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Allen Jackson At NRB | Praise

March 4, 2025 | S25:E304

Allen Jackson At NRB | Praise
Erick Stakelbeck hosts Pastor Allen Jackson at NRB.
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Praise | Allen Jackson At NRB | Praise | March 4, 2025
  • (soft music)
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  • - [announcer] coming up, tonight on "praise".
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  • - i think what we've been reminded of
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  • In these last few weeks
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  • Is that what's happening in americka influences the world.
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  • If the light of the gospel in americka is burning brightly
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  • If that biblical worldview in americka is radiating,
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  • It brings light to other nations.
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  • If the church here is silent or quiet or distracted
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  • Or ambivalent or whatever,
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  • It brings shadows over the rest of the world.
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  • The church in this nation,
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  • I believe has a divine responsibility
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  • To take the freedom and liberty
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  • And opportunities that we have,
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  • And to turn that light up as brightly as we can.
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  • It'll impact the whole world.
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  • (upbeat music)
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  • - [announcer] tonight on "praise" from dallas,
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  • Senior pastor of world outreach church
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  • Author and gifted speaker, pastor allen jackson.
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  • (upbeat music)
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  • And now your host, erick stakelbeck.
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  • - welcome to "praise".
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  • I'm erick stakelbeck and welcome to the nrb convention.
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  • This is
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  • The national religious broadcaster's annual convention.
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  • We're in dallas, texas this year,
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  • And with our very good friend, pastor allen jackson,
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  • Host of course of "allen jackson now" right here on tbn,
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  • Senior pastor of world outreach church
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  • In murfreesboro, tennessee.
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  • Allen, great to see you.
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  • - it's good to be with you today, erick.
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  • - it's great to be here.
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  • And number one, you and i were saying,
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  • Nrb is like a big family reunion.
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  • We walk every two feet and we see someone we know.
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  • - absolutely. - which is great.
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  • And number two, hey, we are back to back on tbn,
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  • Allen jackson now is doing great,
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  • Right before "stakelbeck tonight".
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  • We're back to back.
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  • We're talking current events
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  • From a biblical perspective for such a time as this,
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  • And that's why we're talking about
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  • Your brand new upcoming book, "angels demons & you"
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  • Now, folks, march 16th,
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  • It's available for presale right now.
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  • You see the qr code there on your screen,
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  • Pastor allen's latest bestseller.
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  • And i said at the top, for such a time as this,
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  • Pastor allen look, "angels, demons & you".
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  • I know you feel this way, that's why you wrote the book.
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  • But man, it seems we are in
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  • A massive spiritual battle right now.
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  • - oh, i think without question,
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  • If we imagine what's happening is a political challenge
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  • As the church, we're really missing the narrative.
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  • - [erick] yeah.
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  • - i think that's the part of the iceberg that we can see.
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  • But i think beneath all of the elections
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  • And the personalities, and even the policies
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  • And executive orders, there's a spiritual conflict.
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  • It's a worldview conflict.
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  • And the church has to be awake to that, and use our voices
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  • And be very intentional in taking our place.
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  • So that's why we put the book together.
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  • - yeah, no doubt.
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  • And you and i were talking off camera
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  • Before we started allen,
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  • And we were talking a bit about gaza and hamas
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  • And all that madness, we talked about angels, demons and us.
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  • I can't think of a more fitting manifestation
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  • Of the demonic, than hamas.
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  • I mean, we're seeing so much demonic activity.
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  • Clearly, people keep saying,
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  • "wow, this is unspeakable evil."
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  • But it's demonic evil, right?
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  • - it is.
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  • I know you've seen the videos of october 7th,
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  • And you're familiar with the details
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  • And there's no way to understand that
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  • Apart from spiritual forces.
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  • I think if you try to understand it in terms of economics
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  • Or ideologies or religions,
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  • It leaves a big gap in your understanding.
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  • But if you include the biblical narrative
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  • On spiritual forces, it's the puzzle pieces
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  • That then help you understand what you're seeing.
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  • - [erick] yeah.
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  • - and then we know how to react and how to take our place,
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  • And then we don't feel like we're victims.
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  • We can actually be engaged
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  • In what god's doing right now in the earth.
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  • - yeah.
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  • And you said at the top, allen,
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  • If we just think this is on the natural,
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  • If it's just a.
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  • - a common, average political battle,
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  • We're missing the larger point, right?
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  • This is a literally a battle for the soul of us,
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  • Each of us as individuals,
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  • But as americans, a battle for the soul of this nation.
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  • - well, without question,
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  • And i think what we've been reminded of
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  • In these last few weeks
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  • Is that what's happening in america influences the world.
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  • - [host] yeah. - if the light of the gospel
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  • In america is burning brightly,
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  • If that biblical worldview in america is radiating,
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  • It brings light to other nations.
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  • If the church here is silent or quiet or distracted
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  • Or ambivalent or whatever. - [host] yeah.
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  • - and that light is diminished,
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  • It brings shadows over the rest of the world.
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  • Now i know god's purposes will go forward
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  • If america fails.
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  • - [host] yeah.
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  • - but while america exists,
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  • The church in this nation,
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  • I believe, has a divine responsibility.
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  • - [host] yeah.
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  • - to take the freedom and liberty
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  • And opportunities that we have,
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  • And to turn that light up as brightly as we can,
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  • It'll impact the whole world.
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  • - yeah, we have to be ambassadors for christ
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  • And to whom much is given, much is required.
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  • My thinking of america, pastor allen,
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  • The most powerful nation in the history of the world,
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  • Blessed so much by god almighty.
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  • We can't fail in this mandate that he's given us.
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  • Hey, you say in the book that there's much more
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  • Beyond our five senses.
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  • - [pastor allen] yes.
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  • - in the spiritual realm.
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  • Talk about that and also why this book now?
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  • You've written so many bestselling books,
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  • But this is so particularly timely to me
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  • Because of the spiritual warfare we're engaged in.
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  • What motivated you to write the book at this moment?
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  • - well, i think to too large of an extent,
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  • We live with a lack of awareness of the spiritual realm.
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  • - [host] yeah.
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  • - i think the messaging that comes
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  • To us is principally secular
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  • And it's so forceful and powerful and repetitive,
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  • I think we tend to live only in that world.
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  • - [host] yeah.
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  • - and the bible,
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  • Jesus came with a message that was fundamentally spiritual.
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  • And if we're gonna be his friends and his followers,
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  • We've got to be aware of that realm.
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  • So it's really an attempt to say to people
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  • That title "angels, demons & you".
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  • - [host] yeah. - it's the "and you" part,
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  • That's the most important.
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  • We can do seminars ad nauseum about angels and demons,
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  • And then act like,
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  • Well, they're in africa or the middle east.
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  • - right. - but it would be
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  • Like writing a book on diet and exercise
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  • And you. - [host] yeah.
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  • - you know, i'm happy for somebody
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  • To talk about diet and exercise,
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  • And when they get the and me part into it,
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  • I get a little uncomfortable.
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  • And what i need everybody to imagine is
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  • That spiritual forces influenced their life today.
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  • - yeah.
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  • - and we need a plan for that.
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  • And it's not a frightening plan.
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  • I'm more really interested in the angels
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  • That are here to help us.
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  • - [host] yeah. - that are sent forced
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  • As ministering spirits.
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  • You can't understand jesus' life
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  • Through the gospels and his ministry,
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  • Through the balance of the new testament,
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  • Apart from the angels.
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  • We're not gonna fulfill god's purpose for our lives
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  • If we don't understand there are angels engaged with us
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  • To see god's intents brought forth in the earth,
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  • That strengthen us, empower us, bring us awareness.
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  • - [host] yeah.
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  • - and i think we've lived way beneath that awareness.
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  • - yeah, and the book is actually very encouraging.
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  • You said- - [pastor allen] i would hope.
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  • - allen, you do.
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  • You stress angels.
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  • We have aids here in our walk here on earth
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  • In this fallen world.
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  • Hey, you mentioned the middle east and africa.
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  • Why do you think here in the west,
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  • It seems many times people have such a hard time
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  • In accepting and wrapping their heads
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  • - [host] yeah. - that are sent forced
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  • People in the west say, "well, it's all just mumbo jumbo."
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  • But we see intense warfare,
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  • And we hear about god moving in africa,
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  • The middle east in such a profound way.
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  • Why in the west among many,
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  • Does there seem to be that kind of blocker
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  • When it comes to the things of the supernatural?
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  • - yeah, that's a really important point.
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  • I think the simple answer probably is what jesus said
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  • To the rich young ruler after he declined the invitation.
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  • And you know, he said, it's really hard
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  • For those that are affluent
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  • And have options. - wow.
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  • - to see the kingdom. - yeah.
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  • - and i think, you know,
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  • If we're depressed or discouraged, we can go shopping.
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  • - [host] yeah.
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  • - or we can have some way to distract ourselves.
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  • - [host] so true. - and our friends
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  • That live in those other places in the world, much less so.
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  • And they live really much closer,
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  • I think, to the spiritual realm.
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  • - [host] yeah. - and we're gonna have
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  • To humble ourselves and come back
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  • And really look at our bibles as if it matters.
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  • We're gonna have to walk away for a little bit
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  • From the smug certainty that i'm born again
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  • And i'm baptized and there's nothing left to do.
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  • - [host] right.
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  • - i'm an advocate for conversion.
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  • I believe in it, and baptism's important,
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  • But then we gotta grow up in the lord.
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  • - yes. - and we have so much,
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  • We can afford to have a debate
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  • On whether we believe in healing or not.
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  • - [host] yeah. - you know,
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  • Do you believe in medicine or healing?
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  • Yes. - [host] yeah.
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  • - but if you don't have access to doctors and medicine,
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  • You only have one option.
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  • - [host] right. - and so i think,
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  • The american church needs to humble ourselves a bit.
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  • - yeah.
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  • - and get in the game.
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  • The world needs us
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  • To lead with some spiritual reality and awareness.
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  • - yeah, it seems that this is part of our,
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  • As believers, in our walk with the lord,
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  • Even the refining and sanctification progress,
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  • Maybe stretching us a bit
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  • To understand the things of the supernatural.
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  • Speaking of which, and again, the book is so encouraging.
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  • Folks, if you're just joining us with our good friend,
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  • Pastor allen jackson, host of allen jackson,
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  • Now right here on tbn,
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  • The book is called "angels, demons & you",
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  • Available for presale right now it's-
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  • - available nationwide march 16th,
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  • But you can pre-order it right now.
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  • You see the qr code there on your screen.
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  • And this is, don't be intimidated by
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  • The title "demons."
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  • Oh my gosh, no. this book is profoundly encouraging.
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  • And one reason is pastor allen breaks down
  • 00:08:41.344 --> 00:08:43.713
  • How angels are guardians, messengers.
  • 00:08:43.713 --> 00:08:47.550
  • Can you talk more about the angels in our lives
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  • And in the things of the world?
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  • I think of the prophet daniel and his conversations
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  • Talk about the prince of persia and all the rest
  • 00:08:54.123 --> 00:08:55.858
  • And that spiritual warfare.
  • 00:08:55.858 --> 00:08:57.460
  • But allen, can you talk a bit more about the role of angels
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  • In our everyday lives?
  • 00:09:00.763 --> 00:09:02.465
  • - yeah, well, i think the scripture
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  • Really informs our imagination.
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  • You know, it tends to suggest
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  • That a lot of times we're unaware
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  • And we could even have angels in our presence,
  • 00:09:09.005 --> 00:09:10.740
  • Entertain them and not be aware of it.
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  • And we hear those stories from time to time
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  • That are really inexplicable,
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  • Other than there was some spiritual being
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  • That helped us through a place.
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  • But then i think we really look past the strength.
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  • You know, when they came to arrest jesus
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  • And peter's ready to fight, we all know the story.
  • 00:09:25.688 --> 00:09:27.556
  • And jesus said, "listen, this isn't a power struggle.
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  • I've got almost an unlimited number of angels
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  • And we would carry the day, but i need to do this."
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  • And when you get to the book of revelation, you know,
  • 00:09:35.865 --> 00:09:37.800
  • It sends an angel to john to give him this amazing insight.
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  • And the end of the age is really a story
  • 00:09:42.071 --> 00:09:44.507
  • Of the angels engaging in human history
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  • To let the purposes of god break forward.
  • 00:09:47.410 --> 00:09:49.612
  • Jesus told us that in the parable
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  • Of the wheat and the tares.
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  • You know, he said, "don't worry about the craziness
  • 00:09:53.115 --> 00:09:54.984
  • In the church and in the world."
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  • He said, "at the end of the age,
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  • The angels have a commission to sort it out."
  • 00:09:57.586 --> 00:10:00.856
  • Well, if god trusts the angels with his judgment
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  • Of the earth at the end of the age, i think we need to learn
  • 00:10:03.959 --> 00:10:07.463
  • To trust them with the challenges that we have today.
  • 00:10:07.463 --> 00:10:10.499
  • And typically, i don't think we're aware of it.
  • 00:10:10.499 --> 00:10:12.935
  • You know, i grew up in the spiritual end of the church
  • 00:10:12.935 --> 00:10:16.038
  • Where all those things were in the portfolio.
  • 00:10:16.038 --> 00:10:20.042
  • And we tended to think that being weird made you spiritual
  • 00:10:20.042 --> 00:10:22.445
  • Or being spontaneous makes you spiritual.
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  • I don't think so.
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  • You know, the god of the bible
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  • Knew the end at the beginning.
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  • And so i think being intensely spiritual means
  • 00:10:29.485 --> 00:10:31.353
  • You might know what god's gonna do on thursday on tuesday.
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  • So i don't always have to be pretending to be spontaneous
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  • To keep my spiritual id card.
  • 00:10:37.693 --> 00:10:39.862
  • But i just think an awareness of spiritual things,
  • 00:10:40.896 --> 00:10:43.599
  • How to stay clean and unclean.
