
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  • while being in power
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  • was to memorialize that meeting
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  • and try to cover the tracks,
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  • and I just gotta tieit to the news today,
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  • that she's on the short list
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  • for Vice President of Bidento be his running mate.
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  • I mean, Jordan, if you'reVice President Biden,
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  • and you're worriedabout this meeting,
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  • what would be oneof the best ways
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  • to try to inoculateyourself against that?
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  • It would be to put oneof the other people
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  • who was in that meetingand memorialized it
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  • in a way that youare comfortable with
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  • on the ticket asyour running mate.
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  • Pretty telling, I think.
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  • - So, let's go to Larry
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  • in South Carolina on line one.
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  • Larry, welcome to"Jay Sekulow Live."
  • 00:20:40.103 --> 00:20:42.238
  • - Yeah, thank you.
  • 00:20:42.238 --> 00:20:43.806
  • I really enjoy your show.
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  • Thank you for taking my call.
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  • My question is with theactions of Judge Sullivan,
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  • do these warrantpossible investigation
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  • into his potentialremoval from the bench?
  • 00:20:57.787 --> 00:21:01.057
  • - I don't think so,
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  • and I'll say this why.
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  • It has been kindaunprecedented throughout.
  • 00:21:04.327 --> 00:21:06.796
  • So, remember, he was firstbrought these charges
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  • by the Department of Justice,
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  • and Mike Flynn pleadguilty to them,
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  • and that's basicallyhe was handling
  • 00:21:13.636 --> 00:21:15.438
  • that kind of what happens next?
  • 00:21:15.438 --> 00:21:18.241
  • And then, it gets turned around,
  • 00:21:18.241 --> 00:21:19.942
  • and it became an issue
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  • where the Departmentof Justice said,
  • 00:21:21.744 --> 00:21:22.979
  • "We were wrong to evenbring these charges.
  • 00:21:22.979 --> 00:21:24.247
  • "We didn't have alegitimate reason
  • 00:21:24.247 --> 00:21:25.781
  • "to even be investigating this.
  • 00:21:25.781 --> 00:21:26.616
  • "So, the whole premise
  • 00:21:26.616 --> 00:21:28.217
  • "of bringing thesecharges was tainted wrong,
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  • "and we're gonna drop this."
  • 00:21:29.952 --> 00:21:31.654
  • And then, I think he took some,
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  • Judge Sullivan tooksome very bizarre steps.
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  • Obviously, outside the norm.
  • 00:21:35.391 --> 00:21:36.993
  • Not even just bizarre,
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  • things we've never seen before,
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  • judges appointingAmicus to argue against
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  • and to basicallyre-prosecute Mike Flynn
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  • and things like that.
  • 00:21:47.336 --> 00:21:48.738
  • So, it was definitelybizarre actions by the judge,
  • 00:21:48.738 --> 00:21:50.506
  • but I think the truth is, Thann,
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  • where we should look
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  • and where Washington DC should,
  • 00:21:53.876 --> 00:21:55.411
  • it's not at the judiciary
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  • with Judge Sullivan, so much as,
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  • and you could say whathe did was absurd.
  • 00:21:59.682 --> 00:22:02.285
  • You could say it was ridiculous,
  • 00:22:02.285 --> 00:22:03.186
  • outside the norms.
  • 00:22:03.186 --> 00:22:04.687
  • The Court of Appealssmacked him down for it,
  • 00:22:04.687 --> 00:22:06.155
  • but it's looking at the FBI
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  • and Department of Justice
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  • under the Obama Administration
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  • and under the leadershipof people like Jim Comey
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  • and under the leadership ofthe previous administration
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  • that got to thepoint of even trying
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  • to bring these chargesagainst Mike Flynn.
  • 00:22:17.800 --> 00:22:19.602
  • Those are the people
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  • that should be investigated,the investigators.
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  • - Yeah, I agree with that.
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  • I think I'd say toLarry on Judge Sullivan,
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  • let's see if hefollows this order
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  • all the way completely.
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  • If he doesn't, at that point,
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  • then you might have an issue,
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  • but Jordan, you'reexactly correct.
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  • The reason that theprosecutorial powers exist
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  • in the Article Two branch,
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  • the executive branch,
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  • is because the people can elect
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  • the leadership of that branch,
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  • and then the peoplethat are appointed
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  • inside the executive branchhave more accountability
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  • to the people than dothe Article Three judges,
  • 00:22:45.561 --> 00:22:47.830
  • who, yes, they'renominated by the President,
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  • confirmed by the senate,
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  • but they're a layer removed,
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  • and they havelifetime appointments.
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  • That's why that power resides
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  • in the Article Two branch,
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  • but Jordan, when there's abuses
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  • inside that Article Two branch
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  • as there obviously were here,
  • 00:22:59.942 --> 00:23:02.078
  • there have to be consequences.
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  • So, I would look at VicePresident Biden's role in this
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  • and see if you think
  • 00:23:06.182 --> 00:23:07.783
  • that he should be re-putin charge of this,
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  • and then you have to holdpeople like Jim Comey
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  • and Andrew McCabeand Peter Strzok,
  • 00:23:12.288 --> 00:23:14.257
  • who clearly abuse their power,
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  • Jordan, you've gottahold them accountable.
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