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Understanding God's plan for rest can help us find healing; restoration; and renewal even in the midst of a storm. | TBN Prayer Line: 1-888-731-1000

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Better Together LIVE | Episode 114

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  • - You probably remember thatstory in the New Testament
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  • about a ferocious storm kickingup in the sea of Galilee
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  • and during that storm
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  • when the disciples were soworried about the storm,
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  • Jesus was actuallyasleep in the boat.
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  • All too often we'relike the disciples.
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  • We get so battered bycircumstantial storms,
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  • by grief and burnout andeven legitimate pain.
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  • These are the timeswhen we need the rest
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  • that Christ emulated the most.
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  • God's formula forrest can set us free,
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  • no matter what we'rewalking through
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  • and it can heal our souls.
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  • Come on, let's talkabout it together.
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  • (uplifting music)
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  • - You know, I remember whenI was in my early twenties,
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  • we were running a communitybased youth center
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  • and things were going awesome.
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  • I was traveling allaround Australia,
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  • speaking in schools,
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  • we were running eventsfor young people
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  • and doing just a lotof seminars in schools
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  • and I was going goinggoing going and you go,
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  • what's the differencebetween you're going now
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  • and you're going then?
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  • But something quiteprofound happened to me then
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  • that I think set me up and setup a good pattern in my life.
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  • I was going so hard and Icould tell the Holy Spirit
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  • was trying to speak tome about certain things
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  • and back then,
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  • and you've gotta go back,
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  • you know, a coupleof decades ago,
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  • nobody really talkedabout things like abuse
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  • and things like trauma andbrokenness like we do today.
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  • So, here I was,
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  • this kid saved,
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  • filled with the HolySpirit on fire for God,
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  • full of gift and talent,
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  • full of purpose running ata hundred miles an hour,
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  • but still, I guess if you couldsee me in the spirit realm,
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  • I was probably likethis gaping wound
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  • that was still seeping,
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  • there was so much brokennessbecause I'd encountered,
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  • you know, many many yearsof sexual abuse growing up.
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  • There was abandonment,
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  • adoption in my backgroundin a really negative way.
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  • I listened toRebekah and Lisa talk
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  • about your adoptive babiesand it just makes me so happy
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  • and I'm thinking theexact opposite of that
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  • was how my process was.
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  • I didn't even knowuntil very late in life
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  • that I was even adopted
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  • and so there was a lot of issuesof brokenness in my heart.
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  • Now, because I hadno understanding
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  • of the connectionbetween the spiritual
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  • and the psychological and thesoul realm and the emotional,
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  • but I could tell internally
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  • there was justsomething not right.
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  • I thought you made itright by doing more.
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  • So like, if I wouldjust run harder for God,
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  • if I would justrun faster for God,
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  • if we would just openmore youth centers,
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  • obviously that's wherethe blessing of God is,
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  • it's on all thisstuff that I'm doing,
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  • so my intentionswere good, I think,
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  • you know, truly I'veoften thought about it.
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  • I thought, you know was I,
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  • I'm sure there wasflesh in it all,
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  • but by and large it was,
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  • I really wantedpeople to know Jesus,
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  • but because I was sobroken on the inside
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  • and I didn't knowhow to trust God
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  • and I didn't know what todo with the woundedness.
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  • I mean, in those days,
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  • I wouldn't have evenknown how to name
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  • that brokenness andwoundedness to be honest.
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  • I just kept running.
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  • Well, I ran so hardthat eventually,
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  • you know, when there'sa disparity betweenyour inner world
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  • and your outer world,
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  • your world's gonna collapsesomewhere along the line
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  • and definitely physicallymy body collapsed
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  • and literally for six weeks,
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  • I ended up flat on my backand it was a nervous anxiety,
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  • stress related thing,
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  • that just, I could not move,
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  • like I literally could not move
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  • and I'm certainly notsaying the Lord caused that,
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  • the Lord didn't cause it,
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  • I caused it becauseI kept going,
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  • so it was very much my ownstuff that made it happen,
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  • but what it did do wasit forced me to stop,
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  • it forced me insuch a dramatic way.
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  • Perhaps COVID has beenlike that for a few people,
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  • like right now it's likethis enforced stopping
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  • and what I thoughtinitially was,
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  • how is everythinggonna go forward?
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  • Well, everything did continueto go forward really well,
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  • it advanced, but what itgave God the opportunity
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  • because I wasfinally still enough,
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  • God brought some reallywise people into my life
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  • and we began a process ofinner healing and counseling
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  • and I would say thatis where the foundation
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  • of so much of mystrength in Christ,
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  • faith in Christ,
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  • trust in Christ actuallywas rooted and grounded
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  • in that period of where Ihad just been forced to stop.
