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Praise | Allen Jackson At NRB | Praise | March 4, 2025
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- - [announcer] coming up, tonight on "praise".
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- - i think what we've been reminded of
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- In these last few weeks
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- Is that what's happening in americka influences the world.
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- If the light of the gospel in americka is burning brightly
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- If that biblical worldview in americka is radiating,
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- It brings light to other nations.
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- If the church here is silent or quiet or distracted
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- Or ambivalent or whatever,
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- It brings shadows over the rest of the world.
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- The church in this nation,
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- I believe has a divine responsibility
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- To take the freedom and liberty
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- And opportunities that we have,
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- And to turn that light up as brightly as we can.
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- It'll impact the whole world.
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- - [announcer] tonight on "praise" from dallas,
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- Senior pastor of world outreach church
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- Author and gifted speaker, pastor allen jackson.
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- And now your host, erick stakelbeck.
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- - welcome to "praise".
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- I'm erick stakelbeck and welcome to the nrb convention.
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- This is
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- The national religious broadcaster's annual convention.
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- We're in dallas, texas this year,
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- And with our very good friend, pastor allen jackson,
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- Host of course of "allen jackson now" right here on tbn,
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- Senior pastor of world outreach church
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- In murfreesboro, tennessee.
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- Allen, great to see you.
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- - it's good to be with you today, erick.
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- - it's great to be here.
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- And number one, you and i were saying,
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- Nrb is like a big family reunion.
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- We walk every two feet and we see someone we know.
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- - absolutely. - which is great.
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- And number two, hey, we are back to back on tbn,
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- Allen jackson now is doing great,
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- Right before "stakelbeck tonight".
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- We're back to back.
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- We're talking current events
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- From a biblical perspective for such a time as this,
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- And that's why we're talking about
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- Your brand new upcoming book, "angels demons & you"
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- Now, folks, march 16th,
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- It's available for presale right now.
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- You see the qr code there on your screen,
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- Pastor allen's latest bestseller.
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- And i said at the top, for such a time as this,
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- Pastor allen look, "angels, demons & you".
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- I know you feel this way, that's why you wrote the book.
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- But man, it seems we are in
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- A massive spiritual battle right now.
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- - oh, i think without question,
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- If we imagine what's happening is a political challenge
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- As the church, we're really missing the narrative.
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- - [erick] yeah.
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- - i think that's the part of the iceberg that we can see.
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- But i think beneath all of the elections
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- And the personalities, and even the policies
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- And executive orders, there's a spiritual conflict.
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- It's a worldview conflict.
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- And the church has to be awake to that, and use our voices
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- And be very intentional in taking our place.
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- So that's why we put the book together.
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- - yeah, no doubt.
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- And you and i were talking off camera
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- Before we started allen,
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- And we were talking a bit about gaza and hamas
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- And all that madness, we talked about angels, demons and us.
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- I can't think of a more fitting manifestation
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- Of the demonic, than hamas.
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- I mean, we're seeing so much demonic activity.
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- Clearly, people keep saying,
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- "wow, this is unspeakable evil."
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- But it's demonic evil, right?
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- - it is.
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- I know you've seen the videos of october 7th,
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- And you're familiar with the details
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- And there's no way to understand that
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- Apart from spiritual forces.
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- I think if you try to understand it in terms of economics
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- Or ideologies or religions,
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- It leaves a big gap in your understanding.
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- But if you include the biblical narrative
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- On spiritual forces, it's the puzzle pieces
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- That then help you understand what you're seeing.
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- - [erick] yeah.
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- - and then we know how to react and how to take our place,
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- And then we don't feel like we're victims.
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- We can actually be engaged
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- In what god's doing right now in the earth.
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- - yeah.
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- And you said at the top, allen,
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- If we just think this is on the natural,
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- If it's just a.
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- - a common, average political battle,
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- We're missing the larger point, right?
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- This is a literally a battle for the soul of us,
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- Each of us as individuals,
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- But as americans, a battle for the soul of this nation.
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- - well, without question,
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- And i think what we've been reminded of
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- In these last few weeks
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- Is that what's happening in america influences the world.
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- - [host] yeah. - if the light of the gospel
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- In america is burning brightly,
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- If that biblical worldview in america is radiating,
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- It brings light to other nations.
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- If the church here is silent or quiet or distracted
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- Or ambivalent or whatever. - [host] yeah.
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- - and that light is diminished,
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- It brings shadows over the rest of the world.
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- Now i know god's purposes will go forward
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- If america fails.
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- - [host] yeah.
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- - but while america exists,
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- The church in this nation,
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- I believe, has a divine responsibility.
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- - [host] yeah.
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- - to take the freedom and liberty
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- And opportunities that we have,
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- And to turn that light up as brightly as we can,
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- It'll impact the whole world.
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- - yeah, we have to be ambassadors for christ
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- And to whom much is given, much is required.
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- My thinking of america, pastor allen,
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- The most powerful nation in the history of the world,
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- Blessed so much by god almighty.
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- We can't fail in this mandate that he's given us.
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- Hey, you say in the book that there's much more
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- Beyond our five senses.
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- - [pastor allen] yes.
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- - in the spiritual realm.
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- Talk about that and also why this book now?
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- You've written so many bestselling books,
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- But this is so particularly timely to me
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- Because of the spiritual warfare we're engaged in.
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- What motivated you to write the book at this moment?
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- - well, i think to too large of an extent,
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- We live with a lack of awareness of the spiritual realm.
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- - [host] yeah.
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- - i think the messaging that comes
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- To us is principally secular
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- And it's so forceful and powerful and repetitive,
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- I think we tend to live only in that world.
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- - [host] yeah.
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- - and the bible,
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- Jesus came with a message that was fundamentally spiritual.
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- And if we're gonna be his friends and his followers,
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- We've got to be aware of that realm.
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- So it's really an attempt to say to people
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- That title "angels, demons & you".
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- - [host] yeah. - it's the "and you" part,
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- That's the most important.
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- We can do seminars ad nauseum about angels and demons,
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- And then act like,
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- Well, they're in africa or the middle east.
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- - right. - but it would be
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- Like writing a book on diet and exercise
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- And you. - [host] yeah.
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- - you know, i'm happy for somebody
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- To talk about diet and exercise,
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- And when they get the and me part into it,
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- I get a little uncomfortable.
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- And what i need everybody to imagine is
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- That spiritual forces influenced their life today.
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- - yeah.
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- - and we need a plan for that.
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- And it's not a frightening plan.
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- I'm more really interested in the angels
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- That are here to help us.
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- - [host] yeah. - that are sent forced
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- As ministering spirits.
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- You can't understand jesus' life
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- Through the gospels and his ministry,
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- Through the balance of the new testament,
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- Apart from the angels.
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- We're not gonna fulfill god's purpose for our lives
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- If we don't understand there are angels engaged with us
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- To see god's intents brought forth in the earth,
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- That strengthen us, empower us, bring us awareness.
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- - [host] yeah.
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- - and i think we've lived way beneath that awareness.
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- - yeah, and the book is actually very encouraging.
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- You said- - [pastor allen] i would hope.
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- - allen, you do.
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- You stress angels.
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- We have aids here in our walk here on earth
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- In this fallen world.
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- Hey, you mentioned the middle east and africa.
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- Why do you think here in the west,
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- It seems many times people have such a hard time
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- In accepting and wrapping their heads
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- - [host] yeah. - that are sent forced
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- People in the west say, "well, it's all just mumbo jumbo."
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- But we see intense warfare,
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- And we hear about god moving in africa,
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- The middle east in such a profound way.
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- Why in the west among many,
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- Does there seem to be that kind of blocker
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- When it comes to the things of the supernatural?
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- - yeah, that's a really important point.
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- I think the simple answer probably is what jesus said
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- To the rich young ruler after he declined the invitation.
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- And you know, he said, it's really hard
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- For those that are affluent
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- And have options. - wow.
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- - to see the kingdom. - yeah.
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- - and i think, you know,
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- If we're depressed or discouraged, we can go shopping.
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- - [host] yeah.
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- - or we can have some way to distract ourselves.
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- - [host] so true. - and our friends
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- That live in those other places in the world, much less so.
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- And they live really much closer,
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- I think, to the spiritual realm.
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- - [host] yeah. - and we're gonna have
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- To humble ourselves and come back
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- And really look at our bibles as if it matters.
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- We're gonna have to walk away for a little bit
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- From the smug certainty that i'm born again
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- And i'm baptized and there's nothing left to do.
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- - [host] right.
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- - i'm an advocate for conversion.
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- I believe in it, and baptism's important,
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- But then we gotta grow up in the lord.
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- - yes. - and we have so much,
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- We can afford to have a debate
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- On whether we believe in healing or not.
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- - [host] yeah. - you know,
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- Do you believe in medicine or healing?
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- Yes. - [host] yeah.
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- - but if you don't have access to doctors and medicine,
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- You only have one option.
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- - [host] right. - and so i think,
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- The american church needs to humble ourselves a bit.
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- - yeah.
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- - and get in the game.
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- The world needs us
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- To lead with some spiritual reality and awareness.
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- - yeah, it seems that this is part of our,
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- As believers, in our walk with the lord,
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- Even the refining and sanctification progress,
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- Maybe stretching us a bit
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- To understand the things of the supernatural.
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- Speaking of which, and again, the book is so encouraging.
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- Folks, if you're just joining us with our good friend,
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- Pastor allen jackson, host of allen jackson,
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- Now right here on tbn,
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- The book is called "angels, demons & you",
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- Available for presale right now it's-
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- - available nationwide march 16th,
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- But you can pre-order it right now.
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- You see the qr code there on your screen.
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- And this is, don't be intimidated by
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- The title "demons."
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- Oh my gosh, no. this book is profoundly encouraging.
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- And one reason is pastor allen breaks down
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- How angels are guardians, messengers.
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- Can you talk more about the angels in our lives
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- And in the things of the world?
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- I think of the prophet daniel and his conversations
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- Talk about the prince of persia and all the rest
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- And that spiritual warfare.
- 00:08:55.858 --> 00:08:57.460
- But allen, can you talk a bit more about the role of angels
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- In our everyday lives?
- 00:09:00.763 --> 00:09:02.465
- - yeah, well, i think the scripture
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- Really informs our imagination.
- 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:06.268
- You know, it tends to suggest
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- That a lot of times we're unaware
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- And we could even have angels in our presence,
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- Entertain them and not be aware of it.
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- And we hear those stories from time to time
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- That are really inexplicable,
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- Other than there was some spiritual being
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- That helped us through a place.
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- But then i think we really look past the strength.
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- You know, when they came to arrest jesus
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- And peter's ready to fight, we all know the story.
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- And jesus said, "listen, this isn't a power struggle.
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- I've got almost an unlimited number of angels
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- And we would carry the day, but i need to do this."
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- And when you get to the book of revelation, you know,
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- It sends an angel to john to give him this amazing insight.
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- And the end of the age is really a story
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- Of the angels engaging in human history
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- To let the purposes of god break forward.
- 00:09:47.410 --> 00:09:49.612
- Jesus told us that in the parable
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- Of the wheat and the tares.
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- You know, he said, "don't worry about the craziness
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- In the church and in the world."
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- He said, "at the end of the age,
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- The angels have a commission to sort it out."
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- Well, if god trusts the angels with his judgment
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- Of the earth at the end of the age, i think we need to learn
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- To trust them with the challenges that we have today.
- 00:10:07.463 --> 00:10:10.499
- And typically, i don't think we're aware of it.
- 00:10:10.499 --> 00:10:12.935
- You know, i grew up in the spiritual end of the church
- 00:10:12.935 --> 00:10:16.038
- Where all those things were in the portfolio.
- 00:10:16.038 --> 00:10:20.042
- And we tended to think that being weird made you spiritual
- 00:10:20.042 --> 00:10:22.445
- Or being spontaneous makes you spiritual.
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- I don't think so.
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- You know, the god of the bible
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- Knew the end at the beginning.
- 00:10:27.550 --> 00:10:29.485
- And so i think being intensely spiritual means
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- You might know what god's gonna do on thursday on tuesday.
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- So i don't always have to be pretending to be spontaneous
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- To keep my spiritual id card.
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- But i just think an awareness of spiritual things,
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- How to stay clean and unclean.
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- If we're gonna be healthy,
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- If we're gonna improve our health,
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- It means every time i sit down to a meal,
- 00:10:48.104 --> 00:10:49.538
- I have to think about that.
- 00:10:49.538 --> 00:10:51.240
- Every time i feel a little bit hungry,
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- I have to process that.
- 00:10:52.675 --> 00:10:54.043
- Well, if we're gonna stay spiritually healthy,
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- That's a decision that has to be processed
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- Dozens of times every day.
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- What i listen to, what i watch,
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- How i interact with my friends,
- 00:11:01.183 --> 00:11:02.985
- If i choose to humble myself or be arrogant.
- 00:11:02.985 --> 00:11:05.721
- Will i forgive or be angry and resentful?
- 00:11:05.721 --> 00:11:08.257
- All of those things contribute to my spiritual health.
- 00:11:08.257 --> 00:11:11.260
- It's too easy to blame a demon, you know, or the devil.
