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September 12, 2017
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  • [ANNOUNCER] LIVE FROM WASHINGTON D.C. JAY SEKULOW
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  • LIVE. PHONE LINES ARE OPEN FOR YOUR QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW.
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • AND NOW, CHIEF COUNSEL FOR THE AMERICAN CENTER FOR LAW
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  • AND JUSTICE, JAY SEKULOW! JAY SEKULOW: HEY EVERYBODY! WELCOME
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  • TO THE BROADCAST. AND WE ARE FOLLOWING UP ON WHAT WE STARTED
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  • DISCUSSING YESTERDAY AND THAT IS WE HAVE BEEN DIGGING DEEP INTO
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  • WHAT WAS CALLED THE DEEP STATE. IT'S CALLED THE DEEP STATE
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  • BECAUSE THERE ARE THESE BUREAUCRATS THAT ARE ENTRENCHED.
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  • AND WE HIT THE ISSUE YESTERDAY. WE TALKED ABOUT OUR CASE
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  • INVOLVING, OF COURSE, THE LORETTA LYNCH-HILLARY CLINTON
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  • MATTER. AND THAT ONE OPENED UP AND THAT, OF COURSE, BECAME A
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  • REALLY BIG CASE BECAUSE NOW THE FBI IS REOPENING ITS FOIA
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  • INVESTIGATION. SO THAT WAS A BIG DEVELOPMENT. WE TALKED A LITTLE
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  • BIT ABOUT THE ONE IN ISRAEL WHERE YOU HAD THE GOVERNMENT,
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  • BASICALLY, OF THE UNITED STATES TAKING YOUR TAXPAYER MONEY TO
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  • SEND IT OVER TO ORGANIZATIONS THAT WERE CAMPAIGNING TO DEFEAT
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  • THE ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU. YOU REMEMBER
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  • THE IRAN DEAL THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA PUT IN PLACE THAT WAS THE
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  • SO-CALLED STOPPING THE NUCLEAR DEVELOPMENTS OF IRAN? IT
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  • INVOLVED 1.5 BILLION DOLLARS OF CASH DELIVERED TO THE IRANIANS.
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  • BUT THERE WAS A VERY INTERESTING DEVELOPMENT IN ALL OF THAT WHEN
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  • THERE WAS A VIDEO ABOUT WHAT TOOK PLACE ON THAT DEAL. AND A
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  • VIDEO HAD BEEN PUT OUT AND THEN OUR FRIEND FROM JAMES ROSEN FROM
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  • FOX NEWS WENT BACK AND REALIZED THAT HIS VIDEO WHERE HE GAVE THE
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  • INTERVIEW, WAS DOING THE INTERVIEW AND PUT THE PIECE
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  • TOGETHER WAS EDITED. REMEMBER THAT ONE, JORDAN? THAT IS ONE I
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  • WANT TO FOCUS ON BECAUSE WE GOT AN ORDER ON THAT CASE. JORDAN
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  • SEKULOW: THAT'S RIGHT. AND SO IN THE ORDER, ITSELF, THEY DID A
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  • STATE DEPARTMENT INTERNAL INVESTIGATION. WE GOT THAT
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  • INVESTIGATION. AND HERE I'M READING FROM THE EVIDENCE OF
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  • PURPOSEFUL EDITING. SO THEY EDITED IT ON PURPOSE. A
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  • TECHNICIAN FROM P.A. RECALLED HAVING RECEIVED A REQUEST TO
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  • EDIT THE VIDEO OVER THE PHONE FROM A FEMALE CALLER FROM
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  • ELSEWHERE IN P.A., PUBLIC AFFAIRS, WHO COULD CREDIBLY
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  • ASSERT THAT AN EDIT SHOULD BE MADE. GIVEN THE PASSAGE OF TIME,
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  • THE TECHNICIAN'S MEMORY WAS IMPERFECT, AND THE TECHNICIAN, I
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  • MEAN, THIS IS HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT IT'S WHAT THEY SAID, DID NOT
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  • RECALL THE IDENTITY OF THE CALLER. AND THE DEPARTMENT HAS
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  • BEEN UNABLE TO ASCERTAIN IT INDEPENDENTLY THROUGH INTERVIEWS
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  • OR DOCUMENT REVIEW OF WHO MADE THE REQUEST TO EDIT THIS VIDEO.
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  • -AND THE EDIT TOOK OUT THE KEY PART OF WHAT WAS GOING ON.
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  • -RIGHT. -AND LOGAN, I REMEMBER WHEN IT FIRST BROKE THEY SAID IT
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  • WAS A TECHNICAL GLITCH. YOU LOOKED AT THE VIDEO AND SAID IT
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  • WAS NOT; YOU NEW EXACTLY WHAT THAT WAS. LOGAN SEKULOW: NO,
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  • YEAH, IT WAS ESSENTIALLY A WHITE FLASH TRANSITION THAT YOU SEE IN
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  • NEWS PIECES, OR YOU SEE IN GENERAL. IT'S A TRANSITION THAT
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  • YOU, IT'S A SETTING ON YOUR COMPUTER. SOMEBODY HAD TO GO IN,
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  • PLACE AN IN AND OUT CUT, AND ADD IN A TRANSITION. THAT COULD NOT
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  • HAVE BEEN UNINTENTIONAL. IT COULD HAVE CORRECTED A PROBLEM
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  • IF SOMETHING HAPPENED WITH THE TAPE, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY. -BUT
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  • THEY SAY NOW NOT. -BUT IT CERTAINLY WASN'T JUST A GLITCH.
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  • THIS IS CLEARLY SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY DONE INTENTIONALLY.
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  • -SO WE NOW KNOW IT WAS AN INTENTIONAL EDIT BECAUSE WHY?
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  • WELL, WE WENT TO FEDERAL COURT. DOCUMENT PRODUCTION IS NOW
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  • COMPLETE. THE STATE MADE 5 PRODUCTIONS TOTALLING 750 PAGES
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  • OF RECORDS. DOCUMENTS PRODUCED WERE HEAVILY REDACTED BUT WE DID
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  • GET THE INTERNAL REPORT THAT THEY UNCLASSIFIED. ONE DOCUMENT
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  • CONTAINED REDACTIONS PURSUANT TO A PRESIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION
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  • PRIVILEGE, WHICH MEANS THE WHITE HOUSE WAS INVOLVED IN THIS. THIS
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  • EMAIL EXCHANGE IS BETWEEN STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIALS AND
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  • NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL OFFICIALS REGARDING A REPORTER'S
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  • INQUIRY; RE: STATE OFFICIALS SECRET MEETING WITH IRAN
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  • OFFICIALS. SO HOW ABOUT THAT ONE? STATE DEPARTMENT. WHITE
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  • HOUSE. NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL. EDITING VIDEOS TO KEEP
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  • IT FROM THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK FROM
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  • THE BREAK. WE'RE TAKING YOUR CALLS ON THE DEEP STATE. YOUR
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  • QUESTIONS, YOUR COMMENTS, YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT IT.