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  • I thank God that it happenedin my early twenties,
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  • which is why I've beenable to continue running
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  • now in my fifties,
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  • because it would have beena lot more destructive,
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  • because it would haveimpacted a lot more people
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  • further down the track ifit happened decades later
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  • as my influence grew.
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  • I say all that to go
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  • that the scripture tellsus in Hebrews chapter four,
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  • that what we should do is labor
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  • to enter into a placeof rest and sometimes,
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  • you know, what does that mean?
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  • Do I go and take six weeks off
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  • and go to Santorinion the Greek islands?
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  • And well if you can do that,
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  • do that as well,
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  • but that's not whatthis particular textis talking about.
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  • Actually, it's talkingabout the children of Israel
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  • that came out of Egypt andthey were in the wilderness,
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  • what happened was the Biblesays they died in the wilderness
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  • because they never enteredinto that place of rest.
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  • Yes, Canaan andthe promised land
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  • was the physical land ofpromise and milk and honey,
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  • but they never got toa place of rest in God
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  • because they neverultimately trusted Him
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  • and that is that placewhere we come back to the,
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  • you can have all the milkand honey in the world,
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  • but if you're not trusting God,
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  • you're never gonna rest,
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  • you never really findthat Sabbath place.
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  • You can be achieving,
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  • like I did.
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  • I was externallyextremely successful
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  • in our ministry inAustralia back then,
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  • but internally I was dying,
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  • I wasn't resting becauseI didn't know what to do
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  • with all of this brokennessand this woundedness
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  • and God said,
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  • I actually want youto bring it to me
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  • because I'm goingto heal you there,
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  • I'm going to bring nourishment
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  • and the differencebetween then and now
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  • is now I probably run toGod much much quicker.
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  • The first hint of something,
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  • if I'm in my quiet time,
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  • I could tell you yesterday,
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  • this is as soon as,
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  • I'm gonna be 54 next week,
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  • I had a Ramerrevelation yesterday
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  • that was as dramatic as anything
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  • that I've had in mytwenties or thirties
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  • and I know it will go down
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  • as one of my top 10 things inmy life of God speaking to me.
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  • Something just out ofnowhere where I'm like,
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  • I saw a direct link tosomething in my brokenness
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  • in my past that I know isgonna bring a deeper healing
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  • in my life now and cause morefruitfulness in the future.
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  • Now, if I wasn'tstill yesterday,
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  • if I wasn't in thatplace with God,
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  • I would have missed thatmoment of revelation
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  • that actually brings me intoa deeper place of rest in Him.
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  • What externallyyou might all see
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  • is a whole lot morefruitfulness in A21
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  • and Propel and all of that,
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  • but I'm telling you,
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  • it's directlyconnected to entering
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  • into that placeof rest in Christ.
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  • - I love that you're so,
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  • you know, honestabout that story,
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  • you know, your journey
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  • and I think that there areso many people watching
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  • and you know,
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  • me included andwe all have that,
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  • those places in oursoul that are damaged,
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  • that are broken and sometimesrest is being still,
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  • so that God can dowhat He wants to do,
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  • so that we can run further anddo more and accomplish more,
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  • but there's this fearsometimes, right?
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  • Of, you know,
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  • taking that thosemoments to be still
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  • and actually tobe honest, right?
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  • Just to be honest.
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  • you know, Lisa youstarted us off with,
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  • at some point in this,
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  • with just the story ofJesus in that storm, right?
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  • So, when I think about that,
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  • those verses, there arecouple of things for me,
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  • like it actuallysays in the scripture
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  • that He lays Hishead on a cushion,
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  • you know, you cantake a nap sometimes
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  • and it's just likeyou're leaning
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  • against something like casually.
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  • No, but He was going to sleep,
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  • He had a pillow,
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  • like He was going to sleep sleep
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  • and then there's a stormraging and He's still,
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  • you know, asleep sleep
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  • and at rest even in themidst of all of the chaos
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  • that's going on around Him
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  • and so for me I started thinking
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  • there've beenseasons for me when,
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  • you know, years and years ago
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  • when I battled cancermyself and then, you know,
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  • few years ago when Philipwent through cancer
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  • and then all the, you know,
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  • just the betrayal of people,
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  • that honestly is harder for me,
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  • I think then,
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  • because I'm sucha people person,
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  • so the hurt frompeople and the storm
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  • that was raging inmy own soul from that
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  • and doubting, you know,
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  • me and I just remembersitting on my,
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  • you know, couchand you know just,
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  • I was being still,
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  • but my soul was broken,
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  • my soul was hurt,
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  • all the stuff coming at me.
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  • So, here I am and I,
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  • in that story withJesus, you know,
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  • He's laying asleepon the cushion
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  • and then when thedisciples freak out,
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  • He confronts themand says, you know,
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  • basically don'tyou have any faith?