- 00:11:11.260 --> 00:11:14.897
- I mean, flip wilson-
- 00:11:14.897 --> 00:11:16.565
- - "the devil made me do it." - made a whole career out of,
- 00:11:16.565 --> 00:11:17.500
- "the devil made me do it."
- 00:11:17.500 --> 00:11:18.834
- And i'm not diminishing the devil. he's real.
- 00:11:18.834 --> 00:11:21.003
- But i think if we'll come back and begin to have a desire
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- To lead spiritually clean lives,
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- It changes the entire dynamic
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- And then we prepare ourselves as a vessel
- 00:11:29.745 --> 00:11:31.480
- That god can use in a far more profound way.
- 00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:34.650
- And we're just stopped, waiting for heaven.
- 00:11:34.650 --> 00:11:36.352
- - yeah. be holy as i am holy.
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- Do you think, speaking of the devil, allen,
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- Do you think that we maybe exaggerate,
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- Or many people say, "wow."
- 00:11:44.560 --> 00:11:46.362
- Many people give the devil more power
- 00:11:46.362 --> 00:11:48.831
- Than he really has, and demons as well.
- 00:11:48.831 --> 00:11:51.734
- He's not god. he's not on an equal par with god, obviously.
- 00:11:51.734 --> 00:11:54.904
- Do you think many people say, "oh wow, the devil,
- 00:11:54.904 --> 00:11:57.239
- He's this strong, overwhelming force."
- 00:11:57.239 --> 00:11:59.875
- But do you think maybe, and especially for believers,
- 00:11:59.875 --> 00:12:02.244
- Do we overstate his power and influence a bit?
- 00:12:02.244 --> 00:12:04.780
- He's very influential in a horrible way, obviously.
- 00:12:04.780 --> 00:12:07.082
- But can that be overstated,
- 00:12:07.082 --> 00:12:08.384
- Maybe sometimes people get hung up on that?
- 00:12:08.384 --> 00:12:10.820
- Well, i always try to remember
- 00:12:10.820 --> 00:12:12.221
- That it's not a power encounter, it's a truth encounter.
- 00:12:12.221 --> 00:12:15.391
- And if i understand the truth that's been given to me
- 00:12:15.391 --> 00:12:17.726
- And the place from which i'm standing and ministering,
- 00:12:17.726 --> 00:12:20.529
- Then it really isn't about power,
- 00:12:20.529 --> 00:12:22.531
- But sometimes i'm a little uncomfortable.
- 00:12:22.531 --> 00:12:25.034
- Jesus didn't mock the devil,
- 00:12:25.634 --> 00:12:27.736
- And i don't wanna do that either.
- 00:12:27.736 --> 00:12:29.572
- You know, he has diminished
- 00:12:29.572 --> 00:12:30.706
- All of our heroes without exception.
- 00:12:30.706 --> 00:12:34.176
- I mean, from abraham- - very true.
- 00:12:34.176 --> 00:12:35.778
- - to david to paul, i mean, he really diminished our heroes.
- 00:12:35.778 --> 00:12:40.983
- And so i don't treat him in a skeptical way.
- 00:12:41.884 --> 00:12:44.687
- You know, the notion that you have a respect
- 00:12:44.687 --> 00:12:48.057
- For the strength of an enemy. - yes.
- 00:12:48.057 --> 00:12:50.092
- - my father was a veterinarian. i grew up around horses.
- 00:12:50.092 --> 00:12:52.595
- - and as a boy, i was afraid of them,
- 00:12:52.595 --> 00:12:53.996
- But i learned not to be.
- 00:12:53.996 --> 00:12:55.664
- They just don't frighten me.
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- Big ones, mean ones, excited ones, i'm okay,
- 00:12:56.932 --> 00:12:59.168
- But i don't walk up behind a horse i don't know,
- 00:12:59.168 --> 00:13:00.903
- Jerk its tail and scream
- 00:13:00.903 --> 00:13:02.905
- Or i'd be going to the emergency room.
- 00:13:02.905 --> 00:13:04.740
- - [interviewer] exactly.
- 00:13:04.740 --> 00:13:05.741
- - it's not about respect or fear.
- 00:13:05.741 --> 00:13:07.042
- It's understanding the strength they have.
- 00:13:07.042 --> 00:13:09.778
- And so i acknowledge that satan and his kingdom
- 00:13:09.778 --> 00:13:13.082
- Are a formidable adversary.
- 00:13:13.082 --> 00:13:15.251
- - [interviewer] yes.
- 00:13:15.251 --> 00:13:16.385
- - because they crucified my lord.
- 00:13:16.385 --> 00:13:18.587
- - yeah.
- 00:13:18.587 --> 00:13:19.922
- - they inflicted enormous pain and suffering
- 00:13:19.922 --> 00:13:21.590
- On our friends through the new testament,
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- And we see it around us.
- 00:13:23.158 --> 00:13:24.860
- We weep for human suffering so it's wrong to mock it
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- Or to suggest that we have a panacea that delivers.
- 00:13:28.330 --> 00:13:30.199
- - just completely from the arena.
- 00:13:30.933 --> 00:13:31.600
- - [erick] yeah.
- 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:32.735
- - having said that, we have a truth
- 00:13:32.735 --> 00:13:34.403
- And we've been given a place where we can overcome...
- 00:13:34.403 --> 00:13:36.872
- - yes. - all the power of the enemy.
- 00:13:36.872 --> 00:13:38.641
- - [erick] we're more than conquerors.
- 00:13:38.641 --> 00:13:39.808
- - absolutely.
- 00:13:39.808 --> 00:13:40.609
- - through christ jesus.
- 00:13:40.609 --> 00:13:42.244
- Wow! - so in that combination,
- 00:13:42.244 --> 00:13:43.545
- Somehow we make our way through the...
- 00:13:43.545 --> 00:13:45.514
- - yeah.
- 00:13:45.514 --> 00:13:46.715
- Have the spirit of power and of love
- 00:13:46.715 --> 00:13:47.850
- And of a sound mind, not of fear.
- 00:13:47.850 --> 00:13:49.818
- That's kind of more where i was alluding to
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- Because as you said, pastor allen,
- 00:13:51.654 --> 00:13:53.489
- We need to have, i don't wanna use the word respect
- 00:13:53.489 --> 00:13:55.291
- When it comes to the enemy,
- 00:13:55.291 --> 00:13:56.825
- But a healthy acknowledgement, he's there and he's active
- 00:13:56.825 --> 00:13:59.328
- And he wants to destroy our lives.
- 00:13:59.328 --> 00:14:01.697
- Speaking of which i mentioned the prophet daniel
- 00:14:01.697 --> 00:14:03.632
- And some very interesting passages in the book of daniel,
- 00:14:03.632 --> 00:14:06.568
- In the unseen realm, which you talk about
- 00:14:06.568 --> 00:14:08.203
- In "angels, demons & you."
- 00:14:08.203 --> 00:14:09.738
- There really is a battle going on that we can't see
- 00:14:09.738 --> 00:14:12.341
- Behind the scenes
- 00:14:12.341 --> 00:14:13.676
- Between angelic and demonic forces, right?
- 00:14:13.676 --> 00:14:16.512
- - there is, you know, i probably have a greater sense
- 00:14:16.512 --> 00:14:19.481
- Of urgency today than i did
- 00:14:19.481 --> 00:14:21.317
- The first week of november before the election.
- 00:14:21.317 --> 00:14:23.886
- I don't think there's any question that god moved,
- 00:14:23.886 --> 00:14:25.688
- Stirred the hearts of people to raise their hands
- 00:14:25.688 --> 00:14:27.456
- And say we're going the wrong way.
- 00:14:27.456 --> 00:14:28.657
- - [erick] yeah.
- 00:14:28.657 --> 00:14:29.959
- - and so now we have this group of people
- 00:14:29.959 --> 00:14:31.193
- That have completely disrupted their lives
- 00:14:31.193 --> 00:14:32.461
- To go change policy.
- 00:14:32.461 --> 00:14:33.762
- - [erick] yeah.
- 00:14:33.762 --> 00:14:34.863
- - if we don't have a corresponding
- 00:14:34.863 --> 00:14:36.532
- Or maybe even greater change
- 00:14:36.532 --> 00:14:38.033
- In the hearts and behavior of the people of god,
- 00:14:38.033 --> 00:14:40.869
- I believe all the policies are temporary,
- 00:14:40.869 --> 00:14:42.805
- They'll be easily set aside.
- 00:14:42.805 --> 00:14:44.473
- - [erick] yep.
- 00:14:44.473 --> 00:14:46.041
- - we have to make the change, 'cause we're the foundation,
- 00:14:46.041 --> 00:14:47.576
- We're the spiritual influence.
- 00:14:47.576 --> 00:14:49.445
- - [erick] yes.
- 00:14:49.445 --> 00:14:50.713
- - those people that are sent to washington,
- 00:14:50.713 --> 00:14:51.981
- Are a reflection of the hearts of the people
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- In the heartland of america.
- 00:14:53.182 --> 00:14:54.550
- - yeah.
- 00:14:54.550 --> 00:14:55.951
- - so i'm trying to think of myself, our good friend,
- 00:14:55.951 --> 00:14:57.953
- Just by proximity on tbn with governor huckabee.
- 00:14:58.921 --> 00:15:01.790
- - of course. - you know, he got tagged
- 00:15:01.790 --> 00:15:03.092
- To be the ambassador to israel.
- 00:15:03.092 --> 00:15:04.626
- - [erick] yeah, great choice.
- 00:15:04.626 --> 00:15:06.061
- - and i couldn't agree more, i'm so happy for him.
- 00:15:06.061 --> 00:15:08.630
- But we were close enough to him
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- To see the disruption that brought.
- 00:15:09.965 --> 00:15:12.067
- He had a life in place, good thing going.
- 00:15:12.067 --> 00:15:14.470
- Had a daily program.
- 00:15:14.470 --> 00:15:15.838
- I mean, a lot of good things to do.
- 00:15:15.838 --> 00:15:17.339
- So it was financially disruptive.
- 00:15:17.339 --> 00:15:19.241
- His daughter's in the governor's mansion
- 00:15:19.241 --> 00:15:20.876
- In little rock with his grandkids.
- 00:15:20.876 --> 00:15:22.411
- He moved from florida back to arkansas.
- 00:15:22.411 --> 00:15:24.513
- - [erick] yeah.
- 00:15:24.513 --> 00:15:25.714
- - and now all of that's in the blender.
- 00:15:25.714 --> 00:15:27.249
- And he is gotta go tell his wife,
- 00:15:27.249 --> 00:15:28.550
- "we're moving 8,000 miles away to a city
- 00:15:28.550 --> 00:15:30.819
- That's under constant siege.
- 00:15:30.819 --> 00:15:32.988
- We're gonna forfeit some things economic."
- 00:15:32.988 --> 00:15:34.623
- All of that in order to take his place in a political.
- 00:15:34.623 --> 00:15:37.793
- So my question is, what are you and i doing?
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- What are the people listening to us doing
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- To make changes in our lives now,
- 00:15:42.097 --> 00:15:43.799
- To reflect saying to the lord,
- 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:45.701
- We have to move a different direction.
- 00:15:45.701 --> 00:15:47.836
- In our communities, our schools,
- 00:15:47.836 --> 00:15:50.139
- Have to get the trash outta the libraries.
- 00:15:50.139 --> 00:15:52.207
- We have to have the courage to tell the truth
- 00:15:52.207 --> 00:15:54.810
- About dei and crt in our churches.
- 00:15:54.810 --> 00:15:57.579
- - yes.
- 00:15:57.579 --> 00:15:58.814
- - are we willing to be change agents?
- 00:15:58.814 --> 00:16:00.215
- It's not a political battle, it's a spiritual battle.
- 00:16:00.215 --> 00:16:03.118
- And if the church still has a seminar
- 00:16:03.118 --> 00:16:05.254
- On whether or not we believe in angels and demons,
- 00:16:05.254 --> 00:16:07.890
- And we're not engaged, we are abandoning the arena
- 00:16:07.890 --> 00:16:10.793
- And we cannot do that.
- 00:16:10.793 --> 00:16:12.161
- - yeah.
- 00:16:12.161 --> 00:16:13.295
- Pastor allen, i love how you put it,
- 00:16:13.295 --> 00:16:14.696
- Because in your pulpit at world outreach church,
- 00:16:14.696 --> 00:16:16.999
- You're telling it like it is.
- 00:16:16.999 --> 00:16:18.267
- You're not mincing words, needless to say.
- 00:16:18.267 --> 00:16:20.436
- And i look at one issue, many issues,
- 00:16:20.436 --> 00:16:22.071
- But an issue in particular,
- 00:16:22.071 --> 00:16:23.539
- That i think kind of epitomizes the spiritual warfare.
- 00:16:23.539 --> 00:16:26.175
- They're coming after our children, quite literally.
- 00:16:26.175 --> 00:16:28.811
- And we see kids as young as 10 years old being mutilated,
- 00:16:28.811 --> 00:16:31.680
- Their genders, gender reassignment so-called.
- 00:16:31.680 --> 00:16:34.450
- This is from the pit of hell, it seems to me.
- 00:16:34.450 --> 00:16:37.252
- It seems to me that every pulpit in america
- 00:16:37.252 --> 00:16:39.121
- Should have been preaching about this on sundays.
