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  • (bright upbeat music)
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  • - The American Center for Lawand Justice has just launched
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  • a brand new SchoolChoice Initiative.
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  • We'll talk about ittoday on the broadcast.
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  • We are very excited toannounce a new ACLJ initiative,
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  • a new ACLJ program.
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  • It's what we've worked on foryears, decades at the ACLJ
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  • which is school choicecases at the Supreme Court
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  • and in the courts.
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  • In fact, I'm holdinga brief right now
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  • that we filed and a case
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  • that is pending before theUS Supreme Court right now,
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  • on school choice.
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  • It's the Espinosa case, weshould get a decision on that
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  • very soon from the SupremeCourt, we filed this case.
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  • So again, it's not something
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  • we are just brand new to.
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  • and the need for police reform,
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  • and Tim Scott's, SenatorScott's Justice Act
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  • that we've been supporting,
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  • we wanted to look at kindof this whole approach
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  • of what the ACLJ could do,
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  • as an initiativeto really assist
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  • what we believeis most important,
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  • and what people likeSenator Scott also believe,
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  • is so important,
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  • as he said to the WallStreet Journal,
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  • Senator Scott said,"In our society,
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  • "we spend so much timeon the root causes,
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  • "the disadvantagesthat we forget
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  • "to talk about the solutions
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  • "and the advantage that we haveover the rest of the world."
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  • Advancement he believescomes through education,
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  • is absolutely essential thatwe have quality education
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  • in every zip code,
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  • especially the poorestzip codes in America.
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  • That is the path forward.
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  • So you don't justimmediately address
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  • like the police reform problem,
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  • though you certainlyaddress that,
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  • but you have to look atthe bigger issues as well.
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  • Let me go to Thann Bennettin Washington DC,
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  • because Thann, this isan initiative from the ACLJ,
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  • we're all very excitedabout, because it's about
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  • these justice and equalityissues that have been
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  • so much debated and discussed
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  • that people havegotten excited about
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  • over and over and having
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  • these conversationsover the past few weeks.
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  • But we wanted to say,
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  • "Hey, what could we dosubstantively at the ACLJ?"
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  • And this is something wecould do substantively.
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  • - Absolutely, Jordan,and one of the things
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  • you're gonna hear from parents
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  • the most frequently, I knowyou can relate to this,
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  • I can relate to this, asa parent wants to provide
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  • a better opportunityfor their child
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  • than maybe they had in Jordan,
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  • the opportunity to get aneducation that is better
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  • than they had would beat the top of that list.
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  • For so long, that just hasnot been the case for parents
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  • of children residing inlow income districts.
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  • And look, we understandthat many of these decisions
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  • are made on a localand state level
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  • and probably appropriately so.
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  • But Jordan, whenyou have a situation
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  • where the poorestamong us cannot afford
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  • or do not have the opportunityto get the education
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  • as those who live in zipcodes that are more affluent
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  • that has got tochange their ways,
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  • the federal governmentcan support it.
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  • Yes, most of those decisionswill still reside on the state
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  • and local level.
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  • But Senator Scottis 100% correct.
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  • It should not matterwhich zip code a child
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  • is born in, in theUnited States of America,
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  • the parents should still havethe opportunity to make sure
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  • that, that child gets theeducation they deserve during...
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  • There are a lot of ways
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  • that we canaccomplish that goal.
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  • - We'll be right back withmore of our discussion.
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  • But what we're doingright now at the ACLJ,
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  • we're back on the broadcast.
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  • (bright upbeat music)
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  • So help me God now underattack in federal court.
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  • (bright upbeat music)
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  • Let me paint thispicture for you.
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  • Atheist, they have theright to be under our laws,
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  • the United States tobelieve or not believe
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  • and practice faithor no faith at all.
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  • And we respect that in theUnited States of America.
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  • But we also have, thecitizenship ceremonies
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  • where you take anoath of allegiance
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  • to the United States, and theoath ends with so help me God.