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  • And the thing isHe wasn't saying,
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  • don't you have faithin this abstract God?
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  • He was saying,
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  • don't you have faith in me?
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  • Here I am.
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  • I'm right here.- Right.
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  • - And so for me, you know,
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  • in the middle of just that storm
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  • where I dealt withthe hurts from people
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  • and then mostrecently, you know,
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  • Phillip and I bothdealt with COVID
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  • and I just thought ifthe storm is raging
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  • and I felt the spirit ofGod and I'm freaking out
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  • and I felt Jesus say to me,
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  • don't you havefaith in me Holly?
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  • I'm here, I'm right here
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  • and so I think that's thejourney for me, certainly,
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  • but I think for a lot of people,
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  • maybe a lot of youwatching, you know,
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  • as the storm is raging andit's raging all around us
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  • in our country andaround the world,
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  • storm is raging and I don'tthink Jesus is saying,
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  • we're gonna get rest by havingfaith in some abstract God,
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  • He's saying, havefaith in me, right?
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  • Your rest is only gonna come
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  • with a reallygenuine faith in me.
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  • So that's, you know,
  • 00:10:47.093 --> 00:10:48.527
  • just knowing that even recentlyjust being reminded again,
  • 00:10:48.527 --> 00:10:52.064
  • that the only waylike Christine,
  • 00:10:52.064 --> 00:10:53.566
  • I'm gonna deal with thebrokenness in my own soul
  • 00:10:53.566 --> 00:10:56.168
  • is by having a genuinefaith in Jesus.
  • 00:10:56.168 --> 00:11:00.172
  • - Absolutely, I love the stories
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  • that both of youshared Holly and Chris
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  • and I can totallyrelate to that.
  • 00:11:04.977 --> 00:11:07.213
  • I remember a time whereI was forced to rest.
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  • I was going going going
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  • and it was only so much
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  • before my body waslike, you're done
  • 00:11:14.787 --> 00:11:17.089
  • and it was earlyon in our marriage
  • 00:11:17.089 --> 00:11:19.825
  • and at the time I was working
  • 00:11:19.825 --> 00:11:21.327
  • probably 45, 50 hours a week.
  • 00:11:21.327 --> 00:11:24.897
  • Monday through Fridayas a physical therapist
  • 00:11:24.897 --> 00:11:26.966
  • and then I was serving atchurch on the worship team.
  • 00:11:26.966 --> 00:11:29.702
  • We had like sixservices back then
  • 00:11:29.702 --> 00:11:31.403
  • and soundchecks and everything
  • 00:11:31.403 --> 00:11:32.671
  • and I was serving forabout 10 to 12 hours,
  • 00:11:32.671 --> 00:11:34.473
  • almost every single weekend
  • 00:11:34.473 --> 00:11:35.875
  • and it was just acrazy pace of life
  • 00:11:35.875 --> 00:11:38.944
  • and eventually I developedsomething called vocal nodules,
  • 00:11:38.944 --> 00:11:43.449
  • where it was like calluseson my vocal chords
  • 00:11:43.449 --> 00:11:46.952
  • and outside of surgery,
  • 00:11:46.952 --> 00:11:48.721
  • the more conservativetreatment was to do vocal rest
  • 00:11:48.721 --> 00:11:51.490
  • for like 30 days,
  • 00:11:51.490 --> 00:11:52.458
  • meaning I couldn't talk,
  • 00:11:52.458 --> 00:11:53.459
  • couldn't sing, doing whatever.
  • 00:11:53.459 --> 00:11:55.161
  • Well, that's a problem whenyou are a physical therapist
  • 00:11:55.161 --> 00:11:58.297
  • and so I ended up havingto take a leave of absence
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  • from work 'causeI couldn't talk.
  • 00:12:01.066 --> 00:12:02.868
  • I ended up having to stepdown from the worship team
  • 00:12:02.868 --> 00:12:06.238
  • 'cause I couldn't singand it was like a month,
  • 00:12:06.238 --> 00:12:08.440
  • almost two months before Iwent back to even doing that
  • 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:12.044
  • and it was a time where Ifelt like I had been stripped
  • 00:12:12.044 --> 00:12:15.147
  • of everything and literallyI had no option but to rest
  • 00:12:15.147 --> 00:12:19.718
  • and I came to a pointwhere I was like,
  • 00:12:19.718 --> 00:12:21.787
  • something has to change,
  • 00:12:21.787 --> 00:12:23.222
  • I can't keep going at this pace
  • 00:12:23.222 --> 00:12:26.058
  • and that was when the Lordwas kind of showing me
  • 00:12:26.058 --> 00:12:28.127
  • these rhythms of rest.
