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- this is some big news, will, as there is a whistleblower,
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A democrat whistleblower- - [will] right.
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- whose documents have been exposed thanks to kash patel,
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Thanks to a lot of the groups,
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Thanks to just the news for reporting this,
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Showing that there was a team
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Within adam schiff's office alerting,
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Whistle blowing that things were not on the up and up,
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That specifically this was a targeted attack
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On president trump to try to find and dig out documents
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Not related to what was going on necessarily
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With national security, just to derail president trump.
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- well, and also with the express goal
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To get an indictment against president trump.
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These come from, fbi form 302s.
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We've heard about those a lot during the russiagate stuff.
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So that's the interview form that an fbi agent
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Is filling out when they're conducting an interview.
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It's an official document.
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And what this shows is that
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Someone who was a democrat working
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For the house permanent select committee on intelligence,
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So the house intel committee, was in these meetings
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With democrats with adam schiff,
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Where he was saying things like he wanted
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To purposefully leak classified information
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That was derogatory to president trump.
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And he wanted that information to be used
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To get an indictment against president trump.
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This individual was not comfortable with that.
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This individual pushed back.
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They were told, don't worry about it.
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He went to the fbi.
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And even the fbi at the time was seeming to be like,
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Well, there's a lot of leeway in the speech
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And debate clause in the us constitution.
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While that may be so, this person was concerned about
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The ethics of this, the legality of it.
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But all this was directed by adam schiff.
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We knew that he was a leaker,
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But how much he was coordinating behind the scenes
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To try and leak things to the media
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To try and get an indictment
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Against the president of the united states.
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This goes far beyond what we knew prior
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And we're gonna learn a lot more
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And talk to your dad, jay sekulow,
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About it in the next segment
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As he lived through that very much as well.
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- absolutely.
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We all live through adam schiff and continue to,
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But you wanna know the legal expertise,
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What actually this could look like.
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I know there's a lot of people calling for a lot of things.
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Well, my dad jay sekulow, is gonna break down exactly
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What the consequences could be for this unearthed action.
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- welcome back to, "sekulow."
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My dad, jay sekulow is joining us via phone right now.
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We wanted to chat with him.
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And of course, we are celebrating 35 years
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Of victory right now at the aclj.
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And, dad, of course, this is a moment.
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Will, why don't you give us like a 10 second reset.
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Give us a little bit of a reset of what we're talking about
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And let's get your feedback, dad.
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- that's right.
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So it appears kash patel as director of the fbi
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Discovered 302 interview forms from the fbi
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Where a whistleblower was coming forward
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From the house intelligence committee
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That worked for the democrats trying to get the fbi
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To do something about the fact
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That adam schiff was purposefully and directing the staff
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To leak classified intelligence to the media for the purpose
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Of getting an indictment against president trump,
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The fbi under the chris wray era, as well as the biden era.
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This individual gave about four interviews
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To the fbi on this very subject, did nothing about it.
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And a lot of that had to do with what they pushed back
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And said, we don't know if we have any angle here
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Because of speech and debate clause.
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But now the american public is seeing this
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Because director patel has declassified it
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And given it over to congress who has now given it
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To john solomon at just the news.
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- [jay] the first thing i think you have to realize here
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Is this, number one, and i think this is critical,
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This was a democratic staff member who gave the information
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To the fbi who was then interviewed
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By the federal bureau of investigation
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On three separate occasions that we know of.
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As will mentioned, the 302.
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The 302 is the form that the fbi
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Utilizes when they interview.
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These are the notes taken by the fbi agents.
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Kash patel is confirmed as the fbi director
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Gets this information probably
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In the normal portion of review.
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This was from 2017.
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And this individual alleges that adam schiff
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Leaked classified documents to the media on purpose
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Knowing they were classified to tarnish president trump.
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Now, of course i know firsthand what was going on in this
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Because we represented the president at that point.
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And here's the key thing that i think
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You have to remember, logan.
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This is what happens when weaponization
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Of an agency takes place and the democrats
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When after president trump with a vengeance,
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Both while in office and then when we had president biden,
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They indicted the former president of the united states
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In jurisdictions alleging by the way
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The same kind of handling of classified documents.
