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Sekulow | Jay Sekulow - Complete "Chaos" Erupts Amid Rogue Judge Order | August 6, 2025

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- welcome to "sekulow."
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Those judges are at it again.
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I feel like we are the scooby doo gang
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And they are the person hiding behind the monster mask.
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- right, not an actual monster.
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We know that it's a costume, logan.
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- it's 25 minutes of us trying to figure out
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And then having the same show once again,
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Which is, "oh, it was a rogue judge the whole time,
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And i would've gotten away with it."
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Yeah, it always feels like the same deal.
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This is the scooby doo effect, as we call it here in,
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They call it that in washington d.c.
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That's something we need to coin.
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- the scooby doo effect. - yeah, like sde.
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What is that?
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Scooby doo effect, happens. - oh, everybody knows that.
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- everyone knows that.
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So it's the new foia, really.
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1-800-684-3110, have your voice heard on the air today.
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And will, let's break this down.
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This has to do with the case
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Involving the defunding of planned parenthood.
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As you know, they said, "yes,
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You can defund planned parenthood."
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And they said, "well, let's hold off and see."
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Now it is even more of a mess
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As it sounds like 25% of planned parenthood
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Can still be funded?
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- cannot be funded. - cannot be funded.
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- or can be funded.
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It is convoluted.
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You're right the first time, here's what happens.
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- it's like the way they play the money game
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When it comes to life. - right.
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So the judge, remember,
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Gave a two-week temporary restraining order
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Blocking the implementing of the big beautiful bill portion
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That defunded planned parenthood.
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They had a hearing on friday,
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Which was three days early
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Because planned parenthood tried to get it moved back,
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But the government said, "no, we can do it early."
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So the judge took that up.
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They had their hearing early on friday
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And yesterday was the judge's own deadline
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For ruling on a preliminary injunction.
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- you may remember we talked about that being the deadline,
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That this was gonna happen very fast.
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Look, cece heil is going to be joining us,
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One of our senior attorneys here
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To really break this down from a legal perspective
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In the next segment.
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But i wanted you to have an understanding.
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This is what we're talking about,
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What we had talked about last week,
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Saying there was a specific deadline
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Put in place by this judge.
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- that's right.
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So the temporary restraining order
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Would only last until midnight last night
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On the 21st of july,
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And then either the law would go into effect
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Or she would have to rule on a preliminary injunction.
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Now, when our team came in this morning,
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And i was trying to explain what the judge did,
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I led with this, and so i want to say it to everyone.
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This is gonna hurt your brain,
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The logic and the hoops that the judge jumped through
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To try and come up
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With some sort of protection for planned parenthood.
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And at the end, she granted a preliminary injunction
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For about 25% of planned parenthood affiliates.
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She did not rule
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On a preliminary injunction
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For the remainder of them. - the 75%.
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And the idea is- - she said,
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"i'll take it under advisement."
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Even though she had given herself a deadline,
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She didn't say,
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"i don't grant a preliminary injunction in them" or "i do."
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She just said, "i'll take it under advisement,"
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Which essentially kicks the can down the road,
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But it allows for the defunding of that 75% for now.
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- yeah, so you understand,
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The reason it's the 75%
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Is she's saying roughly 25% of planned parenthood facilities
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Do not provide abortions.
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Of course, we know a lot of state laws have changed.
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We know a lot of state laws now no longer allow abortions.
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So of course what she's saying
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Is you can't justify defunding those places
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That don't support abortion,
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Not support abortion is the wrong word,
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If you're in planned parenthood, you support abortion.
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But if you don't provide abortion,
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Because planned parenthood is broken up
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Into individual states, individual regions and districts,
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It's not just all one corporation.
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Now there is the big corporation
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And that is what's been defunded, 75% of it.
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Look, this fight is gonna continue on.
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We're gonna have to get some specificity.
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We got to get ourselves together here, will.
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- [will] right, yeah.
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We're gonna break it down
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A little bit more with cece heil.
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She's a legal expert. she's gonna be able to tell you
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Exactly what this all means,
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What it looks like moving forward.
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And if she can't,
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Well, i'm just gonna tell you that she can.
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We'll be right back.
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- welcome back to "sekulow."
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Senior counsel, cece heil is joining us in studio
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To break this down.