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  • If we're gonna be healthy,
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  • If we're gonna improve our health,
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  • It means every time i sit down to a meal,
  • 00:10:48.104 --> 00:10:49.538
  • I have to think about that.
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  • Every time i feel a little bit hungry,
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  • I have to process that.
  • 00:10:52.675 --> 00:10:54.043
  • Well, if we're gonna stay spiritually healthy,
  • 00:10:54.043 --> 00:10:56.078
  • That's a decision that has to be processed
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  • Dozens of times every day.
  • 00:10:57.913 --> 00:10:59.849
  • What i listen to, what i watch,
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  • How i interact with my friends,
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  • If i choose to humble myself or be arrogant.
  • 00:11:02.985 --> 00:11:05.721
  • Will i forgive or be angry and resentful?
  • 00:11:05.721 --> 00:11:08.257
  • All of those things contribute to my spiritual health.
  • 00:11:08.257 --> 00:11:11.260
  • It's too easy to blame a demon, you know, or the devil.
  • 00:11:11.260 --> 00:11:14.897
  • I mean, flip wilson-
  • 00:11:14.897 --> 00:11:16.565
  • - "the devil made me do it." - made a whole career out of,
  • 00:11:16.565 --> 00:11:17.500
  • "the devil made me do it."
  • 00:11:17.500 --> 00:11:18.834
  • And i'm not diminishing the devil. he's real.
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  • But i think if we'll come back and begin to have a desire
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  • To lead spiritually clean lives,
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  • It changes the entire dynamic
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  • And then we prepare ourselves as a vessel
  • 00:11:29.745 --> 00:11:31.480
  • That god can use in a far more profound way.
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  • And we're just stopped, waiting for heaven.
  • 00:11:34.650 --> 00:11:36.352
  • - yeah. be holy as i am holy.
  • 00:11:36.352 --> 00:11:39.088
  • Do you think, speaking of the devil, allen,
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  • Do you think that we maybe exaggerate,
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  • Or many people say, "wow."
  • 00:11:44.560 --> 00:11:46.362
  • Many people give the devil more power
  • 00:11:46.362 --> 00:11:48.831
  • Than he really has, and demons as well.
  • 00:11:48.831 --> 00:11:51.734
  • He's not god. he's not on an equal par with god, obviously.
  • 00:11:51.734 --> 00:11:54.904
  • Do you think many people say, "oh wow, the devil,
  • 00:11:54.904 --> 00:11:57.239
  • He's this strong, overwhelming force."
  • 00:11:57.239 --> 00:11:59.875
  • But do you think maybe, and especially for believers,
  • 00:11:59.875 --> 00:12:02.244
  • Do we overstate his power and influence a bit?
  • 00:12:02.244 --> 00:12:04.780
  • He's very influential in a horrible way, obviously.
  • 00:12:04.780 --> 00:12:07.082
  • But can that be overstated,
  • 00:12:07.082 --> 00:12:08.384
  • Maybe sometimes people get hung up on that?
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  • Well, i always try to remember
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  • That it's not a power encounter, it's a truth encounter.
  • 00:12:12.221 --> 00:12:15.391
  • And if i understand the truth that's been given to me
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  • And the place from which i'm standing and ministering,
  • 00:12:17.726 --> 00:12:20.529
  • Then it really isn't about power,
  • 00:12:20.529 --> 00:12:22.531
  • But sometimes i'm a little uncomfortable.
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  • Jesus didn't mock the devil,
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  • And i don't wanna do that either.
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  • You know, he has diminished
  • 00:12:29.572 --> 00:12:30.706
  • All of our heroes without exception.
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  • I mean, from abraham- - very true.
  • 00:12:34.176 --> 00:12:35.778
  • - to david to paul, i mean, he really diminished our heroes.
  • 00:12:35.778 --> 00:12:40.983
  • And so i don't treat him in a skeptical way.
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  • You know, the notion that you have a respect
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  • For the strength of an enemy. - yes.
  • 00:12:48.057 --> 00:12:50.092
  • - my father was a veterinarian. i grew up around horses.
  • 00:12:50.092 --> 00:12:52.595
  • - and as a boy, i was afraid of them,
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  • But i learned not to be.
  • 00:12:53.996 --> 00:12:55.664
  • They just don't frighten me.
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  • Big ones, mean ones, excited ones, i'm okay,
  • 00:12:56.932 --> 00:12:59.168
  • But i don't walk up behind a horse i don't know,
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  • Jerk its tail and scream
  • 00:13:00.903 --> 00:13:02.905
  • Or i'd be going to the emergency room.
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  • - [interviewer] exactly.
  • 00:13:04.740 --> 00:13:05.741
  • - it's not about respect or fear.
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  • It's understanding the strength they have.
  • 00:13:07.042 --> 00:13:09.778
  • And so i acknowledge that satan and his kingdom
  • 00:13:09.778 --> 00:13:13.082
  • Are a formidable adversary.
  • 00:13:13.082 --> 00:13:15.251
  • - [interviewer] yes.
  • 00:13:15.251 --> 00:13:16.385
  • - because they crucified my lord.
  • 00:13:16.385 --> 00:13:18.587
  • - yeah.
  • 00:13:18.587 --> 00:13:19.922
  • - they inflicted enormous pain and suffering
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  • On our friends through the new testament,
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  • And we see it around us.
  • 00:13:23.158 --> 00:13:24.860
  • We weep for human suffering so it's wrong to mock it
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  • Or to suggest that we have a panacea that delivers.
  • 00:13:28.330 --> 00:13:30.199
  • - just completely from the arena.
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  • - [erick] yeah.
  • 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:32.735
  • - having said that, we have a truth
  • 00:13:32.735 --> 00:13:34.403
  • And we've been given a place where we can overcome...
  • 00:13:34.403 --> 00:13:36.872
  • - yes. - all the power of the enemy.
  • 00:13:36.872 --> 00:13:38.641
  • - [erick] we're more than conquerors.
  • 00:13:38.641 --> 00:13:39.808
  • - absolutely.
  • 00:13:39.808 --> 00:13:40.609
  • - through christ jesus.
  • 00:13:40.609 --> 00:13:42.244
  • Wow! - so in that combination,
  • 00:13:42.244 --> 00:13:43.545
  • Somehow we make our way through the...
  • 00:13:43.545 --> 00:13:45.514
  • - yeah.
  • 00:13:45.514 --> 00:13:46.715
  • Have the spirit of power and of love
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  • And of a sound mind, not of fear.
  • 00:13:47.850 --> 00:13:49.818
  • That's kind of more where i was alluding to
  • 00:13:49.818 --> 00:13:51.654
  • Because as you said, pastor allen,
  • 00:13:51.654 --> 00:13:53.489
  • We need to have, i don't wanna use the word respect
  • 00:13:53.489 --> 00:13:55.291
  • When it comes to the enemy,
  • 00:13:55.291 --> 00:13:56.825
  • But a healthy acknowledgement, he's there and he's active
  • 00:13:56.825 --> 00:13:59.328
  • And he wants to destroy our lives.
  • 00:13:59.328 --> 00:14:01.697
  • Speaking of which i mentioned the prophet daniel
  • 00:14:01.697 --> 00:14:03.632
  • And some very interesting passages in the book of daniel,
  • 00:14:03.632 --> 00:14:06.568
  • In the unseen realm, which you talk about
  • 00:14:06.568 --> 00:14:08.203
  • In "angels, demons & you."
  • 00:14:08.203 --> 00:14:09.738
  • There really is a battle going on that we can't see
  • 00:14:09.738 --> 00:14:12.341
  • Behind the scenes
  • 00:14:12.341 --> 00:14:13.676
  • Between angelic and demonic forces, right?
  • 00:14:13.676 --> 00:14:16.512
  • - there is, you know, i probably have a greater sense
  • 00:14:16.512 --> 00:14:19.481
  • Of urgency today than i did
  • 00:14:19.481 --> 00:14:21.317
  • The first week of november before the election.
  • 00:14:21.317 --> 00:14:23.886
  • I don't think there's any question that god moved,
  • 00:14:23.886 --> 00:14:25.688
  • Stirred the hearts of people to raise their hands
  • 00:14:25.688 --> 00:14:27.456
  • And say we're going the wrong way.
  • 00:14:27.456 --> 00:14:28.657
  • - [erick] yeah.
  • 00:14:28.657 --> 00:14:29.959
  • - and so now we have this group of people
  • 00:14:29.959 --> 00:14:31.193
  • That have completely disrupted their lives
  • 00:14:31.193 --> 00:14:32.461
  • To go change policy.
  • 00:14:32.461 --> 00:14:33.762
  • - [erick] yeah.
  • 00:14:33.762 --> 00:14:34.863
  • - if we don't have a corresponding
  • 00:14:34.863 --> 00:14:36.532
  • Or maybe even greater change
  • 00:14:36.532 --> 00:14:38.033
  • In the hearts and behavior of the people of god,
  • 00:14:38.033 --> 00:14:40.869
  • I believe all the policies are temporary,
  • 00:14:40.869 --> 00:14:42.805
  • They'll be easily set aside.
  • 00:14:42.805 --> 00:14:44.473
  • - [erick] yep.
  • 00:14:44.473 --> 00:14:46.041
  • - we have to make the change, 'cause we're the foundation,
  • 00:14:46.041 --> 00:14:47.576
  • We're the spiritual influence.
  • 00:14:47.576 --> 00:14:49.445
  • - [erick] yes.
  • 00:14:49.445 --> 00:14:50.713
  • - those people that are sent to washington,
  • 00:14:50.713 --> 00:14:51.981
  • Are a reflection of the hearts of the people
  • 00:14:51.981 --> 00:14:53.182
  • In the heartland of america.
  • 00:14:53.182 --> 00:14:54.550
  • - yeah.
  • 00:14:54.550 --> 00:14:55.951
  • - so i'm trying to think of myself, our good friend,
  • 00:14:55.951 --> 00:14:57.953
  • Just by proximity on tbn with governor huckabee.
  • 00:14:58.921 --> 00:15:01.790
  • - of course. - you know, he got tagged
  • 00:15:01.790 --> 00:15:03.092
  • To be the ambassador to israel.
  • 00:15:03.092 --> 00:15:04.626
  • - [erick] yeah, great choice.
  • 00:15:04.626 --> 00:15:06.061
  • - and i couldn't agree more, i'm so happy for him.
  • 00:15:06.061 --> 00:15:08.630
  • But we were close enough to him
  • 00:15:08.630 --> 00:15:09.965
  • To see the disruption that brought.
  • 00:15:09.965 --> 00:15:12.067
  • He had a life in place, good thing going.
  • 00:15:12.067 --> 00:15:14.470
  • Had a daily program.
  • 00:15:14.470 --> 00:15:15.838
  • I mean, a lot of good things to do.
  • 00:15:15.838 --> 00:15:17.339
  • So it was financially disruptive.
  • 00:15:17.339 --> 00:15:19.241
  • His daughter's in the governor's mansion
  • 00:15:19.241 --> 00:15:20.876
  • In little rock with his grandkids.
  • 00:15:20.876 --> 00:15:22.411
  • He moved from florida back to arkansas.
  • 00:15:22.411 --> 00:15:24.513
  • - [erick] yeah.
  • 00:15:24.513 --> 00:15:25.714
  • - and now all of that's in the blender.
  • 00:15:25.714 --> 00:15:27.249
  • And he is gotta go tell his wife,
  • 00:15:27.249 --> 00:15:28.550
  • "we're moving 8,000 miles away to a city
  • 00:15:28.550 --> 00:15:30.819
  • That's under constant siege.
  • 00:15:30.819 --> 00:15:32.988
  • We're gonna forfeit some things economic."
  • 00:15:32.988 --> 00:15:34.623
  • All of that in order to take his place in a political.
  • 00:15:34.623 --> 00:15:37.793
  • So my question is, what are you and i doing?
  • 00:15:37.793 --> 00:15:39.862
  • What are the people listening to us doing
  • 00:15:39.862 --> 00:15:42.097
  • To make changes in our lives now,
  • 00:15:42.097 --> 00:15:43.799
  • To reflect saying to the lord,
  • 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:45.701
  • We have to move a different direction.
  • 00:15:45.701 --> 00:15:47.836
  • In our communities, our schools,
  • 00:15:47.836 --> 00:15:50.139
  • Have to get the trash outta the libraries.
  • 00:15:50.139 --> 00:15:52.207
  • We have to have the courage to tell the truth
  • 00:15:52.207 --> 00:15:54.810
  • About dei and crt in our churches.
  • 00:15:54.810 --> 00:15:57.579
  • - yes.
  • 00:15:57.579 --> 00:15:58.814
  • - are we willing to be change agents?
  • 00:15:58.814 --> 00:16:00.215
  • It's not a political battle, it's a spiritual battle.
  • 00:16:00.215 --> 00:16:03.118
  • And if the church still has a seminar
  • 00:16:03.118 --> 00:16:05.254
  • On whether or not we believe in angels and demons,
  • 00:16:05.254 --> 00:16:07.890
  • And we're not engaged, we are abandoning the arena
  • 00:16:07.890 --> 00:16:10.793
  • And we cannot do that.
  • 00:16:10.793 --> 00:16:12.161
  • - yeah.
  • 00:16:12.161 --> 00:16:13.295
  • Pastor allen, i love how you put it,
  • 00:16:13.295 --> 00:16:14.696
  • Because in your pulpit at world outreach church,
  • 00:16:14.696 --> 00:16:16.999
  • You're telling it like it is.
  • 00:16:16.999 --> 00:16:18.267
  • You're not mincing words, needless to say.
  • 00:16:18.267 --> 00:16:20.436
  • And i look at one issue, many issues,
  • 00:16:20.436 --> 00:16:22.071
  • But an issue in particular,
  • 00:16:22.071 --> 00:16:23.539
  • That i think kind of epitomizes the spiritual warfare.