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  • 1-800-684-3110. THAT'S 1-800-684-3110. IT'S ALSO FRIDAY
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  • SO WE'RE GOING TO WRAP UP THE NEWS FOR THE WEEK HERE BUT WE'LL
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  • TAKE YOUR COMMENTS ON THE ISSUES THAT ARE CONCERNING TO YOU. BUT
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  • HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS ONE FOLKS ON THE IRAN DEAL?
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  • PURPOSEFUL EDITING, INCLUDING AN EXEMPTION PRIVILEGE, A
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  • PRESIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION PRIVILEGE ASSERTED IN THE IRAN
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  • CASE. THEY HAD THE RIGHT TO DO IT, BUT WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?
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  • THE WHITE HOUSE WAS FULLY INVOLVED. WE HAVE A LOT MORE TO
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  • DISCUSS ON THIS ISSUE OF WHAT WE CALL THE DEEP STATE: ITS IMPACT
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  • ON YOU, ITS IMPACT ON OUR COUNTRY. STAY TUNED.
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  • JAY SEKULOW: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR
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  • DEEP STATE CASES. I WANTED TO END THE WEEK ON THIS. WE ONLY
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  • GOT TO HIT A FEW OF THEM YESTERDAY. AND ONE OF THEM IS
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  • SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE IT INVOLVES THE STATE DEPARTMENT. NOW LET ME
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  • PLAY FOR YOU SOME SOUND. THIS IS BETWEEN, JEN PSAKI, WAS IN THE
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  • STATE DEPARTMENT REPRESENTATIVE SPOKESPERSON, AND OUR FRIEND
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  • JAMES ROSEN FROM FOX NEWS. TAKE A LISTEN: JEN PSAKI: JAMES, I
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  • HAVE NO NEW INFORMATION FOR YOU TODAY ON THE TIMING OF WHEN
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  • THERE WERE ANY DISCUSSIONS WITH ANY IRANIAN OFFICIALS. JAMES
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  • ROSEN: LET ME TRY IT ONE LAST WAY. -OKAY. -AND I APPRECIATE
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  • YOUR INDULGENCE. -SURE. -IS IT THE POLICY OF THE STATE
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  • DEPARTMENT, WHERE THE PRESERVATION OF THE SECRECY OF
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  • SECRET NEGOTIATIONS IS CONCERNED, TO LIE IN ORDER TO
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  • ACHIEVE THAT GOAL? -JAMES, I THINK THERE ARE TIMES WHERE
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  • DIPLOMACY NEEDS PRIVACY IN ORDER TO PROGRESS. THIS IS A GOOD
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  • EXAMPLE OF THAT. -SO LET ME PUT THIS IN CONTEXT WHAT HAPPENED.
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  • JAMES ROSEN UNCOVERED, WITH HIS EXCELLENT REPORTER SKILLS,
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  • JOURNALISM SKILLS, THAT IN FACT DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE
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  • ADMINISTRATION HAD SAID THEY BEGAN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE
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  • IRANIANS REGARDING THIS WHOLE NUCLEAR DEAL, WHICH HAS, BY THE
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  • WAY, BEEN A COMPLETEL FIASCO, AS YOU KNOW. I MEAN, JUST A TOTAL
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  • FIASCO. AND PRESIDENT TRUMP'S HAVING TO DEAL WITH IT RIGHT
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  • NOW. YOU'VE GOT, IRAN IS ABOUT TO BE, IS MOVING TOWARD
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  • NUCLEARIZATION MOMENT BY MOMENT. BUT WHAT HAPPENED WAS THEIR
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  • NARRATIVE WAS THAT THEY STARTED THESE NEGOTIATIONS WHEN ROUHANI
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  • WAS ELECTED PRESIDENT BECAUSE HE WAS MORE MODERATE THAN
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  • AHMADINEJAD. BUT THE ACTUAL INTERVIEW SHOWED THAT THE DATE
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  • OF THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY EDITED OUT HERE, WAS, IN FACT,
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  • DURING THE REGIME OF AHMADINEJAD, WHO WAS THE MOST
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  • RADICAL OF THEIR PRESIDENTS. JORDAN SEKULOW: YEAH, SO THAT
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  • THEY WERE ACTUALLY NEGOTIATING WITH A VERY RADICAL LEADER IN
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  • IRAN. IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT ROUHANI IS NOT A RADICAL. THEY
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  • ARE ALL BACKED BY THE AYATOLLAH. BUT AHMADINEJAD, HIMSELF, WAS
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  • PARTICULARLY RADICAL. AND THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION DID NOT
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  • WANT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THEY WERE IN DIRECT
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  • DISCUSSION AND DIALOGUE WITH AHMADINEJAD'S GOVERNMENT ON THIS
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  • NUCLEAR DEAL. SO THEY EDITED IT OUT. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT YOU
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  • SAW. AND AGAIN, AT FIRST THEY WERE TOLD IT WAS A TECHNICAL
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  • GLITCH. IT WAS CLEAR IT WAS NOT. AND ULTIMATELY, THROUGH THEIR
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  • OWN INTERNAL INVESTIGATION THAT WE THEN UNCOVERED PUBLICALLY, IT
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  • WAS CLEARLY MADE THAT SOMEONE IN THE TECHNICAL DEPARTMENT, VIDEO