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How come the president, if president trump gets indicted
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For it and adam schiff, nothing happens.
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Well, i think that's about to change.
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So what happens now is once this information is out,
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There will be further investigations,
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A grand jury should then be empaneled
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And that grand jury should then,
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If the evidence supports it, bring a charge
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For violating a number of federal statutes here.
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- so many people have been pointing
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To the speech and debate clause
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In the constitution article i, section 6, clause 1,
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Which says that "the members of the both houses of congress
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May be privileged from arrest during their attendance
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Of the session of their respected houses."
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And it goes on to say, "and for any speech
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And debate in either house,
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They shall not be questioned in any other place."
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Some of the reporting is that the whistleblower,
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That's the pushback he got.
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And we know that many members of congress
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Have used the well of the senate or the floor of the house
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To speak things into the record
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That would otherwise not be allowed to be put out there.
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Maybe it be classified documents
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Or something of that nature.
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And that is a protection that the constitution gives.
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However, if you're directing staff
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To leak classified documents, how far does this protection
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Of speech and debate extend in a case like this?
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- [jay] yeah, this had nothing to do with the speech
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And debate clause though.
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I mean, that's the first go-to
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That anybody that serves in congress utilizes.
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By the way, the speech and debate clause
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Has been litigated a number of times.
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Here's the issue on the speech and debate clause.
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This was not, first of all,
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It wasn't on the floor of the senate.
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That's in your house, number one.
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Number two, it wasn't a speech and debate effort.
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It wasn't statements made in that context.
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This was a leak.
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This is what the allegation is by this whistleblower.
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This is a leak of classified information.
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That is not protected by the speech and debate clause
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Because if it was, america's national security
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Would be constantly in jeopardy.
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So those that say speech and debate, nonsense,
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This is, if the allegations are true
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And based on what i have seen in the past,
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Nothing would surprise me here.
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If that's the case-
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- [logan] and nothing would surprise you.
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Go ahead. - [jay] go ahead.
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- no, no, no.
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I thought you were done there.
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I was saying people, a lot of people are asking then,
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So then what happens?
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This is always the big question,
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Which is we've uncovered all this information.
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Kash patel said here it all is, you know,
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There'll be referrals, there'll be all this.
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What's the true next step?
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Because adam schiff we know has even bigger plans
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And bigger hopes for his political career and this,
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You know, could this result in anything?
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- [jay] well, it sure could.
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I mean, they've got, first of all,
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Under pam bondi, the department of justice
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Has set up a task force
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On weaponization of federal agencies.
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As i said, a grand jury could be empaneled
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As the evidence warrants and that grand jury
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Could issue an indictment.
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Adam schiff isn't immune from the law.
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These are the ones that scream about
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Nobody's above the law yet that when they are involved
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In activities, they immediately try to hide
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Behind a speech and debate clause.
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And by the way, i don't think there's anything wrong
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With having a speech and debate clause.
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I think the the founders were right.
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But it has nothing to do with this issue whatsoever.
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If in fact, the allegations are true, a crime was committed.
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- and when you think about the way
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That director gabbard has laid this out,
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Seeing the ways that intelligence was manipulated
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And then changed in order to frame a narrative
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Against the president at the direction
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Of president barack obama at the time.
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And then you saw the way
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That james comey had a part in this.
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Now we're seeing that the intelligence committee,
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The democrats there were specifically
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Playing a role in this.
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This is where that grand conspiracy investigation seems
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To really take place where you're seeing multiple branches
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Of the government in coordination trying to go after
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Someone who is elected by the people.
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And it also hearkens back to when chuck schumer said,
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"you better not go after the intelligence community
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'cause they have six ways from sunday to get back at you."
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All of this points to some sort of coup
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And grand conspiracy against president trump.
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- well, we know that of course just from what happened
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During the four years in his first term.
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I mean, this was a constant attack.
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It was whether it was an impeachment,
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Whether it was the nonsense with bob mueller,
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That whole situation, and adam schiff stoking
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Saying he has seen the evidence,
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Remember, of russia's collusion
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With the trump campaign and then there was none.