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  • If you will,
  • 00:12:30.129 --> 00:12:31.330
  • that rest really doesrefresh our souls.
  • 00:12:31.330 --> 00:12:33.833
  • I love what Jesus says,
  • 00:12:33.833 --> 00:12:35.067
  • it's in Matthew11:28 when He says,
  • 00:12:35.067 --> 00:12:36.936
  • come to me all who laborand are heavy laden
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  • and I will give you rest.
  • 00:12:39.238 --> 00:12:41.407
  • Like He has,
  • 00:12:41.407 --> 00:12:42.908
  • just such this beautifulinvitation for usto come and rest
  • 00:12:42.908 --> 00:12:45.578
  • and sometimes we don'ttake Him up on that.
  • 00:12:45.578 --> 00:12:48.848
  • The thing is though,
  • 00:12:48.848 --> 00:12:49.782
  • but when we rest,
  • 00:12:49.782 --> 00:12:51.250
  • it helps us to realignour priorities.
  • 00:12:51.250 --> 00:12:53.519
  • When we realign our priorities,
  • 00:12:53.519 --> 00:12:55.421
  • it helps us toreignite our passion
  • 00:12:55.421 --> 00:12:57.323
  • and so if I findmyself in this season
  • 00:12:57.323 --> 00:13:00.159
  • of like feeling unmotivated,feeling overwhelmed,
  • 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:03.762
  • feeling quick to anger,
  • 00:13:03.762 --> 00:13:05.164
  • like anytime somethingdoesn't feel right in my life,
  • 00:13:05.164 --> 00:13:07.867
  • something feels off,
  • 00:13:07.867 --> 00:13:09.401
  • a lot of that isbecause I need to rest.
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  • I need rest to behealing for my soul,
  • 00:13:12.371 --> 00:13:15.908
  • for my body,
  • 00:13:15.908 --> 00:13:16.942
  • for my spirit
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  • and that's when I know it'stime to kind of do that.
  • 00:13:18.410 --> 00:13:21.647
  • - I love that you talkabout resting and rhythm
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  • because I think for all of us,
  • 00:13:24.516 --> 00:13:26.652
  • it is like that.
  • 00:13:26.652 --> 00:13:27.953
  • It's, there's aseason of running hard
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  • and then there'sa season of rest
  • 00:13:30.189 --> 00:13:31.690
  • and then, how does restlook daily in rhythm?
  • 00:13:31.690 --> 00:13:35.294
  • How does it lookweekly in rhythm?
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  • How does it workannually in rhythm?
  • 00:13:36.929 --> 00:13:39.398
  • I had to get honest with this
  • 00:13:39.398 --> 00:13:40.733
  • with myself overthe last decade,
  • 00:13:40.733 --> 00:13:42.234
  • because this really began
  • 00:13:42.234 --> 00:13:43.802
  • when I had panicattacks a decade ago,
  • 00:13:43.802 --> 00:13:47.206
  • we had just moved to New York
  • 00:13:47.206 --> 00:13:48.540
  • and within about four months,
  • 00:13:48.540 --> 00:13:49.775
  • I had my first one on a flight.
  • 00:13:49.775 --> 00:13:51.810
  • Then it was continuedon planes, trains,
  • 00:13:51.810 --> 00:13:54.380
  • elevators, subways and crowds.
  • 00:13:54.380 --> 00:13:55.981
  • So, all of a sudden I'm always
  • 00:13:55.981 --> 00:13:58.984
  • and it was rootedin claustrophobia,
  • 00:13:58.984 --> 00:14:00.619
  • this kind of metaphor forfeeling trapped and you know,
  • 00:14:00.619 --> 00:14:04.456
  • a space or a place or asituation or a circumstance
  • 00:14:04.456 --> 00:14:08.027
  • and after about a year of that,
  • 00:14:08.027 --> 00:14:11.063
  • I just kept hearingthis idea of that,
  • 00:14:11.063 --> 00:14:13.132
  • when Jesus says,
  • 00:14:13.132 --> 00:14:13.966
  • come into my rest,
  • 00:14:13.966 --> 00:14:15.901
  • it's this idea thatrest requires pursuit.
  • 00:14:15.901 --> 00:14:19.838
  • There were seasons in that timewhere I was just crying out,
  • 00:14:19.838 --> 00:14:22.341
  • like God save me, help me,
  • 00:14:22.341 --> 00:14:24.076
  • but I realized it actuallywould take some rhythms of rest
  • 00:14:24.076 --> 00:14:27.813
  • that I had to pursue.
