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- the doj launches a grand jury investigation
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Into the russia conspiracy.
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I gotta always remember we have a different administration,
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A different kind of level of politics,
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A different kinda level of politician in office.
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'cause usually when these kind of things happen,
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You know, when someone,
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Like a director of national intelligence
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Outside of a trump administration
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Drops some sort of bombshell allegations or news,
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You know, months later, maybe you hear about it.
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Maybe you never hear about it again.
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Maybe the department of justice sits on their hands.
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Maybe they will get around to it.
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But this has been an ongoing progress
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That you could watch very quickly over the last few weeks
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Is now today attorney general pam bondi
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Has directed her staff.
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And that is right, that the doj
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Is going to launch a grand jury investigation
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Into the russia conspiracy, the russia hoax,
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However you wanna call it,
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Saying that they were planting the seeds
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That the democrats were planting the seeds
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To create that russia hoax very early on.
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This is another big moment.
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Now, no charges have been brought at this stage
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Of the investigation against any potential defendants,
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It says.
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However, that doesn't mean that won't happen
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And this is a big deal.
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I think we need to look at it from a outsider's perspective.
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Would you ever have thought you would've seen this
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From any other administration?
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- that's right.
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I think this is the turning point
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That everyone had been looking for
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Because we'd been hearing things from tulsi gabbard
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For a few weeks
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From the director of the cia, john ratcliffe.
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And a lot of it was like, you know,
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Shocking things that we assumed happened,
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But seeing it from intelligence documents
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And things like that,
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That have been declassified was shocking to see
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What the government had in their possession
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And how they framed it
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And how they decided to stage this
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As tulsi gabbard calls it years long coup.
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And then the natural thought was,
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Well, what's gonna happen about it?
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Will we ever see accountability?
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'cause that's how washington has worked for so long.
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- right. and i was on here saying, probably not.
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You know, it's kinda one of those guys
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That didn't wanna be a negative nelly over here will.
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But i've seen too much
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And i've seen how washington dc works
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And often people are not held to any sort of accountability.
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Usually names are not named
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And there are big moments that just kind of fall flat.
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But it seems like pam bondi's not doing that.
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- right.
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This is the hopeful turning point where now a prosecutor,
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We don't know the name of which us attorney
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Has been tasked with this and which is normal.
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We are getting this because a source told the media
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That this has happened,
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But that they have been tasked with
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Gathering the evidence together,
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Putting it in the proper way to then present it
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To a grand jury in the hopes to get
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And secure indictments against individuals.
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This is something that many people even question
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If it would get to this stage
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Because of things like
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The statute of limitations, et cetera.
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We'll get into all that with your dad, jay sekulow,
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Why this is an important step in the next segment.
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- yes, we will.
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He'll be joining us then.
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Jordan will be joining us later on.
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I did want to say,
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Currently as you said, will,
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This is a source that brought this
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And exclusive to fox news.
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They haven't,
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Department of justice has not said anything just yet,
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But president trump has already kind of inferred about it.
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- that's right.
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So the department of justice
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Normally does not comment on investigations.
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However, they did give one statement,
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- okay. - that just said
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That the attorney general is taking the referrals
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From the dni very seriously
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And that we will see what happens.
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But now that they're at this stage,
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This is a big turning point
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And it is moving a lot faster
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Than i think any of us ever expected it to.
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- yeah, president trump even said he is happy to hear it
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And later on on cnbc said he had nothing to do with it,
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But they deserve it.
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So that is the official statement
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Coming from president trump.
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And again, my dad, jay sekulow
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Obviously played a pivotal part in that.
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He's gonna be joining us in the next segment.
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So stay tuned. we'll be right back.
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- welcome back to "sekulow."
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We of course are going over the breaking news item
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That a grand jury is being put together
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For the russiagate conspiracy.
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This is from the,
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Or this is from the doj and from pam bondi.