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  • DEPARTMENT, GOT A CALL FROM SOMEONE IN THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS
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  • DEPARTMENT. NO ONE HAS EVER TAKEN OWNERSHIP FOR THAT PHONE
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  • CALL. BUT THEY HAVE NOT DENIED THAT IT HAPPENED. AND THEY WERE
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  • TOLD TO EDIT THAT PART OF THE VIDEO THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
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  • WOULD SEE. SO YOU ONLY SAW THAT CLIP. IT NEVER MADE IT OUT
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  • THERE, RIGHT. THE CLIP ITSELF BECAUSE IT WAS NOT LIVE
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  • COVERAGE. -SO, NO, IT DID NOT. SO HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED HERE,
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  • AND I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY TO UNDERSTAND,
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  • THAT THE ISSUE THAT IS SO SIGNIFICANT ON THIS IS THE FACT
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  • THAT THIS EDIT WAS INTENTIONAL AND, AGAIN, IT WAS TO DECEIVE
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  • THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AS TO WHAT HAPPENED. HERE'S WHY WE WANT TO
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  • KNOW NOW, THOUGH, ARE THOSE PEOPLE THAT WERE DOING ALL OF
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  • THIS STILL INSIDE THE STATE DEPARTMENT? IN OTHER WORDS, THE
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  • PEOPLE THAT AUTHORIZED THIS ALTERATING OF THE VIDEO, WHICH
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  • RESULTED IN, WITHOUT QUESTION, THIS RETELLING OF THE STORY OF
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  • WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED HERE, ARE THOSE PEOPLE STILL IN PLACE IN
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  • OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT? ARE WE STILL PAYING THEM? THAT'S WHAT
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  • WE WANT TO KNOW. JORDAN SEKULOW: AND THAT AND JUST IMAGINE IF
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  • THIS HAPPENED UNDER THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION, IF THEY WERE
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  • EDITING PRESS STATEMENTS, EDITING, AGAIN, REPORTER'S
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  • QUESTIONS, AND THEN RELEASING IT AND BLAMING VIDEOS ON TECH
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  • PROBLEMS? THEY WOULD NEVER GET AWAY WITH IT IN THE TRUMP
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  • ADMINISTRATION. AT THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, THIS WAS A BLIMP
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  • THAT BARELY GOT COVERED AT ALL, IF IT DID. I DON'T REMEMBER THIS
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  • BEING COVERED BY THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA. -SO HERE'S THE QUESTION
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  • I THINK WE WANT TO ASK, NO, IT GOT VERY LITTLE COVERAGE. HERE'S
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  • THE QUESTION WE WANT TO ASK OUR AUDIENCE, AS WE WRAP UP THE WEEK
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  • HERE, HOW CONCERNED ARE YOU ABOUT LEFTOVERS FROM PREVIOUS
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  • ADMINISTRATOINS AND THE IMPACT THAT THEY COULD HAVE ON THIS
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  • ADMINISTRATION, THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION MOVING FORWARD ON
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  • POLICIES, WHETHER IT'S IN THE STATE DEPARTMENT, THE DEPARTMENT
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  • OF JUSTICE, THE IRS, WHEREVER? HOW BIG OF AN ISSUE IS THIS
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  • ISSUE WHAT WE CALL THE DEEP STATE? THESE LEFTOVERS, THAT ARE
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  • HANGING ON? OR THESE CAREER BUREAUCRATS? IS THIS AN ISSUE
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  • THAT YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT? WE'LL TAKE YOUR CALLS AND
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  • COMMENTS AT 1-800-684-3110. THAT'S 800-684-3110. NOW
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  • REMEMBER THIS ALSO, WE HAVE RIGHT NOW 7 CASES INVOLVING
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  • VARIOUS AGENCIES OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. ONE OF THOSE
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  • INCLUDES THE STATE DEPARTMENT AS IT RELATES TO THE CLINTON
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  • FOUNDATION AND THE AMOUNT OF INTERCHANGE THAT WAS GOING ON
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  • BETWEEN THE CLINTON FOUNDATION AND THE STATE DEPARTMENT. I
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  • THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY, BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE NOW HAVE,
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  • JORDAN, THAT THE STATE DEPARTMENT WAS, THE CLINTON
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  • FOUNDATION WAS THE SHADOW GOVERNMENT OF THE STATE
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  • DEPARTMENT. -YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE SAW; THAT THE
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  • CLINTON FOUNDATION WAS, BASICALLY, MAKING REQUESTS INTO
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  • THE STATE DEPARTMENT AND VICE VERSA ON MOVING AROUND DEALS,
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  • INDIVIDUALS, APPOINTMENTS, GOVERNMENT LEADERS, GOVERNMENT
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  • POSITIONS. SO YOU'VE GOT ECONOMIC DEALS GOING ON. YOU'VE
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  • GOT, BASICALLY, THE HUMA ABEDINES WORKING DIRECTLY WITH
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  • THE HEAD OF THE CLINTON FOUNDATION AS IF THEY ARE ALL