- 00:16:39.121 --> 00:16:40.856
- I know you have addressed it many times.
- 00:16:40.856 --> 00:16:43.158
- But issues like that, you think the church,
- 00:16:43.158 --> 00:16:45.294
- In many ways has abdicated our position to be salt and light
- 00:16:45.294 --> 00:16:50.165
- And speaking out on issues that are so clearly evil.
- 00:16:50.165 --> 00:16:53.268
- And as you write about,
- 00:16:53.268 --> 00:16:54.703
- These are so clearly supernatural spiritual issues
- 00:16:54.703 --> 00:16:57.606
- To target our kids and try to change their gender.
- 00:16:57.606 --> 00:17:00.075
- This is madness.
- 00:17:00.075 --> 00:17:01.610
- And i felt like far too many pulpits were silent on this.
- 00:17:01.610 --> 00:17:04.880
- How do you see that?
- 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:06.148
- - well, i agree and i'm grateful for what you're doing
- 00:17:07.249 --> 00:17:10.219
- With your program and your voice in the media
- 00:17:10.219 --> 00:17:13.122
- Reminding the christian community,
- 00:17:13.122 --> 00:17:15.090
- You know, we are called to be the light of the world,
- 00:17:15.090 --> 00:17:18.026
- But i think rather than being the light,
- 00:17:18.026 --> 00:17:19.428
- We've become a light gospel.
- 00:17:19.428 --> 00:17:20.929
- - [erick] yeah.
- 00:17:20.929 --> 00:17:22.431
- - and we've been kind of hiding from some of those things.
- 00:17:22.431 --> 00:17:23.632
- - [erick] yeah.
- 00:17:23.632 --> 00:17:25.067
- - i understand why our churches are divided,
- 00:17:25.067 --> 00:17:27.035
- You know, for a whole host of reasons.
- 00:17:27.035 --> 00:17:29.138
- But i'm an advocate for the truth.
- 00:17:29.138 --> 00:17:30.672
- At the end of the day,
- 00:17:30.672 --> 00:17:32.007
- We have to be willing to tell the truth.
- 00:17:32.007 --> 00:17:34.576
- - [erick] yeah.
- 00:17:34.576 --> 00:17:35.878
- - and i think we've been a little bit co-opted
- 00:17:35.878 --> 00:17:37.179
- By this notion that the gospel should be kind.
- 00:17:37.179 --> 00:17:40.249
- You know, voddie baucham says
- 00:17:40.249 --> 00:17:41.550
- That kindness is not the 11th commandment.
- 00:17:41.550 --> 00:17:43.085
- And i agree with him.
- 00:17:43.085 --> 00:17:44.753
- - [erick] there's this timidity almost.
- 00:17:44.753 --> 00:17:46.421
- - yes.
- 00:17:46.421 --> 00:17:47.256
- - in some ways.
- 00:17:47.256 --> 00:17:48.557
- - well, the message i hear so often, is well,
- 00:17:48.557 --> 00:17:49.691
- "my assignment is to bring unity.
- 00:17:49.691 --> 00:17:51.126
- I wanna bring unity."
- 00:17:51.126 --> 00:17:52.461
- If i remember correctly, jesus said,
- 00:17:52.461 --> 00:17:53.996
- "i came to bring division."
- 00:17:53.996 --> 00:17:55.230
- - [erick] that's right.
- 00:17:55.230 --> 00:17:56.365
- - even into a household. - the sword.
- 00:17:56.365 --> 00:17:57.933
- - and we're gonna have to have the courage
- 00:17:58.834 --> 00:18:00.102
- To understand that the truth is divisive.
- 00:18:00.102 --> 00:18:01.970
- And if you go to the doctor, and the doctor's your friend,
- 00:18:01.970 --> 00:18:05.140
- And you only want him to give you good news.
- 00:18:05.140 --> 00:18:07.843
- That's not a good friend or a good doctor,
- 00:18:07.843 --> 00:18:09.645
- That's malpractice.
- 00:18:09.645 --> 00:18:11.246
- You need a doctor to tell you you're fat or your diet's bad,
- 00:18:11.246 --> 00:18:14.082
- Or you need to exercise more,
- 00:18:14.082 --> 00:18:15.684
- Or you've got a disease process we need to address.
- 00:18:15.684 --> 00:18:18.820
- That's the point of the engagement.
- 00:18:18.820 --> 00:18:20.622
- - yeah.
- 00:18:20.622 --> 00:18:21.590
- - and if you just go to church
- 00:18:21.590 --> 00:18:22.724
- Or you just engage with scripture
- 00:18:22.724 --> 00:18:23.892
- Or your faith to hear a happy message,
- 00:18:23.892 --> 00:18:26.461
- You know, i like to be happy, i'm good with that.
- 00:18:26.461 --> 00:18:28.297
- But we also.
- 00:18:28.297 --> 00:18:30.265
- - need to hear the truth.
- 00:18:30.832 --> 00:18:32.034
- On our watch, on our lifetime, - yes.
- 00:18:32.034 --> 00:18:34.236
- - we are witnessing one of the most precipitous declines
- 00:18:34.236 --> 00:18:36.638
- In christian influence in the history of the church.
- 00:18:36.638 --> 00:18:39.541
- I'm not stepping into eternity with that
- 00:18:39.541 --> 00:18:41.510
- On my resume casually.
- 00:18:41.510 --> 00:18:43.712
- I'll go kicking and screaming, - yes.
- 00:18:43.712 --> 00:18:45.781
- - doing everything in our power, as i know you are,
- 00:18:45.781 --> 00:18:48.317
- To tell the truth to our generation as plainly
- 00:18:48.317 --> 00:18:51.086
- And as concisely and with love and compassion as we can.
- 00:18:51.086 --> 00:18:55.257
- - yeah. amen.
- 00:18:55.257 --> 00:18:56.491
- Folks, if you like what you're hearing,
- 00:18:56.491 --> 00:18:57.893
- And i love what i'm hearing, there's much more of it,
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- Every night, monday through friday, 7:00 pm eastern time,
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- Right here on tbn, the show is called "allen jackson now".
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- 00:19:07.002 --> 00:19:09.204
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- 00:19:09.204 --> 00:19:11.406
- The dynamic duo, together here at the nrb convention
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- In dallas, texas, national religious broadcaster.
- 00:19:14.710 --> 00:19:18.146
- This is a great gathering.
- 00:19:18.146 --> 00:19:19.481
- We have a great tbn set here, as you see.
- 00:19:19.481 --> 00:19:21.483
- This is a great annual gathering of christian tv,
- 00:19:21.483 --> 00:19:25.254
- Radio, podcasters, christian media in general coming here.
- 00:19:25.254 --> 00:19:29.324
- And i think at this time in particular, pastor allen,
- 00:19:29.324 --> 00:19:32.294
- As you said, we've got a golden opportunity in this country.
- 00:19:32.294 --> 00:19:36.265
- I feel like god gave us a reprieve on november 5th,
- 00:19:36.265 --> 00:19:38.900
- A second chance,
- 00:19:38.900 --> 00:19:40.736
- And it seems like this is a chance we dare not squander.
- 00:19:40.736 --> 00:19:44.773
- - no, i don't think there's any question.
- 00:19:45.674 --> 00:19:47.776
- You know, the purpose,
- 00:19:47.776 --> 00:19:49.311
- We talk a lot about god being a god of grace and mercy,
- 00:19:49.311 --> 00:19:52.147
- But as i understand scripture,
- 00:19:52.147 --> 00:19:53.749
- The purpose of grace and mercy is to bring us to repentance.
- 00:19:53.749 --> 00:19:57.286
- - yeah. - it's not to just give us
- 00:19:57.286 --> 00:19:58.687
- Like in monopoly, a get out of jail free card.
- 00:19:58.687 --> 00:20:00.856
- - yeah. - and i think we saw
- 00:20:00.856 --> 00:20:02.524
- An expression of the grace and mercy of god
- 00:20:02.524 --> 00:20:04.693
- In the most improbable of times.
- 00:20:04.693 --> 00:20:07.095
- So now i think the response is
- 00:20:07.095 --> 00:20:08.730
- To bring god's people to repentance.
- 00:20:08.730 --> 00:20:11.266
- You know, not to look through the windows of our churches
- 00:20:11.266 --> 00:20:14.002
- And say, "those people are the problem."
- 00:20:14.002 --> 00:20:15.904
- - yeah. - we've gotta put our faces
- 00:20:15.904 --> 00:20:17.506
- On the ground and say,
- 00:20:17.506 --> 00:20:19.074
- "i've lived with a lack of awareness of spiritual things.
- 00:20:19.074 --> 00:20:21.310
- I thought we could outthink evil or outwork evil,
- 00:20:21.310 --> 00:20:23.445
- Or outorganize evil or..."
- 00:20:23.445 --> 00:20:25.681
- And in truth, we need to know the power of god
- 00:20:25.681 --> 00:20:28.216
- In a more personal way, a more transformative way.
- 00:20:28.216 --> 00:20:30.619
- Let's come back to the basics. - yeah.
- 00:20:30.619 --> 00:20:32.688
- - let's go back to church.
- 00:20:32.688 --> 00:20:34.189
- Let's go sit together again on the weekends.
- 00:20:34.189 --> 00:20:36.391
- I'm appreciative of technology and television
- 00:20:36.391 --> 00:20:38.827
- And livestream and all the digital, but we need community.
- 00:20:38.827 --> 00:20:42.998
- - exactly. - and let's go back
- 00:20:42.998 --> 00:20:44.833
- And read our bibles daily, systematically, cover to cover.
- 00:20:44.833 --> 00:20:48.603
- Let's start to pray for people in our sphere of influence
- 00:20:48.603 --> 00:20:51.773
- As if that's as normal as having a cup of coffee together.
- 00:20:51.773 --> 00:20:55.544
- - yeah. - let's do the simple,
- 00:20:55.544 --> 00:20:57.079
- Profound things that bring vitality to our faith,
- 00:20:57.079 --> 00:21:01.216
- And then let's watch what god will do.
- 00:21:01.216 --> 00:21:02.984
- - yeah. the show is "allen jackson now".
- 00:21:02.984 --> 00:21:05.020
- The book is "angels, demons & you",
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- Available for presale right now,
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- Hitting bookstores nationwide, amazon.com, come march 16th.
- 00:21:09.091 --> 00:21:12.627
- You can also find it on the world outreach church website,
- 00:21:12.627 --> 00:21:15.664
- Which you see right there along with the qr code.
- 00:21:15.664 --> 00:21:18.867
- We're talking about the supernatural, allen,
- 00:21:18.867 --> 00:21:21.002
- And talking about november 5th and the ramifications
- 00:21:21.002 --> 00:21:23.338
- Of that for america, really for the world.
- 00:21:23.338 --> 00:21:25.907
- Have you felt a shift in a spiritual sense?
- 00:21:25.907 --> 00:21:28.910
- To me, i really felt it july 13th in butler, pennsylvania,
- 00:21:28.910 --> 00:21:32.681
- When i believe it was, we talked about the supernatural.
- 00:21:32.681 --> 00:21:34.616
- It was miraculous, i believe.
- 00:21:34.616 --> 00:21:36.218
- Donald trump, at the last possible millisecond,
- 00:21:36.218 --> 00:21:38.920
- Turning his head and dodging that bullet.
- 00:21:38.920 --> 00:21:41.289
- It seemed like something shifted there,
- 00:21:41.289 --> 00:21:43.024
- Possibly in the supernatural realm.
- 00:21:43.024 --> 00:21:45.660
- And i think it's been full speed ahead since then
- 00:21:45.660 --> 00:21:47.829
- And god is moving, for sure.
- 00:21:47.829 --> 00:21:50.399
- Do you sense that shift? and we may see a trickle effect.
- 00:21:50.399 --> 00:21:53.769
- You and i were talking before the interview about jd vance,
- 00:21:53.769 --> 00:21:55.937
- His recent speech in munich to european leaders.
- 00:21:55.937 --> 00:21:58.473
- We were both very impressed by it.
- 00:21:58.473 --> 00:22:00.375
- Do you think this shift
- 00:22:00.375 --> 00:22:02.744
- That i think we're seeing in america could have kind
- 00:22:02.744 --> 00:22:05.213
- Of a trickle effect across the western world, god willing?
- 00:22:05.213 --> 00:22:09.151
- The secular western world,
- 00:22:09.151 --> 00:22:10.952
- Very secular. - right. no, no.
- 00:22:10.952 --> 00:22:13.255
- Well, the point of the gospel is
- 00:22:13.255 --> 00:22:14.489
- To impact the secular world,
- 00:22:14.489 --> 00:22:16.324
- But it comes when first, god's people are impacted,
- 00:22:16.324 --> 00:22:19.995
- And we've lost that.
- 00:22:19.995 --> 00:22:21.596
- Yeah, i think you're exactly right.
- 00:22:21.596 --> 00:22:23.565
- I think what we saw in butler, pa, i've had no visions,
- 00:22:23.565 --> 00:22:27.235
- I've had no supernatural affirmation.
- 00:22:27.235 --> 00:22:29.538
- But if you ask me to explain it,
- 00:22:29.538 --> 00:22:31.306
- I think an angel put his hands on the sides
- 00:22:31.306 --> 00:22:33.275
- Of mr. trump's head and turned it infinitesimally.