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This was a guy who made up a transcript of a conversation
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Between the president of the united states
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And volodymyr zelenskyy.
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He made it up, he made up the text.
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And he later admitted that it was just
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To make the point more clear.
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It's nonsense.
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So the end result of all of this, in my view is
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A grand jury should be empaneled.
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That grand jury should look at the evidence
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As warranted, indictments flow if in fact
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The allegations have a probable cause factor
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Reasonable to move forward.
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And i believe it will be.
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I'm not surprised by any of this.
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I do wanna remind people,
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President trump has only been in office eight months,
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Kash patel less than that,
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So it's gonna take some time here,
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But i think we're on the right track.
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I think people are gonna be held accountable.
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- will haynes here, joined by jordan sekulow in studio,
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And we are gonna talk as well about this news
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That came out from "just the news,"
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About james comey's pipeline to the media.
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And, jordan, this is what gets me right, is that we knew
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That he had this individual, this confidant of his,
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Daniel richmond who was a columbia law professor.
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We knew about this individual
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Because comey admitted he leaked to the memo,
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The handwritten notes, to try and get a special counsel.
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That almost to me is more like confirmation
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Of what they were already investigating.
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And this is where they were investigating how a lot
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Of classified information started popping up
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In "new york times," in "wall street journal,"
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In "washington post."
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And they even investigated this individual.
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They got to a point where he even said like,
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I mean, i don't think i did give the classified information
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Or confirm it, but i say that with a discount,
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Basically meaning i'm a law professor,
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I know if i lie to the fbi, that's a federal crime,
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So i gotta be real careful here, right?
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Because i have these discussions with people.
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- [jordan] right.
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- jordan, what bothers me here,
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Because what we see now is the fbi
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Had a full investigation on this.
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It had a code name, it was arctic haze.
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- [jordan] yeah.
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- and they investigated, they talked to the individuals.
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They opened this in august of 2017.
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They closed it in september of 2021.
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No one charged.
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But if you're donald trump and you retain a document,
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Not leak it, not put it out there,
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- or your staff puts it in a box.
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- right.
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Then they're doing full-on pre-dawn raid
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Of the fbi all over your property,
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Confiscating your passports, confiscating your electronics,
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Because you're donald trump.
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And i do, i think we've got time.
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Let's take larry from mississippi, jordan.
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- [jordan] yeah.
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- 'cause what we're now seeing is the fbi from pre-trump,
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Even during the trump era.
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- [jordan] yes. - and through biden,
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They did not have the political will
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Or the moral fortitude to be able
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To bring these things against their own.
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So let's go to larry from mississippi on line four.
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- [larry] well, i just wanted to know,
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Does anybody really believe
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That no matter what goes on here,
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That congress or the senate are gonna do anything
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Really to put anybody in jail
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For what they would jail you or me?
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Because the minute they do that,
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Then all the dirty laundry from both houses
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And all over the government would be exposed.
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- yeah, i think here's the difference.
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This is not the house and the senate doing this.
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- [will] right.
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- this is doj, led by pam bondi,
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And the fbi, led by kash patel,
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So very different investigators in charge of this
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Who are much more bold, who are not part
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Of the washington swamp,
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And i don't think would be impacted that way.
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So if charges should be brought,
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And they believe that at the end of the day,
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After they've, we now know those investigations
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Have been opened.
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I think those charges will be brought.
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Now again, we know there's a grand jury in washington, dc.
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We don't know a lot more than that.
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We know that those grand juries,
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Usually if you were a republican, it'd be pretty easy
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To indict a republican, more difficult
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When you're talking about those on the left.
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But yes, you've got all of this still new information
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Coming out from these individuals.
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And we learned about schiff
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And a whistleblower in his staff saying, you know,
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Feeling uncomfortable about leaking classified information.
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The joke is you raid mar-a-lago
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Over pieces of paper in boxes,
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But adam schiff has his own staff coming to the fbi
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And the doj saying they're telling us
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To lead classified information
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And they're getting elected to the us senate.
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- there's more news coming out, even as we speak.
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Katherine herridge is reporting on some documents she got
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That talk about eric swalwell having to be counseled.