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I think we got to restate it a little bit
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Because a lot of you are just joining us and it is,
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As will said, it's a bit of a head-scratcher
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As another judge, the same judge said,
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"hey, i'm gonna give myself my own deadline,"
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And the deadline passed and they said,
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"okay, 25% of planned parenthood can remain funded.
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75% can remain defunded temporarily for now,
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But i can look at it later on."
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I mean, am i missing anything here?
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- [will] i mean, that's pretty close.
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- that's almost like i put it into ai
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And said, "make this easy." - make it easy.
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But i think you could have also broken ai
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With this case because, cece,
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The judge went to great lengths
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To find a way to keep some money flowing
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To planned parenthood, and it goes into, i mean,
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When you read the factual statement basis of her order,
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It just goes into how wonderful
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And how necessary life-saving planned parenthood is,
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And that by picking and choosing,
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The government is putting
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Millions of people's lives at risk,
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That's always the favorite angle of everyone
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Is that if you cut money somewhere,
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By default, someone's life is at risk.
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That's kind of the status quo
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For government funding at this point.
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But what this judge did
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Was effectively grant the injunction.
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So allowing this subset of planned parenthood affiliates
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The ability to continue to receive government money
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While the vast majority,
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At least for now because of her deadline,
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The tro, the temporary restraining order expired,
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They won't be receiving medicaid reimbursement
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Or federal dollars.
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Break down what the judge did here
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And really kind of why it was so unusual for us to see this.
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- yeah, well, and just like you said,
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As i was reading the opinion,
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It's about i think 30 pages long.
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As i was reading the opinion,
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It definitely reads like an advertisement
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For planned parenthood.
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So you know exactly, as you read this,
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Where this judge's alliance and allegiance lies, definitely.
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However, she gets very creative
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Because in our amicus brief that we filed in this case,
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We absolutely argue the fact
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That there's no constitutional right for subsidies,
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That congress has the power of the purse,
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All of those arguments,
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Which are the constitutional arguments that yes,
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The federal government, when they're giving money,
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They can have strings to that.
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So she goes out and says,
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"okay, i'm gonna go and go to the freedom of association.
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That's where i'm going to go,"
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Because some of these planned parenthoods,
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And just to kind of put it into numbers,
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There's 47 members the planned parenthood federation has,
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So there's 47 members.
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- the members are essentially districts or states.
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- [cece] usually a state, yes.
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- planned parenthood of wherever.
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- massachusetts or of utah.
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Or we have of tennessee and northern mississippi.
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- they have them broken down,
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So they're organizations, probably, so they can say,
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"okay, this one needs more funding, less funding."
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- that's right. - when they're corporate.
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- the 47 members, there's about 600 clinics
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That these 47 members operate,
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And actually two of the members joined in this lawsuit.
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So the planned parenthood massachusetts
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And planned parenthood utah
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Were also members that joined individually,
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But she reaches to those members
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That actually didn't join individually,
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But she reaches to the other members
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And she basically says,
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"look, if you are just associated,
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Let's say you don't comply with, you provide abortions
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And you get less than $800,000
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Worth of medicaid reimbursements,
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Your only kind of harm or crime is that you're associated."
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But because of that association,
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The way that the law is written, it lumps in affiliates.
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She's saying, "well, that then violates
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Your freedom of association,"
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For those 10 clinics out of the 47, the 10 members,
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Not clinics, members, the 10 members
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That don't fall under that $800,000
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And providing abortion limit.
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And so i think you've already addressed this.
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I mean, overall, it is probably
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About 75% of the planned parenthoods
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That are not getting their funding.
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So that is a very, very good thing.
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But it's an interesting opinion that she's carving out-
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- [logan] the door stays a little open.
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- yes, abortion exception
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And the fact that she's taken it under advisement.
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So what that means to when an appeal can happen.
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- and that's right.
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So one, it also seems like she's set up a scenario
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Where you can have both the defendants,
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Which would be the government and the plaintiffs,
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Which would be planned parenthood,
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Both appealing her preliminary injunction ruling
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At some point because the government's saying
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You gave them too much.
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The planned parenthood's saying you're not giving us enough.
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So she may be trying to have threaded the needle
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For optics to some degree.
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But here's the other angle of it
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That has me scratching my head
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Is that we got the case of trump v. casa,
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Where that was about the preliminary injunctions
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At the supreme court,
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These nationwide universal injunctions,
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And the supreme court basically said
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That you can issue an injunction,
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Which is what we're dealing with here in this case,
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In a case before your court,
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To people that are before your court
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In the proper jurisdiction.