  • 00:16:23.539 --> 00:16:26.175
  • They're coming after our children, quite literally.
  • 00:16:26.175 --> 00:16:28.811
  • And we see kids as young as 10 years old being mutilated,
  • 00:16:28.811 --> 00:16:31.680
  • Their genders, gender reassignment so-called.
  • 00:16:31.680 --> 00:16:34.450
  • This is from the pit of hell, it seems to me.
  • 00:16:34.450 --> 00:16:37.252
  • It seems to me that every pulpit in america
  • 00:16:37.252 --> 00:16:39.121
  • Should have been preaching about this on sundays.
  • 00:16:39.121 --> 00:16:40.856
  • I know you have addressed it many times.
  • 00:16:40.856 --> 00:16:43.158
  • But issues like that, you think the church,
  • 00:16:43.158 --> 00:16:45.294
  • In many ways has abdicated our position to be salt and light
  • 00:16:45.294 --> 00:16:50.165
  • And speaking out on issues that are so clearly evil.
  • 00:16:50.165 --> 00:16:53.268
  • And as you write about,
  • 00:16:53.268 --> 00:16:54.703
  • These are so clearly supernatural spiritual issues
  • 00:16:54.703 --> 00:16:57.606
  • To target our kids and try to change their gender.
  • 00:16:57.606 --> 00:17:00.075
  • This is madness.
  • 00:17:00.075 --> 00:17:01.610
  • And i felt like far too many pulpits were silent on this.
  • 00:17:01.610 --> 00:17:04.880
  • How do you see that?
  • 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:06.148
  • - well, i agree and i'm grateful for what you're doing
  • 00:17:07.249 --> 00:17:10.219
  • With your program and your voice in the media
  • 00:17:10.219 --> 00:17:13.122
  • Reminding the christian community,
  • 00:17:13.122 --> 00:17:15.090
  • You know, we are called to be the light of the world,
  • 00:17:15.090 --> 00:17:18.026
  • But i think rather than being the light,
  • 00:17:18.026 --> 00:17:19.428
  • We've become a light gospel.
  • 00:17:19.428 --> 00:17:20.929
  • - [erick] yeah.
  • 00:17:20.929 --> 00:17:22.431
  • - and we've been kind of hiding from some of those things.
  • 00:17:22.431 --> 00:17:23.632
  • - [erick] yeah.
  • 00:17:23.632 --> 00:17:25.067
  • - i understand why our churches are divided,
  • 00:17:25.067 --> 00:17:27.035
  • You know, for a whole host of reasons.
  • 00:17:27.035 --> 00:17:29.138
  • But i'm an advocate for the truth.
  • 00:17:29.138 --> 00:17:30.672
  • At the end of the day,
  • 00:17:30.672 --> 00:17:32.007
  • We have to be willing to tell the truth.
  • 00:17:32.007 --> 00:17:34.576
  • - [erick] yeah.
  • 00:17:34.576 --> 00:17:35.878
  • - and i think we've been a little bit co-opted
  • 00:17:35.878 --> 00:17:37.179
  • By this notion that the gospel should be kind.
  • 00:17:37.179 --> 00:17:40.249
  • You know, voddie baucham says
  • 00:17:40.249 --> 00:17:41.550
  • That kindness is not the 11th commandment.
  • 00:17:41.550 --> 00:17:43.085
  • And i agree with him.
  • 00:17:43.085 --> 00:17:44.753
  • - [erick] there's this timidity almost.
  • 00:17:44.753 --> 00:17:46.421
  • - yes.
  • 00:17:46.421 --> 00:17:47.256
  • - in some ways.
  • 00:17:47.256 --> 00:17:48.557
  • - well, the message i hear so often, is well,
  • 00:17:48.557 --> 00:17:49.691
  • "my assignment is to bring unity.
  • 00:17:49.691 --> 00:17:51.126
  • I wanna bring unity."
  • 00:17:51.126 --> 00:17:52.461
  • If i remember correctly, jesus said,
  • 00:17:52.461 --> 00:17:53.996
  • "i came to bring division."
  • 00:17:53.996 --> 00:17:55.230
  • - [erick] that's right.
  • 00:17:55.230 --> 00:17:56.365
  • - even into a household. - the sword.
  • 00:17:56.365 --> 00:17:57.933
  • - and we're gonna have to have the courage
  • 00:17:58.834 --> 00:18:00.102
  • To understand that the truth is divisive.
  • 00:18:00.102 --> 00:18:01.970
  • And if you go to the doctor, and the doctor's your friend,
  • 00:18:01.970 --> 00:18:05.140
  • And you only want him to give you good news.
  • 00:18:05.140 --> 00:18:07.843
  • That's not a good friend or a good doctor,
  • 00:18:07.843 --> 00:18:09.645
  • That's malpractice.
  • 00:18:09.645 --> 00:18:11.246
  • You need a doctor to tell you you're fat or your diet's bad,
  • 00:18:11.246 --> 00:18:14.082
  • Or you need to exercise more,
  • 00:18:14.082 --> 00:18:15.684
  • Or you've got a disease process we need to address.
  • 00:18:15.684 --> 00:18:18.820
  • That's the point of the engagement.
  • 00:18:18.820 --> 00:18:20.622
  • - yeah.
  • 00:18:20.622 --> 00:18:21.590
  • - and if you just go to church
  • 00:18:21.590 --> 00:18:22.724
  • Or you just engage with scripture
  • 00:18:22.724 --> 00:18:23.892
  • Or your faith to hear a happy message,
  • 00:18:23.892 --> 00:18:26.461
  • You know, i like to be happy, i'm good with that.
  • 00:18:26.461 --> 00:18:28.297
  • But we also.
  • 00:18:28.297 --> 00:18:30.265
  • - need to hear the truth.
  • 00:18:30.832 --> 00:18:32.034
  • On our watch, on our lifetime, - yes.
  • 00:18:32.034 --> 00:18:34.236
  • - we are witnessing one of the most precipitous declines
  • 00:18:34.236 --> 00:18:36.638
  • In christian influence in the history of the church.
  • 00:18:36.638 --> 00:18:39.541
  • I'm not stepping into eternity with that
  • 00:18:39.541 --> 00:18:41.510
  • On my resume casually.
  • 00:18:41.510 --> 00:18:43.712
  • I'll go kicking and screaming, - yes.
  • 00:18:43.712 --> 00:18:45.781
  • - doing everything in our power, as i know you are,
  • 00:18:45.781 --> 00:18:48.317
  • To tell the truth to our generation as plainly
  • 00:18:48.317 --> 00:18:51.086
  • And as concisely and with love and compassion as we can.
  • 00:18:51.086 --> 00:18:55.257
  • - yeah. amen.
  • 00:18:55.257 --> 00:18:56.491
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  • As you said, we've got a golden opportunity in this country.
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  • I feel like god gave us a reprieve on november 5th,
  • 00:19:36.265 --> 00:19:38.900
  • A second chance,
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  • And it seems like this is a chance we dare not squander.
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  • - no, i don't think there's any question.
  • 00:19:45.674 --> 00:19:47.776
  • You know, the purpose,
  • 00:19:47.776 --> 00:19:49.311
  • We talk a lot about god being a god of grace and mercy,
  • 00:19:49.311 --> 00:19:52.147
  • But as i understand scripture,
  • 00:19:52.147 --> 00:19:53.749
  • The purpose of grace and mercy is to bring us to repentance.
  • 00:19:53.749 --> 00:19:57.286
  • - yeah. - it's not to just give us
  • 00:19:57.286 --> 00:19:58.687
  • Like in monopoly, a get out of jail free card.
  • 00:19:58.687 --> 00:20:00.856
  • - yeah. - and i think we saw
  • 00:20:00.856 --> 00:20:02.524
  • An expression of the grace and mercy of god
  • 00:20:02.524 --> 00:20:04.693
  • In the most improbable of times.
  • 00:20:04.693 --> 00:20:07.095
  • So now i think the response is
  • 00:20:07.095 --> 00:20:08.730
  • To bring god's people to repentance.
  • 00:20:08.730 --> 00:20:11.266
  • You know, not to look through the windows of our churches
  • 00:20:11.266 --> 00:20:14.002
  • And say, "those people are the problem."
  • 00:20:14.002 --> 00:20:15.904
  • - yeah. - we've gotta put our faces
  • 00:20:15.904 --> 00:20:17.506
  • On the ground and say,
  • 00:20:17.506 --> 00:20:19.074
  • "i've lived with a lack of awareness of spiritual things.
  • 00:20:19.074 --> 00:20:21.310
  • I thought we could outthink evil or outwork evil,
  • 00:20:21.310 --> 00:20:23.445
  • Or outorganize evil or..."
  • 00:20:23.445 --> 00:20:25.681
  • And in truth, we need to know the power of god
  • 00:20:25.681 --> 00:20:28.216
  • In a more personal way, a more transformative way.
  • 00:20:28.216 --> 00:20:30.619
  • Let's come back to the basics. - yeah.
  • 00:20:30.619 --> 00:20:32.688
  • - let's go back to church.
  • 00:20:32.688 --> 00:20:34.189
  • Let's go sit together again on the weekends.
  • 00:20:34.189 --> 00:20:36.391
  • I'm appreciative of technology and television
  • 00:20:36.391 --> 00:20:38.827
  • And livestream and all the digital, but we need community.
  • 00:20:38.827 --> 00:20:42.998
  • - exactly. - and let's go back
  • 00:20:42.998 --> 00:20:44.833
  • And read our bibles daily, systematically, cover to cover.
  • 00:20:44.833 --> 00:20:48.603
  • Let's start to pray for people in our sphere of influence
  • 00:20:48.603 --> 00:20:51.773
  • As if that's as normal as having a cup of coffee together.
  • 00:20:51.773 --> 00:20:55.544
  • - yeah. - let's do the simple,
  • 00:20:55.544 --> 00:20:57.079
  • Profound things that bring vitality to our faith,
  • 00:20:57.079 --> 00:21:01.216
  • And then let's watch what god will do.
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  • We're talking about the supernatural, allen,
  • 00:21:18.867 --> 00:21:21.002
  • And talking about november 5th and the ramifications
  • 00:21:21.002 --> 00:21:23.338
  • Of that for america, really for the world.
  • 00:21:23.338 --> 00:21:25.907
  • Have you felt a shift in a spiritual sense?
  • 00:21:25.907 --> 00:21:28.910
  • To me, i really felt it july 13th in butler, pennsylvania,
  • 00:21:28.910 --> 00:21:32.681
  • When i believe it was, we talked about the supernatural.
  • 00:21:32.681 --> 00:21:34.616
  • It was miraculous, i believe.
  • 00:21:34.616 --> 00:21:36.218
  • Donald trump, at the last possible millisecond,
  • 00:21:36.218 --> 00:21:38.920
  • Turning his head and dodging that bullet.
  • 00:21:38.920 --> 00:21:41.289
  • It seemed like something shifted there,
  • 00:21:41.289 --> 00:21:43.024
  • Possibly in the supernatural realm.
  • 00:21:43.024 --> 00:21:45.660
  • And i think it's been full speed ahead since then
  • 00:21:45.660 --> 00:21:47.829
  • And god is moving, for sure.
  • 00:21:47.829 --> 00:21:50.399
  • Do you sense that shift? and we may see a trickle effect.
  • 00:21:50.399 --> 00:21:53.769
  • You and i were talking before the interview about jd vance,
  • 00:21:53.769 --> 00:21:55.937
  • His recent speech in munich to european leaders.
  • 00:21:55.937 --> 00:21:58.473
  • We were both very impressed by it.
  • 00:21:58.473 --> 00:22:00.375
  • Do you think this shift
  • 00:22:00.375 --> 00:22:02.744
  • That i think we're seeing in america could have kind
  • 00:22:02.744 --> 00:22:05.213
  • Of a trickle effect across the western world, god willing?
  • 00:22:05.213 --> 00:22:09.151
  • The secular western world,
  • 00:22:09.151 --> 00:22:10.952
  • Very secular. - right. no, no.
  • 00:22:10.952 --> 00:22:13.255
  • Well, the point of the gospel is
  • 00:22:13.255 --> 00:22:14.489
  • To impact the secular world,
  • 00:22:14.489 --> 00:22:16.324
  • But it comes when first, god's people are impacted,
  • 00:22:16.324 --> 00:22:19.995
  • And we've lost that.
  • 00:22:19.995 --> 00:22:21.596
  • Yeah, i think you're exactly right.
  • 00:22:21.596 --> 00:22:23.565
  • I think what we saw in butler, pa, i've had no visions,
  • 00:22:23.565 --> 00:22:27.235
  • I've had no supernatural affirmation.
  • 00:22:27.235 --> 00:22:29.538
  • But if you ask me to explain it,
  • 00:22:29.538 --> 00:22:31.306
  • I think an angel put his hands on the sides
  • 00:22:31.306 --> 00:22:33.275
  • Of mr. trump's head and turned it infinitesimally.
  • 00:22:33.275 --> 00:22:37.345
  • I mean, how else can you explain that?
  • 00:22:37.345 --> 00:22:38.980
  • If he walked peter out of prison
  • 00:22:38.980 --> 00:22:40.449
  • When he is awaiting his execution,
  • 00:22:40.449 --> 00:22:42.684
  • How else can you explain that?
  • 00:22:42.684 --> 00:22:44.352
  • - it was so improbable.
  • 00:22:44.352 --> 00:22:45.754
  • I mean, the last possible second he turns ahead,
  • 00:22:45.754 --> 00:22:48.423
  • It would've been, god forbid,
  • 00:22:48.423 --> 00:22:49.691
  • It would've been a direct shot
  • 00:22:49.691 --> 00:22:50.859
  • In the center of his forehead.