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This is from another fbi document
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That he was the source of a lot of leaked information
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And had to be counseled to be more careful.
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All of this with the specter of what they did
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To president trump after he left office.
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The only one of these individuals we're talking about,
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By the way, that had the actual power to declassify.
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- [jordan] right.
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- adam schiff on the house intelligence committee
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Has no power to do that.
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- right, i think that's important to point out.
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He can't like go to his staff and say,
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"i've decided as a person on the intel committee,
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As a senator on the intel committee,
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That we can release this to the american public."
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Only the president of the united states
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Can make a decision like that.
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Adam schiff does not have that power as a senator,
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Especially utilizing his staff to do so.
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- [will] right.
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- and you know, that just, it speaks to me,
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To the boldness of how unconcerned they were about
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Any kind of legal issues that they may face,
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Including criminal actions, because they knew
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The people operating those departments were on their side.
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And that's the worst of the worst when it comes to law,
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Is that when one side says we can break the laws,
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We don't have to follow the laws
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Because the people enforcing the laws won't enforce them
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Against us because they agree with our political position.
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- right.
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Let's go to ahead and take some phone calls.
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Let's go to nancy on line one
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Calling from texas listening on the radio.
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Nancy, you're on, "sekulow."
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- [nancy] hi.
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Thank you very much.
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I really love you guys.
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My question is, what can be done to keep comey and schiff
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And all of these criminals from fleeing the country
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And avoiding facing the consequences?
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- well, nancy, i'll let jordan speak to it,
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But seeing the hubris we've seen from these individuals.
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- [jordan] yeah, i don't think
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They're gonna flee the country.
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- i think that they think that they won,
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Have already gotten away with it.
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- they're doing interviews. - [will] yes.
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- they think that they think that washington, dc's
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And grand juries won't indict them
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Because they're on their side.
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They think that they are in the right,
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They think they have the moral high ground.
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I mean, we've seen the hubris from these guys.
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So i think that to think that, oh,
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They're gonna somehow flee or run away.
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Honestly, we have a opportunity here to expose the truth.
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Why is that important?
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So, it never happens again.
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Reform these institutions.
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That's what's being done by pam bondi.
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That's what's being done by kash patel.
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And by the way, they're gonna need
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More than four years to do that.
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And president trump is not gonna be running the next time,
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So we have to think about that as well.
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It's gonna take more than a few years to reform the doj,
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The fbi and the various institutions
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In the intel world that need this reforming.
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But we have the opportunity here
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Potentially to seek justice.
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And you have to remember that when president trump
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Was in office, he was dealing with this.
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Then we were pushing back, not just against
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Post-presidency impeachment,
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During his presidency impeachment,
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Trying to prevent him from being able to run,
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Talking about lawfare and trying to remove him from office
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And prevent him from running in the future.
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I mean, this is, again,
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It was an all out assault on an individual,
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But i don't think you have to look at it that way.
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It was president trump who took the incoming,
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But there were a lot of others too,
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Whose homes were raided, whose documents were seized.
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And remember, it was all because of you
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And the political movement
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To unseat the washington, dc elite
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And the washington, dc swamp.
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And so, i actually am encouraged by hearing this
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Instead of just saying, let's move on and let's just,
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You know, fight another battle another day.
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No, it's, we can't allow this to be business
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As usual in the united states of america,
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Or it's not the country it's supposed to be.
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- that's right.
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Let's go to rebecca on line five calling from texas.
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And i think the point of that as well, jordan,
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Not just the let's move on that you hear from some people,
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But the others that say, we'll never get justice.
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We have to, if we still believe in the american experiment,
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If we still believe in our ideals,
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Then we have to push forward and hope for justice here
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And see what's coming out and trust
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That there is a new way that things are being run.
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Because in order for these things to not happen again,
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We do need accountability, we do need justice.
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Let's go to rebecca on line five.
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You're on the air, rebecca.
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- [rebecca] thank you.
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My opinion about this is i think that the democratic party
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Has been doing this way more than just james comey.
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I believe with all my heart
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That it's been since they started in office
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Because i, in 2020 when i lived there in,
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Well, i lived in northern california,
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And in 2020 january, i moved over here.