- 00:22:33.275 --> 00:22:37.345
- I mean, how else can you explain that?
- 00:22:37.345 --> 00:22:38.980
- If he walked peter out of prison
- 00:22:38.980 --> 00:22:40.449
- When he is awaiting his execution,
- 00:22:40.449 --> 00:22:42.684
- How else can you explain that?
- 00:22:42.684 --> 00:22:44.352
- - it was so improbable.
- 00:22:44.352 --> 00:22:45.754
- I mean, the last possible second he turns ahead,
- 00:22:45.754 --> 00:22:48.423
- It would've been, god forbid,
- 00:22:48.423 --> 00:22:49.691
- It would've been a direct shot
- 00:22:49.691 --> 00:22:50.859
- In the center of his forehead.
- 00:22:50.859 --> 00:22:52.794
- - and i then i think conversely,
- 00:22:52.794 --> 00:22:54.529
- How else do you explain all of these professionals
- 00:22:54.529 --> 00:22:56.565
- And experts that are there to protect that one man,
- 00:22:56.565 --> 00:22:59.301
- Not doing their job? - yes.
- 00:22:59.301 --> 00:23:00.569
- - there's something unclean, ungodly.
- 00:23:00.569 --> 00:23:03.004
- - [erick] yeah.
- 00:23:03.004 --> 00:23:04.406
- - you know, and all whatever that is, whatever it is,
- 00:23:04.406 --> 00:23:05.974
- It's been buried, hidden, washed away,
- 00:23:05.974 --> 00:23:09.110
- - yeah. - you know, scrubbed,
- 00:23:09.110 --> 00:23:11.112
- But god's purposes went forward.
- 00:23:11.112 --> 00:23:12.948
- That's why we don't have to be afraid
- 00:23:12.948 --> 00:23:14.449
- If we will stand in the purposes of god.
- 00:23:14.449 --> 00:23:17.018
- - amen. - but yes,
- 00:23:17.018 --> 00:23:18.420
- There is a sense of a fresh breeze.
- 00:23:18.420 --> 00:23:20.922
- - yeah. - you know,
- 00:23:20.922 --> 00:23:22.190
- I don't wanna harken back the pentecost,
- 00:23:22.190 --> 00:23:23.492
- But it wouldn't offend me if we saw the spirit
- 00:23:23.492 --> 00:23:25.160
- Of god poured out upon us as we repent and turn
- 00:23:25.160 --> 00:23:29.130
- Our faces to the lord. - i'll take it.
- 00:23:29.130 --> 00:23:30.565
- - it's what peter said in acts two.
- 00:23:31.366 --> 00:23:32.033
- - yeah.
- 00:23:32.033 --> 00:23:33.335
- - they were cut to the, what do we have to do?
- 00:23:33.335 --> 00:23:34.102
- He said, "repent."
- 00:23:34.102 --> 00:23:34.903
- - yes.
- 00:23:34.903 --> 00:23:36.037
- - these are the covenant people of god.
- 00:23:36.037 --> 00:23:37.539
- They're keeping kosher. they're offering daily sacrifices.
- 00:23:37.539 --> 00:23:41.009
- They're going to temple for all the right holidays.
- 00:23:41.009 --> 00:23:43.578
- These weren't the pagan nations.
- 00:23:43.578 --> 00:23:45.146
- And he said to the covenant people
- 00:23:45.146 --> 00:23:47.249
- Of god, "you need to repent."
- 00:23:47.249 --> 00:23:49.150
- And all of jerusalem is shaken.
- 00:23:49.150 --> 00:23:51.653
- You know, acts chapter three, the lame man is healed.
- 00:23:51.653 --> 00:23:54.956
- And it happens in a moment
- 00:23:54.956 --> 00:23:56.758
- What didn't happen at any point in jesus' ministry.
- 00:23:56.758 --> 00:23:58.793
- Now the spirit of god is moving. the whole city stirred.
- 00:23:58.793 --> 00:24:01.563
- The whole region is stirred.
- 00:24:01.563 --> 00:24:03.431
- I pray what you sense, what you describe
- 00:24:03.431 --> 00:24:05.767
- Is what we watch in the months ahead of us.
- 00:24:05.767 --> 00:24:07.802
- - revival, this is the time.
- 00:24:07.802 --> 00:24:11.172
- This is a golden opportunity, i feel.
- 00:24:11.172 --> 00:24:13.174
- And we talked about europe briefly, pastor allen
- 00:24:13.174 --> 00:24:15.443
- And jd vance's, very eloquent speech.
- 00:24:15.443 --> 00:24:18.213
- And he, speaking of cutting to the heart, i mean,
- 00:24:18.213 --> 00:24:21.383
- He cut right to the heart with those ultra secular,
- 00:24:21.383 --> 00:24:24.085
- Self-satisfied european bureaucratic types.
- 00:24:24.085 --> 00:24:27.322
- And when i think of europe, the gospel went out
- 00:24:27.322 --> 00:24:29.925
- From europe for centuries.
- 00:24:29.925 --> 00:24:31.826
- And now the gospel, look, i mean,
- 00:24:31.826 --> 00:24:33.695
- In britain there are more mosques than churches,
- 00:24:33.695 --> 00:24:35.931
- If i'm not mistaken.
- 00:24:35.931 --> 00:24:36.898
- The numbers are astounding.
- 00:24:36.898 --> 00:24:38.700
- Do you think part of that is maybe the europeans.
- 00:24:38.700 --> 00:24:41.770
- Highly educated, highly prosperous societies,
- 00:24:41.770 --> 00:24:45.407
- Is it more a case of they're valuing intellect
- 00:24:45.407 --> 00:24:48.243
- And the natural, they're too smart, they're too advanced
- 00:24:48.243 --> 00:24:52.013
- For that juvenile, spiritual, supernatural stuff.
- 00:24:52.013 --> 00:24:55.850
- And even in america, i think we see that.
- 00:24:55.850 --> 00:24:57.953
- But do you think there is a sense of
- 00:24:57.953 --> 00:24:59.788
- That sometimes, there's almost this arrogance that, well,
- 00:24:59.788 --> 00:25:02.857
- That stuff, "the god stuff," quote unquote,
- 00:25:02.857 --> 00:25:05.260
- That's yesterday's news.
- 00:25:05.260 --> 00:25:06.428
- That's old wives tales, fairy tales.
- 00:25:06.428 --> 00:25:09.064
- Is that one of the problems we have here in the west?
- 00:25:09.064 --> 00:25:11.199
- And as you mentioned earlier, allen, maybe part of
- 00:25:11.199 --> 00:25:13.535
- That goes back to our prosperity
- 00:25:13.535 --> 00:25:15.971
- And we forget to acknowledge the god
- 00:25:15.971 --> 00:25:17.572
- Who made that prosperity possible.
- 00:25:17.572 --> 00:25:19.975
- - no, i think your analysis is spot on.
- 00:25:19.975 --> 00:25:22.510
- I would add to that, i think the spirit of antichrist
- 00:25:23.578 --> 00:25:26.414
- Is so prevalent, you know,
- 00:25:26.414 --> 00:25:28.350
- Before we see the individual of the antichrist on the stage
- 00:25:28.350 --> 00:25:30.919
- Of human history, that spirit is good, prevalent
- 00:25:30.919 --> 00:25:33.355
- And gaining prominence in the earth.
- 00:25:33.355 --> 00:25:35.490
- And you see it, it hates the name of jesus.
- 00:25:35.490 --> 00:25:38.026
- It hates the purposes of the gospel.
- 00:25:38.026 --> 00:25:40.161
- It diminishes them, it mocks them,
- 00:25:40.161 --> 00:25:41.863
- Just as you were describing.
- 00:25:41.863 --> 00:25:43.365
- And rather to think of it in terms of only geopolitical
- 00:25:43.365 --> 00:25:46.534
- Or economic or academic,
- 00:25:46.534 --> 00:25:48.370
- I think if those of us in the church recognize
- 00:25:48.370 --> 00:25:51.072
- The spirit behind it and then the courage it takes
- 00:25:51.072 --> 00:25:54.709
- For vice president vance to go into the lion's den
- 00:25:54.709 --> 00:25:58.079
- And tell the truth.
- 00:25:58.079 --> 00:25:59.614
- I've been a bit embarrassed honestly since the election
- 00:25:59.614 --> 00:26:01.983
- That we have elected political officials,
- 00:26:01.983 --> 00:26:04.419
- Who many in the church say are very
- 00:26:04.419 --> 00:26:05.787
- Secular, and we don't sure we like their lifestyle.
- 00:26:05.787 --> 00:26:08.556
- They're telling more truth than most
- 00:26:08.556 --> 00:26:10.625
- Of our pulpits.
- 00:26:10.625 --> 00:26:11.860
- When the president stands up
- 00:26:11.860 --> 00:26:12.927
- And says there's only two genders
- 00:26:12.927 --> 00:26:14.963
- And i'm thinking, "oh, i wish the pastors have
- 00:26:14.963 --> 00:26:16.831
- Been saying that for months or years."
- 00:26:16.831 --> 00:26:19.067
- Or that marriage is between a man and a woman.
- 00:26:19.067 --> 00:26:21.136
- Or keep the guys out of the women's sports.
- 00:26:21.136 --> 00:26:23.672
- And i think, okay, church,
- 00:26:23.672 --> 00:26:26.641
- We gotta at least have the courage
- 00:26:26.641 --> 00:26:28.443
- Of the people whose lifestyles we've been criticizing.
- 00:26:28.443 --> 00:26:31.246
- And maybe we'll see that.
- 00:26:31.246 --> 00:26:32.747
- And i thought jd vance did that beautifully in europe.
- 00:26:32.747 --> 00:26:36.084
- He challenged, from my seat as a pastor, the spirit
- 00:26:36.084 --> 00:26:39.421
- Of antichrist, he said, "you're shutting down free speech.
- 00:26:39.421 --> 00:26:43.191
- You're intolerant of people who disagree
- 00:26:43.191 --> 00:26:45.193
- With you while you tell us you're tolerant."
- 00:26:45.193 --> 00:26:47.495
- He called out the deception, the manipulation,
- 00:26:47.495 --> 00:26:50.198
- The lies, the domination.
- 00:26:50.198 --> 00:26:52.400
- That's the church's role.
- 00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:53.668
- - yeah. amazing.
- 00:26:53.668 --> 00:26:55.437
- Yeah, it's interesting, and you make a great point allen,
- 00:26:55.437 --> 00:26:57.739
- I think of certain podcasters
- 00:26:57.739 --> 00:26:59.541
- And different personalities
- 00:26:59.541 --> 00:27:00.842
- Who were talking about these issues
- 00:27:00.842 --> 00:27:03.078
- And the church is silent on it.
- 00:27:03.078 --> 00:27:04.412
- Hopefully they provoke us to jealousy
- 00:27:04.412 --> 00:27:07.015
- And it gives a more of a backbone to the church.
- 00:27:07.015 --> 00:27:09.951
- I can't believe i'm saying that,
- 00:27:09.951 --> 00:27:11.119
- But i think it's true folks.
- 00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:12.787
- We don't have to worry about that though
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- 00:27:42.984 --> 00:27:45.220
- Of world outreach church in murfreesboro, tennessee,
- 00:27:45.220 --> 00:27:47.822
- A great town.
- 00:27:47.822 --> 00:27:49.390
- Jesus and the supernatural, i mean, from walking on water
- 00:27:49.390 --> 00:27:53.328
- To the resurrection, we can go on and on
- 00:27:53.328 --> 00:27:55.563
- And you dig into it in the book.
- 00:27:55.563 --> 00:27:57.699
- And it's interesting to me, allen,
- 00:27:57.699 --> 00:27:58.933
- When christians doubt the supernatural
- 00:27:58.933 --> 00:28:01.202
- Or they say, "well, you know,
- 00:28:01.202 --> 00:28:02.637
- We can't get too deep into that."
- 00:28:02.637 --> 00:28:05.607
- Jesus was all about the supernatural, the resurrection,
- 00:28:05.607 --> 00:28:08.643
- We can go on and on.
- 00:28:08.643 --> 00:28:10.111
- Talk about that.
- 00:28:10.111 --> 00:28:11.246
- Talk about jesus and the supernatural
- 00:28:11.246 --> 00:28:13.314
- And casting out demons.
- 00:28:13.314 --> 00:28:14.783
- I mean, the list goes on, yet we still doubt today.
- 00:28:14.783 --> 00:28:18.119
- - we do.
- 00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:19.254
- Well i think you alluded to it earlier,
- 00:28:20.088 --> 00:28:22.423
- And i began my academic career in the basic sciences.
- 00:28:22.423 --> 00:28:24.993
- So i like science. my dad was a veterinarian.
- 00:28:24.993 --> 00:28:27.195
- I like equations that balance, i'm logic.
- 00:28:27.195 --> 00:28:30.365
- - well, all that stuff works for me.
- 00:28:31.132 --> 00:28:32.400
- But we've been given five physical senses
- 00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:34.736
- That we engage the world with, and they're important,
- 00:28:34.736 --> 00:28:38.640
- They're wonderful, they're amazing, but they're limited,
- 00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:41.142
- And we understand that.