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This is a big moment because again, like i said,
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Usually when you hear these kind of reports coming in,
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Even from a tulsi gabbard or a dni traditionally,
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Not tulsi specifically,
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A lot of times we've kinda become jaded
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Or we don't really think anything's gonna happen.
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But this is a big move.
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Our dad, jay sekulow,
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My dad, jay sekulow is joining us right now.
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Chief counsel of the american center for law
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And justice here, of course.
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Dad, i wanna get your update and your thoughts on this.
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- [jay sekulow] well, as you said, logan,
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This is a big move.
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It's the most important, i'd say critical move
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In holding people accountable for the wrongdoing
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That they engaged in during,
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Before president trump was president,
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While he was a candidate in 2015 and 16.
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And then of course for what they did,
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Which included everything from lying to a fisa court
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Where a doj lawyer actually changed evidence
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That was permitted to the allegations of false testimony
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To the united states congress.
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So what happens next is the grand jury
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Will be in what's called impaneled.
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And that means they will come together
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And witnesses will be called
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And evidence will be presented.
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And you know, there's a couple of lawyers
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That know a lot about this
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And that's jordan and me, both of us,
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We have both been engaged in this case from the beginning.
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We knew it was a hoax.
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The department of justice at the time knew it was a hoax
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And so did the intelligence community.
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But despite that,
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They brought these charges against, you know,
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Or brought these investigations against the president,
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Which took up almost three years of its first term.
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- well, people bring up, dad,
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What's the difference between this and traditional,
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You get campaign research going after somebody or, you know,
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Doing all the things you do
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When you are working on an election.
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Of course you have whole departments of people
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That are trying to dig up things
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Or trying to find things
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To go after that potential candidate over.
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But there's a difference between that
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And i guess complete fabrication.
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- [jay sekulow] well that and complete fabrication.
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But also, it's one thing
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If your political opponent's doing it,
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It's another if the department of justice is doing it,
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And here it was the department of justice
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Working with the clinton campaign on the steele dossier.
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We know of the communications between bruce and nelly
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Or remember that he was the number four ranked individual
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In the department of justice
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When it can't forget that for a moment.
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So when the government puts its finger on the scale,
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That's where there's illegality.
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It's not allowed to do that both constitutionally
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And statutorily.
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So this will be an important investigation.
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We need to caution everybody.
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These things move at a regular pace,
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They're not expedited.
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But this is important.
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And the aclj has a unique role here and that is,
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We know a lot of the evidence
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Because we were the lawyers at the time
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And there's way for us to supplement,
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Get information out,
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Not just on air, but legally as well.
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And we will be looking at all of those options.
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And that's why it's so important for our members
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Who are celebrating this month, 35 years of victory
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To let's get another victory.
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We're on the beginning stages
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Of what could be the ultimate victory
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As far as this politicization
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Of the department of justice goes.
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- and when you look at one,
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The way that pam bondi with the doj is handling this,
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They accepted a criminal referral
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From the director of national intelligence
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As well as from the cia.
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They task people with it.
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They're going through the regular channels.
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They're not all of a sudden just blowing up the system,
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Trying to make something completely different,
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Which is what happened before.
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But a lot of people will also maybe looking at this
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And thinking, you know,
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Why is it so important now
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That there be accountability,
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That the truth does come out?
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And i think it ties directly in
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With the work that the aclj has done
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Throughout its course
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And that is protecting the republic,
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Protecting the constitution.
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That if the truth doesn't come out about this,
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I think it's very damaging to the future of the republic
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And the way that our government operates.
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I just wanna get your take on that.
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- [jay sekulow] yeah. it's just,
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It's not just that this has happened,
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And this was bad, and it shouldn't happen again.
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And it actually interfered
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With the article two functions of the presidency.
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Remember i was involved in,
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I think it was ended up being four cases
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For the president at the supreme court of the united states
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Dealing with all of these issues of the government coming in
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And remember congress subpoenaing his personal records
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And we were successful in that.