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  • PART OF THE SAME TEAM. AND, IN FACT, THEY WERE MAKING, PEOPLE
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  • LIKE HUMA ABEDINE, WERE MAKING INCOME FROM BOTH THE STATE
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  • DEPARTMENT AND THE CLINTON FOUNDATION AT THE SAME TIME
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  • THROUGH A SPECIAL EXEMPTION THAT WAS GIVEN TO HUMA ABEDINE. SO
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  • SHE WAS BEING ABLE TO BE PAID BY BOTH THE OUTSIDE CLINTON
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  • FOUNDATION AND THE STATE DEPARTMENT SIMULTANEOUSLY. SO
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  • THE EMAILS AND THE BACK AND FORTHS ABOUT APPOINTMENTS,
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  • MEETINGS, BASICALLY, IT WAS PAY TO PLAY TOO. TO GET MEETINGS
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  • WITH HILLARY CLINTON, YOU HAD TO HAVE SOME CONNECTION WITH THE
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  • CLINTON FOUNDATION. THAT WAS NOT SO MUCH THE CASE WHEN SECRETARY
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  • OF STATE KERRY CAME IN. WE SAW A CHANGE THERE AND WE CAN HONESTLY
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  • EVEN SAY THAT. -YEAH, NO, THERE WAS. THERE IS ONE WE'RE JUST
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  • FOLLOWING UP NOW ON ONE OF OUR CASES WHERE SOMEONE THAT WAS
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  • RUNNING FOR THE PRESIDENCY OF MADAGASCAR WAS REQUESTING A
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  • MEETING WITH WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON, FORMER PRESIDENT
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  • CLINTON. AND YOU HAD THE CLINTON FOUNDATION ASKING THE STATE
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  • DEPARTMENT WHAT THEY SHOULD DO ON THIS. SO THESE ARE ALL
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  • INTERESTING. ALRIGHT, WE'RE TAKING YOUR CALLS,
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  • 1-800-684-3110. YESTERDAY, LOGAN, ON THE PROGRAM WE WERE
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  • GETTING SOME EMAILS THAT WE'RE SAYING WHAT DOES THIS ACTUALLY
  • 00:10:57.130 --> 00:11:00.160
  • RESULT IN? THAT WAS KIND OF THE THEME YESTERDAY. AND WE ANSWERED
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  • THAT. LOGAN SEKULOW: RIGHT. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE JUST
  • 00:11:03.030 --> 00:11:04.230
  • CONCERNED, THEY'VE HEARD US TALK ABOUT THIS NOW FOR YEARS, I
  • 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:06.090
  • THINK THEY'RE JUST WORRIED THAT NOTHING IS HAPPENING. BUT THEY
  • 00:11:06.100 --> 00:11:08.000
  • DON'T UNDERSTAND, NECESSARILY, THAT THESE THINGS TAKE TIME. THE
  • 00:11:08.010 --> 00:11:10.250
  • GOVERNMENT DOES NOT MOVE FAST. -NO. BUT LET ME GIVE YOU THE
  • 00:11:10.260 --> 00:11:13.050
  • EXAMPLE THAT I DID AT THE END OF THE BROADCAST YESTERDAY IN CASE
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  • YOU MISSED IT. FOR INSTANCE, WE HAD A SERIES OF CASES AGAINST
  • 00:11:15.080 --> 00:11:17.240
  • THE IRS AND THOSE THAT WERE INVOLVED IN THE WHOLE TARGETING
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  • OF TEA PARTY SCANDAL AND THE CONSERVATIVE GROUPS. THAT TOOK 3
  • 00:11:20.170 --> 00:11:23.160
  • YEARS TO LITIGATE. BUT LET ME TELL YOU WHAT DID HAPPEN. THE
  • 00:11:23.170 --> 00:11:26.170
  • IRS OF 2014/2013 WHEN THE TARGETING STARTED IS NOT THE IRS
  • 00:11:26.180 --> 00:11:31.050
  • OF 2017. BECAUSE OF THE LITIGATION WE ENGAGED IN, IT'S A
  • 00:11:31.060 --> 00:11:34.270
  • DIFFERENT AGENCY. THEY CAN'T DO WHAT THEY WERE DOING BEFORE.
  • 00:11:34.280 --> 00:11:38.030
  • DOES THAT MEAN THEY'LL NEVER DO IT? NO. THAT'S WHY YOU'VE GOT TO
  • 00:11:38.040 --> 00:11:40.230
  • BE VIGILANT. BUT WE HAVE GOTTEN COURT AGREEMENTS, OR COURT
  • 00:11:40.240 --> 00:11:44.180
  • ORDERS FROM THE COURT OF APPEALS. WE'RE STILL LITIGATING
  • 00:11:44.190 --> 00:11:46.120
  • AT THE DISTRICT COURT BECAUSE WE WANT A PERMANENT INJUNCTION THAT
  • 00:11:46.130 --> 00:11:48.200
  • THEY NEVER DO THIS, BUT THE FACT IS, THE IRS, AS AN AGENCY
  • 00:11:48.210 --> 00:11:53.120
  • ITSELF, I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THESE CASES,
  • 00:11:53.130 --> 00:11:57.080
  • AS AN AGENCY ITSELF IS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AGENCY. NOT
  • 00:11:57.090 --> 00:12:00.180
  • PERFECT BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION, BUT COMPLETELY
  • 00:12:00.190 --> 00:12:03.170
  • DIFFERENT AGENCY THAN IT WAS WHEN WE STARTED THIS CASE 4
  • 00:12:03.180 --> 00:12:07.070
  • YEARS AGO. SO THAT'S WHERE THIS, AND JORDAN, YOU TALKED ABOUT
  • 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:10.200
  • THAT YESTERDAY, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO REITERATE THAT. SO
  • 00:12:10.210 --> 00:12:13.190
  • THESE ARE, LOOK, LITIGATION TAKES A LONG TIME AND GETTING
  • 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:16.120
  • RESULTS TAKES A LONG TIME, BUT THE ENTIRE AGENCY WAS CHANGED
  • 00:12:16.130 --> 00:12:20.070
  • BECAUSE OF THAT LITIGATION. OR IS BEING CHANGED, I SHOULD SAY.
  • 00:12:20.080 --> 00:12:23.030
  • -HALF THE AMOUNT OF AUDITS. THEIR BUDGET HAS BEEN CUT
  • 00:12:23.040 --> 00:12:25.140
  • SIGNIFICANTLY. MOST OF THE STAFF IN THE EXEMPT ORGANIZATIONS
  • 00:12:25.150 --> 00:12:30.100
  • DIVISION HAS BEEN REMOVED. NOW WHAT WOULD BE INTERESTING IS TO
  • 00:12:30.110 --> 00:12:34.060
  • KNOW WHO IS IN THEIR PLACE. THESE ARE BUREAUCRATS, AND ARE
  • 00:12:34.070 --> 00:12:37.070
  • THEY PEOPLE THAT, AGAIN, I THINK THEY'RE PRETTY SCARED NOW
  • 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:39.210
  • BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO LOSE THEIR JOBS, THEIR PENSIONS,
  • 00:12:39.220 --> 00:12:43.000
  • THEIR INCOMES. THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO HIRE THE LAWYERS THAT
  • 00:12:43.010 --> 00:12:45.060
  • PEOPLE LIKE LOIS LERNER HAVE HAD TO HIRE, AND BASICALLY CAREER
  • 00:12:45.070 --> 00:12:48.200
  • ENDING MOVES FOR MANY OF THAT STAFF IN EXEMPT ORGANIZATIONS.