- 00:28:41.142 --> 00:28:42.744
- We understand dogs can hear a range of sounds that we can't,
- 00:28:42.744 --> 00:28:44.979
- Or that some other animals have vision that we don't have,
- 00:28:44.979 --> 00:28:48.183
- So our physical senses have limits.
- 00:28:48.183 --> 00:28:49.984
- We can't see a virus or a bacteria,
- 00:28:49.984 --> 00:28:52.086
- But we know they influence us.
- 00:28:52.086 --> 00:28:54.022
- When they told us there was a virus coming our way
- 00:28:54.022 --> 00:28:56.224
- From wuhan, china, we changed our whole lives,
- 00:28:56.224 --> 00:28:58.793
- We blew up our country.
- 00:28:58.793 --> 00:29:00.295
- We couldn't see it, we could just see an impact of it.
- 00:29:00.295 --> 00:29:02.463
- - [host] yeah.
- 00:29:02.463 --> 00:29:03.865
- - well, spiritual forces are every bit as real.
- 00:29:03.865 --> 00:29:05.366
- Bible tells us that our material, physical world,
- 00:29:05.366 --> 00:29:08.002
- The earth of matter and space
- 00:29:08.002 --> 00:29:10.405
- Came into existence because of spiritual realities.
- 00:29:10.405 --> 00:29:13.441
- In the beginning, god created the heavens and the earth.
- 00:29:13.441 --> 00:29:16.311
- So those spiritual forces are every bit as real,
- 00:29:16.311 --> 00:29:18.313
- And we're spiritual beings.
- 00:29:18.313 --> 00:29:19.614
- Your spirit and my spirit, it's eternal.
- 00:29:19.614 --> 00:29:21.149
- My body is on a countdown clock, but my spirit is eternal.
- 00:29:21.149 --> 00:29:25.753
- So it's the most naive approach to our faith
- 00:29:25.753 --> 00:29:29.524
- To try to separate the spiritual realities.
- 00:29:29.524 --> 00:29:32.460
- Why would you trust god with eternity,
- 00:29:32.460 --> 00:29:34.796
- If you can't trust him to make an impact in your day to day?
- 00:29:34.796 --> 00:29:37.599
- That's illogical to me.
- 00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:39.500
- So again, i'm not trying to be weird.
- 00:29:39.500 --> 00:29:40.969
- If my car's out of gas- - i know.
- 00:29:40.969 --> 00:29:42.704
- - i don't need to hear a prophetic word.
- 00:29:42.704 --> 00:29:46.040
- I need a filling station and some cash.
- 00:29:46.040 --> 00:29:48.977
- You know, if i'm trying to merge on the interstate
- 00:29:48.977 --> 00:29:50.778
- Here in dallas, god help us all.
- 00:29:50.778 --> 00:29:52.814
- I don't pray for divine direction.
- 00:29:52.814 --> 00:29:54.782
- I have to look and then use my signal.
- 00:29:54.782 --> 00:29:57.452
- - yeah.
- 00:29:57.452 --> 00:29:58.753
- - so i don't want us to be so hyper spiritual
- 00:29:58.753 --> 00:30:01.389
- That we lose our grounding with reality.
- 00:30:01.389 --> 00:30:03.191
- - and that's a key point. - but i wanna add to that
- 00:30:03.191 --> 00:30:06.394
- Spiritual influences, and i think christians get off track.
- 00:30:06.394 --> 00:30:08.796
- We go to the doctor and we're asking god for a miracle.
- 00:30:08.796 --> 00:30:11.532
- And maybe we have one and we see them
- 00:30:11.532 --> 00:30:13.134
- With a lot of regularity. - yeah.
- 00:30:13.134 --> 00:30:15.203
- - but it's not fair to ask the hospital staff
- 00:30:15.203 --> 00:30:17.705
- To acknowledge the miracle.
- 00:30:17.705 --> 00:30:19.440
- They have to turn in their diagnostic report
- 00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:21.342
- And their evaluation to an insurance company.
- 00:30:21.342 --> 00:30:23.144
- And they don't have a box that says supernatural event.
- 00:30:23.144 --> 00:30:26.748
- So you're asking them to say something
- 00:30:26.748 --> 00:30:28.750
- That the person they're reporting to won't understand.
- 00:30:28.750 --> 00:30:31.586
- And we keep demanding of the secular culture,
- 00:30:32.520 --> 00:30:35.290
- That they acknowledge our spiritual belief.
- 00:30:35.290 --> 00:30:39.060
- And i think that's the backwards approach.
- 00:30:39.060 --> 00:30:40.762
- Let's continue to confront them so regularly
- 00:30:40.762 --> 00:30:43.364
- With evidence of the power of god
- 00:30:43.364 --> 00:30:45.233
- That they put a box on their sheet.
- 00:30:45.233 --> 00:30:47.268
- But let them come to that conclusion deductively
- 00:30:47.268 --> 00:30:49.570
- And stop being mad at them or using language that's so weird
- 00:30:49.570 --> 00:30:52.840
- They don't understand what you're talking about.
- 00:30:52.840 --> 00:30:55.343
- You know, we gotta live in the world, but not be of it.
- 00:30:55.343 --> 00:30:58.012
- But let's not forget that the foundations of who we are
- 00:30:58.012 --> 00:31:01.582
- And what's been done for us is spiritual.
- 00:31:01.582 --> 00:31:03.685
- It's not because we join the right congregation
- 00:31:03.685 --> 00:31:05.720
- Or we follow the best person on television, whatever.
- 00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:09.924
- There's a spiritual force that has rewritten our life
- 00:31:09.924 --> 00:31:12.660
- In time and for all eternity.
- 00:31:12.660 --> 00:31:14.762
- And i'm asking the lord to help me see
- 00:31:14.762 --> 00:31:17.899
- And understand and hear
- 00:31:17.899 --> 00:31:19.667
- More than i've ever seen or understood before.
- 00:31:19.667 --> 00:31:21.803
- - amen, i believe we live in prophetic times
- 00:31:21.803 --> 00:31:24.138
- And we've talked about the intensification, allen,
- 00:31:24.138 --> 00:31:26.774
- Of spiritual warfare, of course,
- 00:31:26.774 --> 00:31:28.276
- And you talk about it in "angels, demons & you."
- 00:31:28.276 --> 00:31:30.411
- But do you see perhaps a greater amount of miracles,
- 00:31:30.411 --> 00:31:34.082
- Maybe the miraculous will also intensify in these days?
- 00:31:34.082 --> 00:31:37.986
- Is there a chance of that where clearly this was god
- 00:31:37.986 --> 00:31:41.956
- And it will be undeniable even for non-believers
- 00:31:41.956 --> 00:31:44.692
- That god is moving and miraculous things are unfolding?
- 00:31:44.692 --> 00:31:48.129
- - absolutely, 100%.
- 00:31:48.129 --> 00:31:50.465
- But i think if we go back and read our gospels,
- 00:31:50.465 --> 00:31:53.034
- We've been reading through john,
- 00:31:53.034 --> 00:31:54.369
- We do a reading plan together.
- 00:31:54.369 --> 00:31:56.437
- You know, the man that was born blind,
- 00:31:56.437 --> 00:31:58.940
- I mean, he was well known in the city of jerusalem.
- 00:31:58.940 --> 00:32:01.142
- And yet when his eyes are opened,
- 00:32:01.142 --> 00:32:02.643
- There's not universal approval of what happened.
- 00:32:02.643 --> 00:32:05.780
- There's a debate.
- 00:32:05.780 --> 00:32:06.681
- What happened? who did it?
- 00:32:06.681 --> 00:32:08.316
- Who's to blame? - yeah.
- 00:32:08.316 --> 00:32:09.784
- - we're not going to agree with that.
- 00:32:09.784 --> 00:32:11.819
- A couple chapters later is lazarus.
- 00:32:11.819 --> 00:32:14.655
- Jesus purposely waits for lazarus to die.
- 00:32:14.655 --> 00:32:17.458
- - [host] yeah.
- 00:32:17.458 --> 00:32:18.760
- - jesus, the moment he heard the message,
- 00:32:18.760 --> 00:32:20.595
- He could have said, "be healed," and he would've been healed
- 00:32:20.595 --> 00:32:22.563
- Like he did with the centurion servant.
- 00:32:22.563 --> 00:32:24.565
- He purposely waits, lazarus dies.
- 00:32:24.565 --> 00:32:27.235
- He's poking his finger,
- 00:32:27.235 --> 00:32:28.936
- He's poking the bear in jerusalem.
- 00:32:28.936 --> 00:32:31.105
- Lazarus been buried four days.
- 00:32:31.105 --> 00:32:33.307
- I mean, martha says,
- 00:32:33.307 --> 00:32:34.942
- "you know, he smells." - yeah, yeah.
- 00:32:34.942 --> 00:32:36.978
- - and then they say, "we've gotta kill lazarus too,
- 00:32:36.978 --> 00:32:39.013
- 'cause we can't let this miracle walk around."
- 00:32:39.013 --> 00:32:41.649
- But the city didn't all agree.
- 00:32:41.649 --> 00:32:43.851
- And we've been waiting for everybody
- 00:32:43.851 --> 00:32:45.820
- To acknowledge our miracles.
- 00:32:45.820 --> 00:32:47.355
- There's a man in our church. we do a podcast every week.
- 00:32:47.355 --> 00:32:49.924
- - yeah. - and so we've been
- 00:32:49.924 --> 00:32:51.059
- Doing podcasts with miracle stories.
- 00:32:51.059 --> 00:32:52.760
- The man went to the heart doctor for a routine,
- 00:32:52.760 --> 00:32:55.096
- Before he got to the doctor's office, he collapsed.
- 00:32:55.096 --> 00:32:57.999
- He was gone for 30 minutes,
- 00:32:57.999 --> 00:32:59.333
- Took him 30 minutes to get his heart started.
- 00:32:59.333 --> 00:33:01.869
- That's dead.
- 00:33:01.869 --> 00:33:03.137
- I was there when the doctor came through
- 00:33:03.137 --> 00:33:04.839
- And said, "you know, we've got his heart resuscitated,
- 00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:06.741
- But he's gone too long.
- 00:33:06.741 --> 00:33:08.242
- He's gonna be in a coma for several days. we'll see.
- 00:33:09.310 --> 00:33:11.546
- But you should have no expectations."
- 00:33:11.546 --> 00:33:13.448
- - yeah. - he's a twin.
- 00:33:13.448 --> 00:33:15.283
- - wow. - when they woke him up
- 00:33:15.917 --> 00:33:17.452
- Four days later, they asked him a question and he answered,
- 00:33:17.452 --> 00:33:19.353
- And his brother said,
- 00:33:19.353 --> 00:33:20.888
- "he's as dumb as he was when he got sick, let's go home."
- 00:33:20.888 --> 00:33:22.957
- (host laughing)
- 00:33:22.957 --> 00:33:24.926
- I mean, it's a miracle by any definition.
- 00:33:24.926 --> 00:33:26.861
- The emts call him lazarus. - wow.
- 00:33:26.861 --> 00:33:29.197
- - and each day he passes out...
- 00:33:29.197 --> 00:33:30.865
- - bulletins in our church every week.
- 00:33:31.666 --> 00:33:32.667
- You know, people say, i don't believe in miracle,
- 00:33:33.668 --> 00:33:34.802
- I don't care if you believe or not.
- 00:33:34.802 --> 00:33:36.337
- You know, brad arnold, the lead singer for three doors down
- 00:33:36.337 --> 00:33:40.041
- Came and sat down with me.
- 00:33:40.608 --> 00:33:42.376
- He was at the end of, he said, " i lost any reason to live."
- 00:33:42.376 --> 00:33:46.180
- He's on a tour in japan. he's calling back to the states.
- 00:33:46.180 --> 00:33:49.383
- Nobody's answering his call,
- 00:33:49.383 --> 00:33:50.518
- Charlie daniels answers the phone.
- 00:33:50.518 --> 00:33:52.753
- And charlie said, do you love your wife? and he said, "yes."
- 00:33:52.753 --> 00:33:55.089
- He said, "why are you killing her husband?"
- 00:33:55.089 --> 00:33:57.658
- He said, "you need to get home and get your life together."
- 00:33:57.658 --> 00:34:00.261
- Brad did, he came home, he got his faith back in place.
- 00:34:00.261 --> 00:34:03.264
- He'd grown up with the christian faith.
- 00:34:03.264 --> 00:34:05.466
- Now, at his concerts, rock concerts, i watched the video,
- 00:34:05.466 --> 00:34:08.603
- Madison square garden.
- 00:34:08.603 --> 00:34:10.171
- In the most gentle, humble way, he's taking his faith
- 00:34:10.171 --> 00:34:13.875
- And sharing it with those audiences that came
- 00:34:13.875 --> 00:34:15.676
- To hear three doors down play.
- 00:34:15.676 --> 00:34:17.078
- - wow, and that clip went viral, by the way.
- 00:34:17.078 --> 00:34:18.679
- - it did. - it did.
- 00:34:18.679 --> 00:34:20.114
- - there are miracles every day, i sit with them.
- 00:34:20.114 --> 00:34:23.017
- God is moving in the earth, now, we have to decide
- 00:34:23.017 --> 00:34:25.219
- If we believe, you know, who are we gonna be in that crowd?