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And the court saying you had to meet
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A very high standard, which they had not met.
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But the end result is,
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And i think this is what's important.
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The activities that took place
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Interfered with the president's capacity to govern
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Or certainly made it more difficult
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And that's what we can't have in a constitutional republic.
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And that's why people that do this
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Have to be held accountable,
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So that the next group doesn't think about interfering
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With the presidential election,
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'cause they don't like that candidate.
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- we're already starting to see
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Some of the usual suspects in the more mainstream
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And left media say that, you know, this is a waste of time
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Or that they're mischaracterizing this one,
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We know that that's not true.
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But even, we're starting to see some,
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And i saw it on "morning joe" this morning
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Where they said that
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This is so highly irregular that we know about this.
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But the reality of this is that,
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One, this is a source saying that
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There's a grand jury investigation.
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This wasn't a press release from the department of justice.
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We don't know who the prosecutor is.
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We don't even know the targets.
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How many times during the the trump years
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Did we get news that there was a grand jury empaneled?
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So we're seeing this shock from the left all of a sudden
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Because their narrative is crumbling.
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But in reality it appears the department of justice
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Is taking this very seriously
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And doing it through the proper and necessary channels.
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- [jay sekulow] well, here's the proper necessary channels.
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There was a referral from the dni,
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Our former colleague tulsi gabbard.
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There was a referral from our friend and former,
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Now current ci director john ratcliffe.
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He was a member of congress,
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He was on our impeachment team.
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So we've got a long history with him
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And they made a referral to the department of justice.
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The department of justice
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Then looks at the information that's gathered
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And they take it to a grand jury.
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I was in the,
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I think it was the space and science museum
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Or one of the museums of washington dc
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When there was a phone call i got from the press,
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We've heard there's been three panel,
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Grand juries in paneled,
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One in florida, one in california,
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And one in new york against the president.
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And they were leaking this stuff out all over the place.
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So look, i mean, this is washington, things get out,
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But at the end of the day,
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What's important here is this is the beginning
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Of the first phase of holding people accountable
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For actions they took, which damaged the republic.
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- dad, i wanna take this call bill from wyoming
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Who's watching on aclj.org.
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He's got a question.
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I think you'd have the expertise to answer.
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Bill, go ahead.
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- [bill] yeah, thanks for taking my call.
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I appreciate you giving my monthly donations
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To help you guys out. - thank you so much.
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- [bill] i served on a couple of jury duties
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And i understand how that works.
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But how do they assemble the members for a grand jury,
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Especially in this case, you know, in washington dc?
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- [jay sekulow] yeah, so it's a little bit different
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Than what you experienced in a jury
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Where you were in a room with a lot of people
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And they do this and the lawyers ask questions,
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It's not that.
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You are asked to participate,
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Summoned basically to serve on a grand jury.
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You get a notice,
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Like you got your notice to serve on a jury.
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The difference is,
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It's then not up to the lawyers
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As to whether you're qualified or not.
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There will be a presiding judge
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That supervises the grand jury.
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Remember the burden of proof
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And the grand jury to get
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A indictment issued is only probable cause.
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But to prove it at trial,
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It has to be beyond a reasonable doubt
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With the different standard when it goes to trial.
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But that's how it works.
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So it'll be a grand jury of peers,
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A grand jury of citizens
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Of whatever district they decide to bring the grand jury in.
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- yeah. bill, thanks for your call.
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And dad, as we wrap up this segment,
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I did give, wanna give you a minute,
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'cause we've pivoted from the 35 years of justice drive,
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Which of course was talking about
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All of what we were doing
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And what we are gonna be doing in the future.
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But now we are celebrating this month.
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This month i wanted to make sure
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We're developing this whole program.
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I said, you know what, we're not looking back.