  • 00:12:48.210 --> 00:12:53.010
  • BUT THAT'S NOT THE ONLY PROBLEM AT THE IRS. THAT WAS ONE THAT WE
  • 00:12:53.020 --> 00:12:55.280
  • WERE ABLE TO FOCUS ON BECAUSE OF THE TARGETING OF CONSERVATIVE
  • 00:12:55.290 --> 00:13:00.100
  • GROUPS. THOSE CASES CONTINUE, BY THE WAY, INCLUDING WHETHER THE
  • 00:13:00.110 --> 00:13:03.130
  • DEPOSITIONS WILL BE MADE PUBLIC FROM INDIVIDUALS LIKE LOIS
  • 00:13:03.140 --> 00:13:07.010
  • LERNER, WHO HAVE BEEN DEPOSED IN OTHER CASES AS WELL ON THIS. SO
  • 00:13:07.020 --> 00:13:10.030
  • I THINK THE IRS, THOUGH SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS, NEEDS
  • 00:13:10.040 --> 00:13:13.220
  • COMPLETE REFORM IF NOT A TOTAL CHANGE. NO MORE IRS AND TO DO
  • 00:13:13.230 --> 00:13:18.190
  • NOT JUST REDO THE TAX CODE, AND THE TAX SYSTEM, BUT TO REDO THE
  • 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:22.260
  • AGENCY THAT ADMINISTERS IT. AT THE SAME TIME, I JUST WANT YOU
  • 00:13:22.270 --> 00:13:26.250
  • TO UNDERSTAND WE TOOK IT TO THE IRS. NO ONE EVER DOES THAT, AND
  • 00:13:26.260 --> 00:13:31.070
  • BECAUSE OF THAT IT'S A VERY WEAK GOVERNMENT AGENCY THAT USED TO
  • 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:34.180
  • BE THE SCARY GOVERNMENT AGENCY AND NOW IT'S THE WEAK ONE. AND
  • 00:13:34.190 --> 00:13:38.080
  • YOU CAN SEE THAT JUST IN EVIDENCE OF THE AUDITS THAT THEY
  • 00:13:38.090 --> 00:13:40.270
  • ARE DOING; THE LACK OF AUDITING THEY'RE DOING. AND REALLY, THE
  • 00:13:40.280 --> 00:13:44.060
  • LACK OF, I'D SAY THEY'RE JUST NOT CAVALIER IS PROBABLY A GOOD
  • 00:13:44.070 --> 00:13:47.200
  • WAY OF SAYING IT, ANYMORE. -YEAH, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
  • 00:13:47.210 --> 00:13:49.150
  • -THEY DON'T TAKE THAT CAVALIER APPROACH OF WE ARE THE IRS, BE
  • 00:13:49.160 --> 00:13:52.130
  • AFRAID. I THINK THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NOW SAY YEAH YOU GUYS ARE
  • 00:13:52.140 --> 00:13:55.280
  • A MESS AND I CAN FIGHT BACK AGAINST YOU. AND THAT'S THE
  • 00:13:55.290 --> 00:13:58.280
  • RIGHT WAY THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE ACTING. -AND REMEMBER THIS,
  • 00:13:58.290 --> 00:14:01.060
  • I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A FLASHBACK HERE. HERE IS THE
  • 00:14:01.070 --> 00:14:02.260
  • PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES SPEAKING TO BILL O'REILLY A FEW
  • 00:14:02.270 --> 00:14:05.070
  • YEARS AGO WHEN ASKED ABOUT THE IRS SCANDAL THAT WE KNOW NOW WAS
  • 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:08.180
  • A SCANDAL. HERE'S WHAT HE SAID: BILL O'REILLY: UNANSWERED
  • 00:14:08.190 --> 00:14:11.120
  • QUESTIONS? PRESIDENT OBAMA: BILL, WHEN YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT
  • 00:14:11.130 --> 00:14:14.010
  • THE STUFF THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE HEARINGS ON IT. WHAT
  • 00:14:14.020 --> 00:14:16.100
  • HAPPENED HERE WAS, YOU'VE GOT A 501C4 LAW THAT PEOPLE THINK IS
  • 00:14:16.110 --> 00:14:21.170
  • CONFUSING. THAT THE FOLKS DID NOT KNOW HOW TO IMPLEMENT
  • 00:14:21.180 --> 00:14:24.230
  • BECAUSE IT BASICALLY SAYS IF YOU ARE, -SO YOU'RE SAYING THERE IS
  • 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:27.200
  • NO CORRUPTION THERE AT ALL? -THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING.
  • 00:14:27.210 --> 00:14:29.210
  • THAT'S ACTUALLY, -NO, NO, BUT I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
  • 00:14:29.220 --> 00:14:31.270
  • YOU'RE THE LEADER OF OUR COUNTRY. -ABSOLUTELY. -YOU'RE
  • 00:14:31.280 --> 00:14:33.200
  • SAYING NO CORRUPTION? -NO. -NONE? -NO. THERE WERE SOME
  • 00:14:33.210 --> 00:14:35.190
  • BONEHEADED DECISIONS. -BONEHEAD DECISIONS? -OUT OF A LOCAL
  • 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:37.280
  • OFFICE. -BUT NO MASS CORRUPTION? -NOT EVEN MASS
  • 00:14:37.290 --> 00:14:40.030
  • CORRUPTION, NOT EVEN A SMIDGEON OF CORRUPTION. -AND WITH THAT
  • 00:14:40.040 --> 00:14:42.220
  • COMPLETELY FALSE STATEMENT, NOW THAT WAS MADE IN 2014 IN
  • 00:14:42.230 --> 00:14:46.190
  • FEBRUARY 2014. IT TOOK 21/2 YEARS
  • 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:50.180
  • TO PROVE THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA
  • 00:14:50.190 --> 00:14:51.260
  • WAS NOT ONLY WRONG, AND IT WAS A FALSE STATEMENT, BUT THAT THE
  • 00:14:51.270 --> 00:14:54.030
  • IRS DID HAVE A WHOLE PROBLEM WITH TARGETING AND NOW YOU'VE
  • 00:14:54.040 --> 00:14:57.080
  • GOT A JUDGE SAYING TO THE IRS, LAY IT ON THE LINE, TELL ALL. WE
  • 00:14:57.090 --> 00:15:01.190
  • NOW KNOW WHO DID THIS, WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR IT AND WHAT
  • 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:04.020
  • ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN. ALRIGHT, WE'VE GOT A LOT MORE AHEAD,
  • 00:15:04.030 --> 00:15:06.050
  • INCLUDING YOUR CALLS AND COMMENTS. STAY RIGHT THERE.
  • 00:15:06.060 --> 00:15:09.100
  • [MUSIC]
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  • [MUSIC]
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  • JAY SEKULOW: WE'VE BEEN
  • 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:17.010
  • TALKING ABOUT A NUMBER OF OUR CASES INVOLVING THE DEEP STATE.
  • 00:15:17.020 --> 00:15:18.120
  • WE'RE TAKING YOUR CALLS. LET'S GO AHEAD AND TAKE A PHONE CALL,
  • 00:15:18.130 --> 00:15:20.270
  • LOGAN. LOGAN SEKULOW: ALRIGHT, LET'S DO IT. SOME PEOPLE HAVE
  • 00:15:20.280 --> 00:15:22.250
  • BEEN HOLDING A WHILE. LET'S TAKE SOME OF THEIRS. LET'S GO TO
  • 00:15:22.260 --> 00:15:24.200
  • BRUCE WHO'S CALLING IN TEXAS. BRUCE, YOU'RE ON THE AIR. -HEY,
  • 00:15:24.210 --> 00:15:26.150
  • BRUCE. -HEY, HOW ARE Y'ALL? -GOOD. -THANK YOU FOR ALL THE
  • 00:15:26.160 --> 00:15:30.200
  • WORK THAT YOU DO AND THAT YOU WILL DO. -THANKS. YES, SIR.