- 00:34:25.219 --> 00:34:28.389
- Are we gonna be the one that goes, i don't know
- 00:34:28.389 --> 00:34:29.891
- If that guy was really blind or not.
- 00:34:29.891 --> 00:34:31.859
- You know, maybe lazarus just had a fever.
- 00:34:31.859 --> 00:34:34.128
- Or are we gonna say, no, i'm gonna give god credit for that?
- 00:34:34.128 --> 00:34:37.665
- I wanna be voting that god is moving in the earth,
- 00:34:38.699 --> 00:34:41.035
- There's no question, i know you see it all the time.
- 00:34:41.035 --> 00:34:43.004
- - amen, and firsthand, folks, the book
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- 00:35:00.855 --> 00:35:03.191
- Pastor allen, a subject we talk about,
- 00:35:03.191 --> 00:35:04.592
- You just mentioned jerusalem, and a subject you
- 00:35:04.592 --> 00:35:06.594
- And i both talk about a bunch on our shows, obviously,
- 00:35:06.594 --> 00:35:08.963
- Is israel.
- 00:35:08.963 --> 00:35:10.298
- When i think of the supernatural, i think
- 00:35:10.298 --> 00:35:11.933
- Of the miraculous,
- 00:35:11.933 --> 00:35:13.267
- Israel is the land of miracles, a place near and dear
- 00:35:13.267 --> 00:35:16.971
- To both of our hearts, of course.
- 00:35:16.971 --> 00:35:19.340
- How will god move in the days to come in israel?
- 00:35:19.340 --> 00:35:23.177
- How will israel be one way, as god continues
- 00:35:23.177 --> 00:35:25.746
- To reveal himself to the world,
- 00:35:25.746 --> 00:35:27.582
- How will israel be one way in which he does that
- 00:35:27.582 --> 00:35:31.085
- In the supernatural, in the miraculous, and much more?
- 00:35:31.085 --> 00:35:34.722
- - yeah, you're right, i wish, i wish we could walk down
- 00:35:35.856 --> 00:35:37.024
- To aroma when we finish our interview.
- 00:35:37.024 --> 00:35:38.459
- - oh, i know, and we'll do it, hey, next year,
- 00:35:38.459 --> 00:35:40.928
- This year in jerusalem, hopefully, we'll do it together
- 00:35:40.928 --> 00:35:42.830
- - in due time. - yeah.
- 00:35:42.830 --> 00:35:44.999
- - well, i think, i don't think you can understand
- 00:35:44.999 --> 00:35:47.335
- The scripture or the unfolding purposes of god
- 00:35:47.335 --> 00:35:50.271
- Without understanding the jewish people
- 00:35:50.271 --> 00:35:51.739
- And the nation of israel. - yeah.
- 00:35:51.739 --> 00:35:54.075
- - and it doesn't mean they're perfect,
- 00:35:54.075 --> 00:35:56.711
- All the sins you can find in nashville,
- 00:35:56.711 --> 00:35:58.713
- You can find in jerusalem.
- 00:35:58.713 --> 00:36:00.281
- But there's no question god chose the jewish people
- 00:36:01.349 --> 00:36:04.552
- And that the nation of israel is his idea.
- 00:36:04.552 --> 00:36:07.255
- And so i think, as we watch what's happening,
- 00:36:07.255 --> 00:36:09.457
- I always feel like, when i visit the land of israel,
- 00:36:09.457 --> 00:36:12.760
- That i'm reminded so much of my own responsibilities.
- 00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:16.163
- They live in a very difficult neighborhood,
- 00:36:17.031 --> 00:36:18.966
- As you know they like to say, and tremendous pressure
- 00:36:18.966 --> 00:36:22.003
- And great sacrifices to be there,
- 00:36:22.003 --> 00:36:24.272
- When their kids graduate high school,
- 00:36:24.272 --> 00:36:25.573
- They all go serve in the military.
- 00:36:25.573 --> 00:36:27.174
- And the frontlines for them are real threats, they're not.
- 00:36:27.174 --> 00:36:30.344
- And we've watched the horror that they've had
- 00:36:31.279 --> 00:36:32.880
- To live through right now, but, and yet god sustains them.
- 00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:36.384
- And again, talking about this new breeze
- 00:36:36.384 --> 00:36:38.452
- Or this fresh light that we see, the conversation
- 00:36:38.452 --> 00:36:41.889
- Has changed around israel in the last few weeks.
- 00:36:41.889 --> 00:36:44.925
- I mean, what mr. trump had to say about gaza.
- 00:36:44.925 --> 00:36:47.461
- When you heard it, there was so much truth in it,
- 00:36:47.461 --> 00:36:49.530
- It brought a clarity to something that
- 00:36:49.530 --> 00:36:51.165
- Had been confusing.
- 00:36:51.165 --> 00:36:52.433
- - [interviewer] yes.
- 00:36:52.433 --> 00:36:53.601
- - he said, why would we keep doing
- 00:36:53.601 --> 00:36:54.635
- What hasn't worked for 70 years?
- 00:36:54.635 --> 00:36:56.504
- - yeah, and allen, i thought that too.
- 00:36:56.504 --> 00:36:57.938
- Why hasn't someone suggested this already?
- 00:36:57.938 --> 00:37:00.708
- It's just so common sense.
- 00:37:00.708 --> 00:37:02.810
- But finally, it takes one man
- 00:37:02.810 --> 00:37:03.978
- To cut through the clutter and-
- 00:37:03.978 --> 00:37:05.513
- - well, again, and it's coming from somebody that,
- 00:37:05.513 --> 00:37:06.947
- You know, we've kind of put secular labels on.
- 00:37:06.947 --> 00:37:09.483
- - yeah. - it's humbling.
- 00:37:09.483 --> 00:37:11.319
- I'm like, all right, all of us spiritual people,
- 00:37:11.319 --> 00:37:13.120
- All of us bible readers, and now it's the orange man
- 00:37:13.120 --> 00:37:17.491
- Speaking truth that none of us had the courage to speak,
- 00:37:17.491 --> 00:37:20.194
- And i was proud of him and humbled myself.
- 00:37:20.194 --> 00:37:23.798
- And i think we will see in the weeks to come,
- 00:37:23.798 --> 00:37:26.701
- The larger narrative around israel will change almost
- 00:37:26.701 --> 00:37:29.570
- As dramatically as the narrative around gaza.
- 00:37:29.570 --> 00:37:31.339
- - [interviewer] yeah.
- 00:37:31.339 --> 00:37:32.840
- - i don't think it's gonna be easier for them.
- 00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:34.709
- It's been an extraordinarily difficult time.
- 00:37:34.709 --> 00:37:37.278
- - yeah.
- 00:37:37.278 --> 00:37:38.746
- - and at the end of the day, they're gonna have
- 00:37:38.746 --> 00:37:39.914
- To reconcile the relationship with jesus.
- 00:37:39.914 --> 00:37:42.616
- - [interviewer] yeah.
- 00:37:42.616 --> 00:37:44.385
- - but in the meantime, i will be their friends
- 00:37:44.385 --> 00:37:46.687
- And stand with them. - amen.
- 00:37:46.687 --> 00:37:48.255
- - and use my voice as a affirming voice
- 00:37:48.255 --> 00:37:51.559
- For them in the earth. - yeah.
- 00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:53.394
- - it's one of the great honors of my life.
- 00:37:53.394 --> 00:37:55.663
- And i know you have a passion for israel,
- 00:37:55.663 --> 00:37:57.698
- I've enjoyed so much watching what you do there, so-
- 00:37:57.698 --> 00:37:59.867
- - [interviewer] thank you, and you too.
- 00:37:59.867 --> 00:38:01.435
- - but there's no doubt that that dialogue's being shifted.
- 00:38:01.435 --> 00:38:03.170
- - oh yeah.
- 00:38:03.170 --> 00:38:04.772
- - and again, i wanna say, how do you watch what's happening
- 00:38:04.772 --> 00:38:06.907
- In the earth, in our nation, in israel, in europe,
- 00:38:06.907 --> 00:38:10.111
- I think we're gonna see it in other nations as well.
- 00:38:11.145 --> 00:38:13.214
- We're gonna see the war in ukraine come to a conclusion,
- 00:38:13.214 --> 00:38:16.016
- A million people have died.
- 00:38:16.016 --> 00:38:17.752
- - a million, in only three years.
- 00:38:18.486 --> 00:38:20.321
- - let's stop the political, a million people have died,
- 00:38:20.321 --> 00:38:23.290
- A whole culture's been turned on its ear.
- 00:38:23.290 --> 00:38:25.259
- - [interviewer] yeah.
- 00:38:25.259 --> 00:38:26.394
- - yes, stopping that is a good thing.
- 00:38:26.394 --> 00:38:29.263
- I mean, and all of the-
- 00:38:29.764 --> 00:38:30.431
- - this is in play.
- 00:38:30.865 --> 00:38:31.799
- God is moving in the earth.
- 00:38:31.799 --> 00:38:32.967
- Now let's go move with him.
- 00:38:32.967 --> 00:38:34.769
- - yeah. - let's find out,
- 00:38:34.769 --> 00:38:35.669
- In our little communities.
- 00:38:35.669 --> 00:38:37.238
- Stop saying, "god, send me as an ambassador."
- 00:38:37.238 --> 00:38:39.306
- He sent you as an ambassador to your community.
- 00:38:39.306 --> 00:38:42.443
- Let's let it disrupt our lives and our relationships
- 00:38:42.443 --> 00:38:44.779
- As much as mike let it disrupt his,
- 00:38:44.779 --> 00:38:47.148
- And our little towns will start to change.
- 00:38:47.148 --> 00:38:49.116
- - yes. - i'm excited about that.
- 00:38:49.116 --> 00:38:51.051
- - yeah, i love that point you make
- 00:38:51.051 --> 00:38:52.453
- Frequently on "allen jackson now."
- 00:38:52.453 --> 00:38:54.255
- It starts with us in our community,
- 00:38:54.255 --> 00:38:55.890
- And you hammer that home, allen,
- 00:38:55.890 --> 00:38:57.024
- Every night on the show, really.
- 00:38:57.024 --> 00:38:59.059
- We can talk about the broader
- 00:38:59.059 --> 00:39:00.594
- Kind of macro level geopolitical,
- 00:39:00.594 --> 00:39:02.496
- But it starts in our backyard,
- 00:39:02.496 --> 00:39:04.031
- Our friends, family, coworkers, neighbors.
- 00:39:04.031 --> 00:39:07.535
- That's where we start as ambassadors right here at home.
- 00:39:07.535 --> 00:39:10.871
- The prophetic chess pieces,
- 00:39:11.472 --> 00:39:13.007
- I think moving on the board,
- 00:39:13.007 --> 00:39:14.909
- Israel at the center of that, it seems no doubt.
- 00:39:14.909 --> 00:39:17.945
- Why such intensity?
- 00:39:17.945 --> 00:39:19.513
- At times in israel, you can feel the heaviness, i think.
- 00:39:19.513 --> 00:39:24.118
- Why such intense spiritual warfare over the land of israel
- 00:39:24.118 --> 00:39:29.457
- And the jewish people, as we see antisemitism
- 00:39:30.391 --> 00:39:31.258
- Rising around the world as well?
- 00:39:31.258 --> 00:39:32.927
- - right.
- 00:39:32.927 --> 00:39:34.061
- Well, i think it has to do with the nature of evil.
- 00:39:35.062 --> 00:39:37.965
- You know, as i understand it biblically
- 00:39:37.965 --> 00:39:39.567
- And from my limited life experience,
- 00:39:39.567 --> 00:39:42.002
- You know, evil never relents.
- 00:39:42.636 --> 00:39:44.839
- So my question is, what are you and i doing?
- 00:39:44.839 --> 00:39:50.044
- That brings me some hope
- 00:39:50.544 --> 00:39:51.979
- 'cause when you see something that's clearly evil,
- 00:39:51.979 --> 00:39:53.481
- You think, well, they're gonna play it so far.
- 00:39:53.481 --> 00:39:55.549
- - yes. - and when you watch that
- 00:39:55.549 --> 00:39:58.152
- In israel, the intensity of what hamas did was so abhorrent.
- 00:39:58.152 --> 00:40:02.256
- - yeah. - it was beyond human.
- 00:40:02.256 --> 00:40:04.291
- I mean, what they did to people and families,
- 00:40:05.226 --> 00:40:08.028
- But it was so reprehensible that now
- 00:40:08.829 --> 00:40:12.766
- The response to that is gonna change the equation.
- 00:40:12.766 --> 00:40:16.003
- - yes, they signed their own death warrant-
- 00:40:16.003 --> 00:40:17.705
- - they did. - i believe.
- 00:40:17.705 --> 00:40:18.906
- And allen, you make a great point.
- 00:40:18.906 --> 00:40:20.407
- It's an evil that is relentless.
- 00:40:20.407 --> 00:40:23.477
- I mean, no matter how hard israel hits them,
- 00:40:23.477 --> 00:40:25.012
- They seem to keep coming and coming
- 00:40:25.012 --> 00:40:26.647
- Because that's their only rationale for being
- 00:40:26.647 --> 00:40:28.315
- Is to kill, maim and murder.
- 00:40:28.315 --> 00:40:29.683
- That's who they are. it's demonic.