  • 00:22:50.859 --> 00:22:52.794
  • - and i then i think conversely,
  • 00:22:52.794 --> 00:22:54.529
  • How else do you explain all of these professionals
  • 00:22:54.529 --> 00:22:56.565
  • And experts that are there to protect that one man,
  • 00:22:56.565 --> 00:22:59.301
  • Not doing their job? - yes.
  • 00:22:59.301 --> 00:23:00.569
  • - there's something unclean, ungodly.
  • 00:23:00.569 --> 00:23:03.004
  • - [erick] yeah.
  • 00:23:03.004 --> 00:23:04.406
  • - you know, and all whatever that is, whatever it is,
  • 00:23:04.406 --> 00:23:05.974
  • It's been buried, hidden, washed away,
  • 00:23:05.974 --> 00:23:09.110
  • - yeah. - you know, scrubbed,
  • 00:23:09.110 --> 00:23:11.112
  • But god's purposes went forward.
  • 00:23:11.112 --> 00:23:12.948
  • That's why we don't have to be afraid
  • 00:23:12.948 --> 00:23:14.449
  • If we will stand in the purposes of god.
  • 00:23:14.449 --> 00:23:17.018
  • - amen. - but yes,
  • 00:23:17.018 --> 00:23:18.420
  • There is a sense of a fresh breeze.
  • 00:23:18.420 --> 00:23:20.922
  • - yeah. - you know,
  • 00:23:20.922 --> 00:23:22.190
  • I don't wanna harken back the pentecost,
  • 00:23:22.190 --> 00:23:23.492
  • But it wouldn't offend me if we saw the spirit
  • 00:23:23.492 --> 00:23:25.160
  • Of god poured out upon us as we repent and turn
  • 00:23:25.160 --> 00:23:29.130
  • Our faces to the lord. - i'll take it.
  • 00:23:29.130 --> 00:23:30.565
  • - it's what peter said in acts two.
  • 00:23:31.366 --> 00:23:32.033
  • - yeah.
  • 00:23:32.033 --> 00:23:33.335
  • - they were cut to the, what do we have to do?
  • 00:23:33.335 --> 00:23:34.102
  • He said, "repent."
  • 00:23:34.102 --> 00:23:34.903
  • - yes.
  • 00:23:34.903 --> 00:23:36.037
  • - these are the covenant people of god.
  • 00:23:36.037 --> 00:23:37.539
  • They're keeping kosher. they're offering daily sacrifices.
  • 00:23:37.539 --> 00:23:41.009
  • They're going to temple for all the right holidays.
  • 00:23:41.009 --> 00:23:43.578
  • These weren't the pagan nations.
  • 00:23:43.578 --> 00:23:45.146
  • And he said to the covenant people
  • 00:23:45.146 --> 00:23:47.249
  • Of god, "you need to repent."
  • 00:23:47.249 --> 00:23:49.150
  • And all of jerusalem is shaken.
  • 00:23:49.150 --> 00:23:51.653
  • You know, acts chapter three, the lame man is healed.
  • 00:23:51.653 --> 00:23:54.956
  • And it happens in a moment
  • 00:23:54.956 --> 00:23:56.758
  • What didn't happen at any point in jesus' ministry.
  • 00:23:56.758 --> 00:23:58.793
  • Now the spirit of god is moving. the whole city stirred.
  • 00:23:58.793 --> 00:24:01.563
  • The whole region is stirred.
  • 00:24:01.563 --> 00:24:03.431
  • I pray what you sense, what you describe
  • 00:24:03.431 --> 00:24:05.767
  • Is what we watch in the months ahead of us.
  • 00:24:05.767 --> 00:24:07.802
  • - revival, this is the time.
  • 00:24:07.802 --> 00:24:11.172
  • This is a golden opportunity, i feel.
  • 00:24:11.172 --> 00:24:13.174
  • And we talked about europe briefly, pastor allen
  • 00:24:13.174 --> 00:24:15.443
  • And jd vance's, very eloquent speech.
  • 00:24:15.443 --> 00:24:18.213
  • And he, speaking of cutting to the heart, i mean,
  • 00:24:18.213 --> 00:24:21.383
  • He cut right to the heart with those ultra secular,
  • 00:24:21.383 --> 00:24:24.085
  • Self-satisfied european bureaucratic types.
  • 00:24:24.085 --> 00:24:27.322
  • And when i think of europe, the gospel went out
  • 00:24:27.322 --> 00:24:29.925
  • From europe for centuries.
  • 00:24:29.925 --> 00:24:31.826
  • And now the gospel, look, i mean,
  • 00:24:31.826 --> 00:24:33.695
  • In britain there are more mosques than churches,
  • 00:24:33.695 --> 00:24:35.931
  • If i'm not mistaken.
  • 00:24:35.931 --> 00:24:36.898
  • The numbers are astounding.
  • 00:24:36.898 --> 00:24:38.700
  • Do you think part of that is maybe the europeans.
  • 00:24:38.700 --> 00:24:41.770
  • Highly educated, highly prosperous societies,
  • 00:24:41.770 --> 00:24:45.407
  • Is it more a case of they're valuing intellect
  • 00:24:45.407 --> 00:24:48.243
  • And the natural, they're too smart, they're too advanced
  • 00:24:48.243 --> 00:24:52.013
  • For that juvenile, spiritual, supernatural stuff.
  • 00:24:52.013 --> 00:24:55.850
  • And even in america, i think we see that.
  • 00:24:55.850 --> 00:24:57.953
  • But do you think there is a sense of
  • 00:24:57.953 --> 00:24:59.788
  • That sometimes, there's almost this arrogance that, well,
  • 00:24:59.788 --> 00:25:02.857
  • That stuff, "the god stuff," quote unquote,
  • 00:25:02.857 --> 00:25:05.260
  • That's yesterday's news.
  • 00:25:05.260 --> 00:25:06.428
  • That's old wives tales, fairy tales.
  • 00:25:06.428 --> 00:25:09.064
  • Is that one of the problems we have here in the west?
  • 00:25:09.064 --> 00:25:11.199
  • And as you mentioned earlier, allen, maybe part of
  • 00:25:11.199 --> 00:25:13.535
  • That goes back to our prosperity
  • 00:25:13.535 --> 00:25:15.971
  • And we forget to acknowledge the god
  • 00:25:15.971 --> 00:25:17.572
  • Who made that prosperity possible.
  • 00:25:17.572 --> 00:25:19.975
  • - no, i think your analysis is spot on.
  • 00:25:19.975 --> 00:25:22.510
  • I would add to that, i think the spirit of antichrist
  • 00:25:23.578 --> 00:25:26.414
  • Is so prevalent, you know,
  • 00:25:26.414 --> 00:25:28.350
  • Before we see the individual of the antichrist on the stage
  • 00:25:28.350 --> 00:25:30.919
  • Of human history, that spirit is good, prevalent
  • 00:25:30.919 --> 00:25:33.355
  • And gaining prominence in the earth.
  • 00:25:33.355 --> 00:25:35.490
  • And you see it, it hates the name of jesus.
  • 00:25:35.490 --> 00:25:38.026
  • It hates the purposes of the gospel.
  • 00:25:38.026 --> 00:25:40.161
  • It diminishes them, it mocks them,
  • 00:25:40.161 --> 00:25:41.863
  • Just as you were describing.
  • 00:25:41.863 --> 00:25:43.365
  • And rather to think of it in terms of only geopolitical
  • 00:25:43.365 --> 00:25:46.534
  • Or economic or academic,
  • 00:25:46.534 --> 00:25:48.370
  • I think if those of us in the church recognize
  • 00:25:48.370 --> 00:25:51.072
  • The spirit behind it and then the courage it takes
  • 00:25:51.072 --> 00:25:54.709
  • For vice president vance to go into the lion's den
  • 00:25:54.709 --> 00:25:58.079
  • And tell the truth.
  • 00:25:58.079 --> 00:25:59.614
  • I've been a bit embarrassed honestly since the election
  • 00:25:59.614 --> 00:26:01.983
  • That we have elected political officials,
  • 00:26:01.983 --> 00:26:04.419
  • Who many in the church say are very
  • 00:26:04.419 --> 00:26:05.787
  • Secular, and we don't sure we like their lifestyle.
  • 00:26:05.787 --> 00:26:08.556
  • They're telling more truth than most
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  • Of our pulpits.
  • 00:26:10.625 --> 00:26:11.860
  • When the president stands up
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  • And says there's only two genders
  • 00:26:12.927 --> 00:26:14.963
  • And i'm thinking, "oh, i wish the pastors have
  • 00:26:14.963 --> 00:26:16.831
  • Been saying that for months or years."
  • 00:26:16.831 --> 00:26:19.067
  • Or that marriage is between a man and a woman.
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  • Or keep the guys out of the women's sports.
  • 00:26:21.136 --> 00:26:23.672
  • And i think, okay, church,
  • 00:26:23.672 --> 00:26:26.641
  • We gotta at least have the courage
  • 00:26:26.641 --> 00:26:28.443
  • Of the people whose lifestyles we've been criticizing.
  • 00:26:28.443 --> 00:26:31.246
  • And maybe we'll see that.
  • 00:26:31.246 --> 00:26:32.747
  • And i thought jd vance did that beautifully in europe.
  • 00:26:32.747 --> 00:26:36.084
  • He challenged, from my seat as a pastor, the spirit
  • 00:26:36.084 --> 00:26:39.421
  • Of antichrist, he said, "you're shutting down free speech.
  • 00:26:39.421 --> 00:26:43.191
  • You're intolerant of people who disagree
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  • With you while you tell us you're tolerant."
  • 00:26:45.193 --> 00:26:47.495
  • He called out the deception, the manipulation,
  • 00:26:47.495 --> 00:26:50.198
  • The lies, the domination.
  • 00:26:50.198 --> 00:26:52.400
  • That's the church's role.
  • 00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:53.668
  • - yeah. amazing.
  • 00:26:53.668 --> 00:26:55.437
  • Yeah, it's interesting, and you make a great point allen,
  • 00:26:55.437 --> 00:26:57.739
  • I think of certain podcasters
  • 00:26:57.739 --> 00:26:59.541
  • And different personalities
  • 00:26:59.541 --> 00:27:00.842
  • Who were talking about these issues
  • 00:27:00.842 --> 00:27:03.078
  • And the church is silent on it.
  • 00:27:03.078 --> 00:27:04.412
  • Hopefully they provoke us to jealousy
  • 00:27:04.412 --> 00:27:07.015
  • And it gives a more of a backbone to the church.
  • 00:27:07.015 --> 00:27:09.951
  • I can't believe i'm saying that,
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  • But i think it's true folks.
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  • "angels, demons and you," yes you.
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  • Pastor allen, of course, is also senior pastor
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  • Of world outreach church in murfreesboro, tennessee,
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  • A great town.
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  • Jesus and the supernatural, i mean, from walking on water
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  • To the resurrection, we can go on and on
  • 00:27:53.328 --> 00:27:55.563
  • And you dig into it in the book.
  • 00:27:55.563 --> 00:27:57.699
  • And it's interesting to me, allen,
  • 00:27:57.699 --> 00:27:58.933
  • When christians doubt the supernatural
  • 00:27:58.933 --> 00:28:01.202
  • Or they say, "well, you know,
  • 00:28:01.202 --> 00:28:02.637
  • We can't get too deep into that."
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  • Jesus was all about the supernatural, the resurrection,
  • 00:28:05.607 --> 00:28:08.643
  • We can go on and on.
  • 00:28:08.643 --> 00:28:10.111
  • Talk about that.
  • 00:28:10.111 --> 00:28:11.246
  • Talk about jesus and the supernatural
  • 00:28:11.246 --> 00:28:13.314
  • And casting out demons.
  • 00:28:13.314 --> 00:28:14.783
  • I mean, the list goes on, yet we still doubt today.
  • 00:28:14.783 --> 00:28:18.119
  • - we do.
  • 00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:19.254
  • Well i think you alluded to it earlier,
  • 00:28:20.088 --> 00:28:22.423
  • And i began my academic career in the basic sciences.
  • 00:28:22.423 --> 00:28:24.993
  • So i like science. my dad was a veterinarian.
  • 00:28:24.993 --> 00:28:27.195
  • I like equations that balance, i'm logic.
  • 00:28:27.195 --> 00:28:30.365
  • - well, all that stuff works for me.
  • 00:28:31.132 --> 00:28:32.400
  • But we've been given five physical senses
  • 00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:34.736
  • That we engage the world with, and they're important,
  • 00:28:34.736 --> 00:28:38.640
  • They're wonderful, they're amazing, but they're limited,
  • 00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:41.142
  • And we understand that.
  • 00:28:41.142 --> 00:28:42.744
  • We understand dogs can hear a range of sounds that we can't,
  • 00:28:42.744 --> 00:28:44.979
  • Or that some other animals have vision that we don't have,
  • 00:28:44.979 --> 00:28:48.183
  • So our physical senses have limits.
  • 00:28:48.183 --> 00:28:49.984
  • We can't see a virus or a bacteria,
  • 00:28:49.984 --> 00:28:52.086
  • But we know they influence us.
  • 00:28:52.086 --> 00:28:54.022
  • When they told us there was a virus coming our way
  • 00:28:54.022 --> 00:28:56.224
  • From wuhan, china, we changed our whole lives,
  • 00:28:56.224 --> 00:28:58.793
  • We blew up our country.
  • 00:28:58.793 --> 00:29:00.295
  • We couldn't see it, we could just see an impact of it.
  • 00:29:00.295 --> 00:29:02.463
  • - [host] yeah.
  • 00:29:02.463 --> 00:29:03.865
  • - well, spiritual forces are every bit as real.
  • 00:29:03.865 --> 00:29:05.366
  • Bible tells us that our material, physical world,
  • 00:29:05.366 --> 00:29:08.002
  • The earth of matter and space
  • 00:29:08.002 --> 00:29:10.405
  • Came into existence because of spiritual realities.