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And what we're starting to see out of this
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Is where she wanted to say planned parenthood
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Isn't that closely interrelated
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When it comes to the funding issue.
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So for government purposes,
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You have to look at them
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As just a bunch of different organizations that hang out.
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But when it comes to the injunction purposes,
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They are so intertwined
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That i can give injunctive relief to these 10 members,
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Only one of which was before the court.
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That would've been utah. massachusetts planned parenthood,
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Who was in her state, did not get injunctive relief.
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But others that weren't a party of it.
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So is it like she's trying to have it both ways
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That planned parenthood
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Isn't that closely related when it comes to funding,
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But when it comes to the purpose of this,
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I can give close to extra special injunction relief
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To parties that aren't even a part
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Of this lawsuit in practicality?
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- i think we're seeing, again, abortion distortion,
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Like you're saying,
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They're very tightly knit for one reason
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That supports her pro abortion stance,
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And they're not so tightly knit for another reason
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That doesn't support her pro abortion stance.
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We see that, and i think what you said
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About these injunctions and what the supreme court has said,
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Now judges are trying to get very creative
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Of how they don't run afoul of that,
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How they can possibly say,
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"i'm not giving a nationwide injunction."
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Although she is giving an injunction, again,
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Like two individual parties that were not before her court,
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They were not parties to this case,
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But she's lumping them in
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Because they are an affiliate
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Or a member of planned parenthood federation.
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- and on top of that, it seems that she found that pathway,
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And with the briefing obviously
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That planned parenthood federation for america
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Put forward of this first amendment violation,
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The freedom of association.
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As a matter of fact,
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She even goes into detail
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And says that, "by defunding these individual clinics,
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It could harm planned parenthood federation for america
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Because that could discourage membership
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In their organization from states that don't allow abortion,
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And therefore it impairs their ability
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To engage in advocacy."
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So now we're tying federal dollars
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To advocacy organizations,
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Which just seems like a bizarre situation in and of itself,
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But on top of that,
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Planned parenthood federation for america
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Doesn't receive medicaid reimbursement.
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It doesn't have clinics.
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It is the umbrella organization.
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So if we're starting to separate it out,
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Their only harm is that people may not want to pay them dues
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Because they may lose federal subsidies.
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- right, absolutely.
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She has crafted and created
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This freedom of association harm,
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And that's what she's relying on
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For the whole entire opinion.
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- i wanna take this phone call.
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We got a call specifically for cece.
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Jerry in rhode island.
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While you're here, cece,
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I wanna make sure you have time to take this call.
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Let's go ahead, jerry.
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- [jerry] cece, my question is,
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If i've heard your analysis on a lot of cases,
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Do you see the detached neutrality
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In this writing of this judge?
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And if not, is there oversight for those kind of judges?
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- well, okay, jerry, if you listened to me earlier,
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Which you were, the first thing when i said,
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When i read this opinion,
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It sounds like an ad for planned parenthood.
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So there's no guessing
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Where this judge's allegiance and alliance lies.
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She's not neutral.
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And yes, if judges are elected,
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Then you can get rid of them through that election process.
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If they're appointed,
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Then you need to make sure that you're, again,
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Voting for the people that are appointing judges.
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- [logan] just depends on your area.
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- it's kind of that kind of situation
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Of that's the oversight.
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Definitely not neutral.
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You can read the opinion.
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She's very much pro planned parenthood.
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- what's the next step here? okay, because our team
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Is obviously involved in massachusetts,
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We're involved so much in the life campaigns right now.
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We've got about a minute,
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But what are we gonna do here?
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- real quickly, we will watch this if an appeal is filed,
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If government files an appeal,
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We'll file an appeal supporting,
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And if the planned parenthood files appeal,
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We can file appeal or a brief against.
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- we may have two more briefs coming up
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Just at this appeal stage of the injunction
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Because now she set it up where we'll probably see one
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From the government and from planned parenthood.
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We'll
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(light music)
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(light music)
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(light music)
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- this is about planned parenthood,
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The whole defunding situation.
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Again, if you have not been following closely,
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Part of the big beautiful bill
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Was the defunding of planned parenthood.
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There was some rogue judges, a tro,
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Temporary restraining orders that went back and forth,
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Back and forth of will they still keep their funding?