  • 00:15:30.210 --> 00:15:33.270
  • -AS YOU DOCUMENTED IN YOUR BOOK UNELECTED THESE PEOPLE ARE
  • 00:15:33.280 --> 00:15:38.040
  • ACTUALLY CONTINUING THE WORK OF THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO
  • 00:15:38.050 --> 00:15:41.210
  • FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORM THE UNITED STATES, WHICH IS, IN
  • 00:15:41.220 --> 00:15:46.250
  • FACT, TO DESTROY IT. AND THIS KIND OF THING HAS BEEN GOING ON
  • 00:15:46.260 --> 00:15:49.290
  • FOR DECADES. MY MOTHER USED TO TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE
  • 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:53.050
  • REALLY WERE COMMUNISTS ALL THROUGH THE STATE DEPARTMENT
  • 00:15:53.060 --> 00:15:56.050
  • DURING THE MCCARTHY ERA. -THAT PART WAS, LOOK, THE HISTORY
  • 00:15:56.060 --> 00:16:03.110
  • SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. HERE'S THE INTERESTING ISSUE-I CALL IT THE,
  • 00:16:03.120 --> 00:16:06.190
  • IT'S LIKE AN UNELECTED 4TH BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT. AND IT'S
  • 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:09.160
  • THESE UNELECTED BUREAUCRATS THAT ARE ACCOUNTABLE TO NOBODY. YOU
  • 00:16:09.170 --> 00:16:12.000
  • CAN'T FIRE THEM BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE CIVIL SERVICE STUFF IS
  • 00:16:12.010 --> 00:16:14.080
  • SET UP. SO THEY JUST, THEY GO ON INTO PERPETUITY AND WHAT HAPPENS
  • 00:16:14.090 --> 00:16:18.030
  • IS, IT'LL GO AFTER, YOU CAN HAVE A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT, THEN A
  • 00:16:18.040 --> 00:16:23.240
  • DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT, THEN 2 REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS, AND 2
  • 00:16:23.250 --> 00:16:26.010
  • DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTS AS IF NOTHING IN THESE AGENCIES
  • 00:16:26.020 --> 00:16:29.020
  • CHANGE. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING BY EXPOSING IT, YOU GET CHANGE. AS
  • 00:16:29.030 --> 00:16:34.040
  • I SAID, THE IRS IS ALREADY BECOMING A RADICALLY DIFFERENT
  • 00:16:34.050 --> 00:16:36.220
  • ORGANIZATION THAN IT WAS, IT COULD NOT DO WHAT IT DID IN 2014
  • 00:16:36.230 --> 00:16:40.110
  • IN 2017. SO THAT'S A BIG AGENCY. JORDAN SAYS IT'S ONE OF THE MOST
  • 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:45.200
  • FEARED AGENCIES THAT WE HAVE. JORDAN SEKULOW: USED TO BE.
  • 00:16:45.210 --> 00:16:47.230
  • -YEAH, I MEAN, IT WAS. SO NOW WE'VE GOT THE WHOLE THING GOING
  • 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:49.240
  • ON WITH THE FBI. AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF
  • 00:16:49.250 --> 00:16:52.090
  • THAT NONSENSE. NOT JUST WITH THE JAMES COMEY SIDE, BUT THE WHOLE
  • 00:16:52.100 --> 00:16:55.000
  • SITUATION WITH LORETTA LYNCH AND BILL CLINTON, AND THEN THE FBI
  • 00:16:55.010 --> 00:16:57.120
  • TELLING US THEY DIDN'T HAVE DOCUMENTS, BUT NOW THEY DO HAVE
  • 00:16:57.130 --> 00:17:00.180
  • DOCUMENTS. AND THEY'RE OPENING IT, BUT THEY WON'T TELL US WHEN
  • 00:17:00.190 --> 00:17:02.280
  • THEY'RE GOING TO RESPOND. SO THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT,
  • 00:17:02.290 --> 00:17:05.180
  • PAINSTAKINGLY, AND LOGAN'S READING THE COMMENTS, I MEAN,
  • 00:17:05.190 --> 00:17:08.240
  • IT'S NOT EVERYBODY GOING TO JAIL. LET'S BE CLEAR ON THAT.
  • 00:17:08.250 --> 00:17:12.030
  • IT'S FIXING THE AGENCY ISSUES. CLOSING THE LEAKS. I DO BELIEVE
  • 00:17:12.040 --> 00:17:16.120
  • IF YOU HAVE LEAKS OF NATIONAL SECURITY INFORMATION, OR LEAKS
  • 00:17:16.130 --> 00:17:19.110
  • OF ANY KIND THAT ARE A VIOLATION OF THE LAW, THEY SHOULD BE
  • 00:17:19.120 --> 00:17:21.130
  • PROSECUTED. -YEAH, I MEAN, I'M KIND OF TO THE POINT NOW WHERE
  • 00:17:21.140 --> 00:17:23.220
  • IF WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS JEFF SESSIONS BETTER BE
  • 00:17:23.230 --> 00:17:26.180
  • ANNOUNCING SOMEBODY GETTING INDICTED. IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY
  • 00:17:26.190 --> 00:17:29.220
  • WILL BE CONVICTED YET, BUT IT SHOULD BE THAT THE INVESTIGATION
  • 00:17:29.230 --> 00:17:33.050
  • IS OVER AND SOMEBODY IS GETTING INDICTED. BECAUSE REMEMBER THAT
  • 00:17:33.060 --> 00:17:35.150
  • WHOLE PRESS CONFERENCE? WE'VE HAD A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF
  • 00:17:35.160 --> 00:17:38.240
  • LEAKS; PEOPLE DO NEED TO GO TO JAIL FOR THOSE. AND I DON'T WANT
  • 00:17:38.250 --> 00:17:43.020
  • TO MAKE PEOPLE THINK WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT. WHEN IT COMES TO
  • 00:17:43.030 --> 00:17:45.150
  • NATIONAL SECURITY LEAKS, WE'VE GOT TO PUT PEOPLE BEHIND BARS.