  • 00:29:10.405 --> 00:29:13.441
  • In the beginning, god created the heavens and the earth.
  • 00:29:13.441 --> 00:29:16.311
  • So those spiritual forces are every bit as real,
  • 00:29:16.311 --> 00:29:18.313
  • And we're spiritual beings.
  • 00:29:18.313 --> 00:29:19.614
  • Your spirit and my spirit, it's eternal.
  • 00:29:19.614 --> 00:29:21.149
  • My body is on a countdown clock, but my spirit is eternal.
  • 00:29:21.149 --> 00:29:25.753
  • So it's the most naive approach to our faith
  • 00:29:25.753 --> 00:29:29.524
  • To try to separate the spiritual realities.
  • 00:29:29.524 --> 00:29:32.460
  • Why would you trust god with eternity,
  • 00:29:32.460 --> 00:29:34.796
  • If you can't trust him to make an impact in your day to day?
  • 00:29:34.796 --> 00:29:37.599
  • That's illogical to me.
  • 00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:39.500
  • So again, i'm not trying to be weird.
  • 00:29:39.500 --> 00:29:40.969
  • If my car's out of gas- - i know.
  • 00:29:40.969 --> 00:29:42.704
  • - i don't need to hear a prophetic word.
  • 00:29:42.704 --> 00:29:46.040
  • I need a filling station and some cash.
  • 00:29:46.040 --> 00:29:48.977
  • You know, if i'm trying to merge on the interstate
  • 00:29:48.977 --> 00:29:50.778
  • Here in dallas, god help us all.
  • 00:29:50.778 --> 00:29:52.814
  • I don't pray for divine direction.
  • 00:29:52.814 --> 00:29:54.782
  • I have to look and then use my signal.
  • 00:29:54.782 --> 00:29:57.452
  • - yeah.
  • 00:29:57.452 --> 00:29:58.753
  • - so i don't want us to be so hyper spiritual
  • 00:29:58.753 --> 00:30:01.389
  • That we lose our grounding with reality.
  • 00:30:01.389 --> 00:30:03.191
  • - and that's a key point. - but i wanna add to that
  • 00:30:03.191 --> 00:30:06.394
  • Spiritual influences, and i think christians get off track.
  • 00:30:06.394 --> 00:30:08.796
  • We go to the doctor and we're asking god for a miracle.
  • 00:30:08.796 --> 00:30:11.532
  • And maybe we have one and we see them
  • 00:30:11.532 --> 00:30:13.134
  • With a lot of regularity. - yeah.
  • 00:30:13.134 --> 00:30:15.203
  • - but it's not fair to ask the hospital staff
  • 00:30:15.203 --> 00:30:17.705
  • To acknowledge the miracle.
  • 00:30:17.705 --> 00:30:19.440
  • They have to turn in their diagnostic report
  • 00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:21.342
  • And their evaluation to an insurance company.
  • 00:30:21.342 --> 00:30:23.144
  • And they don't have a box that says supernatural event.
  • 00:30:23.144 --> 00:30:26.748
  • So you're asking them to say something
  • 00:30:26.748 --> 00:30:28.750
  • That the person they're reporting to won't understand.
  • 00:30:28.750 --> 00:30:31.586
  • And we keep demanding of the secular culture,
  • 00:30:32.520 --> 00:30:35.290
  • That they acknowledge our spiritual belief.
  • 00:30:35.290 --> 00:30:39.060
  • And i think that's the backwards approach.
  • 00:30:39.060 --> 00:30:40.762
  • Let's continue to confront them so regularly
  • 00:30:40.762 --> 00:30:43.364
  • With evidence of the power of god
  • 00:30:43.364 --> 00:30:45.233
  • That they put a box on their sheet.
  • 00:30:45.233 --> 00:30:47.268
  • But let them come to that conclusion deductively
  • 00:30:47.268 --> 00:30:49.570
  • And stop being mad at them or using language that's so weird
  • 00:30:49.570 --> 00:30:52.840
  • They don't understand what you're talking about.
  • 00:30:52.840 --> 00:30:55.343
  • You know, we gotta live in the world, but not be of it.
  • 00:30:55.343 --> 00:30:58.012
  • But let's not forget that the foundations of who we are
  • 00:30:58.012 --> 00:31:01.582
  • And what's been done for us is spiritual.
  • 00:31:01.582 --> 00:31:03.685
  • It's not because we join the right congregation
  • 00:31:03.685 --> 00:31:05.720
  • Or we follow the best person on television, whatever.
  • 00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:09.924
  • There's a spiritual force that has rewritten our life
  • 00:31:09.924 --> 00:31:12.660
  • In time and for all eternity.
  • 00:31:12.660 --> 00:31:14.762
  • And i'm asking the lord to help me see
  • 00:31:14.762 --> 00:31:17.899
  • And understand and hear
  • 00:31:17.899 --> 00:31:19.667
  • More than i've ever seen or understood before.
  • 00:31:19.667 --> 00:31:21.803
  • - amen, i believe we live in prophetic times
  • 00:31:21.803 --> 00:31:24.138
  • And we've talked about the intensification, allen,
  • 00:31:24.138 --> 00:31:26.774
  • Of spiritual warfare, of course,
  • 00:31:26.774 --> 00:31:28.276
  • And you talk about it in "angels, demons & you."
  • 00:31:28.276 --> 00:31:30.411
  • But do you see perhaps a greater amount of miracles,
  • 00:31:30.411 --> 00:31:34.082
  • Maybe the miraculous will also intensify in these days?
  • 00:31:34.082 --> 00:31:37.986
  • Is there a chance of that where clearly this was god
  • 00:31:37.986 --> 00:31:41.956
  • And it will be undeniable even for non-believers
  • 00:31:41.956 --> 00:31:44.692
  • That god is moving and miraculous things are unfolding?
  • 00:31:44.692 --> 00:31:48.129
  • - absolutely, 100%.
  • 00:31:48.129 --> 00:31:50.465
  • But i think if we go back and read our gospels,
  • 00:31:50.465 --> 00:31:53.034
  • We've been reading through john,
  • 00:31:53.034 --> 00:31:54.369
  • We do a reading plan together.
  • 00:31:54.369 --> 00:31:56.437
  • You know, the man that was born blind,
  • 00:31:56.437 --> 00:31:58.940
  • I mean, he was well known in the city of jerusalem.
  • 00:31:58.940 --> 00:32:01.142
  • And yet when his eyes are opened,
  • 00:32:01.142 --> 00:32:02.643
  • There's not universal approval of what happened.
  • 00:32:02.643 --> 00:32:05.780
  • There's a debate.
  • 00:32:05.780 --> 00:32:06.681
  • What happened? who did it?
  • 00:32:06.681 --> 00:32:08.316
  • Who's to blame? - yeah.
  • 00:32:08.316 --> 00:32:09.784
  • - we're not going to agree with that.
  • 00:32:09.784 --> 00:32:11.819
  • A couple chapters later is lazarus.
  • 00:32:11.819 --> 00:32:14.655
  • Jesus purposely waits for lazarus to die.
  • 00:32:14.655 --> 00:32:17.458
  • - [host] yeah.
  • 00:32:17.458 --> 00:32:18.760
  • - jesus, the moment he heard the message,
  • 00:32:18.760 --> 00:32:20.595
  • He could have said, "be healed," and he would've been healed
  • 00:32:20.595 --> 00:32:22.563
  • Like he did with the centurion servant.
  • 00:32:22.563 --> 00:32:24.565
  • He purposely waits, lazarus dies.
  • 00:32:24.565 --> 00:32:27.235
  • He's poking his finger,
  • 00:32:27.235 --> 00:32:28.936
  • He's poking the bear in jerusalem.
  • 00:32:28.936 --> 00:32:31.105
  • Lazarus been buried four days.
  • 00:32:31.105 --> 00:32:33.307
  • I mean, martha says,
  • 00:32:33.307 --> 00:32:34.942
  • "you know, he smells." - yeah, yeah.
  • 00:32:34.942 --> 00:32:36.978
  • - and then they say, "we've gotta kill lazarus too,
  • 00:32:36.978 --> 00:32:39.013
  • 'cause we can't let this miracle walk around."
  • 00:32:39.013 --> 00:32:41.649
  • But the city didn't all agree.
  • 00:32:41.649 --> 00:32:43.851
  • And we've been waiting for everybody
  • 00:32:43.851 --> 00:32:45.820
  • To acknowledge our miracles.
  • 00:32:45.820 --> 00:32:47.355
  • There's a man in our church. we do a podcast every week.
  • 00:32:47.355 --> 00:32:49.924
  • - yeah. - and so we've been
  • 00:32:49.924 --> 00:32:51.059
  • Doing podcasts with miracle stories.
  • 00:32:51.059 --> 00:32:52.760
  • The man went to the heart doctor for a routine,
  • 00:32:52.760 --> 00:32:55.096
  • Before he got to the doctor's office, he collapsed.
  • 00:32:55.096 --> 00:32:57.999
  • He was gone for 30 minutes,
  • 00:32:57.999 --> 00:32:59.333
  • Took him 30 minutes to get his heart started.
  • 00:32:59.333 --> 00:33:01.869
  • That's dead.
  • 00:33:01.869 --> 00:33:03.137
  • I was there when the doctor came through
  • 00:33:03.137 --> 00:33:04.839
  • And said, "you know, we've got his heart resuscitated,
  • 00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:06.741
  • But he's gone too long.
  • 00:33:06.741 --> 00:33:08.242
  • He's gonna be in a coma for several days. we'll see.
  • 00:33:09.310 --> 00:33:11.546
  • But you should have no expectations."
  • 00:33:11.546 --> 00:33:13.448
  • - yeah. - he's a twin.
  • 00:33:13.448 --> 00:33:15.283
  • - wow. - when they woke him up
  • 00:33:15.917 --> 00:33:17.452
  • Four days later, they asked him a question and he answered,
  • 00:33:17.452 --> 00:33:19.353
  • And his brother said,
  • 00:33:19.353 --> 00:33:20.888
  • "he's as dumb as he was when he got sick, let's go home."
  • 00:33:20.888 --> 00:33:22.957
  • (host laughing)
  • 00:33:22.957 --> 00:33:24.926
  • I mean, it's a miracle by any definition.
  • 00:33:24.926 --> 00:33:26.861
  • The emts call him lazarus. - wow.
  • 00:33:26.861 --> 00:33:29.197
  • - and each day he passes out...
  • 00:33:29.197 --> 00:33:30.865
  • - bulletins in our church every week.
  • 00:33:31.666 --> 00:33:32.667
  • You know, people say, i don't believe in miracle,
  • 00:33:33.668 --> 00:33:34.802
  • I don't care if you believe or not.
  • 00:33:34.802 --> 00:33:36.337
  • You know, brad arnold, the lead singer for three doors down
  • 00:33:36.337 --> 00:33:40.041
  • Came and sat down with me.
  • 00:33:40.608 --> 00:33:42.376
  • He was at the end of, he said, " i lost any reason to live."
  • 00:33:42.376 --> 00:33:46.180
  • He's on a tour in japan. he's calling back to the states.
  • 00:33:46.180 --> 00:33:49.383
  • Nobody's answering his call,
  • 00:33:49.383 --> 00:33:50.518
  • Charlie daniels answers the phone.
  • 00:33:50.518 --> 00:33:52.753
  • And charlie said, do you love your wife? and he said, "yes."
  • 00:33:52.753 --> 00:33:55.089
  • He said, "why are you killing her husband?"
  • 00:33:55.089 --> 00:33:57.658
  • He said, "you need to get home and get your life together."
  • 00:33:57.658 --> 00:34:00.261
  • Brad did, he came home, he got his faith back in place.
  • 00:34:00.261 --> 00:34:03.264
  • He'd grown up with the christian faith.
  • 00:34:03.264 --> 00:34:05.466
  • Now, at his concerts, rock concerts, i watched the video,
  • 00:34:05.466 --> 00:34:08.603
  • Madison square garden.
  • 00:34:08.603 --> 00:34:10.171
  • In the most gentle, humble way, he's taking his faith
  • 00:34:10.171 --> 00:34:13.875
  • And sharing it with those audiences that came
  • 00:34:13.875 --> 00:34:15.676
  • To hear three doors down play.
  • 00:34:15.676 --> 00:34:17.078
  • - wow, and that clip went viral, by the way.
  • 00:34:17.078 --> 00:34:18.679
  • - it did. - it did.
  • 00:34:18.679 --> 00:34:20.114
  • - there are miracles every day, i sit with them.
  • 00:34:20.114 --> 00:34:23.017
  • God is moving in the earth, now, we have to decide
  • 00:34:23.017 --> 00:34:25.219
  • If we believe, you know, who are we gonna be in that crowd?
  • 00:34:25.219 --> 00:34:28.389
  • Are we gonna be the one that goes, i don't know
  • 00:34:28.389 --> 00:34:29.891
  • If that guy was really blind or not.
  • 00:34:29.891 --> 00:34:31.859
  • You know, maybe lazarus just had a fever.
  • 00:34:31.859 --> 00:34:34.128
  • Or are we gonna say, no, i'm gonna give god credit for that?
  • 00:34:34.128 --> 00:34:37.665
  • I wanna be voting that god is moving in the earth,
  • 00:34:38.699 --> 00:34:41.035
  • There's no question, i know you see it all the time.
  • 00:34:41.035 --> 00:34:43.004
  • - amen, and firsthand, folks, the book
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  • Pastor allen, a subject we talk about,
  • 00:35:03.191 --> 00:35:04.592
  • You just mentioned jerusalem, and a subject you
  • 00:35:04.592 --> 00:35:06.594
  • And i both talk about a bunch on our shows, obviously,
  • 00:35:06.594 --> 00:35:08.963
  • Is israel.