  • 00:14:27.813 --> 00:14:29.315
  • I had to be willing anddiligent and draw near to Him
  • 00:14:29.315 --> 00:14:33.085
  • because when He says,
  • 00:14:33.085 --> 00:14:34.086
  • are you tired,
  • 00:14:34.086 --> 00:14:34.920
  • burned out on religion?
  • 00:14:34.920 --> 00:14:36.422
  • Come get away with me andyou'll recover your life
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  • and you'll findrest for your soul.
  • 00:14:38.757 --> 00:14:40.926
  • So, it still requiresus to come to Him,
  • 00:14:40.926 --> 00:14:43.662
  • it requires us to pursue Him,
  • 00:14:43.662 --> 00:14:45.864
  • to go like, I want to beout of this spin cycle
  • 00:14:45.864 --> 00:14:48.667
  • and this rat race of feelingpulled left and right,
  • 00:14:48.667 --> 00:14:52.838
  • but it does mean we haveto set our intention to Him
  • 00:14:52.838 --> 00:14:56.375
  • and when He says, you know,
  • 00:14:56.375 --> 00:14:57.876
  • seek first the kingdom andthe rest will be added,
  • 00:14:57.876 --> 00:15:01.647
  • I know He means therest of the things,
  • 00:15:01.647 --> 00:15:03.582
  • but sometimes Iwant to think, no,
  • 00:15:03.582 --> 00:15:04.817
  • that means the actualrest will be added.
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  • We will have more rest in ourlives when we seek Him first
  • 00:15:06.652 --> 00:15:09.455
  • and we seek his kingdom
  • 00:15:09.455 --> 00:15:11.390
  • and then also when He says,
  • 00:15:11.390 --> 00:15:12.958
  • He's a rewarder of thosewho diligently seek Him
  • 00:15:12.958 --> 00:15:16.061
  • that God rewards us when wepursue Him in rest and so,
  • 00:15:16.061 --> 00:15:19.999
  • because He says,
  • 00:15:19.999 --> 00:15:20.833
  • come into my rest,
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  • He is our,
  • 00:15:22.167 --> 00:15:23.502
  • He is rest.- [Lisa] Yeah.
  • 00:15:23.502 --> 00:15:25.804
  • - We find rest for our soul
  • 00:15:25.804 --> 00:15:27.639
  • and so as a result,
  • 00:15:27.639 --> 00:15:28.874
  • I realized I had to bea lot more intentional,
  • 00:15:28.874 --> 00:15:31.243
  • like Lisa mentioned yesterday
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  • about recreating theserhythms of renewal
  • 00:15:32.644 --> 00:15:35.314
  • that would bring healing
  • 00:15:35.314 --> 00:15:36.749
  • that would maintain thissustain emotional, spiritual,
  • 00:15:36.749 --> 00:15:41.620
  • relational andvocational health,
  • 00:15:42.755 --> 00:15:44.223
  • knowing that you can'tpress the gas on all four
  • 00:15:44.223 --> 00:15:46.592
  • of those categoriesat the same time,
  • 00:15:46.592 --> 00:15:48.260
  • that God actually invitesyou into that cadence,
  • 00:15:48.260 --> 00:15:51.130
  • which is rhythm.
  • 00:15:51.130 --> 00:15:52.097
  • It's how God operates, you know,
  • 00:15:52.097 --> 00:15:53.932
  • evening and morning, days,
  • 00:15:53.932 --> 00:15:55.834
  • weeks, months, years,
  • 00:15:55.834 --> 00:15:57.269
  • heartbeat, pulse likeeverything that God creates
  • 00:15:57.269 --> 00:15:59.671
  • that's new lifehappens in rhythm
  • 00:15:59.671 --> 00:16:01.640
  • and so I love the idea thatrhythms are made to renew us.
  • 00:16:01.640 --> 00:16:05.444
  • Renewal means to make newagain and again and again.
  • 00:16:05.444 --> 00:16:08.614
  • In fact, the definition ofrenewal is to make alive
  • 00:16:08.614 --> 00:16:12.584
  • and revive spirituallythrough the Holy Spirit
  • 00:16:12.584 --> 00:16:15.754
  • and so that's whatGod is doing for us
  • 00:16:15.754 --> 00:16:18.023
  • when He invitesus into this rest
  • 00:16:18.023 --> 00:16:19.992
  • and I love everyone's examples
  • 00:16:19.992 --> 00:16:22.227
  • of how we kind ofstumble into this.