  • 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:48.190
  • WHEN WE TALK ABOUT GOVERNMENT AGENCIES ACTING OUT OF CONTROL,
  • 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:51.250
  • WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REFORMING THE STRUCTURE AND ALSO GETTING
  • 00:17:51.260 --> 00:17:54.270
  • THE BUREACRATS FIRED, REMOVING THEM. NOT NECESSARILY SENDING
  • 00:17:54.280 --> 00:17:58.030
  • THEM TO JAIL, BUT REMOVING THEM FROM THEIR POSITIONS, WHICH
  • 00:17:58.040 --> 00:18:00.270
  • TAKES CAUSE, WHICH TAKES EXPOSING THEM. AND THEY'VE BEEN
  • 00:18:00.280 --> 00:18:03.180
  • HIDING BEHIND, IN THE SHADOWS. THESE FOIAS BRING THEM TO LIGHT.
  • 00:18:03.190 --> 00:18:07.230
  • IT EXPOSES WHO THE PEOPLE ARE; THAT COURT ORDER FROM THE JUDGE.
  • 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:11.020
  • IT INSTRUCTS THE IRS TO SAY YOU MUST TELL US EXACTLY WHO WAS
  • 00:18:11.030 --> 00:18:16.080
  • INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS BY NAME. AND THEN WHAT CAN THE
  • 00:18:16.090 --> 00:18:19.170
  • GOVERNMENT DO? WHO'S STILL THERE? -RIGHT. FIND OUT WHO'S
  • 00:18:19.180 --> 00:18:22.060
  • RESPONSIBLE. -WE KNOW LOIS LERNER'S NOT THERE AND SOME OF
  • 00:18:22.070 --> 00:18:24.040
  • HER DEPUTIES AREN'T THERE, BUT WHO ELSE IS STILL THERE BECAUSE
  • 00:18:24.050 --> 00:18:27.090
  • THEY CAN THEN BE FIRED FOR CAUSE WITHOUT QUESTION BY THE IRS
  • 00:18:27.100 --> 00:18:32.060
  • LEADERSHIP AND ULTIMATELY THE TREASURY DEPARTMENT THAT
  • 00:18:32.070 --> 00:18:34.210
  • OVERSEES IT. -YEAH. LET'S TAKE A CALL. LOGAN SEKULOW: ALRIGHT,
  • 00:18:34.220 --> 00:18:37.010
  • LET'S DO IT. LET'S GO TO MICHELLE IN INDIANA ON LINE 5.
  • 00:18:37.020 --> 00:18:39.100
  • MICHELLE, WELCOME TO JAY SEKULOW LIVE. -HI, MICHELLE. -HI. HOW
  • 00:18:39.110 --> 00:18:43.070
  • ARE YOU? GOD BLESS YOU FOR ALL THE HARD WORK YOU DO. I JUST
  • 00:18:43.080 --> 00:18:47.080
  • WANT TO KNOW, I WONDER WHY THEY DON'T START CHARGING PEOPLE AND
  • 00:18:47.090 --> 00:18:53.190
  • TREATING THEM LIKE DRUG DEALERS AND TO START ROLLING OVER ON
  • 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:57.090
  • EACH OTHER. BECAUSE IF WE DON'T START DOING IT AND MAKING
  • 00:18:57.100 --> 00:19:00.220
  • EXAMPLES OUT OF THEM, THEN IT'S JUST GOING TO CONTINUE. -WELL,
  • 00:19:00.230 --> 00:19:04.230
  • LOOK YOU'VE GOT TO PROSECUTE PEOPLE WHEN YOU THINK THERE IS A
  • 00:19:04.240 --> 00:19:06.180
  • CRIME THAT'S BEEN COMMITTED. AND THE SITUATION WITH THE IRS, WAS
  • 00:19:06.190 --> 00:19:10.280
  • THERE A CRIME COMMITTED? THAT'S A HARDER QUESTION. SHE TOOK THE
  • 00:19:10.290 --> 00:19:13.100
  • 5TH AMENDMENT SO HER LAWYERS WERE CONCERNED ENOUGH ABOUT IT
  • 00:19:13.110 --> 00:19:15.220
  • TO DO THAT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS TO ASSERT THE 5TH
  • 00:19:15.230 --> 00:19:18.070
  • AMENDMENT SO YOU CAN'T DRAW A CONCLUSION ON THAT. BUT WHAT WE
  • 00:19:18.080 --> 00:19:20.240
  • HAVE TO DO IN THESE CASES, AND AS I SAID, WE'VE GOT 7 IN
  • 00:19:20.250 --> 00:19:23.090
  • FEDERAL COURT RIGHT NOW IN VARIOUS AGENCIES, IF YOU'VE GOT
  • 00:19:23.100 --> 00:19:26.040
  • TO PROCEED IN A WAY TO GET A RESULT, WHICH IS ULTIMATELY TO
  • 00:19:26.050 --> 00:19:30.070
  • CHANGE THE POLICY AND PRACTICE OF THE AGENCY. SO THIS IS, AS I
  • 00:19:30.080 --> 00:19:34.060
  • SAID, IT'S A SLOW PROCESS, BUT WE'VE MADE HUGE PROGRESS ON THE
  • 00:19:34.070 --> 00:19:36.240
  • IRS CASE. LOOK, I THINK WE'RE MAKING BIG PROGRESS ON THE WHOLE
  • 00:19:36.250 --> 00:19:40.150
  • DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE AND FBI MATTER. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK
  • 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:42.240
  • ANYBODY CAN DENY THE FACT THAT IT IS UNUSUAL, IF NOT UNHEARD OF
  • 00:19:42.250 --> 00:19:48.010
  • THAT THE FBI WOULD REOPEN A FOIA INQUIRY, FREEDOM OF INFORMATION
  • 00:19:48.020 --> 00:19:52.290
  • ACT INQUIRY, AFTER THEY DENIED THAT THERE WERE DOCUMENTS IN
  • 00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:57.000
  • EXISTENCE. THAT WAS BECAUSE WE WERE SMART ENOUGH TO GO AFTER
  • 00:19:57.010 --> 00:19:59.140
  • THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WHO SHOWED THE DOCUMENTS WITH THE
  • 00:19:59.150 --> 00:20:01.260
  • FBI IN IT. SO I KEEP SAYING ITS UN, I DON'T KNOW OF ANOTHER CASE
  • 00:20:01.270 --> 00:20:05.200
  • WHERE THEY'VE DONE IT. MAYBE THEY HAVE, JORDAN, BUT IT'S
  • 00:20:05.210 --> 00:20:07.220
  • PRETTY UNPRECEDENTED. -YEAH. NO, I MEAN, THIS IS TOTALLY
  • 00:20:07.230 --> 00:20:10.240
  • UNPRECEDENTED. I'VE NEVER SEEN JUDICIAL WATCH WHICH FILES A LOT
  • 00:20:10.250 --> 00:20:15.180
  • OF FOIA'S EITHER, WHERE THEY ACTUALLY COME TO YOU AND SAY WE
  • 00:20:15.190 --> 00:20:18.100
  • HAVE NOTHING. IT'S ONE THING TO SAY WE HAVE SOMETHING BUT WE'RE
  • 00:20:18.110 --> 00:20:24.110
  • NOT GOING TO GIVE IT TO YOU, OR YOU HAVE TO TAKE THEM TO COURT
  • 00:20:24.120 --> 00:20:26.110
  • TO PRODUCE DOCUMENTS, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING ELSE TO SAY
  • 00:20:26.120 --> 00:20:29.130
  • WE HAVE NOTHING HERE IT IS IN DOCUMENT, AND THEN BECAUSE OF
  • 00:20:29.140 --> 00:20:32.270
  • ANOTHER FOIA THAT'S RELEASED BY COURT ORDER FORM A DIFFERENT
  • 00:20:32.280 --> 00:20:36.200
  • AGENCY, THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, THE FBI HAVING TO COME
  • 00:20:36.210 --> 00:20:39.120
  • BACK AND SAY, OR ANY GOVERNMENT AGENCY HAVING TO COME BACK AND