  • 00:35:08.963 --> 00:35:10.298
  • When i think of the supernatural, i think
  • 00:35:10.298 --> 00:35:11.933
  • Of the miraculous,
  • 00:35:11.933 --> 00:35:13.267
  • Israel is the land of miracles, a place near and dear
  • 00:35:13.267 --> 00:35:16.971
  • To both of our hearts, of course.
  • 00:35:16.971 --> 00:35:19.340
  • How will god move in the days to come in israel?
  • 00:35:19.340 --> 00:35:23.177
  • How will israel be one way, as god continues
  • 00:35:23.177 --> 00:35:25.746
  • To reveal himself to the world,
  • 00:35:25.746 --> 00:35:27.582
  • How will israel be one way in which he does that
  • 00:35:27.582 --> 00:35:31.085
  • In the supernatural, in the miraculous, and much more?
  • 00:35:31.085 --> 00:35:34.722
  • - yeah, you're right, i wish, i wish we could walk down
  • 00:35:35.856 --> 00:35:37.024
  • To aroma when we finish our interview.
  • 00:35:37.024 --> 00:35:38.459
  • - oh, i know, and we'll do it, hey, next year,
  • 00:35:38.459 --> 00:35:40.928
  • This year in jerusalem, hopefully, we'll do it together
  • 00:35:40.928 --> 00:35:42.830
  • - in due time. - yeah.
  • 00:35:42.830 --> 00:35:44.999
  • - well, i think, i don't think you can understand
  • 00:35:44.999 --> 00:35:47.335
  • The scripture or the unfolding purposes of god
  • 00:35:47.335 --> 00:35:50.271
  • Without understanding the jewish people
  • 00:35:50.271 --> 00:35:51.739
  • And the nation of israel. - yeah.
  • 00:35:51.739 --> 00:35:54.075
  • - and it doesn't mean they're perfect,
  • 00:35:54.075 --> 00:35:56.711
  • All the sins you can find in nashville,
  • 00:35:56.711 --> 00:35:58.713
  • You can find in jerusalem.
  • 00:35:58.713 --> 00:36:00.281
  • But there's no question god chose the jewish people
  • 00:36:01.349 --> 00:36:04.552
  • And that the nation of israel is his idea.
  • 00:36:04.552 --> 00:36:07.255
  • And so i think, as we watch what's happening,
  • 00:36:07.255 --> 00:36:09.457
  • I always feel like, when i visit the land of israel,
  • 00:36:09.457 --> 00:36:12.760
  • That i'm reminded so much of my own responsibilities.
  • 00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:16.163
  • They live in a very difficult neighborhood,
  • 00:36:17.031 --> 00:36:18.966
  • As you know they like to say, and tremendous pressure
  • 00:36:18.966 --> 00:36:22.003
  • And great sacrifices to be there,
  • 00:36:22.003 --> 00:36:24.272
  • When their kids graduate high school,
  • 00:36:24.272 --> 00:36:25.573
  • They all go serve in the military.
  • 00:36:25.573 --> 00:36:27.174
  • And the frontlines for them are real threats, they're not.
  • 00:36:27.174 --> 00:36:30.344
  • And we've watched the horror that they've had
  • 00:36:31.279 --> 00:36:32.880
  • To live through right now, but, and yet god sustains them.
  • 00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:36.384
  • And again, talking about this new breeze
  • 00:36:36.384 --> 00:36:38.452
  • Or this fresh light that we see, the conversation
  • 00:36:38.452 --> 00:36:41.889
  • Has changed around israel in the last few weeks.
  • 00:36:41.889 --> 00:36:44.925
  • I mean, what mr. trump had to say about gaza.
  • 00:36:44.925 --> 00:36:47.461
  • When you heard it, there was so much truth in it,
  • 00:36:47.461 --> 00:36:49.530
  • It brought a clarity to something that
  • 00:36:49.530 --> 00:36:51.165
  • Had been confusing.
  • 00:36:51.165 --> 00:36:52.433
  • - [interviewer] yes.
  • 00:36:52.433 --> 00:36:53.601
  • - he said, why would we keep doing
  • 00:36:53.601 --> 00:36:54.635
  • What hasn't worked for 70 years?
  • 00:36:54.635 --> 00:36:56.504
  • - yeah, and allen, i thought that too.
  • 00:36:56.504 --> 00:36:57.938
  • Why hasn't someone suggested this already?
  • 00:36:57.938 --> 00:37:00.708
  • It's just so common sense.
  • 00:37:00.708 --> 00:37:02.810
  • But finally, it takes one man
  • 00:37:02.810 --> 00:37:03.978
  • To cut through the clutter and-
  • 00:37:03.978 --> 00:37:05.513
  • - well, again, and it's coming from somebody that,
  • 00:37:05.513 --> 00:37:06.947
  • You know, we've kind of put secular labels on.
  • 00:37:06.947 --> 00:37:09.483
  • - yeah. - it's humbling.
  • 00:37:09.483 --> 00:37:11.319
  • I'm like, all right, all of us spiritual people,
  • 00:37:11.319 --> 00:37:13.120
  • All of us bible readers, and now it's the orange man
  • 00:37:13.120 --> 00:37:17.491
  • Speaking truth that none of us had the courage to speak,
  • 00:37:17.491 --> 00:37:20.194
  • And i was proud of him and humbled myself.
  • 00:37:20.194 --> 00:37:23.798
  • And i think we will see in the weeks to come,
  • 00:37:23.798 --> 00:37:26.701
  • The larger narrative around israel will change almost
  • 00:37:26.701 --> 00:37:29.570
  • As dramatically as the narrative around gaza.
  • 00:37:29.570 --> 00:37:31.339
  • - [interviewer] yeah.
  • 00:37:31.339 --> 00:37:32.840
  • - i don't think it's gonna be easier for them.
  • 00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:34.709
  • It's been an extraordinarily difficult time.
  • 00:37:34.709 --> 00:37:37.278
  • - yeah.
  • 00:37:37.278 --> 00:37:38.746
  • - and at the end of the day, they're gonna have
  • 00:37:38.746 --> 00:37:39.914
  • To reconcile the relationship with jesus.
  • 00:37:39.914 --> 00:37:42.616
  • - [interviewer] yeah.
  • 00:37:42.616 --> 00:37:44.385
  • - but in the meantime, i will be their friends
  • 00:37:44.385 --> 00:37:46.687
  • And stand with them. - amen.
  • 00:37:46.687 --> 00:37:48.255
  • - and use my voice as a affirming voice
  • 00:37:48.255 --> 00:37:51.559
  • For them in the earth. - yeah.
  • 00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:53.394
  • - it's one of the great honors of my life.
  • 00:37:53.394 --> 00:37:55.663
  • And i know you have a passion for israel,
  • 00:37:55.663 --> 00:37:57.698
  • I've enjoyed so much watching what you do there, so-
  • 00:37:57.698 --> 00:37:59.867
  • - [interviewer] thank you, and you too.
  • 00:37:59.867 --> 00:38:01.435
  • - but there's no doubt that that dialogue's being shifted.
  • 00:38:01.435 --> 00:38:03.170
  • - oh yeah.
  • 00:38:03.170 --> 00:38:04.772
  • - and again, i wanna say, how do you watch what's happening
  • 00:38:04.772 --> 00:38:06.907
  • In the earth, in our nation, in israel, in europe,
  • 00:38:06.907 --> 00:38:10.111
  • I think we're gonna see it in other nations as well.
  • 00:38:11.145 --> 00:38:13.214
  • We're gonna see the war in ukraine come to a conclusion,
  • 00:38:13.214 --> 00:38:16.016
  • A million people have died.
  • 00:38:16.016 --> 00:38:17.752
  • - a million, in only three years.
  • 00:38:18.486 --> 00:38:20.321
  • - let's stop the political, a million people have died,
  • 00:38:20.321 --> 00:38:23.290
  • A whole culture's been turned on its ear.
  • 00:38:23.290 --> 00:38:25.259
  • - [interviewer] yeah.
  • 00:38:25.259 --> 00:38:26.394
  • - yes, stopping that is a good thing.
  • 00:38:26.394 --> 00:38:29.263
  • I mean, and all of the-
  • 00:38:29.764 --> 00:38:30.431
  • - this is in play.
  • 00:38:30.865 --> 00:38:31.799
  • God is moving in the earth.
  • 00:38:31.799 --> 00:38:32.967
  • Now let's go move with him.
  • 00:38:32.967 --> 00:38:34.769
  • - yeah. - let's find out,
  • 00:38:34.769 --> 00:38:35.669
  • In our little communities.
  • 00:38:35.669 --> 00:38:37.238
  • Stop saying, "god, send me as an ambassador."
  • 00:38:37.238 --> 00:38:39.306
  • He sent you as an ambassador to your community.
  • 00:38:39.306 --> 00:38:42.443
  • Let's let it disrupt our lives and our relationships
  • 00:38:42.443 --> 00:38:44.779
  • As much as mike let it disrupt his,
  • 00:38:44.779 --> 00:38:47.148
  • And our little towns will start to change.
  • 00:38:47.148 --> 00:38:49.116
  • - yes. - i'm excited about that.
  • 00:38:49.116 --> 00:38:51.051
  • - yeah, i love that point you make
  • 00:38:51.051 --> 00:38:52.453
  • Frequently on "allen jackson now."
  • 00:38:52.453 --> 00:38:54.255
  • It starts with us in our community,
  • 00:38:54.255 --> 00:38:55.890
  • And you hammer that home, allen,
  • 00:38:55.890 --> 00:38:57.024
  • Every night on the show, really.
  • 00:38:57.024 --> 00:38:59.059
  • We can talk about the broader
  • 00:38:59.059 --> 00:39:00.594
  • Kind of macro level geopolitical,
  • 00:39:00.594 --> 00:39:02.496
  • But it starts in our backyard,
  • 00:39:02.496 --> 00:39:04.031
  • Our friends, family, coworkers, neighbors.
  • 00:39:04.031 --> 00:39:07.535
  • That's where we start as ambassadors right here at home.
  • 00:39:07.535 --> 00:39:10.871
  • The prophetic chess pieces,
  • 00:39:11.472 --> 00:39:13.007
  • I think moving on the board,
  • 00:39:13.007 --> 00:39:14.909
  • Israel at the center of that, it seems no doubt.
  • 00:39:14.909 --> 00:39:17.945
  • Why such intensity?
  • 00:39:17.945 --> 00:39:19.513
  • At times in israel, you can feel the heaviness, i think.
  • 00:39:19.513 --> 00:39:24.118
  • Why such intense spiritual warfare over the land of israel
  • 00:39:24.118 --> 00:39:29.457
  • And the jewish people, as we see antisemitism
  • 00:39:30.391 --> 00:39:31.258
  • Rising around the world as well?
  • 00:39:31.258 --> 00:39:32.927
  • - right.
  • 00:39:32.927 --> 00:39:34.061
  • Well, i think it has to do with the nature of evil.
  • 00:39:35.062 --> 00:39:37.965
  • You know, as i understand it biblically
  • 00:39:37.965 --> 00:39:39.567
  • And from my limited life experience,
  • 00:39:39.567 --> 00:39:42.002
  • You know, evil never relents.
  • 00:39:42.636 --> 00:39:44.839
  • So my question is, what are you and i doing?
  • 00:39:44.839 --> 00:39:50.044
  • That brings me some hope
  • 00:39:50.544 --> 00:39:51.979
  • 'cause when you see something that's clearly evil,
  • 00:39:51.979 --> 00:39:53.481
  • You think, well, they're gonna play it so far.
  • 00:39:53.481 --> 00:39:55.549
  • - yes. - and when you watch that
  • 00:39:55.549 --> 00:39:58.152
  • In israel, the intensity of what hamas did was so abhorrent.
  • 00:39:58.152 --> 00:40:02.256
  • - yeah. - it was beyond human.
  • 00:40:02.256 --> 00:40:04.291
  • I mean, what they did to people and families,
  • 00:40:05.226 --> 00:40:08.028
  • But it was so reprehensible that now
  • 00:40:08.829 --> 00:40:12.766
  • The response to that is gonna change the equation.
  • 00:40:12.766 --> 00:40:16.003
  • - yes, they signed their own death warrant-
  • 00:40:16.003 --> 00:40:17.705
  • - they did. - i believe.
  • 00:40:17.705 --> 00:40:18.906
  • And allen, you make a great point.
  • 00:40:18.906 --> 00:40:20.407
  • It's an evil that is relentless.
  • 00:40:20.407 --> 00:40:23.477
  • I mean, no matter how hard israel hits them,
  • 00:40:23.477 --> 00:40:25.012
  • They seem to keep coming and coming
  • 00:40:25.012 --> 00:40:26.647
  • Because that's their only rationale for being
  • 00:40:26.647 --> 00:40:28.315
  • Is to kill, maim and murder.
  • 00:40:28.315 --> 00:40:29.683
  • That's who they are. it's demonic.
  • 00:40:29.683 --> 00:40:32.119
  • - well, it's not rational. - yeah.
  • 00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:34.388
  • - it's a spiritual force.
  • 00:40:34.388 --> 00:40:36.724
  • And the devil isn't going to repent.
  • 00:40:36.724 --> 00:40:39.059
  • All the way to the end of the age until he's bound
  • 00:40:40.094 --> 00:40:43.163
  • And finally addressed,
  • 00:40:43.163 --> 00:40:45.566
  • He will continue to oppose the purposes of god
  • 00:40:45.566 --> 00:40:48.769
  • And we're just the 21st century edition of that.
  • 00:40:48.769 --> 00:40:51.939
  • We got a bible filled with the prelude to that,
  • 00:40:51.939 --> 00:40:55.309
  • Then if the lord tarries, there'll be
  • 00:40:55.309 --> 00:40:57.077
  • Those that follow us.