- 00:40:29.683 --> 00:40:32.119
- - well, it's not rational. - yeah.
- 00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:34.388
- - it's a spiritual force.
- 00:40:34.388 --> 00:40:36.724
- And the devil isn't going to repent.
- 00:40:36.724 --> 00:40:39.059
- All the way to the end of the age until he's bound
- 00:40:40.094 --> 00:40:43.163
- And finally addressed,
- 00:40:43.163 --> 00:40:45.566
- He will continue to oppose the purposes of god
- 00:40:45.566 --> 00:40:48.769
- And we're just the 21st century edition of that.
- 00:40:48.769 --> 00:40:51.939
- We got a bible filled with the prelude to that,
- 00:40:51.939 --> 00:40:55.309
- Then if the lord tarries, there'll be
- 00:40:55.309 --> 00:40:57.077
- Those that follow us.
- 00:40:57.077 --> 00:40:58.245
- He isn't going to change his objective.
- 00:40:58.245 --> 00:41:00.548
- He hates the purposes of god,
- 00:41:00.548 --> 00:41:03.250
- And because god loves human beings, he hates us,
- 00:41:03.250 --> 00:41:06.387
- So he comes to steal, to kill and destroy,
- 00:41:06.387 --> 00:41:09.223
- And you better have a plan for that
- 00:41:09.223 --> 00:41:11.725
- Because saying, "i don't believe in evil,"
- 00:41:11.725 --> 00:41:13.494
- Doesn't protect you. - right.
- 00:41:13.494 --> 00:41:15.362
- - it's like saying, "i don't believe in fat."
- 00:41:15.362 --> 00:41:17.097
- That can't help me if i keep shoveling dessert
- 00:41:17.097 --> 00:41:19.133
- In my mouth, which i like to do.
- 00:41:19.133 --> 00:41:20.868
- (erick laughing)
- 00:41:20.868 --> 00:41:21.869
- So, denying it isn't helpful,
- 00:41:21.869 --> 00:41:25.205
- But we don't have to be frightened by it.
- 00:41:25.205 --> 00:41:28.042
- The one that's with us, as you said,
- 00:41:28.042 --> 00:41:29.510
- Is greater than the force that's against us,
- 00:41:29.510 --> 00:41:32.112
- And if we will live in that awareness
- 00:41:32.112 --> 00:41:33.847
- And let that grow in us, we're not flippant or casual.
- 00:41:33.847 --> 00:41:37.318
- We still do all the things, we will armor up.
- 00:41:37.318 --> 00:41:39.653
- We will watch what we listen to and think about
- 00:41:39.653 --> 00:41:43.724
- And learn to take every thought captive.
- 00:41:43.724 --> 00:41:45.960
- - which is so difficult at times
- 00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:47.761
- In this day and age with social media
- 00:41:47.761 --> 00:41:50.030
- And 1,000 different media options,
- 00:41:50.030 --> 00:41:53.300
- Even for believers at times.
- 00:41:53.300 --> 00:41:55.035
- - well, yes, it is not something that we master.
- 00:41:55.035 --> 00:41:59.573
- - yeah. - i'm not a kid anymore,
- 00:41:59.573 --> 00:42:02.509
- And you wanna believe that when you get to my point in life,
- 00:42:02.509 --> 00:42:04.845
- You know, you've got all your spiritual disciplines
- 00:42:04.845 --> 00:42:06.780
- So buttoned up that there's no challenge.
- 00:42:06.780 --> 00:42:09.149
- What a bunch of baloney. - yeah.
- 00:42:09.149 --> 00:42:11.285
- - i have to guard my thoughts, i have to watch my words.
- 00:42:11.285 --> 00:42:15.155
- I have to be sure i keep really short emotional accounts.
- 00:42:15.155 --> 00:42:18.759
- You can't let that stuff build up
- 00:42:18.759 --> 00:42:20.961
- And i think if we would just come back
- 00:42:21.795 --> 00:42:23.197
- To those simple fundamentals- - yeah.
- 00:42:23.197 --> 00:42:25.833
- - we would gain some spiritual health.
- 00:42:25.833 --> 00:42:27.768
- The diet industry is a billion dollar thing.
- 00:42:27.768 --> 00:42:31.171
- I laughed, i told my wife i was gonna write a diet book,
- 00:42:32.306 --> 00:42:34.041
- The chocolate diet. (erick laughing)
- 00:42:34.041 --> 00:42:35.909
- You can eat all the chocolates you want
- 00:42:35.909 --> 00:42:37.244
- And you'll lose weight.
- 00:42:37.244 --> 00:42:38.779
- We'll sell 1,000, we'll sell 100,000 books-
- 00:42:38.779 --> 00:42:40.314
- - [erick] i would buy your book.
- 00:42:40.314 --> 00:42:42.282
- - before they find out it doesn't work,
- 00:42:42.282 --> 00:42:43.884
- And you know, so what?
- 00:42:43.884 --> 00:42:45.653
- It's not that we don't know
- 00:42:45.653 --> 00:42:46.754
- We need to move more and eat less,
- 00:42:46.754 --> 00:42:48.822
- But we're looking for the cream, the potion, the pill.
- 00:42:48.822 --> 00:42:51.859
- - the quick fix. - the belt.
- 00:42:51.859 --> 00:42:53.060
- - yeah, yeah. - and we're doing that
- 00:42:53.060 --> 00:42:54.194
- In the church. - yeah.
- 00:42:54.194 --> 00:42:55.596
- - let's go back to church.
- 00:42:55.596 --> 00:42:58.465
- Let's just go back with one another.
- 00:42:59.233 --> 00:43:00.868
- Let's get our bibles out.
- 00:43:00.868 --> 00:43:02.002
- Let's pray with our families again.
- 00:43:02.002 --> 00:43:04.705
- Let's stop accommodating ungodliness,
- 00:43:04.705 --> 00:43:07.741
- Even it's your kid, i understand they're your children.
- 00:43:07.741 --> 00:43:11.045
- Tell 'em the truth.
- 00:43:11.045 --> 00:43:12.746
- That's an awkward thing.
- 00:43:12.746 --> 00:43:13.681
- It's gonna disrupt thanksgiving,
- 00:43:13.681 --> 00:43:15.883
- But it will bring you a better future.
- 00:43:15.883 --> 00:43:18.218
- I think if we'll do those simple things,
- 00:43:19.086 --> 00:43:20.521
- We'll get healthier spiritually.
- 00:43:20.521 --> 00:43:22.322
- God is moving, i just wanna go with him.
- 00:43:22.322 --> 00:43:24.024
- - oh, yeah. - i just wanna go with him.
- 00:43:24.024 --> 00:43:25.893
- - [erick] i think most christians today,
- 00:43:25.893 --> 00:43:27.294
- I don't wanna say most, but many don't realize.
- 00:43:27.294 --> 00:43:30.764
- - perhaps the moment we're in this, this is a move of god,
- 00:43:31.932 --> 00:43:33.834
- As you said, big things and big opportunities
- 00:43:33.834 --> 00:43:36.737
- To advance the kingdom.
- 00:43:36.737 --> 00:43:39.907
- - yeah, if you have any awareness,
- 00:43:40.674 --> 00:43:42.276
- The narrative in israel has changed.
- 00:43:42.276 --> 00:43:43.944
- - yes. - wars in the world
- 00:43:43.944 --> 00:43:45.746
- Are being addressed.
- 00:43:45.746 --> 00:43:47.114
- Our economy, the fraud and waste in our government
- 00:43:47.114 --> 00:43:50.484
- Has been so prevalent,
- 00:43:50.484 --> 00:43:51.785
- It's difficult to get your brain around.
- 00:43:51.785 --> 00:43:53.987
- - yeah. - how do you
- 00:43:53.987 --> 00:43:54.822
- Misplace $4 trillion?
- 00:43:54.822 --> 00:43:58.358
- - [erick] and you talk about this
- 00:43:58.358 --> 00:43:59.293
- A bunch on "allen jackson now."
- 00:43:59.293 --> 00:44:00.894
- - and all of that's being brought into the light.
- 00:44:00.894 --> 00:44:03.497
- It's being pushed into the public square
- 00:44:03.497 --> 00:44:05.632
- And we are like the people in jerusalem
- 00:44:05.632 --> 00:44:07.367
- Arguing about the man born blind.
- 00:44:07.367 --> 00:44:08.669
- "well, i'm not sure i believe it.
- 00:44:08.669 --> 00:44:10.270
- I know his parents, ask them."
- 00:44:10.270 --> 00:44:12.106
- - very true. - and it's because
- 00:44:12.106 --> 00:44:13.941
- They wouldn't acknowledge the truth
- 00:44:13.941 --> 00:44:15.542
- Because they didn't wanna be identified
- 00:44:15.542 --> 00:44:17.311
- And lose some position.
- 00:44:17.311 --> 00:44:19.413
- - yes. - some opportunity.
- 00:44:19.413 --> 00:44:21.849
- And i see that happening amongst us today.
- 00:44:21.849 --> 00:44:24.184
- It's like, yeah, that probably was money
- 00:44:24.184 --> 00:44:26.086
- We shouldn't have spent and maybe we shouldn't kill
- 00:44:26.086 --> 00:44:28.288
- Another million people in ukraine,
- 00:44:28.288 --> 00:44:29.723
- And maybe billions of more dollars
- 00:44:29.723 --> 00:44:31.992
- To the people in gaza is not a good idea.
- 00:44:31.992 --> 00:44:34.294
- Yeah, no kidding.
- 00:44:34.294 --> 00:44:35.963
- But we don't wanna say it out loud
- 00:44:35.963 --> 00:44:37.664
- Because we don't wanna be identified with
- 00:44:37.664 --> 00:44:39.233
- A political party.
- 00:44:39.233 --> 00:44:40.100
- - yes. - it's not a political thing.
- 00:44:40.100 --> 00:44:41.902
- God is moving and i wanna be
- 00:44:41.902 --> 00:44:44.171
- Identified with god. - it's right or wrong.
- 00:44:44.171 --> 00:44:45.472
- Yeah. - whatever that takes, i'm in.
- 00:44:45.472 --> 00:44:47.641
- - amen, i wanna be where he is,
- 00:44:47.641 --> 00:44:49.143
- Whatever he has his hand on, i wanna be a part of that.
- 00:44:49.143 --> 00:44:52.579
- - that's our life goal. - yes.
- 00:44:52.579 --> 00:44:54.081
- - why else did we do this?
- 00:44:54.081 --> 00:44:55.849
- - tell us more about the book, and again, folks,
- 00:44:55.849 --> 00:44:57.518
- We're at the national religious broadcasters convention,
- 00:44:57.518 --> 00:44:59.787
- Nrb, annual great gathering
- 00:44:59.787 --> 00:45:01.855
- Of religious broadcasters in dallas, texas this year,
- 00:45:01.855 --> 00:45:04.925
- But many times it's in allen jackson's hometown,
- 00:45:04.925 --> 00:45:07.060
- Nashville, tennessee.
- 00:45:07.060 --> 00:45:08.462
- We're with pastor allen jackson,
- 00:45:08.462 --> 00:45:09.797
- Host of "allen jackson now,"
- 00:45:09.797 --> 00:45:11.231
- Right here on tbn every weeknight 7:00 pm eastern time,
- 00:45:11.231 --> 00:45:14.268
- Back-to-back with "stakelbeck tonight."
- 00:45:14.268 --> 00:45:16.170
- And the book is called "angels, demons & you."
- 00:45:16.170 --> 00:45:18.372
- You see the qr code there on your screen.
- 00:45:18.372 --> 00:45:20.140
- You can pre-order it right now.
- 00:45:20.140 --> 00:45:22.242
- Before we wrap up, final thoughts, pastor allen.
- 00:45:22.242 --> 00:45:24.845
- "angels, demons & you,"
- 00:45:24.845 --> 00:45:26.680
- It's such a fascinating and timely book.
- 00:45:26.680 --> 00:45:29.783
- As you're writing, you've written many books
- 00:45:29.783 --> 00:45:31.819
- As you're writing, you're researching,
- 00:45:31.819 --> 00:45:34.188
- This one in particular,
- 00:45:34.188 --> 00:45:36.390
- What jumps out at you in the process?
- 00:45:36.390 --> 00:45:39.092
- Any kind of aha moments,
- 00:45:39.092 --> 00:45:41.595
- And anything in particular you want us to know
- 00:45:41.595 --> 00:45:44.865
- About the book before we go out and pick it up?
- 00:45:44.865 --> 00:45:47.701
- - well, i'm a pretty simple guy,
- 00:45:47.701 --> 00:45:49.670
- So i think the message is that the spiritual realm
- 00:45:49.670 --> 00:45:52.773
- Is just as real as anything we know in our material world.
- 00:45:52.773 --> 00:45:56.777
- It's really an invitation to living a dimensional life,
- 00:45:56.777 --> 00:46:00.414
- A multi-dimensional life.
- 00:46:00.414 --> 00:46:02.449
- We're not just physical people, we don't just have finances.
- 00:46:02.449 --> 00:46:05.352
- We're a spirit and we're engaged with a spiritual reality,
- 00:46:05.352 --> 00:46:08.755
- And if you're not on a daily basis living with a plan
- 00:46:08.755 --> 00:46:11.992
- That addresses that so that you're gaining
- 00:46:11.992 --> 00:46:13.794
- Strength spiritually and diminishing the influences
- 00:46:13.794 --> 00:46:16.930
- Of evil in your life, you are being preyed upon
- 00:46:16.930 --> 00:46:20.601
- Because denying evil doesn't remove it from your arena.