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  • So there's someonefor France immigrating
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  • to the United States, theyare becoming US citizen,
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  • they have to go throughthis final ceremony
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  • where they take thatoath, and they object to,
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  • so help me God.
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  • Now did the federal governmentsay, "Oh, if you don't say
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  • "that you're not gonnabecome a citizen?"
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  • No.
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  • They gave them two options.
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  • They said theycould just not say
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  • that part when others did it
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  • or they could do a separateceremony, two options.
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  • Was it good enoughfor that atheist
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  • who was lookingfor a court battle?
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  • Absolutely not, and theyhave lost at both stages.
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  • That's good news.
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  • We're watching it veryclosely at the American Center
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  • for Law and Justice, tosee if this gets appealed
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  • to the Supreme Court.
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  • We've been successful.
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  • At the state level, locallevel, federal level
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  • in defending theseacknowledgments
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  • of our Judeo Christianheritage in the United States,
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  • but we're watchingvery carefully here
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  • to see if this case makesits way to the Supreme Court,
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  • so if we need tostep in, we can.
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  • So in times, again, whereyou could be distracted
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  • from many issues happeningacross the United States
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  • is dealing with, these casesare still moving forward
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  • in federal court.
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  • And we will alwaysbe there to defend
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  • our Judeo Christian heritage
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  • at the American Centerfor Law and Justice.
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  • Folks, welcome backto Jay Sekulow Live
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  • this is Jordan Sekulow.
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  • If you're just joining us,
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  • let me just say weare very excited
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  • to announce the brand newSchool Choice Initiative
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  • from the American Centerfor Law and Justice.
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  • The initial blog announcingthis by Harry Hutchinson
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  • it's called Advancing Justiceby expanding school choice.
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  • Harry is joining us now.
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  • Harry, he is frequentlyon the broadcast
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  • also kind of overseesour law and policy team
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  • as a senior attorney, formerlaw professor as well.
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  • Harry great have youon the broadcast today?
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  • - Well, thanks, Jordan.
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  • It's my pleasure to be with you.
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  • And I would say first off,
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  • that it is high time tomake public school leaders
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  • and heads of teachersunions uncomfortable
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  • by unleashing real justicein the form of school choice.
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  • While the world has becomeconvulsed by focusing
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  • on removing monuments, let'sbuild a monumental movement
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  • that delivers accountability,
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  • improved educationalperformance, improvedsafety for first
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  • and second gradersthrough school choice.
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  • As I said before, it istime for affirmative action
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  • for public school children,rather than focusing
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  • on whether for instance,Yale University,
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  • named after a famed slavetrader changes its name
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  • to something morePolitically Correct.
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  • It is time to move beyondsymbols and symbolic reform
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  • to advance school choice.
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  • And if not now,when, if not us who?
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  • - What we're alsogonna be doing Harry,
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  • which I think is importantbecause the goal of this,
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  • of our initiative is touse this as a vehicle
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  • to obtain justice for allof Americans children,
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  • including the least among us,
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  • with the debates that havebeen raging across the country
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  • And the police reformwhich we support
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  • through Senator Scott, andthat reform the Justice Act,
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  • but even Harry,Senator Scott said,
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  • "The key is really education."
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  • Getting the poorest kidsaccess to the best education
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  • and middle class kids as well,
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  • whose parents maynot normally be able
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  • to afford a private school,
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  • whether it's a private school,religious private school,
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  • or charter school or justa different public school.
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  • The goal here is to reallyput forward information
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  • that States can use,
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  • whether it's draft legislationto start these programs,
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  • and also begin pointingout the barriers
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  • that have been put inplace as you noted,
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  • by the left, in some stateswhich have completely tried
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  • to do away withschool choice entirely
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  • like the State of Michigan.
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  • But Harry, really thegoal here is justice
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  • for all of America's children.