  • 00:40:57.077 --> 00:40:58.245
  • He isn't going to change his objective.
  • 00:40:58.245 --> 00:41:00.548
  • He hates the purposes of god,
  • 00:41:00.548 --> 00:41:03.250
  • And because god loves human beings, he hates us,
  • 00:41:03.250 --> 00:41:06.387
  • So he comes to steal, to kill and destroy,
  • 00:41:06.387 --> 00:41:09.223
  • And you better have a plan for that
  • 00:41:09.223 --> 00:41:11.725
  • Because saying, "i don't believe in evil,"
  • 00:41:11.725 --> 00:41:13.494
  • Doesn't protect you. - right.
  • 00:41:13.494 --> 00:41:15.362
  • - it's like saying, "i don't believe in fat."
  • 00:41:15.362 --> 00:41:17.097
  • That can't help me if i keep shoveling dessert
  • 00:41:17.097 --> 00:41:19.133
  • In my mouth, which i like to do.
  • 00:41:19.133 --> 00:41:20.868
  • (erick laughing)
  • 00:41:20.868 --> 00:41:21.869
  • So, denying it isn't helpful,
  • 00:41:21.869 --> 00:41:25.205
  • But we don't have to be frightened by it.
  • 00:41:25.205 --> 00:41:28.042
  • The one that's with us, as you said,
  • 00:41:28.042 --> 00:41:29.510
  • Is greater than the force that's against us,
  • 00:41:29.510 --> 00:41:32.112
  • And if we will live in that awareness
  • 00:41:32.112 --> 00:41:33.847
  • And let that grow in us, we're not flippant or casual.
  • 00:41:33.847 --> 00:41:37.318
  • We still do all the things, we will armor up.
  • 00:41:37.318 --> 00:41:39.653
  • We will watch what we listen to and think about
  • 00:41:39.653 --> 00:41:43.724
  • And learn to take every thought captive.
  • 00:41:43.724 --> 00:41:45.960
  • - which is so difficult at times
  • 00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:47.761
  • In this day and age with social media
  • 00:41:47.761 --> 00:41:50.030
  • And 1,000 different media options,
  • 00:41:50.030 --> 00:41:53.300
  • Even for believers at times.
  • 00:41:53.300 --> 00:41:55.035
  • - well, yes, it is not something that we master.
  • 00:41:55.035 --> 00:41:59.573
  • - yeah. - i'm not a kid anymore,
  • 00:41:59.573 --> 00:42:02.509
  • And you wanna believe that when you get to my point in life,
  • 00:42:02.509 --> 00:42:04.845
  • You know, you've got all your spiritual disciplines
  • 00:42:04.845 --> 00:42:06.780
  • So buttoned up that there's no challenge.
  • 00:42:06.780 --> 00:42:09.149
  • What a bunch of baloney. - yeah.
  • 00:42:09.149 --> 00:42:11.285
  • - i have to guard my thoughts, i have to watch my words.
  • 00:42:11.285 --> 00:42:15.155
  • I have to be sure i keep really short emotional accounts.
  • 00:42:15.155 --> 00:42:18.759
  • You can't let that stuff build up
  • 00:42:18.759 --> 00:42:20.961
  • And i think if we would just come back
  • 00:42:21.795 --> 00:42:23.197
  • To those simple fundamentals- - yeah.
  • 00:42:23.197 --> 00:42:25.833
  • - we would gain some spiritual health.
  • 00:42:25.833 --> 00:42:27.768
  • The diet industry is a billion dollar thing.
  • 00:42:27.768 --> 00:42:31.171
  • I laughed, i told my wife i was gonna write a diet book,
  • 00:42:32.306 --> 00:42:34.041
  • The chocolate diet. (erick laughing)
  • 00:42:34.041 --> 00:42:35.909
  • You can eat all the chocolates you want
  • 00:42:35.909 --> 00:42:37.244
  • And you'll lose weight.
  • 00:42:37.244 --> 00:42:38.779
  • We'll sell 1,000, we'll sell 100,000 books-
  • 00:42:38.779 --> 00:42:40.314
  • - [erick] i would buy your book.
  • 00:42:40.314 --> 00:42:42.282
  • - before they find out it doesn't work,
  • 00:42:42.282 --> 00:42:43.884
  • And you know, so what?
  • 00:42:43.884 --> 00:42:45.653
  • It's not that we don't know
  • 00:42:45.653 --> 00:42:46.754
  • We need to move more and eat less,
  • 00:42:46.754 --> 00:42:48.822
  • But we're looking for the cream, the potion, the pill.
  • 00:42:48.822 --> 00:42:51.859
  • - the quick fix. - the belt.
  • 00:42:51.859 --> 00:42:53.060
  • - yeah, yeah. - and we're doing that
  • 00:42:53.060 --> 00:42:54.194
  • In the church. - yeah.
  • 00:42:54.194 --> 00:42:55.596
  • - let's go back to church.
  • 00:42:55.596 --> 00:42:58.465
  • Let's just go back with one another.
  • 00:42:59.233 --> 00:43:00.868
  • Let's get our bibles out.
  • 00:43:00.868 --> 00:43:02.002
  • Let's pray with our families again.
  • 00:43:02.002 --> 00:43:04.705
  • Let's stop accommodating ungodliness,
  • 00:43:04.705 --> 00:43:07.741
  • Even it's your kid, i understand they're your children.
  • 00:43:07.741 --> 00:43:11.045
  • Tell 'em the truth.
  • 00:43:11.045 --> 00:43:12.746
  • That's an awkward thing.
  • 00:43:12.746 --> 00:43:13.681
  • It's gonna disrupt thanksgiving,
  • 00:43:13.681 --> 00:43:15.883
  • But it will bring you a better future.
  • 00:43:15.883 --> 00:43:18.218
  • I think if we'll do those simple things,
  • 00:43:19.086 --> 00:43:20.521
  • We'll get healthier spiritually.
  • 00:43:20.521 --> 00:43:22.322
  • God is moving, i just wanna go with him.
  • 00:43:22.322 --> 00:43:24.024
  • - oh, yeah. - i just wanna go with him.
  • 00:43:24.024 --> 00:43:25.893
  • - [erick] i think most christians today,
  • 00:43:25.893 --> 00:43:27.294
  • I don't wanna say most, but many don't realize.
  • 00:43:27.294 --> 00:43:30.764
  • - perhaps the moment we're in this, this is a move of god,
  • 00:43:31.932 --> 00:43:33.834
  • As you said, big things and big opportunities
  • 00:43:33.834 --> 00:43:36.737
  • To advance the kingdom.
  • 00:43:36.737 --> 00:43:39.907
  • - yeah, if you have any awareness,
  • 00:43:40.674 --> 00:43:42.276
  • The narrative in israel has changed.
  • 00:43:42.276 --> 00:43:43.944
  • - yes. - wars in the world
  • 00:43:43.944 --> 00:43:45.746
  • Are being addressed.
  • 00:43:45.746 --> 00:43:47.114
  • Our economy, the fraud and waste in our government
  • 00:43:47.114 --> 00:43:50.484
  • Has been so prevalent,
  • 00:43:50.484 --> 00:43:51.785
  • It's difficult to get your brain around.
  • 00:43:51.785 --> 00:43:53.987
  • - yeah. - how do you
  • 00:43:53.987 --> 00:43:54.822
  • Misplace $4 trillion?
  • 00:43:54.822 --> 00:43:58.358
  • - [erick] and you talk about this
  • 00:43:58.358 --> 00:43:59.293
  • A bunch on "allen jackson now."
  • 00:43:59.293 --> 00:44:00.894
  • - and all of that's being brought into the light.
  • 00:44:00.894 --> 00:44:03.497
  • It's being pushed into the public square
  • 00:44:03.497 --> 00:44:05.632
  • And we are like the people in jerusalem
  • 00:44:05.632 --> 00:44:07.367
  • Arguing about the man born blind.
  • 00:44:07.367 --> 00:44:08.669
  • "well, i'm not sure i believe it.
  • 00:44:08.669 --> 00:44:10.270
  • I know his parents, ask them."
  • 00:44:10.270 --> 00:44:12.106
  • - very true. - and it's because
  • 00:44:12.106 --> 00:44:13.941
  • They wouldn't acknowledge the truth
  • 00:44:13.941 --> 00:44:15.542
  • Because they didn't wanna be identified
  • 00:44:15.542 --> 00:44:17.311
  • And lose some position.
  • 00:44:17.311 --> 00:44:19.413
  • - yes. - some opportunity.
  • 00:44:19.413 --> 00:44:21.849
  • And i see that happening amongst us today.
  • 00:44:21.849 --> 00:44:24.184
  • It's like, yeah, that probably was money
  • 00:44:24.184 --> 00:44:26.086
  • We shouldn't have spent and maybe we shouldn't kill
  • 00:44:26.086 --> 00:44:28.288
  • Another million people in ukraine,
  • 00:44:28.288 --> 00:44:29.723
  • And maybe billions of more dollars
  • 00:44:29.723 --> 00:44:31.992
  • To the people in gaza is not a good idea.
  • 00:44:31.992 --> 00:44:34.294
  • Yeah, no kidding.
  • 00:44:34.294 --> 00:44:35.963
  • But we don't wanna say it out loud
  • 00:44:35.963 --> 00:44:37.664
  • Because we don't wanna be identified with
  • 00:44:37.664 --> 00:44:39.233
  • A political party.
  • 00:44:39.233 --> 00:44:40.100
  • - yes. - it's not a political thing.
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  • God is moving and i wanna be
  • 00:44:41.902 --> 00:44:44.171
  • Identified with god. - it's right or wrong.
  • 00:44:44.171 --> 00:44:45.472
  • Yeah. - whatever that takes, i'm in.
  • 00:44:45.472 --> 00:44:47.641
  • - amen, i wanna be where he is,
  • 00:44:47.641 --> 00:44:49.143
  • Whatever he has his hand on, i wanna be a part of that.
  • 00:44:49.143 --> 00:44:52.579
  • - that's our life goal. - yes.
  • 00:44:52.579 --> 00:44:54.081
  • - why else did we do this?
  • 00:44:54.081 --> 00:44:55.849
  • - tell us more about the book, and again, folks,
  • 00:44:55.849 --> 00:44:57.518
  • We're at the national religious broadcasters convention,
  • 00:44:57.518 --> 00:44:59.787
  • Nrb, annual great gathering
  • 00:44:59.787 --> 00:45:01.855
  • Of religious broadcasters in dallas, texas this year,
  • 00:45:01.855 --> 00:45:04.925
  • But many times it's in allen jackson's hometown,
  • 00:45:04.925 --> 00:45:07.060
  • Nashville, tennessee.
  • 00:45:07.060 --> 00:45:08.462
  • We're with pastor allen jackson,
  • 00:45:08.462 --> 00:45:09.797
  • Host of "allen jackson now,"
  • 00:45:09.797 --> 00:45:11.231
  • Right here on tbn every weeknight 7:00 pm eastern time,
  • 00:45:11.231 --> 00:45:14.268
  • Back-to-back with "stakelbeck tonight."
  • 00:45:14.268 --> 00:45:16.170
  • And the book is called "angels, demons & you."
  • 00:45:16.170 --> 00:45:18.372
  • You see the qr code there on your screen.
  • 00:45:18.372 --> 00:45:20.140
  • You can pre-order it right now.
  • 00:45:20.140 --> 00:45:22.242
  • Before we wrap up, final thoughts, pastor allen.
  • 00:45:22.242 --> 00:45:24.845
  • "angels, demons & you,"
  • 00:45:24.845 --> 00:45:26.680
  • It's such a fascinating and timely book.
  • 00:45:26.680 --> 00:45:29.783
  • As you're writing, you've written many books
  • 00:45:29.783 --> 00:45:31.819
  • As you're writing, you're researching,
  • 00:45:31.819 --> 00:45:34.188
  • This one in particular,
  • 00:45:34.188 --> 00:45:36.390
  • What jumps out at you in the process?
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  • Any kind of aha moments,
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  • And anything in particular you want us to know
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  • About the book before we go out and pick it up?
  • 00:45:44.865 --> 00:45:47.701
  • - well, i'm a pretty simple guy,
  • 00:45:47.701 --> 00:45:49.670
  • So i think the message is that the spiritual realm
  • 00:45:49.670 --> 00:45:52.773
  • Is just as real as anything we know in our material world.
  • 00:45:52.773 --> 00:45:56.777
  • It's really an invitation to living a dimensional life,
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  • A multi-dimensional life.
  • 00:46:00.414 --> 00:46:02.449
  • We're not just physical people, we don't just have finances.
  • 00:46:02.449 --> 00:46:05.352
  • We're a spirit and we're engaged with a spiritual reality,
  • 00:46:05.352 --> 00:46:08.755
  • And if you're not on a daily basis living with a plan
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  • That addresses that so that you're gaining
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  • Strength spiritually and diminishing the influences
  • 00:46:13.794 --> 00:46:16.930
  • Of evil in your life, you are being preyed upon
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  • Because denying evil doesn't remove it from your arena.
  • 00:46:20.601 --> 00:46:24.204
  • So the book is really intended to be an encouragement.
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  • It's not frightening.
  • 00:46:27.040 --> 00:46:28.775
  • I think if you're walking through a difficult season,
  • 00:46:28.775 --> 00:46:30.577
  • Grab a copy, read it.
  • 00:46:30.577 --> 00:46:31.712
  • I believe the lord will lead you.
  • 00:46:31.712 --> 00:46:33.847
  • At the end of the day, i trust the spirit of god to lead us.
  • 00:46:33.847 --> 00:46:36.283
  • You know, you and i can study and prep
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  • And do all of our stuff,
  • 00:46:37.851 --> 00:46:39.620
  • But one idea from god changes the whole trajectory
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  • Of our lives and we both have experienced it repeatedly,
  • 00:46:42.055 --> 00:46:44.958
  • And i wrote the book to help people have those moments
  • 00:46:44.958 --> 00:46:47.728
  • Where god changes the narrative.