  • 00:16:22.227 --> 00:16:24.229
  • Sometimes it's withthe best of intentions,
  • 00:16:24.229 --> 00:16:26.832
  • we go after the calland the assignment
  • 00:16:26.832 --> 00:16:28.634
  • that God puts on our heart andwe have the best intentions,
  • 00:16:28.634 --> 00:16:32.404
  • but yet we can still get running
  • 00:16:32.404 --> 00:16:34.273
  • to a point offatigue and burnout
  • 00:16:34.273 --> 00:16:36.542
  • and so this reminder of rhythm,
  • 00:16:36.542 --> 00:16:39.344
  • of knowing when to pause,
  • 00:16:39.344 --> 00:16:41.280
  • when to retreat,
  • 00:16:41.280 --> 00:16:42.648
  • when to come backand receive His rest,
  • 00:16:42.648 --> 00:16:45.851
  • that's the kind of anchoringthat I'm looking for
  • 00:16:45.851 --> 00:16:49.221
  • and I love all of youguys on this panel.
  • 00:16:49.221 --> 00:16:51.824
  • I'm listening to you and I'mthinking about like Chris,
  • 00:16:51.824 --> 00:16:56.328
  • you are like legendaryand saying like,
  • 00:16:56.328 --> 00:16:59.665
  • I want to run thisrace of endurance,
  • 00:16:59.665 --> 00:17:02.000
  • like I want to stillbe able to minister
  • 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:05.671
  • knowing that that only happensthrough this rhythmic rest,
  • 00:17:05.671 --> 00:17:10.275
  • this rhythmic renewal,
  • 00:17:10.275 --> 00:17:12.311
  • this cadence with God whereHe invites us in to be still,
  • 00:17:12.311 --> 00:17:15.747
  • He invites us in to go
  • 00:17:15.747 --> 00:17:17.316
  • and I've seen this modeledso beautifully in each of you
  • 00:17:17.316 --> 00:17:20.652
  • and it's a joy becauseI think in the end,
  • 00:17:20.652 --> 00:17:22.788
  • perseverance and wewant to persevere
  • 00:17:22.788 --> 00:17:25.457
  • and endure over the long haul
  • 00:17:25.457 --> 00:17:27.159
  • and that's why rest is critical
  • 00:17:27.159 --> 00:17:29.795
  • that we pursue it.- Yeah.
  • 00:17:29.795 --> 00:17:30.963
  • - What do you think Lisa?
  • 00:17:30.963 --> 00:17:32.531
  • - Well, I think youwere very gracious
  • 00:17:32.531 --> 00:17:33.999
  • to say we stumbled into it
  • 00:17:33.999 --> 00:17:35.901
  • because I think I did aheadfirst belly flop into it.
  • 00:17:35.901 --> 00:17:39.404
  • Chris is one of my closestfriends in the whole world
  • 00:17:40.906 --> 00:17:43.642
  • and we have verydifferent hair color
  • 00:17:43.642 --> 00:17:45.477
  • and totally differentmetabolisms,
  • 00:17:45.477 --> 00:17:47.546
  • but I think if you couldpry our ribs apart,
  • 00:17:47.546 --> 00:17:50.149
  • you would see that ourhearts have similar shapes
  • 00:17:50.149 --> 00:17:53.452
  • because we have suchsimilar backgrounds.
  • 00:17:53.452 --> 00:17:55.320
  • There's a lot of abuseand molestation inmy background too.
  • 00:17:55.320 --> 00:17:59.458
  • Came to Christ at an early age,
  • 00:17:59.458 --> 00:18:01.760
  • but I didn't thinkGod liked me very much
  • 00:18:01.760 --> 00:18:04.997
  • and so I thought theonly way I could continue
  • 00:18:04.997 --> 00:18:07.900
  • to earn God's love thatI knew I didn't deserve
  • 00:18:07.900 --> 00:18:11.336
  • was to work hard andso for the first,
  • 00:18:11.336 --> 00:18:14.940
  • I don't know, 30years of my life,
  • 00:18:14.940 --> 00:18:16.875
  • I, like Chris,
  • 00:18:16.875 --> 00:18:18.143
  • went into youth ministryright out of undergrad.
  • 00:18:18.143 --> 00:18:20.712
  • My worth was completelytied to my work
  • 00:18:20.712 --> 00:18:25.350
  • and so I thought if Iwasn't being productive,
  • 00:18:25.350 --> 00:18:28.020
  • there is no way Godwould be delighted in me,
  • 00:18:28.020 --> 00:18:31.623
  • that I would be accepted
  • 00:18:31.623 --> 00:18:33.559
  • and it took a hard crash
  • 00:18:33.559 --> 00:18:37.496
  • for me to actuallybegin to hear God.
  • 00:18:37.496 --> 00:18:41.300
  • I think it's interestingthat Psalm 23, you know,
  • 00:18:41.300 --> 00:18:44.169
  • that Psalm that we almostalways associate with rest.