- 00:46:20.601 --> 00:46:24.204
- So the book is really intended to be an encouragement.
- 00:46:24.204 --> 00:46:27.040
- It's not frightening.
- 00:46:27.040 --> 00:46:28.775
- I think if you're walking through a difficult season,
- 00:46:28.775 --> 00:46:30.577
- Grab a copy, read it.
- 00:46:30.577 --> 00:46:31.712
- I believe the lord will lead you.
- 00:46:31.712 --> 00:46:33.847
- At the end of the day, i trust the spirit of god to lead us.
- 00:46:33.847 --> 00:46:36.283
- You know, you and i can study and prep
- 00:46:36.283 --> 00:46:37.851
- And do all of our stuff,
- 00:46:37.851 --> 00:46:39.620
- But one idea from god changes the whole trajectory
- 00:46:39.620 --> 00:46:42.055
- Of our lives and we both have experienced it repeatedly,
- 00:46:42.055 --> 00:46:44.958
- And i wrote the book to help people have those moments
- 00:46:44.958 --> 00:46:47.728
- Where god changes the narrative.
- 00:46:47.728 --> 00:46:49.229
- - yeah, and i think a lot of times people are unaware
- 00:46:49.229 --> 00:46:51.965
- Of the spiritual battles, the supernatural.
- 00:46:51.965 --> 00:46:53.700
- I think with the book of amos,
- 00:46:53.700 --> 00:46:54.968
- "my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge."
- 00:46:54.968 --> 00:46:58.639
- And pastor allen, that's why i think the book
- 00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:00.674
- Is so important.
- 00:47:00.674 --> 00:47:02.376
- Do you think people maybe
- 00:47:02.376 --> 00:47:04.278
- Underestimate the intensity of this?
- 00:47:04.278 --> 00:47:07.147
- We go about our daily lives, and like you said,
- 00:47:07.147 --> 00:47:09.149
- We don't want to hyperspiritualize
- 00:47:09.149 --> 00:47:11.084
- It, so to speak,
- 00:47:11.084 --> 00:47:12.319
- But i think the intensity on one hand of, i hate to say it,
- 00:47:12.319 --> 00:47:16.456
- The hatred that the devil, his demons have for us,
- 00:47:16.456 --> 00:47:19.793
- But on the other hand, the intensity of the love
- 00:47:19.793 --> 00:47:21.695
- God has for us and the role that angels play in our lives,
- 00:47:21.695 --> 00:47:25.165
- As you say in the book, as guardians and messengers.
- 00:47:25.165 --> 00:47:28.035
- We've got a friend, we've got a friend in jesus,
- 00:47:28.035 --> 00:47:29.803
- And we've got his advocates here on earth
- 00:47:29.803 --> 00:47:31.872
- All around us, even though we can't see them.
- 00:47:31.872 --> 00:47:34.074
- - yeah, i think our attitude towards god
- 00:47:34.074 --> 00:47:35.742
- Has grown too casual and we treat him
- 00:47:35.742 --> 00:47:38.979
- More like a benevolent uncle
- 00:47:38.979 --> 00:47:40.714
- And we've lost the respect that he deserves.
- 00:47:41.648 --> 00:47:45.319
- One of the things i loved about science
- 00:47:46.186 --> 00:47:47.487
- Is there's a precision to it.
- 00:47:47.487 --> 00:47:49.256
- The orbit of the earth around the sun.
- 00:47:49.256 --> 00:47:50.857
- I mean, you can calculate whatever.
- 00:47:50.857 --> 00:47:53.560
- Elon musk can do all these things in space
- 00:47:53.560 --> 00:47:55.495
- Because of the precision of our world.
- 00:47:55.495 --> 00:47:57.664
- Well, the spiritual realm is not sloppy.
- 00:47:57.664 --> 00:48:00.267
- It's every bit as precise.
- 00:48:00.267 --> 00:48:02.369
- And what i find is, we'll say, you know,
- 00:48:02.369 --> 00:48:03.537
- "i know what the bible says,
- 00:48:03.537 --> 00:48:04.805
- But let me tell you what i think."
- 00:48:04.805 --> 00:48:06.707
- Well, i like people, i listen to their thoughts,
- 00:48:06.707 --> 00:48:08.875
- But at the end of the day,
- 00:48:08.875 --> 00:48:10.110
- What i think doesn't change who god is,
- 00:48:10.110 --> 00:48:12.512
- And so what i wanna learn to do is comply
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- With the instructions i've been given.
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- I wanna yield to the king.
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- I wanna cooperate.
- 00:48:19.720 --> 00:48:21.755
- I'm grateful he gave me a mind
- 00:48:22.389 --> 00:48:23.857
- And i can think and a will and i can choose,
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- But i wanna think about god and i wanna use my will.
- 00:48:26.493 --> 00:48:29.629
- - cooperate with him, and that's a full-time job for allen.
- 00:48:30.731 --> 00:48:33.066
- - [erick] no doubt.
- 00:48:33.066 --> 00:48:34.534
- - 'cause there's a little something in me that says,
- 00:48:34.534 --> 00:48:35.836
- "well, i think, and i feel, and i want..."
- 00:48:35.836 --> 00:48:37.771
- And i have to say to that old carnal part of me,
- 00:48:37.771 --> 00:48:39.473
- "you better shut up."
- 00:48:39.473 --> 00:48:40.640
- - [erick] yeah.
- 00:48:40.640 --> 00:48:41.608
- - 'cause i've made a decision
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- And i'm gonna cooperate with the king
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- And i'm gonna think his thoughts
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- And that's my daily assignment.
- 00:48:46.646 --> 00:48:48.648
- - [erick] yeah.
- 00:48:48.648 --> 00:48:50.050
- - and it's a joy to be able to be on that journey
- 00:48:50.050 --> 00:48:51.518
- And invite others and...
- 00:48:51.518 --> 00:48:52.786
- I'm so grateful for what you're doing,
- 00:48:52.786 --> 00:48:54.187
- And now we've added charlie kirk to the lineup.
- 00:48:54.187 --> 00:48:56.023
- - yes, we have.
- 00:48:56.023 --> 00:48:57.290
- I mean, that's an all-star team, folks.
- 00:48:57.290 --> 00:48:59.326
- That's an all-star lineup.
- 00:48:59.326 --> 00:49:00.394
- Charlie kirk at 6:30 pm eastern,
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- Pastor allen 7:00 pm eastern,
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- Yours truly at 7:30 pm eastern.
- 00:49:04.398 --> 00:49:06.299
- Hey, it's almost cliche, but for such a time as this,
- 00:49:06.299 --> 00:49:09.369
- Because so much is happening,
- 00:49:09.369 --> 00:49:11.438
- And all three programs are bringing current events and news
- 00:49:11.438 --> 00:49:14.274
- From a biblical perspective.
- 00:49:14.274 --> 00:49:16.243
- Pastor allen, as you've made clear
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- Throughout our conversation,
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- Without that biblical perspective,
- 00:49:18.645 --> 00:49:20.747
- You really can't make sense
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- Of what's going on around us right now.
- 00:49:22.549 --> 00:49:24.518
- - no. i think if you try to understand the world
- 00:49:24.518 --> 00:49:26.019
- In terms of only economics
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- Or geopolitical formation or ideologies,
- 00:49:27.254 --> 00:49:31.091
- It's difficult to understand.
- 00:49:31.091 --> 00:49:32.659
- Why wouldn't we all be celebrating
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- Saving billions of dollars in our nation?
- 00:49:34.227 --> 00:49:36.530
- You know, why wouldn't we be celebrating
- 00:49:36.530 --> 00:49:38.732
- The end of fighting in ukraine?
- 00:49:38.732 --> 00:49:41.635
- I mean, these aren't political issues.
- 00:49:41.635 --> 00:49:43.103
- These are people issues.
- 00:49:43.103 --> 00:49:44.237
- - [erick] yeah.
- 00:49:44.237 --> 00:49:45.138
- - but we're not, you know,
- 00:49:45.138 --> 00:49:46.440
- We're tearing at one another and the media,
- 00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:47.974
- Watch the news and you get completely different reports.
- 00:49:47.974 --> 00:49:51.111
- I don't think you can understand that
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- Without a spiritual window.
- 00:49:52.512 --> 00:49:54.014
- - [erick] no.
- 00:49:54.014 --> 00:49:55.449
- - and if you do, your explanation falls a little flat.
- 00:49:55.449 --> 00:49:57.751
- - yeah. - you gotta have
- 00:49:57.751 --> 00:49:59.319
- The courage to say the emperor doesn't have any clothes on.
- 00:49:59.319 --> 00:50:00.087
- - [erick] so true.
- 00:50:00.087 --> 00:50:01.521
- - we've been lying about that parade for way too long.
- 00:50:01.521 --> 00:50:02.789
- - yes, we have.
- 00:50:02.789 --> 00:50:04.024
- Hey, but not you,
- 00:50:04.024 --> 00:50:05.292
- "allen jackson now" 7:00 pm eastern every night.
- 00:50:05.292 --> 00:50:06.960
- The book is "angels demons & you".
- 00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:09.129
- Pastor allen before we go, we got about a minute left.
- 00:50:09.129 --> 00:50:11.531
- Can you take us out in prayer?
- 00:50:11.531 --> 00:50:12.966
- - i would be honored.
- 00:50:12.966 --> 00:50:15.268
- Let's pray.
- 00:50:15.602 --> 00:50:17.037
- Heavenly father, i thank you
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- That you are alive and well in planet earth,
- 00:50:19.206 --> 00:50:22.642
- That you have not abandoned us.
- 00:50:22.642 --> 00:50:24.010
- You haven't stepped away from us.
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- In fact, you have called us,
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- When you looked across the span of human history,
- 00:50:27.380 --> 00:50:29.316
- And all of time you called us
- 00:50:29.316 --> 00:50:31.151
- To this unique point in the 21st century
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- When your changes are breaking forth
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- In biblical proportions.
- 00:50:35.922 --> 00:50:38.058
- And now, i pray that you would give us understanding hearts,
- 00:50:38.058 --> 00:50:40.760
- Give us eyes to see, not just to sit in church,
- 00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:43.630
- Not just to be people with a bible,
- 00:50:43.630 --> 00:50:45.966
- Not just to be people with a personal testimony.
- 00:50:45.966 --> 00:50:49.269
- May we be men and women that you can trust
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- With your purposes in this season.
- 00:50:51.938 --> 00:50:54.774
- Forgive us for when we've been distracted.
- 00:50:54.774 --> 00:50:57.210
- Lord, i pray for those today that have great needs,
- 00:50:57.210 --> 00:50:59.679
- That have physical challenges and relational challenges,
- 00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:02.616
- And they're crying out to you with desperation,
- 00:51:02.616 --> 00:51:05.385
- And your power minister to them,
- 00:51:05.385 --> 00:51:06.987
- Bring life and wholeness and health.
- 00:51:06.987 --> 00:51:09.289
- I thank you that you're a god who delights in showing mercy
- 00:51:09.289 --> 00:51:13.727
- And we receive it today.
- 00:51:13.727 --> 00:51:14.961
- In jesus' name.
- 00:51:14.961 --> 00:51:16.396
- Amen. - amen.
- 00:51:16.396 --> 00:51:17.697
- Pastor allen jackson, thank you so much.
- 00:51:17.697 --> 00:51:19.166
- This was a blast.
- 00:51:19.166 --> 00:51:20.700
- First of all, we have to do it more often, my friend.
- 00:51:20.700 --> 00:51:23.136
- Second of all, the book is "angels, demons & you".
- 00:51:23.136 --> 00:51:25.572
- You can pre-order it right now.
- 00:51:25.572 --> 00:51:26.907
- You see the qr code there on your screen.
- 00:51:26.907 --> 00:51:28.842
- Be sure to watch every night monday through friday.
- 00:51:28.842 --> 00:51:31.178
- "allen jackson now" from the nrb convention at dallas-
- 00:51:31.178 --> 00:51:35.348
- - all these new kids trying to take over everything.
- 00:51:35.348 --> 00:51:37.984
- Always trying to take over.
- 00:51:37.984 --> 00:51:39.186
- - security (laughs).
- 00:51:39.186 --> 00:51:40.520
- - hi erick. - hey my friend.
- 00:51:41.121 --> 00:51:42.689
- You may know this gentleman.
- 00:51:42.689 --> 00:51:44.424
- - hey, buddy. - behind us.
- 00:51:44.424 --> 00:51:45.392
- - how are you?
- 00:51:45.392 --> 00:51:46.693
- - just stopped by.
- 00:51:46.693 --> 00:51:47.994
- - yes, what a way to go. what a way to go out.
- 00:51:47.994 --> 00:51:50.363
- - i'll see you next time. bye-bye.
- 00:51:50.363 --> 00:51:52.032
- - for "praise".
- 00:51:52.032 --> 00:51:53.266
- God bless for matt allen, all of us at tbn.
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- God bless you.
- 00:51:55.335 --> 00:51:56.236
- We'll see you again soon.
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