  • 00:20:39.130 --> 00:20:41.200
  • SAY NOW WE HAVE TO REOPEN YOUR FOIA. -ALRIGHT, GO BACK TO THE
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  • PHONES? -YEAH, LET'S GO TO NATALIE IN ATLANTA, GA. WHO IS
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  • OUR COUSIN, WHO'S ON THE AIR. NATALIE, WELCOME. YOU'RE ON THE
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  • SHOW. [CHUCKLES] -HEY, EVERYONE. -YOU CAN TEXT US, YOU
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  • KNOW. I'M KIDDING. GO AHEAD. -LOGAN, SAID YOU CAN TEXT US
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  • ANY QUESTION YOU HAVE ALSO ANY TIME YOU WANT. BUT ALRIGHT, GO
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  • AHEAD NATALIE. IT'S FRIDAY. -OKAY, I HAVE A QUESTION SINCE,
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  • KIND OF FOR YOUR YOUNGER LISTENERS, COLLEGE LISTENERS WHO
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  • DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE IRS, BUT WERE TAUGHT IN SCHOOL ALL
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  • THE POWERS OF THE GOVERNMENT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE EQUAL. -RIGHT.
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  • -HOW DID THE IRS GET ALL THIS POWER IN THE FIRST PLACE? I
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  • UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S CHANGED NOW BUT HOW DID THEY GET IT IN THE
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  • FIRST PLACE? -THAT IS ACTUALLY A GREAT QUESTION. SO THE IRS IS
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  • PART OF THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH, WHICH MEANS IT'S UNDER THE
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  • PRESIDENCY. THEY ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY, I WOULD SAY,
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  • GIVEN AUTHORITY BECAUSE THEY'RE AN AGENCY-YOU KNOW, THE EPA
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  • AFFECTS EVERYONE IN ONE CAPACITY OR ANOTHER IN A MORE INDIRECT
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  • SENSE. BUT THE IRS CAN AFFECT EVERYBODY INDIVIDUALLY. AND SO
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  • IT'S AN AGENCY THAT HAVE BOTH CIVIL AND CRIMINAL CAPABILITIES
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  • WHEN THEY BRING THINGS. THEY DETERMINE A LOT OF ISSUES FOR
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  • BOTH BUSINESS, EMPLOYERS, EMPLOYEES, AND INDIVIDUAL
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  • CITIZENS. AND ON THE TAX EXEMPT MATTERS THEY ARE THE AGENCY THAT
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  • DETERMINES WHETHER AN ORGANIZATION QUALIFIES FOR TAX
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  • EXEMPT STATUS OR NOT. AND WHAT THE IRS WAS DOING WAS VIOLATING
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  • THE CONSTITUTION AND STATUTORY LAW AS IT RELATED TO THESE
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  • CONSERVATIVE AND TEA PARTY GROUPS. AND BY THE WAY, THEY
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  • SWEEPED UP IN THIS WHOLE ESCAPADE THAT THE IRS ENGAGED
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  • IN, THEY SWEEPED UP GROUPS THAT WERE NOT CONSERVATIVE, AND LOGAN
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  • KNOWS THIS FIRSTHAND FROM A FRIEND OF HIS, JUST BECAUSE OF
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  • THE NAME OF THE ORGANIZATION. -YEAH, OR JUST BECAUSE OF WHAT
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  • WAS ON YOUR WEBSITE MAY HAVE HAD A QUOTE FROM A CONSERVATIVE
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  • LEADER OR TALK SHOW HOST. SOMEONE THAT THEY MAY JUST GO,
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  • HUH. MAYBE THERE'S SOME POLITICAL, EVEN IF IT WASN'T
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  • POLITICAL BASED. IT WAS ESSENTIALLY AN ANTI-CHILD ABUSE
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  • ORGANIZATION. NOTHING POLITICAL, BUT IT HAD A QUOTE ON IT FROM
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  • JUST A CONSERVATIVE LEADER, OR AUTHOR OR SPEAKER. -RIGHT. THAT
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  • WAS ENOUGH FOR THE IRS TO PICK IT UP. SO THAT HAS BEEN CHANGED.
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  • AND WE GOT IT RESOLVED, AS WE DID, BY THE WAY, AND THE END
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  • RESULT, IF YOU ASK ME WHAT ARE THE END RESULTS OF THESE CASES,
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  • I SAID IT YESTERDAY, 38 NON PROFITS GOT THEIR TAX EXEMPT
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  • STATUS RECOGNIZED. THAT'S GOING TO DO IT FOR THE BROADCAST
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  • SUPPORT THE GREAT WORK OF THE TRINITY BROADCASTING NETWORK.
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  • AND WE COME TO EACH AND EVERY WEEK WE'RE NOT PAYING FOR THE
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  • AIR TIME HERE. THAT MEANS WE HAVE MORE LAWYERS IN THE FIELD
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  • HERE IN THE UNITED STATES AND AROUND THE GLOBE DEFENDING
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  • WORK, PRAY FOR THE LAWYERS HERE AND OUR TEAMS, INCLUDING OUR
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