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  • We believe this is the righttime, we've been engaged
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  • to this issue fordecades at the ACLJ
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  • but this is the right time
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  • to start a grassrootslegal movement around.
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  • - Absolutely, so manypeople rightly asked
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  • the following question, "Isthe stunning malfeasance
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  • "of public schoolsin many cities,
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  • "whether or not thatconstitutes a deliberate,
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  • "intentional andpremeditated effort
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  • "to sabotage the lives ofpoor and minority kids?"
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  • In my view, aftermore than 70 years
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  • of educational malpracticeby progressive leaders,
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  • we must answer thisparticular question
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  • with the following response.
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  • (speaking in foreign language)
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  • That is the thingspeaks for itself.
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  • So if you look back the history
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  • of the United States fromaround 1950 to 1960 on,
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  • public school education,
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  • particularly inminority communities
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  • has declined at anexponential rate.
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  • And it is ply.
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  • We are now pushing schoolchoice because we need
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  • to put pressure on publicschools by providing competition
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  • by making public schoolleaders more accountable
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  • to the individuals who live
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  • in every single zipcode in America.
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  • And so I think that'swhy it's really important
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  • for our listenersto engage with us
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  • as we launch the ACLJSchool Choice Initiative.
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  • - But Harry, the truthis, as you pointed out,
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  • it's less than themajority of states
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  • in the country don'treally have these programs.
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  • - Absolutely, and theseprograms are not available
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  • to a majority ofstudents, even in states
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  • that have these programs.
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  • So it's very, veryimperative to expand access
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  • to these choice programs.
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  • And so if you actuallylook back at history,
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  • public schools usedto be accountable
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  • to the communities they serve.
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  • So if you look back atthe public school system
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  • in Washington, DC, in 1899,
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  • there were four academicpublic high schools,
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  • one black and three white.
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  • In standardized test scoresgiven an 1899 students
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  • in the black high schoolsaverage higher test scores
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  • than students in two ofthe three white schools,
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  • this patternprevailed until 1955.
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  • But things havechanged and that's why
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  • we need school choice now.
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  • - We'll be right back withmore of our discussion.
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  • But what we're doingright now at the ACLJ,
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  • we're back on the broadcast.
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  • (bright upbeat music)
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  • - Thanks to yoursupport of the ACLJ,
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  • we have had many victories.
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  • - The IRS now are formallyapologizing to Tea Party groups.
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  • - The IRS did the rightthing by resolving the case
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  • with an injunction thatmandated a complete change
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  • of the IRS nonprofittax exempt work
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  • as relates to issueadvocacy organization.
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  • - If any group feels thatthey're being targeted,
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  • they can go to federalcourt and bring our case.
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  • That's a victory.
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  • - We had an organizationthat believed in our claim.
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  • They knew that we wereright and they were going
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  • to help navigate that process
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  • to help us achievesuccess, and they did.
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  • - For the most significantwins in the ACLJ's history
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  • to take on the IRS and when--
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  • - For more than 27 yearsthe ACLJ has been fighting
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  • for freedom and libertyin the United States
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  • and around the globe.(crowd shouting)
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  • - These are young peoplein their 20s and 30s
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  • that are doing this,are fighting for life
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  • at a whole new level to beatback the abortion juggernaut.
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  • We've got a wholegroup of young boys
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  • that are defending them.
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  • - Those of us thatbelieve in life,
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  • know that we're on theright side of history,
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  • we understand full well,children are children,
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  • and they're preciousin God's sight
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  • and the preciousinformation side
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  • in the precious to parents.
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  • - We have to not justsay that we are pro-life,
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  • we have to actually be pro-life.
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  • We have to get uncomfortableto do everything
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  • we can to promotea culture of life.
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  • - And I actuallythink we're winning.
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  • This is one of the socialissues we're winning.
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  • - We have to be cognizantof the fact that globally,
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  • persecution is as alive andwell as it has ever been.