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We're not talking enough about the big victories
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That really have not only shaped the work of the aclj,
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But have shaped the world in general,
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Have shaped the united states and around the world,
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Thanks to people like you
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And our team here for the last 35 years.
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- [jay sekulow] well, the work is ongoing,
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It's more complex,
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It's different, you know, you change over time.
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Nothing is static in the law or in the cases that we take.
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We had the unique experience
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Of representing president of the united states,
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Government leaders abroad,
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As well as the people that listened to this broadcast
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That had a child in school
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That was put in a very compromising situation
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With a speech that she was required to give.
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And we went to court.
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The same lawyers that represented president trump
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Represented that student.
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And i think about the overturning of roe versus wade
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And the change that that's made.
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But look, the battle continues
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And we have to be aggressive here.
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And that means not only exposing the truth,
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But also changing or modifying the law
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As it relates to religious freedom and free speech.
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And when i say modify the law,
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Make sure we're standing up for the first amendment.
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Those cases don't change as, like i said,
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It's more complicated now.
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We've got a great team in place,
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A great group of young people coming up in leadership.
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(upbeat music)
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(upbeat music)
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(upbeat music)
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- my dad was just on, so if you miss that,
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Go listen to that later on.
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And my brother's gonna be joining us in just a few minutes,
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So make sure to stay tuned for that.
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Now, will we were talking in the break
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That you wanted to go over
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A bit of how the media's covering all of this.
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- that's right.
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Because the media so desperately wants this administration
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To be authoritarians.
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That they're dictators,
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That they throw out the constitution.
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- yeah. - but in reality
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- [logan] i've heard those words.
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- what you've seen is that they are going by the law
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And they're actually trying to expose and hold accountable
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Those that did the very thing
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They're accusing president trump of doing,
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Using the executive power
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And executive branches and intelligence agencies
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To try and get after their opponents
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And ruin their careers, ruin their lives
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And put them in jail,
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Hamper their ability to govern.
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That's what they did.
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And now that the truth is coming out
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And now that we're seeing the actual documents,
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They are trying to spin this so desperately.
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And this is a clip from "morning joe."
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I referenced it earlier with your dad,
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But i just, it was so crazy to me
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How much spin they're trying to put on this
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About how bad this is
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That we're finally about to see some accountability
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And that we're hoping we see accountability.
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This is from david rohde, he was on "morning joe,"
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He was talking with willie geist
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And he's the senior executive editor
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On national security for nbc news.
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And i want you to hear what he has to say
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And then i'm gonna break it down for you.
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But this is bite seven.
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- we don't know what the crimes are that are alleged here.
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We don't know who is being targeted
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And we don't know where this grand jury will sit.
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And all of that's, you know, very concerning.
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Normally in the, you know,
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Prosecution process in this country,
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No one's is indicted,
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No investigation is announced,
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Or anyone is indicted before a grand jury has heard evidence
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And a fellow citizen decides
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This other citizen should be charged with a crime.
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Here we have an approach where there's sort of a, you know,
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The director of national intelligence
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Makes a sweeping allegation
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Potentially that the former president of the united states
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Was involved in a treasonous plot.
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And then you have the attorney general announcing that
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She is launching a criminal investigation of this plot.
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But again, we don't know the charges,
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We don't know where they're gonna investigate
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Or who it's going to be.
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- here's why this is so disingenuous to me.
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You see at the beginning says,
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We don't know what the crimes are that are alleged here.
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We don't know who's being targeted
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And we don't know where this grand jury will sit.
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And all of that's very concerning.
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Then he goes on to say
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That the normal process is,
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You wouldn't know what the alleged crimes are,
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Who the alleged targets of the investigation are,
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Or where the grand jury is gonna sit.
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So he's saying that that's the normal process,
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But because that's the normal process
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That's concerning to him.
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He also goes on to talk about
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Director of national intelligence,
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Who laid out the evidence to the american people,
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But also did a criminal referral
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To the department of justice.