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They say they deserve their funding,
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And now we sort of land on this situation
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Where as of yesterday,
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It was 75% could remain defunded while 25% remained funded
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Because those 25% didn't provide
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Specifically abortion practices.
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But here we are, will, with even yet another update.
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- this is something that we in some ways knew was coming.
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We didn't know how quickly,
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But the administration has already filed
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Their notice of appeal to the district court,
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Meaning they are taking up,
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They are appealing this preliminary injunction for that 25%,
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The 25%-ish that gets to continue receiving this funding.
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They are appealing that to the us court of appeals.
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We filed at the district court level, remember?
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And now we are going to be filing at this appeal
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To try and once again tell the court
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That this isn't an entitlement
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For planned parenthood to receive this funding.
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But there's also, logan, another case out of maine.
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There is a clinic there that falls under,
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They provide abortions
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And they receive over $800,000 in medicaid reimbursements.
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So they fit the definition of what will no longer
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Be funded under the big beautiful bill,
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But they aren't planned parenthood,
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So this case didn't affect them at all.
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They have sued in maine in district court,
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Which will still be in the same circuit,
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The appeals court circuit,
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The first circuit once it gets up there.
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But they have an interesting angle now
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Because the massachusetts court
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Allowed other planned parenthoods
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With the same definition as this main clinic
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To remain defunded.
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The law remains in place for them,
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So they're now trying to get their funding back
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Even though they meet the definition of the law,
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They can't rely
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On that first amendment freedom of association claim
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That the subset of planned parenthoods
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Got the injunction on in massachusetts.
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In maine, they drew a judge in the district court
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That happens to be a trump appointee,
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I think the only one in that district.
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So we'll see how that goes,
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But the aclj will be filing in that case in just days.
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So our attorneys are hard at work writing briefs,
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Filing briefs,
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And we will continue to fight this
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All the way to supreme court if we need to.
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- yeah, and of course that's been one of our key issues
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That we have been fighting for years and years.
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And you may think, hey,
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One of the big success stories of course
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Was the overturning of roe v. wade,
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But it opened up a whole new gamut of life cases.
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The defunding of planned parenthood
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Has always been one of those big issues.
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Look, here's what also really bothers me.
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If you support planned parenthood,
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Put your money where your mouth is.
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Make your donation.
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See a lot of people talking about the npr
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And the pbs situation right now.
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And look, as someone who is raised on pbs,
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Someone that was raised listening to npr,
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As someone who is thinks
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They actually have some great kids programming.
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Some has gone too far recently,
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But my kids were raised on it.
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Put your money where your mouth is.
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Be a supporter.
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That's what we talk about here.
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I'm not here asking for government funding.
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I'm not saying we demand government funding
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For our radio show, for our television show,
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For our streaming broadcast.
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- for our legal work. - for our legal work.
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That's not how it works.
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Support what you want to support.
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Why does the government have to be subsidizing this?
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If you're a big, trust me,
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There are billionaires who love npr, who love pbs.
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I wish there was more billionaires
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That loved what we do here. there's a few.
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This is where we're at.
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Support what you want to support.
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If you want to support planned parenthood,
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I don't believe you're right,
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But there's nothing stopping you.
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So for this kind of false narrative
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Of we demand government funding,
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We deserve government funding.
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Give me a break.
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We're going to be joined now by jeff ballabon,
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Head of aclj jerusalem.
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This is pretty interesting, and the aclj was very involved.
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This is something you need to really look
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At the way your government runs,
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And that is through an investigation.
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The aclj, again, kind of led the charge in,
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And i'll let will go through some of the details here.
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We were able to uncover a lot of information
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That showed that not just that the biden administration
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And the obama administration
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Was not necessarily the biggest friend of israel,
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And again, remember,
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This is not during this current wartime.
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This is during relative peace.
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This is for the biden administration.
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This is coming out of the abraham accords.
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I'd say probably one of the most peaceful times
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In the middle east we've ever experienced.
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And they were actively working
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With up to the tune of a million dollars
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In taxpayer dollars-
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- no, you left out a very key letter there.
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Billion dollars. - billion,
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You said million earlier. - i said billion.
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- okay, maybe our phone scratched.
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I thought when you said million, i actually thought-
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- not that much. - yeah, i mean,
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You can barely buy a house in nashville for that.
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But a billion dollars that was going specifically
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To fund organizations who goal in israel,
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Remember, israel is very diverse politically.
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I think that there is sort of this overarching,
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It'd be like if you thought everyone in america
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Was a maga trump supporter.