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  • - The level of persecutionis on the rise.
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  • It's being reported more.
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  • - We're talking about situations
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  • where people are put in jail,
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  • threatened with death,
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  • or life imprisonment, simplybecause of who they are,
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  • and what they believe.
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  • - For the releaseof Andrew Brunson.
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  • He is The American evangelicalfrom North Carolina
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  • held in Turkey formore than two years.
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  • - They're rushingus to the airport,
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  • and there was an AirForce plane that came
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  • from Germany thathad been on standby.
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  • We're flying and they finallyleft Turkish airspace.
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  • It's like, okay.
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  • Now we're really out ofTurkey, and free again.
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  • - We're grateful to ACLJ, whoput it out to these people,
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  • they were getting all this out.
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  • - All of the people whopray for us through ACLJ
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  • and through your contacts,
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  • I'm thankful I'm grateful
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  • and actually, I'm astounded.
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  • - We need your help aswe continue this work
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  • here in the United Statesand around the world.
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  • (bright upbeat music)
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  • - They gave us a voice,they stood up for us,
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  • they fought for us.
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  • (bright upbeat music)
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  • - Our job as lawyers was tomake sure our clients were able
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  • to communicate theirmessage of life.
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  • (bright upbeat music)
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  • - It was an amazingthing to be convicted
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  • and a day later I'mback in the states
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  • with my family andthe whole house.
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  • (bright upbeat music)
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  • - Welcome back toJay Sekulow Live.
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  • So the ACLJ launchingour brand new,
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  • School Choice Initiative.
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  • And we're talking toHarry Hutchison right now
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  • who had been, of courseon the broadcast with us.
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  • Harry, I wanna play SpeakerNancy Pelosi, because I think
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  • this is important foreverybody listening right now,
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  • to share this informationwith your friends and family
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  • about this SchoolChoice Initiative,
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  • share the blog that Harry wrote,
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  • because if you havefriends and family,
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  • co-workers who have beeninterested in this kind
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  • of new discussion on equalityin America and police reform
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  • and justice and equality inthe debate that's happening,
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  • this is key to it.
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  • And even Nancy Pelosihas admitted how bad
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  • many of these schools areand how rough they are.
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  • Take a listen, thisis Nancy Pelosi.
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  • This year, in a pressconference bite number five,
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  • - I talk to those children.
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  • And we say, "Educationis important."
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  • We send them a mixed message
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  • when we send a message thateducation is important,
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  • and then we send them to aschool that is dilapidated.
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  • That is not wiredfor the future.
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  • This is so important.
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  • Why aren't you respecting me,a student by having facilities
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  • that are worthy of it.
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  • - Now, I wanna go rightto Harry Hutchison
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  • because Harry what I'm sureNancy Pelosi would not agree
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  • with our positions on this
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  • because she would wantjust more money to prop up
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  • these public schools.
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  • But as you point out inyour new blog on this,
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  • Advancing Justice byexpanding school choice,
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  • over the past 50 yearsfunding increases
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  • have culminated in the US,leading the world
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  • in per capitaeducation expenditures,
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  • and yet Nancy Pelosistill talks about
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  • the dilapidated publicschools in America?
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  • - Absolutely, so one of theclear things to keep in mind
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  • is that when we talkabout increasing funding
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  • for public education in America,
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  • generally that meansincreasing funding
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  • for administrative staff
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  • and administrators ratherthan delivering funding
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  • and increased performancein the classroom.
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  • All Americans have a stakein improving education
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  • in the United States.
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  • And to be clear,this festering wound
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  • caused by underperformingschools endures
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  • despite as you point out Jordan,
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  • significant funding increases
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  • for public educationthroughout the nation.
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  • But it's importantto keep in mind
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  • that not withstanding the fact
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  • that per capitaexpenditures on education
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  • in the United Statesexceed every single country
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  • in the world, ourperformance lags,
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  • in part because there'sa negative correlation
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  • between increasingpublic school funding
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  • and actual performance
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  • because we are notfocused on students.