  • 00:46:47.728 --> 00:46:49.229
  • - yeah, and i think a lot of times people are unaware
  • 00:46:49.229 --> 00:46:51.965
  • Of the spiritual battles, the supernatural.
  • 00:46:51.965 --> 00:46:53.700
  • I think with the book of amos,
  • 00:46:53.700 --> 00:46:54.968
  • "my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge."
  • 00:46:54.968 --> 00:46:58.639
  • And pastor allen, that's why i think the book
  • 00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:00.674
  • Is so important.
  • 00:47:00.674 --> 00:47:02.376
  • Do you think people maybe
  • 00:47:02.376 --> 00:47:04.278
  • Underestimate the intensity of this?
  • 00:47:04.278 --> 00:47:07.147
  • We go about our daily lives, and like you said,
  • 00:47:07.147 --> 00:47:09.149
  • We don't want to hyperspiritualize
  • 00:47:09.149 --> 00:47:11.084
  • It, so to speak,
  • 00:47:11.084 --> 00:47:12.319
  • But i think the intensity on one hand of, i hate to say it,
  • 00:47:12.319 --> 00:47:16.456
  • The hatred that the devil, his demons have for us,
  • 00:47:16.456 --> 00:47:19.793
  • But on the other hand, the intensity of the love
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  • God has for us and the role that angels play in our lives,
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  • As you say in the book, as guardians and messengers.
  • 00:47:25.165 --> 00:47:28.035
  • We've got a friend, we've got a friend in jesus,
  • 00:47:28.035 --> 00:47:29.803
  • And we've got his advocates here on earth
  • 00:47:29.803 --> 00:47:31.872
  • All around us, even though we can't see them.
  • 00:47:31.872 --> 00:47:34.074
  • - yeah, i think our attitude towards god
  • 00:47:34.074 --> 00:47:35.742
  • Has grown too casual and we treat him
  • 00:47:35.742 --> 00:47:38.979
  • More like a benevolent uncle
  • 00:47:38.979 --> 00:47:40.714
  • And we've lost the respect that he deserves.
  • 00:47:41.648 --> 00:47:45.319
  • One of the things i loved about science
  • 00:47:46.186 --> 00:47:47.487
  • Is there's a precision to it.
  • 00:47:47.487 --> 00:47:49.256
  • The orbit of the earth around the sun.
  • 00:47:49.256 --> 00:47:50.857
  • I mean, you can calculate whatever.
  • 00:47:50.857 --> 00:47:53.560
  • Elon musk can do all these things in space
  • 00:47:53.560 --> 00:47:55.495
  • Because of the precision of our world.
  • 00:47:55.495 --> 00:47:57.664
  • Well, the spiritual realm is not sloppy.
  • 00:47:57.664 --> 00:48:00.267
  • It's every bit as precise.
  • 00:48:00.267 --> 00:48:02.369
  • And what i find is, we'll say, you know,
  • 00:48:02.369 --> 00:48:03.537
  • "i know what the bible says,
  • 00:48:03.537 --> 00:48:04.805
  • But let me tell you what i think."
  • 00:48:04.805 --> 00:48:06.707
  • Well, i like people, i listen to their thoughts,
  • 00:48:06.707 --> 00:48:08.875
  • But at the end of the day,
  • 00:48:08.875 --> 00:48:10.110
  • What i think doesn't change who god is,
  • 00:48:10.110 --> 00:48:12.512
  • And so what i wanna learn to do is comply
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  • With the instructions i've been given.
  • 00:48:15.382 --> 00:48:17.818
  • I wanna yield to the king.
  • 00:48:17.818 --> 00:48:19.720
  • I wanna cooperate.
  • 00:48:19.720 --> 00:48:21.755
  • I'm grateful he gave me a mind
  • 00:48:22.389 --> 00:48:23.857
  • And i can think and a will and i can choose,
  • 00:48:23.857 --> 00:48:26.493
  • But i wanna think about god and i wanna use my will.
  • 00:48:26.493 --> 00:48:29.629
  • - cooperate with him, and that's a full-time job for allen.
  • 00:48:30.731 --> 00:48:33.066
  • - [erick] no doubt.
  • 00:48:33.066 --> 00:48:34.534
  • - 'cause there's a little something in me that says,
  • 00:48:34.534 --> 00:48:35.836
  • "well, i think, and i feel, and i want..."
  • 00:48:35.836 --> 00:48:37.771
  • And i have to say to that old carnal part of me,
  • 00:48:37.771 --> 00:48:39.473
  • "you better shut up."
  • 00:48:39.473 --> 00:48:40.640
  • - [erick] yeah.
  • 00:48:40.640 --> 00:48:41.608
  • - 'cause i've made a decision
  • 00:48:41.608 --> 00:48:42.776
  • And i'm gonna cooperate with the king
  • 00:48:42.776 --> 00:48:44.511
  • And i'm gonna think his thoughts
  • 00:48:44.511 --> 00:48:46.646
  • And that's my daily assignment.
  • 00:48:46.646 --> 00:48:48.648
  • - [erick] yeah.
  • 00:48:48.648 --> 00:48:50.050
  • - and it's a joy to be able to be on that journey
  • 00:48:50.050 --> 00:48:51.518
  • And invite others and...
  • 00:48:51.518 --> 00:48:52.786
  • I'm so grateful for what you're doing,
  • 00:48:52.786 --> 00:48:54.187
  • And now we've added charlie kirk to the lineup.
  • 00:48:54.187 --> 00:48:56.023
  • - yes, we have.
  • 00:48:56.023 --> 00:48:57.290
  • I mean, that's an all-star team, folks.
  • 00:48:57.290 --> 00:48:59.326
  • That's an all-star lineup.
  • 00:48:59.326 --> 00:49:00.394
  • Charlie kirk at 6:30 pm eastern,
  • 00:49:00.394 --> 00:49:02.729
  • Pastor allen 7:00 pm eastern,
  • 00:49:02.729 --> 00:49:04.398
  • Yours truly at 7:30 pm eastern.
  • 00:49:04.398 --> 00:49:06.299
  • Hey, it's almost cliche, but for such a time as this,
  • 00:49:06.299 --> 00:49:09.369
  • Because so much is happening,
  • 00:49:09.369 --> 00:49:11.438
  • And all three programs are bringing current events and news
  • 00:49:11.438 --> 00:49:14.274
  • From a biblical perspective.
  • 00:49:14.274 --> 00:49:16.243
  • Pastor allen, as you've made clear
  • 00:49:16.243 --> 00:49:17.377
  • Throughout our conversation,
  • 00:49:17.377 --> 00:49:18.645
  • Without that biblical perspective,
  • 00:49:18.645 --> 00:49:20.747
  • You really can't make sense
  • 00:49:20.747 --> 00:49:22.549
  • Of what's going on around us right now.
  • 00:49:22.549 --> 00:49:24.518
  • - no. i think if you try to understand the world
  • 00:49:24.518 --> 00:49:26.019
  • In terms of only economics
  • 00:49:26.019 --> 00:49:27.254
  • Or geopolitical formation or ideologies,
  • 00:49:27.254 --> 00:49:31.091
  • It's difficult to understand.
  • 00:49:31.091 --> 00:49:32.659
  • Why wouldn't we all be celebrating
  • 00:49:32.659 --> 00:49:34.227
  • Saving billions of dollars in our nation?
  • 00:49:34.227 --> 00:49:36.530
  • You know, why wouldn't we be celebrating
  • 00:49:36.530 --> 00:49:38.732
  • The end of fighting in ukraine?
  • 00:49:38.732 --> 00:49:41.635
  • I mean, these aren't political issues.
  • 00:49:41.635 --> 00:49:43.103
  • These are people issues.
  • 00:49:43.103 --> 00:49:44.237
  • - [erick] yeah.
  • 00:49:44.237 --> 00:49:45.138
  • - but we're not, you know,
  • 00:49:45.138 --> 00:49:46.440
  • We're tearing at one another and the media,
  • 00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:47.974
  • Watch the news and you get completely different reports.
  • 00:49:47.974 --> 00:49:51.111
  • I don't think you can understand that
  • 00:49:51.111 --> 00:49:52.512
  • Without a spiritual window.
  • 00:49:52.512 --> 00:49:54.014
  • - [erick] no.
  • 00:49:54.014 --> 00:49:55.449
  • - and if you do, your explanation falls a little flat.
  • 00:49:55.449 --> 00:49:57.751
  • - yeah. - you gotta have
  • 00:49:57.751 --> 00:49:59.319
  • The courage to say the emperor doesn't have any clothes on.
  • 00:49:59.319 --> 00:50:00.087
  • - [erick] so true.
  • 00:50:00.087 --> 00:50:01.521
  • - we've been lying about that parade for way too long.
  • 00:50:01.521 --> 00:50:02.789
  • - yes, we have.
  • 00:50:02.789 --> 00:50:04.024
  • Hey, but not you,
  • 00:50:04.024 --> 00:50:05.292
  • "allen jackson now" 7:00 pm eastern every night.
  • 00:50:05.292 --> 00:50:06.960
  • The book is "angels demons & you".
  • 00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:09.129
  • Pastor allen before we go, we got about a minute left.
  • 00:50:09.129 --> 00:50:11.531
  • Can you take us out in prayer?
  • 00:50:11.531 --> 00:50:12.966
  • - i would be honored.
  • 00:50:12.966 --> 00:50:15.268
  • Let's pray.
  • 00:50:15.602 --> 00:50:17.037
  • Heavenly father, i thank you
  • 00:50:17.037 --> 00:50:19.206
  • That you are alive and well in planet earth,
  • 00:50:19.206 --> 00:50:22.642
  • That you have not abandoned us.
  • 00:50:22.642 --> 00:50:24.010
  • You haven't stepped away from us.
  • 00:50:24.010 --> 00:50:25.946
  • In fact, you have called us,
  • 00:50:25.946 --> 00:50:27.380
  • When you looked across the span of human history,
  • 00:50:27.380 --> 00:50:29.316
  • And all of time you called us
  • 00:50:29.316 --> 00:50:31.151
  • To this unique point in the 21st century
  • 00:50:31.151 --> 00:50:33.453
  • When your changes are breaking forth
  • 00:50:33.453 --> 00:50:35.922
  • In biblical proportions.
  • 00:50:35.922 --> 00:50:38.058
  • And now, i pray that you would give us understanding hearts,
  • 00:50:38.058 --> 00:50:40.760
  • Give us eyes to see, not just to sit in church,
  • 00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:43.630
  • Not just to be people with a bible,
  • 00:50:43.630 --> 00:50:45.966
  • Not just to be people with a personal testimony.
  • 00:50:45.966 --> 00:50:49.269
  • May we be men and women that you can trust
  • 00:50:49.269 --> 00:50:51.938
  • With your purposes in this season.
  • 00:50:51.938 --> 00:50:54.774
  • Forgive us for when we've been distracted.
  • 00:50:54.774 --> 00:50:57.210
  • Lord, i pray for those today that have great needs,
  • 00:50:57.210 --> 00:50:59.679
  • That have physical challenges and relational challenges,
  • 00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:02.616
  • And they're crying out to you with desperation,
  • 00:51:02.616 --> 00:51:05.385
  • And your power minister to them,
  • 00:51:05.385 --> 00:51:06.987
  • Bring life and wholeness and health.
  • 00:51:06.987 --> 00:51:09.289
  • I thank you that you're a god who delights in showing mercy
  • 00:51:09.289 --> 00:51:13.727
  • And we receive it today.
  • 00:51:13.727 --> 00:51:14.961
  • In jesus' name.
  • 00:51:14.961 --> 00:51:16.396
  • Amen. - amen.
  • 00:51:16.396 --> 00:51:17.697
  • Pastor allen jackson, thank you so much.
  • 00:51:17.697 --> 00:51:19.166
  • This was a blast.
  • 00:51:19.166 --> 00:51:20.700
  • First of all, we have to do it more often, my friend.
  • 00:51:20.700 --> 00:51:23.136
  • Second of all, the book is "angels, demons & you".
  • 00:51:23.136 --> 00:51:25.572
  • You can pre-order it right now.
  • 00:51:25.572 --> 00:51:26.907
  • You see the qr code there on your screen.
  • 00:51:26.907 --> 00:51:28.842
  • Be sure to watch every night monday through friday.
  • 00:51:28.842 --> 00:51:31.178
  • "allen jackson now" from the nrb convention at dallas-
  • 00:51:31.178 --> 00:51:35.348
  • - all these new kids trying to take over everything.
  • 00:51:35.348 --> 00:51:37.984
  • Always trying to take over.
  • 00:51:37.984 --> 00:51:39.186
  • - security (laughs).
  • 00:51:39.186 --> 00:51:40.520
  • - hi erick. - hey my friend.
  • 00:51:41.121 --> 00:51:42.689
  • You may know this gentleman.
  • 00:51:42.689 --> 00:51:44.424
  • - hey, buddy. - behind us.
  • 00:51:44.424 --> 00:51:45.392
  • - how are you?
  • 00:51:45.392 --> 00:51:46.693
  • - just stopped by.
  • 00:51:46.693 --> 00:51:47.994
  • - yes, what a way to go. what a way to go out.
  • 00:51:47.994 --> 00:51:50.363
  • - i'll see you next time. bye-bye.
  • 00:51:50.363 --> 00:51:52.032
  • - for "praise".
  • 00:51:52.032 --> 00:51:53.266
  • God bless for matt allen, all of us at tbn.
  • 00:51:53.266 --> 00:51:55.335
  • God bless you.
  • 00:51:55.335 --> 00:51:56.236
  • We'll see you again soon.
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  • (upbeat music)
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