  • 00:18:44.169 --> 00:18:47.573
  • In the beginning there'sa disciplinary measure
  • 00:18:47.573 --> 00:18:51.710
  • because Jesus says,
  • 00:18:51.710 --> 00:18:53.745
  • David is of coursewriting the song
  • 00:18:53.745 --> 00:18:56.114
  • and he says,
  • 00:18:56.114 --> 00:18:57.015
  • he talked about Jesus,
  • 00:18:57.015 --> 00:18:58.984
  • the good shepherd,
  • 00:18:58.984 --> 00:19:00.219
  • He makes us lie downin green pastures.
  • 00:19:00.219 --> 00:19:04.723
  • So, sometimes there's amerciful forcing us to rest
  • 00:19:04.723 --> 00:19:08.794
  • and that's what God did for me.
  • 00:19:08.794 --> 00:19:10.829
  • I had a breakdown too
  • 00:19:10.829 --> 00:19:13.065
  • and I realized that Iwas running so hard,
  • 00:19:13.065 --> 00:19:16.401
  • but the motive of my heartwas based in guilt and shame.
  • 00:19:16.401 --> 00:19:20.339
  • I thought if I didn't run hard,
  • 00:19:20.339 --> 00:19:22.074
  • God wouldn't be pleased with me
  • 00:19:22.074 --> 00:19:23.775
  • and so it took a lot of healing,
  • 00:19:23.775 --> 00:19:26.078
  • it took a lot of dealingwith the motive of my heart.
  • 00:19:26.078 --> 00:19:30.215
  • So now, you know at 57,
  • 00:19:30.215 --> 00:19:32.918
  • the pace of my life isprobably as fast as it was
  • 00:19:32.918 --> 00:19:37.222
  • when I was in my twenties,
  • 00:19:37.222 --> 00:19:38.690
  • but the posture of myheart is totally different
  • 00:19:38.690 --> 00:19:41.793
  • because my worth is not astied to my work anymore.
  • 00:19:43.228 --> 00:19:47.699
  • I was reading,
  • 00:19:48.300 --> 00:19:49.701
  • we all said we lovethe dead theologians
  • 00:19:49.701 --> 00:19:52.204
  • and one of my favoritesis Bernard of Clairvaux
  • 00:19:52.204 --> 00:19:56.174
  • and he said this,
  • 00:19:56.174 --> 00:19:57.476
  • he said that "ourcapacity for quietness
  • 00:19:57.476 --> 00:20:01.380
  • as it increases Godinitiates the conversation,
  • 00:20:01.380 --> 00:20:05.684
  • stirring within peoplea response to Him"
  • 00:20:05.684 --> 00:20:09.288
  • and it reminded me of whatGod has done in my heart.
  • 00:20:09.288 --> 00:20:14.293
  • It's actually, He'skinda turned up the dial
  • 00:20:15.460 --> 00:20:18.930
  • of my hearing His voice.
  • 00:20:18.930 --> 00:20:21.333
  • When I brought Missyhome from Haiti,
  • 00:20:21.333 --> 00:20:23.869
  • it's the first timeI'd ever messed with,
  • 00:20:23.869 --> 00:20:25.604
  • I don't know if youcall it the fader
  • 00:20:25.604 --> 00:20:26.905
  • or the balance inyour car sound system,
  • 00:20:26.905 --> 00:20:30.042
  • but I turn the frontspeakers all the way down,
  • 00:20:30.042 --> 00:20:33.745
  • so that instead of hearingthe music out of the speakers
  • 00:20:33.745 --> 00:20:36.715
  • or podcast, I could hearMissy's voice in her car seat
  • 00:20:36.715 --> 00:20:41.019
  • 'cause I just, I couldn'tbelieve I was a mom
  • 00:20:41.019 --> 00:20:43.255
  • and Missy's voice stillsounds like music to me.
  • 00:20:43.255 --> 00:20:46.258
  • I loved hearing her voice overthe other noise in the car
  • 00:20:46.258 --> 00:20:50.962
  • and that's what God hasdone for me through renewal,
  • 00:20:50.962 --> 00:20:55.434
  • through the rhythm of learning
  • 00:20:55.434 --> 00:20:57.769
  • how to slow down in my spirit,
  • 00:20:57.769 --> 00:20:59.604
  • if not literally with my body,
  • 00:20:59.604 --> 00:21:01.707
  • as I feel like He has kindof turned down the chaotic,
  • 00:21:01.707 --> 00:21:06.345
  • as you said Holly,
  • 00:21:06.345 --> 00:21:07.913
  • noise of the rest of life
  • 00:21:07.913 --> 00:21:10.682
  • and He's turned up theHoly Spirit's voice
  • 00:21:10.682 --> 00:21:14.019
  • in my mind,
  • 00:21:14.019 --> 00:21:15.487
  • in my heart and I feellike my spiritual hearing
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  • as I hear God louder,
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  • that is absolutelyrelated to my healing,
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  • my emotional healing,
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  • my spiritual healingis directly related
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  • to how loud I hear God's voice.