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  • So little has changed in theneighborhoods at the center
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  • of the disruptions that havecharacterized most major urban
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  • areas over the lastseveral months.
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  • But keep in mind, thisrepresents the abysmal record
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  • under largely progressiveeducational leadership.
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  • But something needs to changeand it needs to change now.
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  • So that we can improvestudent safety,
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  • improve parental satisfaction
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  • and involvement andsee improvements ingraduation rates,
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  • make public schools moreaccountable through competition
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  • and save taxpayers dollarsat the end of the day.
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  • - Eileen calling from NewJersey, on line three,
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  • Eileen Welcome to Jay SekulowLive, you're on the air.
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  • - I'm a public school teacher.
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  • And I think that absentthe discussion very often
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  • is the erosion of the family.
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  • - Yeah.
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  • - And, we've talkedabout education,
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  • as in the shape of a triangle,
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  • and you need all threeparts for it to work
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  • you need the parents,the students,
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  • and the teacher tobe on the same page
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  • and working in conjunctionwith one another.
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  • But it is theerosion as a family.
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  • I mean, after this virtual stuff
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  • that I've just beenthrough, it's amazing.
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  • I ended up workingone-on-one with several
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  • of the students becauseI didn't have the support
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  • at home to do it.
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  • I was on the computerfor hours, hours.
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  • And right now it justwas on my heart to do it.
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  • I'm tutoring a studentfree of charge.
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  • I'm having a book club
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  • with other studentsduring the summer months.
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  • So I think it is theerosion of the family
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  • and the lack ofparental support.
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  • Disdain for authority andturning away from faith
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  • and mass, all of this.
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  • So when you talkabout failing schools,
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  • please don't just saythat it's the teachers
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  • and the administrators, please.
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  • - Though, and I thinkwhen we say teachers,
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  • I think specificHarry and Eileen,
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  • I really appreciate yourcall and your insight,
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  • I think one, you'rean example of one
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  • of those great teachersout there who is,
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  • and I'm not sayingthere's not a lot
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  • of great public school teacherswho are trying their best
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  • doing everything theycan possible withthis difficult time.
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  • They tried to do the onlineclasses with students
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  • who didn't even havethe technologicalresources to do it.
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  • And then they don't havethe parental support.
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  • But Harry, reallywhat's important to this
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  • is that when wetalk about teachers,
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  • we're talking aboutteachers unions
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  • trying to preventthis specifically.
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  • - I think the caller iscertainly onto something,
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  • something that Daniel PatrickMoynihan pointed out in 1965,
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  • but it's also important again,
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  • to lay blame at progressiveleaders for at least part
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  • of the problem associatedwith the disintegration
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  • of the American family.
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  • This has been part and parcel,
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  • I think of a deliberate program
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  • initiated by progressiveleaders going back to the 1960s
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  • that has seen thedisintegration of the family.
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  • So the disintegrationof the family,
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  • the disintegrationof performance
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  • with respect to publicschools in America
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  • are definitely linked.
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  • But right now we cando something at least
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  • about improvingeducational performance
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  • through school choice.
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  • - And Thann, I mean, youpoint out to that the idea
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  • that when you take awayany choice from parents
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  • that basically your kids
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  • or for most parents out therecan't afford private school,
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  • so the only optionis public schools,
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  • they're also muchmore disinterested.
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  • They think that the school
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  • then should just handle allof it, and handle everything.
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  • - Yeah I loveEoleen's call, Jordan,
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  • because look for solong the government
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  • has told parents,"You have no role
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  • "in your students, yourchild's education."
  • 00:20:43.205 --> 00:20:45.407
  • And so parents have takenthe message by stepping back.
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  • Eileen is absolutelycorrect that parents need
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  • to step back forward.