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And then i, shortly after voting time, i got an email
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From kamala harris saying, "thank you for voting for me."
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And i went, "what?
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No, i voted for president trump."
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So, i called the sacramento main office.
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They told me to call the county that i was in,
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That i voted in.
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That lady yelled at me telling me
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Why didn't i let them know that i moved.
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And then she asked me for my driver's license
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And all of my personal information.
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And i was always thought that since i was 19,
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Started voting republican that california democrats,
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Which kamala harris and all of those other people
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There in the white house that stole the presidency seat,
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They been stealing the votes from republicans since-
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- well, and, rebecca, what you have to also remember,
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And this is something that we've talked about
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For a long time at the aclj,
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Is the bureaucratic state that exists.
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Like why do the james comey's
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Of the world feel so empowered?
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Because those and republicans as well,
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Not just democrats over the history of these parties,
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Have empowered these bureaucracies to work
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Outside of the constitutional framework in many cases,
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Whether it be the regulatory process.
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It's things that we've pushed back both here at aclj
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And aclj action, the way that they are able to rule make,
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Which has the effect of law.
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They basically, the bureaucratic state operates in
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And of itself as a quasi shadow government in many cases.
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That's where the deep state comes from.
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That's why a lot of these people feel emboldened
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Because they feel like they can never be held accountable
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'cause they feel like they're insulated from it.
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- yes, i mean, this is something that was truly exposed
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In that first trump administration
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Was that how much the bureaucracy
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Is actually running washington, dc,
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And the legislative branch passing laws sometimes,
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Sometimes there's legislative deadlock,
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So the bureaucracy just moves on with their rulemaking.
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We've seen some supreme court cases push,
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You know, take back some of that power.
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But ultimately here, you know, where we see somebody
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Who can be appointed by the president,
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But not removed by a president,
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And the these kind of actions.
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So, what do we do?
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We continue these battles.
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We have to, first you have to kind of flush it out.
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And i know that it can feel like a long time for people,
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But you have to realize when you're reforming
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A system like the us government, four years,
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Eight years, that's not a long time.
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And now we'll have, you know, a 12-year period,
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But four of those, there was no reform being done.
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In fact, they were trying to go back
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To business as usual under the biden administration.
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Nothing to see here.
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So i just want to encourage people
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To stand with these fights.
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Don't be distracted.
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There's other issues that matter.
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Obviously the executive branch is big,
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It can handle that, but it can also handle reform.
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And this is reform that we knew needed to be made
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Before president trump was ever in the office.
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- [will] that's right.
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- we know these reforms needed to be made.
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It's just, it put a spotlight
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On how bad things were inside the bureaucracy.
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- let's try to get one more call in.
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Warren, who's an aclj champion calling on line four.
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Warren, you're on, "sekulow."
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- [warren] hey, thanks for taking my guys
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And i increased my giving this month.
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Wasn't a lot, but i encourage everybody else to.
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- [will] thank you, warren.
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- [warren] we need you guys.
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My comment and question is not only is it disgusting,
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But criminal what they've done to trump,
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But what kind of charges can be brought
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Against comey and them?
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Can they bring up espionage charges and get 'em?
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Because we've gotta stop this.
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- well, warren, you bring that up.
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The espionage act specifically has the provision
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In the us code about disclosure of classified information
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That also does carry with a longer statute
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Of limitations than most federal law does,
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Extending that to 10 years.
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But when the department of justice
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Starts talking about a conspiracy, jordan,
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That extends out all of the things
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That could get swept up into that,
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Whether it be obstruction, lying to the fbi,
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Lying to federal officials, lying to congress.
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It could open up like almost a pandora's box
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Of options when you see all the people
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That were involved in this in different ways.
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- yes, exactly right.
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And that's why we've gotta fight back.
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We need to see more of those victories,
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See more of this reform here in the united states
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- [jordan] as always, let me thank everybody at tbn
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For providing this time to us at no cost so we
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Can update you on the most important issues of the day.
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From all of us at the aclj, thanks, tbn.
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Sekulow - Dem Whistleblower Exposes Schiff To FBI

August 26, 2025 | S1 E814 | 27:41

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