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  • That's the rest I'vefound in my spirit.
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  • - I love that Lisa,
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  • I love that, you know,
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  • turning down this volume
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  • to turn up the voiceof the Holy Spirit
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  • and I think a lot of why we'reeven doing this whole series
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  • is what we're all gonna discover
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  • is that place ofsilence and solitude
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  • is where we are mostformed like Christ,
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  • which is the goal,
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  • that's why we actually are here,
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  • it's not even abouthow much we do
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  • and I'm hesitating saying this
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  • because some people arelooking for an excuse
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  • to say it's got nothing todo with how much you do.
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  • When we will bestanding before the Lord
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  • and I wanna hear,
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  • well done good andfaithful servant,
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  • so there is ameasure of well done.
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  • So, it is also,
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  • it's got nothing todo with our salvation,
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  • but it's got to do withour eternal rewards.
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  • I want to do what God hasput me on this earth to do
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  • and I wanna do thatunapologetically
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  • and it's almost likepost reformation,
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  • you almost have toapologize to make sure
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  • that everyone knowsI'm not talking
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  • about salvation by works,
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  • but I do wanna say that wewill stand before the Lord,
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  • we will give an account forwhat we've done on this earth.
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  • I want to hear,
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  • well done good andfaithful servant.
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  • I wanna have a few crownsto cast before His throne
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  • and I do want eternal rewards,
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  • so if you don't wantthem knock yourself out.
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  • So, there is that side as well,
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  • so I want that,
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  • but how I will accomplishthat is by becoming more
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  • and more conformedand transformed tothe image of Christ,
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  • which happens often inthat place of silence
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  • and solitude and rest,
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  • where I can hear His voice,
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  • where I can be formed bythe Holy Spirit of God
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  • and so out of,
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  • so I labor to getinto that place.
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  • So, for me it's laboring,
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  • I labor for silence and solitude
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  • to enter into that place of rest
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  • and most of what I dothat people think is labor
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  • is laboring from rest,
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  • so they wonder,
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  • why are you so happy?
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  • Why do you still?
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  • You're 54, still gota glint in your eye,
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  • a little bit cheeky,
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  • you still love God,
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  • you're still pretty,
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  • not complicated and simple,
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  • like I'm not hopefullycarrying bitterness
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  • or offense or hurt,
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  • you're not gonna see me onsocial media yelling at anyone.
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  • I'm just like, I love God,
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  • love people, knockyourselves out,
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  • I just wanna love God
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  • and so to be able to do that
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  • and have a bit of aprofile 30 years on
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  • in following Jesus can only come
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  • when you've labored toenter into that rest,
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  • so from that rest,
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  • you could just laborand so I want to pray
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  • for everyone out there today
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  • that has this sense of dis ease
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  • in your heart and your spirit.
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  • I wanna pray thatthe peace of God
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  • that surpasses all understandingwill guard your heart.
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  • So, Father I thank you
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  • that the only thingyou tell us to do
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  • is to labor froma place of rest.
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  • So, I pray that everyperson on the other side
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  • of the screen right now Lord,
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  • would have an ease intheir heart to enter
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  • into that place of rest in you
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  • and from that placeof rest in you
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  • will actually labor andproduce greater fruit
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  • than they've everproduced in their life,
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  • empowered by your Spirit Ipray in Jesus name, amen amen.
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  • - We sure hope that youhave heard the heart
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  • of our message this weekand that is that real rest
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  • is found only in theunconditional love of God.
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  • Leaning into God's love for you.
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  • If there is anythingin your life right now
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  • that you feel likeis keeping you
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  • or thwarting you fromleaning into God's love,
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  • would you please share thatwith us on social media?
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  • Because our BetterTogether team is for you
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  • and it is our honor andour joy to pray with you
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  • and we'd love to pray that thosethings that are keeping you
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  • from resting in God,
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  • to just pray those away fromyour life in the name of Jesus.
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  • Thank you so muchfor joining us today.
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  • We know it's a bigdeal that you choose
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  • to turn that channel to usor that iPhone into the app,
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  • that y'all imagine whatwould have happened
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  • if Jesus had been in a hurry,
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  • would He have walkedby the blind man
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  • too busy to hear his cry?
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  • Would He have brushedoff that woman
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  • with the issue of blood?
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  • Never, Jesus' entireministry was a model
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  • for an unhurried life.
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  • He always stopped for the onewho was right in front of Him.
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  • Tomorrow, we're gonna talk
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  • about creatingmargin for miracles.
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  • Actually seeing the people
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  • that God has placedin front of us
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  • and we will see you then.
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  • (uplifting music)
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