  • 00:20:50.545 --> 00:20:51.980
  • But Jordan, public policyhas a role in that,
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  • public policy needs to return
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  • some of that authorityto the parents
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  • so that they actuallyhave a choice to make
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  • when they decide to engagefor their child's education.
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  • - Libna calling fromNew York, on line three,
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  • Libna, thanks for holdingon, you're on the air.
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  • - Thank you so muchfor this initiative.
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  • I am a veteran teacherin New York City
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  • and this is an answer to prayer.
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  • Earlier you were talking
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  • about how the unionsoppose school choice,
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  • I can tell you as a publicschool teacher in New York City,
  • 00:21:18.073 --> 00:21:21.209
  • that is absolutely true.
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  • What we constantlyhear from the union
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  • is that if there ismore school choice
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  • and parents have theoptions to send their kids
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  • to more charter schools,
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  • we will end up teaching thebottom of the barrel kids.
  • 00:21:33.188 --> 00:21:35.891
  • - So do you think though,
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  • why would thoseparents whose kids
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  • are struggling themost not also decide
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  • to send their kids to schools
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  • that were more helpfulmaybe with kids
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  • who had learning disabilitiesor needed more attention?
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  • - In the public schoolsystem in New York City,
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  • what we find is thatwe do get kids back
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  • from the charter schools,
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  • it's a trend that kind ofhappens, if they are unable
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  • to per se meettheir special needs,
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  • and maybe the publicschool system has a program
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  • that is more in-tunewith their needs.
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  • However, the biggest problem
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  • in general is thisoverpopulation.
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  • The class size is overwhelming.
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  • And if parents had moreof that school choice
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  • that would actuallyreduce class size
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  • in our needy public schools,
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  • and perhaps we couldhone in and focus more
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  • on the needs of the population
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  • that we serve.- But again there's a great
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  • point there, you said, youas a public school teacher,
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  • you say, "Listen that ifwe had more school choice,
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  • "we'll be able tofocus more on the kids
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  • "who might have the uniquespecialized programs for,
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  • "that maybe the charterschools or the more
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  • "of these schools for likeAdvanced Placement schools,
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  • "those kind of thingsare not best for,
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  • "but we need to beable to work it."
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  • So it actually gives youand say this is important,
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  • Public Schools wouldhave greater flexibility
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  • to tailor their classes tothe students most at need
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  • of this, because theyhave so many resources,
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  • those public schools,
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  • but when they areoverrun with students,
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  • those resources go very quickly,
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  • and so they can'ttailor the programs
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  • to those who need it the most.
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  • - I actually think the pointthat callers make in Jordan
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  • is one of the strongest reasons
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  • to advocate for school choice.
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  • Look, there's ahuge pot of money
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  • that already comes outof the federal government
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  • for these purposes, about$68 billion in Jordan,
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  • by the way, $23 billioncomes out of title one
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  • which is supposed to help thesespecific low income schools,
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  • but they're so layerdown by mandates,
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  • they don't end upgiving the flexibility
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  • that the caller is talkingabout, its why one of the things
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  • that we're lookingat supporting Jordan,
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  • there's a piece of legislationcalled the A plus X,
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  • sponsored by Senator Danesand Congressman Walker,
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  • which would basically
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  • take that $23 billion andallow states to retailer it
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  • to the kind of flexibilitythat caller is talking about.
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  • You do need to maybereduce class size,
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  • you need to do need tothink about other ways
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  • to service those communities
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  • and creating a marketplacefor new schools.
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  • Jordan, how much freedomcould that $23 billion,
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  • if you allow the state toget out of the mandates
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  • and say, "This is our strategy,
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  • "we're gonna apply it to that."
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  • It would go a long way.
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  • - As always, let methank everybody at TBN
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  • for providing thistime to us at no cost
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  • important issues of the day.
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  • From all of us atthe ACLJ, thanks TBN.
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