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All that is very normal process.
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And then what did the doj do?
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They accepted the criminal referral
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And they started looking into it.
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This news about the grand jury investigation
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Isn't something that they put a press release out about,
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It's a source told fox news.
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How many times over the last four years, eight years,
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Your entire lifetime,
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Have you seen articles that are written
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Because a source told them
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A grand jury's been empaneled,
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Or a criminal referral has happened?
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That is par for the course out of washington dc.
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But they are in such a tailspin right now
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Because things that they wrote
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And got pulitzer prizes about,
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The lies that they perpetrated
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On the american people for years
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And that they took his gospel truth,
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That russia and president trump colluded together
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No matter what any of the special counsel said,
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No matter what anyone after their reports put out,
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No matter all the clearing of wrongdoing
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On the president's campaign back in 2016,
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They still believe this lie.
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And if something happens that chips away at their truth,
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They're going into a tailspin.
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And that's what the problem is.
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They don't care about the truth,
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They care about their truth,
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Which was a lie from the beginning.
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- we can take some calls and comments as well,
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My brother jordan sekulow joining will and i
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In the studio as these are big moments,
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We need to make sure that we tell you all about
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Because you have been pushing,
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And i've been pushing,
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And we've been talking about the fact that
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It seems like when there were these criminal referrals,
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We kind of go back to a james comey kind of universe.
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We go back to a universe where referrals happen
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And that means nothing's gonna happen.
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And now we have a very different administration,
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We have to keep reminding ourselves
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That we have a different group of people that are in there
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That are taking these things seriously.
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Now whether they end up developing
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To something more than this,
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Who knows, but at least we're taking that next step,
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Which is getting a similar grand jury.
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- listen, if this was a republican kind of,
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If they were going after
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Republican executive branch officials,
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There would be no problem in getting indictments.
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No problem.
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But because these are leftist actors,
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The location of the grand jury,
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Which shouldn't be important in our system of rule of law,
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Could be very important.
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And i don't wanna put too much weight into that
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Because some of that,
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It will come down to the evidence that is presented.
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And again, evidence can be used in grand juries,
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That's not allowed in court.
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It's a very different process.
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That's why they use the,
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You can indict a ham sandwich in a grand jury.
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It's just a different process.
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But this is action,
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This is not just talking about,
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This is not just writing a report or investigation,
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But remember when john durham went to that grand jury,
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Was not as easy to indict as a ham sandwich.
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And he had trouble,
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That was in washington dc
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And then in delaware as well.
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So i think what we have to see here is
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A little bit more of this kind of
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Developing grand jury information's held pretty tight.
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Ultimately we'll likely know the location
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Of the grand jury at least
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And this could lead to again,
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Very serious legal actions
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And repercussions for those who we believe
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Were at least engaged in wrongdoing.
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And then the next level is
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Does the executive branch and department of justice
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Have the evidence that they can use in court
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If they get through the grand jury stage
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And bring indictments to actually prove
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That it was not just wrongdoing but criminal wrongdoing.
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And of course there's some statute of limitations issues
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They have to get over.
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But as a lot of people have said,
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Because these are individuals
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That are still talking about the issue,
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They are still very active in the issue,
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And it's kind of ongoing in my mind
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Because we're still talking about it,
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That a lot of those statute of limitations issues,
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I think can be overcome.
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- well, and jordan as well,
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I mean even if you were to go a little bit more strict,
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Even if not like public statements
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Where they're, you know, calling out tulsi gabbard
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And saying that this is all untrue in the public eye.
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I mean, many of these individuals testified to john durham
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During that investigation under oath in 2020, 2021.
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His report didn't come out until 2023.
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So a lot of that,
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I know that john brennan spoke with him august 29th, 2020.
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So that is still within the five years
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If they were to move quickly even that,
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That would be the furtherance of a conspiracy
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Within the five years
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If he was telling untrue things
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To an investigator about this,
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Based off the evidence we have now,
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That would meet even a very strict scrutiny
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Of this five year statute of limitations, i feel like.