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It's not how it is.
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Israel's very diverse in that sense
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In terms of there were conservatives and liberals.
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They were going to fund
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Those specifically anti-netanyahu organizations.
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Organizations that were essentially
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Going to try to either stop
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Or have a regime change at the time,
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Depending on when it was, wherever he landed.
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But people who are specifically against
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What would be considered
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The more conservative movement of israel,
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That is what they were using your tax money to do,
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Not support israel like a lot of people claim,
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But to actually be involved in the politics so deeply.
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- well, logan, i think this ties directly
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To what we are talking about
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With how the obama administration weaponized intelligence,
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Manufactured intelligence
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To try and affect regime here in america
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With the first trump administration.
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This is something, jeff,
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We uncovered during the obama years
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That the us through the state department
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Was funding mahmoud abbas's son
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For the express purpose of trying to defeat bibi netanyahu.
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Now, tell us about how this started,
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Because this is a report coming out
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Of the judiciary committee in jim jordan
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Showing that close to a billion dollars
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From the state department, from usaid,
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And from the department of defense
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Was going to these groups in israel
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That were trying to basically bring about regime change
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And get rid of bibi netanyahu in israel
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During the last four years.
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- right.
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There were rumors floating around for a long time
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Based also on what had been happening
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During the obama years,
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Of money coming from democrat groups
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And potentially even from the administration
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When the democrats were in the white house
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Trying to undermine the elected government of israel.
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Now, let's be clear, it's not the same system in israel.
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In israel, it's a parliamentary system
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Where you have direct party elections,
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You elect a slate of people.
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Those slates of various parties form coalitions.
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Right now, the governing coalition
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Is headed by the party with the most mandates,
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Which is likud, which is netanyahu's party.
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And so, it's the most important
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And biggest block in the coalition.
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But these coalitions are extremely narrow.
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So a party with even three or four votes,
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Mandates can collapse the entire government at any time.
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It's not like you wait four years for an election.
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So an entire coalition can collapse.
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And so, it looked to us like they kept on finding issues
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To try and rile up the public
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To create that kind of hostility to topple the government.
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And right before the war started,
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And one of the reasons the war started according to hamas,
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Was they saw the israeli populace was fractured
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And angry and fighting in the streets, not violently,
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But there's a lot of hostility
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Over the issue of judicial reform.
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And it turns out, we looked into this,
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The israeli government keeps records,
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Obviously in hebrew of foreign money coming in,
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And we started taking a look at it
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And it looked suspicious to us
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That some of the money looked
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Like it was being laundered through nonprofits
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That were coming directly from the united states of america,
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From american tax dollars,
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From the biden administration,
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Going to groups which are then being funneled through
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To support these street protests
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Being mobilized against netanyahu.
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It's by the way, a playbook that we see in america,
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Which is why we need to look for it here.
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We brought this a couple of years ago already to jim jordan,
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Who is the chairman of the judiciary committee,
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To his office and a couple of offices on capitol hill,
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And they started looking into it,
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And last week they published a report
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And they put out information, as you say,
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Tracking about a billion dollars or so of money
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Going from the united states government
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Directly to organizations trying to rile up street support
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To essentially topple the israeli government.
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- jeff, and when you put this into context,
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When you think about the 2024 election,
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In the 20-month campaign cycle,
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The federal election commission
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Put out presidential candidates
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Raised about $1.6 billion and spent over $1.3 billion.
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Now, that's just the campaigns themselves,
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Not including super pacs and things of that nature,
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But that's talking about the candidates
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In the united states for president.
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Now, take almost that much,
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About 66% of that amount was then being funneled
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By our government into a country the size of new jersey
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To try and influence their elections.
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It can't be understated how effective our government
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Could have been by influencing election
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With a billion dollars.
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- number one.
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Number two, think about it.
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This is the same party
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That was riling america up
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Over foreign interference in our elections,
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In america elections.
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At the same time, as according to this report,
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They're funneling an enormous amount of american tax dollars
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To try to destroy israel's governing coalition,
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Israel's democracy.
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And so this is, i think, a bombshell.
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This is a scandal, a terrible scandal,
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And we're glad that the judiciary committee
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Really dug into this, followed up,
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And is now making this public
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And looking for answers from the public.
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Jay Sekulow - Complete "Chaos" Erupts Amid Rogue Judge Order

August 6, 2025 | 28:21

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