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- yes, this goes to the heart of what happened here
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And what we now know what happened
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Was intelligence report came out
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A few days before the president was inaugurated.
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The obama administration redid an intelligence report
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And kind of said it wasn't just russia
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That wanted to kind of disrupt our entire election
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And they didn't really care who won.
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In fact, they thought that hillary clinton was going to win.
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So if they really thought that,
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Then why on earth would you put together, you know,
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And if you wanted hillary clinton to win
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Because you didn't know who donald trump,
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Why would they deny this information?
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Why wouldn't they want this information out?
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So they changed the intelligence report
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Just days before president trump's first inauguration
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And changed it from russia
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Trying to cause havoc in our elections,
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Which would not be so shocking to donald trump
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Being an agent of russia.
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I mean, think of it, that's what this goes back to.
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That is a very serious charge made
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By the intelligence community.
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It failed in the mueller investigation,
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Cost the taxpayers tens of millions of dollars
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And we should still be talking about it today
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Because rule of law matters
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And making sure this doesn't happen again, matters as well.
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- i think we should go ahead and take some phone calls.
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There's a lot of you on hold right now.
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Let's go to gene in north carolina
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Who's listening on the,
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You're watching on the salem news channel
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Because i think, again,
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This is sort of some overall sentiment that happens
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In these situations. go ahead, gene.
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- hello sir. how are you? - good.
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- [gene] thank you.
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Thank you for doing what you do.
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I wanted to say, you know, we've been,
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The american public has been watching things
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Like this for the better part of 10 years,
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And everybody's got an opinion.
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It makes a lot of money, it's very entertaining.
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But until the public actually sees an elected official
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Convicted of a crime, put in handcuffs,
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Put in the back of a car and tow it off to prison
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For an extended term, none of this means anything.
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And it's really sad.
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I think these people should be held
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To a much higher standard.
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I think their lives should be completely transparent.
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And if they don't like that, don't run for office.
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- now most of these would be- - but if you and i
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Walked into any bank branch and we took $300,
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We would have a line of police cars behind us on the highway
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That would make the oj simpson thing pale.
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- depending on the- - right.
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- depends, think it's a $900 threshold in some cities,
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California though.
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- and take things.
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- some these cities like take what you want.
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It's fine, you know?
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- go to your local pharmacy. take it.
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- [logan] right, right, right.
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- but the truth is,
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The people who are going to be looked at the closest here,
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There will be some elected officials, yes,
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Are going to be political appointees.
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So they are separate than just government bureaucrats.
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They are the next tier down. - the team that was-
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- these were selected by the president of the united states.
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That president being president obama,
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Always tougher to get to the president
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And get to elected officials.
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But listen, they did it to donald trump.
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I mean, let's not forget that.
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So i don't think, it's not a tit for tat.
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It's not like we're saying we are gonna do this
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Because you did this to donald trump.
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It's because we don't want this to happen again.
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If we have to have trust in our intelligence community,
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Trust in our law enforcement community at the federal level,
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This cannot be business as usual.
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And so moving forward with this grand jury
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And moving forward potentially with indictments,
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I think could put a,
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Make people feel a lot better about our political process,
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At least not being corrupted from within,
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So that the bad guys who are trying to maybe impact
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And cause chaos during our elections,
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That they're the ones that our law enforcement
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And intelligence agencies are focusing on
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Are not people running for office.
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But the key here is real actions being taken,
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Action that could not be taken by,
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Well was not gonna be taken by the biden administration.
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So this is really the first chance the trump administration
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And or a republican administration has had
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To try and bring those accountable to justice.
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Can update you on the most important issues of the day.
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Sekulow - Key Officials Face Full Power of DOJ

August 20, 2025 | S1 E813 | 28:50

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